>> i don't know if this is one of the ones he is scheduled to speak in english. i think it was -- well, he may. i don't know. do you know? >> i know that he has 16 versions -- 14 are in spanish. >> i think today, he did great, by the way. i thought his english was wonderful, but i don't think there were too many. and actually, brian, when a canonization happens in rome, it is very customary for the homily to be preached in the language of the person being canonized, so, in this sense, and in this sense, it's very appropriate that it would be in spanish, because serra spoke spanish. >> our control room is confirming it will be in spanish. professor, explain the significance, we welcome viewers, by the way, just after 5 p.m. here in the east, the

significance of the vestments, the decoration, the headpieces, all of it means something. >> it means, as i said, the catholic church is wonderful on ritual. and it means that this is an important moment and solemn moment and takes it very, very seriously. even though we have heard about francis simplifying shall not baring the red shoes, not baring some of the more elaborate vestments, it's still important for him to -- for all of us on this occasion, a sacramental moment, for him to be dressed this bay. >> ambassador flynn, during the course of our lifetime, we have seen great changes in catholic church and america and also seen, you mentioned it earlier in the conversation, a hurtful and embarrassing scandal that has overtaken any other news about the church. how hopeful are you for the future, sitting here today,

looking at this holy father, the leader of global catholics? >> well, i think maria said it beautifully, this is a modern church. modern church doesn't mean you change all your principles and your traditions, but it's more accommodating, it's more youthful church in many respects. you keep on making reference to frances being 78 years of age. i'm taking offense to that, by the age. i'm 76. but you can see the enthusiasm from young people. i mean, this is what it's all about. what do i look for? i have 17 grandchildren. what do i hope and pray for? to see my grandchildren having the level of respect anded in mir raci -- and admirational love that we had for the church, passed on to us by neighborhoods. i think you are seeing a regeneration of that, a rebirth, re

renaissance of the catholic church in america. every valley, every peak has a valley. we had our -- we had our peak at one time, then we had our valley. i think we are starting to go up that peak again and i think this is -- i'm excited. i probably won't be around to see the more glory days of the catholic church. but i am convinced in my heart of hearts, brian, everybody, i'm convinced that the church, the catholic church in america, you will see those pews filled with young people once again, just like they were when i was a kid growing up in south boston. >> and i have to believe for you in your lifetime, the election of a boston catholic to the white house has to have been one of those peaks. >> absolutely. you know, we are starting to see that. this is a kennedy moment here with the first -- first latin-american pope. the first franciscan -- the

first american saint. and here we are, we are seeing a regeneration, rebirth of the catholic church here in america. we will keep on talking about the firsts but once we get by the first, i think we will see a church on the right road, come back and with great pride, people will be coming become to the ch-- back to the church in america. >> joined by maria teresa kumar, it cults both ways, politically and the huge number of hispanic-catholics. >> the fact he is addressing this idea, not just immigrants, but american latinos, they are often the ones that are not part of the news, except when it comes to immigration. >> right. >> when you read a headline and you say america -- americas think this, they rarely include the polling of american latinos. when you ask them how do you feel about the climate change, how do you feel about america in general, they are the most

optimistic. they are the ones that actually think america's days are full ahead, best days are ahead of them, no one talks to them. this priest, this pope is actually saying we want to talk to you, we want to bring you into the fabric of it. and i think one of the pieces that was most powerful from the pope that really resonated with a lot of young people was when he was asked about his position on homosexuality and he said, "who am i to judge?" that immediately created, resonated, had ripple affects, all of a sudden, yeah, took a position of spiritual adviser saying we are imperfect, how do we move together forward? >> so, perhaps a good thing would be during the news media reporting on stories about, say, hard work, productivity, family values, instead of just immigration and deportation. >> american issues are latino issues and vice versa. latinos are the second largest, fastest growing, youngest demographic of americans and

fact that's speaking directly to the -- to this population, saying come out of the shadows, you know, recognize your roots as americans and actually be part of that conversation, i think also mainstreaming the american latino in many ways. one out of three americans believe one out of three are undocumented. he is mainstreaming it saying, you guys can lift all boats, not only the po you are to shape america but also have -- you have the global position to impact across globally. rise up to that challenge. >> ambassador flynn, this is a chance to show america to the world a global television audience, enormous television audience. how you failed to get a boston visit on this trip, i don't know, but i assume you have been assured the next time he is in this country he will visit the sizable catholic population of boston. >> actually, he was inviteded to come to boston by the mayor,

martin walsh and by sean o'malley, but we are a very deferential group of people here. >> i can tell. >> even though we win the championships and super bowls, red sox, we want to make sure that our joy is shared with catholics and people throughout the country. but brian, yeah, i think -- i think of all americans, and we are talking pride in the latino community and how we all feel so good about that, but think about all the immigrants. we say we are a country of immigrants. i'm irish. i feel so fluid this is -- this is an immigrant era here in america. a pope. a saint. this is what america is really about. let the banner be america one united states. that's what it's all about, regardless of religion and faith

and economics and that's what this -- that's what these whole four days are about. what do they talk about today? they talked about economic equality. they talked about immigration. they talked about hope and opportunity for marginalized people. you see pope francis go over to a group of young kids, down syndrome kids? i have a little grandson who is special needs. i coach his soccer team, believe it or not, i can imagine all the special needs parents in this country watching that on tv, the holy father would go over and kiss them on the head, it -- to me, i felt pride. i almost started crying. of all the things that i've seen on tv the last couple of days, that's the bun moment that will stick with me forever. francis going over, seeing these little handicapped special needs kids and giving them the love and attention that a father, mother, a parent.

my last point, parents always say to me, why is it that nobody pays any attention to my kids? we are special needs parents. billion, pope francis just changed the rules of the game right hire on natiere on nation television, the greatest thing i have seen. >> i can't concur with you more. he reserves his most tender moments for those children, as -- as parents, my wife and i have always said that our highest respect goes to fellow parents of special needs parents, children. and that moment earlier today was just striking in its simplicities. it was actually very private. i felt we were backing away. i felt we were getting intrusive by seeing it. kate snow rejoins this conversation. kate, it's part of his tactile tenderness as part of the leader of the catholic church. >> he has an approach, as bev been talking about for the last

couple of days, brian, that is incredibly human. he wants to reach out and touch people and as you have just said, i think people with disabilities are high on his list. he actually seeks out people in the crowd who look like that i recall that moment that we talked about before of a little boy who had -- who has cerebral palsy from rhode island, if you remember at the vatican a couple of years ago, it was a big moment that sort of went viral because he embraced him and he spoke in his ear and the parents of that child told me yesterday that they felt just so moved that he would make the time for people, as you say, ambassador, people who don't often get that kind of attention. >> well, tomorrow, he is going to be going to a homeless shelter. again, he is putting a face to a mirror saying we have to help the most vulnerable. we have to have a discussion of this idea of this increasingly

inequality and have the discussion, beck actually try to solve those issues in a very collective way and i think that's what makes it so beautiful. there are so many people that i have spoken to that are not catholic saying i'm not catholic, i don't practice, but he has touched me, he is actually speaking to me in a way i have not heard a religious leader speak to me before. >> professor again for non-catholics and our audience where are we in the mass? >> just sang the alleluia, a joyful moment, everyone is rising, talked about pope francis talking about joy, it's time to read the gospels, we have heard in the literature jirk the word from the old testimony, the new testament, the gospel, followed by the homily.

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>> professor, the pope is about to do the reading? >> the word of god. yes, the -- to spread the word of god, which he has talked about in connection to the saint, about bringing the word of god's people, he speaks -- this is a catholic mass, particular resonance to catholics, but remember, he says he speaks to all people of goodwill. he used that today in his white house address and how you bring the word of god to people who don't know it or don't understand it. i think that he hasn't changed church teaching at all, but he has helped people access it.

>> translator: rejoice in the lord always. i shall say it again. rejoice. these are striking words, words which impact our lives. paul tells us to rejoice. he practically orders us to rejoice. this command resonates about a desire we all have for a fulfilling life, a meaningful life, a joyful life. it is as if paul could hear what

each one of us is thinking in his or her heart and to voice what we are feeling, what we are experiencing. something deep within us invites us to rejoice and tells us not to set off our placebos which simply keep us comfortable. at the same time though, we all know the struggles of every day life. so much seems to stand in the way of this invitation to rejoice. our daily routine can often read us to a kind of glum apathy which gradually becomes a habit with a fatal consequence, our

hearts grow numb. we don't want apathy to guide our lives. or do we? we don't want the force of habit to rule our life. or do we? so we ought to ask ourselves, what can we do to keep our heart from growing numb, from becoming a necessa anestheti anesthetized? how do we let the gospel take deep root in our lives? jesus gave us the answer. he said to his disciples then and he side us now, "go forth,

proclaim. the joy of the gospel is something to be experienced, something to be known and lived only through giving it away, through giving ourselves away." the spirit of the world tells us to be like everyone else, to settle for what comes easy. faced with this human way of thinking, we must regain the conviction that we need one another, that we have a shared responsibility for others and for the world. it is the responsibility to proclaim the message of jesus. for the source of our joy is an endless desire to show mercy, the fruit of our own experience of the power of the father's

infinite mercy. go out to all. proclaim by anointing and anoint by proclaiming. this is what the lord tells us today. he tells us, a christian finds joy in mission. go out to people of every nation. a christian experiences joy in following a commandment. . go forth and proclaim the good news. a christian finds ever new joy in answering a call. go forth and appoint. jesus sends his disciples out to all nations, to every people.

we, too, were part of all those people of 2,000 years ago. jesus did not provide a short list of who is or who is not worthy of receiving his message. his message. his presence. instead, he always embraced life as he saw it. and faces of pain, hunger, sickness and sin, in faces of wounds, of thirst, of wariness, doubt and pity. far from expecting a pretty life, smartly dressed and neatly groomed, he embraced life as he found it.

it made no difference whether it was dirty, unkempt or broken. jesus said, go out and tell the good news to everyone. go out and in my name, embrace life as it is and not as you think it should be. go out to the highways and byways. go out to tell the good news fearlessly, without prejudice, without superiority, without condescension. to all those who have lost the joy of living. go out to proclaim the merciful embrace of the father. go out to those who are burdened by pain and failure, who feel that their lives are empty and

proclaim the faulty of a loving father who wants to annoint them with the oil of hope, the oil of salvation. go out to proclaim the good news, that error, deceitful illusions and falsehoods do not have the last word in a person's life. go out with the ointment which soothes wounds and heals hearts. mission is never the fruit of a perfectly planned program or a well-organized manual. mission is always the fruit of a life which knows what it is to be found and healed, encountered and forgiven.

mission is borne of a constant expression of god's merciful anointing. the church, the holy people of god, transfer thusly in the paths of history so often traversed by conflict, injustice and violence in order to encounter her children, our brothers and sisters. the holy and faithful people of god are not afraid of losing their way. they are afraid of becoming self-enclosed, frozen into -- clinging to their own security. they know that self-enclosure in

all the many forms it takes is the cause of so much apathy. so, let us go out. let us go forth to offer everyone the life of jesus christ. the people of god can embrace everyone because ber the disciples of the one who knelt before his own to wash their feet. the reason we are here today is that many other people wanted to respond to that call. they believed that life grows by giving away and it weakens in

isolation and comfort. we are heirs to the bold missionary spirit of so many men and women who prefer not to be shut up within structures which give us a false sense of security, within habits which make us feel safe while at our door, people are starving. we are indebted to a tradition, a chain of witnesses who have made it possible for the good news of the gospel to be in every generation, both good and news. and today, we remember one of

those witnesses who testified to the joy of the gospel in these lands. father junipero serra, he was the embodiment of a church which goes forth, a church which sets out to bring everywhere the reconciling, then the news of god. junipero serra left his native land and his way of life. he was excited about blazing trails, going forth to meet many people, learning and valuing the particular customs and bways of life. he learned how to bring to birth and nurture god's life in the faces of the native -- of

everyone he met. junipero sought to defend the dignity of the native community, to protect it from those who have mistreated and abused it, mistreatment and wrongs which today, still trouble us, especially because of the hurt which they caused in the lives of many people. father serra had a motto which inspired his life and work. a saying he lived his life by. "keep moving forward." for him, this was the way to continue experiencing the joy of the gospel, to keep his heart from growing numb, from being a

necessary -- being anest threat sized. he kept going forward before his brothers were baiting. he kept going because his sisters were baiting. he kept going to the end of his life. today, like him, may we always be able to say forward, let's keep moving forward. [ applause ] >> full-throated call for mission. a warning about the perils of glum apathy and numbness. and as we move along here, a final word on what we just witnessed from professor kathleen sprows cummings of north dame. what did you think? >> so many of the themes of his pontificate, joy, going forth, i

understand now why he picked serra, what exactly he means to him he quoted serra's motto, always go forward. and i think from this moment with the new saint going forward in the church means not forgetting about the hurt and trying to find where healing and reconciliation is and that will be part of the conversation that american catholics and others will be having after this event. >> maria theresa kumar, same question. >> i think similar answer. go forward. he recognizes that a lot of folks around the world and america are in pain. don't let that numbness get in your way, actually listen to the word, whether you are catholic or not and be part of that journey so that we can move forward together. >> ambassador ray flynn. the miracle of television brought you right here in the homes across the world, we have seen the landing of the moon, we have seen coronations, elections, crisis, riots. this is what we saw, this is one of those moments, one of those

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good evening on what has been an historic day in washington. if you are just joining us, we have been watching all afternoon pope francis on his very first trip to the united states, at an every turn, enormous crowds. right now, you are looking at a live picture of the mass happening at the basilica at the national shrine of the immaculate con accepts in washington. just a few moments ago, he finished speaking the homily. anne thompson is there with a crowd of more than 20,000 people. ape, i don

anne, i don't know if you can speak as the mass continues here, can you give us a chance what it is like to be there? >> it sin credible, i apologize for the golf whisper but what's required for us here on the riser at mass. there are an estimated 23 to 25,000 people here and they have been held rapt ever since pope francis appeared in the popemobile. before mass, he made two loops around the area here at the east side of the basilica and people cheered, they went crazy. it felt like a football game, you know, there was so much excitement. and then he went inside. and when he prayed inside the basilica, a very quiet, very pence sive moment for him, the crowd went entirely silent, then the mass, which has been going on now for a little more than an hour, about an hour and 10 minute, this crowd has been incredibly attentive. fuzz go to st. petary he is, not unusual to get quiet during a mass.

i wondered if the same thing would happen in the u.s. i can tell you is happening here in washington today. people have been extraordinarily respectful. they hung on every word of his sermon, which was delivered in spanish, but translated to english up on the jumbotron. it has been a remarkable afternoo afternoon. >> the message of the homily, we talked about before the break, the glum apathy that can seize us, that we have to work hard not to fall into that that area yes said our hea where he said our hearts grow numb. >> that is the appeal of pope francis, that his message reverberates to everyone, impacts everyone, not just catholics, he said today at the white house that this journey was one of encounter and dialogue. he very, very much believes that

the only way we can improve our situation, whether it's on a humanitarian basis or a political basis or even a spiritual basis is to talk to each other. that's what he wants. and to see the other person you may disagree with on an issue as a human being just like you are and that's how you start to find common ground. one of the things he did today when he met with his brother bishops at st. matthew's cathedral is get out of the church, talk to people, not just the parishioners who like them, and maybe the catholics who got out of the church and do what father serra did in california, get out there and spread the gospel, evangelize. they talk about the new evangelization, what pope francis is urging people to do he wants his bishops, wants his priests and the laity to get out there and talk to each other about the joy of a life of faith a joy that we saw here evidenced

in his actions all throughout the day here in washington, d.c. >> anne thompson, thank you so much. kathleen, i'm conscious of the moment here, we are nearing the communion, aren't we? >> i can't -- i haven't been able -- yes, well, the liturgy of the eucharist, but they are bringing up the gifts at this point. i don't know who's in the procession. i would imagine that there are representatives of indigenous groups from california, as i understand they were involved in the liturgy, so, this is the presentation of the bread and the wine that will be transformed into the body and blood of christ. i don't want to offend any catholics in our audience. >> we are not at the consecration yet. >> we will be careful about talking over. >> exactly. >> tell me your thoughts again, kathleen, as you listen to that homily, we were just talking to anne about the messaging. and we are going to see the pope in so many different venues over

the next several days, this is a very religious venue, but then we will see him at congress tomorrow. we will see him delivering mass at madison square garden here in new york. do you expect different messages each time or similar? >> he will tailor the message to the particular event and it was focused on a missionary. today, the missionary he just canonized but i think it's been remarkably consistent. what i kept thinking about, it is said in the days before the conclave, when the cardinals were meeting with each other, the moment when then-cardinal brogolio caught people's attention was when he was coating scripture from revelation, seeing where a description of jesus knocking and he said we interpret that as jesus knocking to get in, but maybe jesus is knocking to get out. so, to get the church out to the world and isn't that what he is doing? physically, he is here, he is canonizing a saint here, he has told the bishops today, get out,

go with the people, go forth. so, i think that, yes, he will -- he will tweak the message in the particular event, but it's going to be consistent with what he has been talking about his entire pontificate and even before he was elected. >> maria teresa kumar, i couldn't help but think what it must be like for latinos, for hispanic members of the community, to hear him saying -- [ speaking spanish ] this has to be resonating, just the fact he is speaking in spanish and holding mass in spanish. >> relevant because for a very long time, for the first in a long time, they are recognizing the american latino as part of society, someone actually contributing. right now, if you talk to many american latinos, they feel kind of beat up, they feel like no one is really paying attention to them. somehow along this conversation's narrative the last couple of years, they become second-class citizens and he is lifting them up saying there is brighter days. part of the conversation you are going to hear, he is going to be talking a lot about the need for

immigration, the first thing he said when he opened up -- >> he said i, myself, an am immigrant. >> a town tights, almost like called to action for the american latinos, to stand up and to feel the xbroi but also the warmth that they are part of the society, this fabric. >> you know what, another message i agree with maria 100% about the immigrant and respect for immigrant. another issue i really hope that he talks about tomorrow in congress that he didn't talk really about at this service and that is the persecution and the genocide against christians in many parts of the world. i think he has to be very forceful, very emphatic so the congress sees it so the american people hear it. is genocide going on against christians, many of whom are catholic in northern africa, in the middle east and if he has the same kind of profound impact, speaking on that issue

as he is here today, as he has here today, i think you will see a new day in religious persecution and religious liberty. as he said, the foundation of the american principles and constitution. >> ambassador ray flynn, thanks so much. i know you're probably going to have to leave us. thank you. we're going to listen in again. >> translator: we celebrate through christ our lord. the lord be with you. lift up your hearts. let us live -- let us give thanks to the lord our god. it is truly right and just, our duty and our salvation always and ever were to give you thanks, lord, holy father, almighty and eternal god, through christ our lord. for, as on the festival of st. junipero serra, you bid your

church rejoice, so, too you strengthen her by the example of his holy life, teach her by his words of preaching and keep her safe in answer to his prayers. and so, with the company of angels and saints, we sing the hymn of your praise. as without end, we acclaim. ♪ hosanna, hosanna, hosanna in excelcis ♪ ♪ holy, holily, holy lord god of hosts ♪ ♪ hose sanaa, hose sanaa, hose

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ascension into heaven and as we look forward his second coming we offer you in thanksgiving his holy and living sacrifice. look, we pray, upon the oblagz of your church and recognizing the victim by his death you willed to reconcile us to yourself. grant that we who are nourished by the body and blood of your son and filled with his holy spirit may become one body, one spirit in christ. so we may maintain inheritance with your elect especially with mary mother of god, joseph her spouse with blessed apostles and

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♪ amen, amen, amen ♪ amen, amen, amen >> at the saviors command informed by divine teaching we dare to say our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, by kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. give us this day our daily bread

and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. deliver us, lord, we pray from every evil. graciously grant peace in our days. that by the help of your mercy we be always free from sin and safe from all distress as we await the blessed hope and the coming of our savior jesus christ. for the kingdom, the power and glory are yours now and forever. lord jesus christ you said to your apostles peace i leave you, my peace i give you. look not on our sins but on the

faith of your church and graciously grant her peace and unity in accordance with your will who live and reign forever and ever. the peace of the lord be with you always. and with your spirit. let us offer each other the sign of peace. ♪

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we have been listening in here and watching the sights and sounds of the first mass to be celebrated by pope francis here in the united states. you are looking at washington, d.c. and the basilica there. it's something to take in. kathleen, you have been with us all afternoon. kathleen, appreciate you sticking around with us. we are watching holy communion now. there are a number of people in this crowd that we might want to mention. vice president biden we may see walk up there, four supreme court justices are in the audience or three i think at this point. one may have left. this is such a significant day. what we were just watching

unfold, tell me the sentence of that moment. that is one of the holiest moments. >> the most sacred sacrament. i was watching on screen at the moment of consecration when pope francis held the bread up and turned it into the body of christ. he has been saying and people have been saying about him that he comes to us not as pope but as a pastor, as the world's pastor, as a priest. the reverence and the expression on his face. to think this is the first time that he has done that here in the united states. it was incredibly moving. >> i want to bring in ann thompson at the national basilica. can you hear me? >> reporter: i can hear you. they are now distributing communion. it really is one of the more amazing things to watch. they go out with the marines to get communion to 23,000 people.

it's not an easy task but it is something that many people want to partake in. for many people down there this will be the most holy moment of the entire ceremony, receiving the communion wafer which catholics believe is the body and blood of christ. >> ann thompson, thank you so much for a long day with us here on msnbc. we have been joined by another guest here in the studio. i want to welcome father perez. i know you have known this pope for some time. >> yes. over the last 30 years. >> 30 years. tell me -- we have been talking about what the crowd has been feeling and what we have all been feeling. what do you think it means to pope francis to look out at this crowd in america and deliver a ma mass. >> for she