revolution square meets the pontiff. tens of thousands turn out in cuba to hear pope francis' historic message. we'll tell you what he said. new hope. another country says it's accepting more migrants, and they pile on trains in a further wave of desperation. new polls at least one candidate gains ground on the leader in the gop while the democrats battle it out in a key state.

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mass in holguin and on tuesday in santiago de cuba. nbc's claudia levanga is there. what did the pope say? >> reporter: it was clearly a pastoral message. what you will hear from a homily during a mass. he quoted jesus christ as he said it is important in any community to respect your neighbor and in particular, he said this here in cuba. also the patron saint of cuba where he's going to pray for in the cathedral in santiago in the next few days to protect cuban people. there was no political message there. the political statement was made by a number of people who during the -- when the pope was circling the square in his popemobile tried to throw a number of leaflets at the pope

and they were dragged away by the cuban authorities. we don't know what the leaflets said but we understand and believe they were in some way related to civil and human rights. some issues that the pope has not addressed yet during his visit in cuba. >> claudio, how much do those protesters reflect the numbers of people in cuba and their reaction to the pope? it's been overwhelmingly positive, has it not? >> well, of course, this morning we saw, if not tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people, welcoming the pope there. lining up from very early hours of the morning. the cuban government puts that number to more than 1 million. by the look of it, it may not be so inaccurate. there were, of course, concerns that dissidents and relatives of political prisoners were not given a voice. they said that they did ask for a meeting and the pope had to

decline. the pope also, of course, not here on a diplomatic mission. he will kind of try to stick it to the pastoral and as kind of a pilgrimage, even though he's spoken out on the u.s. -- on the normalizing with relations between the u.s. and cuba in which he played a key role. >> he absolutely did. and to that end because he played that key role behind the scenes having sent letters to the presidents of both countries urging for a normalization of religions. do you think he may hear the protesters concerns about human right s and speak privately wit castro about that? >> well, we will have to wait and see about that. now he is meeting with the president raul castro this afternoon. so we will hear about that. we will hear what they will have talked about. so the hope, of course, by the dissidents is that he will address in some way or another the issue, even though he's not

going to talk about the issue directly with them. >> claudio lavanga in havana, thanks so much. on tuesday, pope francis arrives in washington. wednesday he meets president obama at the white house. thursday he addresses a joint session of congress. friday, the pope travels here to new york where he'll address the united nations. he'll be visiting the september 11th memorial as well. on saturday, the pope travels to philadelphia where he will hold mass at a cathedral there. then he'll speak at independence hall. sunday pope francis will meet with prison inmates and he delivers mass at the world meeting of families. 2 million people are expected to attend. sunday evening he heads back to the vatican. from there to politics now, the new republican polls are in. little surprise, donald trump stays on top. y in in nbc news survey monkey results, trump has more than

doubled his lead. in the cnn/orc poll, trump leads but carly fiorina is gaining ground. and today on "meet the press," donald trump finally answered questions about the controversy over his supporters' anti-muslum and anti-president obama remarks. >> i feel strongly the muslims oar i know so many muslims that are such fabulous people, but there is a problem. no question about it. we can be politically correct and say there is no problem whatsoever, but the fact is there is a problem with some, and it's a very severe problem, and it's a problem taking place all over the world. i have such great respect and love for so many of the people. they are great people. >> that wasn't enough for hillary clinton who made her first sunday talk show appearance in four years. >> he is fueling a level of paranoia and prejudice against all kinds of people. and when you light those fires, you better recognize that they

can get out of control. and he should start dampening them down and putting them out. >> perhaps the most surprising comments came from ben carson. >> should a president's faith matter? should your faith matter to voters? >> i guess it depends on what that faith is. if it's inconsistent with the values and principles of america, then, of course, it should matter. but if it fits within the realm of america and consistent with the constitution, no problem. >> so do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution? >> no, i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> well, for more on donald trump's trip to iowa, let's go to hallie jackson. >> hi there. ben carson making headlines for his controversial comment oz "meet the press" this morning.

now for the first time donald trump is responding to his own controversy, and, true to form, he is unapologetuc, defending what he didn't say. accused by his rivals of being sophomoric, this weekend, donald trump held with high schoolers at homecoming. >> give me five. >> but even here, he couldn't escape his latest controversy. >> would i consider putting a muslim american in my cabinet? absolutely no problem with that, okay? the question coming after trump didn't denounce a supporter last week who called muslims a problem and who incorrectly claimed president obama is not christian or a u.s. citizen. now trump is finally breaking his silence by noting he rarely is. >> for the first time in my lfrks i got in trouble by not saying anything. i didn't say anything. >> trump defending himself by reading a series of his tweets out loud. >> a no-win situation. >> am i morally obligated to

defend the president? christians, that's all of us, need support. >> the candidate trying to shift the conversation to religious liberties, a key issue in iowa. >> i brought my bible. >> reporter: in hopes of widening his lead over ben carson and ted cruz who was asked about his opponenty latest controversy. >> the president's faith is between him and god. >> reporter: trump now coming under fire from democrats. >> he's been trafficking in prejudice and paranoia throughout this campaign. >> reporter: hillary clinton galvanizing her supporters at a new hampshire democratic convention. a state she still trails bernie sanders. >> we're going to win because there are more of us than there are billionaires. >> reporter: there's still a wild card in the democratic race. vice president joe biden. a recent poll indicates if he decides not to run, hillary clinton would benefit more than bernie sanders. but no decision from biden.

it remains to be seen when he might announce either way, either before or after that first democratic event on october 13th. joining me now with more from the campaign trail, "new york times" political reporter jeremy peters. welcome to you. i want to take a closer look at the new polls out. the survey from nbc news and survey monkey which asked republicans who they will vote for, who they think will win. nearly one-third think it will be nominee trump. it would appear people are no long longer just attracted to the entertainment of it all. they really think he's going to win. should that be a surprise? >> i don't think so. we've seen those numbers start to come down. i don't think september is the month in which you want to be at the top of the polls. once you start getting into november and december is when this race will really start to tighten. i think that there have been a couple of things over the last few days that have undermined

trump's candidacy. two of the major strengths of hrks one is his argument he's a competent leader. the other is his self-certainty. both of those things, they started to chip away a little bit. he wasn't able to -- in a way that was concise, clear, answer questions about how he would deal with foreign leaders at the debate. he looked out of his element. second, he's had to really explain himself out of this muslim controversy. he doesn't look like the same self-confident trump that i think a lot of people are attracted to. >> hillary clinton, as it was, her first sunday talk show in four years. the campaign has been trying to have her appear more open and personable. do you see signs it's working? >> i think when you put her in setting s like that interview w just saw on cbs, the videotape that surfaced with the black lives matter protesters.

when she is able to speak her mind in a setting that isn't so scripted, she really shines. and i think that the more that she gets away from these controlled campaign settings, i think the better she serves herself. >> why do you think she doesn't do that more on her own accord? you can prep her, do this and do that, but she's the one who has to do this or do that. >> exactly. it's an inability to get out of her own way. it's her campaign's inability sometimes to get out of her way and let her be herself. they are so cautious. and that's what undid their 2008 candidacy. and i think right now they argue, and they argue effectively that it's too early. and i think it's -- what's happening is, frankly, it's getting later and they're giving her more room. she's giving herself more room to be herself. >> what about ben carson's statement that he doesn't think

a muslim should be president of the united states. you think there's going to be blowback there? >> that was frankly stunning. when you go back and watch the interview, ben carson said that unprompted. he didn't say do you think a muslim should be president? he sid that on his own. that was just startling. i think that ben carson's candidacy was always a little bit of a boomlet. i think he has the same problem that trump has in that he doesn't look serious enough to be a president. and, yeah, if you go back to the facts, to the history of our nation with the exception of the founding fathers this country has only elected victorious military jrgenerals or people w have served in senior offices. history is useful until it's wrong. that's a good indicator of where americans' minds are and they aren't the type of people to take a gamble on somebody who looks unserious. >> jeremy, i'm looking at this

piece you wrote on thursday which looks at carly fiorina as a way for her to reach women. with hillary clinton's popularity falling among women as questions about her honesty and integrity continue to shroud her, many republicans are seeing fiorina as a much more serious contender for the vice presidential contender or large leadership role within the party. so is it her gender alone? do you think she seems comfortable playing that role, though, the focus on gender? >> she's not comfortable playing that role. and i think when you go back to that question in the debate of what woman would you put on the $10 bill, carly said in a way that none of the men on stage could, i think this is empty symbolism. that would be an empty gesture. i'm not going to answer it. that's -- that was telling. that told you that she doesn't want to be the token female candidate.

she shouldn't be. that said, i do think that the republican party needs kind of an anti-hillary. and she is that person for the moment. whether or not, as i said, that's as the nominee, that will sort of tell out. but i think the republican party is looking to give her a much larger role going forward in some senior capacity. >> and maybe so as reflected by the nbc news survey monkey. she won that debate. she won it by 36%. donald trump came in second. jeremy peters, good to see you. thank you so much. after traveling hundreds of miles, migrants in europe are finding their path to safety blocked. coming up, a live report on the new routes they're using now. through elkhorn ranch, the sudden loss of pasture became a serious problem for a family business. faced with horses that needed feeding and a texas drought that sent hay prices soaring, the owners had to act fast.

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good morning. i'm liking you more and more all the time. those are great numbers. >> you like the poll numbers. >> these polls don't really mean anything at thus stage. george, you are a veteran of campaigns. i'm not sure the mid-september numbers are where you want. >> listen to what i actually say when i have an opportunity to say it and something other than a one-minute sound bite. >> a couple of new polls which have donald trump with the easy lead for the 2016 republican primary. is marco rubio right, is it all meaningless at this point of the race? he's an opinion editor at forbes and a senior fellow at the manhattan institute. you're one busy guy adding this to your duties today. first of all, now that your candidate is out of the running, whom are you going to support? >> i haven't made a decision on that.

i would say there's this contest right now in the conservative movement and republican party as to what kind of a party does the republican party want to be? does it want to be identity politics for white people or stand for the principle of individual liberty is something that will make life better for people of all backgrounds and all income levels. the people making that latter case will attract not only my support but the support of most americans. >> and who are those candidates you saw that are going to attract a more diverse crowd under the tend? >> you saw in that debate last week. donald trump was criticizing jeb bush for speaking spanish to someone on the campaign trail. both governor bush and senator rubio went out of their way to say, we want to speak spanish to people who speak spanish so they are hearing our message directly. it's not just about that. it's about relatability. people who are immigrants to this country, african-americans, they have often a very different experience in america than

people who were here traditionally. that's something that as a politician, if you can relate to that and understand that experience, that matters more than even what policies you advocate. there are people in this race drawing those contrasts and relating to people of all backgrounds. that's real important. >> you wrote a column following the debate. you went out on a limb wrighting that you expect the gop nominee to be bush, christie or rubio. they're significantly down in the polls compared to trump, carson and fiorina. when do you think that's going to change? when do you think among those three that you named will become front-runners? >> one thing you have to remember is we're very early in the race. i don't mean that from a calendar standpoint. none of the candidates have run negative ads against any of the other candidates. jeb bush's super pac has $100 million on the sidelines waiting to be deployed.

people haven't vetted the records of these outsiders in a way that will happen as the campaign gets into full swing. when you look at trump and carson and fiorina. when they are on the stage in front of the camera, there are many things appealing. once you get into their records, the bloom may come off the rose, or it won't be as perfect as it is today. and some of those candidates with actual governing and legislative experience will rise to the fore. people who have slugolutions fo the real problems and challenges. >> what about the major issue in the debate, planned parenthood and the prospect of republicans again shutting down the government over its funding. does that play well for republicans? >> there is a group of activists who really believe that we should shut down the government or we should risk precipitating a shutdown in order to defund planned parenthood. as some of the people argue, you can put that in a bill and the

president vetoes it, then go do something else. one thing that's very important for conservatives to understand is the president is a democrat who doesn't support the defunding of planned parenthood. that prevents you from achieving some of your goals. conservatives need to be more realistic about what you can achieve in divided government. >> are you saying it's a waste of time to push this planned parenthood defunding and shutting down the government? >> i don't think it's a waste of time to put in a bill. have the president veto it and do what you have to do to keep the government open from a bipartisan standpoint. you won't get everything you independent life when you have divided government. try to move the ball down the field. don't feel like you have to score a touchdown on every piece of legislation. >> talk about ben carson who was on "meet the press" this morning. he spoke about religion. >> should a president's faith matter? should your faith matter to voters? >> i guess it depends on what

that faith is. if it's inconsistent with the values and principles of america, then, of course, it should matter. but if it fits within the realm of america and consistent with the situation, no problem. >> so do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution? >> no, i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> does this do any widespread damage to ben carson or the republican party? >> let's talk about the substance for a minute. article 6 of the constitution specifically prohibits a religious test for public office. ben carson is someone who believes in the constitution and should want to uphold that principle when it comes to muslims speaking public office. and i hope that people who care about the constitution ask him about that. as we go forward. does it hurt the republican

party? no. again, what we're seeing here is this split. this division where the candidates who really do want to reach out to minorities and immigrants and african-americans are making a point of doing that. that's allowing them. what's happening with trump and some of these other candidates is alouing them to separate themselves. we remember 23 years ago when bill clinton had his famous sister soldier moment where he pushed back against radical left wing rhetoric at the moment. republicans are doing something in terms of the naughtivist impulse that donald trump and others are cultivating. when one of those candidates is a nominee, that will make a big difference. >> thanks. we'll see you again. pope francis' first visit to the u.s. is just days away. what will it take to make him safe? that discussion coming up.

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with alex witt." a new tragedy in europe's migrant crisis. 13 people, including children died in turkish waters when their boat collided with a cargo ship. 46 people were on board. and the chaotic scene out of croat croatia. all in a desperate attempt to reach austria and germany. jacob, i want to ask you about this news conference with secretary of state john kerry in berlin talking about the u.s. taking in more refugees. >> secretary kerry held a news conference with the german foreign minister and announced 85,000 refugees from around the world will come to the states next year. that's up 15,000 and 100,000 the following year. many of the additional refugees will be syrian. kerry said this step is in keeping with america's best tradition as a lot of second

chances and a beacon of hope. of course, these numbers are far fewer than countries like germany who have taken in nearly 1 million refugees. the migrants would be referred to the u.s. by the united nations and screened by the u.s. dptd of homeland security before being resettled around the united states. this hand as you said as they would announce 13 refugees including children drowned off the coast of turkey when their ferry collided with a cargo ship. another off the greece island with 46 migrants and refugees on board and the coast guard is still searching for 26 people there. and then we're seeing those chaotic images. migrants scramble, tossing each other on to buses. we've seen this before but now in a different country. and the weather is also new. for weeks the heat has been relentless. it's raining and cold, especially at night. the crisis is creating rifts between european nations. hungary completed the razor wire

fence on its southern border with serbia and is now building more fences. there have been repeated calls for the european union to unite on this issue. it just is not happening. many hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants have already made the more than 1500-mile journey and many more thousands are on their way with hopes of finishing the journey before winter. >> jacob, we're looking at these pictures. they are heartbreaking of this train in croatia. people trying to get on board. i'm noticing parents pushing their children. some young kids on board those trains. is there any guarantee that families get to stay together? it doesn't look like it's organized enough to guarantee that. >> there isn't. as we've seen throughout our reporting last week and the week before, richard engel and bill neily and others who have seen these children being put into

windows, and it just not happening. i've spoken to families who the husband has made it and they are waiting for their children or wife and some knowing this will happen deliberately keep their wife and children or another member of the family in turkey, say, or somewhere else as they make the journey safely and then see about how to get the rest of their family to be there together. >> it's an extraordinary thing to be witnessing. all right. thank you so much, jason rascon from london. to find out how you might be able to help, has to msnbc.com for a list of organizations there to help out. thousands of people remain in revolution plaza just moments after pope francis wrapped up morning mass there. it was the first two of masses planned during his visit to cuba. on tuesday he travels to the u.s. for the first time ever. the pontiff's presence in america comes at a crucial time for the catholic church. a study by the pew research center says more than half of

those raised as adults have left the church and 41% have never returned. thomas roberts sat down with a group of catholics whose leave lives conflict with church doctrine but all of them say that pope francis is bringing people like them back to the church. >> just by a show of hands, who considers themselves to be a practicing catholic? let's go around the group and i'll start with kathy. give me one word for pope francis. >> francis-like. >> dawn? >> it's not one word but i was going to say fresh air. >> kevin? >> humble. >> humble. >> sarah? >> hopeful. >> jorge? >> different. >> denise? >> light. >> why do you say light? >> people whoer banished from the religion because of the traditions of it now can see a light.

>> and i think we can hear the beautiful church of st. pat's be hind us as the bells are going off. does anyone feel intimidated to talk about the church and conflicts with the church? . >> coming up, you'll hear more from thomas robert's panel interview on the pope's impact on the u.s. let's go to politics and a shake-up for the race in the republican nomination. a new cnn poll shows carly fiorina surging. she's gained 12 points putting her in second place and now ahead by one point of ben carson. donald trump is still leading the pack and he's down eight points. joining me now is rich galen. and howard dean, former vermont governor. good to see you both. rich, any sense of relief from the gop establishment that donald trump may be losing some steam here?

>> i think you can hear the mass exhale of relief in washington, d.c. he's down eight points but that represents eight percentage points. that represents a 25% decrease. that's a quarter of support that has deserted him. i tweeted during the campaign when fiorina was going after him for that rolling stone article. i tweeted note the date and time. this is the apex of the trump campaign. i've been wrong about this governor ever since the whole thing started. don't take it to the bank. that's what's so interesting. people don't want to say that but you've come out and said that. we have to wait and see about donald trump. all bets are off with him and he's rewriting things and can't look at political history and say we see where this is going. >> yeah, i have no -- >> how sure are you? >> i have no reputation to protect. that's why i say the things i say. >> how about this.

the tleel peophree people leadip polls, three outsiders that have never held public office. are they comfortable with one of them emerging as the g.e. candidate? >> the question that people ask each other around here, having run the dnc, governor dean knows this as well, is who do you think will come out the other end? and the sportswriter from the early part of the last century once wrote saying that race may not always be to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet. i finishithink if you took a po republicans and democrats inside the beltway, it would be bush versus clinton when it comes to the finals. >> howard, senator sanders leading in new hampshire and iowa. will it find its level on both sides in the end? outsiders fading to an extent as it march oz?

>> bernie is running a terrific campaign. at the end of the day, they vote for experience. i am totally wrong about trump as well. here's the most interesting thing i saw in that poll. even though trump has fallen off significantly, the person who has gained the most other than fiorina is only two points behind fiorina is ted cruz at 9%. that's got to be somewhat worrying. you've got four potential nominees. the top four in the polls that are going to have a rough sled. >> cruz has been really smart. he's cozied up to trump. he has not engaged in the crossfire that perry did, and rand paul did. and i think there's a good reason for that. i think he also believes that trump can't sustain this. he's a novelty act. what cruz wants is the trump supporters to come to him. not as a begrudging enemy but somebody that got along with trump in the first place.

i think that's what you're seeing there and it's working for him so far. >> i want to play more of my discussion with ralph nader. he was on the broadcast yesterday. >> it's all a side show. the media has a responsibility to call it for what it is. and start sponsoring really serious discussion about matters that are on people's minds trying to raise their families and send them to schools and having a safe, helpful environment and having their taxes respected in terms of the way they're used. that's why i think there's a left/right alliance bubbling up there around the country on a lot of issues, including restoring the minimum wage which has been gutted for tens of millions of american workers. >> so do you think the primaries can be dismissed as the silly season until the field thins or is the gop overall and the leader of the pack right now, lowering the level of discourse. does the american public deserves better? >> we're all guilty of helping

to dumb down the system, i think. i think we all have some responsibility there. but, you know, when you go back to four years ago, there was a time when michele bachmann was leading, newt gingrich was leading and rick perry was leading. a couple of others. santorum, of course. these things go up and down, up and down. and i think i'm write about this that in the summer before, the fall before, people are tinkering with who they think they might be interesting to keep watching. when it comes down to actually voting, whether it's in a caucus in iowa or a primary in new hampshire or down the road, i think americans take voigting f president pretty seriously. >> i'm going to make a point that all those you named, they were all elected officials. they weren't technically outsiders.

listen to the crowd yesterday in new hampshire. they were demanding more debates. >> trump was at it again. one of his supporters in the audience called president obama a muslim. my friends, what's more important, drawing a contrast with republicans or arguing about debates? let's focus on our mission and the task at hand. >> howard, wouldn't the democrats help elevate the discourse by holding more debates? why limit the number? don't they deserve to hear from more candidates more prominently? the gop is allowing that. >> i would say to the detriment of the gop. let me explain this quickly. i was the one that put in the six-debate limit to protect the candidates so you wouldn't have the spectacle we saw in 2012 and in 2016 with 11 people on the stage each making a bigger fool of themselves. >> that's not the number of

debates. that's the number of candidates. >> that's true. that's one of the issues. also this ongoing multiple debates. reince priebus has tried to cut that down. romney got hung out to drive because he was hng out there for four months trying to outwrite rick santorum. you can't come back that far. here's the problem. the problem is not the number of six debaits. that's paid for by the television studios. they'll do that. the problem is the so-called exclusivity rule. that they should get rid of. there's a rule of the dnc which is different than what we had which is if you participate in another debate, then you can't participate in these six debates. that's a mistake. it's a good thing to limit the debates, but there will be 15 debates one way or another. when several interest groups in nevada or south carolina or new hampshire or iowa ask you to come to their debate three weeks before their primary, you're going to go. it's a very contorted complex

thing. i think the tweak is not to add more debates because they'll happen anyway. the tweak is to get rid of the exclusivity rule. you are still welcome in the six major debates. >> clearly i asked the right guy that question. rich, your final thoughts before we let you go. >> this is what we do. this is the way america chooses its leadership. countries that have parliamentary elections, they do the same thing but it happens behind closed doors. these fights behind closed doors and whoever emerges becomes the party leader and prime minister if they take over. people around the world can laugh at us and point at us. it is sausage being made that it generally tastes pretty good at the other end. >> rich and howard, good to see you both. thank you guys. how so many people are cashing in by playing video games online. what's behind the boom, next.

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in today's tech trended, an explosion in youtube channels devoted to gamers. millions of viewers log in around in world and watch other people play hours and hours of video games. >> oh, god, poor thing. i just want to put it out of its misery. >> this guy runs the most popular youtube channel with more than 39 million subscribers. he's among the list of gamers turned millionaires. and that does have a lot of parents concerned. shaw walters joins me. so the fact it's a distraction for kids is one thing. you and i talked before about parents and their concerns. what are they? >> i think the most obvious concern is that they are spinding all of their time in front of the computer. i think that deeper than that, there's a lot of issues around the content they're being

exposed to. generally like cutie pie who you just showed. he has 39 million subscribers. the most popular youtuber in the world of any genre. he's a 20-something-year-old making content that would be probably reasonably okay for a 20-year-old to watch. some of it is very offensive, to be honest. and definitely not -- >> there's no regulations. >> there's no regulations. >> nudity regulation? >> there is. and that's sort of one of the interesting paradigms. youtube will block nudity, but just about anything else is okay in terms of language and content violence. >> it's a phenomenon that's exploding. last year amazon bought the video game streaming service twitch. it's extraordinary. youtube launched its own gaming service. youtube gaming. they want to outplay all the

competition. it's clearly this is not going to go away any time soon. do you think there should be some restrictions and filters? >> absolutely. it's a difficult situation. you have a technology which is freely available, open to anyone. anyone can visit a website like twitch or youtube without logging in and you can watch a video immediately. if you don't log in, from their side, they have a really difficult time filtering that content for you. they do have something, like age restrictions, like family filter. but generally even then your content has to be deemed not family friendly, which is not most content. >> how much money does he make and how does he make the money? >> he makes a lot off of advertising and different youtube tie-ins. also does a lot of reviews of different games. i'm not sure what the numbers are there. it's estimated he's milwaukakint

$250,000 a month. and it's increasing. >> you teach kids how to build their own websites and do these youtube channels. how hard is it? >> it requires a little production knowledge. i think there's a lot behind the scenes people take for granted. cutie pie is recording a video of his face while recording himself playing the game. that's done in different software he has to put together. generally when i teach the idea of youtube, parents don't want their kids to be putting their face on youtube. there's a lot of reasons why. they love the idea their kids are learning video production and some very valuable skills thaul probably use in their life. so most -- if you do see kids on youtube, you'll see most of them probably have the help of their parents at least in some part of the process. >> or a guy like shawn walters. coming up, how to keep a pope who likes to mingle with

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europe. where will they be going next? welcome to weekends with alex witt. here's what's happening right now. let's go to politics and the 2016 campaign trail. the big winner this week may be carly fiorina. a new nbc news/survey monkey result shows 36% of republicans think she won wednesday night's debate. now momentum is pushing her up in the cnn/orc poll. today on "meet the press," trump finally answered questions about the controversy over his supporters' anti-muslim and anti-president obama remarks. >> i feel strongly that muslims are excellent. i know so many muslims that are fabulous people but there is a problem. and we can be politically correct and say there is no problem whatsoever but the fact is there is a problem with some

and it's a very severe problem, and it's a problem that's taking plaus all over the world. >> in her first sunday talk show appearance in four years, hillary clinton called on donald trump to do much more. >> he is fueling a level of paranoia and prejudice against all kinds of people. and when you light those fires, you better recognize that they can get out of control. and he should start dampening them down and putting them out. >> but perhaps the most surprising comments came from ben carson. >> should a president's faith matter? should your faith matter to voters? >> well, i guess it depends on what that faith is? if it's inconsistent with the values and principles of america, then, of course, it should matter. but if it fits within the realm of america and consistent with the constitution, no problem. >> so do you believe that islam

is consistent with the constitution? >> no, i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> and now religion has been thrust into the forefront of the 2016 presidential campaign from ben carson to the donald trump controversy. kristen welker is at the white house. welcome. this issue keeps getting some new life to it. what kind of reaction is there likely to be to carson's remarks? >> it's interesting, alex. carson's remarks could play well with republican primary voters. they are certainly consistent with what happened with donald trump a few days ago when he didn't refute one of his supporters who suggested that -- wrongly suggested that president obama wasn't a christian, wasn't born in this country. they are also the type of comments that make establishment gop members very nervous, jittery that it could hurt the eventual gop nominee's chances

in a general election with minorities and religious minorities. interesting to point out that establishment candidate john kasich, ohio governor, got a similar question from chuck todd and answered it very differently. take a listen. >> that's such a hypothetical question. the answer is, at the end of the day, you have to go through the rigors, and people will look at everything. for me, the most important thing about being president is that you have leadership skills. you know what you are doing and you can help fix this country and raise this country. those are the qualifications that matter to me. >> alex it is clear religion is something that resonates, though. case in point, donald trump appeared at a campaign event this weekend holding his bible. he hasn't spoken a whole lot about his religion. however, the optics were clear. he's trying to reach out to some of those evangelical voters who are so critical in a primary election. we're getting some new polling

numbers. donald trump is still the front-runner. however, his lead seems to be breaking a little bit. it's dropped by eight points. he leads the pack with 24%. carly fiorina now in second place after dominating at this week's past debate. it's clear primary voters are paying attention now that we're entering the fall election season. all of these comments are starting to resnat and have an impact. >> rich galen believes he's seen the beginning of the downward spiral of donald trump. >> a lot of people are speculating that. >> we predicted that before and it hasn't happened. let's get reactions. john harwood and political writer for "the new york times" along with reuters political reporter erin mcpike. good to see you both. john, i spoke with former rick perry senior adviser. he said ben carson's remarks

will not hurt the republican party as a whole, just the nonestablishment candidates. do you think that's true? >> i doubt they'll hurt the republican party as a whole because i don't think ben carson will be the nominee. ben carson is somebody who is new to the political process. he was -- he said something that a lot of the country is going to be highly offended by, but i don't think that that is going to stick to the republican party given his status in the race and his future in the race. >> okay. erin, when you look at ben carson's track record and past statements on other potentially divisive issues, is this something that should be a surprise coming from him? >> no, not at all. the other thing i would point out is especially in iowa, there are a lot of evangelical voters who may very well agree with what ben carson is saying, and those evangelical voters are lining up behind him. he could take a lot from santorum and huckabee and some

of the others. and those comments with that part of the base may help him, at least in the primary. >> i'm curious, do you think this is a question that all of the candidates now need to be on the record with? john, to you first. >> depend oz what the question is. chuck asked ben carson, do you think islam is consistent with the constitution? and carson said no. carson didn't indicate what he meant. i have no idea what he meant. i think he was just saying that i'm a conservative christian, and i feel more comfortable with a conservative christian. i can't imagine a serious candidate for the republican nomination is going to say, yes, i think we should have a religious test for leadership of this country since that is explicitly prohibited in the constitution. i don't know what the relevant question is exactly. >> you want a stab at that, erin? >> i'd agree with john on that very point. the constitutionality of it doesn't make any sense at all.

however, some of the mistrust of muslims that some of these republican candidates are talking about. there's a share of the republican party that does kind of agree with that. so i think that there might be republicans who would agree with ben carson on some level. and what this makes me think of is back in 2008 when barack obama was running for president and there was a slice of the republican electorate that called him a muslim. colin powell went on "meet the press" and said, first of all, he isn't, but second of all, it shouldn't matter if he is. we're not seeing any of that rhetoric come from the republican party. but we're seven years removed from that. maybe some republicans need to step in and say something like that again. >> okay. carly fiorina. john, you interviewed her earlier this week before the debate. here's part of that conversation. >> i'm not quite sure when as a nation we got used to the idea that only professional politicians can run for office.

they are jobs that take a technical understanding. flying an airplane is one of them. and a ceo is a job that requires a level of technical mastery built over time. here are the experience -- >> you think it's easier to run the country than a corporation? >> no. i believe i am the most qualified candidate running in either party to be president of the united states. >> so the qualifications didn't cut it for senate race. do you think she can sell her hewlett-packard days with all the baggage there? >> i think it will be extremely difficult. some other campaigns in the race believe she's won fluight of negative campaign ads away from being wiped ot of the race like barbara boxer did using carly fiorina talking about layoffs and outsourcing and all the money she made at hewlett-packard. it's not necessarily disqualifying, but it's something she's going to have to deal with. they had a merger between compaq

and hewlett-packard. it increased the revenues but not the profitability. the share price went down and shareholders lost some of their capital and she's going to have to defend that since that's the biggest job she had before seeking the presidency. >> erin, another thing, while she still performed well in the eyes of most republicans, she's getting heat about an alleged abortion video which planned parenthood says does not exist. she's only worried right now about republican primaries. >> i don't think it hurts her at all, as it turns out in the republican primary. she's doing quite well. in fact, i'm hearing it from a lot of women who are interested in what she brings to the table. and really want to hear more from her. she's showing herself as a credible candidate on a host of issues. sm she seems to have a good grasp of foreign policy and people want to hear more from her. that's why we're seeing her

shoot up in the polls. as far as electora electorate, i don't think they are worried about some of these issues. they just want to see more from her. i don't think she'll be hurt at least in the primary at all. >> alex, the one thing she showed in that debate, and that she showed in her life, frankly, over the last several years overcoming the loss of a stepdaughter and bat elling breast cancer, this is a tough human being. and toughness is a quality that's valued in presidential politics. she showed backbone on the campaign -- on the debate stage in taking on donald trump. that's an attribute that will serve her well regardless of some aspects of her record. >> well enough to launch her into a veep nomination position if she doesn't get the top spot, john? >> i think it would be a challenge for carly fiorina to make it on to the republican ticket in either spot because i do believe that -- let's say she's not the nominee.

does someone want to incorporate the hewlett-packard story line baggage on to the republican ticket? i don't know. as i said, not necessarily disqualifying. it's going to be a challenge for her. she's made it credible -- a credible start in the race. we'll see where she can take it from here. >> thanks, john and erin. some breaking news from havana. pope francis has met with fidel castro during his historic visit to cuba. it comes as tens of thousands of cubans gathered in revolution plaza hoping to catch a glimpse of pope francis. worshippers filled the cathedral and watched from outside as the pope spoke from the altar. claudio lavagna is in havana. do we know any more about the details around this meeting? >> reporter: yes, we are just getting some details by the spokesperson for the vatican and the pope here in havana. he confirmed that the pope met

with fidel castro at his own private home after the mass. the conversation went on for about a half an hour, 45 minutes. the pope has given two religious books to fidel that were related to what was discussed between fidel castro and the pope's predecessor benedict xvi. we doint know much more of that apart from the fact there were no cameras in there. we hope to get one still to see this iconic meeting indeed. >> quickly with regard to the protesters. do you know how many were arrested prior to that mass? was it a large amount or a small segment of the population protesting? >> it was a large amount. it was a number of people, two or three who tried to throw leaflets at the pope while he was passing by. they were dragged away. we also saw a woman along there holding a banner. we don't know what that banner said. these were all members of the

ladies in white. a protesters group that are relatives to political opposition -- political prisoners mainly. now we don't have confirmation of that but they were all wearing white. it's a hint right there for you, alex. we also, the leader of the ladies in white has said, unconfirmed as well that she was invited to the ambassador -- the vatican ambassador's house yesterday to meet with the pope. she was stopped by state security and also said that she and other 33 women were forced -- were stopped from attending the mass this morning. we don't have confirmation of that. but certainly this morning some of them sent out the strong political message by trying to approach the pope in that way. >> i'm sure there will be more on this angle. thank you so much, claudio lavagna. pope france us' visit to the u.s. this week has mobilized one of the largest security operations. thousands of federal, local

personnel will be deployed to keep the pontiff and the public safe during his five-day visit to three major cities. philadelphia is hosting the pope's largest open air public event with well over a million people expected to attend. some say 2 million. joining me now, the former homeland security adviser to new york state and president of redland strategies. pope francis, he is known to love walking among the people. mingling with them which can be very dangerous. how do officials balance that with keeping him safe? >> it really is a 360-degree arc of protection that we want to design. it's an intelligence-led operation. spearheaded by the secret service and the fbi and local law enforcement. and what you really focus on is that you've had time to prepare for this. even though it's an incredible concentration of risk with isis' statement, al qaeda looking at the u.s. as their mann enemy, the fact that they want to fly the isis flag over the vatican, threats exist. but what they've got a chance to

do, the local law enforcement and federal agencies is take a look at what the environment is. and so you are going to use undercovers. video surveillance. you'll use facial recognition. and you're going to basically, all the elements of the security team coming together and the famous frozen zone. you'll not be able to travel very easily in these three locations when the pope is there. >> tell me about it. we've gotten a whole big thing about us in new york city with nbc. thursday is going to be a nightmare with him being across the street at st. pat's. with regard to what anybody who wants to disrupt things could do, they may not target just the pope. they could target this mass group of people. 2 million people potentially expected at the ben franklin parkway in philadelphia for the mass. that's almost impossible to try to secure 100%. >> you're absolutely right. it's not about eliminating risk. it's about managing it. being able to respond very rapidly. the benefit here is that we know

this event has been coming for n nine months to a year. that's given the ability to law enforcement to go in and say, what's the flow? where are people going to be coming from? how do we know the cars that are parked on the street. who is in the buildings. countersurveillance teams. countersniper teams automobile to provide this blanket of security. so there will be layers. if there's some decoy event occurs, the police officers and security officers are trained not to collapse their posts and go towards that event but to remain in place and have recovery teams respond. these are techniques used over time very successfully. >> there's a list of things people are not allowed to bring. some things obvious. you can't bring drones. also selfie sticks that have become so popular. but how in the world do hundreds of thousands of people get monitored with things they just carry with them? >> you mentioned one of the threats that's become more of an

emerging threat. and that is the drones. there's the picture of angela merkel when you had the drone land next to her. so that has provided real concern for law enforcement. and what you do in these types of situations is try to determine what the threats are and develop countermeasures for them. with drones, there are a whole host of technologies that you can utilize. the complexities, if you have millions of spectators, how do you patch use a means of force to take down these drones and not have other people hurt? very complex. in terms of the actual audience themselves, for new york state, new york city, every year, new year's eve, thousands and thousands of people gather in times square. right after 9/11. big, big concerns. yet they've been able to keep people safe by knowing where they are going. that's very important to have predetectible access, predictable crowd movement and put people in place to respond very rapidly. >> yeah, and in the wake of

9/11, that phrase see something, say something has become part of new yorkers' dna. that's for sure. but how much of a role does the public play in keeping things healthy and safe? >> the public is huge. and one of the things that everybody in law enforcement and security understands is that they only have -- even though thousands of officials involved in this, they only have so many sets of eyes. and it's the individuals in the crowds who are hopefully, their awareness has been heightened. they understand what's going on around them. it makes so much sense that's if you are in a crowd that size you obviously have to know what's going on around you. so that type of response, that type of partnership, if you will, with law enforcement is absolutely eventual to enhance the security opportunities. >> thanks so much for weighing in. appreciate it. america's computers are under attack, but how could a meeting at the white house this week combat the hackers? that's next. plaque psoriasis... ...isn't it time to let the...

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president xi jinping will alive in seattle tuesday ahead of his first state visit to washington. president xi's week-long itinerary includes a state winner at the whouss and speeches at the united nations. chinese officials were forced to turn down several events because of security concerns because his attendance would make him appear less formidable. they include watching a nascar race in chicago. visiting a starbucs coffee shop in seattle and attending a baseball game. president xi's trip to the u.s. comes at a time when the two nations are negotiating what could become the first arms control deal for cyberspace. officials tell "the new york times" the agreement would help prehaven prevent the massive cyberattacks that the u.s. has accused china of making.

joining me is gordon chang. become to you. do you think presidents obama and xi will announce that an agreement like this has been reached, and, if so, can we trust china to hold up its end of the deal? >> china has not really been good in honoring its agreements across the spectrum. and so this is going to be a problem. there's an additional layer of complexity because cyberagreements by their very nature are almost unenforceable. and there's another issue here. and that is north korean cyberwarriors, more than half of them, are on chinese soil. this agreement if it's ever reached is not going to include the north koreans. those attacks on sony, those were launched from china with china's knowledge. those aren't going to be covered by any agreement. >> what about what happened on wednesday, the republican candidates in that debate weighing in on president xi's trip? let's take a listen to some of that. >> why are we giving an official

state visit to a country involved in a mass uf cyberattack against the united states. that's a 21-gun salute on the south lawn of the white house. >> we need to be strong against china. we should use offensive tactics as it relates to cybersecurity to send a deterrent signal to china. there should be super sanctions in what president obama has proposed. there's many other tools we have without canceling a dinner. that's not going to change anything. >> do you think gordon, canceling the state dinner would be valuable in any way when it comes to tackling this hacking problem? >> there shouldn't be a formal state dinner in the east room. president xi jinping is not coming to reach agreements with president obama. he's coming for the pomp and ceremony because he wants state media to televise these images back to china to impress the chinese people. this is an issue of legitimization. he's not attending a baseball game or going to a starbucks because it doesn't make him look

formidab formidable. this is an issue of propaganda. for us, we shouldn't be helping him in this regard. >> do you think the chinese people wouldn't appreciate him going to a starbucks or baubsebl game? he's going to a high school there. >> i think it would help him a lot because premier wen jiabao got a lot of popular support in china largely because of being close to the people. but this is the calculation of xi jinping who is very different from the former premier. i think that essentially they are seeing this as an attempt to really bolster the communist party at a time of flagging legitimacy because of all the problems in the chinese economy which are critical for them. >> how about the symbolism of this, the reports which say president obama is not staying at the waldorf astoria because it is chinese owned. >> that's symbolic. and that's really an attempt to send a message. i think it's important for the president to do those things.

but also we need to start imposing costs on the chinese in this cyberrealm where we talk to the chinese and have for a couple years really with no effect. the u.s. is losing perhaps 250 to $300 billion worth of intellectual property to china. that's according to the blair huntsman commission of 2013. so there's a real cost in delaying really reaching solutions. >> i want to talk about this week the chinese company china railway announced plans to partner with the u.s. to build the high-speed rail from l.a. to las vegas. does this cooperation help both countries? is there any down side to this? >> the down side for sussubstantial. and that is that u.s. companies cannot compete with government protourment in china. for build high speed rail or anything. this san unreciprocal relationship. our market is open but china's is closed. if we want to open the chinese market to american companies for american workers, it really

means that we need to have something that we have to give to the chinese and right now they've gotten everything. i think this is a bad deal for us. >> gordon chang, good to see you. it's a cybersupermarket for criminals. the so-called dark web is costing the global economy more than $400 billion a year. but why can't it be shut down? at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like ordering wine equals pretending to know wine.

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win because it was its last season on amc. >> although it's required plenty of patience, many feel after seven nominations and no wins that last season sentimentality could finally push jon hamm over the top. >> almost universally people feel jon hamm will win. >> taraji p. henson and "empire" left people speechless. but court of public opinion seems to be with "how to get away with murder's" viola davis. >> would the court like to be put on record for refusing to hear his testimony? >> how great is this. >> so convenient. >> it's like i'm right there in the room with you. >> and then comedic brilliance. >> i think "modern" family will win but "veep" on hbo should win. >> even if "modern family" bests "veep" in comedy, jewel la lieu

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around the world. secretary of state john kerried me that announcement a short time ago in berlin. thousands of refugees and migrant s make a desperate escape. this was the scene in croatia. people crawling through windows to board a train heading to hungary. jacob, what do we know about this new u.s. plan? >> the plan is to eventually take in 30,000 additional refugees per year than we used to. and many of those refugees will be syrian. this year's u.s. was already planning on taking in 70,000 refugees from around the world. secretary kerry announced next year we'll take in 85,000, and the following year 100,000. here's how it works. the united nations refugee agency will refer the refugees who will then be screened by the department of homeland security and then they will be placed in new homes. it's a significant jump from what the u.s. had been doing. only 1500 syrians had been

admitted since the start of the war more than four years ago. these numbers are low compared to countries like germany who was taking in more than 10,000 almost every day for many weeks. of course it's still desperate and deadly crisis. this weekend 13 refugees, including children, drowned off the coast of turkey when their ferry collided with a cargo ship. another boat capsized off the coast of lespis. they are still searching for 26 people missing there. this is a major crisis in the european union. many hundreds of thousands have maid the 1500-mile journey and many more thousands are on their way with hopes of finishing before winter. >> pretty agonizing to witness all of this. thank you, jacob rascon. tens of thousands gathered in havana today. the pope preached a message of inclusion. of course, he heads to the u.s. on tuesday. let's bring in an associate

professor of religion at manhattan college. let's look at this new poll which asked what americans want to hear from pope francis. 36% saying they want the pope to speak about faith while 49% said they wanted to hear the pope address social and economic issues. the pope is expected to address climate change issues. he'll be addressing congress on that thursday. but how important are these issues in the battle to keep the catholic church relevant in the 21st century? >> i think the story is most people want to hear about social issues. i think the way forward for the catholic church, we've been doing the culture war things for quite some time and w know how that's gone. we instead are moving toward a moment where people want to hear what does the pope have to say about mercy. the pope is the pontiff, the bridge builder. he's coming to the united states to build some bridges. >> what about concerns the vatican says this administration, obama administration's decision to

invite transjinder activists and openly gay episcopal bishop to the welcoming ceremony is not sitting well with them. how wide is the gap between 21st century american values and catholic church tradition? >> i think the story is that the people that are upset about this are loud but they are a minority. more than ever, i think if you ask my college students or friends or people on social media, they will tell you the pope appeals to the vast majority of catholics. wasn't there a poll this morning that said -- >> he appeals now to the non-catholics. >> and catholics as well but not necessarily everybody appreciates the catholic church and its doct irines but he is extremely popular. >> you are getting a sentiment from people at "the wall street journal." sort of like the older brother in the prodigal suon.

i've been here fighting and doing all the right things and i'm being ignored in favor of these who haven't kept the faith. the pope is following the example of jesus and saying it's very good that you've done this but my mission is to reach out to people who have not been part of the establishment. >> would you call him a transformational pope? >> yes, i would. i see the transformation in my students. 70% who didn't know his name six years ago and 81% know now. >> let's talk about the growing number of american catholics. they are hishispanic. how does that demographic affect the traditional catholic church views. >> there have been hispanic catholics here since before there was a united states. it's an important check on the way in which we conceive of american catholicism in this country. as we know, hispanics are very

focused on the family but not exclusively and not uniformally. it's important to -- when we speak about hispanic catholics we use the same sorts of diversity we allow in non-hispanic catholicism. >> what are you most looking forward to about the pope's visit? >> listening to him speak in spanuish and watching him go of script. >> thank you so much. criminals are getting away with selling fake passports on the internet. why are the feds having so much trouble stopping them? that's next. [ school bell rings ]

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of jobs to china are also concerns. experts say cybercriminals are highly trained and are draining millions from the world economy. we were given a look into the shadowy corners of the internet. jamie, what have you learned? >> it's called the dark web, where people can browse the internet behind an anonymous network. cybersecurity companies are increasingly monitoring the space looking for threats. ibm's cybersecurity division invited us to take a look. the united nations says that 80% of digital crime is committed by criminal gangs. according to one study, cybercrime costs the global economy more than $400 billion a year. this month, a health kaur care insurance company in new york said hackers breached their computers and may have gained access to more than 10 million

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california governor jerry brown is considering whether to sign a bill that would allow doctors to prescribed life-ending drugs to patients who have less than six months to live. this controversial bill was sent to his desk after it passed in the senate last friday, and it comes almost a year since 29-year-old brittany maynard became the face of the right to die debate. maynard was from california and she suffered from brain cancer. she moved to oregon last year so she could have the option of ending her life when she wanted to. before she died, maynard talked about her situation. >> how dare the government make decisions or limit options for terminally ill people like me.

unfortunately, california law prevented me from getting the end of life optio i deserved. no one should have to leave their home and community for peace of mind to escape suffering and to plan for a gentle death. >> brittany maynard ended her life on november 1st. joining me now is her widower dan diaz. with a welcome to you i wish i could reach out and give you a big hug. this has been a really, really tough year for you but talk about the move from california to oregon, why you had to do it and how brittany felt about that. >> brittany was frustrated that after being told that she had brain cancer, a brain tumor, after enduring an eight-hour brain surgery and then two months later being told that the tumor was now growing very aggressively and she only had six months to live, it was frustrating, really maddening, the idea that we had to pack up and leave our home and drive to

oregon and just get across some imaginary line on a map that then allowed her the ability to secure the aid in dying medication so she could have a gentle passing. that to her was something that she thought nobody should have to go through this. >> yeah. >> and that's the reason why she spoke up. >> especially because she was the quintessential california girl. spent some time in san diego, went to uc-berkeley, uc-irvine. she was the ultimate california girl, wanted to be home. we showed oregon, washington, montana, vermont, those four states as being the ones that have these right to die provisions in place at this time. it looks like new mexico has joined as well, but what do you know about what california's proposing and how confident are you that things are going to change largely as a result of your advocacy and brittany's experience being so public?

>> brittany's story certainly made a difference. since she spoke up, there have been 24 states and the district of columbia that have either introduced or will be introduced legislation, so her voice certainly made a huge difference, started this conversation. it made people recognize that an individual terminally ill individual should have that option if they decide that that's something they will need. so i think she did put a face to it. she did not set out to be the face of this movement, but in the end she was glad that she made a difference hopefully so that nobody else would have to go through what she did. >> and her thoughts, your thoughts as well, are reflected by 76% of governor jerry brown's constituents throughout the state of california. i know he has until october 11th to sign this bill or not, and the fact is that this is a man

who is a fairly deep thinker. he is a catholic. he's a former man who considered -- a man who formerly considered going to seminary school, so his catholicism, his faith is important to him. people have said he's going to think a long time about this. do you have any indication the outcome? >> we don't have any indication. i'm hopeful that governor brown and all legislators -- as we were moving this bill through the senate and assembly in california, i'm hopeful and was glad to see that they were recognizing that, yes, this is a decision that belongs with the individual working in concert with their physician, with their family, with their own set of beliefs because the government as a whole, they have 23no way knowing the specifics of brittany's case or any other terminally ill individual. jennifer glass, elizabeth

wallner, christi o'donnell, these are people that are facing the same thing that brittany was and the government has no idea of knowing the specifics of those individuals and what's best for them. however, those individuals, brittany, was the only person, she was the perfect person to make those decisions that affect her end of life, her passing, how her dying process would go. >> yeah. >> so i'm hopeful that the legislators recognize that regardless of their own religious convictions and beliefs that the individual's religious convictions and beliefs are the ones that need to guide the choices that that person makes for themselves. >> you know what, dan? i'm sure that brittany is somewhere watching you right now and super proud of what you're doing, so well done. hold up the faith and hard to hold back tears myself. >> thank you. >> yep. >> thank you. i appreciate the opportunity. >> thanks a wrap, everybody. thank you, dan, so much.

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