everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait. ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews at the regan library out in california. steamy valley of course. where we just witnessed a grueling slug fest, i think, of a debate. this is a debate where the candidates were on a mission. each of them to advance their own cause with the people out there they need to win the nomination.

but the breakout star, which i certainly saw coming was carley fiorina who was ready to nail trump on his comments about her face. fiorina always drew some applause by rallying the base on the issue of planned parenthood. here she is -- i dare hillary clinton, barrack obama to watch these tapes. watch a fully formed fetus on the table, it's heart beating, it's legs kicking which someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest it's brain. this is about the character of our nation and if we will not stand up and force president obama to veto this bill shame on us. >> well, jeb bush defended his brother from an attack from donald trump. let's watch this, we knew this was coming for months. >> the lack of judgment and the lack of understanding of how the world works is really dangerous in this kind of time, we're saying -- is that the kind of judgment you bring to the table?

that hillary clinton is a great negotiator? that she could bring about a better -- >> and your brother's administration gave us barrack obama because it was such a disaster those last 3 months that abraham lincoln couldn't have been elected. >> you know what, as it relates to my brother, there is one thing i know for sure. he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember -- [ applause ] donald, do you remember the rubble? do you remember the firefighter with his arms around it? they sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe. >> i don't know. do you feel safe right now? i don't feel so safe. >> you know i always wonder when i watch comments like that and you get applause why someone in the audience doesn't remember that it was under w's watch we suffered 9-11. now not to make a big partisan aspect to it, but it is a fact that we had the worse attack inside this country in our history under w.

after, after they had gotten the report and they had shown it to the country that al qaeda was about to attack inside the united states. now it seems to me, and that's not a war crime of course, but it's nothing to brag about. he kept us safe? no he didn't. we had 9-11 on his watch. and he took us into iraq which had nothing to do with keeping us safe. somebody has got to get good ata debating these people when they make the ridiculously inaccurate comments. anyway according to data tonight the top searched candidate tonight was still donal trump followed by carly fiorina. here at the reagan library, washington post national political reporter, robert costa, nbc katy tur, and steve schmidt. walking over to the set, you just spent ten minutes after the game. >> after the game. >> does trump think he won? >> he does. he thinks he won.

he told me he came prepared on fiorina's business record. you compare his temperament. he believes he held back, was disciplined, acting like the front runner. wanted to show he could bring it and handle the heat. >> why did he take shots add people like the looks with rand paul? >> he enjoys punches down once in a while. when it came to carly fiorina, he called her beautiful. >> he's still politically correct, because you're not supposed to make comments about someone's looks. >> there's consequences if he hits carly fiorina. she's going to go up in the polls. and you're seeing her to up in this debate. by hitting her, he knows unlike the others, he will take a hit by fighting with her. she was in a strong position.

i would say that she came out swinging, and then if we talk about to a lot of the gop insiders, they'll say she got a clean hit when she says people know what he meant. >> didn't you expect it was coming. i predicted this was going to be the big thing in the fight, and i predicted it was going to be carly fiorina the winner. these are not hard things to tout. you can see them coming. carly fiorina was guaranteed the spotlight tonight when he took the shot at her looks, any debate moderator, especially a showman as good as jake tapper, knew he had to put it up. they saved it, and they saved it to the end so they could go to break with that one. they knew this was the crowning moment tonight. >> trump tells me, we're over at his suv. >> he's your guy now. >> trump tells the post, he says, i said you came ready, trying to get under her skin on her business record. bringing up her silicon valley

record. he said, in so many words, i don't mess around. he said i was ready with fiorina? >> he thinks if he goes at her business, that's the way to get at. >> what about her coming back and saying you have three or four bankruptcies in atlantic city? >> he thinks he's comfortable at the billionaire. we'll see. >> steve, what do you think? i'm getting into the last name thing, what do you think in this? not many years ago, maybe ten or fifteen years ago, bobby rigs, a tennis champ challenged billy jean king and lost. what do you think of him and these women fights? he seems to glory in them. he gets into this stuff.

do they push his buttons, as they say, or why -- tonight he did stop. your thoughts? >> look, to some degree, it's a question for a psychiatrist. i can't explain it. half the country is made up of women, and certainly his comments are disrespectful toward women, whether it was megyn kelly or carly fiorina, but thus far, he has not paid a price for it. i wonder if part of it is a backlash to something that came about in the last two presidential election cycles, which is this cycle of somebody says something mildly offensive, there's faux outrage out of the campaigns. it sends press, are you going to apologize, is this staffer going to be fired. >> and everybody apologizes and he doesn't. >> after two cycles of the apology tours, people have had enough of it, and he's not paying a price for it. i think if he continues to be

serially disrespectful to women, and i think carly fiorina landed a real hard shot to his head tonight with her response to that. it was understated but very effective. >> do you like the way he came back? he broke all the rules. carly has been out there the case, judge women by their brains. what did he do? first of all, he said she was bad looking and then he said she was beautiful, all the while ignoring her content or character and brains, and then he trashes her business sense. how do you do this? and you told me the other night, after the people that showed up for his rally for women in dallas? >> they were. and you ask them, does it bother you that he says negative things about women. they say it's fair game and part of his showmanship. even when you talk to people who

are avid democrats and liberals, they say of all the people in the republican field, they like him the best, because they think he's the most reasonable at heart, despite what he says when he's campaigning. they say he'll say anything to get the nomination but that when he does potentially get into office, if he does, he will tone it down and be more of the liberal guy that he actually is. >> didn't you notice when you talk to him without a lot of cam cameras, he seems much more measured and maybe he's trying to seduce us all, but reasonable. >> i think he's changed as a candidate. he has evolved as a candidate. the tone has changed. what has happened is he's become the front runner and he has adjusted. he likes the position. he wants to keep it. he's changing his temperament. we're watching it day by day. >> that's true. tonight with the scrum we just had, he didn't -- >> governor kasich is here. >> this is like an old

television show where people show up. we have john kasich. we had bob walker here a minute ago. >> bob walker. >> i want to know how much trouble you're in when i tell you right now an television that a lot of people thought you did well tonight, and you have a lot of democratic fans out there who talked to me all the time and say of all the republicans, i like kasich. does that hurt? >> chris, of course not. i want -- look, you and i worked together for many years where we could have our disagreements, but we always found a way to put the country first and get things fixed, right, and sometimes we had disagreements where we couldn't fix it. we're not going to function great as a country if we can't solve problems, and how are we supposed to be a power in the world if we're alone. >> why does your party ignore your comment?

we need the brits and the chinese and the russians or there ain't going to be no boycotts or sanctions. that's logical. they'll buy the same stuff from somebody else. why don't people hear that in your party? >> i'm saying it, chris, and you're hearing it. i mean, am i the only one? look, i just think that, first of all, i think a lot of it is i was there for 18 years on that defense committee, and your old boss, tip o'neal, created the space to put me on the committee. working with gary hart and barry goldwater, you learn a lot about how the world works from the great minds of defense. i learned a lot then. i know it matters that we have good allies. that's how we won world war ii. >> everybody out tonight, it reminds me, politics does, of an middle eastern suk saying everybody is working their own stalls. rubio was trying to prove to the

rest of the daddy war bucks how height wing he is. carly fiorina was getting even with trump. and huckabee is reading his religious right. what is your constituency? who are your people? >> i'm not worried about standing out. i'm going to just tell people what my experience is, what i've done in the past and what i want to do in the future. >> who are your kasich people? >> you have to figure that out. i don't think that way. >> people who like executive ability. >> in new hampshire, there they get a chance to poke you, see what you think, and the more i'm out there. >> you dropped a lot of money there in advertising. >> a lot of people did. they didn't do so well. >> is that your kind of state? >> you know who i think my state is?

every state i go to. i'm not going to change my message. you need three things to become president. >> ohio. >> you do. you need issues, vision, and people have to like you. if you don't have two of the three, you can't win. >> he seems like your kind of republican. live free or die kind of die. ask him a question. >> september 17th -- >> i can't hear him. >> when you look over the next 60 days. >> he can't hear you. >> governor, september 17th. >> i can't hear a word he's saying. >> over the next 60 days, what do you have to do to start putting yourself in a position to get yourself as a nominee of the party? how do you see the race? >> look, i have people signing up all over the country now. i mean, trent lot is here with me tonight. it's amazing. we're raising money, and i have

to be out there and around, and you would be shocked at the kind of people who are now wanting to talk to me. it's amazing. so we just have to keep it going. i have to keep having fun, keep can my energy level up. i'm going great. i mean, i may actually have more energy than chris matthews. i know that's hard to believe, but i might. >> that's not conceivable. >> i'll tell you something. it's always so much fun to be with chris. i used to host your show when you were out, and then you stopped me because my ratings were so good. >> i doubt. i think it went to fox. is the old republican party of the northeast, probusiness, but nixon called them the cloth cut republicans. not the elite, the donor class. is that party still there that's not right wing or far right? >> look at the people that we've nominated. remember this about me. i'm an inside outside guy.

i've been a reformer my entire career, but i used to want to knock the walls of the city down. now i'm running the city. but you know what i learned? i can still be a big reformer, and now i can put my hands on the dials and bring about the change which i've done in ohio. >> you are not an outsider. they are doing well in the polling right now. are you concerned about your ability to overcome the establishment? >> i thought you said it was the outsiders. >> they're doing well. >> here's the bottom line for me. to me, at the end of it all, people want to know if somebody can land the plane. they can have all this talk, but they want to know the plane can be landed. i've landed a lot of planes. passengers are pretty happy, and i didn't even serve any drinks. maybe a new peanuts. >> where are you going with that? >> say it's december. and trump and carly fiorina are doing well in the polls. what are you going to do? >> i'm going to do my best. if i works, great.

>> we can't give you the whole night, but i want to tell you my theory. i like you politically. let's go through it. i think there's always a dynamic, synthesis. trump and cruz and rubio are out there. on the other side, you have you and governor bush, and probably in a weird way, governor christie no matter how he talks. if trump doesn't make it, there will be a movement toward somewhere in the middle. it won't be a washington guy. it won't be a far right ring outside guy. it'll be somebody with executive experience, somewhere where the party has a sweet spot. is that still there? >> of course. >> is it you and rubio as a ticket, something like that? i've heard that as a possibility. you as a governor, rubio as the running mate. that makes sense to me. you ever think about that? >> i'll think about it tonight.

>> i want to thank governor kasich for coming here. >> thank you. >> i want to thank steve schmidt who i often agree with, and thank you gentleman. the real republican party of our grandparents and parents is still here and alive. and thanks to robert costa who gave us the scoop on what donald trump had to say after i think he lost the debate. coming up, who didn't show, who has the staying power to keep going in the race? much more ahead. we're cutting it apart here inside the spin room. this is hardball's coverage of the presidential debate live from the reagan library. >> for someone who's been in their system their whole life, they don't know it's broken. it's not that politicians are bad people. they've been in that system forever. a leader challenges the status quo and solves problems that are festers for a long time, and they produce results.

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>> these are extraordinarily dangerous times that we live in. and the next president of the united states better be someone who understands the issues and has good judgment about them. the most important obligation that the federal government has is to keep this nation safe, and today we are not doing that. we are eviscerating our military, and we have a president that is more respectful to iran than he is to the prime minister of israel. >> there were 16 candidates on the stage today. counting both meetings today, 15 of them appeared at the debates tonight. the next debate is 4 2 days away on october 28th. a long time. how many of the 16 candidates will still be in the race at

that time? rick perry is out. who is going to get out and will tonight's debate expedite some of the departures. we assessed the performance and to improve upon them. let's listen to what they've been saying in the spin room. >> i thought it was a lot of substance tonight. i thought the questions were good. i thought jake and the team were excellent. i thought they were excellent, and i thought cnn did a really good job. ted, do you agree with that? if he agrees, i agree. >> the one thing i wanted to stress tonight was any record. i know how to land a plane. i'll give everybody an a. how is that correct? is that politically correct? >> do you think trump's celebrity has overshadowed this process? >> i think it will play out over the course of time. he will either begin to put some meat on the bones of what he's saying, or he'll fade, one of the two.

>> i'm joined by former chair of the rnc, and chairman of the american conservative union. let's talk about some of the people who weren't in the top three, meaning fiorina got a lot of heat and action. and the president, donald trump, he's not the president yet but the front runner, and dr. carson did well. kasich always does well to a point. >> to a point. >> it was interesting how they were stacked up. >> they lined up physically? >> i think the middle part of the stage, maybe they got more time, but they seemed to score more points. i look at the ends, huckabee and rand paul, and i didn't feel like they scored as many points. >> that's parallel to the votes coming in. >> that's right. >> the better were in the middle. >> that's true, but the way it played out, over three hours that the guys at the end would get a little more time than they did.

that factored in. >> it was three hours. they all got a lot of time. >> everybody took a shot at trump. the first 20 minutes was all trump. all of a sudden you're eating into what you're going to do in the back end. but in terms of who moved up a little bit, chris christie did himself a good job tonight. he moved himself back -- >> he didn't look hurt. >> i thought he looked strong. >> many people tonight look on donald trump. a lot of contestants measured their plan by how they went against him. did any of them land an effective low? >> i think there's a sophomore quality that is entertaining about mr. trump. his ability to attack people on their appearance, short, fat, tall, ugly. that happened in junior high. would we not be worried to have like that in charge? >> we don't need an apprentice in the white house. we have one right now.

>> the one thing that only the federal government can do right now, and the president better be up to date on these issues. >> we're at a cross roads. are we going to take the reagan approach, the hopeful approach, or the donald trump approach. the thought that everything is coming to an end and is bad? >> rubio has a boy state aspect to him. he has the best delivery. he's memorized all the names. he took it to trump, you don't know all the names like i do. i just wonder, is that presidential material in the age of obama, or should republicans be wary of doing it again? isn't that weird? >> you're asking the converse of trump, and people say he doesn't know everyone's names, and he can't put out plans. voters don't care about that as much as will you go whack washington with a two by four.

it's a strange moment. a lot of people in that room look at what trump did tonight and say he hurt himself. my guess is he didn't. >> so you still, how much do you hate the way things are? >> that's right. >> i think that's true, but i also think there was a little bit of the patina taken off of him by carly fiorina tonight. i think there were some significant moments where trump effectively threw up the white flag when he goes -- >> would you have done it or not? >> yeah. >> you have to put up the flag when another woman fights you? he can't keep fighting women. >> he's a smart guy. >> i said last time he threw up the flag with megyn kelly. better have the rounds. >> there's a difference. megyn kelly is a good fall, because she's a journalist. you saw the reaction. carly fiorina is an equal. she's a businesswoman like him. she's a candidate for president like him. so suddenly the dynamic is different, and he's a smart enough man to know --

>> she's good. >> she's very good. >> she executes. she is someone who's ready to answer these questions. by the way, chris, she doesn't just memorize names for a debate. she's thought this stuff through. you can see the difference. >> i thought that trump is constantly thinking now. he wasn't before. >> that's right. >> he's thinking do i want to take this fight? do i want to make admissions like he said tonight, i don't know the names. i'll learn them when i get in there. that's an amazing concession. hillary clinton values that stuff. she'll say he doesn't know the names? he doesn't know the quads from the kurds? >> it's not going to help hillary, because that is something that resonates with people because they don't know the names. so the idea that he's being honest about that, and authentic -- >> this is not a resume election. >> let's watch this.

>> i have no argument with having a strong leader, and to be aggressive where aggression is needed. but it's not needed in every circumstance. there is a time when you can use your intellect to come up with other ways to do things, and i think that's what we have to start thinking about. >> radical terrorism the k not be solved by intellect. they need an operating space. that's what afghanistan was for al qaeda. you cannot allow radical jihadist to have a safe haven anywhere in the world. >> there he is. the battle was a guy, one guy carson says think it through. we deny them until they get the message. rubio was like bomb them. it's this visceral, i think he's playing to the money people. i'm sorry. i think every time he talks, he's daddy war bucks willing to

give millions of dollars. and he wants to fight everybody. who was fighting over the chinese islands tonight? icbm? this was apocalyptic. >> it's where our party is. because there's confusion. there's a real conversation in our party about was bush right? was cheney right? >> does anybody think the iraq war made sense to make us safer? >> i think those that like -- that want to give a positive answer, the best think they can say is history will be the guide. it's the best answer. other folks say a disaster. but rand paul fell into stereo type. legalize drugs. >> if you're super hawkish, proisrael, you know a big mistake was made. what was the biggest buffer between israel and iran was

iraq. they fought to the death. how many years of warfare? they did it. now israel is all alone in the region, and now you have isis there. >> what was happening on stage is who do they look back to who has it right. it's a big scary military that you seldom use. >> everyone was united in afghanistan, everyone divided over iraq. up next, someone who knows donald trump and understands the reality television game. we're watching right now. in fact, apprentice contestant clay aiken joins us in a minute. this is hardball live from the reagan library. back after this. >> he said that, quote, if my wife were from mexico, i think i

would have a soft spot from mexico. did mr. trump go too far in invoking your life? >> he did. to subject my wife into the middle of a political conversation was completely inappropriate, and i hope you apologize for that. >> i hear phenomenal things. i don't know her, and this is a mischaracterization. >> she's right here. apologize to her. >> i won't do that. i said nothing wrong. we've got trouble in tummy town.

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>> i may be an entertainer because i've had tremendous success with number one best sellers all over the place with the apprentice and everything else, but i will tell you i am a businessman, and that's the kind of mind set that country needs. >> welcome back to hardball. donald trump talking always the way your mother told you not to, bragging about yourself. he tried to play down his roll as an entertainer, but he's managed to turn this race into a reality tv show. it's all about how well trump is doing on the camera. i'm joined by clay aiken. he's a former congressional candidate for north carolina. he competed on american idol himself and was a contestant on

the apprentice. i'm also joined by erin pike. thank you for coming back. glad to have you back. clay, what is he like? i always thought that thing he did in the apprentice, very quiet, no music, no audience, quiet room. he sits there stone-faced, almost the way that megyn kelly did that night. right. >> stone-cased like this. you're looking at him deciding if he's going to get fired or not. the drama, but now he's a contestant himself. >> he has the same face, that scowl. >> yeah. pursed lips. i am fascinated. i've never seen politics like this, left, right or center. no how long can he keep up this thing? donald trump against the republican establishment? >> how well?

i said a few weeks ago anybody who underestimated him was a little short-sighted who counted him out. three or four weeks ago, never thought higher than 20 or 30. >> is this a person or the guy you meet? >> i think for the most part, yeah. he's a nice person, and he's a nice person and he's very gracious in person, but i think after so many years of creating a persona, it's hard to shed it at any point, and somewhere along the lines, someone told him never apologize for anything. this is what success looks like. and i think he keeps that up. >> so many apologies are phony because you're pressured into it. >> he didn't do that. jeb bush asked him to apologize directly to his wife, and he refused to do it. >> he said she's a beautiful person and all that stuff. what do you make of that never -- you know? >> he's not going to do it. of course if he's not going to apologize for any reason, and he's been saying he doesn't apologize. of course he wasn't going to be

taken down to that level on stage. >> let's take a look at hillary clinton. she had some fun with the tonight show's jimmy fallon. here she is in a sketch that just aired on tv. >> donald, i've spent my entire career fighting for women's rights. i'll push for equal pay in the workplace for protecting women's health and reproductive rights, making quality affordable child care a reality for families. that's what i believe in. that's what i'm fighting for. i'm really curious, donald. what's your stance on women's issues? >> i know a lot of women, and they all have issues. [ laughter ] >> all the things you're not supposed to say. tonight on carly fiorina. he said she was not good looking. tonight he said she was

beautiful. at no time did he say she was worth anything as a corporate leader. >> she won that round completely with her classy, graceful answer. i mean, we expected not a lot of applause because it was a maul -- small room. >> in soccer, you get a free kick. i thought she had a free kick. >> she did, but the worst moment for hillary clinton in this debate was brought about by carly fiorina when carly fiorina said i know that flying is an activity, not an accomplishment. that was a huge moment. >> can a man do that? >> i think it takes her. hillary clinton has been talking about all the miles she flew as secretary of state. she's been using that for a long time. she got a good line in. >> a great shot by carly fiorina against washington talk. in washington everything is billable hours, lobbyists, pr people.

i've been working really hard? nobody asks anybody who do you get done? it's input, not output. she was paying, i put a lot of time in and travelled to a lot of countries. that's how washington people talk and it drives the rest of the country crazy. they wouldn't mind having those trips. i would like to visit paris and africa, and she's saying how tough it is. >> that's why all three of the leading contenders are all outsiders this ground swell of support for people who aren't speaking that way. the gop elect rat, 60% of the vote. >> governor of ohio, an executive position, but he's a washington guy. is there any way the republican party can come back and pick somebody to run against hillary clinton or sanders, probably hillary clinton has an

establishment figure? is that over with? can they run somebody like that that they used to run but have said they're not going to run somebody like that? >> i think they'll end up there. >> it's so hard. john kasich is very much running an establishment campaign, even though he's saying he's not. in new hampshire, he has the same establishment backers that mitt romney had, and he's running on the fact that he is a governor and that he was in the house of representatives for 18 years. he's an establishment candidate. >> chris christie has a different tone to his establishment. >> i like kasich. he's a deal maker and reasonable. he believes in making things work. it isn't just a talker. clay aiken, you know this guy, you should write a back about trump. >> still ahead, much more from the reagan library. you're watching hardball, the place for politics, especially tonight.

>> mrs. clinton is going to have to defend her track record, her track record of lying about benghazi, of lying about her e-mails, about lying about her servers. she does not have a track record of her accomplish. s. i've traveled around the globe, but i know that flying is an activity. it is not an accomplishment. mrs. clinton, if you want to stump a democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of mrs. clinton.

>> donald trump said the following about you, quote, look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face

of our next president. he later said he was talking about your persona, not your appearance. please feel free to respond. >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump side. >> i think she's got a beautiful face, and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> boy, you know, you have to hand it to the economy of words. she handled it well. don't overdo it. hit the home run, circle the bases and sit down. that's what she did. welcome to the reagan library. joining me is the political editor of msnbc.com. rand paul is doing poorly in the polls right now. he seemed to get man handled a bit by donald trump tonight. >> i'm a military person, but

you have to know when to use the military. i'm the only person up here that fought against going into iraq. >> can i make a response? >> just a second. >> you know, you are on last -- you have your 1%. >> you know, there he is, chopping down a guy who was agreeing with him. they were both against the iraq war, and for the fun of it, he whacked him, down to your under 1%. that is so high school. again, i'm sorry. >> straight out of the gate. remember? one of the very top of his answer, he goes after rand paul for seemingly out of nowhere, and then suggests that there are many things to criticize about the way that rand paul looks. clearly, he was out to pick a fight with paul. >> are they trying to windl the field? >> i don't know. he seemed to have, throughout this whole campaign, liked jabbing at rand paul.

there's something he doesn't like. at a press conference recently in new york, he was asked about are you happy carly fiorina is getting in the debate. he said yeah, but rand paul has to go. he has this sort of thing about rand paul. >> could it be he's trying to teach them all a lesson in don't come after me. >> it worked but not against carly fiorina. >> i thought he broke all the rules of hr. there's all kinds of rules when you work at nbc. the rules are you don't talk about somebody's looks. if you know somebody, might say nice dress but carefully. you can say attractive, but you can't say beautiful and you can't say ugly, and you can't talk the way he talks. he gets a rise out of his crowd when he does it. >> he does. >> she knew it was all bs, she wanted him to say it, if i were here, i'm pretty smart. >> any professional woman will tell you they face this challenge every day in the office.

how do you accept a compliment for your looks when you want to be recognized for what you're doing. >> here comes the biggest blooper of the night. when asked who would be the best woman to be put on the $10 bill, jeb bush suggested former british prime minister, margaret thatcher, not known to be an american. let's watch. >> i would go with ronald reagan's partner, margaret thatcher. probably illegal, but what the heck. it's not going to happen. >> first of all, it probably is going to happen. what's he talking about? >> it could happen. i have to say someone else as beth mentioned earlier, did mention mother theresa. also not an american but harder to assail. we had mike huckabee saying he'd put his wife on the bill. >> i would say, and i'm a complete lefty on most things. i like eleanor roosevelt. the more i read about it, the

more i know about her role in the 1930s. she was the person who was out there looking out for the people in real trouble. >> i also found it fairly shocking that they had so much shocking coming up with a woman to put on the bill who they weren't related to. >> that wasn't a joke. >> no. a woman is going to be put on the bill. >> susan b anthony came out of the gate from rand paul. that was the most american answer to that question. >> and rosa parks was a good one, but there were so many others they could have chosen and they were stumped. it was shocking. >> tonight lindsey graham was able to deliver some pretty funny lines at the first debate. a lot of people thought he was the carly fiorina of this one. he won the first debate tonight early in the evening. >> i wasn't the best law

student. by the end of this debate, it'll be the most time i've spent in any library. ronald reagan sat down with tip o'neal, the most liberal guy in the house. they started drinking together. that's the first thing i'm going to do as president. we're going to drink more. >> the always say the irish are drinking together. >> lindsey graham is doing his part. >> i thought he did well. he was honest as a couple of the other ones were about the complexity of immigration reform. no you have to do it all. you have to deal with the fact of illegal hiring and people, with how long they've lived here. he was honest and so was carson and rubio. they were not all whako. >> rubio and lindsey graham were involved in the senate. it's crazy for them to walk away from it. i also thought he was so much better, lindsey graham.

the first debate, he was sour and sort of -- today he came alive. he's funny and whitty and smart. he let it go and was loose. it worked for him. he did well. >> he wants ground troops to fight isis. that's for sure, in both countries, iraq and syria. we'll be back with much more from the reagan library.

we're back with beth and casey. what do you think is going to be written down for tonight for history. >> it was the night that carly fiorina stood up and trump met his match. >> really, the strongest female republican woman we've seen on a debate stage to date. >> in history? will she get on the $10 bill? just kidding. >> watch scott walker. >> thank you. that does it for this special edition of "hardball" live from the reagan library. join us tomorrow night at 7:00 eastern for more "hardball" from here. we'll be right back tomorrow night. using bounce dryer sheets is paying off. your clothes have fewer wrinkles and static cling... ...ain't bringing you down. bounce, the 4 in 1 dryer sheet.

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tonight on "all in." >> i showed to her and she said "is that a bomb?" >> a 14-year-old becomes a global cause celeb after he was arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school. ahmed mohamed is fielding offers to visit the president of the white house. mark zuckerberg at facebook, but, first, he'll be my guest here tonight. then, when democrats attack. >> there's no dirty work involved here. >> i'll talk to jennifer granholm about her pro-clinton super pac going negative on bernie sanders. plus, jon stewart returns with a cause. >> today on the hill you will be exposed to possibly toxic levels of bull [ bleep ]. [ laughter ]

and part two of my exclusive interview with new york mayor bill de blasio. do you think donald trump is qualified to be president? well "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. a couple days ago very few people new who ahmed mohamed was. but now the 14-year-old from texas is trending worldwide on twitter, getting attention from astronauts, moguls and presidents and he will join me tonight for an all in exclusive because on sunday night at his home in irving, texas, just outside dallas, he was doing what he likes to do -- tinkering around with electronics in the makeshift workshop he keeps in his bedroom. in about 20 minutes, he told "dallas morning news" ahmed fashioned a homemade digital clock and on monday, the next morning, he brought it into school to show off to his engineering teacher. >> i took it to school to show my teacher the talent that i had. i wanted to show it. i showed it to my first period teacher, he's an engineering teacher that teaches at

macarthur high school. >> you here in that class? >> i'm in that class and only a select few students can be in that class, around six or seven students. >> another teacher was not so impressed telling him it looked like a bomb. that afternoon, ahmed was pulled out of class, arrested, handcuffed in his nasa t-shirt. >> an officer and the principal came and took me to a room filled with five officers which they interrogated me and searched through my stuff and took my tablet and my invention and then later that day i was taken to a juvenile center detention center where they searched me, took the fingerprint and mug shots of me. >> ahmed said he wasn't allowed to have his parents or a lawyer present during his interrogation and while the irving police said today they're not filing any charges, the case is now closed, ahmed has been suspended from school. that suspension still stands. his story has exploded on social media with the hashtag "i stand with ahmed."

among the top worldwide trends on twitter all day long. muslim americans have been posting pictures of themselves with clocking to show solidarity where others have been warning the irving p.d. to look out for additional time-keeping security threats. ahmed has gotten an outpouring of support from his fellow nerds including retired commander chris hatfield, the jet propulsion lab's employee famous for he mohawk, and mark zuckerberg posted a message on if inviting ahmed to come for a visit while hillary clinton treated "assumptions and fears don't keep us safe, they hold us back, ahmed, stay curious and keep us building. "and from the president of the united states, president obama "cool clock, ahead. want want to bring it to the white house? we should inspire more kids like you to like science. it what makes america great." ahmed's father from sudan spoke today. >> what's touching is heart is that america turns their eyes up and we're grateful and thankful to them.

what happened to our son it is a sign to go forward, to fix, to banish who did the mistake. >> the consensus seems to be this was a major screwup by all the authority figures in irving, none of them appear that apologetic. the school district sent out a letter to parents alerting them to a suspicious item found on campus ultimately determined not to have posed a threat and letting them know "this is a good time to remind your child how important it is to immediately report any suspicious items and/or suspicious behavior they observe." at a press conference earlier today, the police chief said the arrest had nothing do with ahmed's race. the irving mayor posted some thoughts on her if page above the previous post which were photos from campaign events from donald trump and ted cruz. "i do not fault the school or police for looking into what they saw as a potential threat. they have procedures to run when a possible threat or criminal act is discovered."

earlier this year, the mayor made a name for herself in conservative circles with a campaign against sharia law in irving warning against the takeover in texas. >> what do you want people to do? >> i think you need to put your foot down and say this is america, we have laws here already. >> moments ago at the republican undercard debate the candidates were asked about ahmed's story and how they would balance security and liberty. >> i don't think a 14-year-old should ever get arrested for bringing a clock to school. right now the biggest discrimination going on is against christian business owners and individuals who believe in traditional forms of marriage. >> young men from the middle east are different than kim davis and we've got to understand that. >> i'm joined by ahmed mohamed and with him is aaliyah salem from the council on islamic relations in dallas-fort worth. ahmed, when did you start getting into tinkering with electronics.

>> i started around the age of eight and nine. >> reporter: and what kind of stuff would you -- how did you get into it? what kind of stuff two you like to tinker with? >> i would like to tinker with bikes, cars, i would always work with my uncle on vehicles. >> and tell me about this invention that ended up leading to all this. it was a clock. how did you put it together? what gave you the idea to put a clock together? >> it was a simple invention i wanted to show my teachers, i wanted to impress them by something simple. >> so you put this together just -- you bought parts and put it together in your room, is that right? >> yes. >> and you brought in in to school. what were you expecting the reaction to be when you brought in this clock you'd put together in your room? >> i thought they'd be impressed by it. >> did you show it to a teacher

first? >> yes, i showed it to two teachers. >> and what did those teachers say when you showed them your clock? >> the first teacher, he was impressed but he advised me not to show any other people. >> he told you not to show any other people? >> yes. >> why do you think he said that? >> he told me it looks like a bomb. >> and did that surprise you? >> it surprised me. >> so then another teacher saw it, right? and what was that teacher's reaction? >> the teacher's reaction was -- she -- her eyes went up and her eyes widened and she looked at it and she said "is that a bomb?" >> and what did you say? >> i told her no, it's a clock i built over the weekend. >> and what did she say?

>> she was like "i'll take it from here. i'll give it to you at the end of the day." >> so she confiscates your clock after asking you it was a bomb, you told her no, i built a clock over the weekend, i wanted to bring it in. then what happens next? >> yes. it's what happened before. before i showed they are clock i voluntarily wanted to show it to her. i told her "do you want to see my clock?" and she said sure. >> and then at what point did you find out that you were in trouble? >> the point write saw a police officer and the principal. >> they came into your classroom? >> yes, and they -- they took me out. i got all my stuff. >> they said "get your stuff, come with us" and where did you go? >> i went to an interrogation room filled with four other officers. >> an interrogation room in your school? >> it's a school resources room. i call it the interrogation room because that's where i got interrogated.

>> so they put you in a chair and there's five officers total and the principal. did you ask them "can i talk to my parents? can i call my parents and tell them what's going on?" >> yes. yes. >> and what did they say? >> they were -- they told me no, you can't call your parents, you here in the middle of an interrogation at the moment. >> and what kind of things did they ask you? >> they asked me a couple of times "is it a bomb?" and i answered a couple of times "it's a clock." >> and that didn't seem to satisfy them? >> no. >> how long were you in that room? >> about an hour and twenty-five minutes, an hour. around an hour and twenty-five. so what else were they asking you beside "it is a bomb" if you were in there for an hour and a half? >> they asked me why i would bring a clock to school and i had explained to them that i brought it to school to show my teachers, to impress them.

>> so eventually after an hour and a half is that when they handcuffed you? >> yes. >> did they say "you're under arrest" or "you're being charged"? >> they told me i was under arrest and i asked them for what crime and they were like for a hoax bomb. >> how did you feel? >> i felt -- i felt like i was a criminal. i felt like i was a terrorist. i felt like all the names i was called. >> what do you mean all the names you were called? >> i was called -- in middle school i was called a terrorist, called a bomb maker just because of my race. and religion. >> wait, you've been called that before by just -- by kids in your school? >> yes. >> and were the officers saying things like that to you?

>> one of the officers did comment on me walking in the room. >> what did he say? >> he got back if the recline chair and he relaxed and he was like -- he said "that's who i thought it was." >> and what did you take that to mean? >> i took it to mean that he was pointing at me for what i am, my race and he took it -- he took it at me because i was a -- i was just a student, i never had any contact with him, i never talked to him. >> aaliyah, when did you -- when did the parents and you find out about what happened to ahmed? >> so the parents found out when they finally did contact him, his parents, when they were the jail when they were at the place station there in irving. so they finally contacted the parents even though ahmed repeatedly asked for them to get his parents involved and they

repeatedly refused until once at the police station his family, his mother and his father and sister, went up there. some of the pictures that are circulating on social media are thanks to his sister's quick thinking. she took some pictures. she recorded some information which was really helpful. after that in the evening time we were notified about the case situation and then met with the family the following morning to get the details of what had happened. >> ahmed was just talking about having been called a terrorist before just in school. can you give us a little context of sort of what life for nokes the islamic community around dallas-fort worth is like? particularly in irving? >> well, in the north texas area, we've -- especially in 2015, we've seen our fair share of increases in hate crimes and negative sentiments towards the muslim community but this is something, frankly, that's

happening across the nation so ahmed's story is unfortunately not uncommon. it's something that we're seeing repeated in schools across the country and jobs across the country, a lot of employment discrimination we're seeing. but in irving in particular we're concerned because there has been recently a very negative climate in focus comparing to the muslim community so we have had concerns that some of this sentiment, some of this is a result of that growing negative sentiment in irving from recent events. >> ahmed, i'm sure you have seen throughout the day this outpouring of support for you from all over the place. hillary clinton said "assumptions and fear don't keep us safe, they hold us back, ahmed stay curious and keep building." mark zuckerberg said you can visit facebook. the president of the united states said "cool clock, ahmed, want to bring it to the white house? we should inspire more kids like you to like science, it's what makes america great." how do you feel about this tremendous outpouring of

support? >> i feel really well after because before i didn't think i was going to get any support because i'm a muslim boy so i thought it was just going to be another victim of injustice but thanks to my supporters on social media i got this far thanks to you guys. and the way i see it is -- >> continue, sorry. >> i see it as a way of people sending a message to the rest of the world that just because something happens to you because of you you are, no matter what you do, people will always have your back. >> and has that been true with the kids in your school? friends and folks like that? have you been getting some support locally as well? >> yes. i've been getting a lot of support locally. irving, texas. >> that's great. >> overwhelming. >> i want to bring? someone else whose voiced their support for ahmed. dr. shonda prescott weinstein, an astrophysicist at m.i.t. which ahmed has called his dream

school. doctor, you're there. anything you want to say to ahmed about m.i.t. and what kind of place it would be should he want to check you out there? >> ahmed, i'm so happy that you're coming out on top and i just want to say by the way you are my ideal student -- a creative independent thinker like you is the kind of person who should be becoming a physicist. as a theoretical physicist i would love if you took an interest in the mathematical side although you're clearly adept with your hands and building things so i hope you'll think about theoretical physics. if there's any possibility that you can visit us at m.i.t. i would love to give you a tour of the center for theoretical physics and the institute for astrophysics and i'm hearing from my former advisors at harvard college that they would love for you to come to the center for astrophysics, the harvard smithsonian center so i hope you'll visit us in cambridge. it would be fantastic to have you. you are the kind of student that we want at places like m.i.t. and harvard.

>> ahmed, are you going to -- obviously it's a plane flight but maybe you can check it out. i know it's early for college, you're only 14, but these things start early these days. >> yeah, that's -- that's a fact right there. [ laughter ] ahmed mohamed, alia salem, shonda prescod weinstein, thank you for being here. ahmed, there are a lot of people who have your back and thank you for coming on. you're a remarkably poised young man. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> all right, guys. still to come, niceties aside, don't forget bernie sanders and hillary clinton are fighting for the presidency. we might have the first sign the gloves are off. democrats still have over three weeks before their first debate. i'll talk to the chair of the dnc about the controversy around that schedule and later more from my interview with mayor of new york bill de blasio. those stories and more ahead.

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thus far, the democratic primary fight has been civil compared to the nastiness we've seen on the republican side with the two leading candidates in

the democratic party, hillary clinton and bernie sanders, thus far electing steadfastly not to directly attack each other. the truce may be starting to crack as we first reported yesterday, "correct the record" a new kind of super pac that can coordinate directly with clinton's campaign on messaging, that super pac went negative, sending an e-mail to the huffington post linking sanders to venezuela's hugo chavez and the "extreme comments" by jeremy corbett. that prompted sanders to hit back writing in a fund-raising e-mail that the pro-clinton campaign super pac unleashed a vicious attack that was "the kind of onslaught i would expect to see from the koch brothers or sheldon adelson." david brock was asked yesterday what his group is up to. >> is this the beginning of a greater onslaught? do you see this as your role to do the dirty work against the clinton campaign? >> there's no dirty work involved here. >> hugo chavez? that's pretty dirty work. >> this is a political campaign

and you have to draw contrast. that's part of the process. joining me now, former michigan governor jennifer granholm, senior advisor for correct the record, a surrogate for clinton's presidential campaign. look, you know politics. you've been in politics, it is inevitable that at a certain point it's going to be negative. there will be contrasts drawn, distinctions drawn, probably charges levels between different primary campaign, hillary clinton and bernie sanders in particular. >> it is the worst part of running for office is that sometimes you have a fight in the home team and i know it makes democrats -- i'm sure it makes republicans uncomfortable, too. the fact that on the democratic side it's been a love fest on the republican side, obviously i'm here at the debate and it has been a slug fest but in every campaign everybody's going to try to unearth contrast material.

>> do you think the contrast that hillary clinton is likely to draw is basically that bernie sanders is too extreme? that he's too politically left? that he's associated with fringe figures like hugo chavez as was mentioned in this david brock e-mail? is that the contrast you imagined the clinton campaign drawing? >> i don't think so. i don't think that's the kind of thing that she would be uttering. she has been entirely positive. i've been with her on a lot of occasions and she has just been ultimately very positive, particularly about bernie sanders. i think they have a good relationship and she likes him but i think that eventually on both sides -- on all sides and all of these candidates they will unearth material that draws a contrast. >> do you think there's also an interesting division of labor that's going to shape up because we are now in the super pac era in which it's far easier for an organization like correct the

record or other super pacs or surrogates that are not the clinton campaign to be doing that kind of thing? to be working reporters or sending out oppo or running adds and the campaign itself can say "we're not going negative"? >> this is my hope, chris, that this is a last election where we ever see any of this happening. i know correct the record is a super pac and i was affiliated with it and i was the co-chair of another one, priorities usa but as i said i hope this is the last time we have a super pac election because we elect a president who will appoint a supreme court that reinterprets citizens united. >> jennifer granholm there in simi valley, a political pro herself, really appreciate you joining us tonight. thanks a lot. >> you bet. thanks, chris. still ahead, my interview with mayor bill de blasio about the 2016 race and more. stay with us. i like to... no. not you. papa? we have this great kick-off special we're excited about.

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i think it's fair to say that most of the country's political attention right now seems to be focused on republican presidential candidates. part of the reason far is that there are 16 republicans running for white house compared to half a dozen democrats. there's also one in particular on the republican side. but if republican candidates are getting more airtime, by the time democrats get around to holding their first debate on october 13 in nevada, the republicans will have already had two opportunities to debate their way closer to the presidency. right now republicans have at least 11 debates scheduled and unless debbie debbie wasserman schultz decides to reexamine things, it looks like republican candidates will get more

exposure. i spoke debbie wasserman schultz and ask her to respond to what martin o'malley said when he said who was responsible for limiting the debates. >> i assume it's the chair of the democratic party. it certainly wasn't the dean see -- dnc members who gave me a standing ovation when i said we're committing malpractice by not saying anything. >> so he's saying it was you and you alone that crafted this debate schedule. is that true? is that accurate? >> no. it's not at all true. we worked not only with the campaigns but with our networks to build a robust and diverse group of debates and consulted -- i consulted with former dnc chairs as well as party officials across the state parties and came up with a six-debate schedule that we think is going to be the right

balance to make shoo you are our candidates are able to spend the time they need to do the grass-roots retail campaigning that is essential for those voters to kick the tires and also to allow for a variety of other platforms for our candidates to be able to be seen and heard in. we got overwhelmed the last time we had an open primary. there were 26 debates, six sanctioned dnc debates in '04 and '08 like we have now but it was important to make sure we not let that process get out of control so we can make sure our candidates are able to reach the voters and be able to showcase and contrast themselves from one another and, of course, from the circus on the other side of the aisle. >> two points on this. one is that the o'malley campaign says you never negotiated with them. are they not telling the truth? >> yeah, i'm not going to hurl accusations or debate any of our candidates in the press or

privately. we most definitely consulted with and talked with each campaign. all of the candidates, campaigns agreed to participate including martin o'malley's in the six dnc sanctioned debates agreed to the rules and i can understand that martin o'malley has the position he does but there is -- there are some differing opinions as we always have in our party buts in the right balance. i think we came together and made a good solid decision and when we start in just about a month our candidates are going to have an opportunity to draw a dramatic contrast between 15, 16 candidates that are there on the republican side who are doubling down on extremism and any of our candidates who are going to be continuing to talk about how to help folks build those cornerstones in middle-class life. that's what we're focused on. >> obviously certain candidates are going to want more time,

right? but there has been criticism from other folks. this is deb kozakowski from the vice chairman of from massachusetts she said "how do i tell them they're restricted? they're watching all these republicans get airtime." has it been detrimental to have these six weeks, two months in which republicans are debating and democrats aren't? >> chris, we have a robust schedule and we have 450 dnc members and 57 state party chairs with our state parties in the territories. like i said there's a smattering of opinion in the dnc that we should have more than six but i have a party to run. i have to make sure we can get our party in the strongest possible shape so we can support our nominee. we have just rolled out a muscular expansion of our dnc finance team. we have six debates. our candidates will have plenty

of opportunity. i just hung up with a state party chair just as i was coming over here who said unsolicited, debbie, six debates the fine. they thought there should be fewer so there are opinions all over the map. i've got to make sure i balance everybody's concerns and make sure that our candidates get the most exposure to the voters they need. >> debbie wasserman schultz, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. coming up, as the crisis continues in europe, my interview with senator dick durbin about his call to allow more refugees into the u.s. that's next. ? it's evil. and ladders. sfx: [screams] they have all those warnings on 'em. might as well say... 'you're gonna die, jeff.' you hired someone to clean the gutters. not just someone. angie's list helped me find a highly rated service provider to do the work at a fair price. ♪ everyone can shop, but members get more with reviews, live customer support, and better pricing. come see what the new angie's list can do for you.

it was an ugly and desperate scene at one of hungary's newly reinforced border crosses with serbia as a crowd of refugees tried to break down a gate that has been blocked by authorities for days. hungarian police using tear gas on the crowd and when that did not deter those struggling to break through, the police moved on to water cannons. some young people retaliated at the show of force by throwing rocks and other projectiles over the gate. these latest images out of central europe are giving the rest of the world yet another

disturbing look into not just a growing physical crisis in europe but a moral one. the white house recently announced a change in policy noting the u.s. will accept at least 10,000 syrian refugees over the next year. but some are saying that doesn't go far enough. senator dick durbin of illinois was one of 14 senators who urged president obama back in may to allow more syrian refugees to resettle in the u.s. i had the chance to take talk with him and get his reaction to the white house's latest policy shift. >> it's a move in the right direction but it's too modest. we need to do more. when it came to accepting cuban refugees when we were dealing with those in the soviet union, persecuted jews, the somalians, bosnians, we have had a good refugee effort to try to do our part in the world effort. i think we can do better. >> do you have a sense of what that number should be? i mean, there's an interesting debate unfolding in the presidential campaign, martin o'malley has called for 65,000 refugees to be welcomed to the u.s. obviously germany, which is much

closer to the source of those refugees is taking 800,000. is there a number you think we should be thinking about? >> my goal is 100,000. and i reach that goal in light of the magnitude of this humanitarian crisis and also the response i'm finding in illinois and other places. i sat down on friday with four syrian families that have made it to the united states as refugees. their stories were heartbreaking about what they've been through. the deaths in their family, the displacement. they've lost everything. they said they couldn't believe how welcoming the united states was. now they've all been carefully vetted and everyone we bring in should be carefully vetted. but i believe there's a feeling this n this united states, a compassion and a caring that many communities, many churches and temples and synagogues will reach out with open arms to help bring these people into the united states. >> what do you say to people that say either we have enough problems or in the case of mike huckabee these might be people who "just want cable tv." more to the words of your

colleague congressman peter king across the other part of the capital "we don't want another boston marathon bombing." >> well, let me just tell you, i hope that those voice and that point of view, i hope they don't prevail. that's not who we are as americans. we are not a nation of hate and fear, we are a nation of hope. we are a nation that reaches out and shows that we care about people around the world. and when i hear minister huckabee talk about these people just wanting cable tv, i wish the minister would take a moment and sit down with some of these syrian families and hear their heartbreaking stories about what they've been through. >> there is a line of attack that i've heard, a crescendo on the right among republicans, your colleague john mccain, basically saying the problem here is barack obama, the problem is barack obama's syria policy has failed, he did not intervene decisively enough, the u.s. dithered, that's what's causing the problem. what's your response to that?

>> in the world of dithering, i hope we include the fact that when the president came to congress and asked for the clear authority to go after chemical weapons in syria we passed it through the foreign relations committee and, i might add, john mccain voted with the president as i did. but then it stalled completely on the floors of the house and the senate. they were unwilling to take it up because of the republican opposition to the president even removing chemical weapons from syria, from assad's arsenal. so if you look carefully at the record, surely everyone could have done something different, something better. when the president tried to engage congress on a bipartisan basis to stand behind him, precious few would step forward to do it. >> it seems almost crazy to talk about this but i have to because it's now in front of us. there's talk of another shutdown. there's 15 days until the deadline. you are beginning to hear a certain part of the house republican caucus attacks house leadership and senator mcconnell in the senate, basically saying they will shut down the government over funding for

planned parenthood's non-abortion services, all sorts of women's health services. do you think that's likely? and what's the game plan as we head towards the deadline? >> we've seen this movie before. senator ted cruz, who opposed the affordable care act which is now provided by health care for 16 million americans, he opposed it so much he shut down the government and he did it for several weeks and the tea party republicans were right behind him saying it was the right thing to do. well, eventually they came to their senses, we reopened the government and when they did the polling people said "what has happened to this republican party? if they believe shutting down our government, denying basic services of our government is some proof of how good and positive they are, they're wrong." now they want to preplay that movie, another movie some 16 months before an election. i think the american people will remember the old one. >> senator durbin, i'm struck by that 100,000 number. that's something we'll be pursuing and talking to all the presidential candidates and

aspirants, talking to other members of the senate and the house when we have them on this program to see if they agree with you. i think that's a strong marker. thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up, we just entered the first week of football season and football fan or not, you have probably been bombarded by these ads. questions are being raised about legalized gambling.

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progressive leaders working with a progressive agenda. you can find at progressiveagenda.us. that set of values is being talked about by almost all the presidential candidates. so it's changes happening now within the national debate and the democratic party. i should say on some of the issues, carried surprise loophole is a great example of this, is the way hedge fund managers are get a huge tax advantage. that's being addressed by people like jeb bush and donald trump i think there's something bigger happening, the whole debate on income inequality reaching down the grass-roots and becoming much more of an electoral issue. it permeating what we see through the presidential candidates so i hope we have a special moment that could be a moment of profound progressive change. >> you mentioned donald trump who has basically not in any formal way because there's only

one white paper on his weapon site. -- web site. do you think donald trump is qualified to be president? >> i certainly won't be voting for donald trump and it's hard to analyze various facets of the trump phenomenon. so much of what he said will ultimately alienate him from the american people. we've seen some real interesting moments in american politics where someone's hot for a period of time. i can tell you plenty of examples of folks who look like they were sure thing and then suddenly were gone. i think the issue here is the frustration with the status quo is becoming much more tangible and a lot of that is progressive. and the fact that even a donald trump or a jeb bush has to talk about closing the carried interest loophole says that there is an anger out there in this country about a status quo not working for working people and that we're rewarding wealth instead of work and so i think that's the bigger underlying current that's actually going to have a lot to say about the outcome.

>> so talking about the campaign you have here and now actually having the job. i've watched numerous times in which you can build consensus around certain policies and you think you're going to be pushing on an open door and then it turns like it's been nailed shut. there's been 150 tons of steel behind it. that was true. we saw it with obamacare, we've seen in the the stop and frisk policies here. have you learned things about what it takes to get from point "a" to point "b." >> obamacare ultimately succeeded. do we wish it had been a smoother road? of course. pre-k is succeeding. the reduction of stop and frisk has succeeded and crime is down. i think these things are possible. it involve asnes audacity. i think all we need to learn we got from franklin delano

roosevelt in the first hundred days, audacity, speed, bringing the people along early in the process. that's when i think progressive change happens. >> but you also -- i mean, to me the lesson also is you pay a cost politically for that. barack obama passed obamacare which i think in the future will be looked at as a great achievement. i think it will be politically popular, but it was not popular at the time. the polling shows it, he got punished at the polls, his approval rating went down. you've experienced that. you've had approval ratings go down a bit. i think my personal opinion is you're paying the cost of that. >> i think it's the other way around. when you achieve these policies that affect hundreds of thousands or millions of people, that wins the day. people experience it. they feel the material impact of a policy that served them. they start to feel less anger about a status quo that deserted them and see policies that support them materially.

it doesn't happen overnight. in our case, pre-k, for example, 53,000 kids last year, 65,000 kids this year. that's a lot of new yorkers being positively affected by a policy that's brand new. sveum the affordable housing policy. same with reduction of stop and frisk. 700,000 kids were stopped in 2011, now they're not. >> but opponents come after you. whether it's tea party rallies or the front page of the "new york post," they'll come. is. >> every good progressive should recognize that. they came for barack obama, he got reelected and reelected handily so i think the point here is be resolute, be consistent, be as fast as possible in achieving a core set of early definitional victories that actually reach people's lives. that's what i've learned. >> what is your relationship

with the governor like right now? >> look, the governor and i have known each other for a long time. we obviously have real areas of disagreement. real ideological differences. >> have you talked recently? >> oh, we talk, certainly. >> was it a mistake to call him out? >> i'm very comfortable when i express my views and do it from the that is right that's the right thing to do. but i think the bigger question is not about personalities, it's about how we move the political dialogue and how we change things. the governor came out with the $15 minimum wage. i called far in my state of the city address in february, that's something our progressive agenda made a core plank of back in may and that's the fight for 15 i think is one of the best things we've mean? a long time in this country has been extraordinarily successful movement. that's what changes people. that's what moves things and so sometimes i think kind of a very

strong dialogue is what helps to move things. >> final question -- are you excited to meet the pope? >> absolutely. the pope is playing a role in the world today that i can't find a previous parallel for. john xxiii had such a reach, but this pope, the combination of how he touches people, the sheer physicality and the way he embraces people of all kinds. his willingness to speak truth, obviously a progressive agenda rooted in previous struggles i don't think popes before have experienced. what he said about poverty and income inequality, the challenges he's made to the free enterprise system to reform itself, what he said about climate change, the encyclical, it was an extraordinary, sharp, powerful document.

i think he's the leading progressive voice in the world today. i do, and i don't think i would have expected to say that about a pope but i don't think there is any doubt. >> mayor bill de blasio, real pressure. >> thank you. we're following breaking news after an 8.3 quake struck off the coast of central chile. moments ago a buoy off the coast registered a 15-foot water rise which indicates tsunami waves but it's unclear if the waves are heading towards land. the quake hit west of illapel and the mayor says one person has died. the town is currently without power. the quake was felt throughout central chile and western argentina. officials in the u.s. have issued a tsunami watch for hawaii. that's "all in." the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening. >> we'll keep an eye on that as well. as chris mentioned, a tsunami watch issued for hawaii. the early indications can be scary, they don't always end up being a scary thing, particularly given the direction

in which these things move over the course of the -- over the surface of the ocean but we'll watch that closely tonight and let you know as we learn more. but thank you for joining us. thank you for being with us. let's be honest, i know why you're here. the republican party is hosting its second presidential candidates debate tonight the second of the two debates being hosted on cnn is three hours long. in the three-hour debate, the candidates are being given one bathroom break over the course of the three hours and that comes after another two hours of a different subset of candidates who were made to debate first and separately from the larger group. so that is five straight hours of republicans talking. and i know why you're here. sometimes that feels like too much republicans talking.