causing all kinds of problems in the u.s. >> okay. this man. i like this guy. >> from white plains. amen? okay. we -- problem in this country. it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. you know he's not even an american. >> we need this question. this first question. >> but anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. that's my question. when can we get rid of them? >> we're going to be looking at a lot of things and, you know, a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out. we're going to be looking at this and plenty of other things. >> trump didn't correct the questioning and white house press secretary earnest addressed this controversy. >> is anybody really surprised this happened at a donald trump rally? i don't think anybody who's been paying attention to republican politics is at all surprised. the reason for that is that the

people who hold these offensive views are part of mr. trump's base. and mr. trump himself would be the first to tell you he has the biggest base of any republican politician these days. >> hillary clinton just weighed in from new hampshire this afternoon. >> well, i was appalled and as you may know, you know, quickly put out a tweet expressing the great disappointment with that kind of rhetoric and calling on him and anybody else who is seeking the highest office of the land to start behaving like a president. to show respect and to stand up for the truth. he knew or he should have known what that man was asking was not only way out of bounds it was untrue. and he should have from the beginning repudiated that kind of rhetoric, that level of hatefulness. >> so big reaction from hillary

clinton and the white house and republicans criticized trump today. chris christie said things would have gone down differently with him. >> somebody at one of my town hall meetings said something like that, i would correct them and say the president is a kris yn and he was born in this country. i mean, i think those two things are self evident. >> perhaps people are looking for the reaction of john mccain had correcting a similar question in his 2008 campaign. >> i can't trust obama. >> i got -- >> i have read about him. and he's not -- he's not -- he's a -- he's an arab. he is not -- >> no, ma'am. no, ma'am. >> no? >> no, ma'am. no, ma'am. no, ma'am. he's a decent, family man, citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. thank you. >> the fact is that trump's response to this birther question is not a surprise to anyone who's followed donald

trump. in 2011, he joined birther calls for the president to release his long form birth certificate and recently as this july trump told cnn he didn't know if president obama was born in the u.s. the president was, of course, born in hawaii. now, trump was scheduled to appear with ten other gop hopefuls and just over an hour tonight and now canceled that. the campaign says, though, he has to attend a business matter in person and they say the change has nothing to do with the controversy. nbc's ben ji sarli in greenville, south carolina. that's where trump was going to appear up until today. how's this playing on the campaign trail? >> reporter: well, i've talked to quite a few people standing in line here. for the rer tanlg action conference and one of the big, big gatherings for the candidates and so as a result not surprisingly, i'm hearing a lot of disappointment from people in trump canceling so late. a couple of people telling me

that he should prioritize the planning for america and running for president he should commit to that over any kind of business interest. i'm hearing a lot less talk of trump on the trail and much more talk about some of the other people in the debate. carly fiorina in particular is a major topic of conversation here, a lot of people are telling me that she is moving into the top three as possible choices for their vote in the crucial south carolina primary. and some in particular noticing that they really appreciated that she was one of the only candidates so far to effectively stand up to donald trump. so while i have heard from trump fans out here, there's some people with an appetite for seeing someone bringing something different to the table and confront trump on the more controversial statements. >> benji sarlin, thank you. alex seit-walt is on the phone and heard a fiery response to hillary clinton and as you know from following this, as recently as a month ago, hillary clinton

dismissing donald trump and here trying to hold him accountable. when's going on? >> reporter: well, i mean, clearly a fight hillary clinton wants to have and is eager to engage in and almost ran through the synonym for hate frfl the thee saw rus for him. and she said that if somebody came to her town hall and made similar comments she would call them out, dismiss them and trying to do two things here. trying to told rest of the republican field accountable for donald trump trying to make them respond to what he had to say. and the other thing i think she's doing is certainly showing that this is the conversation she wants to be having, fighting with donald trump, not talking about bernie sanders, ahead of her here in new hampshire, doesn't want to talk about joe biden looking at possibly getting in the race. certainly doesn't want to talk about e-mails and as long as she is in a fight with donald trump, that's good for her to be in.

>> all right. alex seitz-wald on the road, thank you for that update. we're turning to erin mcpike and kathlyn parker. thank you both for joining. >> thank you for having us. >> kathleen, let's start with you. you look at this, obviously, there have been a range of controversies on the trump campaign. this one, though srks a well-worn subject and whatever you think of how to correct the people you hear from, he has what people say is a problematic record on this very issue. >> it is interesting donald trump such a big-mouth, says whatever pops into his mouth, decided to be careful with the phrasing in this instance and, you know, instead of saying, look, you know, instead of taking the mccain approach and correcting him, he says things like we are going to be looking into that. there are things going on and we'll look into that. you know, when you're careful like that and trying not to

alienate bigots you might be a bigot. just saying. >> do you think this is something that some of these conservative voters or even a subset of maybe nonconservatives and people who still hold this animis toward president obama and the people to appeal to? >> well, i don't know what he's trying to appeal to. there are certainly those people out there. and who is he protecting and trying not to offend not stopping this man who, by the way, if i were a cynic i suggest he was a plant by the clinton campaign because, really, just such an obvious buffoonish thing to say and wasn't even legit and in mr. trump's case, again, if he's trying not to alienate the people that think that way, then that's by no means a person to have unify this country. when hillary clinton comes in and makes her statement, she says, well, no. he says president obama's not a

christian but he is a christian and then when mccain corrected the person in his audience a few years ago, he said, no, he is a decent family man. everybody's missing the point here. are you suggesting that muslims aren't -- don't have decent families and what if he is a muslim? >> that itself -- doesn't happen to be true and isn't a problem. this comes at a time where we had a whole other social media firestorm over the treatment of a young boy who happened to be muslim and potential discrimination. the issues are not dead. these issues are very much alive right now and why trump's trafficking it concerned some people. your take on the significance today? >> take a look at the republican that is criticized what trump said so far. only chris christie. the rest of the field has not criticized donald trump for saying that. chris christie, of course, is looking desperately for -- >> and lindsay graham. >> and lindsay graham. but really, those two are looking for break-out moments

but they cozy up to the media sometimes and they're trying to break out of the pack and get some attention and chris christie by doing this could get himself on television and can make these remarks and try to find a way to break out in new hampshire again and that's what he's doing and the rest of the republicans are not speaking up about this. >> you mentioned trying to get attention. of course, this is how trump used to get attention before he was a candidate. this idea, this smear, this false attack on president obama that obviously is already taken up way too much political oxygen was something he pushed in 2011. erin, let's play some of that for you from donald trump. >> make these birthers into the worst idiots. why doesn't he show his birth certificate? >> i'm very proud of myself because i accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish. i was just informed while on the helicopter that our president

has finally released a birth certificate. i'd want to look at it but i hope it's true. >> erin, that was how he positioned himself. we'll put it up on the screen there. the white house did ultimately release it. many people noted that no other president and no other let's be honest president that didn't look like barack obama pressed this way in the white house for documentation. gohead. >> ari, look at what he did there. declared victory as he likes to do. able to say that he won. he never apologized and although he was not a candidate for president at that time, he was just talking about it, he shot up to number two in the polls. so this is something that works for him. and maybe after the debate when some people are saying he didn't have a stellar performance, he wants attention and using xenophobia helped him with the republican base.

why would he not do this again? >> i want to play the sound again with context around it and then talk about where it goes from here with a response to the trump campaign. we'll play that now. >> okay. this man. i like this guy. >> i'm from white plains. amen? okay. we have -- a problem in this problem. it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. >> right. >> you know he's not even an american. >> we need this question, this first question. >> but anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> uh-huh. >> that's my question. when can we get rid of them? >> we are going to be looking at a lot of different things and a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. we'll be looking that the and plenty of other things. >> that's the remark. nbc news having reached out the trump campaign this afternoon saying they see no controversy whatsoever and within the last hour they have put out a new position paper, only his second of the campaign on a different topic, guns, 2nd amendment

issues. is this the right response? >> i don't think you expect donald trump to say, to step back from any comment he makes. he's not -- you know, i think he considers it a weakness to suggest he was wrong or taken more time because he's just never wrong ever. you know? he has that attitude going in the door. but it's so dangerous to sort of endorse this idea that there are these clusters of muslims training and they're planning to destroy us. i think if it's taking place, you know, there probably are people aware of that and homeland security and elsewhere. but it's really not engineered to talk about that seriously. it is engineered to rile people up in a certain way. and it has been working for donald trump thus far. i keep thinking that it's some point there's going to be that break point where it no longer works. i was really thinking it's by now after the debate the other night and hearing donald trump tell you how great he is and how

rich he is and how fabulous everything's going to be under his rule, that gets a little tiresome and it was clear the other night during the debate he doesn't have any there there. no substance. you said he's come out with a new policy statement. >> it's short. i read it. >> a couple of graphs. going to be fabulous. >> it says it's policy paper and says i have a concealed carry permit. it has "i" statements in it and that's unusual. some say it might be to distract from this. thank you for joining. >> thank you. >> thank you. major security prep in place ahead of the pope's u.s. visit next week. how pope francis is using new platforms including twitter to reach the faithful. t-minus 12 days until a potential government shutdown. why's the house from kocused on planned parenthood. another country now closing its borders. stay with us. ideas are scary.

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a final flurry of preparations under way for pope francis' historic u.s. visit next week. millions of people expected to see the head of the catholic church in the six half day trip to the u.s. before he gets here, he heads to cuba this weekend. nbc's anne thompson at the vatican with a preview. anne? >> reporter: here at the vatican, they're putting the final touches on the longest foreign trip of pope francis' papacy taking him to cuba and the united states and it all begins tomorrow when the pope lands in havana.

on sunday he'll celebrate mass at revolution square and it is expected that he will meet with cuban president raul castro and perhaps his older brother fidel. the pope played a crucial role of easing between cuba and the u.s. and offering the vatican where they could talk. he goes to the u.s. on tuesday. he will be welcomed at the white house on wednesday. speak to a joint session of congress on thursday. the first pope ever to do so. visit ground zero in new york on friday and then head to philadelphia for the world meeting of families. now, the pope will speak mostly spanish on this trip. it is his native language and the language he feels most comfortable to go off script and create the francis moments. he will, however, deliver four speeches in english including the one to congress. the speeches are expected to include the themes of francis' papacy, they're inclusion, immigration, climate change and getting people out of poverty.

i'm anne thompson at the vatican. now back to you. >> thanks, anne, for that report. we have a note here on some of the other developments for cuba. the pope not expected the meet with dissidents. the pope is no stranger to controversy. recently guiding priests to forgive abortion and issues reforms to the annulment process and why many see him as a pioneering leader for the church and in the book "the tweetible pope" there's insights on man, the pontiff and a spiritual revolution under way examining the pope's daily tweets. how are you? >> good to be with you. >> michael, you are also national reporter for the crux, boston globe's publication of all things catholic. you look at this, the tweets, the new platforms he's using. talk to us about what he's up to here. old teachings, new ways of reaching people. >> absolutely. pope francis is someone who has

not shown an inclination to change teaching but he realizes that the church needs to soften the public image and talk about issues that families are going through, he recognizes that life is messy and can't always fit into the neat catholic rubrick an says let's welcome people into the church and have a conversation. it's what he's done with bishops, encouraging priests to do with every day catholics and trying to change the public face of this church and using twit tore do that. >> here's one of the tweets that you cite that i think will be familiar to a lot of american viewers interested in politics. he says, climate change represents one of the principal challenges facing humanity in our day and #laudatosi. when's that mean? >> in june, pope francis released a papal encyclical

about global warming among it and the vat krahn decided that most people aren't going to read a 200-page document about climate change and there's great bits of wisdom in there and took to twitter, pulled out the best parts and for 24 hours straight they tweeted parts of the praise be to you every hour on the hour. so 23 million followers, everyone got a bit of information from the encyclical. many more people had insight about the environmental crisis by the pope. >> that's not lost on the american audience there. bernie sanders isn't one of those 23 million religiously and does cite the pope as an authority, approvingly. here he is on the same issue of climate change. >> listen to what the pope says, other religious leaders, evangelicals say about destroying this planet in terms of climate change. they understand it. they see it as god's earth and it should be protected. >> when the pope comes here next

week, is he in your view in tuned to the impact he has on our leaders as well as his flock? >> pope francis has a great set of american advisers preparing him for this trip and i think he'll be briefed about kind of an odd impact this he's having on our early presidential election. we have catholic republicans distancing themselves from pope francis on economic and climate issues and a liberal jewish senator from vermont and turned things on their head and i expect it to continue, especially after this trip. >> looking at the visit, what do you think his goals are? >> pope francis wants to connect with people. he's a pastor at heart. on this trip, he'll be giving, you know, high profile speeches to congress and the united nations but it's those times when he'll be with people, visiting a catholic school in new york, catholic agencies in new york and looking there for the pope speaking from the heart

and message of inclusion out to every day catholics. >> walk us through what the large gatherings are like. a tweet you mentioned in the writing is he says do we say thank you to god every day? i think whether you -- whatever your god or spiritual leader is, that's something i think everyone struggles with even if you're devout, a sort of a daily affirmation. how does he use the events and gatherings to go to that, i think more difficult than the climate change and go to that deeper spiritual question for people? >> so, pope francis is concerned about what he calls a throwaway culture and pervades every issue of life and thinks we don't have enough respect for resources, elderly, the young and he makes it a point to really asking people to consider the moral implications of the decisions every day and don't have to be a government leader or the head of the u.n. to make a difference in life according to pope francis. you can decide how you interact with people. what i find interesting about the use of twitter the he'll

often say from us is look up from the screens and try to engage in a conversation, see what's going on in their lives ian someone who i think just want it is flock and others to just consider how we might relate better to one another. >> i think that's well put and a hopeful or at least a challenging note i think for all of us to end on. michael, thanks for the preview. >> thank you. we'll have that trip for you on msnbc next week. up next for us this hour, the white house taking aim at donald trump with the calls to apologize in intensifying. also on the hill, focus shifting to the spending fight. will it lead to another government shutdown? play awesome party song. ♪

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some developments today in the case of baby doe, the little girl found dead wrapped in a trash bag in boston harbor this past summer and we know her name and boston affiliate whdh said the little girl's mother is under arrest.

nbc's ron mott in boston with story. ron, how did investigators i.d. the child? >> reporter: hey there, ari. well, this is the house where they executed the search warrant. triple decker, 115. they were here for many hours into the night last night. this young child's name is bella bond. b-o-n-d and the governor mentioned that at the tale end of an unrelated press conference and the mother's name under arrest is richelle bond. this is a case that's stumped them for almost three months now and sent out notices for the public and might recall that very life like computer generated image that went worldwide and interest in that image itself, almost 60 million views across the world and that generated a lot of tips and eventually a few days after that authorities were having to follow up on a lot of tips they thought were unrelated and sent word out they believed the child was boston area and pollen on

the clothing, a blanket also in the trash bag, led them to believe the child was from this section of boston, south of downtown. awaiting a press conference with the district attorney and others to talk about the case and the arrest of the woman we believe to be the mother of this baby. ari? >> thank you for that reporting on a difficult story there. an update on washington news. the republican-held house passed a bill to strip federal funds from planned parenthood, this's a campaign issue, unless they certified they're not performing abortions. the bill expected to die in the senate but it is delaying the very important budget talks and bringing everyone closer to a potential government shutdown. nbc's luke russert on the hill following the story. luke, tell me about today's vote and if folks want to know if the government is shutting down, what you score the likelihood as. >> reporter: it is, interesting, ari. it's a question everyone wants

an answer to and it's unclear whether or not the house gop leadership has a way forward to avert a shutdown that does not take on democratic support. remember, the leadership has been reluctant to go with democratic support. they try to abide by the hastert rule, the majority of the majority but it's not tauls case. now, today's vote was mainly for show more than anything. it was a vote to defund planned parenthood for the rest of year until they prove that the funds do not go towards abortion and should be known there are federal funds for abortion under the hyde amendment passed for decades. as to what this means overall, this was really done to placate conservatives outraged by the videos that went forward showing some grotesque practices such as the selling of baby parts and whatnot. conservatives have grabbed on to this saying that this is absolutely a reason why planned parenthood should be defunded. the money that goes to planned parenthood, though, ari, if the government were to shut down, they would still receive those

funds because it's appropriated through medicaid and when's the strategy for the house conservatives that want to shut down the government they say so planned parenthood couldn't get funded? kelly ayotte wrote a letter to ted cruz asking him to lay out to stop this from happening and so far there's not been a clear answer. talking to the house conservatives they say, well, we believe that president obama once he would be brought to the negotiating table by a shutdown perhaps, you know, would rescind the funds. every democrat i've spoken to said bring on the shutdown. always the fault of the gop with a shutdown and we believe in women's health, as well. >> you are saying on the facts, it would not stop the actual money flow? >> reporter: no. and that's the -- it's big irony here, right? shut down the government and you can cause a lot of xlik damage under a the country and saw in 2013. planned parenthood will get the money because it's guaranteed appropriation through medicaid.

>> wow. >> reporter: so what are you doing? a show vote. the president is more than happy to have this. hillary clinton running on this in new hampshire saying protect women's health, stand up. they're more than happy to do it. >> thank you. beau bergdahl's attorney saying he will not testify. before the enemy in texas, we have charles hadlock. charles tell us about the attorney's argument here. >> reporter: hi, ari. closing statements are about to begin here in just a few moments. the testimony is finished for the day. now, there will be no decision made today. all the information presented to the commanding general who will decide whether this should be moved forward to a court-martial. he has a lot of evidence to consider over the last couple of days including today's testimony of charles kenneth doll and the man that interviewed bergdahl after getting back from

afghanistan. talked to him for a day and a half in a 59-day investigation into what happened and what we're learning is that perhaps bergdahl wasn't a coward and wasn't a traitor but perhaps misguided. he said that the soldier's considered bergdahl a strong soldier, a good soldier, very bright and well read. however, he had high moral standards for other people and he didn't tolerate people not having moral standards. he said he had a complaint about the platoon and the way it was being run that day in afghanistan. and he decided that the best thing to do was to try to get word to another commanding general at a post about 20 miles away. that's why he decided to leave. he ran to that post or at least tried to. to alert the general. and he knew that his disappearance would cause a massive search and that would get the attention of the army command. and then he could bring his grievances to them and protect his troops back at the platoon.

well, it didn't work out that way. bergdahl was captured, held for five years by the taliban until his exchange for five taliban commanders last summer. now, the commanding general who oversaw this investigation kenneth doll said that jail sentence for bergdahl is not appropriate. he didn't think that was appropriate in this case. he said that there were no soldiers killed in the active search for bergdahl and he says that jail sentence simply wouldn't be appropriate. but that's not up to him. it is up to the commanding officer in the army who will proceed with a court-martial perhaps if he sees enough evidence in this case today. back to you, ari. >> thanks. appreciate it. coming up, another nation overwhelmed by refugees and migrants forcing them to turn back. we'll be back in three minutes. [ school bell rings ]

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here's what's happening now. potential good news in europe's crisis. officials say they hope to reopen the main border between the two countries soon, following the clashes between migrants and hungarian border police. the plan coming to relief as thousands of refugees would start flocking to croatia and circumvent hungary and then have them reverse course and them back. in south africa, a parole review board meeting to decide to allow oscar pistorius out of jail early. the athlete is 11 months into a 5-year jail sentence for killing his girlfriend. we'll update you as we learn more. also, the epa ordering volkswagen to recall half a million cars and hitting them with a fine of up to $18 billion accused the carmaker of installing software on whether cars in the u.s. to evade federal emissions regulations. now, in a statement, to cnbc, vw

saying they're cooperating with the nflgs and will not comment further. now, back to the top story this afternoon, donald trump under fire for not correcting anti-muslim claims against president obama. this afternoon josh earnest slammed the republican front-runner's silence and asked is anybody surprised this happened at a trump rally? nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing at the white house. including the release of the president's long form birth certificate as you know in 2011, trump back in the news on this issue. what is the mood at the white house today? >> reporter: i would say unsurprised. they have as you said been here before and the president releasing the birth certificate and a series of folks behind that podium of press secretaries that called the accusations everything from ridiculous to p preposterous and an opening

essentially for the democrats, right? because it gives them a chance to really push hard at the other republicans to get them on the record, to denounce the lack of commentary by mr. trump on this. and that's exactly what josh earnest had to say from the podium today that, you know, this is part of the republican base that this is donald trump's base, not just birthers but also the aspect of this which was the question about whether or not the president is muslim. now, of course, we know that he is christian but what wrangrank the implication if he was muslim that there's something wrong with that. the president tweeted cool clock to the 14-year-old muslim put in handcuffs after the clock he made and brought to school and mistaken for a bomb and now coming the white house with a chance to meet the president. so i certainly would say that

josh earnest made the most of this political opportunity. that obviously also probably has some republicans not feeling very good that they're being forced to sort of revisit all of this at a time when think'd like to move forward on other issues, ari. >> chris at the white house, thank you for that report this afternoon. lots of criticism but will this be the thing to hurt trump's poll numbers and support of republicans? yahoo! finance's rick newman has a theory and following this race. welcome. >> thanks. >> let's start before we get to some of the financial reporting you have been doing on his record, this news this afternoon. as a student of trump, what do you make of his approach thus far? >> well, i mean, i think what he needs to do right now is decide whether he wants to keep playing to the riff raff that is a big part of his core constituency or try to make himself into a more mainstream candidate, show

leadership ability and appeal to other people going for jeb bush or marco rubio. this incident today was w the accusation of obama being a muslim, not like trump's throwing red meat into the crowd but he's basically standing up there saying, enjoy the meal, guys. i won't interrupt and -- >> and that depends as we reported on how you date. yes, a person of his event that brought up the topic last night. no, this person didn't pull it out of a hat and out of the either. this is part of what donald trump pushing long before he ran to president. now the financial record, as well. which you have become a makeshift expert in whether you like it or not. >> so be it. >> he's talked and sometimes bragged about the business record and specifically his use of bankruptcy laws. take a listen. >> trump corporations, casinos and hotels have declared bankruptcy four times over the last quarter century. >> i have used the laws of this

country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have used the laws of this country. >> you ran up mountains of debt as well as losses using other people's money and you were forced to file for bankruptcy not once, not twice, four times. >> i never filed. >> a record four times. >> you took four major projects into bankruptcy over and over again. you can't take america into bankruptcy. >> i have used the law four times. i made a tremendous thing, a very good job. >> there is no debate about the fact that he has controlled entities that used corporate bankruptcy. >> right. >> the debate over what that means about him as a businessman and a potential government leader. >> right. >> your scoring of that debate? >> clarify what he is' talking about. corporate bankruptcy. he's right. it is allowed by law and legal and not an ordinary business practice and not correct that,

you know, every great business leader has had some brush with bankruptcy. that's not true. it's certainly happened. there have been some -- people like to point out henry ford declared bankruptcy once or twice -- and the companies failed before succeeding and lots of examples of companies that failed before succeeding but going back to bankruptcy court over and over is not a mark of success. those companies failed. now, to be fair to him, he has a lot of venture, probably hundreds of different enterprises under the umbrella of the trump original sigs and most did not declare bankruptcy but you don't -- ceos don't say how can i boost the performance of the company today? innovate or i can invest in plants or people or declare bankruptcy. that's not the way it goes. you declare when everything else fails. >> part of what you are saying is the way he portrays casually is, yeah, we made money and sometimes went to bankruptcy as

a plan "b." are you aing it's not a plan "b"? >> it's a plan "x" and exhaust everything else before declaring bankruptcy and probably what happened in the four properties in atlantic city and unrelated and heaped over different periods of time but, you know, trump says, look, my business expertise is the thing to make me a great president. you can't look at bankruptcy declaration as anything to use in government. know equivalent lent in government. you have to work through the difficult, boring details of finding money, shaving a penny here, there and just so happens we have a huge indebtedness problem at the federal level and nothing close to bankruptcy to solve that. it has to be solved some place else. we need to ask him how will you deal with that? bankruptcy is not an option. >> part of the dynamic is him being treated like a front-runner and getting that scrutiny and whether that evolves people's perception of him. >> right. >> we hear from folks all the

time, you cover donald trump too much but he's emerged in the front of the polls. but he's actually getting covered less. new data out today to read from. on set of trump fatigue has begun politico writes. mentions are trending down for a month. his share of twitter conversation, that's not us in the media. that's everyone out there. relative to other candidates declined. radio and tv conversation peaked on august 7th. the day after the republican debate and the last time he reached even half as many mentions on either medium late august after clashed with anchor ramos. beyond the business record, do you think as a reporter that we have seen him plateau and begin to drop? >> ma be topping out and not going to flame out and the reason for that is a couple of things. he's tapped into something that's very real whether he did it deliberately or not which is deep and in some ways legitimate disgust with the political establishment. that is not going to go away.

most of the other candidates come from that political establishment so his reason for being will remain. i think the other factor is how much of his own money he's really willing to spend to stick in the race and costing a lot of money as it goes on. is he willing to put it snup. >> you saw that and something people forget. difference of trump and perry is not only popularity. funding. >> money. >> perry had to go. like a trump subsidiary, trump dipping in the polls can keep spending the way into the conversation. >> stay there if he wants to. >> rick, thank you so much. >> sure thing. and up next, well beyond a paycheck, why happiness in the workplace and even meaningful day-to-day labor should not be a luxury for a fortunate few. we'll talk about meaning. we'll speak to the author of a new book about why the way we work right now isn't working for everybody. this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should.

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actively disengaged with work. our next guest has a new book, "why we work." he followed workers in all kinds of industries, revealing what can lead to happiness. here to share his findings is the author, barry schwartz. >> great to be with you. >> great to have you. this is something people can relate to. even folks who have a steady job or a decent income are often disengaged, to use the word from the gallup survey. >> yes. >> talk about what that entails. then a while get to some of what you find in the search for meaning. >> sure. so we have assumed as a society for 200 years that the only reason anyone ever works is for pay. and as long as they're paid, it doesn't much matter what they do. you can make the work as demeaning and boring, monotonous, whatever it is, as you want. if the paycheck is there at the end of the week, they're okay. this turns out to be false. it was never true.

it's not true now. some of us think, there's us, people like you and me, who care about other things, then there's everybody else and all everybody else cares about is a paycheck. the point of my book is to show that's simply not true. >> what about people who work in large organizations, particularly when you have retail or something, where there's a format and it's hard to break out of that format, and not only that, but people feel that if they try to do something different, when you talk about the search for meaning, to innovate, or even add some personal style or whatever, they're actually punished for it, they're told that's not what you're asked to do. >> you're absolutely right. my book is not pointing the finger of blame at employees. it's pointing the finger of blame at the people who manage employees. you're right, if you step up and try to take initiative and actually care about leaving every customer satisfied, you get slapped down. so the problem is really in the ideology, about how work should

be organized and what people care about. and the weird thing about this is that there's lots of evidence that if you have an enlightened workplace where people are eager to show up every day, profits go up. it's not an act of charity to your employees. yes, they're better off, but so is the company. >> what is the sort of evidence or study or anecdotal examples of that? >> one anecdotal example is a carpet manufacturer made a lot of money and decided, i don't need anymore money, i want to produce a zero footprint, i want there to be an environment for my grandchildren to enjoy. he completely remade the company and everybody thought he would lose the company doing it. they're about three quarters of the way there and profits have gone up consistently. the reason why is people now show up to work with a mission. they're not just making carpet. they're saving the earth. they work hard, they're full of good ideas. much more effective and efficient work than was true

before. he didn't expect it. and it's just, you give people an opportunity to be able to answer the question why am i showing up for work, aside from the paycheck, and all of a sudden, you know, they just can't wait to do the job. >> how long do you think someone has to be in a given job or industry to figure out whether that's even the right thing for them? >> i don't think it's so much about the industry. about the job, i think you can get a sign early on. how much are people looking over your shoulder? how much do people think that the way to motivate employees is by dangling carrots in front of them? if that seems to be the way the company works, close supervision, lots of incentives, chances are good they're not going to be interested in giving you an opportunity to get meaning and satisfaction out of our jobs. >> best companies, in your view, on this score? >> i don't know. there are companies like the container store, which is not one you would company, it's just retail. they sell these plastic things

that you put all the junk you shouldn't have bought into. employees love working there. they think every customer coming in is a problem they can solve, and when they do, they feel like they've made somebody's life better. and all they're doing is working retail. >> i didn't know you were going to say that, but i always find the container store very relaxing. >> they don't try to up-sell you. >> right. >> they often will sell you something for cheaper than what you're looking. >> from spiritual meaning to well-sized containers. thanks for joining us. stay with us. today, jason is here to volunteer

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we're following breaking news on wall street right now, where markets plunged today, the dow closing down nearly 300 points. the drop comes one day after the federal reserve decided not to raise interest rates. let's get the very latest from cnbc's mary thompson. does today's selloff indicate investors are worried about the health of the economy? >> reporter: i think they're worried about the health of the global economy, not necessarily the economy in the u.s. that's because yesterday fed chair janet yellen said one of the reasons the fed reserve did not raise interest rates was because of concerns about the international economy,