the same time. >> i think scott walker has the most to lose, because he's been -- you haven't heard much from scott walker. it's a moment for him to sit some shots here. david corn, matt schlapp, thank you. i'm jonathan capehart. thanks for joining us. msnbc live continues next. right now on msnbc live, the head of the next gop debate a surprise for donald trump. ben carson crimes within striking distance. and a new poll, will it get ugly tomorrow night? also, i'll talk to democratic presidential candidate, martin o'malley. he weighs in on 2016 politics, and why the u.s. should do more on the migrant crisis. deadly flash flooding. the unimaginable video of what happens after an intense rainstorm. floodwaters washing away cars, roads, and homes. the search for survivors is underway. and a deadly wildfire grows in california, destroying almost 600 homes and killing one woman. very good day to you. i'm richard lui. we're live in san francisco this hour, begin with a potential

shake up in the gop field. just a day before the second round of republican debates. a new national poll shows that donald trump still leads republican field, but ben carson has moved within striking distance, just four points behind. carson will be right next to trump tomorrow night. like most of the candidates, he kept a quiet schedule today. one notable exception, donald trump. he is scheduled to give a speech in los angeles in just a few hours. and so far, he has not seemed too worried about preparing for that debate. >> so, the debate. i hear they're all going after me. whatever. whatever! no, i hear it. >> for more on tomorrow's debates, let's go outside the reagan presidential library in simi valley, california. nbc's peter alexander has the latest for us. >> good afternoon to you from the reagan presidential library. barely 24 hours away from this showdown, actually a series of showdowns that we're

anticipating in tomorrow night's debate. the real emerging story line has been the success of the political outsiders on the republican side. donald trump, ben carson, combining for 50% support among republicans in this country right now. add in carly fiorina and they have a majority of support. do the same with ted cruz, it's up to 60%. the showdown between fiorina and trump is one that a lot of people will be watching for, thinking that fiorina is uniquely positioned to take down trump in a way, after his recent comments about her looks, look other things. of course, he insisted that he was referring to her persona. the other challenge will be that for jeb bush and scott walker. scott walker now dropping to number ten in polls, at just 2%. he, of course, was counting on a strong showing in the first caucus state, that is iowa. and jeb bush is now relying on his trump card, which is his big money advantage, $114 million raised over the first six months of this year. now spending is a chunk of that on some new ads that begin soon, to try to introduce himself, perhaps reintroduce himself, as

jeb for his long record and his success as florida governor. all of it starts again 24 hours from now, as these republicans try to claim the mantle of ronald reagan. the question, of course, may be, which one of them will break his 11th commandment, thou shall not speak ill of any fellow republican. so far, donald trump has shown he's not concerned with that. we'll see you tomorrow. that's the latest from here. back to you. >> all right. peter, thank you so much. nbc's peter alexander. joining us right now, former san francisco mayor, willie brown. mayor, thanks for being with us today. you know, the whole republican field coming to the home state here of california, of yours, and a lot of focus, as you know, on ben carson and carly fiorina. do they have the most at stake here during this debate tomorrow? >> oh, i think that california is pleased, frankly, that the debate is being held here and at the reagan library. and i do think that both carla and ben carson have a very good

chance. however, i have predicted from the beginning that trump would be the nominee and nothing changes my mind on that score. >> when you look at donald trump, though, there is some concern, at least from those on the right, that he's not conservative enough, rand paul is one of those individuals. you have wall street, who's also concerned here, mayor, that if he does become the mayor that that might push a lot of the swing voters to a more liberal candidate. and so therefore, there's all this energy from farther right, both socially as well as financially saying, he's not our guy. is that enough to upset him from the top perch here? >> i don't think so. donald trump is donald trump. he has redefined how you become a candidate for president. he's redefined, hopefully, how you become president in his mind. and he is not going to be obedient to any of those conventional markers and the wisdom that comes from people who participated before. he's inviting a whole new

collection of people to become a part of who gets to be president and they are sufficient in number to reward him with that office. >> where do you think he sits on the conservative scale? >> i don't think he cares, frankly. i think that many of the conservatives on issues that he is concerned about, like immigration and others, they say yes to trump. they say, okay to other people, but trump represents a better shot on that issue, because he is expressing in political incorrect tones, all of the things that they are thinking about, but dare not say >> mayor, i want to play a little bit from prm rm, who was asked about the republican candidates last night. this is what he said. let's take a listen. >> right now i'll try to stay out of the campaign season, until -- partly because, i can't keep track of all the candidates. so, i'll wait until it's

winnowed down a little bit before i have an opinion. >> so, the question here, mayor, you know, the democrats, do they just -- are they watching, including yourself, to see what happens? how this plays out? >> i think most democrats are doing exactly as the president says. and they're just staying out of the fray. after all, it's 16 now, republicans left and they are at war with each other. except that the war is only between newcomers. the old-timers, like bush and the guy from new jersey, the governor of new jersey, christie, all those people, they're not relevant to the current day. >> now, if you look at rick perry, who earlier on was engaging be donald trump, he has since dropped out. you also have hillary clinton staying on the democrats here for a second. when you look at her numbers, her support is down with women. she's also somewhat engaged donald trump. does that show that because of these falling numbers, that hillary clinton may be in a bit

of trouble from your perspective? >> well, i don't think hillary is in a bit of trouble. i think hillary is in a lot of trouble. only, however, because the management and operation of her campaign did not jump on the issue involving the server soon enough. hillary is an outstanding candidate. i am sure trump would not want to exchange information, views, or be in a contest with hillary and nor would anyone else. they're hoping that her troubles eliminates her. if her troubles do not eliminate her, after all, she is a clinton. and clintons in this country are like reagans on the republican side. >> mayor, you always give a pithy statement as we close this segment. what would the headline read on thursday after the debate, would you say? >> i think it will read that ben carson has now proven that he's more than surging. he got there with a full set of

brains and suddenly he's going to demonstrate that he has a full set of brains on issues affecting the lives of people. >> full set of brains. mayor willie brown, thank you so much for your time today. >> thank you. now to a developing story out of southern utah, where a flash flood triggered by strong thunderstorms has killed 12 people. officials say two vehicles carrying 16 people washed off the road and into a channel. after getting hit by a large wall of water and debris. >> no! oh, no! there's two vehicles. >> we've got to get -- >> oh, no! there goes john's fence. oh, my goodness, it's coming in our yard! oh, no! what do we do! >> three people in the cars were rescued. authorities are still searching for one person still missing. it's left residents there stunned and shaken. >> the people that we knew, went to church with and, you know, now they're gone.

just over a freak accident, you know? something came down and swept them away. they didn't have chance, you know? it's just -- it's sad to think about. and stuck in their vehicles, being swept down, you know? it's really sad. >> others were luckier. just across the border in colorado city, arizona, witnesses captured rescuers pulling a family from a car stranded in floodwaters there. leanne gregg is live for us in h hildale, utah, and what is the latest on that one person still missing you're hearing? >> reporter: that search effort will continue tonight for the person. and what they definitely don't want to see is more rain happening, a thrash flood warning is in effect for this evening. they've been searching since this happened last night, brought in the heavy equipment. hundreds to have people volunteered to look through this debris and mud and tree limbs, all of this after the flooding,

the waters receded. it happened yesterday afternoon. the warning was in place, but no one expected it to be this bad. 2 1/2 inches of rain within two hours, already on saturated soil and swollen rivers. and those two vehicles filled the 16 people, women and children, who had reportedly been to the park and stopped to take a look at the rising waters when what was described as a wall of water slammed into the back of them and shoved them into the channel. so it was a horrific scene. and you could see the dramatic pictures of the flow of the water, the strength of it. they're used to seeing floods here, it happens because of the topography. but we're told by people who have lived here all of their lives that they haven't seen anything quite like this come on so quickly and so violently. so, again, that search will continue tonight, despite the rain and they're hoping to find that 16th person. >> msnbc's leanne gregg.

thank you for that. now to the wildfires ravaging sections of california. firefighters continue to battle 12 active fires across the state. two fires alone have already spread over more than 100,000 acres. the butte fire just southeast of sacramento is now 35% contained. more than 4,600 firefighters are still battling it. meanwhile, the devastating valley fire, which has taken down entire towns in its path there is only 15% contained. all told, more than 700 homes have been lost in these fires, with thousands more threatened. now, residents forced to flee wait to see if their homes have been spared. >> i don't know if my home is going to be standing, yet. fires are surrounding it right now. >> i really want to go back up. i just don't know when we can go see everything. >> msnbc's jinah kim joins me live from middletown, california. and jinah, as we look at the town that was hit by the valley fire, and you heard the containment numbers, very, very

low. what's the scene there tonight? >> reporter: well, some good news today. it appears that today may have given this firefight a fighting chance. it appears to have turned a critical corner, thanks to the cloudy, cool conditions that we have had that will actually bring about a half inch of rain, as early as tomorrow. and, of course, this is great, because when we get that update about 6:30 tonight, we expect the containment numbers the to go up and they will go possibly even further up tomorrow. now, here's some unfortunate news that we are hearing, richard. we just heard this afternoon, from sheriff's deputies that were patrolling this area, there were so many of them patrolling, we went up to them and asked them, what's going on? and they said that there are now people taking advantage of evacuees, going up to them, posing as reporters and saying, hey, let me check on your house for you, and then going up to that home and looting it. so the sheriff's department has put out a warning, this scam warning to all of the evacuees

saying, don't give out your addresses. and of course stories like this make you want to shake your head at what people will do to people who are already down and out. but the numbers are holding steady. about 13,000 evacuees remain out of their homes. 67,000 acres charred. >> all right, thank you so much. msnbc's jinah kim reporting for us. we hate to hear stories like that, people taking advantage of those who need help. two teens are dead and others injured after a school bus drove off an overpass this morning in houston. a car slammed into the bus and the bus crashed over the guardrail, landed on the road below. two students died in that wreck. two other students and the bus driver were taken to the hospital. witness sas say the bus flipped over after falling off that overpass. >> came off about 50 miles an hour. and when it hit the ground, it started flipping and when it flipped, it flattened the back of it. it was about seven or eight

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now to a story of an unruly passenger who forced the emergency landing of of a flight last night. american airlines flight 1284 from miami to chicago was diverted to indianapolis after this female passenger you see here had to be escorted off the flight. 25-year-old daniella reyes is accused of hitting a flight crew member and then kicking a police officer. >> just a lot of screaming and kbr yelling. i thought it was a kid crying in the back, but end up being she was kind of being belligerent, drunk on a plane. >> she was let off the plane. she faces a list of charges, including battery and two felony charges. the flight eventually arrived this chicago 90 minutes late. two kayakers in california, they've got a whale of a tale to tell, after a close call with a humpback whale. the kayakers were paddling off the coast of monterey bay when

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now to the migrant crisis overseas. today president obama said it would take a united effort to deal with the crisis, including accepting some refugees. >> we ultimately have to deal with the source of the problem, which is the ongoing crisis in syria. and we have discussed how we can

continue to strengthen that cooperation. and i discuss the fact that the united states feels it is important for us to also take our share of syrian refugees as part of this overall humanitarian effort. >> president obama saying the u.s. will take in at least 10,000 migrants over the next year, but one presidential candidate says that is not enough. former democratic governor martin o'malley wants the u.s. to accept 65,000 refugees by 2017. in a letter to the president, ol' mally writes, quote, we can do more than a token increase. joining us now, democratic presidential candidate, governor martin o'malley. and thanks for joining us today here, governor. >> thank you. >> john mccain, as you might know, he was on msnbc and he blamed president obama for the migrant crisis. i want to listen to that and then get your reaction. >> it's doubly heartbreaking, because it didn't have to happen. it happened because of the failed policy, policies of

barack obama. our failure to stop bashar al assad's slaughter of his own people, now over 230,000. >> do you share that criticism, governor? that john mccain has there. that it's the fault of the obama administration and therefore, that's why you're asking for more to be accepted in the united states? >> no, i don't believe it's the fault of the obama administration. john mccain always seems to be willing to commit american forces to countries in the middle east. but the reason i wrote to the president is for this reason. we have a responsibility as a moral leader of nations to step up in the face of this humanitarian crisis. we were asked by international relief agencies if we could take 65,000 people and in a country of 320 million, richard, that is akin to accommodating six more people in a baseball stadium that already holds 32,000. so this is something we can do and that we should do and don't

for a second think that the nations of the middle east and muslim nations of the middle east are not watching how we act in the face of this crises. i believe we need to do more. i believe that the 10,000 is largely viewed as a token amount. >> governor, the critics will say, what about cost and what about concern of security? >> look, this is -- this is consistent with the policy of the united states in the past. yes, i understand that we have to make sure that proper precautions are taken to protect the homeland and that refugees need to be screened. i understand all of that. and i'm not saying that we should not do that. what i am saying is, that when we are seeing images of children's dead bodies washing up on the beaches, when we are seeing 4 million refugees fleeing this failed nation state, we have a responsibility to act. and that responsibility is consistent with our principles as a people, and it's also critically important for our

credibility in this world and our own foreign policy. we're not a facing that sits back or pretends that our barbed wire fences are our national symbol. our national symbol is the statute of liberty and we need to act consistently with our principles in the face of this humanitarian crisis. >> governor, as you are running for president, an issue that you brought focus on just yesterday, gun control, you wrote an op-ed on that. you're calling for a universal background checks and new age requirements for gun possession. is this one of the issues you believe will move you forward there in the race? >> i believe that there is a growing consensus, richard, that we need to take common sense actions to reduce the amount of gun violence that happens in our country, day in and day out. get this. 88 americans on average are killed every day by gun violence. over the labor day weekend, i think 145 people, americans, were killed by gun violence. so we have a sickness in our

country, and we need to take better actions in order to reduce the amount of gun violence. i am not afraid to stand up to the nra. we did it here in maryland. and we passed sensible gun safety legislation that includes background checks, that bans the sale of combat assault weapons on our streets. and these are the things we need to do, as well as allowing our law enforcement agencies to actually share information and track down the illegal trafficking in guns, which today is not a felony. under our federal law. and i believe we need to make it a felony. >> that's one of the issues you're pushing forward. as we look through the headlines of you, there are both local and national ones. there's one about you buying furniture from the governor's mansion at steep discounts and also accolades for your role as governor and mayor. but regardless of the buzz, you're polling in double digits

and at this point, when will you make that go-no go decision in the process? >> i've already made the decision to go and i'm polling at about the same place of many other candidates were who none of us had ever heard of until the first contest was held. so, whether yo look in the past at jimmy carter's trajectory or gary hart or even bill clinton, the inevitable front-runner's always inevitable, richard, right up until the first contest. and usually in the democratic party, a new voice, speaking to a new generation of leadership emerges. and hopefully the democratic party will get off the couch here and start having some debates, so that the american people can see that we actually have ideas to offer that will make wages go up rather than down. that will make college more affordable for more people. we have work to do to rebuild the truth of the american dream, and our party is the party that people look to for new leadership. so i'm very encouraged by the traction we're getting in iowa. was endorsed by 12 county chairs out there just last week.

so we are going to continue to campaign the old-fashioned way. one town at a time, all across iowa and new hampshire. and i believe we're going to surprise a lot of people when those first contests are held. >> wear some comfortable shoes, sir. presidential candidate, democratic former governor, martin o'malley. thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. ahead, very sorry. those are the first words on an apology note, apparently written by the suspect in the mississippi campus shooting. and 2016 politics. it's round two for republicans. can anyone take down trump in the next debate tomorrow?

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breaking news on clashes in congress picking up pace. here's one of them. you're looking at live pictures of the senate floor. republicans are holding a second vote to move ahead, with the resolution rejecting the iran nuclear deal. republicans held a similar vote just last week and it was blocked by democrats. >> if democrats share the

president's determination to win ugly on this important issue, then they have sufficient numbers to do that, apparently. >> so that's the iran deal. then there's also this. the vote that's coming up in terms of whether they'll run out of time, congress, and will try to avoid a shutdown of the united states government. those are the two issues. speaker john boehner dealing with an increase number of conservatives who want to withhold funding for planned parenthood. they've got to figure it out by the end of the month, as i was saying, or they will have a government shutdown. let's go live to nbc's luke russert on capitol hill. luke, why don't we start with this. the iran deal at the moment and where we're at and how it looks. >> bewell, the iran deal vote that's playing out right now on the senate floor, richard, is roughly going to be the same as last week, where you'll have all republicans opposing the iran deal with a few democrats thrown in there, and democrats providing enough votes to give president obama a veto-proof

majority. some would ask, why is mitch mcconnell and the republican leader going through this process again? and a lot of it is for semantics. as they essentially really want to hang this around the neck of senate democrats, believing it will be a very difficult issue for them in the 2016 election. harry reid said this is a waste of time. he's, of course, the democratic leader over there. they don't think it's going to change. what it will be really interesting to see, though, richard, moving forward, september 17th, this thursday, is when the obama administration will consider the iran nuclear deal to be in effect. that congress was not able to vote it down, because they were not able to get the veto-proof majorities necessary. however, there are a lot of house conservatives, including leadership that believe the clock never started on this deal, because the administration was not forthcoming about, quote/unquote its side deals between iran and a nuclear regulatory agency, so they may, in fact, try to sue, saying that president obama violated the spirit of the law, that congress was able to review this. it's a little complicated. it's a little wordy. it's a lot of jargon there.

but at the end of the day, the deal will move forward on thursday. there'll be some sort of lawsuit, more likely than not. what it will actually do, a lot of legal people say they don't necessarily know. it's unchartered territory at this time. >> so we're watching that right now, luke. the other part, part two that you're also watching at this hour is the fight over planned parenthood, and just a number on that, 71% of americans saying it's more important for congress to avoid a shutdown than defund planned parenthood. last week, we were talking in these boxes as we are doing right now, you said, the odds of a shutdown, 50/50. so what do you think? >> i'll probably say, i'm still at 50/50, but each report that comes down the gauntlet here seems that conservatives really are adamant about not rowing planned parenthood to get any funds in the next government funding bill. the irony is, even if the

government were to shut down, planned parenthood would get a lot of these funds from medicaid. not to mention, none of the funds that planned parenthood gets at this moment are used for abortions, they're used for women's health. it's a precarious situation for a lot of leaders. the republicans can't be trusted governing, but john boehner, who's taking on a lot of water from conservatives, he's going to have to do something about this. it remains to be seen how he gets out of this predicament, richard. >> luke, you're still saying is 50/50. i'll give you some odds here. 100% that you and i will be talking about this next week again. >> i guarantee it, my friend. enjoy san francisco. >> that's right. thank you, sir. luke russert there for us in the capitol. still ahead, a grand jury indicts 37 people in connection with the hazing death of a college freshman. also, the new fight for front-runner status in the gop field, one day before the debate. queso dip ♪ ♪ haven't been this lost in years ♪

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victories, that at some point, they're just going to be coming out of your ears! >> well, that's donald trump, as you see, already looking forward to a victory on wednesday and ma days after that. but a day before that second republican debate, the gop field is anything but settled. today, a shift. ben carson, cutting into trump's lead. he's just now 4 percentage points back. now, you might remember in july, trump's biggest threats were jeb bush and scott walker. carson barely even registering there on that poll. another thing for trump to consider, history. aside from the president's running for re-election, no candidate who was leading at this point in the last three cycles won their party's nomination. joining me now is msnbc national correspondent, joy reid. she's also the author of the new book, "fracture: barack obama, the clintons, and the racial divide." also with us is amy holmes,

anchor for the blaze. thank you both for being here. >> pleasure. >> amy, i'll start with you. how much could the debate tomorrow night change the race? we were talking about that history that if we look back, it doesn't look good for trump from one perspective. >> well, donald trump seems to defy all history, all politics. who would have guessed it six months ago that he would be the front runner we were talking about and the front runner to beat? how much will tomorrow night shake up the race? well, i can tell you, richard, that all those people trailing donald trump, like jeb bush, marco rubio, rand paul, chris christie, you name it are hoping that tomorrow night shakes up the race. but if the last debate, if recent history tells you anything, it didn't knock donald trump out of contention, even though many observers, political pundits, people like me and joy, though that donald trump didn't do very well. he wasn't particularly substantiative. it seems like right now, that's not what gop voters are looking for. what he likes best is his

boister and bluster. >> joy, your new book, a great one, "fracture: barack obama, the clintons and the racial divide." you talk about race and politics. if you look at the other side of the aisle, the republicans at the moment. we have ben carson who we've been talking about, an african-american candidate, the only one on that side. apply what you wrote about in your book to what is happening with the republicans? >> the republican party has sort of an interesting position right here, given that ben carson, as you said, is becoming so popular. there isn't a large african-american voting base on the republican side. so it's not as if the kind of competition for that base that you saw between hillary clinton and barack obama in '08 is going to take place on the right. but you do have, i think, a well spring of support for ben carson, in part because he presents a contrast for conservatives with barack obama, quite frankly. and sort of an alternate universe obama in a lot of ways. and i've seen a lot of support for him, particularly among white conservatives, quite frankly, who see in him the kind

of conservative messaging they like, the outsiderism they like, but not necessarily donald trump's temperament, which some people might not be as comfortable with. so i think the interesting thing to watch going into the debate on wednesday night is whether or not ben carson has sort of a moment with donald trump. because let's face it, the way the media is hanging on donald trump's every word, the other candidates' only route to attention at this point is attacking drump drump and hoping he attacks them. you've seen bobby jindal try that attack. but when it comes to what i was looking at as far as race, i think in the republican party, i think the onus is usually on ethnic candidates, particularly in the republican party to downplay these issues of race. i don't think ben carson would get anywhere, kind of talking, quote/unquote race talk in the republican party. he's doing the opposite. he's saying black lives matter is a bad idea. you have bobby jindal really downplaying his ethnic heritage and saying that's not what's

important. everything is really flip on tss head on the other side of the aisle. >> i wouldn't say it's about downplaying race. it's about talking about in race in conservative terms, which all of the candidates will be trying to do in this case. ben carson, he has a lot of affection among evangelical voters. and he talks, i think, very sincerely from the heart about it, even though donald trump disagrees, and has pointed out that ben carson used to be pro choice. ben carson, if you remember in the last debate, at the very end, he sort of also won the concluding remarks contest, if you want to call it that. when he spoke -- when he made a joke about being a neurosurgeon and, you know, splitting the siamese twins. so i think that carson has a light touch, that a lot of conservatives like. the question is, will it stand up on the about the stage tomorrow. a lot of ben carson's numbers going up has been his campaigning on the stump. more of that more intimate setting with gop voters and they like what they hear. >> and joy, you know, ben

carson, as both you and amy have been intimating here, needs to say more, perhaps. and "the new york times" did look into that and they analyzed how much minutes each candidate spoke in the first gop debate. ben carson ended. right in the middle. does he need to do more here than the six minutes and 46 seconds that he did on the last one, joy? >> i think, you know, the thing about debates is it doesn't matter how long you talk, it matter ifs you get in a memorable line. you remember ronald reagan and the "i paid for this microphone," you just have to get in one good line. i think it's not the substance, it's the style that's coming across to the voters and we'll see who wins. >> joy, thank you so much. amy, thank you as well, both of you at 30 rock for stopping by. >> our pleasure. coming up, the hazing death of a college freshman. authorities say fraternity members misled investigators. now 37 people will face charges can. but first, new details in that

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girlfriend, ann amy prentice. police say lamb called authorities about the shooting. >> gautier police. >> um, yes. you need to send some units over to [ muted ]. >> what's going on there? >> i shot my wife last night. there's a dog in the house. and he's a sweet dog. it's not going to bother anybody, but i'm sure he's upset. >> okay, sir. what is your name? >> um, that's all i feel like saying right now. just go and take care of her. you'll find all of her family's phone numbers and things in her phone. you can contact them. >> okay. what is her name? >> amy prentiss. >> when police arrived, she was dead. they also found this note that says, quote, very sorry.

i wish i could take it back. i loved amy and she is the only person who ever loved me. the manhunt for lamb ended overnight. police saying they followed lamb in his car and when lamb pulled over, ran into the woods and shot himself. a grand jury has indicted 37 fraternity members in connection with the hazing death of a college student. 19-year-old chun michael deng died in december 2013 after what police called a brutal hazing ritual. deng and members of the fraternity were on a retreat in pennsylvania when that hazing occurred. police say that deng and other pledges were blindfolded and ordered to carry 30-pound bags full of sand across a snowy field while fraternity brothers charged and tackles the them. police say that deng was treated more harshly than the other pledges. after he passed out, fraternity

members took over an hour before they sought out medical attention. at a press conference, they described the injuries. >> deng suffered multiple blows over his body. it would take hundreds of g-forces in order to cause the damage to the interior of the brain. the massive bruise to the back is due to repeated blunt force impacts, which resulted in dramatic asphyxia. delay in treatment of one to two hours significantly contributed to the death of mr. deng. >> joining me now is veteran prosecutor, paul henderson. paul, 37 people will be charged here in this case. have you ever heard of a case like this, where so many individuals are now at stake? >> well, yeah, it's not uncommon when you have a case like this to charge everyone. and i can see why a grand jury would charge them the way that they did. because, keep in mind, the

victim here was blindfolded, was wearing a sack, and there were numerous people engaged in numerous activities, causing individual bruises and individual injuries. and then it expands beyond those individuals with the people that got involved, that delayed him getting help. and all of these contributed to the death. so it's not that uncommon in a case like this, where you see a large number of people that are all involved and have to be tried together. so that they can accuse each other and share information about what each individual -- >> i want to play one after -- play one individual's statements against somebody else's, is what you're saying? >> that's exactly it. and it will expand beyond even just the felony charges, to the delays of getting help and all of the conspiracy charges, where they were given bad advice and told not bring him to the hospital right away. >> and let's look at those charges. five members face charges of criminal homicide, aggravated

assault, criminal conspiracy. five face assault, criminal conspiracy and others. 27 members looking at charges of hindering and apprehension. the list goes on. a big laundry list of charges. will the district attorney as they look at this list here be able to sustain all of those? >> i think they'll be able to sustain a large number of them. and all of that's going to come out when they start the trial. and it starts becoming clear which individuals were engaged in which behavior. what the prosecutor will do is then articulate and delineate why each of those defendants is guilty of this crime. and it will range across that spectrum, from delayed to homicide. >> and so, also, interesting in this, quickly here, if we can, paul, is the entire national fraternity is also facing charges here. so pi delta psi, criminal homicide, involuntary hds, all towards this national fraternity. give me a precedent in this. >> the precedent is here where you have the criminal charges. there's always this ancillary

track of civil liability as well. and i think you'll see the criminal charges perceived first, because they will go much faster, particularly if any of the defendants are placed into custody and don't wave time. and then based on those decisions, based on those jury rulings, when people be found guilt, you will have civil liability for the organization as a whole. so the civil approach will be the courts analyzing and the jury analyzing or determining whether or not the organization itself sanctioned or condoned behavior that was reckless, and that's where they'll find liability for the civil side. >> veteran prosecutor paul henderson, thank you so much. >> thank you so much for having me as well. >> you bet. with that, we'll be right back. the only person i know that says that is... lisa? julie? we've already given more than 175 million free fico credit scores to our cardmembers. apply today at discover.com it's the brand more doctorsose recommend for minor arthritis pain.

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minutes. we're heading 20 miles up to sea. the cutter is part of the coast guard mission, "arctic shield." landing is terrifying and thrilling. captain seth denning welcomes us aboard. with no deepwater ports in the alaskan arctic, they're at sea for 60 days. >> we left gnome and are in this vicinity right here. >> reporter: the rapidly melting ice is bringing new opportunities and new headaches here, including more sea traffic. part of the coast guard mission is to scope out who's up here and why. from november until may, ice makes these waters impassable, without ice breakers. so after october, the hailey's not coming up here? the maps are old and incomplete. even open water can be dangerous. so you're guessing when you're going through here? >> right. >> north of gnome, there are a

lot of blank spaces. >> reporter: melting ice is now making the famously treacherous northwest passage passable. if it becomes reliable enough for international shipping, it could save thousands of miles off the current route through the panama canal, saving 30% of the costs as well. meanwhile, smaller ships are here in record numbers. but with just two aging ice breakers with, the u.s. is largely frozen out of here for nine months. russia, on the other hand, has 41 ice breakers, many of them nuclear and they are actively building more. the u.s. has none under construction. >> the coast guard told me a couple of years ago, this was a ball game, the u.s. wouldn't be in the field, we wouldn't be in the stands, we wouldn't be in the parking lot. we are last. >> you've got to gain the attention of the american people. >> reporter: retired admiral bob pat is the commandant of the coast guard. >> finland has more ice breakers than we do. >> they do. sweden has more ice breakers

than we do? >> they do. >> so an the scale of aurgt, where is it? >> that's one of the most urgent things we need to do for the arctic. you need to have a short access into your maritime boundaries. >> u.s. on the right and russian on the left? >> right. >> passing through the bering strait, a clear reminder of who does have access, the russians. >> vladimir tootin has called the bering strait the next suez canal. the russian military has identified the arctic as a probable place for war in the coming century over resources. they had immense war games in may and when the russians have a war game, well, who's the opponent? the opponent is nato, so the opponent is us. >> back on the ship, the helicopter we rode in on is grounded. it needs a part that will take two weeks to get here. our only way off, down the ladder, and into the rubber boat. as navigating the rough and

changing waters of the arctic takes on new urgency. >> and that was nbc's cynthia mcfadden reporting for us. it looked cold there, didn't it? thanks for watching this hour from san francisco with us. i'm richard lui. "hardball" starts right now. tonight, a change in the political weather. dr. carson is starting to overtake donald trump. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in los angeles for tomorrow night's republican presidential debate at the ronald reagan library. i'm giving the news at the top, donald trump is still rising, but dr. ben carson is rising a whole lot faster. according to "the new york times" cbs poll out today, it's now trump at 27% nationally, ben carson coming up on the outside