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finally found a plane. i'll talk about the shut down fight over planned parenthood. and new claims that marshalls used government-issued phones to tape their encounters with prostitutes. we begin with 2016 candidates hitting the campaign trail after the second republican debate of the race. this morning we are hearing from the candidates on who they think won.
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>> "time" magazine did a poll and 61% said trump won the debate. >> it's quality not quantity. >> let me see if i can get you to channel your inner donald trump. did you win the debate last night? >> i was very satisfied with the debate. >> carly fiorina will work to get back on the trail tomorrow in south carolina. but donald trump is also working hard to keep his lead. meeting today with voters, one hour from now in new hampshire. >> tell us a little bit, what are you expecting to see from donald trump tonight after he claims victory that hey, he won the debate last night. >> he said he was the big
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winner. people were lining up already. tonight's event is being billed as a rally for trump. something to maybe get his mojo back, you might want to say, after pundits and analysts pointed to him to being a little low energy. trump boasted about a's performance. there's not an agenda, like a particular topic. expect to see more frankly of trump being trump. >> and it's something that's different. we know how much donald trump feeds off of his own audience. something that pundits say we didn't really see last night, given the format of the debate. given the smaller audience. i'm sure that's something they hope to turn around tonight.
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>> many are praising his performance last night. trump had reportedly wanted to tone it down a little bit before the debate. i did talk to a couple, though, who say they want to ski see a little bit less name calling from donald trump. they like that he has this attitude and energy, but they would like to see potentially a little bit more of a presidential trump. >> thank you for us there, awaiting that town hall for donald trump. joining me now is our political editor for the "boston globe" and also republican strategist rich galen. we are seeing donald trump in less than an hour here. how does he move forward in that performance last night that some are saying are lacklustre and that he's holding this -- let me get my mojo rally back post debate?
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this is a tradition in politics. he needs to show the voters frankly what he showed them in the town hall in the last debate. he needs to engage with them and he probably should answer some questions as well with a few specifics. >> rich, to you, what needs to be seen? or does donald trump need to come out saying something outrageous to get that mojo back after last night? >> i'm wondering whether or not we saw the first instances. i mean, we've all been through these before. these campaigns are just grueling. you're up early, doing three and four and five shows a day. you get tucked into bed by the
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staff. he's my age and i'm wroonderingf what we saw last night is campaign fatigue starting to show. i thought last night, i really -- i've been wrong about this ever since before he ran, so don't take what i say to the bookie, but i think what we may have seen was the high point being tipped over, especially when carly went after him on what he said in "rolling stone." i think he's got some work to do to try to recapture where he was two days ago. >> especially since some are saying it was carly fiorina who came out winning this debate. and we saw her talking fiery about planned parenthood, going back to trump about the attacks when it comes to her appearance. a lot of focus on her. so here's what she had to say this morning. let's listen to that. >> i'm going to keep doing what i've been doing, which is working hard every single day to answer every question, to meet
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as many voters as i can, to be transparent about who i am and what i intend to do. but i hope what people saw last night is that i can win this job and i can do this job. >> so she's saying that. do you think in those three hours that she kind of shifted the thought for a lot of voters out there who weren't necessarily carly fiorina people? >> yeah. i think if anything, this really underscoring the power of a national debate like this in this context. because fiorina had this opportunity, because she was the 11th candidate allowed on that stage. she is going to see a rise in the polls. and i have to hand it to carly fiorina. donald trump is going to come in and out of rochester, new hampshire tonight on his jet and he's done. when carly fiorina comes, she will stay four, five, six days, do three events a day and try to shake as many hands as she can. no matter how much work she put into that, it's a debate performance like this that's going to project her into the
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polls, maybe up tooth level of ben carson or so. and maybe even competing with donald trump in the next couple of weeks. >> when she says i'm going to keep doing what i'm doing, what is that? what does she need to keep doing to build this momentum? >> she had a high bar last night. in the first debate, she was is sort of -- not sort of, she was a surprise. people didn't know who she was. she clearly won the jv debate, the fox debate. she was on the big stage. people like me said let's see how she does when she gets into center ring. not only was the bar higher, but she cleared it and by a lot. when she says she's going to keep doing what she's doing, now she's going to get more attention, not only from the people in new hampshire and the people in iowa and elsewhere, but now the press following her will begin to grow. you go from kind of a subaru to a van and then to a bus. and i suspect she's in the van stage, heading to a bus. and that can only help. >> she certainly took advantage of the three hours of this
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debate last night. but when it comes to differences in talk time, h here's a breakdown. donald trump spoke more than 18 minutes. scott walker for 8 1/2. here's a breakdown right there for you. let's start with you, who made the most of the time? it's funny when you say that donald trump spoke for 18 minutes he acknowledged hey, kind of had enough of trump, myself this time. who made the most of it? >> it's funny, i looked at those time last night and i was actually surprised donald trump got as much time as he did. it felt like, especially in the jv debate, they were talking a lot about trump. it just goes to show you how muchless of a presence he had during this debate. as far as who made the most of their time, i have to say carly fiori fiorina. and she said a whole lot by not saying many words. in many of her statements last night. and then chris christie as well, i think, also made the most of his time on stage. he really needed it. he was almost on the cusp of
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maybe not even making this debate stage. he took advantage. i think he got his message out in a coherent way, which is extremely difficult when you're one of 11 on stage. >> i think kasich and bush did a lot with the time allotted to them. kasich did not have the surprise factor, so he had a little higher bar. but i thought as the night went on, bush got his legs you should him and i thought he did very well. >> when you look at scott walker and the 8 1/2 minutes there, interesting when it comes to the criticism is a that he's gotten saying he was great with that apprentice line, but that was in the first ten minutes of the debate. then you continue on and on and on, some say he faded. he actually defended his debate performance. >> i was asked three questions in three hours. we had to interrupt. i was second only to carly in terms of interruptions. the other time, we got free questions. we tried to use quality over quantity and to make the best of
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that time. and like i said early on, we set the stage. >> how much trouble is scott walker in? >> we'll see. it's a long way to go. he's the midwesterner. i think last night, wisconsinites might not have served him well. he needed to throw elbows to get some of those rebounds. >> new jersey elbows, yeah. >> all right, we will see. appreciate the post debate analysis. now to that earthquake in chile. the death toll has risen to 11 after the magnitude 8.3 earthquake rocked the country last night. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in santiago and he brings us more. gabe? >> reporter: things are back to normal here at santiago's airport, but coastal communities here in chile are still asse assessing the damage. this was the strongest earthquake on earth so far this year. now, more than a million people were evacuated, fearing a
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tsunami. parts of the coast saw waves of up to 15 feet. the quake was centered about 175 miles from santiago, chile's capital city. and a tsunami alert has expired here in chile, but advisories were issued as far off as hawaii and southern california. thousands of miles from the quake. and much smaller waves were expected there. now, after the initial jolt, there were several strong aftershocks here. and this is a country that is broken to earthquakes. the strongest one ever recorded on earth happened in 1960 here. a magnitude 9.5 on the richter scale. since then, there have been changes to building codes and warning systems. and that may have saved lives in this case. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, santiago, chile. >> all right, gabe, thank you for that update. american airlines said it fixed a computer problem that grounded flight at three of its busiest hubs today. the carrier was forced to suspend flights at dallas, miami
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and chicago, due to what they're calling connectivity issues that lasted for about two hours. both american and its regional affiliate, american eagle, were affected. computers were back online by mid afternoon. that outage comes about one month before american is supposed to finish come bieping the reservation systems of american and us airways. combining technology systems has tripped up other major airlines. it led to several outages at united airlines after it merged with continental airlines in 2010. just hours ago, the if ed ral reserve announced it would leave interest rates where they are, unchanged, instead of raising them for the first time in nine years. raising the rates would signal that the economy is official on the rebound, but it could also have a direct and wide-ranging impact on consumers, increasing costs for borrowers. at a press conference today, the federal reserve chair janet yellen left open the possibility of raising rates in the future. >> the committee continues to anticipate that the first inkree
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in the federal funds rate will be appropriate when it has seen some further improvement in the labor market and is reasonably confident that inflation will move back to its 2% objective over the medium term. after briefly rallying, the markets ended in negative territory. federal prosecutors have reached a settlement with general motors, capping a two-year investigation into how they handled a problem of faulty ignition switches. the deflect lingered for more than a decade. gm has agreed to pay $900 million and admits that it misled the government and public about the safety of its vehicles. general motors ceo spoke today about reaching this landmark settlement. >> this is a tough agreement. it further highlights the
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mistakes that were made by certain people in gm and it imposes significant penalties and obligations. make no mistake -- we are committed to honor these obligation ps . >> joining me now is nbc's john yang. just look at these numbers here, $900 million. over ten years, over 100 people killed here. pretty big hit for gm. >> it is a big hit. but analysts say it could have been a lot bigger. that fine, $900 million. a lot of analysts expected it to be more money than that also some people are surprised no criminal charges against any individuals in this case. analysts say that could be because gm's current leadership was up front about the mistakes of the past. today in her comments, mary barra told employees, people died in our cars. now prosecutors are trying to say this is a clear signal to the auto industry that they have
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to be more up front and act more quickly when they know about safety problems. here is u.s. attorney pree preet bharara. >> ask anyone in the transportation industry, and they will tell you these cases have been somewhat of a watershed. there's been more recalls, more attention to safety, more attention to transparency with regular lay gors and more focus on how to keep the driving public safe. >> this, of course, is the second big safety settlement in two years. last year, toyota had to pay a $1.2 billion fine in a similar case. frances? >> the ceo is calling this a tough agreement. where does it go from here? >> they did get what was essentially a form of corporate probation. if they keep their nose clean for three years, they have to reform and change the way they
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handle safety recalls. and then the government will drop the prosecution. but gm clearly hopes and mary barra clearly hopes this will close this chapter. this has consumed her first year as the first female ceo of a global auto maker. and as one analyst said, she could now turn her attention to running the company. >> thank you very much. still ahead, shutdown showdown. i'll talk to a democratic congresswoman, and white house welcomed president obama meets with three americans honored for bravery on a train in europe. also, air marshall sex scandal. allegations that marshalls used government phones to tape encounters with prostitutes. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.
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some house republicans want to deny funding for planned parenthood. if it doesn't get figured out by the end of the month, there could be a goth shutdown. >> the fiscal year is upon us. we need to get something done very quickly. it is very, important that the american people understand we're not going to have another 17-day shutdown or any shutdown like we had two years ago. >> but some house conservatives may fight any deal that includes planned parenthood funding. quote, our leaders wave the white flag every time there's any kind of confrontation. and today on the house floor, democratic congresswoman ro rosa deloro blasted a bill that would cut off planned parenthood funds. >> this bill kree yass chaos. and in that chaos, people's lives will be put at risk.
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this bill is spiteful, it's mean spirited, and it is cruel. it tells million low income americans, forget your health, you can just die. >> the gentlelady's time has expired. >> i urge my colleagues to vote against this bill. >> joining me now is that congresswoman you just saw, rosa delauro. democrat from connecticut. we're seeing you with a smile. but when you were up there, very em passioned words there. tell me what was going through yor mind as those words were coming out. >> first of all, i'm delighted to be with you. the cruelty, and i mean that have. so many low income women, women who cannot afford private health care get their health care and they get their screenings i
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their pap tests and other preventive med season efforts at planned parenthood. 1 in 5 women will use planned parenthood services in their lifetime. they employ 200 million americans every single year temperature to cut off that funding is chaos. and it putss lives at risk. what we're not talking about here, we're not voting on roads and bridges and parks. we are voting on health care. these are the same folks who wanted to shut government down. a central part was all about women's health. imagine shutting down the federal government over a women's health issue. >> did you have any sense many
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may be open to a deal on this budget? or are they expressing to you is the shutdown threat a reality? >> i think there's a group of people who believe that a shutdown should occur. and they're going to gauge their strength and see if they can move forward. over and over again the last seven months, the democratic leadership has approached their leadership and said let's come together, let's sit down, let's negotiate on this budget to avoid a government shutdown. in 2013, what happened in 2014 tax returns is 4 million dollars in people's tax returns were delayed. 20,000 veterans saw their disability checks held up. there is a price to pay. >> i want to play what ted cruz
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said. >> republican leader shim in both houses that surrendered to barack obama, saying we'll give in because so bama will veto. he says i will veto any budget. we need to start standing for our principle. >> can you envision ted cruz rallying republicans to a fight here? what are we surrendering? closing the federal government? the issue is come to the table. if you have a disagreement. and apparently he does. let's sit down without shutting the government down. if you blooe that the only route
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to being able to exercise the opportunity to keep the government open is to shut it down, and that's where you think you need to go, that's really a perverse sense of government and the legislature. you do not govern from the extremes. anyone who sits in a legislative body understands that. there's back and forth and there's consensus. that's what has to happen now with budget negotiations. and we should not put women's health at risk above all. >> and still ahead, allegations that air marshalls used government foeps to record sexual encounters with prostitutes. also we'll turn to the democratic nomination fight and hillary clinton's charm campaign and bernie sanders' outsider campaign.
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>> vice president joe biden speaking live in ohio. also awaiting campaign events from jeb bush and dobld trump. those events are expecting to start at the top of the miles an hour. now we turn to a sex scandal involving the u.s. air marshalls. one has resigned and two others have been suspended without pay amongle allegations that two marshalls hired prostitutes while overseas and used their government-issued phones to record and share their sexual encounters. today, the director of the air marshall service appeared before the house oversight committee.
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>> they're a disgrace to the profession. they're a disgrace to our organization. this committee has my commitment that i'm going to take a personal interest. >> break down how the hearing went today. >> they said they were impress ed we don't blooe this to be emblemat emblematic, but he was going to take it mon himself. we had knowledge that they were
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still generating headlines. he's on the cover of "time" magazine with the headline, socialize this, america. and joe biden is now at an event in ohio. there he is speaking now. and today, the "national review" reported a top draft biden adviser was overheard on a phone call saying, quote, i am 100% that joe is in. reportedly the national review says the adviser confirmed the call occurred but did not confirm all of the contents. want to bring in now democratic strategist chris koufinas. i want to dive into this. when we last heard from biden when he was doing the rounds, he said i'm not there y et, if i can't get to 110. what's your sense? can he be there now? >> i'm uncertain of what he's going to do.
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>> if you wouldn't mind starting again. we didn't hear you. you audio was down. >> i'm going to say i'm absolutely certain that i'm uncertain what he's going to do. i think in all seriousness, i think the vice president has a very difficult decision, even in the best of circumstances, running for president is not easy. a taxing affair on your family and on you personally. and given everything that he's had to go through with the loss of his son, it's even more of an emotional hill for him to climb. that being said, if he chooses to get in, i think he has a serious path where he can be at a minimum, a serious force, if not potentially win the nomination. when you look at the poll numbers, particularly these early states, it's still a very unstable race. sometimes people will fixate on national polls. in 2007, hillary clinton was way ahead in that race nationally.
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and, you know, president obama, then senator obama was far, far down. it's so unstable right now. if he gets in, he's df nitly got a path. >> when you're talking about that, the instability of the polls and how you're saying look at history, see how it didn't work for them. do you think the hillary camp is looking at that when they seem to brush off bernie sanders' polling gain. do you think there's any sense, especially with a reboot of hillary clinton's campaign, hillary 2.0, that they're actually feeling the heat because he's doing so well? >> listen, inside any campaign strategy war room, if you're not taking your potential adversaries seriously, you're kind of failing at your job. senator sanders has tacked is a serious court here within the democratic party and amongst progressives. if you're pulling in, in some of these places, thousands of people this early, i can tell
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you, you are a potentially serious threat. now that being said, iowa, new hampshire, i think he's got real momentum, but once you get past that, i start having question marks. >> i want to ask you, since that clinton camp reboot, we've seen her dancing on ellen. also the sitdown interviews, one-on-one interviews. she's kept up her charm offensive, even last night on "the tonight show." we want to take another look at that. >> you originally said, quote, mr. trump insults and dismisses women. tell me, what would you do to help women in this country? >> donald, i spent my entire career fighting for women's rights. that's what i believe in. that's what i'm fighting for. i'm really furious, donald, what is your stance on women's issues? >> look, i know a lot of women and they all have issues. are you writing all this down?
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>> hold on, let me grab my pen. [ applause ] >> like her or not, she's funny. she was actually funny in that little skit. you could tell that smile was a genuine smile. is the charm offensive for her works now. >> likability is always an important part of any kind of campaign. i think the challenge here is people know secretary clinton. she's been around a significant number of years for american politics. i think the challenge is not -- i would a little hesitant so say her challenge is if she's likable or not. she's an incredibly accomplished, intelligent woman. i think the challenge the campaign has is what is their message? with what is their vision for the country? the part i struggle with is i still don't know. whereas i think bernie sanders
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sorry. >> trump and bush have been the fight to watch. bush showed a more aggressive side last night in the debate. and bush criticized trump saying he's not conservative enough on immigration because his wife is an immigrant. >> the simple fact is disparaging people's family isn't going to get him elected president of the united states. i'm proud of my wife. i think it would have been smart for him to apologize, but look, it's donald trump, what can i tell you?
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>> to both of you, appreciate you being with me here. beth, i want to start with you, here. you were in the spin room last night at the reagan library here, and the trump/bush campaigns, going to keep on hitting each other? jeb bush who doesn't want to keep getting bullied. is that going to continue? >> certainly trip is going to continue to hit, because that's his m.o. he hits people, he insults, he attacks. i thought what we saw with jeb bush is really interesting. you can tell that's not where he want fos go. he's not a super aggressive guy, but he chose a couple of surgical strikes what were very smart. he talked about trump lobbying to build casinos in florida. trump denies that he did that, but there's plenty of evidence that he actually did and he tried to influence jeb bush through contributions and lobbyists and so forth. all the things that he says that he's completely immune from, because he's got all this money. so that was a good attack from bush. the other one was the issue of
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his wife. and almost everybody is get on jeb bush's side on this. if you've got donald trump attacking, or seeming to suggest that you have weird immigration views because of someone in your family, your spouse, your best friend, the love of your life, as jeb bush called her, that was kind of a weird and slightly dangerous route for trump to take. and bush called him on that. so that was smart. but i don't think you're going to seed a ho ed ad homonym atta jeb bush the way trump goes after other people. >> jeb bush defending his brother. he said we were safer because of my brother being president following 9/11. jeb bush with that more aggressive approach, here's another example. let's look at it. >> and your brother's administration gave us barack obama. it was such a disaster, those last three months that abraham lincoln couldn't have been elected. >> you know what, as it relates to my brother, there's one thing
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i know for sure, he kept us safe. >> eveready, it's very high energy, donald. [ applause ] >> of course, that response there with an attack to donald trump saying that jeb bush is low energy. there you have it, leading with the five, the slapping the five. how much of a shift is this that will actually help? >> well, i think it does help somewhat but i now notice just how nonaggressive jeb bush is. up against donald trump, he reminds me of the class bully in the pool yard facing off the president of the chess club. jeb bush is more of a strategic guy, a knowledge guy. he knows exacts, policy, how the office actually works. donald trump is more of a
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salesman, a word man who puts things out there very simply and very aggressively and is much more of a showman. and jeb certainly learning that. i thought he made a noble attempt, but for all the preparation he obviously did to make that point about the gambling license that trump apparently wanted, jeb backed off rather quickly when trump simply said that didn't happen. and jeb obviously has evidence that it did happen. >> interesting to see trump could very well continue the attacks and the hits this morning post debate. but he didn't go after his opponents. let's listen. >> i thought there was nobody that did poorly. i i think that -- i think that carly did well, but i didn't see her -- i think rubio did well. i don't know specifics over a period of time. >> did jeb bush have more energy
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last night? >> he did. i thought he was -- actually, he's a very nice guy. i thought he did fine. i thought he did very well. >> well, beth, what do you think right there? we have it, praise from donald trump. are we seeing a nicer donald trump? or just a tired donald trump? >> he looked tired to me last night. they all did toward the end of the debate. three hours in a very hot room, everybody got a little spaced out. donald trump can be somewhat magnanimous, he was there on "morning joe." but he saves his insults for the big moments, these debates that are getting 22 million people. think about it. he took this big ad homonym debate on rand paul in the first minutes of the debate saying h he dent deserve to be on the play. he plays directly offense with his opponent, tries to get under their skin. carly fiorina stood up to him and i think trump met his match last night. >> many will agree with you there. we're awaiting donald trump to
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take the stage, the rally in town hall in rochester, new hampshire, there's a live look at it. halley jackson is reporting about 1 urks tho people a,000 p show up. get your mojo back following what's been said is low energy at that debate last night. >> donald trump is very good at giving voice to the frustrations of the voters out there. and obviously this is a year when people want an outsider. they want a nonpolitician, nonprofessional. that's why the top leading republican candidates in the polls right now are not professional politicians. and that serves him well because he doesn't know a lot of details about foreign policy and domestic policy. but he knows who to attack and who to criticize. he can get a crowd nicely revved up around that. as long as you don't ask him details. that's where he began to be more somber in the last third of the debate last night.
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it wasn't just being tired as far as his own energy. but he was just running out of the knowledge. >> especially with foreign policy. him and ben carson as we. as we await donald trump to see what he has to say, thank you, appreciate it. still ahead, should bowe bergdahl face a court-martial? two very different accounts of what happened before he became a taliban prisoner. and also, a rare appearance from the greatest, mohammuhammad ali. to clean the oceans, to start a movement, or lead a country. it may not be obvious yet, but one of these kids is going to change the world. we just need to make sure she has what she needs. welcome to windows 10. the future starts now for all of us.
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dissergs and misbehavior before the enemy. from prosecutors say he snuck off and should meet no leniency, but his lawyers say five yeefrs being held by the taliban are punishment enough. they said in the hearing they would reveal details why he disappeared back in 2009. do we know why? >> not yet. today was the prosecution delivering his case against the private bergdahl who disappeared from his post in eastern afghanistan in 2009. bergdahl was captured by the taliban about 18 miles from his post. he stayed five years in taliban captivity until his release last year in a prisoner exchange. bergdahl's commander at the time testified today about the army's efforts to try to find him. they sent hundreds of paratroopers and solder jers into the region to try to find him.
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they took their operation away from insurgency and strictly looking for prooifd bergdahl, who they never found in the field. >> bergdahl's lead attorney plans to call multiple witnesses to the stand. will bergdahl actually be one of them? >> we asked his attorney that today and he wouldn't say. bergdahl is not listed on the witness list, however, general kenneth dole is. he is the man who interrogated the sergeant when he returned from afghanistan in captivity. now,bergdahl's attorneys have asked the koicourt to release t tran scripts to the public. so far the haearmy has refused release those documents. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. thanks so much for being with me. we await donald trump in a town hall rally.
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we appreciate you being with us. the crowds gathering. we appreciate you being with us for the past hour. thanks so much for watching. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. has trump peaked? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews still out in los angeles. the party is over, the beer bottles are all over the living room, people are having a hard time getting their heads together. certainly not clear headed yet. and yet, i think something did happen last night, something valuable for the country. did you see the big air force one sitting behind the candidates last night? do you think it might have meant something to the millions actually watching it? especially those who care about how the country is going to be run? do you think people may have