donald. >> i hear phenomenal thing. i hear your wife is a buhl woman. >> she is. why don't you apologize to her. >> no, i won't do that. >> you were forced to file for bankruptcy not once, four times. a record four times. why should we trust you to manage the finances of this nation? >> and we don't need an apprentice in the white house. we don't need an apprentice in the white house. we have one right now. >> really there's a sophomoric quality that is entertaining about mr. trump. is visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness, that happened in junior high. are we not way above that? would we not all be worried to have someone like that in charge of the nuclear arsenal? >> today many politicos awarding the best performance to carly fiorina who had both the most tweeted moments of the debate, we'll talk about that in a moment. the former humt pa eer hewlett-

appeared on the "today" show. >> i was very satisfied with the debate. when i went in half the audience didn't know my name and didn't know i was running for president. i successfully introduced myself to those who did not know me and demonstrated once again that i'm the most qualified candidate on that stage to win this job and to do this job. >> also giving jeb bush and marco rubio high marks. both needed a boost to their sagging poll numbers. the candidates atop the polls, trump and carson that many say underwhelmed. now the front-runner certainly disagrees. trump is in all-important new hampshire tonight. he's holding a town hall. that's where we find nbc's hallie jackson following the campaign. trump was on the defense most of last night. what's the mood there ahead of tonight's event? >> people seem really excited to see him. we expect maybe 3,000 to 4,000 people here in rochester for this donald trump rally. he's one of the few candidates that's made it back from the east coast to do events today.

we'll see more tomorrow in south carolina at a heritage forum. the mood among supporters, i spoke with a few of them. they thought it was a good performance. some were concerned about the name calling. but they liked his energy, his attitude. there seems to be a bit of a wait and see mentality. folks here recognize that this is a long campaign season. it is still only september. and a lot can change between now and when we first start to see the caucuses and the voting early next year. >> all right, hallie jackson on the road for us. thank you very much for now. since we're going to turn to rebecca bird at real clear politics and publisher at the federalist and the host of federalist radio hour. hello to both of you. >> good to be with you. >> i want to start with you, ben. i'm looking down here at some of the important stuff we talked about. carly fiorina i just mentioned in the lead. take a listen to this. >> women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said.

i dare hillary clinton, barack obama to watch these tapes. watch a fully formed fetus on the table. its heart beating. its legs kicking. while someone says, we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain. this is about the character of our nation. and if we will not stand up and force president obama to veto this bill, shame on us. >> ben, from a conservative p perspecti perspective, how do you think she did. >> i think carly fiorina did an incredible job. great to see how far she's come since she ran for the senate a few years ago. you saw repeatedly on every question that was put to her, whatever the topic, she usually came out with the best answer and the most forceful answer. the most interesting question for me going forward is where does carly's momentum come from ? who is the person she takes

supports and votes away from? we've seen donald trum say look at all the polls. i'm leading all the polls. i wonder if that will still be true going forward or if there are other candidates that will have people peel off and support her. she gave an impassioned answer to the audience. >> she stuck the landing on every big point she made, rebec rebecca. i want to think also about the other establishment candidates because bush and rubio did look better than the pirs time they went up against this very unpredictable trump show. look at jeb bush in trying to defend his brother in something that may not be a point of consensus among voters or the republican base right now. >> you know what? as it relates to my brother, there's one thing i know for sure. he kept us safe. >> does that work for today's republican party? >> well, that's an interesting question. i think we're about to see. jeb bush's campaign had a really positive reaction to that moment.

they thought it showed him being fiery, impassioned and also confident defending his brother's legacy which has been a big problem for him to this point. but i'm not sure if giving george w. bush's legacy a big bear hug is necessarily what jeb bush needs to be doing at this point to distinguish himself and to prove that he is, in fact, as he says, his own man. in a republican primary especially it might not be a very popular message. >> ben, to the extent that jeb wants to make that argument, shouldn't he be making it more forward looking on what kind of foreign policy he wants to offer and not backward looking from a political perspective. it doesn't seem he needs to own every part of the bush legacy. there are military experts who think what we uncorked in the middle east from the war in iraq has not made america more safe. >> actually jeb had a pretty good performance compared to his initial performance in the debate. he was much better at handling the trump phenomenon and dealing

with that. when it comes to this question, we just came out of the anniversary of 9/11. they have this document about george w. bush and the pitch he threw. being more appreciative of the former president. jeb has a difficult path to navigate. one thing is how he reacts to the next couple of weeks in washington where republican leaders are on the cusp of from a lot of different people's perspectives caving on fiscal matters, on planned parenthood, on this iran deal, not being able to block anything that this administration wants. how is jeb bush going to respond to that scenario which would seem to benefit a lot of the outsider candidates who make the argument that republicans in washington can't get anything done. >> looking more broadly what we're learning two debates in, in the early part of the last cycle in 2012, there are about 3 million people tuning into these debates this early. look at these numbers here. we had 24 million for fox last

time. some people said, well, that was the first one, that was trump. last night we now know about 23 million people watching on cnn. this isn't double or triple. this is some sort of wider political culture moment here. which debate do you think was better? >> well, hard to really gauge which was better because both offered us very illuminating moments into what these candidates are going to be like on the campaign trail moving forward. and both gave us greater insight into donald trump as a candidate which is the big story of the moment. but look, i think this is a cultural phenomenon at this point. it is not only about donald trump. i mean, this is about people taking a look at the republican party and seeing something they haven't seen before. and that's personally donald trump but you're also seeing the most diverse field that the republican party has ever had really. >> yeah. >> and some of the most interesting candidates the party has ever fielded. >> yeah. >> this is a moment for the republican party that is very unique. >> i think you're saying

something really important, rebecca. ben, you think about the cliche, there's something for everyone. there really is when you look at how much was on offer last night. one of the mistakes that we see reporters make and washington make is wanting to figure out what the story is, get ahead of what's actually happening out there, what the voters will decide and telling us this or that person is the front-runner. thing of marco rubio. how about the way he stepped out, someone we heard he's not resonate, yada, yada from the political sort of media establishment. but last night if you were just tuning in, you would have thought here's an interesting guy. >> we make the mistake oftentimes in washington in particular of assuming that voters are paying a lot of attention to who all these guys are. in a lot of cases this really is a moment of introduction for a lot of these candidates. rubio had a very good performance. it will be interesting to see where he goes from here. but to rebecca's point, for decades really, the republican party has always gone in the track of nominating somebody who ran before.

nominating a known quantity. nominating someone who came in second. this time around what you're seeing is that's not the case. mike huckabee was the one guy on stage who has really gone for this in terms of the main debate. you have rick santorum related to the under card. there's definitely an appetite in the republican party right now for new faces, nor outsider faces. that's being born out in the early days of this election. >> to your point, marco rubio agrees with that because his big selling point last night that the average viewer wouldn't have known. hey, by the way, i'm not running for re-election. i don't want to go become to washington in this broken senate. he wants to come back as president or not at all, trying to turn that into his strength. we talked a lot about republicans. let's look over to one democrat who appeared here on nbc with jimmy fallon last night and hadability of trump inside the segment as well. here's what we mean by that. >> you want to win? here's what you got to do. first, yell.

i yell all the time. next, pick three things everyone loves and say you hate them. watch. puppies, stupid. rainbows, total losers. fall foliage, tree puberty. are you writing all this down? >> hold on. let me grab my pen. >> we could all reach for a drink sometimes on the campaign trail. now, rebecca, that is the real hillary clinton with the fake donald trump. trump has been trying to show that he can be serious. everyone i think knows that hillary clinton can be a serious policy person. what does it mean that she's trying so hard to be fun right now? >> it's funny because donald trump is lately trying to show that he has a little more gravitas and he can tone down this public persona that people have been so entertained by. hillary finds herself in the

opposite position. people know she has the gravitas to serve as president but aren't really drawn to her as a person, drawn to her character. so she has to do the exact opposite. she needs to channel her inner donald trump a little bit and be a little more entertaining out there and charismatic. we can see that this is her trying to do that, going on these late night television shows. going on ellen degeneres recently. but we'll see if that has an effect. >> ben, was she funny? >> you know, i find the clinton situation to be very difficult in the sense that, from her perspective, she's been very dismissive of this talk about her e-mails for such a long time basically saying had was a nonstory trying to do these things to basically humanize herself. i'm not sure that's the right tactic. she needed to be more serious to a certain degree at this stage, to be more serious in terms of engaging and having serious interviews about these topics, being more forthcoming, more authentic in that regard. because that's really what's

hurting her ability to catch fire right now. i think that's what's giving so many of the other candidates a chance in terms of what you've seen from bernie sanders and some of the numbers if joe biden were to get in. asserting her seriousness at this point would be a better approach than trying to humanize herself. >> you mentioned seriousness and bernie. he spent the debate night going online with his reactions. he's got a minority base there, an excited base online while she was doing this as a counterpunch. a very different style. thank you both. >> good to be with you. up next, who told the biggest white lie last night? we're fact checking the debate with "the washington post." and a hero's welcome at the white house. meet the three americans who stopped that terror attack and a preliminary hearing to decide if former p.o.w. bowe bergdahl should face trial by court-martial. ♪

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you know, with three hours of politicians hurling accusations last night, fact checkers had their hands full. we brought in one of the best to give us his play by play. fact checkier for "the washington post" glen kessler. how are you? >> good. it was a late night. >> a lot for you to go through. i read your long article today. we've got highlights with sound. let's show jeb and trump having a little factual dispute. >> the one guy that had some special interest that i know of that tried to get me to change my views on something that was generous and gave me money was donald trump. he wanted casino gambling in florida. >> i did not. >> yes, you did.

>> totally false. >> you wanted it. i was opposed to casino gambling before, during and after. i'm not going to be bought by anyone. >> i promise if i wanted it, i would have gotten it. >> trump says if he wanted it, he would have gotten it. he says basically jeb's not telling the truth. what did you find? >> you know, the facts are on jeb bush's side there. trump definitely wanted to have casino gambling in florida and bush definitely blocked him from doing it. so it's rather curious that trump would so flatly deny that he actually wanted to do something, which he talked about wanting to do most recently in an article we had in "the washington post" that described this whole proposal of his which didn't get far because of jeb bush. >> right, even if his memory wasn't good on this, it had been recently reported in your paper. so score that one for bush. carly fiorina talking about her record. take a listen. >> despite those difficult times, we doubled the size of

the company, we quadrupled its top line growth rate, we quadrupled its cash flow, we tripled its rate of innovation. >> is she being factual in how she describes her tenure? >> no. not really. those are all pretty much statistics that i had previously fact checked. i actually gave her three pinocchios for that series of claims. doubling the revenue, that was because she acquired another computer company, compaq in what turned out to be a very bad bet on the pc she bought at the top of the market before pc sales crashed. quadrupling the growth rate was a very bad case of cherry picking. actually, the growth rate was about 7% the year before she got there, it was about 3% when she left. it actually went down. then tripling the rate of innovation. she's talking about patents, which may be one way to measure it, but it wasn't tripling the rate. the rate was actually barely doubled. >> right.

and obviously that's an issue where people can debate what metric should be used. you're putting a context on it. ultimately the people in charge of that company also had a negative view of her tenure and ousted her. and i think that's something other candidates have brought up. i think one of the most concerning and potentially far reaching factual problems last night came on this discussion of vaccines and autism. this is a public health issue. this is something a lot of people care about in their homes and everyday lives. take a listen. >> we have extreme ly well documented proof that there's no autism associated with vaccinations. but it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time. and a lot of pediatricians now recognize that and i think are cutting down on the number and the proximity in which those are done. >> that's dr. carson responding to what some of trump had said before. we're not reairing the trump

part which i think could confuse people about the facts. but we will add before your response, a statement from the american academy of ped yacht rix. they don't have a dog in the political fight, but they say there's no alternative immunization schedule. delaying vaccines only leaves a child at risk for disease for a longer period of time. vaccines work, plain and simple. vaccines are one of the most effective medical innovations of our time. pediatricians partner with parents to provide what is best for their child. and what is best for children is to be fully vaccinated. >> well, that's right. and what was interesting there is that you had trump put out some very bad misinformation about an alleged link between autism and vaccines which has been disproven over and over again most recently in yet another study. yet you also had dr. carson and trump and rand paul, another doctor, talk about the idea that you can -- you should give

freedom to parents to decide the pace of vaccinations. which is the statement you just read is not something that actually most pediatricians would support. >> right, and so what is concerning to you about the factual perspective, our focus in this segment here is, there might be a policy debate about how much freedom or libertarianism foeblg libertari ism folks want. that's the legitimate debate. but does it concern you that 23 million people watching that, a random viewer might get the impression that there is something wrong with vaccinations and that's not what the science tells us? >> right. i simply deal in the facts. i don't offer opinions. but one could argue that perhaps it's a matter of whether you should have pacing of vaccinations, but the problem is when people such as donald trump make ill-informed statements about links that have never been

documented, that is a problem because it might cause people not to get any vaccinations let alone space them out inappropriately, and that can have health consequences. >> right, absolutely. also ted cruz spoke about the iran deal. you wrote about that. what did you find with regard to his concerns about how that would be implemented? >> he talked about, for instance, he talked about under the agreement it would take 24 days before there would be an inspection of a facility. actually, almost all the facilities are continuously monitored. he appears to be referencing undeclared military facilities. 24 days is actually the ceiling, not the floor. so it's an example of how in many cases with that nuclear agreement na the facts have been twisted. >> and any other final thoughts you have when you look over this debate, just speaking factually, compared to other debates, we talked a lot about more interest, more excitement

lately. is there any way you can ballpark whether there were more or less factual concerns compared to some of the other debates you covered? >> i covered all 23 debates four years ago. there were quite a few misstatements then. it will be interesting to see when the democrats come along. we've documented a number of misstatements that hillary clinton and bernie sanders have made. this time we did 18. last debate with did 21. but still going through the transcript and i keep finding things that we need to fact check. so it seems par for the course at the moment. >> it's a part of politics where you're not going to be unemployed if you want to fact check. glenn kessler, thanks for sharing your work with us. >> you're welcome. the federal reserve keeping key interest rates today at record lows. that might sound like good news but the fed can cite large concerns about the global economy and their reasoning. an earthquake in chile covering mass evacuations and

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helping to bridge the digital divide. developing now, at least ten people are dead and another missing after a massive 8.3 magnitude earthquake struck off the coast of chile. more than 1 million residents now have been evacuated after a 15-foot tsunami. advisories are in effect for southern california as well. joining us from santiago, gabe gutierrez. >> reporter: things are back to normal here at santiago's airport. but coastal communities here in chile are still assessing the damage. at a magnitude of 8.3, this is the strongest earthquake on earth so far this year. more than a million people were evacuated fearing a tsunami. parts of the coast saw waves of up to 15 feet. the quake was centered about 175 miles from santiago, chile's

capital city. and a tsunami alert has expired here in chile but warnings as far off as hawaii and southern california, thousands of miles from the quake. much smaller waves were expected there. there were several strong after shocks here. this is a country that is prone to earthquakes. the strongest one ever recorded on earth happened in 196 o here. a magnitude 9.5 on the richter scale. since then, there have been changes to building codes and warning systems and that may have saved lives in this case. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, sant xwr -- santiago, chile. to decide whether bowe bergdahl should be charged for deserti desertion. he left his post, was captured by the taliban and released five

years later in exchange for five guantanamo bay prisoners. we're following that case in san antonio with the latest. more details surrounding his disappearance. tell us what you know. >> bergdahl has not spoken much in the courtroom other than to tell the judge, yes, he understands the charges against him. but we're hearing from his platoon captain, captain john billings says there was a frantic search in the days and weeks and hours after -- that bergdahl disappeared from his remote army base in eastern afghanistan on june 30th, 2009. they searched for two months but could not find him. he was released in a controversial prisoner exchange last summer. five taliban prisoners exchanged for bowe bergdahl. he was interrogated by the army and then later charged with desertion and the lesser known charge of behavior before the -- i'm sorry, desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. that's a more serious charge. in fact, it carries a life

sentence if he is found -- in fact the court-martial goes through. we're not there yet, the judge has to listen to all the testimony in the next few hours and days before deciding to move this case on to a court-martial for bowe bergdahl. ari sh. >> charles hadlock, thank you for that report. now good news for you. president obama welcoming those three heroes who helped thwart that terror attack on a paris train last month. the president expressing gratitude that he shares with french president hollande. >> he could not have been more grateful for what these three outstanding young americans did. and i just wanted to make sure that, having talked to them on the phone right after the event, that i had a chance to shake their hands in person and to tell them what i think they've heard from a lot of people, which is they represent the very best of america. >> we now go to nbc news senior

white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, this is one of those stories that is so exciting and great to cover. what can you tell us about these heroes that a lot of people are looking up to today? >> well, not bad being honored by two presidents, right. the president mentioned french president hollande who gave them france's highest honor. and now they get to go into the oval office and sit down and talk with president obama. and i can tell you, hearing from somebody who was inside that room before the cameras got to go in, it was a very personal conversation that the president had with them, asking them how they were doing, as you probably remember. spencer stone, one of them who thwarted this attack on a high-speed train had his hand injured. he's said to be doing very well. the president making a little joke afterwards talking about the appearance by alek skarlatos on "dancing with the stars."

that was a quick turnaround for that show. but mostly it really was what the president said, that he just wanted to thank them, to shake their hand. he asked them what they wanted to do next. they said they'd like to continue to have an opportunity to inspire people. and while they're having this oval office meeting, their families were in the white house, i'm told and getting a tour. when the president heard that, he said, he asked could he please meet them. he wanted to thank their families for raising such fine men, and so there was an opportunity for the president again away from the cameras to meet with those families, to go back into the rose garden, to have a group photo taken. obviously one that those three americans who inspired us so much will have for the rest of their lives. >> absolutely. chris jansing reporting from the white house. thank you. now, why the fed's decision today to leave interest rates alone that has some people cheering and others concerned.

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welcome back. here's what's happening now. hillary clinton, joe biden both holding public events right now this hour. clinton taking part in a town hall on substance abuse over in new hampshire. biden talking about the economy right now in detroit. he's going to head to the battleground state of ohio tonight as well. you can make of that what you will. still no official word on my plans for 2016 from him. also, we want to tell you about casualties to report from those ongoing california wildfire. two more bodies discovered in burnt-out homes. that brings the death toll to five. two major fires continuing to blaze. also a top u.n. official now denouncing hungary's response to the unfolding migrant crisis calling yesterday's use of tear gas and water cannons, you see there, against refugees at the border truly shocking. new video showing result -- this is a train station in eastern

croatia, migrants were pushing past police trying to board trains. they returned to croatia after yesterday's clashes at the border with hungary. developing news on the economy. the fed announcing it will not raise interest rates for now. chairman janet yellen explained it this way -- >> the committee continues to anticipate that the first increase in the federal funds rate will be appropriate when it has seen some further improvement in the labor market and is reasonably confident that inflation will move back to its 2% objective over the medium term. >> now, there's just about 20 minutes left to the market close. and it's a lackluster response so far there. here to help explain why and whether this was the right call, what the make of it, we have josh barro and senior finance editor at business insider. we'll get right to it. yesterday, 24 hours ago before we knew the facts, here were your predictions. >> i think it's going to stay

exactly as it is at zero. why? because the fed hasn't necessarily fulfilled its mandate, which means, you know, the labor market isn't humming along the way it should be perhaps and maybe we could see a little bit more growth in the economy before we put kind of a damper on it which is what the fed would do. >> i think the rate hike will come soon. my guess is it will not come at this meeting. >> lynnette, you got today's news right. after your analysis was publicly available, josh echoed you, i think it's fair to say. >> it's fair to say that a lot, actually. >> yeah. >> tell us what you are thinking now that we know this news. >> now that we know this news, it's a good thing for the american economy that we're going to keep it loose and we're going to keep cash flowing through the economy this way, but i think it's bearish. it's negative for the global economy because in janet yellen's statement she said i'm looking at what's going on around the world. i'm seeing that instead of

inflation, we're seeing deflation. and we're getting scared that the rest of the world is going to start dragging us down. we want to keep our foot on the gas so that we can keep this humming along because we're not seeing growth from china. we're not seeing growth from emerging markets that we were. >> josh, for the everyday consumer out there, should you feel good that this is somehow still a part of stimulative or should you feel concerned because the fed said it's concern concerned? >> you should feel both those things. this is something that has an effect on the economy and a symptom of the economy. the fed staying loose means it will grow more than if it had tightened right now. it's staying loose because there's all these dark clouds over the economy right now. the statement from the fed says positive things, the job situation continues to improve, we're seeing economic growth that's not superfast, but it is steady and at a reasonably strong pace. one down side is we're not really seeing wage growth yet. but it talks about the problems

we're seeing around the world that both could create problems in the u.s. economy, but the other really key thing in the statement and the reason that actually think we might wait longer until the fed hikes, i'm not with lynnette. i don't think that the hike may not come today, it may not come to the spring. not only is the economy weak but the outlook for deflation is kind. they raise them when the economy can support an increase in interest rates, but they raise interest rates because that can stop inflation if they're afraid inflation can take uf. they're saying they think the risk of inflation has fallen because the weak economy around the world means there aren't a lot of people trying to run around and buy things. people, lots of people all trying to buy the same thing. >> in other words, the united states is saving the world again. if you want to think about it simply, we're the only guys who are, hey, maybe there's some inflation going on here. the rest of the world's in a deflationary cycle. we don't want to get sucked in. we're driving growth right now.

two thumbs up for america. >> if you get out your map and lay it on the table or you open it up on your app because you can have a map even just inside your phone these days. >> that's crazy. >> i've heard that. when the fed says today global problems as josh just mentioned, what portion of that map is china and what portion is the rest of the world? >> what do you mean? the rest of the world has problems. >> we're hearing a lot about china and the recent market problems. >> we've been hearing a lot about china recently. we've got anemic growth in europe, brazil is a disaster and the rest of south america is, too. when you look around, australia's essentially one big china hedge fund. it depends on china for its economy. >> you say australia's dependent on china, what do you mean? >> most of their exports in terms of raw materials go to china. so when we're looking at -- this is why commodities like seal oil are down. china was a huge consumer of those things. its economy is slowing down, its property market is slowing down. it doesn't need as much.

economists are saying, hey, china's growing at like -- if they're being generous, china is growing at 6.5%. china says it's growing at 7. no one believes that. if you are getting dark, you're saying china's growing at 3%, 4%. that's something we haven't seen before since china started humming along. we see no reason for that, i don't see any reason for that turn around. the chinese government has been doing everything it can to stimulate the economy and it hasn't really been working out. >> this a thing that sounds weird to americans. china's been growing at better than 8% a year for decades. we'd be thrilled if we got 6 1/2% economic growth. but that's really low for china and that growth in china has been really propping up a lot of economies in asia, australia and around the world. the u.s. is in this weird spot where we're like the one bright spot. the uk is doing okay. but we're in this weird position where we're doing pretty well and everybody else is kind of doing badly. >> right. >> i want to do lightning round.

we got your predictions. you got today right. the next time the fed could make a change is october 28th which for political junkies is also the night of the debate. what do you expect? >> i expect no change on october 28. >> no change in october. december's possible but my guess is probably not till the spring. >> our fed experts, thank you both. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. straight ahead we'll go back to the debate. where do the republican candidates go from here? a longtime fiorina watcher and an adviser to senator rand paul. what happens next in this race to the white house. it's so shiny. i know, mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. ♪ if you want beautiful results, you know where to go. angie's list. everyone can shop for services from highly rated companies, even without a membership. but as a member, you can save more. and you get exclusive access to ratings and reviews. angie's list is there... for all your projects - big and small. pretty! come see what the new angie's list can do for you.

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it was a wild one last night as the debate about the debate continues, where do the gop candidates go from here? jeb bush and donald trump back on the trail tonight. bush hosting a rally in las vegas while trump has a town meeting in new hampshire. tomorrow almost all of these key republicans will be on stage at the heritage action forum. that takes place in south carolina. for more, we have allyse jordan who is an adviser to the rand paul campaign and senior writer at bloomberg politics. hi, everybody. >> hi, thanks for having me. >> melinda, we've got a lot to go through. i want the play some sound. your thoughts on the big winner last night? >> i thought carly fiorina. >> when i went in, half the audience didn't know my name and they didn't know i was running for president. i think i successfully introduced myself to those who did not know me and demonstrated once again that i am the most qualified candidate on that stage to win this job and to do

this job. >> that was carly on the "today" show. she thinks she's the winner. go ahead, what do you think? >> well, this time i agree with her. i do think she walked away with it last night just because she dominated the conversation. she didn't wait to be called on. she jumped in so often that chris christie was reduced to complaining about her hogging the microphone. that donald trump was reduced to, you know, sort of falling down and apoll -- he came as close as donald trump is perhaps capable of apologizing. he said, you know, he did not make himself look better when he said, oh, you're pretty, carly, you're a beautiful woman. but she, unlike the front-runner trump, had a command of the facts and spoke in full sentences, knew exactly what she wanted to say. if i had one criticism, it would be that she might want to come

off as a little acerbic next time. but i thought she really did a fine job and did herself a lot of good. >> following up on that, you covered her since her days as a businesswoman. are you surprised that she seemed to be able to mix that command of the facts and detail, which is important in management and creating moments where you just put up on the screen earlier she had some of the biggest social media moments last night. that's significant when you are up against people like donald trump, up against other moments like carson and trump and jeb and trump having their high fives. she's still emerged that way. so she's commanded facts and what we might call online excitement. >> i wasn't surprised at all. and a lot of the riffs that she did really well with last night did come from her stump speech, but it was the delivery of them. i mean, that was the case for a lot of the candidates, obviously. but she really thinks on her

feet really well and kind of pulls the different strands together. for example, her answer linking iran with planned parenthood, not a linkage that everybody would have come up with. >> i'd never thought about it. >> yeah. she just seeped that she was in control and that everyone else seemed to be angling to get in. >> right. >> but unable to in a way that she pulled off without breaking a sweat. >> right. talk about angling, elise, turning to your boss, rand paul he did angle his way in far more effectively than the first debate and gave voice to a critique broader than the rand paul campaign about what's wrong with donald trump. take a listen. >> i think, really, there's a sophomore quality that is entertaining about mr. trump. this visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness, that happened in junior high.

would we not all be worried to have sun like that in charge of the nuclear arsenal. >> i never attacked him on his look, believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there, that, i can tell you. >> that's the back and forth. what is the campaign that you work for, rand paul, trying to do with this strategy? >> well, i think that senator paul showed that he's not going to let anyone act like a jerk and get away with it, and that was an important point. but more than that, i think in this debate he established how he stands out from the other contenders for the nomination. his foreign policy, you can have a strong national defense without going into bankrupt circumstance not every civil war's a nail, that he made some great points, i think, talking about that and about limited government and about personal freedom and just getting the federal government out of our lives, he was the only candidate that advocated for medical marijuana and that was something that the stage lit up over, but he's really -- you can really see where he's having a lot of

impact in the field leading on foreign policy and less government. >> you talk about foreign policy. let's play a little bit of him saying what the american role should be in the world in a contrast to jeb bush defending his brother's war in iraq. take a listen. >> why are we always the world's patsies that we have to go over and fight their wars for them? >> think about what we mentioned earlier in the hour, that we know 23 million people are watching. for your campaign, the first time many people have heard, there's this anti-interventionist voice in the debate. >> i think he's giving voice to what republican primary voters overwhelmingly feel which isn't reflected in elite political thought in washington, d.c. americans are tired of war that isn't in the national interest. and what rand paul is saying is that we should fight wars, if it's in the national interest and wars that constitutional and that are approved by congress. so he's the lone voice out

there, pushing these ideas. and you can tell how he's inf influenced the debate in terms how many of other candidates are willing to say they would send troops to syria and troops back to iraq. >> melinda, speak to that if that's the rand paul official perspective. does that sound right in reading of the electorate? give us your take on a foreign policy piece, that back and forth about the syria operation, conservative hugh hewitt pushing the senators on the unrest in the middle east and migrant crisis. >> i thought on the foreign policy front it was the biggest shock -- not shock, because he said it before, but donald trump continues to behave as though the only real problem with putin is that barack obama can't seem to inspire friendship in him. i find this really a minority

view that donald trump holds in that way. he keeps saying that he and putin would be friends, that he has said before, you know, i had a great event in moscow a couple years ago ering was phenomenal, we're going to be friends. so i'm not sure that the republican electorate is where rand paul is on intervention. so many of the other candidates, i think, are probably more in keeping with the gop base on sending more troops in on getting more involved in the middle east in general and syria and iraq. but of all of the candidates, i would say that trump really dwis distinguished himself as having the fewest backs in that disposal in part of the debate. >> i think melinda makes a good point about trump's perform ', certainly. he had absolutely no substance

last night. it was really, i think he wore really thin as hours went by and clearly couldn't talk about anything but himself. and that i think, it's the beginning of the end, i think, for republican primarily voters to see that trump's an entertainer but want a strong commander in chief. >> i real lay degree with that. and i really agree with that. and i would say that senator paul's comment about looks, how he makes fun of people, fat, tall, short, skinny, you know, that face, that was actually an important thing he said, and it was -- trump's response he's never taken on rand paul's looks is untrue. he has made fun of him for not being tall. >> he did it last night, yeah. >> yeah. >> when you say i'm not going to make fun of you and i could because there's stuff wrong with wait you look, you're doing it. >> but he makes fun of his looks in particular, paul's looks in particular, in almost every campaign stop.

so i think that when you see him over and over you say, i agree, over the hours and it was a long night. really does start to wear thin. and i really do wonder, of course we've been asking this for months now, but at what point you see, you know, how many times can you listen to it's all going to be phenomenal with really nothing to back it up. >> right. melinda and elise, thank you both. >> thanks. >> that is it for us at 3:00. next a lot more on the debates and also this breaking news. the federal interest rate decision, stay with us. make exercise fun by hiking to new places, biking with friends. add citrus or strawberry slices

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is the summer of trump over in no shortage of fireworks last night, as the smoke clears today, who is rising and who is falling? >> short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness. that happened in junior high. >> i never attacked him on his look, and believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> stop -- stop. carly, carly, listen, you interrupted everybody else on stage. >> the simple fact is you could -- >> more energy, i like that. >> we'll look at what happens in the gop race. also today, big news from the federal reserve