Skip to main content

tv   Andrea Mitchell Reports  MSNBC  September 14, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PDT

9:00 am
i want the whole world to know, be no mistake about it that if my deputy clerks, they don't have my authority to issue any license whatsoever. and closing the gates. germany prepares to limit the flow of migrants as the barbed wire fence goes up in hungary. lester holt is reporting on this human tragedy. >> this child has just been brought across the border. she couldn't walk on her own. she looks flushed and dehydrated. and right now, no one can seem to find her mother or any of her family. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. in northern california, firefighters are losing ground to the most explosive and destructive wildfire of the season. so far, 10,000 people have had to evacuate. many with only minutes to escape.
9:01 am
>> this fire just moved like a runaway train. it ran right over everybody. >> this so-called valley fire burning north of san francisco has exploded in size. it now spans 61,000 acres in just the past 24 hours. one person is dead, four firefighters have now been taken to the hospital. at least 400 homes and businesses have been destroyed. its ao's one of a dozen wildfir raging across the state. gina, tell me what is the weather doing, what kind of relief can they get up there? >> reporter: well, you know, the prognosis for today isn't so good. i will get to that in just a moment. but i have covered a lot of fires being based out here on the west coast and this is definitely one of the worst that i have seen. that number that you just gave, over 400 homes and businesses just completely turned to ash like this apartment complex that i am at right now. well, that number is expected to
9:02 am
go up for sure later today, throughout the week, as crews are finally able to go up into the neighborhoods to assess the true damage. as you mentioned, there are 12 fires burning throughout california but this particular one burned so fast and furious that it took even firefighters by surprise, and drought, yes, absolutely. the drought that has been choking california absolutely played a role in this, with brush and land so dry that it was like tinder for the fire, just lit up like matches. firefighters even though one person has died, are actually surprised that more deaths weren't caused by this because people as you said literally had minutes to flee their homes with just the shirt on their backs and their animals in their arms. now, there are 1200 firefighters so far assigned to just this fire alone, and the national guard has now been deployed. andrea? >> and what about the weather situation, the conditions? i saw that there might be some
9:03 am
rain in the forecast. is that going to help or is that too little to really get -- provide any help for this kind of raging wildfire? >> reporter: yeah, well, we're inland so there is a little bit of rain forecast for the san francisco bay area which is about 100 miles south of us. not sure how much of that will reach up here. the temperatures are definitely cooler than they were over the weekend which is great news, but get this. we have 20 to 30 mile an hour winds expected for later this afternoon and that has firefighters bracing out here. >> thank you very much. kim davis, the county clerk in kentucky jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses for same sex couples is back at worth today, under threat of being re-jailed if she were to continue to defy the supreme court. this morning she said she will not personally authorize any marriage licenses but will not stop her deputies from issuing them if they choose to. davis turned a little bit emotional. >> i am no hero.
9:04 am
i'm just a person that's been transformed by the grace of god, who wants to work, be with my family. i just want to serve my neighbors quietly without violating my conscience. >> dave gutierrez is in morehead kentucky and here in washington, justice correspondent pete williams. gabe, i understand you are with a couple who did just get their license. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. good afternoon. as you mentioned, kim davis in that emotional statement this morning said she would not stop her deputy clerks from issuing those marriage licenses as long as her name and title were not on them. i'm joined by shannon and carmen from lexington. you two are the first couple to have received your license today. tell me how it went and how you're feeling right now. >> we're pretty excited. we learned early today it looked like they would be issuing them and kim davis wouldn't interfere. once we heard that, it's a big moment for us personally.
9:05 am
so we're just really happy. >> reporter: now, kim davis said this morning that even though she's allowing her clerks to issue these marriage licenses to same sex couples, she says they are not valid because the deputy clerks don't actually have the authority to do so. what do you think about your license? do you consider it valid? >> my license is valid. it's valid because of the court order in effect that the clerks are issuing the licenses. it doesn't have to have her signature for it to be valid for me. >> from what we heard from everybody except her attorneys, they will be seen as valid licenses. if that for some reason turns out not to be the case, we will come back. we are not going to obviously -- >> reporter: you two are from lexington. why was it important for you to come here and get this license? >> first of all, personally it was very important. we have been together for 20 years and when we got together, we never envisioned a day where we would be able to get legally married and certainly not in my hometown, supported by my family. so personally, it means a lot to
9:06 am
me to be able to do this here. but the other thing is having grown up in this community, i know first-hand that there are people who cannot come out and face this. their families are on the other side over there spouting hate and they can't face this media and this kind of attention because of who they are, and so we wanted to be able to stand up and show people that it's okay, that there are people who exist in this community that are lgbt home-grown, we are not shipped in from outside. >> we have so many allies in this town. >> yeah, there are supportive forces. i just want everybody to know that and see this the people in this community will stand up for everybody's rights. >> reporter: thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. we should mention that kim davis does have supporters here. they have been here since early this morning. they say that kim davis is doing her job. we should point out that the county attorney and governor's office has also said that the licenses that these deputy
9:07 am
clerks are issuing are valid. so that goes against what kim davis is saying, this legal battle at least from kim davis' attorney's point of view is far from over. andrea? >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much. pete, as a request of law, she may say that she is going to continuing to pursue this but in fact, the deputies are issuing -- the deputy clerks are issuing these licenses. the local authorities say they are valid. seems to me the case is over. she may be taking a stand to reassure her supporters, but in case of that county, it's over. >> in terms of the marriage licenses, kentucky law says deputy clerks can sign them. she's right, the form doesn't exactly conform to the state rules but if they are issued and they say issued pursuant to a federal court order, it seems likely they would be considered valid. the second is suppose they're not, who is going to sue? who's going to challenge them? it's almost impossible to conceive of a lawsuit, i suppose one spouse can sue the other, but other than that, it seems like they will be recognized as
9:08 am
valid. now, she still has a lawsuit. she is, you know, the couples sued her for failing to issue the license. that's what led to this court order. but she has a separate lawsuit against state officials for ordering her to issue these licenses after the supreme court decision in june. she wanted the judge to issue a preliminary order saying she didn't have to issue the license. the judges turned her down on that. these two cases are fwogoing to continue to work their way through. the underlying issue here has yet to go to trial, which is can a state official like her, county official, assert a religious objection to issuing same sex marriage licenses. her constitutional rights against those of the couples. that is yet to be decided. that's down the road. >> pete williams, glad to see you. thanks so much. >> you bet. a suspect in the fatal shooting of a kentucky state trooper was killed after an altercation with officers this morning. 31-year-old officer joseph
9:09 am
cameron ponder was shot on sunday night after a driver fled from a routine traffic stop. firing at the police cruiser after a brief chase. the 25-year-old suspect, joseph johnson shanks, was pronounced dead at a local hospital early this morning. >> shanks was armed with a firearm. he refused verbal commands from our troopers to lower his weapon. a trooper from the kentucky state police special response team shot mr. shanks. mr. shanks was then taken into custody after he was shot. >> nbc's kevin tibbles joins me now. what do we know about the circumstances of either the police officer, of course, being slain or of course, the suspect killed? >> reporter: well, trooper ponder had been on what the authorities are referring to as a routine traffic stop with joseph shanks when shanks apparently drove off in his car and a rather lengthy police pursuit did take place.
9:10 am
when shanks eventually stopped his car, a second time, that's when shots started being fired and the authorities are saying that shanks fired into ponder's police cruiser, hitting the hood, hitting the windshield and eventually hitting ponder and killing him. from that point, then shanks allegedly went into the wooded area and the police essentially sort of waited him out until the sun started to come up and as you've just heard, they say that he refused to put his weapon down and that was when he was shot and killed. trooper ponder turns out to be the 86th officer to lose his or her life in this country so far this year. >> another sad story all around. thank you so much. losing ground? a new poll shows that there's more trouble for hillary clinton with a key group of supporters. while bernie sanders continues his climb.
9:11 am
>> it is easy to go out and talk to people who agree with you. but it is harder, but not less important, for us to try and communicate with those who do not agree with us on every issue. >> bernie sanders at liberty university. and this from the intersection of entertainment and politics although i'm not sure there's any division between entertainment and politics anymore. nbc has just announced arnold schwarzenegger has been named the new host of nbc's "the celebrity apprentice." donald trump was removed as the host of the long-running hit show earlier this year. when he announced for president. the show will return to nbc for the 2016-2017 season. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it.
9:12 am
i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®. building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do. ♪ that's the value of performance. northrop grumman.
9:13 am
hey babe, last one home cooks? ♪ ♪ ♪ another tie. order in? next time i drive. the right-sized nissan rogue. ♪ i would kill for something sweet. i know... we could have one of those. one? are you kidding? we'll end up eating like thirty. wanna split that? ughhhh...no, so much fat. don't fight your instincts. with each each for 150 calories or less try our chocolatey brownies, tangy lemon bars, and new creamy cheesecakes. fiber one. go on, have one. the drought is affecting at pg&e we've definitely
9:14 am
put a focus on helping our agricultural customers through the drought. when they do an energy efficiency project and save that money they feel it right in their pocket book. it's exciting to help a customer with an energy efficiency project because not only are they saving energy but they are saving water. we have a lot of projects at pg&e that can help them with that and that's extremely important while we're in a drought. it's a win for the customer and it's a win for california. together, we're building a better california.
9:15 am
wre are work og breaking news. there is an active shooter on the campus of delta state in mississippi. the school is on lockdown. one victim has been transported to the hospital. unsure of the condition or the identity of the victim or whether the victim was a student. we will bring you more details as soon as we have them. turning to politics, bernie sanders today in an unusual venue. the long-time democratic socialist is speaking at virginia's liberty university. the conservative christian school founded by jerry falwell. >> the issues of abortion and gay marriage are issues that you feel very strongly about. we disagree on those issues. i get that. there are other issues out there
9:16 am
that are of enormous consequence to our country and in fact, to the entire world, that maybe, just maybe, we do not disagree on. and maybe, just maybe, we can try to work together to resolve them. >> this as a new "the washington post"/abc news poll shows hillary clinton keeping her national lead over senator sanders and vice president biden, still undeclared and undecided, but dropping with white women. a key group of supporters. joining me for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" fix blog and "wall street journal" political editor, jean cummings. let's talk about the "the washington post" poll. what is the significance? we have been seeing polls bounce around all weekend but this is
9:17 am
within the trend lines of what we have seen in the past, the division between hillary clinton and bernie sanders nationally. >> yeah. her numbers have dropped, without question. she was at 63% in july of this summer, she's now at 42%. as you point out, 42 to 24 for bernie sanders to 21 for joe biden. but that can be read at 42 for hillary clinton, mid-40s for someone else. her trajectory lines are not good. majorities of people think she's not been honest and trustworthy about the e-mail issue, that she's not sort of operating within government regulations on the e-mail issue. there's a lot there that's not good. yes, she is ahead nationally and that is something that still does matter, but lot of data out there in iowa, particularly new hampshire, that suggests sanders making a lot of ground up. if you are joe biden and you look through our poll today, it's hard not to see an opening of some sort. i'm not sure it's an opening to
9:18 am
win but she's certainly at, if not her lowest ebb, close to it in this race. >> she's going to be doing a women's event in iowa. she is clearly trying to shore up her base, yet story after story keeps coming out returning people's attention. certainly the news media's attention to the e-mail issue. the most recent was "the washington post" saying that server may not have been quote, wiped clean. it may have just been the deletion of the old e-mails. presumably there could be some way for the fbi to restore those so-called personal e-mails and see whether there was any business related or benghazi related or congressional oversight related e-mails that were taken out. >> in some ways that might be -- that might work to her advantage. if the fbi or some independent organization now looks, takes a look at those e-mails that she deleted or had deleted and say yes, they were all personal, that at least would clear her of that.
9:19 am
on the issue of white women, though, this is a very big issue. this is something we need to watch. >> this is her base. >> this is her base. and the campaign had built itself around the premise that she could bring in more women to make up for the growing number of white men who are voting republican now. and to try to add that to the coalition that supported obama. so that was part of their growth strategy and part of their base. so it's very important how she does there. >> we should also point out that the other thing that happened in the last couple of days is that the justice department filed with the court and according to state department guidelines, they are reflecting the state department guidelines that you are permitted and she was permitted to eliminate anything she wanted to. you are supposed to delete what you want to delete, then just archive what you consider official. that is within the purview of every state department employee and official, whatever the rules -- those are the rules as they have existed for quite some
9:20 am
time. let's talk about the republicans in your new poll. what are your big take-aways from what the republican race now looks like? it's still donald trump and ben carson, the outsiders. jeb bush has a real problem as to how do these critics and opponents of donald trump go after him when it only seems to inure to his benefit? >> great question. i wrote earlier this past week about how it's so hard to attack donald trump because he's not playing by the rules that everybody else plays with. he sort of changes the rules midway, changes what he said, refuses to apologize and nothing sort of hurts him. my big and maybe only take-away from that poll is 53% of republicans are for donald trump or ben carson, two people who have never, ever held office before. jeb bush, not in double digits. there's a big gap between donald trump, ben carson and everybody
9:21 am
else. i think that is absolutely stunning, a reflection, and you see this in other parts of the poll, reflection of how dissatisfied the public is with politicians, how much they want change, how they think experience in washington or experience in elected office generally is not hugely advantageous and in fact, may be disadvantageous. it is a very feisty sort of discontent republican electorate that donald trump and in a very different tonal way, ben carson are sort of appealing to in a way that none of all these other politicians with their impressive resumes are. >> a new monmouth poll among new hampshire republicans, the big caveat being that new hampshire voters decide really late, like the last 24 hours, and we are way, way ahead of ourselves here, but trump, 28%, carson, 17%, kasich at 11:%, ted cruz,
9:22 am
jeb bush and carli fiorina dropping in single digits. >> we are very far away. but to get an idea of how concerned the establishment is about donald trump is the club for growth is going to start a conservative, fiscally conservative group that was not going to weigh into the primary, they were just going to rank the candidates and their platforms, is announcing this week they are going on tv. now, we don't know who is financing this through the club for growth, but this is clearly the establishment on the way into the race. we expect those ads to be anti-trump ads. so i think that is the establishment putting its foot on the pedal. >> let's call it the empire strikes back. jean, chris, thank you both so much. border control. europe struggling to slow the flow of migrants. lester holt reports from the front lines, next.
9:23 am
>> i want to stay here. it's so difficult. it's very dangerous. they have a baby. it's very dangerous. >> too much people. coming from greece and serbia. too much people. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services - all with dedicated, responsive support. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you're free to focus on growing your business. centurylink. your link to what's next. welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like... my trusty bow.
9:24 am
and free of stuff i don't like. we only eat chex cereal. no artificial flavors, and it's gluten-free. mom, brian threw a ball in the house! i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization.
9:25 am
before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection, have had cancer, or if you develop any new skin growths. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems. these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you or anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. in a medical study, most stelara® patients saw at least 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. stelara® helps keep my skin clearer. ask your doctor about stelara®. ♪ [ female announcer ] everything kids touch at school sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. you handle life; clorox handles the germs. ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time,
9:26 am
3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. whether it's building the world's most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. at boeing, one thing never changes. our passion to make it real. ♪ breaking news on europe's migrant crisis. at this hour, hungarian police are blocking off the main crossing point used by migrants entering hungary from serbia. thousands of people have poured over that border in the past few weeks with the hopes, of course, to moving on to western europe. earlier today, lester holt was there as migrants were trying desperately to make their way in before it was too late. >> reporter: the crowd of migrants swelled at the train station sunday after rail service from aus trtria to germ
9:27 am
was temporarily halted. the decision came as migrants continue to come by sea. these migrants were lucky their dinghy sa dinghy sank so close to shore. others died after another sinking yesterday. meantime, migrants pour into hungary. this morning, helmeted army troops began amassing along a newly built razor wire fence. on sunday, this little girl collapsing in sickness, had to be carried across by a volunteer. where will you take her? this afghan teenager was separated from his family during the night. he has no money, only two eggs. two miles away, a squalid overrun and unofficial relief camp where there is food, water and medical aid. police are also there to take the migrants to government detention camps for processing. for this man, the alternative, returning his son to syria, is
9:28 am
too much to bear. >> the syrian war that has continued for years [ inaudible ]. >> they are not going to stop just because they reach a fence like this. they will find another way into europe. >> reporter: a way to a continent at its breaking point, but a place many now see as the promised land. the other part of this story that is important to pay attention to, many of these people who are seeking asylum may not be able to receive it. depending where they are coming from, what the circumstances are, so not all the people crossing truly fit the definition of refugees. they face the prospect of being turned around and sent back home. it's a very fluid situation. we will continue to watch. i will have a lot more tonight on "nbc nightly news." meantime, back to you. >> thanks, lester holt. of course, you can watch the latest from lester's reporting and the whole team from europe tonight on "nbc nightly news." now to an update on breaking news from delta state university
9:29 am
in mississippi. there is an active shooter, we are told. the school is on lockdown. the university has just confirmed that one person is dead. we do not know whether it's a student or someone else. they have tweeted for all on campus to stay inside, to stay away from windows. we will bring you more details as soon as we have them. just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. ♪ no sudden movements. ♪ google search: bodega beach house. ♪ ♪ have you touched the stuff?. it's evil. and ladders. sfx: [screams] they have all those warnings on 'em. might as well say... 'you're gonna die, jeff.' you hired someone to clean the gutters. not just someone. angie's list helped me find a highly rated service
9:30 am
provider to do the work at a fair price. ♪ everyone can shop, but members get more with reviews, live customer support, and better pricing. come see what the new angie's list can do for you.
9:31 am
i tried depend last weekend. it really made the difference between a morning around the house and getting a little exercise. only depend underwear has new confidence core technology for fast absorption and the smooth, comfortable fit of fit-flex™ protection. get a coupon at depend.com at ally bank no branches equals great rates.
9:32 am
it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping. donald trump is taking his political show to dallas. it's a warmup for wednesday night's big second republican debate. but the republican front-runner's repeated comments about immigration are under fire from another business leader. aol co-founder steve case. in "the washington post" this weekend he wrote in part, while we can all agree about the need to secure our borders and enforce our laws, trump's proposed solutions are too extreme and his language, too ca urgs stic. if we want to make america great again it is hard to imagine a more wrong-headed approach. steve case joins me now. he's chairman of both the case foundation and revolution. thank you very much. >> good to be back. >> tell me, what are republicans
9:33 am
whom you talked to, you know a lot of people, republican and democrat, what do you hear among republicans and party leaders and other business leaders about donald trump on immigration? >> well, i think everybody is a little surprised by how strong he came out in particularly his opening statements, calling people criminals and rapists. obviously there are 11 million people in this country who are not going to self-deport and load on buses and sent back. we need to figure out a reasonable way to include them in our society, include them in our economy and remember that immigration is just a problem to solve, but also an opportunity to seize if we will remain the most innovative entrepreneurial nation. 40% of our fortune 500 companies were started by immigrants. they are job creators as well. that aspect of it, understanding we are in a global battle for talent and immigration policy is going to separate the winners and losers in the next few decades globally, that part of the discussion needs more attention, i think. >> and in fact, when we talk about innovation, when we talk
9:34 am
about what's happening in silicon valley in past decades and how all of this has evolved, it's to immigrants and to people from all around the world whom we need to turn also for our own labor force. >> there are some jobs in farms and hotels that we need people to fill, but also, there are a lot of people who are creating the jobs. there's one example, a sad story that shows how problematic our policy is, there was a gentleman who graduated from wharton, same school donald trump went to, who was working here, wanted to stay here in 2008, was kicked out because he had visa issues, moved to india, and now has 5,000 employees. the 5,000 employees could have been in the united states but this guy who we brought here to give him a great education, then kicked him out, forcing him to create a company in another country that is creating jobs in that country instead of ours. i hear those stories all the time. that part of the debate doesn't get as much attention as it should. hopefully this week with the republican debate it will get
9:35 am
more attention and the discussion will shift from not talking as much about problems, but solutions and not just playing into people's fears but into their hopes. >> what is wrong with our politics this year that in both parties, we tend to be ignoring and i think the media plays a big role in this, we are ignoring some of the policy prescriptions from a number of candidates and just focusing on what people think is most entertaining. >> i guess it's early. i more view this through the prism of an entrepreneur, not a pundit or politician, so you understand these issues better than i. it seems like over the summer, the focus was more on personalities and generalities and i think, i hope as we get into the fall, get into the real election over the next year, it will be focused more on substance. what is the path forward to take a great nation and make it even better. the economic issues are critical, making sure we are creating jobs, making sure we are innovating, we are very entrepreneurial and the immigrant story is central to that. has been in the past, is today and will be in the future as
9:36 am
well. >> and briefly, as we begin the countdown to the end of the congressional session, how critical would it be to the overall economy if we have a government shutdown? >> i think it would be very problematic. hopefully we will avoid it. i think everybody understands the challenge of uncertainty. markets do not react well, businesses do not invest when there is that kind of uncertainty. hopefully people will come together. i saw this a couple years ago when the congress did come together to pass the jobs act to make it easier for entrepreneurs to get access to capital, done in a bipartisan way. we need more of that bipartisan action on issues like government shutdown and also issues like immigration reform. somehow, some way, we need to pass sensible immigration policies that we can seize this opportunity to continue to be the most innovative entrepreneurial nation. >> steve case, half of the partnership that is the case foundation, with both you and jean have done so much work. thank you very much for being here today. now back to our breaking news. an active shooter at delta state
9:37 am
university in mississippi. the school now confirming one person is dead. the campus remains on lockdown. they have orders, everyone on campus, to stay inside away from windows. state police and local police are all on campus. they have responded to this active shooter situation. former atf agent jim cavanaugh joins me by phone. what do we know about what the school is doing and what the situation is there? >> they are doing the right thing to tell everybody to secure in place, if you can escape immediately. what everybody should do is listen to what the police are saying via twitter, on facebook, on television, if you have to barricade, you want to be quiet, block the door, stay on your phone. maybe if you have a way to get out, if you have a way to escape and it's clear, you can do it. otherwise, barricade, don't let anybody come in unless you absolutely know it's law enforcement officers and you can do that in a variety of ways. you can ask them, you can call
9:38 am
911 and ask if it is the police. you can have them slide their identification under the door. you can hear their radios. don't open the door for anybody even if they say it's the police unless you are absolutely sure. the officers will get to the person quickly. they are practiced in this, they train in this. the city police in mississippi, they have good units there, and the university police. so everybody has to stay alert, stay on their game, get this guy secured so everybody can be through with it. >> basically, i know you know that region because you were in charge of it for so long, in terms of going, do they go door to door, building to building? what is the practice now? what are the best practices when you've got an active shooter? >> that's a great question. you went to the heart of the matter because that's exactly what law enforcement wants to do. first order of business since columbine is to locate the shooters, locate the active shooters. if people are in there
9:39 am
barricaded, if they know where the shooter is, they should get that out to the police on 911 or via texting or however they can get it out because the key is to locate him. they want to go right past everybody to the shooter and stop him. they don't want to do any searching first. they want to get to him or them and stop them immediately, so the key, the first thing for law enforcement, is to locate the active shooter, to stop him, to engage him, to stop him from doing what he's doing. >> thanks so much, jim cavanaugh. we will obviously stay in touch. we'll be back after this break with the jailhouse interview that is sparking a lot of conversation. matt lauer's exclusive interview with joyce mitchell. the prison worker who helped two inmates escape. >> you know what they're saying. she's hearing these stories every day, she's giving them some of the tools they're using. >> and she's the monster. >> and she did nothing to stop it. >> i knew i was in way over my head.
9:40 am
♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. this is what we do. ♪ that's the value of performance. northrop grumman.
9:41 am
more and more people with type 2 diabetes are learning about long-acting levemir®. as my diabetes changed, it got harder to control my blood sugar. today, i'm asking about levemir®. vo: levemir® is an injectable insulin that can give you blood sugar control for up to 24 hours. and levemir® helps lower your a1c. levemir® lasts 42 days without refrigeration. that's 50% longer than lantus®, which lasts 28 days. levemir® comes in flextouch, the latest in insulin pen technology from novo nordisk. levemir® is a long-acting insulin used to control high blood sugar in adults and children with diabetes and is not recommended to treat diabetic ketoacidosis. do not use levemir® if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which may cause symptoms such as sweating, shakiness, confusion, and headache. severe low blood sugar can be serious and life-threatening. ask your doctor about alcohol use, operating machinery, or driving.
9:42 am
other possible side effects include injection site reactions. tell your doctor about all medicines you take and all of your medical conditions. check your blood sugar. your insulin dose should not be changed without asking your doctor. get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing, sweating, extreme drowsiness, swelling of your face, tongue, or throat, dizziness, or confusion. today's the day to ask about levemir® flextouch. covered by most health insurance and medicare plans. (ding) (clicking noise) read text. (siri voice) adam, i'm sorry. i shouldn't have said that about your hair. it's not stupid. (ding) find hair salon. wow. yeah, that's right. (siri voice) ok, jack's boutique is nearby. alright, i've got another friend and his name is bryan adams. ok. this isn't going to work again. ♪"please forgive me, i know not what i do..."♪ introducing app-connect. the things you love on your phone, available on 11 volkswagen models.
9:43 am
for months, people have wondered just why prison worker joyce mitchell helped two convicted killers escape from a maximum security prison in upstate new york. now joyce mitchell talks publicly for the first time about why she smuggled tools to the convicts and her bizarre relationship with the men, in this exclusive interview on the "today" show with matt lauer. >> how close were you and how close did you become to the inmates? is it fair to say you also became a friend? >> it is fair to say that. >> was there flirtation as part of that friendship? >> there was. >> did you think that perhaps you were crossing some sort of a line? >> i was at first, but then i guess -- i guess i got a little too comfortable. >> did anybody ever stop you and say, you know, joyce, back off a little bit, get back behind the
9:44 am
desk, treat them like inmates, stop being such a nice person, stop being friends with them? >> they never actually told me to stop, but they did say, you know, you're to friendly, you know. you're to nice. >> when they would say that to you, would you stop? >> i would a little bit but at the time that everything happened, i was going through a time where i -- i didn't feel like my husband loved me anymore and i guess it was just me, i was going through depression and i guess they saw my weakness. >> so you were looking for something, you were looking for attention. >> yes. their attention made me feel good. >> candice delong joins me now from santa fe. she visited the prison from which matt and sweat escaped. thanks for being with us again.
9:45 am
frankly, i find this inexplicable. there were so many off-ramps. she keeps saying she didn't know what to do. there were so many people she could have told her fears to and the threats while they were still locked up before they became a real threat to the entire community. >> all true. prisons have rules and regulations and protocols in place for employees to follow if they are being threatened by anyone. she says that she was threatened, that she only did this to save her family but of course, had she gone to her bosses and said hey, this is what's up, everything would have been different. there were enormous consequences for her doing that. it probably would have been fired and may have jeopardized
9:46 am
her marriage, but what ensued would not have happened. >> and candice, this is another part of the interview where she acknowledges the serious nature of what she smuggled into them. let's watch this. >> i gave them the start bit for full size hack blades and i give them chisel and punch. that's all that i give them. >> that's a lot. >> it is. >> so you go in during the day, you would see at least mr. matt in the tailor shop. >> yes. >> and we say to you hey, we've breached the wall of our cell, we got out of the wall, we're back in the crawl -- he would let you know this? >> yes. >> what was your reaction when you were hearing these stories? wasn't it also astonishing to you that they were actually getting out of their cells at night and they were going behind the walls of the prison? >> they were waiting until after i think 11:00 bed check and then
9:47 am
they would go. >> i'm trying to put myself in the position of someone watching this at home, and they are all saying, you know what they're saying, she's hearing these stories every day, she's given them some of the tools they're using -- >> and she's the monster. >> -- and she did nothing to stop it. >> i knew i was in way over my head, so i had to keep going with whatever they were saying. >> candice de long, one of the things so striking about this interview that matt did was when she said that nobody checked the bags, that once she realized they weren't checking her bags, she could bring stuff in every day for them. >> right. i bet they're checking bags now, andrea. >> what does it say -- >> security gets lax, people -- they are not being enforced. it looks like clearly there was
9:48 am
very inept supervisory and leadership from the management to the employees. it just wasn't there. >> thank you so much for your insights on this. absolutely extraordinary story. amazing interview matt lauer did. continuing on breaking news from mississippi, the active shooter situation continues. a delta state university in mississippi, one person is dead. this is a campus of 3500 students. more details just ahead. people choose aleve? it's the brand more doctors recommend for minor arthritis pain. plus, just two aleve can last all day. you'd need 6 tylenol arthritis to do that. aleve. all day strong.
9:49 am
♪ [ female announcer ] everything kids touch at school sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. you handle life; clorox handles the germs. you handle life; can you tell what makes them so different?. did you hear that sound? of course you didn't. you're not using ge software like the rig on the right. it's listening and learning how to prevent equipment failures, predict maintenance needs, and avoid problems before they happen. you don't even need a cerebral cortex to understand which is better. now, two things that are exactly the same have never been more different. ge software.
9:50 am
get connected. get insights. get optimized.
9:51 am
now back to the breaking news from mississippi. an active shooter at delta state university. the school confirms one person has died. the campus remains on lockdown. they have orders for everyone on campus to stay inside and away from windows. state police, local police are all on campus responding to this active shooter situation.
9:52 am
joining me is nbc's mark potter and former atf agent and msnbc analyst jim cavanaugh's on the phone. also on the phone, christi kitchinges, editor of the cleveland mississippi current. i understand we have confirmation of who the victim so far is? >> yeah, we have a partial confirmation. we are told by murray rourke with the coroner's office that one person has been killed and confirms that person is a professor who was shot and killed at delta state university, identified as a white male, no age has been given. there is no other information at this time. we also have a staffer here in miami who has been -- who just came in to say he has been tweeting with someone at the school who claims he's in a lockdown room, in a dark room, with some other students waiting out this situation right now. so apparently the school is still on lockdown.
9:53 am
students are frightened, they are gathered together, hunkering down in place waiting for this to end. we don't know exactly where all of this stands right now in terms of the shooter, but the information that we have from the m.e.'s office is that a professor at the school has been shot and killed. >> i want to go to christi, who is on campus and is a reporter there. can you tell us what is happening now on campus as best you know? >> reporter: right now we are about 20, 30 yards from the command center set up in front of ewing hall. our paper is here trying to find out what's been going on. we have been here for about an hour. the shooting was in job hall. we have not had any 100% confirmation aside from the fact we have heard one professor has been shot.
9:54 am
no one has been brought out. the professor is still inside and according to our sources, the shooter is locked inside, inside of a hall. we are still just waiting here patiently to see what is going to happen next. >> tell me about job hall. is this a classroom building? is it a student gathering place? >> reporter: it is a classroom building. and it is where our 90th anniversary festivities were scheduled to take place this week. so kind of on the crazy end, being a reporter and having a student inside, a son inside job hall when the shooting happened is a little nervewracking. >> i can't even imagine. let's just clarify, you are a reporter for the local paper, you are the editor, but also the mother of a student. tell me, is this your son or
9:55 am
your daughter? >> reporter: he was inside. he he had a class in job hall from 10:00 to 11:00. that's when i got the news there was an active shooter in job hall. i immediately came to campus. i talked to him, he's fine, he's safe. he's been evacuated to another building. the delta state facility did a great job making sure the safety of their students came first. there are law enforcement of all types here. we have state troopers, we have our city and local county police, the mbi, u.s. marshals are all here. right now i'm looking at them and a group of different law enforcement agencies are at the command center right now looking to be having a meeting to discuss what they're going to do next. >> has anyone described the gunfire, what kind of, what caliber, what kind of weapon they think they heard? >> reporter: i talked to my son earlier. he was in the building, in the
9:56 am
room right above where the shooting was, and they were actually watching a video, some type of movie or something, and he didn't even hear the shots until the law enforcement came in and quickly evacuated them out of the building. i have not talked to any other student as far as anybody hearing anything as of right now. >> thank you so much. i can't even imagine the stress but you are managing all of your roles. thank you for sharing with us. i'm so glad your son is well. >> reporter: call back if you need anything else. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." stay with msnbc for more on this breaking news on the active shooter situation at delta state university in mississippi. "msnbc live" is up next. (vo) maggie wasn't thrilled when ben and i got married.
9:57 am
i knew it'd take some time. and her sensitive stomach didn't make things easier. it was hard to know why... the move...her food...? so we tried purina cat chow gentle... ...because it's specially formulated for easy digestion. she's loved it ever since. and as for her and ben... ...she's coming around. purina cat chow gentle. one hundred percent complete and balanced for everyday feeding of adult cats.
9:58 am
bill's got a very tough 13lie here...... looks like we have some sort of sea monster in the water hazard here.
9:59 am
i believe that's a "kraken", bruce. it looks like he's going to go with a nine iron. that may not be enough club... well he's definitely going to lose a stroke on this hole. if you're a golf commentator, you whisper. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. this golf course is electric... can a a subconscious. mind? a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. we begin msnbc live with
10:00 am
breaking news out of cleveland, mississippi. the sheriff's department has confirmed an active shooter situation on the campus of delta state university. the university has confirmed one person has died. the school is on lockdown with students inside. nbc's mark potter tracking the latest developments for us. start with what we know about this confirmed death, because it is a staff member there. >> that's right, thomas. we are hearing from the county coroner's office from a man named murray rourke that a professor at the school, delta state university, has been killed. he was shot and killed. that's all we know at this time. we do not know an age. he is described as a white male. there is nothing more than that at this time. we do know that earlier this morning, a report went out that there was an active shooter at delta state university in cleveland, mississippi, about 115 miles south of memphis. it's between memphis and jackson, mississippi.