. bernie, you're a very interesting candidate because you're one-of-a-kind. we never had a jewish president that we know of. you know what i'm saying. you may be the oldest person to ever become president. what you're 74. if you become president and if something happened to you i'm not sake it will, would you be comfortable with a "weekend at bernie's" situation >> the good news is i've been

blessed with good health. >> if you can do this for me, just in case, can you put these sunglasses on, bernie? just in case we have to do "weekend at bernie's" and just kind of do this. >> how's this? >> that's fantastic. >> he's funny. i like him. welcome to morgan joe. >> last week you were in chicago. >> nicole and i will go to chicago in a matter of hours. >> no. you predicted that scott walker was going to get out of the race. >> i said in a matter of days. >> nostradamus. >> i slept in it. i rolled out of bed. it fit. so, yeah. it shook up the race.

nicole said he did seem a little upset. nicole said that run for president was all lightning in the bottle. i remember one time you told me you have to raise more money, really, to run statewide for senate in a big state than you do getting a foot hold in a presidential race because if you catch lightning in a bottle you take off. we saw that with trump, we saw that with carly fiorina who wasn't going to be in the cnn debate and opposite effect with scott walker who was first place in july. out now. >> i remember having the conversation around this table and the cameras were not on and people went further than they were willing to go further on tv saying he was off the charts, me mesmerizing to people. >> i wasn't there. >> not to them. not to the journalists but to the audience, the audience was

wowed by him, the early take by republicans was the guy to beat. >> ron, i also heard a lot of people saying early on, he's a great, great shortstop. >> yep. >> but he's a aa shortstop. that was quietly the buzz around this table for the past six months that he may -- you know people think he's been around forever. he was governor in 2010. he has a future ahead of him. that's a big stage to fill. >> last time i was out with you guys we talked about walker and i compared to clinton. every time he came back to the stage he held his shoulders, and had a new suit. scott walker didn't grow an

inch. >> donald trump came in and sucked up all the oxygen. >> in washington, and associate editor for "the washington post" eugene robinson and in salt lake city, manager editing of bloomberg politics, mark halperin. >> mark, give us some of your reporting what you heard over the past day or so about scott. a guy, by the way, i made no secret i liked him very much and may have even voted for him if he got to the primary. report. tell us what you know. >> reporter: to continue your baseball metaphor we faced major league baseball he couldn't hit it. you know, there's a thing in politics when thing are going well called the virtuous cycle, you raise money u-poll numbers go up, people report on your poll numbers, you can raise more money. walker had the opposite going on.

declining poll numbers, worst press clips and in the end it was the lack of money that caused him to dropout. this is not a rich guy. not a guy who wants to go into debt. so after a weekend -- >> we're showing, by the way, an extraordinary drop. i don't think i've seen a drop that fast. but a drop from 30% down 3%. he was leading in july. now an asterisk. go ahead. >> reporter: they look for a plan to say can we shut down the operation in wisconsin where the campaign was headquartered. move everybody to iowa and try to figure out if there was a come back. there was not enough money coming in. he couldn't campaign in iowa and fundraise. he's a young guy. he does believe that somebody like a bush or a rubio or kasich needs to rise up now to stop donald trump and he's got an interest in that. this wasn't a selfless decision,

this was a money decision. >> like texas governor rick perry before him walker cited the need for other candidates to coalesce behind an alternative when announcing his decision. >> ronald reagan was good for america because he was an optimist. sadly the debate taking place in the republican party today is not focused on that optimistic view of america. instead, it has drifted into personal attacks. in the end, i believe that the voters want to be for something and not against someone. today i believe that i'm being called to lead by helping to clear the field in this race so that a positive conservative message can rise to the top of the field. with this in mind, i will suspend my campaign immediately. i encourage other republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same so that

the voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive, conservative alternative to the current front-runner. >> that was all about donald trump. i mean, his withdrawal speech was all about donald trump. we have to beat donald trump. >> rumsfeld, you go to war with the army you have. it seemed in that moment walker realized the race as it really existed and campaigned in a field and political moment that he wished existed and he seemed in that moment incredibly clear about where the race is and the dynamics. i thought it was a very interesting and powerful moment he used his withdrawal where you do have the cameras trained on you. that is your moment. he used it to make that point about trump. >> mike, also the backdrop of this, an ugly 24 to 48 hours for my republican party.

one top candidate talking about religious tests, another top candidate suggesting, again, that barack obama wasn't born or barack obama is a muslim. and scott walker who fought unions three times in four years, enough so that they hate his guts. if you ask him, is he a fighter, union fighter say yeah. he wasn't enough of a fighter in this environment. i don't think a guy like that fits in the general ugliness of what we've seen in the past 24 hours. by the way, it's starting to go off a cliff and i personally am starting to get mad and wondering when my party will start fighting back aggressively and angrily against these people. i almost swore. i was going to get in trouble. >> to your point, joe, it seems viewing it from rather the outside -- i'm looking at it

from the outside -- each much these candidates not all of the republican candidates but too many of them are living in their own separate universe, their own cocoon. scott walker i saw him in new hampshire earlier this spring and he stood up in new hampshire and went on what he did in wisconsin with public employees and he went on about unions and about busting up unions. people in the audience were mystified. in terms of their priorities that might have been 15th. ted cruz speaking to a specific set of people. scott walker. ben carson, i have no idea who he's speaking to. >> people who don't like muslims. >> two things will win in

elections. fear and anger. too many republicans combine both. >> this is looking good for hillary clinton just by the way. with walker out. >> or sanders. >> or biden. >> we'll get to that. but she's talking about these issues. she's trying to at least. with walker out john kasich is now the only midwesterner running and chris christie who helped secure his election last year as the head of the governor's association, could draw support. >> i don't share his view. i don't think there's anything dangerous going on. the fact is we're having a competition. the competition of ideas and personalities and approach and vision will be what will determine this. >> all right. you monitor the donald trump instagram. >> trump turned to instagram

hitting jeb bush after the former governor admitted to smoking marijuana. >> did you take a look at it? some might say it's a tiny bit clever but these are mean little instagrams. take a look. >> would you authorize the invasion? >> i would have. an act of lop. frankly more related to asian people. so 40 years ago i smoked marijuana. >> it's middle school. >> look, to what you said earlier the story of the selection -- >> do you think it's funny, middle school? >> i felt like when i was in seventh grade. yeah. >> it's part of a bigger strategy which is just jab, jab. the question is how does jeb respond to the jabs? >> you got to ignore the jabs. ignore the jabs. >> what we were talking about

before, the story of this election is the totally disconnect of the political system with voters. these parties especially the republican party has a choice. capitalize on that, exploit that with an aspirational message and promising positive change or place to our worse angels which is what trump is doing, carson is doing playing to the lowest common denominator. >> given a positive message and be mad. i did that. jesus called it righteous anger. you can have righteous anger. republican voters are having to choose between pissed off and optimistic. you can be righteous and have jesus' righteous anger and get people up on their feet. you have to choose anger and --

well, i don't know. >> i'll accept that could be the sweet spot but nobody is hitting it. >> nobody is close. >> and, you know, look, joe, the republican party is an absolute mess right now. >> it is. >> close to half the party, more than half the party is going with trump and carson and wants nothing to do with office holders. so, governors could be an endangered species in this race. you already got rid of a governor of texas who accomplish ad lot of stuff. you got rid of the governor of wisconsin that actually did stuff. i don't like what he did but he has accomplished things. so it's in order of how much you've got done you're getting knocked out of the race. this is a crazy situation. how do you ever get those trump and carson people back? at the end of the day if trump or carson are not the nominee

how does anybody get those people back? >> it's a good question. the person i just described, nick was chris christie back in 2011, 2012. chris christie was a top angry guy but got the majority of hispanic voters, majority of women voters. he found the sweet spot. >> chris christie still has upside in this race. it sounds crazy. he's the one candidate that can do this that has the kind of pure talent and charisma without being too angry for himself. he doesn't that have credentials with the base. he's from jersey. he rubs people the wrong way. hard to be the right messenger in this environment. >> that's a good point. >> there's time.

i don't share your moment. i didn't think trump thing was durable. i think it was our emotion, our heart not our party's head. our heads prevail when things get serious. >> but the last 24 hours we've had a religious test from ben carson. we have donald trump suggesting, again, on "meet the press" that -- >> reflecting back to the whole country. >> but wait a second do you think ben carson's numbers are going to go up or down because he talked about a religious test. >> i hope they go down. >> you know what? they are not. they are is going to go up. it's a problem. it's a problem until somebody strong in the republican party stands up. i said this about mitt romney and glen beck was calling the president a racist saying he hates white people. stop being milqtoast.

they like toughness. they like people who fight back. stop withering in the corner or you're going to end up like scott walker. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> the last person before romney john mccain did stand up to someone who accused the president of being a muslim, so i think where we land is usually somewhere that will make you feel better. >> we'll see. not usually the case because we lost five out of the six. we got to get mark halperin in here. >> reporter: well, look, i think the biggest obvious beneficiary of walker's departure and of the environment that you guys are talking about is the one next generation candidate now left in this race who the establishment likes which is marco rubio. there's now an opening for him in iowa. there's now an opening for him with a lot of donors. you also got potentially christie as you mentioned and john kasich. no one in that group wants to do

a sister soldier moment. they are biding their time until we get closer to voting. the party as you just suggested may be making a mistake thinking can you lay back. what carson said was outrageous but almost as outrageous to me with the exception of lindsey graham the lack of true repudiation by these other candidates about what you said. >> when you lake back you lose. john kasich and everybody else is going into and they lose, every time. i'll say it again. presidential cane, i know you all watch the show. when you're going 90 miles per hour forward nobody stops you. stop being cowards. speak out against this bigotry. speak out against it now. for every one vote you lose today you'll pick up four three or four months from now. >> jeb bush was ready to speak to the hispanic chamber of commerce in houston yesterday. only protesters had a different

idea. bush was less than a minute into his remarks when they began chanting no hope without our vote. bush responded by saying he supports a path to citizenship for the undocumented who came as children a position hillary clinton has accused him of abandoning. >> here's what i believe. i believe we need immigration reform. i've been clear about this. i believe that dream kids should have a path to citizenship as i've been consistently for. the dream act kids to get a path to citizenship. i've been consistently for it and i'll continue to be consistently for it irrespective of what the political ramifications of that are. >> yeah. one other thing. when you're behind a microphone and people are chanting you just stare at them and look at the organizer and say really? really? i'll stand here for another couple of minutes and i'm leaving the stage. if you want a clown show we'll have a clown show.

if you want to hear me talk. if you want to have a clown show for "nightly news" have your clown show. >> here's your opportunity to react to something ridiculous and inappropriate and quite frankly something we thought we were done with years ago but ben carson doubling down on his statements about muslims. >> sweet jesus. >> if someone has a muslim background and they are willing to reject those tenets and to accept the way of life that we have and clearly will swear to place our constitution above their religion, then, of course, they will be considered infidels and heretics but at least i would be quite willing to support them. >> memo to ben, there are thousands of muslim-americans who are fighting for this country. why don't you join up for the

national guard and then cast your stones. you know, jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone. why don't you join up for the national guard today and prove that you're as much as an american as these muslim-americans who are fighting and dying for your country every day and then you cast your aspersions. what are you? are you a judge of one who is a good american. ben, i got a memo for you. there's well over a billion muslims in the world. we all agree. we don't want a terrorist in the white house. being a terrorist and being a muslim is not even close to be synonymous. >> i can tell you what's closer. something that i just heard. that's just not the way to talk. that's just not the way to talk. we're done with this. we're done with hatred. we're done with being bigots. this is in our past. i would think he would know that.

i would think. coming from me i'm sure that's helpful. >> you're right. this is terrible for the republican party but this is bigger than politics. we're at a time our history where we have real disconnect and anger and anxiety with all of our institutions. plus new technology where this kind of hatred if we don't all stand up, republicans, democrats, independent, this kind of hatred could take over this country. just because we never had a meglo maniac doesn't mean we can't. these guys have the internet and this thing can take hold if we don't stand up against it and say it's wrong. >> let me say also, ted cruz, good for ted cruz. ted cruz came out and said ben carson's comments -- well he said, i actually believe in the constitution of the united states. i believe article 6 says there's

no religious test. heard lindsey graham come out strongly about it. heard marco rubio come out against it. i'm sure jeb has come out again it. i'm really proud of a lot of people in my republican party that have come out against this. unfortunately, you got a guy who is a front-runner who is saying this and not being called out. there's a sickness. you have him going after -- you have ben carson going after muslims. you have ann coulter going after jews. it's like the right, the far right-wing of our party is falling apart. a lot of really hard core rock rbi conservatives like ted cruz saying what's happening we like jews? we love israel. we don't believe in a religious test. but some people are cracking up. >> well, you know, i'm not that

upset in the great scheme of things about that. they are who they are. they define themselves with what they say. ben carson has defined himself by what he says. this afternoon at 4:00 at andrews air force base a guy is going to land and he's going to talk to this country and if the politicians would listen to him, the pope, and the country listens to him, you can only be infused with hope and optimism about not just today but about the future because he's coming to give us a message that we seem to have forgotten in this country. a message of grace and forgiveness and nobility and honor and loving one another in the big sense of the word and he'll speak about immigration. he'll speak about who we are, who we used to be and not who these politicians think they are. >> he's the leader of an old stale institution and changing

it to the power by example. >> an old institution, i don't think it's stale. >> not any more. >> is it still there >> we're just getting started on this big day in the presidential race. we'll talk to former press white house secretary artie fleischer. plus is russia ramping up their support of syrian president bashar al assad. there are reports they are flying their own drones. a disturbing new survey about what's happening on some of the most elite college campuses in the country. yeah. the numbers here -- >> that story is amazing. >> we'll be right back with much more on "morning joe."

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27 past the hour. let's take a look at the morning papers. "the washington post", the obama administration is laying plans for more aggressive military campaign in syria. the paper reports the change in strategy by the administration is being driven partly by frustration over little games in

iraq. the administration is considering providing arms and ammunition to a wider array of rebels in syria as well as relaxes certain vetting standards. "wall street journal" reports syria and rush have held a series of high level talks in russia in how to assist in assad's defense. u.s. defense officials now say that russian surveillance drones have begun flying missions over syria and that the russians have sent two dozen additional fighter jets to the couldn't. >> mike, this also comes as russia and iran reportedly talking about joining together in a joint defense of keeping assad in power. >> yeah. i think we'll probably end up going along with that keeping assad in power. you have a very dangerous situation there. russian jets in the air, american jets in the air, you don't want any tipping point to occur. >> what's happening here everything is coming together to keep assad in power.

i don't know what leaders have said to each other, but you don't have to read a whole lot of tea leaves to see that enemy of my enemy is my friend. it looks like everybody is going after isis to crush them as quickly as possible in syria. >> the headline on the cover of the "chicago tribune," violence is out of control. nine people were killed. 45 shot in the bloodiest two day weekend since 2013. since march the number of gunshot victims has reached double digits every single weekend. paper tracks gun violence and reports 2,200 people have been shot so far this year. >> from "the washington post" more than 20% of female undergrads at 27 prominent universities say they have been the victims of sexual assault and misconduct. this according to a new survey by stories of american universities. schools like the university of membership, southern cal and yale reported the highest

incidences. 140,000 students were interviewed. i got a daughter. it scares you to death when you read this. i have sons. it's everybody responsibility to talk to third children be it sons or daughters and confront this. this is a problem that's growing. >> we have to raise our young men to treat women with respect. like my wife did with my daughters, i have one on the campus right now, don't go to a party and get yourself drunk. don't trust anybody with your drink. i think, actually, i wouldn't be surprised if these numbers are low. i know there's a lot of debate over the methodology. i just have a feeling there's a lot of underreporting. >> a lot of women feel it's their fault. >> i was not suggesting if a woman is getting drunk but you have to protect yourself because you're prey. >> i agree with you.

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the name -- donald trump >> i've heard of him. >> he's my guest tomorrow night. is there a question you would like notice ask him. >> i don't know if you know this but i've been told he's rich. >> and wishes he could tell you how rich he is. >> ask him if he would possibly consider donating $1 billion to our campaign. >> i'll write that down. >> all right. joining us -- that was carly fiorina is cute with singing. that worked. she was perfect. >> by the way, there's some people that caused me problems but we got some good people in the party. >> that's why you're frustrated because this could be an interesting field that could really grow and evolve and see who pans out but it's being brought down by something that we thought we were done with eight years ago. >> i think there are a lot of good conservatives who are being crowded out by a lot of stupid

talk. >> it happened on both sides. joining us for the must read opinion pages we have anchor amy holmes. i want to read this one because it's so important on totally separate topic than politics. "new york times" ignoring sexual abuse in afghanistan. the pentagon's indulgent and complicit attitude towards pedophiles among the afghanistan militias that it funded and trained is indefensible at odds with american values and with internal laws. washington has taken the lead protein mosting. by instructing american soldiers and marines not to interfere even if the incidents occurred on american the pentagon has chosen to sacrifice children in order to maintain good relations with the afghan police and militias. it need to fight the taliban. 14 long years of war, and billions of clrs invested have proved that the united states

cannot remake afghanistan but there should be no question that the american military cannot allow such practices on its bases or give afghans at any the level impression that such practices are condoned. >> it doesn't sound like where we're making afghanistan, sounds like afghanistan is remaking us and ron forner i want to know how high up the pentagon this went. this had to go high in the pentagon to allow a young boy to be chained to a bed as a rape slave and a u.s. soldier being kicked out, punished and kicked out for trying to defend him. >> i want to know who knew at the pentagon and want him fired, i want to know who knew at the white house and why hasn't the commander-in-chief spoken out against this. >> the commander-in-chief needs to speak out against this today. you're exactly right. press corps should keep asking

questions, right? you got a young boy -- we have a story so horrible that i can't even bear to read through it, it's so horrible and yet forget about what's happening in new england, this is happening on u.s. bases while our leaders know young boys are being raped and sodomized and young soldiers coming to their defense are being punished. people need to be fired and the president needs to speak out. >> our country just didn't condone it they lookeder to way and protected these rapists. >> and allowed it on usa base. since we first went to afghanistan our soldiers have seen this happening in the community. i know, i have friends who are working there and they said that little boys with chipped red fingernails you knew those were the boys that were getting sexually abused. >> you look at the strain and

trauma that soldiers returning to the u.s., this is the kind of think that violates the morals of our country and the morality of the military that makes it impossible to come back and feel normal. we have a duty to our own military to remind them who they are. >> gene robinson how does the white house have a press briefing where these questions aren't the only questions asked? how does the pentagon have a press briefing where we don't keep asking these questions in exclusion of all others until the white house and the pentagon tells us how high it went, who knew, when did they know that little boys were being chained to beds -- how does it compare to abu ghraib and i want to know about the soldier who got punished who came to the defense

of a little boy chained to a bed in an american barracks. >> i want to know all those times. i don't advise people to read the "new york times." everyone should read the story or as much as they can stomach. it's the most shocking thing i've read in a long time and i want to know the answer to all those questions that ron forner posed. who in the political infrastructure, who at the white house knew about this. i think those questions need to be asked day after day after day. what does this country stand for in the world if, indeed, we want to countenance this atrocious, awful, horrible behavior. it's just amazing. >> educate me. during abu ghraib what exactly happened? what was the problem? what was the scandal? what exactly almost took down and did take down members of the military and those higher up?

tell me please? >> we treated people in degrading ways. we put blindfolds on them. >> pictures of them naked in piles. >> were they sexually abused? >> there was abuse. >> what's different? >> this is against defenseless little boys that are being chained to a bed and being raped. >> how is this not a huge scandal. >> how is this not as bad as abu ghraib? >> i hate to play to media conspiracies but if this happened under a republican president there would be controversy. it should be the only thing we're talking about right now. >> i completely agree with you. i think it would be -- it would be hammered away until quite frankly heads rolled. >> president obama should be ashamed of what's happening under his watch as i many as an american knowing this is going on. he should be out there today

talking forcefully. he's about to see the pope on a day we'll have a pope in the white house. our troops to be complicit in this. >> not to give "new york times" more credit but there was a story over the weekend about military suicides and so much of this is wrapped in this confusion what our moral codes are when we're in these countries especially after 14 years. >> and what they are fighting for. >> they have seen combat clearly but these things are in many ways it's difficult to process when you come back home state side. >> so, alex let's try to get jim miklaszewski on the phone. nick, we have you on often and beat the hell out of you because you work for the "new york times." this is an extraordinary, extraordinary story and again i

don't know how -- i think the "new york times" editorial had it dead right. it undercuts our very values as a country and what we're supposed to be doing in afghanistan. >> it's sickening. it's a horrifying story to read. i'm proud of my colleague for bringing to it the pages so we can all read it and be outraged about it and do something about it. it's one of the worse stories i've read in the paper for a while. >> mark halperin, do you agree the white house has to get out in front of this and due agree with ron fornier that they didn't come out yesterday and say anything about young boys being chained to beds and being rape slaves and americans being punished for trying to protect them? >> the white house and as you said the pentagon and i think this is clearly a case where the news cycle has to stop. there's a lot going on this week, the pope's visit, the chinese visit. this is a time when the world and country has to stop and there has to be not just expressions of outrage about it

but as you suggested a demand for accountability who knew what and how to keep these things from happening. this is why president obama and a lot of other people in this country have been skeptical about certain aspects of not just intervention, military intervention but nation building because we get ourselves involved in cultures that we can't be responsible but yet we are now. >> i just have a problem with that. this isn't because we got involved with a country with the wrong culture. this is on our place. we can't blame because all afghans are like. we're condoning this. this sour culture being challenged. we have to stand up like mark said. >> amy thank you so much. we appreciate it. coming up next -- >> also investigated by amnesty international. yesterday we brought it up how hillary clinton has a

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but the fact is hillary clinton's campaign started it first. >> they did it in 2004 not the clinton campaign done it in 2004 and hillary's people picked it up in 2008. yesterday i saw a flashback that i tweeted out. david plouf slams clinton campaign for fear mongering suggesting barack obama was a muslim. that was something worst he's ever seen. then the confrontation between barack obama and hick in 2008. >> reporter: hillary clinton felt she was under a lot of pressure at that point and besides the "60 minutes" interview some of her supporters floating around emails in iowa. word got to the obama campaign and david plouf was outraged and president obama was outraged and they had this famous confrontation on the tarmac at

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>> let's get right to this. scott walker dropped out of the race yesterday. let's run the clip. you got it? okay. >> ronald reagan was good for america because he was an optimist. sadly the debate taking place in the republican party today is not focused on that optimistic view of america. instead, it has drifted into personal attacks. in the end i believe that the voters want to be for something and not against someone. today i believe that i'm being called to lead by helping to year the field in this race so that a positive conservative message can rise to the top of the field. with this in mind, i will suspend my campaign immediately. i encourage other republican

presidential candidates to consider doing the same so that the voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive, conservative alternative to the current front-runner. >> all right. mark halperin, what happened? >> reporter: he ran out of money. >> that will do it. >> reporter: you don't run out of money by accident. >> that's all you have to say. >> reporter: he got in too late. he delayed to finish the budget in wisconsin. and made a series of errors on the campaign trail that caused even his own supporters, some of his own staffers to lose confidence in him that he was able to play at this level. then when things started to go bad and he said let's just focus on iowa that's not a strategy that will work. i think also he didn't convince people that his record in wisconsin was truly relevant to the current national/international debates going on. last thing i'll say at a time

when dealing with trump and now carson and carly fiorina is mission one for any republican presidential candidate he became a little bit of a caricature and talked about how he'll wreak havoc on washington which didn't fit his personality. >> i had a professor telling me answering questions for the supreme court was a lot harder than it looked. ilike the u.s. open you don't realize how fast the serves are coming at you until you're downtown court. it's easy for us to criticize scott walk er. it's difficult first time you run for president. >> what's different about this cycle republican base want a fighter, they want to see it and they want the emotion. that's why trump success propoled. walker had two things go wrong. one was his debate performance. he a spine of steel reputation and got on stage and came across as a mild mannered man. if he the courage of his

convictions he kept back walking on issues such as birth right citizenship. he was playing against untilage he was trying to play and looked like he wasn't a sincere politician. designee changed his position a few times. again, you learn. live and learn. there was so much noise out there. no way he expected to run his campaign with a 757 right behind him revving the engine. jeremy, what are you hearing in your reporting about scott walker? >> there's two things i think people need to realize about walker here. his strengths as a politician and his appeal as a candidate were always greatly overstated. forget about him talking about building a wall on the canadian border or rewriting the constitution to overturn the gay marriage decision and those other series of missteps. scott walker never won in wisconsin in a general presidential election so he

never faced voters in the kind of election that typically doesn't elect republicans. as a general election candidate he didn't have that appeal and i think people forget about that. i never saw the path. i got to say. there were a lot of republicans towards the end of this had they were starting to worry about walker's candidacy who said if he ever became the nominee i'm not sure he could carry his home state because a republican wasn't won in wisconsin in something like 30 years. >> chris christie responded to walker's call to clear field and here's what he had to say. >> i don't share his view. i don't think there's anything dangerous going on. the fact is we're having a competition and the competition of ideas and personalities and approach and vision will be what will determine this. >> well, i think actually we were talking, i think it was nick last hour saying there's still room for christie to grow in there and there's still room in this race for things to

happen. >> campaigns are an interesting thing. it's an x-ray into each of the candidates an mri, if you will. scott walker visibly shrunk on tv and in his appearances throughout his campaign. chris christie has grown. >> yes. >> he's at his best right now. >> chris christie and we've been interviewing him from the very beginning, he's a better politician today right now than he's ever been. a lot of it is he's gone through the fire. >> picking up mike's point, this is what capitalism and politics about. you have a choice. these guys have to compete for votes. in that sense it's a very healthy, vigorous, miserable process but makes you good. not good you're going to have to dropout. >> that's why i do think donald trump, ben carson, these guys that are at the top right now, carly, they are all great for jeb bush. jeb will either adapt or lose. if he does adapt he'll be a better candidate.

>> scott walker failed to recognize, until that moment where he gave his speech announcing his withdrawal, he failed to see the race as what it is. christie is running a less expensive campaign. walker who was the darling in the spring, they were enamored with his message. he never adapted that early message, his record to, you talked about seeing him in new hampshire. he never adapted to it republican party as it is in this hour. >> i still think it's trump's to lose. he hasn't done what ben carson has done. if you listen to his words he chooses them carefully which is right on the line. >> it's pretty dirty -- trump has played dirty. >> what's that?

>> calling women bimbos and cow, trump has been as offensive, maybe to different people. >> i think this muslim hatred that we're talking about right now -- >> i just don't want to let anybody thoosk. they all have to answer for their words. trump said some offensive things -- >> i'm not debating whether or not i like what's come out of his mouth. it's still his to lose. he's playing a line that he still could grow. it's his to lose. >> remember one thing, you'll see a repeat of the pattern of 2012 republicans were shopping around on any given week. trump is still the leader but i think there's churning underneath him. you'll constantly see movement. there's no strong sense of who the republican nominee will be. that's what a campaign should be about. >> my gut is ben carson goes within this term and not donald trump. could be wrong. conservative radio host hugh hewitt is giving front-runner donald trump a 20% shot of winning the republican

nomination about the same as jeb bush. in a new interview trump told hewitt he's getting ready to unveil his national security team shortly saying we have a team of great people. the republican front-runner was asked about the issue of global warming. >> do you believe the temperature of the earth is increasing and if do you believe that what would you do? >> first i'm not a believer in global warming, i'm not believer in manmade warming. it's warming and could be cooling. in the 1920s people talked about global cooling. they thought the earth was cooling. now it's global warming. and actually we've had times where the weather wasn't working out so they change to it extreme weather and they have all different names so that it fits the bill. but the problem we have -- you look at our energy costs and all of the things that we're doing to solve a problem, that i don't think in any major fashion exists. obama thinks it's the number one

problem of the world today and i think it's very low on the list. so i am not a believer and i will, unless somebody can prove something to me i believe there's weather. i believe also change and i believe it goes up and i want goes down and i want goes up again and it changes depending on years and centuries. i am not a believer and we have much bigger problems. >> ron fornier, we'll toss this to you. >> good to know donald trump believes in weather. look, the problem here is that the overwhelming amount of evidence that we have is that we are changing the climate and it is ruining the globe at if you're a believer the lord has given us. folks like donald trump who are outright denying are taking a big bet they are right. if they are wrong and their policies take hold and we do nothing about it it's going to be a late when they realize they

are wrong. i don't understand why we have a party that's willing to just dismiss science so out of hand. >> gene robinson? >> well, ron fornier is right. the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased by 40% since the beginning of the industrial resolution. unless you have some new theory of physics, and how it works on the molecular level that's going to heat up the atmosphere. it's just going to happen. indeed it is happening. and what donald trump said is just ridiculous. so he said unless somebody proves something to me. well, you know, i proved it. there it is. go look it up. go look at the studies. >> the numbers are fairly simple and the fact is we are and it does go in cycles but we're in a really hot cycle as in the hottest cycle and i've even read some, some very conservative people in the "wall street journal" saying what i believe. if you don't believe that human

activity and billions and billions of people on this earth and all of that activity and all of that pollution doesn't heat up the earth then you're living in a different world than me. the question is how much, and what steps do we take, but there is climate change and i don't -- i don't know, nicole, that it's -- i don't see the upside of denying there's climate change and that human activity contributes to climate change. that is about as obvious scientifically if you look at one study after another study. does al gore overplay it? do climate alarmists overplay it? is florida will be under water in 15 years? no, no, no. but, come on. the evidence is very clear. >> and, the debate about whether it is or isn't takes away from where republicans are on strong footing when we make the case

it's not america's burden alone. america should use it's leadership in the world to bring china and india along because if we hamstring our economy we really don't make a dent in global warming. we relinquish our authority and ability to lead on the world stage. >> actually the united states best interest to actually start putting very tough caps on carbon outputs because that puts us actually at an advantage over china. mark halperin, right is a massive polluter and it pollutes so much more than the united states and if you look at what we've done in this country over the past 20 years we're not perfect but we can be proud of the fact that we're going in the right direction. but the united states taking a very strong stance on this and limiting carbon emissions actually puts us at a competitive advantage against china and makes the world a safer place. >> joe, you know what the down sides are for a republican taking that position.

first of all some donors would not contribute to them and second of all they would be attacked by talk radio and some republican members of congress. you had john mccain speak out against this. a few other spem out. for the most part it's not a stance republicans can take and be politically safe or count on contributions. >> i'm not talking about being al gore. it's not that tough. it's science. and by the way, we can call for a balanced approach. bill clinton said it himself. you can be pro environment and also be pro economic growth. >> in political context just as destroying isis is not an issue that's motivating democratic voters, the debate about global warming is not a primary issue and will not move votes. in the general it's a different measure. in the republican primary there's other issues. >> why say anything in the primary if it doesn't matter. >> because he was asked about

it. >> if you're asked about it, why deny it? wait. you still have a general election to run and i think most americans would be concerned. somebody says there's no evidence when there quite frankly is. >> he says it goes up, it goes down. people argued it is the case. >> my 3-year-old can make that pontchartrain it goes up, it goes down. >> this is not a republican primary debate but the answer will come from technological innovations. we'll invent something and eventually produces energy-efficient -- >> you'll make me ask, do you believe in climate change and do you believe humans contribute to climate change? >> i think there's no question that the evidence shows human contribute to climate change. >> i just want to make sure. i want to make sure. >> i don't think that's under debate. i want has gone up and it has gone down. >> anybody who goes outdoors

knows something is going on with the climate. >> what about last winter? >> more interesting aspect is here in this country, the 21st century, first quarter of the 21st century we have both political parties that lean on pollsters. the pope is arriving at 4:00 he doesn't have pollsters, he doesn't care about pundits. he'll talk about climate change. >> mark halperin, eugene robinson, artie fleischer, thank you very much. still ahead former a krmfl-cio president joins us. and kasie hunt has a report meanry a shriver has a surprising look at the politics of modern catholics in america.

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we're just hours away from pope francis arrival in the united states. >> this morning the pontiff is wrapping up his trip to cuba with one final mass before departing for washington, d.c. he's set to set down around 4:00 p.m. eastern time. joining us now from the catholic university of america in washington, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. how are lawmakers preparing for the pope's arrival? >> reporter: mika, good morning. there are record number of catholic republican presidential candidates this time around and obviously the leader of their church is set to touch down here today. he's making it tricky for them. is that different kind of pope and changing the way the church is impacting american politics. he's called capitalism the dung of the devil and insisted there

should be a revolution combat climate change. pope francis is one of the most popular people in the world and making american politicians teen catholic ones uncomfortable. >> i hope i won't get castigated for saying this i don't get political information from my pope or my priest. >> reporter: he backed the iran, helping the u.s. negotiate with cuba. >> take up the cause of freedom and democracy which is critical for a free people. >> reporter: pope francis met with fidel castro 33 years after ronald reagan and pony john paul ii forged a secret alliance to take on communism.

>> essentially what this papal is suggests the church should vote for every democrat. >> i hope what the pope does is to prick the conscience of everyone. >> reporter: the vatican is concerned about the guests who will greet the pope. three senate republicans running for president will attend address. >> his attitude, the way he has dealt with the church in the beginning wasn't the faithful has the potential to be transformative. >> reporter: not interested in seeing pope francis, republican front-runner donald trump. >> the pope believes in global warming. do you know that, right? in this room it's so hot in here maybe i'll start to believe it myself. the room is hot. >> reporter: trump, of course,

said he's a presbyterian. when pope comes donetsk. there will be rules in place. we're not expecting any applause during the speech. also because you could face that strange split chamber effect where one side standing up and clapping and the other isn't so that could be difficult for the politics of the pope. the other thing joe i thought you might interested in this the leadership in congress roll call has reported has enlisted 50 members of congress to sit in those three aisle seats on either side of the aisle so when the pope walks down the aisle into the house chamber he's not going to have to deal with those members of congress leaning over trying to get a hand shake or get themselves in that frame with the pope. >> that's good. thank you so much. if he did do that like republicans stupd and democrats sat down you know what that would say. this room is hot. i got my new ring tone.

i'll make that for you. >> we have maria shriver on the set with us. inside into the complex catholic and we're complex. >> we are complex, yes. mike barnacle is evidence of that. >> let's let it be. >> i think what we're talking about you see john boehner and joe biden behind him. two different kind of catholics. we come in all shapes, sizes, gender and that's what's exciting. everybody in the poll, liberals saw themselves in the pope. conservatives say he's conservative. >> it surpasses -- pope john paul ii who is near and dear to my heart but there's something about this pope that i think brings the world together. i know that sound pat.

>> there's evidence of that. i think people feel better about being catholic. you have to be before he became pope every time you walked into the church everybody was talking about abuse, everybody was talking about the negative aspect. i was interviewing a priest yesterday and said two years ago this collar everybody thought i was a pedophile. today everybody comes up and talks to me about pope francis andy love my church. so i think he shows you by changing the emphasis, changing the language, changing the tone, how big a change that can make and i think it's also really interesting people like him much him much better than the institution. it also says a lot for people who are running for office they can distinguish you from washington if you have language that people identify with, who am i to j-let's take a look at that, let's include people, those are words and tone that people want to hear and that is

kind of seems to be opposite of what we're hearing. >> you know what's fascinating the emphasis is so important. there are thing he says that capitalism, the dung -- >> capitalism is dung of the devil. i'll disassociate myself from those remarks. foe cuss on the poor. like jesus focus don't poor. but most churches over the past hundred years haven't focused. that was obsession of jesus' ministry the poor, the helpless. his elm if a circumstance you're right, who am i to judge? >> at the same time it's not like he's a radical that's changing church doctrine. so he's keeping the foundation there but he's changing the emphasis. >> changing the emphasis, talking about the poor, leaving with the poor which nuns have been doing always and nobody has been talking really about the nuns i think in this trip.

been educated by nuns, having been worried i might have called to be a nun, i wanted to do a shout out for all the social justice work that the nuns have been doing and continue to do. >> itches educate by the nuns and they talked to me even thoifs a republican in the church up to the arrival of pope francis had a semiwar against nuns. >> exactly. especially american nuns. chastising them for getting involved in social causes. one of the keys to pope francis he's a jesuit. he's open to ideas. top debate in the truest of gentlemen sue it a traditions. to teach without judging. that's being a jesuit. teaching without judging. you get who am toy judge. he listens. and that spills down into the flock. you can sense it. i was at st. ignatius on sun afternoon on the campus of

boston college and it's uplifting to go into a church today in america and see so many young people. they disappeared for years. >> having gone to georgetown they are all so excited about his trip and i think the other thing that's interesting about this man is that he underwent his own personal conversion and i don't think we talked much about it. he a certain style that didn't work originally. he talks about that interior crisis that he had, dark night of the soul and he came back a better listener, a better leader, someone who is more inclusive and i think that is really interesting about him. >> you don't have to be kath tlo -- catholic who leaves benefit hind the things that go with was to. he scaled down. that's an example for anyone. >> people who have studied him say that is very much something

he learned under peron how important symbolism is, how important gestures, refusing to wear the slip e-saying i'll live in community as oppose toupd in the palace pinpoint to be amongst people. have homeless people come in for dinner. you can give a lot of sermons and have no impact. you can take one picture washing the feet of women. you can take one picture embracing a man with a disfigured face and that says more about who you are than these sermons. if you read his sermons this man is a man of deep thought, complexity like all of us catholics and some pretty kind of innovative ideas and i would like him to do more about women but he's at least said, you know, we want to think about theology and role of women. >> we'll be putting this up. we got a lot more to go.

the pope didn't say exactly that capitalism was the dung of the devil. he was quoting a 4th century philosophier. unfettered pursuit of money is the dung of the devil. >> thank you. >> nice to be here. >> we appreciate your coming on. msnbc's coverage of the pope's arrival will start today at 3:00 p.m. coming up new details inside the case of bowe bergdahl. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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they are not sending the pest. they are bringing drugs, crime, rapists. i assume some are good people. >> they have to go. we'll work with them. >> we have many problems in our country, one of them is immigration. we are going to build a wall. by the way mexico can pay for the wall. >> okay. joining us now the co-founder of aol, chairman of case foundation, steve case. in a recent op-ed for "the washington post" case urges business leaders to speak out against donald trump's stance on immigration. >> one thing donald trump is saying is if you get an mba from a great school don't leave let's fight to keep those people here. that's a stance democrats are fighting against. >> everybody is fighting for it. it's a complicated process. >> shouldn't we just pass that

first. >> some woulder from that. when the senate passed the comprehensive bill two years ago they wanted to take a more step by step approach. they could take that first step. so far it's gotten tied up in the politics. >> what about you. would you like a standalone bill that would let the best and brightest stay here. >> if we can figure out a way to get more of this done, immigration is a problem and opportunity. that's my preference. we need to figure out some way we win what's now a global battle for talent. there's a graduate of wharton where donald trump went to school wanted to stay in the country and start a company here. he couldn't gate visa. he was kicked out. went to india. 5,000 employees now in india. >> so, we're letting people go. letting best and brightest go and start jobs in new delhi instead of north carolina. >> correct. canada has pass ad start up

provision, ease you to come. most countries recognize that the battle is around innovation, entrepreneurship. >> my question is why don't we do that first since that's so important. the president and democrats have been holding it up. republicans are not great on immigration either. why don't we get this important start first so we can have people starting up new companies in detroit, new companies all over america? >> i'm not on the politics side. i'm trying to advocate on behalf of immigration reform. politics at least a couple of years ago it's a somewhat broader solution it's harder to build coalition to support. maybe that's changed. maybe there's way to take a step by step approach. on the republican side we need to take the first step. >> white house has been insifgt all or nothing approach. would you tell white house let's get this piece done dynasty piece by piece and abandon the

all or nothing approach >> i don't tell the white house anything. >> i'm giving you a chance now. snibl immigration needs to be solved and there are many facets around border security, the dream act. many different provisions. my preference would be to have a broader solution. if a broader solution is not possible at least taking the first step around a high skilled immigration. ultimately, though, as a country we need to solve the broader problem. >> your voice historically has bean very powerful one in the republican party. for the reason you just explained because small businesses are the engines of growth and you talked about the graduate employing 5,000 people. that used to be a compelling argument to republican voters. do you worry that's being subsumed by the message of donald trump. >> entrepreneurs, innovation

those words never appeared. the reason why we're the leader of the free world we have been the most initiatifst innovative entrepreneurial nation. what are the right ways to make sure we can remain the most innovative entrepreneurial nation. >> are you hearing that from anybody in the republican field? >> there's some discussion of it. obviously carly fiorina co-chaired a task force on small business with her last year. jeb bush has talked a lot. marco rubio introduced legislation several years ago called the start up act. overall debate including from the media is focused on these divisive issues and we need to focus more on the hopes and less on the fears and moving forward. in a three hour debate i wish there was more discussion around innovation and entrepreneurship. >> more questions.

donald trump would tell you, you know, let me know if we disagree we wouldn't be talking about this without him. >> tissue he issue of immigrati front and center. the day after that election john boehner said we need to pass immigration reform otherwise the republican party doesn't have a great future. i think the way it was framed in such a negative, hostile criminal way was unhelpful. >> one of the issues we have to acknowledge is the abuse that happens twin legal system right now. i'm sure you saw the report from my colleague julie preston that revealed how disney was using its employees to train foreign workers who would then take those american employees jobs. shouldn't companies like disney be held accountable for that and how do you create a system in which that never occurs again. >> you pass immigration reform

that deals with these issues. there's issues around h1b, creating 700 miles of fence so the border would be more secure if that legislation passed two years ago. these are complicated issues. we can't just talk about it in sound bites and hostile rhetoric. we have to deal with the problem in a constructive way to make sure we're taking the steps to remain the most innovative entrepreneurial nation. our nation is at risk. we may lose our way in part because we're not winning this global battle for talent. >> steve case thank you so much. great to have you on the show again. still ahead he's coming off another interesting interview with donald trump. hugh hewitt joins us live when "morning joe" continues.

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for 2016. hillary clinton with a 13-point lead over bernie sanders nationwide. that's down from her lead of 24 points. she's down 7 points, bernie is actually up 4 points, biden is up 4 points. the new cnn finds her with an 18-point lead over sanders. that number is unchanged since august. bernie at 24, biden at 22, getting up there. and looking deeper, it seems that joe biden does seem to be affecting the numbers in the democratic field. clinton's lead widens significantly if he's not included as an option to vote for, mika. >> in the cnn poll, her advantage goes from 18 points to nearly 30.

but new favorability numbers in new york, a net drop of 21 points in july when her favorability rating was 56 points. >> that's really a warning sign when your numbers are upside down in your own state. scott walker had it, chris christie had it. >> she's had a brutal three, four months, though. ron, almost all self-inflicted wounds. >> i kept going back to conversations i had with her campaign, they kept saying trust doesn't matter, trust doesn't matter. they said bill clinton had lower

trust numbers than president bush -- >> he said trust doesn't matter? >> many other officials are making the same argument but literally that was a quote. >> in her home state of new york, she's lost 12 minutes to a favorability rating since july. from 56 down to 46. >> that's a precipitous drop. >> that is a precipitous drop. >> people don't like it when public officials don't tell them the truth. >> has she started back in the right direction of starting to go on these shows and joking around and doing some interview shows? >> i mean, i hear more people cringe when they hear those things than cheer. i think she should crawl to the bottle, find her ugliest truths

and then climb back up and a lot of people will vote for her. she does have decent numbers compared to others running. think think there's still this dread that she hasn't reached the bottom yet, that another shoe could drop. >> i don't think the problem isn't as much. what she did, it's how she's handled it. >> unless she's able to be transparent and say i violated policy, the rest is -- >> we don't have mark halperin with us, do we?

that would be like someone asking me what my opinion on partial birth abortion and me saying i'm going to wait until the white house comes taught out with a position. the state department said there was less of an environmental impact if you put the pipeline in and it would create 40,000 jobs, which are construction jobs. people say, oh, they're only temporary jobs. when you have a construction job on a mall, you don't say, okay, i'm going to retire when i'm 55 if you're a 25-year-old construction person. if i can't help listen to her talk about keystone and just

think you can just hear the money sloshing around. there's a contributor or somebody there that's freezing her because this is one of the more unifying issues on the democratic side of the aisle, rob. >> she doesn't realize how times have changed. she's making a calculated political decision. people want transparency. >> this is the what trump says i'm not tied to anybody, some guy last week wanted to give me 5 million, i didn't take it. >> he can answer on keystone. you may not like his answer. >> coming up, how iran will

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>> you predicted scott walker would get out of the race. >> look at this. and you're wearing a plaid shirt in honor of scott walker. >> i rolled out of bed and it fit. >> that's what he does. >> nicole said that running for president was all lightning in the bottle. i remember one time you told me you have to raise more money really to run statewide for senate in a big state than you do getting a foothold in a presidential race because if you catch lightning in a bottle, you take off. . we saw it happen with trump, we saw it with fiorina, we saw it with scott walker, who was first place in july and now out.

>> i remember seeing the conversation when people were saying he was off the charts, mesmerizing to the audience. so to me -- >> that must have been a day i wasn't here. >> but not to them, not to the journalists, but to the audience, that the audience was so wowed by him that the early take from republicans was that he was the one to beat in the spring. >> he was a good guy, he was a solid guy, a lot of people excited about him. but, ron fournier, i also heard a lot of people saying early he's a great, great shortstop but he's a aa shortstop. that was quietly the buzz around this table for the past six months. people think he's been around forever. he was just goff in 2010.

that's a big stage to fill the first time you walk on to it. >> we talk about governor clinton, who every time he came out, he seemed bigger, talked slowly. scott walker didn't grow an inch. >> donald trump came in and sucked up all the oxygen in the room.

tell us what you know about scott walker, a guy i may have voted for. >> there's a thing in politics called the virtuous cycle, where you raise money, your poll numbers go up, you can raise more money off of that. walker had the opposite going on. declining poll numbers, worst press clips and in the end it was the lack money that caused him to drop out. this is not a rich guy. it's not a guy that wants to go into debt. after a weekend of talking about it -- >> we're showing, by the way, an extraordinary drop. i don't think i've ever seen a drop quite that fast over a month or two but a drop from 30% down to 3%. he was leading in july. now of course an asterisk. >> they looked for a plan to say can we basically shut down the operation in wisconsin and move

to iowa. but there simply wasn't enough money coming in. he couldn't campaign in iowa and fund raise effectively. he decided he was a young guy and he really does believe that somebody like a bush or rubio or kasich needs to rise up now to stop donald trump. this wasn't a self-less decision, it was a money decision. >> walker cited the need for other candidates to co less behind an alternative when announcing his decision. >> ronald reagan was good for america because he was an optimist. sadly, the debate taking place in the republican party today is not focused on that optimistic view of america. instead it has drifted into personal attacks. in the end i believe that the voters want to be for something and not against someone. >> today i believe that i am

being called to lead by helping to clear the field in this race so that a positive, conservative message, can rise to the top of the field. with this in mind, i will suspend my campaign immediately. iin courage other republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same so that the voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive, conservative alternative to the current front-runner. >> incredible. that was all about donald trump. i mean, his withdrawal speech was all about donald trump, we have to beat donald trump. >> it made me think of the rumsfeld, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had. >> he'd been running his campaign, in a field in a

political moment he wished he was going against. >> mike, it's been also the backdrop of this, an ugly 24 to 48 hours for my republican party. one top candidate talking about religious tests, another top candidate suggesting given that barack obama want born -- or barack obama is a muslim. and scott walker, who fought unions three times in four years. i don't think a guy like that fits into the general ugliness we've seen in the last 4 hours.

it starting to go off a cliff and i'm starting to get pissed off and starting to wonder when my party is going to start fighting back aggressively and angrily against these people. i almost swore. i was going to get in trouble. >> to your point, joe, it seems viewing it from rather the outside, i think i'm looking at it from the outside. not all of these candidates but too many of them are living in their own separate universe, their own cacoon talking to just a slice of the electorate. scott walker, i saw him in new hampshire earlier this spring and he stood up in new hampshire and went on with b what he did in wisconsin about public employees and he went on about unions, busting up unions. people in the audience m

mystified. in terms of their pretty that ted cruz, specific set of people. ben carson, i have no idea who he's speaking to. >> he's speaking to people who don't like muslims. we can narrow that down now. >> two things are not going to win you an election in our country, fear and anger. >> this is looking really good for hillary clinton, by the way. >> or sanders. >> or biden. >> but she's talking about these issues. she's trying to at least. with walker out, john kasich is now the only midwesterner running opinion and chris christie could draw new support. christie a.

>> i don't share his view. i don't think there's anything dangerous going on. the fact is we're having a competition of ideas and personal and approach and vision will be. >> donald turned to instagram once again with a video hitting jeb bush after the florida governor admitted to smoking marijuana. >> if you take a look at it, some might say it's a tiny bit clever but these are mean little instagrams. take a look. >> would you have authorized the invasion in. >> i would have. it an act of love. >> frankly, it more related to asian people. >> so 40 years ago i smoked marijuana. ♪ >> it's middle school. >> it funny. >> itlever but, look, to what you were saying earlier -- >> i agree. >> do you think it funny?

>> it's sort of -- i sort of felt like when i was in 7th grade. this was -- >> but it's part of a bigger strategy. >> robotic, low energy. >> the question is how does jeb respond to the jabs? >> you got to ignore the jabs. >> he hasn't done well with them. >> let's talk about the total disconnect of the political system of the voters and how angry they are. you can capitalize that, you can exploit that with an d aspirational messages -- >> but you can deliver a really positive message and be pissed off. i kind of did it. jesus called it righteous anger. if seems right now republican

voters are having to choose between pissed off and milk toast. you can be optimistic and righteous and have jesus' righteous angernd have people up on their feet. you got to choose the anger or, you know, i believe in hope and growth and opportunity. >> all except nobody's hitting it, nobody it coming close. >> nobody is coming close! >> the republican party is an absolute mess right now. huf got close than half the party that's going with trump and carson and wants nothing to do with office holders. so governors could be an endangered species in this race, right? you already got rid of a governor of texas who actually accomplished a lot of stuff. you got rid of the governor in

women who actually did stuff. i don't like what he did but he has how do you ever get thos trump and car anybody from the sort of rational side of the equation get those people back? >> i don't know. the person just described, nick, was chris christie back in 2011, 2012. i man, chris christie was a tough, angry guy but, you know, he got the majority of hispanic, it sounds krissy but he's the one can't that has the pew tant

nt without being too angry himself. but the problem for him is who doesn't have the credentials with the base. he's from jersey. and it hard to be the right messenger in this environment. this is very, very hard. >> hard to be the right messenger in this environment. >> but there's time. i never thought the trump thing was durable. it's our heart, it's our ahead -- >> in the last 24 hours we've had a religious test from ben carson, we've had donald trump suggesting he's a muslim -- hold on o second. do you think ben carson's numbers are going to gup or go down? >> you know what i hope the answer is is, i hope th go down.

>> you know what, they're going to go up. eight problem until somebody in the republican party speaks up and says something about it. you have to stand up. this is another sister solja moment! stand up! stom standing in the corner or you're going to end up like scott walker! >> i think where we land is somewhere that will make you feel better. >> usually not the case. we have to get mark hal perrin

in roar it's the one candidate that is liked, which is marco rubio. you've also got potentially chris christie and john kasich. all of them are biding their time, waiting to get closer. the party may be making a mistake thinking you can lay back. with the exception of lindsay graham, there is a lack of repudiation about what he really said. >> still to come, hugh hewitt there are those who follow in

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all right. we have hugh hewitt next. >> these fantastic. >> welcome back to "morning joe." >> sorry to interrupt. we just got a delivery into the building. >> we like special delivery. >> is it a present for me? >> it is a present. it's coffee. >> i don't need more coffee. oh, thank you. >> a note. >> joe and mi ka, whether it's regular or decaf is up to you but it should be good coffee. >> oh, who is that? >> john dickerson. >> so listen.

sometimes we're a little rough. the lipstick is mika's, not john dickerson's. so we were a little rough yesterday. it's a three-hour show. we wake up at 4 a.m. and i think we were a little rough on john yesterday on the air. a little tough. and we owe him an apology answered did yesterday afternoon, sometimes i drink too much coffee, that collides sometimes with a daily three-hour unscripted show. sometimes we just wake up at 3:30 and get here and we're a little bit on edge. i said, chris, sometimes i feel really bad and we should keep things in our head. i started describing the show

and he was like, i know, i was there for five years. >> john, thank you for the decaf. i of all people probably should drink more decaf. >> we're sorry. >> joining us from denver, we have nationally syndicated radio show host hugh hewitt. and here on set senior editor of "the national review, nordlinger. >> okay, mika laughed nervous think thinking you were talking about her father when you read the title. >> as arnold schwarzenegger would say, folks such as this. >> this is all about folks who are dictators and what their lives are like. >> we know about the ones who get drawn in. who are the ones that fight back? >> well, there was svetlana

stalin and also a daughter of castro defected in the 1990s and wrote her own truth telling book. her name is ferher father and hm killed people who might have read something because they might have earned something. >> i always wonder how many of do you have any sense of that? >> yes. almost no one's life is normal

in this bunch. they're rocked by imprisonment, iks ale, murder. sop of them were both vim victims and victimizers. we have two kims in north korea and the current assad. >> i was thinking of ude and kuse. >> as john mccain said, you'd and raich if so what their lives about in donald trump, 32%, ben

carson, 12%, jeb 11%, marco 6%, ted 5, chris christie. nicole is laughing. >> i'm not. i'm watching mika drink cream. >> a lot of these polls are starting to show that donald trump once again finishes a phase of this campaign, people predict this is the time he's going down and he just -- he stays up at 30 30rks 2%. -- 30, 32%. >> i this donald on my show again yesterday. it great to be on with jay, who is the finest essayist on the right. and his previous book, "peace they say" is ereally remarkable. sadly he is a michigan man. >> that's a shame.

>> so we have to put that aside. look, i think after cam you have donald trump sitting atop this mountain of candidate and there's one lane, and it got carl oo andio they're not going anywhere and the sen tr right lane, which is john casish and it's fascinating. >> i was not hugh. i've not been worrying. i thought ben karlsson and donald trump were good for the party. ne they i have been thought i i

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the subject matter? obviously an extraordinary part of mod american american pop culture. what first attracted you to it? >> there are several reasons. first of all, how little people know about it. secondly i was made aware of the plight of homeless youths on our street, which is still a problem and once in a while you want to do something very close to your heart. >> by the way, you were just saying and i was trying to figure out how much we needed to set this up. why don't you talk about the riots very briefly. >> the stonewall riots were pretty much spawned. it was the first time gay people stood up and went against police, you know. >> and it's really the first time that middle america -- >> but they were like -- it was not middle america that was like

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