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is the summer of trump over in no shortage of fireworks last night, as the smoke clears today, who is rising and who is falling? >> short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness. that happened in junior high. >> i never attacked him on his look, and believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there. >> stop -- stop. carly, carly, listen, you interrupted everybody else on stage. >> the simple fact is you could -- >> more energy, i like that. >> we'll look at what happens in the gop race. also today, big news from the federal reserve deciding not to
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raise interest rates, after briefly rallying, stocks appear to be closing in negative territory, though. and later, stand with ahmed, the teener bringing a block to school. we start, though, with developing news on wall street. the dow jumped over 150 points this afternoon after a major decision by the federal reserve sent markets skyrocketing, but at the closing bell the dow landed back in negative territory. this all comes as the federal reserve chair janet yellen announced that the fed will keep its interest rates close to zero, rather than raising them, for the first time in nine years. all right. nbc's gabe gutierrez in chile is with us. we're going to him for an update on that. >> reporter: things are back to normal here at santiago's airport but coastal communities here in chile are still assessing the damage.
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at a magnitude of 8.3, this was the strongest earthquake this year. more than a million people evacuated. fearing a tsunami, parts of the coast saw waves up to 15 feet. the quake was centered 175 miles from santiago, chile's capital city, and a tsunami alert expired here in chile. but advisories were issued as far off as hawaii and southern california. thousands of miles from the quake and much smaller waves were expect there. after the initial jolt, several strong aftershocks here and this united states a country that is prone to earthquakes. the strongest one ever recorded on earth happened in 1960 here, a magnitude 9.5 on the richter scale. since then, there have been changes to building codes and warning systems, and that may have saved lives in this case. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, santiago, chile. >> as you heard, gabe gutierrez
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reporting from chile about an earthquake yesterday that measured 8. 3 on the richter scale. more on that earthquake throughout the show. we want to switch over to politics. and the ratings are in for last night's second republican debate. almost 23 million people tuned in to watch the 11 candidates duke it out at the reagan library. front and center, as you can imagine, donald trump, campaigning in new hampshire tonight, but last night was involved in several heated back and forth exchanges, and had the most talk time of any candidate on stage. but while trump talked the most, it was carly fiorina who ran way with the headlines and emerged as the consensus among pundits. today she reacted on the "today" show. the three-hour debate also saw several of the other candidates mixing it up in an attempt to break out.
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so let's get our political panel in on this discussion right now. we're joined by gop strategist. we had sound bites and technical glitches that we weren't able to play sound bites. i want to start off with the question that everyone's on -- on everyone's mind, winners and losers. let's listen to a montage of some of the sound bites from last night. sure. >> i think i did about as good -- you know i got great reviews from people. any statement made by me that asked the people, trump said this and trump said that, so it was a little bit of a difficult situation to be in. look, i found it to be an amazing experience. it was very interesting. i thought it was very unfair to a lot of other people, they didn't get any time. >> so that was donald trump saying he won the debate. i want your take. perhaps not surprising to hear him say that. but what's your take away from this? do you think donald trump did win this in debate? >> absolutely not. he did no harm, but he actually really was somewhat disappointing especially when it came to offering specifics where
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he could have really increased his base and attracted more people. i think he was actually very low energy, especially by the third hour. all fairness, three hours is a long time to be on a debate stage. i don't think they delivered especially when it came to foreign policy. >> a point he was raising early this morning, it was too long of a debate particularly for viewers but entertaining. >> wasn't too long for carly fiorina. she kept delivering. >> certainly. take a listen to highlights and we'll talk about the specifics. >> first of all, rand paul shouldn't even been on this stage. he's number 11, he's got 1% in the polls. >> his visceral response to attack people on their appearance, short, tall, fat, ugly, my goodness. that happened in junior high. are we not way above that? >> we don't need an apprentice in the white house, we have one now. >> when the folk of iowa found out the true facts of the job you've done in wisconsin youtubed help was number one. now he's six or seven.
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you interrupted everybody else, you're not going to interript me. we don't want to hear about your careers, back and forth, volleying who did well who did poorly. you're both successful people, congratulations. >> you cannot take. >> more energy, i like that. >> a lot of heated exchange, personal attacks from a lot of the different candidates. one of the most poignant ones response from carly fiorina talking about a comment that donald trump had made about her looks. let me play that sound bite for you. all right. that sound bite, again, the one where he had criticized her about her at least made reference to her looks and she responded by saying that all of america's women had heard donald trump's response. >> what was so great, she was able to take what was said from the previous question, when donald trump was holding jeb bush to task on his using exact language, she was able to play on that and really deliver a
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great line, not attacking donald trump but really showing she was above the fray on this -- these kind of things. i think she really widened her base on this. i i think she took a lot from ben carson, attracted new people looking at her. even when we went into that debate, i think it's estimated 40% of the people did not know who carly fiorina was. that definitely changed last night. >> do you agree with chris christie who made that point, we didn't want to hear about the records of both donald trump and carly fiorina who i guess in some ways have been running successful campaigns as nonpoliticians, the fact that dr. ben carson, her, and donald trump have been portraying themselves as anti-political establishment candidates. it seems to be resonating with voters in some of the primary states. >> certainly does. i actually think what chris christie was trying to do there create an opening for himself to talk about what he wanted. he was fighting for air time there. he wanted to get his points in. and it wasn't so much that the point about the -- what their
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back rounds were. it was more focused he wanted to pivot to the middle class, when he started off in his opening remarks he wanted to get that language in and i think that's what that was about. >> a lot of questions about jeb bush going into the debate. he had a lot riding on this. i want a sound bite of one of his moments from the night. >> your brother's administration gave us barack obama because it was such a disaster those last three months that lincoln count have been elected. >> you know what? as it relates to my brother, one thing i know for sure, he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember, donald -- >> how do you think jeb fared. >> i think he fared okay kay. he's still not do wag his donors and base supporters want him to done he didn't deliver one-two punch. they saw what carly fiorina was willing to do. even what some level rand paul was willing to do. and he did enough. he didn't do any harm.
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he did show he could stand up. he look the presidential. there were a few awkward moments for him. but in the end he did okay. >> check out this exchange he had with donald trump. he's always joked around as being low energy candidate. i want to play this for you. >> did mr. trump go too far in invoking your wife? >> he did, he did. your proud of your family as i am. >> correct. >> so subject my wife into the middle of raucous political conversation was inappropriate. i hope you apologize for that. >> i hear phenomenal things i hear your wife is a lovely woman. >> she is, fantastic. >> i don't know her. >> she is absolutely the love of my life and right here. why don't you apologize for her. >> i said nothing wrong but i do hear she's a lovelywoman. >> do you think that was high energy from jeb bush there? >> well i think it was a way of trying to put donald trump on the spot and the fact that he didn't apologize and kept putting it back made donald trump look small. it's not a hard thing to be gracious.
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and donald trump is showing he's not able to do that. >> thank you very much. >> we want to go back to wall street and that news at top of the hour the dow closed down 6 appoints comes after fed announced it would leave interest rates unchanged. joining me now, cnbc contributor. let's talk why the markets are reacting the way they are to this powerful news. >> surprisingly enough, it seems like there's a certain air of uncertainty what happens next. the federal reserve did not raise interest rates today and then janet yellen, chair of the fed, held her news conference. while the information that we got from the fed's statement seem to suggest interest rates could stay lower for longer, she reopened the possibility they could go up in october, go up in december, and that the economy, by and large, is okay. inflation too low. global economic activity is-to-soft make a risk to the u.s. we came away not quite sure knowing what is next on the fed's watch, whether it will be
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leave rates unchanged until 2016 or move before the end of the year. i think that caught the market flatfooted. so stocks, which were up 160, sold off as you just showed. interest rates fell sharply, which to a certain extent is good for consumers particularly those trying to lock in a mortgage rate. >> let's talk about what this means for the average american and help make sense of this for us in plain terms as to what it means for the average worker. >> well, not much at the moment. the federal reserve is pleased that the employment market has improved dramatically. we have unemployment rate of 5.1%. we do still have too many people who work as janet yellen said part-time because they can't get full-time work or dropped out of the labor force altogether because they've given up trying to find a job. the fed wants those numbers to come down. on the inflation front, inflation is too low for the fed's kfrpt, mecomfort meaning t it into another recession, that's something economists call deflation, falling prices which makes the economy that much
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weaker if that were to happen. the fed has not met the inflation target. close to meetingite employment target. there's not much impact on an individual except how the market responds going forward. it will affect people's 401(k)s. if the market rallies on the assumption the fed will keep rates low, you may see benefits in months ahead. >> thank you for that update. coming up, american airlines grounded flights from three major hubs after a widespread computer outage. what is next for the 14-year-old who was arrested after bringing a clock he made to school? i'm going to speak with a group that wants the department of justice to review his case. later, stunning admission about the american role in syria. the result of the pentagon's $500 million program to train thousands of syrian rebels all ahead.
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we want to update you on breaking news. american airlines computers came back online this afternoon, after an outage that briefly grounded flights at major airports across the country, including miami, dallas, chicago. this video captured inside chicago's o'hare airport a short time ago. joining me now from chicago is were, how disruptive they have been at this hour. are things starting to return to normal, you think? >> they are starting to return to normal. and i think the good thing about this delay and the ground stops at these three airports is that it happened in the middle of the day, when the flight schedule is a little bit lighter. and as a result, any of the delays that happened, we're talking about anywhere between 45 minutes and maybe an hour and 125 minutes for the most part those flights, they're on their way to their deston nations now
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or will be shortly. take a little bit of time to smooth out everything in the schedule. for those who could not check in at gates in those three hubs and could not get on their flights, obviously it was frustrating. but relative to some of the other computer glitches that we've seen with other airlines where they've been down for five, six, seven hours or longer, this was a relatively minor one. >> phil, any better picture of what caused this outage in the first place? the question that's going to be on everyone's mind as soon as you hear computer glitches, was there any foul play? >> no indication that there was foul play. and i think we're going to see this from time to time in the airline industry as things become more complex, they just moved into a new operation center at american airlines. when i called down when the ground stop took place, there was no sense of hey, something really bad going on here. it was more along the lines of we've got a computer glitch, working our way through it. it was not a nationwide ground
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stop. three hubs, dallas, chicago, miami. no doubt infuriating for the people who are supposed to leave at a particular time and couldn't. but it's nowhere close to the level of concern that you would see if there was something involved with foul play. >> cnbc's phil lebeau from chicago, thank you for that update. general motors has agreed to pay $900 million to settle the criminal investigation against the company for its handling of defective ignition switches that have been linked to 124 deaths. in the settlement with the justice department, gm, the largest car manufacturer in the united states, admitted to misleading the government and the public about the safe of its vehicles. the company still faces more than 200 civil lawsuits over its ignition switch and other recalls. army sergeant bowe bergdahl made his first court appearance. captured by the taliban and held for five years before being released last year in a prisoner swap, appeared before a military hearing in texas to determine whether he should face a military trial for allegedly deserting his post in
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demonstrated, once again, i am the most qualified candidate on that stage to win this job and to do this job. >> joining me now, former pennsylvania governor and nbc news political analyst ed rendell and reporter at "new york times" jeremy peters. governor rendell, will fiorina see some movement in the polls after her performance last night, you think? >> well, i would expect she would, but i expected, after the first debate that john kasich would really see significant movement and except for new hampshire he hasn't seen any. there was a poll this morning, michigan, republican voters, taken before, obviously, the debate last night with john kasich at the 2%. fiorina was at 3%. walker was at 2%. rubio at 4%. so the people who are doing well in the debates don't necessarily move up. but i think carly fiorina, because she's a woman, because she demonstrated breadth of knowledge about the issues and demonstrated strength will move
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up. i think her biggest problem is going to be likability. she came on very stern, she didn't smile, you know, she got involved in that sort of shouting match with governor christie. so i think she'll do well, i think she'll move up but who knows where that goes. >> jeremy, one of the highlights when carly took on donald. one of the dominant headlines. asked about trump's comments regarding her appearance at the debate. here's how she responded -- >> you know, it's interesting to me, mr. trump said that he heard mr. bush very clearly and what mr. bush said. i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> i think she's got a beautiful face and i think she's a beautiful woman. >> what was your reaction to that? i mean, again, the fact that he used that language beautiful face and beautiful woman?
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>> i laughed. i thought it was a bit forced. i think he had to say it. he had no choice because he basically called her a dog before. all hell broke loose in the campaign. it didn't sound very presidential, not that donald trump does ever sound presidential. i think what carly said was much more interesting. carly was speaking directly to women throughout the course of the night, and that's something that's unique, something she can do that none of the ten men on that stage could do. and she spoke to them as a mother, heartbroken mother of a stepdaughter who had died from drug addiction. she talked to them about the double standard that women endure on the campaign trail, how their appearances are always judged. when i'm watching to see whether or not carly can take that and help the republican party neutralize some of the democrats' war on women attacks. >> and governor jeb bush had a lot riding on the debate.
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peter alexander had a chance to speak to him afterwards. take a listen. >> donald trump spent the last several weeks zis missing you as a low energy candidate. are you satisfied that tonight's performance by you answers that? >> yeah. and if he -- not that he's going to travel with me and do town hall meetings, i'm not a low energy person at all. the difference is volume of your voice is not a measurement of leader, it's not a measure of anything. my energy goes on behalf of the people i care about. excited about the prospects of coming into the debate and i think i did a fine job. >> he described it as a fine job. do you think jeb did a fine job? >> much better than he did in the first debate, but that was allow bar. i think he acquitted himself well but he still seems a little -- not disinterested but he seems a little laid back, a little somewhat afeet. i would advise him to get
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different glasses if he wants to wear glasses. he didn't look like someone who is burning with desire to be president. but i think his performance was markedly better than the first debate. >> will anyone be in trouble after this debate? some are saying that governor scott walker didn't have the breakthrough moment that he needed. do you see anyone after this debate having less of a chance of success? >> i saw a couple of people who didn't improve their standings. walker would be one of them. i don't know that rand paul really improved his standing all that much. he went after donald trump in a way, i think that was quite vinting calling him sophomoric in his insults childish. but then he basically got his clock cleaned by carly fiorina when she pointed out to him that her stepdaughter died of an overdose while rand paul was talking about the need to legalize some drugs. so i think those two candidates
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probably didn't help themselves as much as they would have liked. >> all right. former governor ed rendell and jeremy peterson, "new york times," thank you both for that insight. coming up, pop politics. republican candidates sparred on the future of marijuana in america, as jeb bush confirms to 20 million people he spoked pot four decades ago. plus, did donald trump manage to achieve every emoji face in seven seconds? what's popping is ahead.
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dallas, chicago, miami and affected. donald trump is happy with the way he was treated during last night's debate. the republican front-runner is in new hampshire today where hillary clinton is also campaigning. trump is scheduled to hold a town hall tonight, just a few hours from now in rochester. it's the last day of school suspension for ahmed muhammad ninth grade ar rested in texas after his home made clock always specced of being a hoax bomb. he wants to transfer to a different school after his ordeal. and he told chris hayes the whole experience made him feel like a terrorist. >> i felt -- i felt like i was a criminal. i felt like i was a terrorist. i felt like all of the names i was called. >> what do you mean all of the names you why called? >> i was called in middle school a terrorist, called a bombmaker just because of my race and
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religion. >> were the officers saying things like that to you? >> one of the officers did comment on me walking in the room. >> what did he say? >> he got back in the reclined claire and relaxed and he was like, he said, that's who i thought it was. >> joined by executive director of the council on american islamic relations, the dallas-ft. worth chapter and president and executive director of muslim advocates. thank you both for joining us. i know you've been in close contact with ahmed, his suspension ends today, the school says he's welcome back. any sense that he'll be back at mcarthur high school tomorrow? >> as of right now, it's still a little bit up in the air, but ahmed certainly doesn't want to go back to school there. there's a lot of tension and it's quite a hostile environment for him. so things have changed in this past week, it -- things have
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changed dramatically. he definitely doesn't want to go back. but nothing is confirmed yet. >> alia, the school's letter sent to parents seemed more defensive than apologetic. it said, quote, this is a good time to remind your child how important it is to immediately report any suspicious items and/or suspicious behavior they observe to any school employee so we can address it right away. any other contact with the family, thaw you are aware of, that is perhaps more apologetic? >> no, not at all. >> okay. let me bring you into the discussion, muslim advocates is appealing to the assistant district attorney to conduct an investigation into potential violation of ahmed's civil rights here. what specifically do you want to see happen? >> thank you for having me. specifically muslim advocates asking for the justice department to open a civil rights investigation because what we know is this, what
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happened to ahmed is not taking place in a vacuum. it's unfortunately has transpired in the course of a disturbing trend of anti-muslim bigotry, hate crimes and discrimination. according to a couple of community-based studies that have taken place in the last few years, nearly 80% of muslim teenagers, nearly 80% of muslim teenagers, have reported being subjected to bigoted taunts and harassment. often times in front of teachers and school administrators. and i think for many americans and muslim parents what was disturbing about what happened to ahmed was that that harassment went a few steps further with the school and law enforcement suspending and arresting him. >> let me play devil's advocate here for a second and ask this, which is, how do you determine whether whether or not his simple rights were -- ignorance
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on the part of the school, an overabundance of caution. where do you draw the line saying infringement of civil rights because of his identity or whether the school is just, as the country swept up in the state of heightened tensions because of all 0 the mass shootings and violations that happened in schools and in our communities, that the school just overresponded not because of his identity, as they claim? >> so all american muslims like all americans want our schools to be safe, safe places to learn for hour children. i think what's different here, base the on facts we know, there were no facts to justify ahmed's suspension and arrest. i think what is based on these facts, and i think the impression it creates for a lot of americans, is that there's a different stand order of suspicion when it comes to muslim or black child than a white child or nonmuslim child. >> the mayor of irving, texas, put out a statement on facebook, i do not fault the school or the police for looking into what
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they saw as a potential threat. they have procedures to run when a possible threat or criminal act is discovered. as a parent i agree if this happened to my child i would be very upset. but she's spoken out about the perceived threat from sharia law. take a listen to this. >> what do you want people to do? >> i think you need to put your foot down and say, this is america, we have -- we have laws here already. >> so is that perhaps indicative of some problematic at tuts in this area? >> we do have a really strong concern that not only the mayor but other actions that have taken place in north texas but specifically the mayor's comments, she has made a climate using her rhetoric to very pointedly target the muslim community and make an example out of them for her own political gain and that has resonated in the community as causing this anti-muslim
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sentiment to be much more heightened. i want to agree with farha number a the things that we've seen, the facts we've been made aware of further show the comments made by the policemen that were involved in the interrogation and arrest of ahmed, the way it was gone about reporting what had happened, the clock and everything like that, the way that everything happened the rhetoric that had happened is very similar to the rhetoric that has come out of the wake of mayor van dine's comments and the way anti-muslim legislation that has taken place in texas. we do feel that there's a direct correlation and we strongly believe that ahmed's rights were violated not only in the method but also in the process that happened and how they went about interrogating hymn and how they went about arresting him.
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>> those comments were from february, not in response to this specific incident but nonetheless, as you were commenting on them there. thank you both very much for joining us. coming up -- the politics of syria. the ongoing civil war a major part of the republican debate last night. and the nominees are starkly divided on what role the u.s. should play. plus, chaos in croatia. riot police clash with refugees at border, next.
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with german leaders. many refugees and migrants crossing into europe are coming from syria. a topic the republican candidates for president had a lot to say at last night's debate. >> syria's a mess, you look at what's going on with isis. think of this, we're fighting isis, isis wants to fight syria. why are we fighting isis in syria? let them fight each other and pick up the remnants. >> we don't have to the world's policeman but we need to be the world's leader. we have to make sure the world knows that we're serious, engaged, we're not going to pull back, that our word matters. if we do that, we can create a force that will take out isis both in iraq and in syria. >> if you want boots on the ground and you want them to be our sons and daughters, you've got 14 other choices. there will always be a bush or clinton for you if you want to go back to war in iraq. >> i want the men and women to know, if i am commander in chief i will only send you into harm's
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way when our national security's at risk. >> what's happening in the region the direct consequence of the inability to lead and disengagement. the more we disengage the more planes from moscow you'll see flying out of damascus and syria. >> joining me steve clemens. let's talk about the republican strategy on isis at this point. the candidates seemed all over the place last night. >> well, there's a real struggle within the republican party over what the soul of foreign policy will look like. you heard nixon, reagan, neoconservatives versus realists and isolationists. a fascinating thing happening. syria's a real knot. it's a real mess. those who want to a to have a p proactive american presence what backbone would you grab to help, it's hard to find that.
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syria's a real problem. you saw go enuinely different world views. >> russian president putin, he's been helping assad for years in syria but has escalated russia's activity recently. he did come up quite a lot last night in the debate. listen to some of those references. >> i will get along, i think, with putten. what he's doing is trying to replace us. as single, most important power broke in the middle east and this president is allowing it. >> having met putin i wouldn't talk to him at all. >> we do need to be engaged with russia. doesn't mean we give them a free pass or china a free pass. to be engaged means continue to talk. it would be a big mistake not to do. >> do you think president obama should meet with him at the sidelines of the u.n. later this month? >> absolutely. there's absolutely no choice that we have but to engage the russians and eventually the
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iranians and other parties with what happens to syria. by what russia is doing in putting more resources and potentially facilities and providing resources to the assad regime, they are making themselves an indispensable part of what happens in syria. there's got to be an engagement and discussion. so those that were suggesting like donald trump and rand paul that you've got to meet and talk this thing through is absolutely right, in my opinion. >> all right. steve, there's a headline that came out of yesterday's testimony on capitol hill by general lloyd austin, commander of central command. a key part of the u.s. strategy against isis was supposed to be training syrian rebels. at hearing yesterday, general austin was asked how many were left. let's listen to that clip. >> can you tell us what the total number of trained fighters remains? >> it's a small number, and the
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ones that are in fight is -- is -- we're talking four, five. >> i mean, i don't know how to pose the question on that particular hearing. the fact that we've spent half a billion on this program, we have four to five fighters on the ground fighting isis. what do you say to that? >> well, after that was one of the most uncomfortable moments in general austin's career, it's true that the administration has often talked about supporting and aiding and giving vital support to moderate rebels in syria, and it's never really come through. when general petraeus was running the cia, there was a more robust effort to arm, provide support either through the turks and french and limited arms through us, and a lot of that leaked right out into the hands of isis and al nusra in syria. when he began the training program, paltry at best, the
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concern that mccain raised from the moment they go in, assad regime drops barrel bombs on them. the poor, well-meaning moderate syrian forces that have been seeking support and help from the west are just stuck in a vice and nothing we've done is there to change it and that became very blatantly clear in the testimony yesterday. >> that's not the only scandal this week on the war on isis, if you will. there's been a numerous reports intelligence on the war against isis has been, quote, cooked. how much of a problem do you think this is for the obama administration as well? >> i think it's a very significant problem, because it's not only vietnam-like where you begin sort of cooking books on the numbers and leading people to believe that isis is not as bad as everyone thinks it is. but the broader element of it, this was a characteristic that the bush administration got critiqued a lot about, not only picking the raw intelligence that would justify the actions, but shaping the outcomes, the
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pentagon trying to coach journalists and others on what they would say and creating a criticism-free zone on what the administration was doing. that's very bad when trying to sort of put together credible policy programs and draw people into this. the truth of the matter is, when you compare what the gulf countries have been doing with us versus isis and syria, it just pales in comparison to what's been going on in yemen. we're not there with great allies and no one wanted to say that. >> yemen is a complete whole other mess we didn't have time to discuss. steve clemens, thank you for being with us. coming up, the republicans spent the night debating, hillary clinton got the trump treatment from none other than jimmy fallon. and the many faces of donald trump, it's all straight ahead on what's popping. welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like... my trusty bow. and free of stuff i don't like.
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guys, some of other stories popping today. focus on donald trump at last night's debate and the internet went wild with the social expressions inspiring a host of this, some voted one point trump imagined to do six emoji faces in seven seconds. the gop candidates duking it out in california, hillary clinton appeared on "the tonight show" with jimmy fallon where she took a surprise phone call from none other than donald trump. >> anyway, i just finished the gop debate, as usualing i was fantastic. everyone loved me. now look, i know you're about to go out for your interview with jimmy fallon but he's a total lightweight. >> you know, i'm really curious, donald. what is your stance on women's issues? >> look, i know a lot of women and they all have issues. you sound like a robot. bleep, bleep, does not compute. you want to win? here what happens you've got to
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debate. the politics of pot. but was it all personal confessions? no, certainly not. rand paul and christie went to battle over the federal government's role on marijuana legalization. take a listen. >> i think this is a crime and i think america has to take a different attitude. >> i believe in the tenth amendment and i will say that the states are left to themselves. >> it's not them the only victims. families are victims, too. children are victims employers are a victim. that's why i'll enforce the federal law. >> writing about the gop's weed wars on our website. you heard an interesting framing of the debate, senator paul framing it as a state's right issue, chris christie, governor chris christie, faming it as something that he would impose federal law over. how much could marijuana laws be a factor in the 2016 campaign? >> i think a big factor but if you're in favor of marijuana
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reform, legalization, you're really happy with last night's result because chris christie, his campaign fading, 3 out of the 4 candidates who talked about marijuana said they'd let states decide like the obama administration has done. a republican administration comes in, marijuana, illegal at federal level will continue to be legal on the federal level but a republican saying they will let states do whatever they want. >> talk about jeb bush, his admission that he smoked pot 40 years ago. how much of a ripple effect did that create across social media. >> you have chris christie talking about marijuana as a gateway drug and jeb bush saying a gateway to the presidency, right? smoked marijuana as a kid now candidate for the president's office. >> regardless of who wins the white house, we can see a different attitude in 2016 towards marijuana in the country? >> i think if you're a republican you have to evolve further on the issue if you want to capture the majority that says legalization is around the
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corner. >> look forward to your piece on the website. i'm ayman mohyeldin. jonathan capehart picks up live coverage. i'm jonathan capehart. tonight, the day after the big debate, we'll fact check carly fiorina, talk trump and bring you the funniest moments. plus, bernie sanders reveals the biggest mistake he thinks obama made after his election. and the latest on the 14-year-old who was arrested for bringing a home made clock to school. but first, carly fiorina stole the show. the fight to the main stage paid off in a big way. carly fiorina received glowing reviews for taking control of wednesday night's primary debate. >> someone in the system their whole life, they don't know how broken the system is. a fish swims in water, it doesn't know it's water. it's not that politicians are bad people. it's that they have been in that system for ever. we could rebuild the six fleet. i will, we
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