that does it for me this hour. jonathan capehart picks up our live coverage next. thanks for watching. i'm jonathan capehart. tonight, bernie sanders goes to the place where ted cruz launched his political campaign and gets applause. plus, maybe the best news hillary clinton's ever received about her e-mail situation. and what happened when miss america was asked about tom brady? you don't want to miss that. but first, bernie sanders gave a speech today at an unlikely place, liberty university, the conservative christian university in lynchburg, virginia, founded by the late reverend jerry faldwell. in his opening remarks, sanders received a surprisingly warm welcome from the crowd when he spoke about his views on social issues. >> the views that many here at liberty university have and i on a number of important issues are

very, very different. i believe in women's rights. [ applause [ applause ] and the right of a woman to control her own body. [ cheers and applause ] i believe in gay rights and gay marriage. [ cheers and applause ] those are my views and it is no secret. >> amazing response. roughly 10,000 students from liberty university were in attendance for today's event. senator sanders made clear he thinks it's important for both sides of the political aisle to find common ground. >> it is vitally important for those of us who hold different views to be able to engage in a civil discourse. too often in our country, and i

think both sides bear responsibility for us -- there's too much shouting at each other. there's too much making fun of each other. now, in my view, it is easy to go out and talk to people who agree with you. it is harder but not less important for us to try and communicate with those who do not agree with us on every issue. it is important to see where, if possible, and i do believe it's possible, we can find common grounds. >> senator sanders has made growing income inequality in the united states a crucial issue. speaking to the crowd, he used the bible to justify the need to

address the problem. >> amos 5:24, but let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never failing stream. justice, treating others the way we want to be treated. treating all people, no matter their race, their color, their stature in life, with respect and with dignity. now here is my point. it would be hard to make the case that we are a just society. we are living at a time where a handful of people have wealth beyond comprehension. more money than they would ever know what to do with. but at that very same moment, there are millions of people in

our country, let alone the rest of the world, who are struggling to feed their families. they are struggling to put a roof over their heads. and some of them are sleeping out on the streets. >> senator sanders also used pope francis's writings about income inequality in his speech today. >> in the pope's view, and i agree with him, we are living in a nation and in a world, and the bible speaks to this issue -- in a nation and in a world which worships not love of brothers and sisters, not love of the poor and the sick, but worships the acquisition of money and great wealth. i do not believe that is the country we should be living in.

[ cheers and applause ] >> by the sound of the crowd, sanders' message is resonating with at least some of the conservative christians in attendance. it's also now resonating with voters. bernie sanders is now the front-runner in iowa and new hampshire. a new cbs poll shows bernie sanders in first place with 52% in new hampshire. hillary clinton in second place with 30%. sanders' 22-point lead is his largest so far. in iowa, bernie sanders is in first place with 43%, now leading hillary clinton by ten points. senator sanders has been rising in the polls since the day he jumped into the race. his rise in popularity comes as far left-wing politician jeremy corbin was elected leader of the labour party in england. he won nearly 60% of the vote in the four-candidate race. he favors britain's withdrawal from nato, wants to --

conservative party leaders were shocked by his win and many see some parallels between a corbyn in the uk and a potential sanders win in the u.s. senator sanders commented about the corbyn election saying he was delighted. but what's unclear is whether our political system will react the same way. tonight's question, do elections in foreign countries influence politics in the united states? log on to cast your vote and we'll share your responses throughout the show. bring in april ryan, dan ball, chief correspondent frr "the washington post" and joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com. thank you all for being here. dan, let me start with you. is it fair to look to britain's political elections and compare them to politics here in the united states? >> well, jonathan, for a long

time, there's been some parallel relationship between, on the one hand, the conservative party in britain, and the republican party here, and the democratic party here and the labour party in britain. some of those relationships have frayed a bit over time. but i think it's always the case that people on this side are looking at what's going on there and vice versa. so when jeremy corbyn wins the election for the leadership of the labour party, it was a stunning development there. and obviously some of the same forces that were successful in helping him to win are affecting what's going on in the democratic race here. the parallels are not perfect and i don't want to carry them too far. but certainly there is unrest and the progressive grassroots in both countries. >> i recommend everyone read dan's column from yesterday in the sunday washington post on this very topic. april, we just played long stretches of bernie sanders'

speech at liberty university. what's your reaction? >> i think if i get biblical on you, i think he was daniel and he went into the lions' den. but to be honest with you, i think this is why so many people say they feel the burn, the passion. he moved in on a discontentment within the conservative and republican party right now. and he's trying to win more votes. i talked to him on his birthday last week. and he was talking about how he expects to get more, you know, there's more momentum for him, and he's expecting to get more votes. so this is not -- this is not surprising. it's interesting. and looking at him versus ted cruz, i'm wondering how many people had to go to the bernie sanders' speech versus the ted cruz speech. but i think he wanted to bring over some of those who were discontented in the gop, possibly for the general election. and he may have done that.

>> both the senator sanders speech and the cruz speech were con vocations which were mandatory attendance. but we were watching the long clips of bernie sanders' speech. particularly where he said i'm for women's rights, i'm for gay rights, and the cheers, are you surprised by the reaction? >> somewhat. we should remember we did have should wa some supporters there. but some of them had to be liberty university students, i think. they're not monolithic. that's why i think it's important that someone like senator sanders goes there. this also speaks to his appeal, that he's not afraid. he wasn't afraid to call himself a socialist in congress. he's not afraid to go into this very conservative university and say, i want to talk to you, but i remain pro choice, i remain pro marriage equality, but let's talk about where we can agree. the thing that's interesting about this, he does have a way

that he thinks he could be the nominee and possibility even the president by expanding his reach to kind of white working class voters who maybe get turned off by, maybe they're not sure about abortion or gay marriage. maybe they're not sure about black lives matter. he's really one of those old-time lefties who thinks that the democratic party muted its appeal on class and pay too much attention to identity politics. >> your reaction to senator sanders leading in both new hampshire and iowa, but also to joan's point about senator sanders reaching out in that old lefty progressive way, outside of his comfort zone, to basically expand the pie and bring in more voters. >> two points. one, the you gov polls in iowa and new hampshire and cbs polls, are by far better for sanders than most of the other things that we've seen.

that lead in new hampshire is stunning. we have to wait to see whether those are outlier numbers or whether they have caught the wave ahead of the wave in a sense. they're very striking and i think we need some more evidence. but there's no question that in new hampshire he seems to be ahead at this point. how far, we don't know. and that he is competitive if not even with secretary clinton, ahead of secretary clinton in iowa. so he is in a far different place than she or many people would have thought a few months ago. the second point, in terms of him trying to expand his appeal, so far, with almost no -- with maybe one exception, his support is better among people who have college educations, who are wealthier, rather than kind of the working class constituency that he's trying to appeal to. again, we have to give him more time to see if he can do that.

but for the most part, at this point he has kind of a constituency which is what i would say, elite liberal rather than blue collar working class. >> april, that leads to the question i was going to ask you. does senator sanders have what it takes to reach beyond iowa and new hampshire? can these big poll numbers, these big leads he husband now in iowa and new hampshire, will they translate to the other big contests coming down the road, most notably, south carolina is what i'm thinking about? >> he's on his way there. i was saying the same thing about him a couple weeks ago. hillary clinton versus bernie sanders. hillary clinton is someone who, she's not as political, but she has the heart for it. that's what many of her campaign people say. but meeting with bernie sanders last week on his birthday, he has this passion that you feel, this depth of passion that you feel with everything he says. so i believe that translates and i see a lot of young people, particularly on social media

talking about, feel the burn. and he's 74 years old, and you have people looking at him like he's this rock star, like who is that young hot guy, kanye west or someone. so he's translating in so many places. i think he'll go beyond iowa and new hampshire. he's going to keep moving. he's got this passion that is setting people to fire. that's why they're saying feel the burn. >> we're talking about bernie sanders leading in iowa, leading in new hampshire, possibly taking the fight beyond that, the clinton camp, how worried should they be about senator sanders at this point? or is the thinking in clinton campaign headquarters, we're still months and months away before we really have to be worried? >> i think both things are true. i think they are concerned and they should be concerned. but they have a playbook. robby mook has been out reassuring people that they have a plan, a great ground game, especially in iowa. they have these later states

where she's stronger than senator sanders. i don't think they're completely rattled, but i think they have to be concerned. i think that he's getting fairly kind coverage. i know a lot of my sand nifta friends are going to disagree with me, because some people think it's been a little bit mocking and minimizing. but by and large, he's gotten respectful coverage, not what he might deserve, according to his fans, and if he really were to become the front-runner, i think you'd see much tougher coverage. i think we're in a place where we've moved past -- a lot of people remember the red scare and confusing socialism and communism are gone frankly. they've left us. so younger people don't have that aversion to the fact that this guy calls himself a socialist, which i think is great, but you can see the mainstream media taking a tougher tack on what he really believes. he's no jeremy corbyn, but he

hasn't had the tough coverage that would come in you were the front-runner. >> and your reaction to what joan just said, particularly about the generational divide, that a lot of people who are feeling the burn, don't have the same baggage about socialism and being called a socialist that their parents or grandparents had? >> i think that's right. joan's point about the coverages is correct, and i think in terms of secretary clinton, they should be more worried in brooklyn about secretary's clinton's performance as a candidate rather than simply what bernie sanders is doing. there is the potential for a very serious debate within the democratic party. so far, secretary clinton has avoided that debate. she has decided for her own purposes not to really spell out where she differs and why with center sanders. and we're going to have debates starting next month. we will probably begin to see that, and the degree to which she engages will give us a clue as to how seriously she is

concerned about his rise. >> april, ryan, dan, joan, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. still to come, new information about hillary clinton's e-mail server, what it means for her campaign and her critics ahead. and has donald trump met his match? we'll look at how ben carson is fighting back against trump's attacks. stay tuned. i hate cleaning the gutters. have you touched the stuff? it's evil. and ladders. sfx: [screams] they have all those warnings on 'em. might as well say... 'you're gonna die, jeff.'

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knowledge of the server being wiped. the assertion also means the deleted material could be recovered. clinton and her staff have declined to comment on the story. in recent weeks, clinton has apologized for using a private server and maintains that she did not break the law. the justice department says clinton was well within her rights. their civil attorneys wrote that there's no question that former secretary clinton had the authority to delete personal e-mails without agency supervision. she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server. as secretary of state clinton did not handle classified documents on her e-mail. since then, some information has been upgraded in classification. conservative groups are pressing for a deeper review. according to a new washington post/abc news poll, 51% of those surveyed believe hillary clinton broke government regulations when she used a personal e-mail server. but the story isn't over.

the same poll believe that more voters believe clinton's e-mail is not a legitimate issue for the election. joining me now, national reporter for the washington post and senior fellow at media matters for america. carol, let me start with you. can you break down the difference between deleting an e-mail and wiping a server? >> i sure can. it's been fun to learn this tech language on this story. thanks for asking, jonathan, the softball. so when you delete e-mails, which hillary clinton and one of her lawyers or legal team did, on the justified basis that these were personal e-mails and not something she had to turn over to the government, you're going through each one and deciding, i'm tossing this. but in the case of her server, when she left the department of state as secretary, a new private company took over management of her server, rather than a staffer who was at the

state department. and this private company basically migrated all of her e-mail and data from the server at her home to their own device. and that migration, essentially deleted or removed all of those e-mails from one box, if you will, a storage box, it's really a server, to another. when you wipe something, meaning you are overwriting data with gobblety gook, it's something like eight to ten times overwriting and overwriting the data. you're scrubbing any possible trace of that material. that, according to the company, doesn't appear to have happened with the server, which is now in the custody of the fbi that is investigating whether this private e-mail system essentially jeopardized classified national security information. >> and you did a great job explaining, taking my softball

question and making sense of it. so, eric, what do you make of people who do not believe that the e-mail scandal, if you will, is legitimate? but they also don't believe she complied with regulations? >> i'm not surprised. the avalanche of news coverage, the vast majority of it has been very negative for months and months on this story. among democrats, i think it's in the 70% range of people who don't think it's a legitimate story. but my gosh, she's been absolutely pummelled in the press thanks to the republican investigation. this continues to be a scandal in search of a crime. a process story in search of a crime. now, with the question of these e-mails still being recoverable, i guess that opens the door to more clinton voyeurism. they've already released 7,000 of the state department e-mails. and we learned exciting things

like she couldn't get her fax machine to work. but the exciting thing is the doj filing last week, saying she had every right to delete the files. and another point they made was, no government agency is under any obligation to go retrieve information based on a hunch, based on a fishing expedition. there's no -- there's allegations, there's no proof anything was done wrong with these e-mails. so you can't go back looking for all these e-mails on a hunch. that's what i think republicans are still looking for. >> parallel to eric's point, is there a possibility that the clinton team could have manipulated the server without the tech company's knowledge? >> it seems sort of unlikely, based on what we know. we don't know everything, but based on what we know, this company in denver was managing it, and had custody of it. they actually had it in a new jersey facility and they were the ones who had possession of

it, until the fbi picked it up a couple of weeks ago. i think eric's got some good points about the -- lots and lots of coverage. there are people, though, very close to the secretary, who are very concerned with how she handled this. not necessarily because they view it as a crime, but because they think it shows some sort of trying to avoid any review of her e-mails. remember, while lots of people on the republican side want to use this as a claw to find something unpleasant about a front-runner, democratic presidential candidate, it was a republican committee that essentially because it wouldn't take no for an answer, discovered that she had not used a government server for sensitive information. >> carol, let me ask you one more question about a story in politico. the one that said some of the classified e-mails passed through commercial servers like google. what are the implications here

of that? >> i really like that reporter's work generally, but i don't find that particularly worrisome at the moment. remember, we don't know everything that is in all of the e-mails that have been turned over to the government to date. but in the thousands that we have been able to review, particularly the trove that came out last month, only two that we know of, were top secret, and involved things that, you know, on the one hand, are top secret, cia and nga programs about surveillance. but on the other hand, are things that have been publicly reported. so whether this is on a special server at this point at this point, doesn't concern me as much. the fbi may have another view. and the fbi now is looking through, trying to determine where else did this classified information sort of leak to as a result of the way she set up her server. >> and eric, real quickly,

secretary clinton, her trustworthy numbers are through the floor. what can she do to turn that around? was that apology last week going to be enough? >> i don't know. that's a political decision they made. i don't think they're under any idea that this story is going to soon evaporate. structurally it's designed to go on for months and years at this point. the trustworthy numbers are interesting. washington post finally asked, what about donald trump's trustworthy numbers? his are worst, but we don't hear a lot of chatter about that. >> well, you just brought it up. carol and eric, thank you. still ahead, donald trump gets ready to face another record crowd in dallas, but he's also facing more opposition. we'll have the details. and the woman accused of helping two criminals escape from a new york prison speaks out. find out how her friendship with the inmates spiraled out of control.

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of that friendship? >> there was. >> when did they start asking you for favors? >> a few months before they decided to get out, they were asking me for things. >> so what did you bring them? >> i would bring cookies, brownies. you know, stuff like that. >> pretending that you were bringing them in for yourself? >> yes. >> how often did you do that, joyce? >> i did it a lot. >> and then they started asking for other things. when richard matt comes to you and says, joyce, i need a star-shaped drill bit, that's a lot different than cookies and brownies. >> yeah. >> what did you think? >> at first i'm like, i can't get you that. but then he's like, i need it. >> for what? >> at first, they didn't tell me. and then after they did, it was because they were going to try to escape. >> had you already given it to them at that stage? >> yes.

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>> welcome back, donald trump's status as the republican front-runner is becoming stronger by the day. he's hosting a mega rally in dallas, texas tonight, more than 20,000 people are expected to pack the sold-out american airlines arena. no more tickets to the free event are even available. hundreds of trump opponents are gathering to protest the big event tonight. various community groups are holding a quote, dump the trump march and rally. protesters say they're rallying against hate mongering and

racism. a new abc news/washington post poll out today shows trump in first place, ben carson in second place and jeb bush in third. jeb bush had no problem attacking his second-place opponent over the weekend. >> i hear ben, who's a nice guy, he's a very nice man. he's a surgeon. but he's way behind me. what about me, i'm leading. they don't mention that. people don't have energy. i don't think ben has the energy. >> carson was asked if trump's low energy attack bothered him on sunday. >> no, it doesn't bother me, because i recognize that i have plenty of energy. you know, operating on people for 10, 12, sometimes greater than 20 hours at a time, making critical decisions after many hours of intense work. >> but dr. carson -- >> having unexpected situations come up. you don't have to be loud to be

energet energetic. >> meanwhile, nbc announced today arnold schwarzenegger will be replacing donald trump on the "celebrity apprentice." trump is happy about it, stating congrats to my friend arnold schwarzenegger who is doing next season's "celebrity apprentice." he'll be great and will bring in lots of money for charity. ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for politico. donald trump selling out a 2,000-seat arena. lots of people said this day would never come, that he would be long gone. he's here. is he here to stay? >> he's here to stay, jonathan. all the prog noft kators were wrong with trump. his numbers seem to be steady in the early goings of this particular campaign. it's funny to hear him say that no one talks about him being in the lead when that's all that

everyone has been talking about since this campaign really got started. so that's a little bit strange. but listen, when we look at the numbers, even though they may not have a lot of depth to them, which is to say, we don't know if it's all new voters, are these the red meat base? there seems to be confusion about who is being polled and who makes the case for trump here. but at the end of the day he's leading now and we can't call this the early part of the campaign anymore. >> no, you can't. and ken, we've been watching donald trump rise in the polls with each sort of insult of the other candidates that he has lobbed, this seems to be working, no? >> yeah, the direct confrontational approach certainly is his trademark, and in addition to him talking about how well he's doing in the polls, that is the thing that he's known for, attacking the other candidates. we've seen different approaches to sort of countering that. we've seen jeb bush and others try to ignore it, then jeb bush engage.

rick perry dropped out of the race. bobby jindal calling trump a narcissist and an ego maniac. a different approach from ben carson, sort of turning the other cheek. it seemed at one moment if he was going to engage with trump. he apologized. he said it is not my intention to impune other people's motivations. contrast that to trump i think you'll see though they are both outsiders, it's working for both of them, when they're put in direct conflict, potentially in this upcoming debate, that will be the test of how ben carson responds when trump is actually delivering the insult to his face. >> let's talk more about ben carson. that clip we showed of him responding to trump's attack actually i thought was pretty good. do you think he's doing a good job of handling donald trump in a way that some of the others haven't? >> what i'll say, he's doing a different job. he said initially he had no humility and no fear of the lord and he dialed that all the way

back. that's a great way to turn the other cheek after you get your shade out there. >> that's a good point. >> so i don't know how different he is. i guess the only thing that i would say, and this will be probably the only time i agree with donald trump, he said it in a very low-key manner. he even defended the fact that he had energy in a low-key, sleepy manner. so i can't wait to see what he does on the stage on wednesday. >> ben carson, though, low energy or not, he's a strong second place. are republicans just fed up with career politicians? >> it seems that way. although, you know, we've watched elections before, jonathan. you know they can be topsy-turvy and crazy. i think carson's demeanor has allowed him to be successful as a surgeon and i believe it contributes to his success. he's very mild-mannered. we know there's a lot of stuff out there in the atmosphere about the angry black male

stereotype. that works for him. but his comment about not impuning people doesn't apply to president obama because he's said disparaging things about president obama and his policies. >> let me ask you about what james just said about dr. carson's demeanor and how that might be why he's doing so well. do you agree with that, that dr. carson's demeanor, especially when contrasted with donald trump, that is partially explain why he's rising? >> yeah, there's something there. and it's important to note, that he does have a history of hyperbole and really strong statements that appear to be fairly extreme and out there on the fringe, talking about gays, you know, talking about being gay, and comparing the irs to the gestapo and in some ways, he seems to have dialled it back

for this campaign, perhaps realizing that it is this path, to be the outsider, who is not the bombastic outsider, that has catapulted him to near the top of the polls. like we said, it's working for him. but i think he has a long way to go to prove that he can either overtake trump or stay in it for the long haul. >> angela, the person we haven't talked about, jeb bush, the guy everyone said was going to be the nominee. he's at 8%. can he do anything to get back in the game? >> i think he's going to have to come guns blazing, of course no puns intended here with a mostly democratic panel. but he'll have to come really strong in the debate. one thing i want to go back to, jonathan, the fact that 53% of those folks that are polled are clearly saying they want a washington outsider. jeb bush's numbers are low. i don't think he's deemed an outsider. he's deemed a part of a political dynasty. i think we also have to acknowledge the fact that these people are saying, listen,

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conflict. i don't want to be in the spotlight. i certainly don't want to be a whipping post. i am no hero. i'm just a person that's been transformed. >> davis returned to work today and issued a statement at the entrance of her office. all couples legally eligible for marriage are receiving licenses with kim davis' name removed. >> any marriage license issued by my office will not be issued or authorized by me. i want the whole world to know any unauthorized license they issue will not have my name, my title or my authority on it. i, too, have grave doubts whether the licenses under these conditions are valid. >> the governor and county attorneys say the licensees that include the words "pursuant to federal court order" are valid. davis' attorney says the fight isn't over. >> her deputy clerks can only do that which she authorizes them

to do. the whole world knows that kim davis has not authorized the issuance of marriage licensees. they will have to remain in legal limbo for now until, hopefully, the governor or legislature intervening to change the law. >> joining me now is evan wilson, founder and president of freedom to marry. evan, kim davis' lawyer just said all these couples are in legal limbo. do governor and attorney general, they've come out and said the licensees are valid. does kim davis have a legal leg to stand on? >> kim davis, her attorney, the likes of mike huckabee are going to keep trying to pump air into this failed trial balloon for carving out from the law special religious licensees for religious views they favor, but the american people aren't buying it, nor does the law nor should the court. there is no doubt that the

licensees are valid. the couples should be able to marry securely and happily and celebrate without having this cloud these guys keep trying to throw over them. it shows just the contempt they continue to bring that she claims to be returning to her job, but her job is issuing licensees pursuant to the law. she is not doing that. >> so who are these people who would actually challenge these federal court-ordered marriage licensees? >> there won't be that kind of challenge because nobody, certainly they, do not have standing to bring that challenge. frankly though, if they brought a challenge, it would be good in a way because then the court could just resolve it and it would be done. these couples wouldn't have to have even a scintilla of worry. kim davis is sticking the taxpayers who pay her salary with the cleanup and the costs of dealing with the fact she will not do her job embedded by this kind of so-called attorneys and these kinds of politicians. >> her salary, which is $80,000

a year. >> exactly. >> she has been compared now to rosa parks, martin luther king and abraham lincoln. what's the strategy there, do you think? >> it's certainly not to appeal to logic or compassion or empathy or the law or american history because they're way out of touch with all of them. it's sad to see this woman making these statements and abused by her attorney and going down this path, and what's appalling is to see these agendas being used at taxpayer expense to deprive loving and committed couples of their day where they should be able to walk into a government office, get a license and be able to so celebrate their love and their commitment through marriage. >> quickly, they say that kentucky legislature needs to pass a law to make the supreme court ruling effective in kentucky. is that grounded in law? >> no. it's not grounded in law. it's not grounded in logic.

today friends who marry put out a graphic. 99.4% of the counties in this country are following the law, couples are getting married. this couple should, too. >> evan wilson, thank you very much. thanks for joining us. msnbc live continues next. right now on msnbc live, a campus on lockdown a professor dead and hunt for a person of interest. in california, hundreds of homes burning down as people flee the fastest-moving wildfires in decades. are firefighters making any progress there? >> a new call in ferguson for changes to address racial inequality. >> the summer of trump, as hot as ever. we are waiting a big trump rally in dallas in just about an hour. we will go there. first off, good day to you, i'm richard lui live in san francisco. first off to breaking news. we are hitting hour seven of an active manhunt in a small mississippi city. a shooter on the loose a