children, and for yours. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> well, he went wildly over a lot of time. these are supposed to be 15-minute addresses. he more than doubled that. barack obama just delivered a speech that could be subtitled "reasons to love democracy." chris matthews, there was a swipe at trump. he criticized those calling for the building of walls to keep out immigrants. he reminded nations chanting "death to america" does not create jobs. and he called isis an apocalyptic cult. what did you make of that speech? >> i thought, as you said earlier, this was going to be a real effort on the part of his speech writer and the president, they worked hard on this. i think a couple things. swipe the a donald trump, clearly. laying down of the marker for his negotiations with putin clearly there, saying he

disagrees about the legitimacy about the assad regime. what i saw there was the post-presidential obama, the man he wants to become. when he moves to new york where he paid great tribute to the city of new york, is he going to be a post-presidential nelson mandela. he is going to be a man of the world selling democracy, claiming credit for climate change initiatives with opening to cuba, with trade deals. he is laying down all the values he is going to be spending the rest of his life, i believe, promoting. today we saw it as an away game. it did soon and home game for him. he will become a presidential leader who will become a global figure. >> one of the amazing things about the u.n. gathering, we get to see chris jansing, our white house correspondent, here in new york. your impressions. >> much like what chris said. we heard a president seven years in who was talking not just about democracy but defending the diplomacy that's given him some of his finest foreign policy achievements. it worked in eye rain wiin -- i

with the nuclear agreement. he talked about the opening he created with cuba. but he also talked about syria and assad and that is what is hanging over this meeting, what is sort of standing between him and what he wants his foreign policy legacy to be. he's going into that meeting with vladimir putin diametrically opposed ideas of what should happen. uk's david cameron saying maybe we can have a transition where assad stays for a while. incredibly complex time but he has laid down his marker for what he believes his legacy should be and it is about diplomacy over use of force. >> call it the northern white house chris jansing gets to cover all of it as the president travels here to new york. we'll have more on all of it upcoming. for now, let's go over to msnbc's tamron hall. thank you very much. good morning, everyone. we'll have much more on the president's remarks before the u.n. general assembly, including how his remarks set the stage for this big meeting coming up

with vladimir putin. we'll talk about that. but i with a'nt to bring you more breaking news involving donald trump. he is about to announce his plan for overhauling the income tax system. trump has already said his plan would include tax hikes on the wealthy and cut taxes for millions of middle class taxpayers and businesses. he also pushed back when asked about the conventional republican philosophy on taxes. >> but republicans don't raise taxes. >> but we're not raising taxes. >> what kind of republican are you? >> i mean the only -- well, i'm a pretty good republican but i will tell you this. i do have some differences. i don't want to have certain people on wall street get away with paying no tax. >> now the unveiling of trump's tax plan comes as our new nbc news/wall street poll shows him neck and neck now with dr. ben carson. trump now holding just a one-point lead. now our poll also shows senator marco rubio and carly fiorina now tied for third place with jeb bush now in fifth place. down seven points since july.

we want you to weigh in on trump's news conference as we prepare for it. as you listen to it. use our bing pulse feature. do you think trump's tax plan will help his campaign in logon to pulse.msnbc.com when trump starts speaking, which should be any moment as i watch our live picture of the crowd gathering there. to nbc's kati ty katy tur, trump tower. chuck todd, much more of his interview with hillary clinton and carly fiorina as we await donald trump's news conference. we'll continue to watch the democratic race as well. let me go to katy tur quicklily. donald trump just starting out now. >> so, we're going to be discussing something so important for our country, for our economy, and for getting us all working again, and working well again. it's a tax reform that i think

will make america strong and great again. americans are working -- too many jobs are being shipped overseas and too many middle income families cannot make ends meet. this plan directly meets these challenges and the challenges also of business. it will provide major tax relief for middle income and for most other americans. there will be a major tax reduction. it will simplify the tax code. it will grow the american economy at a level that it hasn't seen for decades. and all of this does not add to our deficit.

but i'll also be discussing some of that at the end, because we have to make much better deals, we have to negotiate much harder, to make our economy strong. changes for individuals will be at levels that you haven't seen in a long time. we're going to cut the individual rates from seven brackets to four. simplification. 25%, 20%, 10%, and 0. if you're single and your honor le blsh if you're single and earn less than $25,000 a year or married, and jointly -- and jointly -- earn $50,000 -- so, very important. if you're single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you'll not pay any income tax.

nothing. this eliminates very strongly and quickly the marriage penalty. very unfair penalty. it eliminates the amt which is the alternative minimum tax. it ends the death tax. it is a double taxation. a lot of families go through hell over the death tax. it reduces or eliminates most of the deductions and loopholes available to special interests and to the very rich. while preserving charitable giving and mortgage interest deductions. very importantly. hedge funds folks, they make a

lot of money. carried interest. so it ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital. changes for business. now, so important. because it's all about business. it's all about jobs. we have 93 million people in this country that are in serious trouble, that want to work, they can't work. so for business. no business of any size from a fortune 500 company to a mom and pop shop, to a freelancer living from gig to gig will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. big reduction. a one-time deemed repatriation of corporate capital held

overseas at significantly discount -- what's coming back at a significantly discount -- [ inaudible ] so it comes back discounted at a 10% tax rate and ends the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad. now, it's called corporate inversion. it's a huge subject. i've been watching politicians now for years. all talk, no action. politicians. i've been watching them for years talking about bringing this money back. the number is probably $2.5 trillion. everybody agrees it should come back. republicans, democrats, everybody. they can't make a deal. they don't know how to go about making a deal. the reason companies aren't bringing it back is the tax is onerous. it doesn't make sense to me. in fact, many companies are leaving the united states, they're leaving our shores to go

and collect their money. they're going actually moving out of the united states for two reasons, the taxes are too high, and because they have tremend s tremendous -- that they can't bring back into this country that everybody wants them to bring back in. it's called leadership. we will have that money broad back in. as an example, i have millions of dollars overseas. i can't bring it back into this country. we file papers. we've been doing this for a year and half. you can't get it back in. so the money stays in other countries and that's what happens. not good for us. the level of leadership that we need to get things like this done is so important. but this is something -- i've been watching it for a long time. everybody agrees to. we also reduced or eliminate some business loopholes, many of them actually, and deductions

made unnecessary or redundant daby the new lower tax rate on business income. tax rate now is so low, a lot of rules that are complicated which don't make sense and are unfair are gone. and we phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of the business interest expense. so we are going to give you -- we have a set papers that actually if you know business is not so complex. we're going to hand them out right now to the president. and i think you'll see. we have an amazing code. it will be simple, it will be easy, it will be fair. it's graduated. as you get up in income, you pay a little more. some of the very unfair deductions that certain people have been given who make a lot of money will not be available any longer but i actually

believe they'll do better because i believe the economy will grow rapidly and we'll have something very special. now with all of that being said, and before we take some questions, we have to cut the costs of what's going on in this country. if you look at what we're doing, and the money we're spending, i read where a washer -- you know what a washer is? nuts, bolts and washer. to send from one state to another, it was a 19 cent washer and it cost $900,000-so. hammers. they sell for a tiny amount of money. we will run this company properly. we are reducing taxes, but at the same time if i win, if i become president, we will be able to cut so much money.

we won't be losing anything other than we'll be balancing budgets and getting them where they should be. i did the plan with some of the leading scholars and economists and tax experts that there are in this country. they love it. they say why hasn't this been done before? and this is my wheelhouse. that's what i do well. the economy is what i do well. whenever they do polls, i always come out way ahead of everybody else on the economy. and on leadership, by the way. but i won't say that. so, if anybody has -- [ applause ]

>> thank you. that's amazing. that's some of the press was actually clapping. i never saw that. i don't think i've ever seen that before. all right, why don't we take some questions from the press? yes, go ahead. no be with i'm not going to do that. but we have some of the top people in the country worked on this. inaudible question ] >> we will looking at 3% but we think it could be 5%, even 6%. by the way, if we have more than 3%, these numbers are really spectacular. one of the things they don't take into account in any big-league fashion is the cutting. there is so much waste in government that i believe when i get in there i'll be able to cut, without losing anything, to cut tremendous amounts off of the -- we're not even showing anything for that. so they're very kconservative numbers. yes. [ inaudible question ]

>> my taxes will -- first of all, i'll have a much simpler tax statement. it will be much simpler. when i do my return, my returns go up to the ceiling and beyond. which is ridiculous. and you spend millions of dollars at a high level on lawyers, accountants and everything else. we want to simplify them to tremendous level. the bracket of 25%, the big difference is many of the loopholes and many of the deductions which are old, have been there for years, are antiquated, were put there because a lot of the people that get these deductions are contributed to hillary, they're contributing to bush, they're contributing to every candidate but trump. because i'm not taking any money. i'm self-funding. and these people want these deductions. there will be people -- we're reducing taxes. but believe me, there will be people in the very upper echelons that won't be thrilled

with this. we're taking away deductions and that's one of the reasons we're able to lower it. [ inaudible question ] >> this is actually a big tax reduction. including for the upper income. i believe that the economy will do so well that even though they won't be getting certain deductions -- which aren't fair for them to be getting -- that they'll end up doing better. yes, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> i just think this is a common sense approach. we could say supply side. you could say there's 15 different names given out for different increases. i don't think it is supply side or anything else. i think this is a common sense well thought out tracks proposal that's going to trigger the economy, going to make everybody

go back and really want to work. it is going to create tremendous numbers of jobs. one of the other things that i'm coupling this with is if i become president i'm going to renegotiate our trade deals. because our trade deals are not sustainable by this country. not sustainable. we cannot continue to let our jobs go to all of the different countries. there's not a country that we negotiate with that doesn't make a better deal. everybody. we lose money with everything. i'm also going to renegotiate some of our military costs because we protect south korea. we protect germany. we protect some of the wealthiest countries in the world -- saudi arabia. we protect everybody. we protect everybody. we don't get reimbursement. we lose on everything. we lose on everything. so we're going to negotiate and renegotiate trade deals, military deals, many other deals that's going to get the costs down for running our country very significantly. i'm not showing a big number in

that. but i believe that if i become president, those numbers are going to be massive. as an example, saudi arabia. they make $1 billion a day. we protect them. so we need help. we're losing a tremendous amount of money on a yearly basis and we owe $19 trillion. i used to say $18 trillion. for the last six, seven months. now it is $19 trillion. it is only going up. yes, tom. [ inaudible question ] >> well, look. look. senator rubio is a lightweight. we understand that. he wouldn't know a trade deal from any other deal. and what certain people are trying to do is they're trying to take -- we just went up in the last poll. we went up two points in the last poll. and we continue to go up in the nbc poll i think we went from 26 to 29. we're going up very strongly in the polls. they don't know what to do about it. i've built a great company. you'll see that on "60 minutes"

last night. a phenomenal company with very little debt, tremendous cash flow. i'm funding my own campaign. guys like rubio, he desperately needs money. ask the car dealer in florida. ask the people that support him. and a guy like rubio -- and others. i don't want to single him out. you're singling him out. but they're largely controlled by their donors, the special interests, and frankly, more than anybody else, lobbyists. i've turned down millions and millions of dollars from lobbyists and special interests because it's not the right thing. it's just not right. and that seems to be resonate i ing. thank you. thank you. [ applause ] [ inaudible question ] >> i negotiate. that's true. i do. i get bills from people and i

negotiate. is that a bad thing? the country should do that. i'd bring that same attitude to the white house. it's true. she said i have a habit, when you get a bill, you call up and you negotiate. to me that's a compliment. no, i want to take that thinking to the white house. i would bet you we could save 20% of our budget. i could even say more. that has to be the attitude our country has. you can't spend millions and millions of dollars on doing something that you can do for $2,000. you know, when you look at costs. we just spent $1 million building a soccer field. okay? a soccer field. for our prisoners that happen to be in guantanamo. okay? i don't like that. what do you need $1 million for? level out the surface. let them play. if they have to play at all. okay? what do you need to spend $1 million? we just -- it's a story today. $1 million on a soccer field?

how do you spend $1 million on a soccer field? you have a level piece of land. throw them a ball, let them play soccer if they have to play at all. why are they playing soccer is my question. yes, sir, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> no, it's too long. you don't have time. you don't have time. all right, go ahead. why don't you go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> right. no, not at all. we're lowering taxes, which the republicans love. and i think one of the reasons i am doing so well in the polls, and one of the reasons i'm doing so well when it comes to the economy, in all polls, is that this is the thinking. no, we're lowering taxes very substantially. we're simplifying, and we're getting rid of deductions that are actually obsolete, that certain people want to keep for

certain reasons. no, that's not true. yes, sir, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> well, putin was interviewed and i was interviewed last night. i thought his interview -- i thought charlie rose did an excellent job, but i thought his was a softer interview. scott pelley interviewed me. i thought scott was terrific. it was a tough interview but i thought he was very fair and i thought the piece was very good. yeah, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> why is he harder on me than putin? i would say because putin is a nicer person than i am. okay, go ahead. [ inaudible question ]

>> the worst in 36 years. okay. well, it's a good question. and you can connect the dots. but i guess it has been probably since '04. you are talking about 10, 11, 12 years that people have wanted to bring the money back into the country. and again, it's called corporate inversion. a lot of times the corporations are moving out and they're going tother countries taking jobs. now we have a really big problem, because we have serious companies, very large, very prestigious companies, as you know -- obviously you know something about business. but we have major companies looking to move out of the united states. you know, it used to be that they'd move from new york to florida, they'd move from new jersey to texas or whatever. now they're talking about moving from the united states to ireland and to england and to other places, to spain, where they get treated differently. and, frankly, better. and they're doing that for a number of reasons. but one of the big reasons as

you know is taxes. one of the other reasons is to get all of this cash that they've built up and they can't get back into our country. when this money comes back into our country that everybody wants, it is going to be put to work in our country -- largely. it can go other places, but largely. and i think it will be an ama amazing boon. now here's the other thing. they think it is $2.5 trillion. i think it's much more than that. i actually think it's going to be more money than that. and, boy, if it is, we have hit pay dirt. go ahead, real fast. [ inaudible question ] >> belwell, when you get the mo coming back in beyond tremendous things happen. . in the inaudible question ] >> i'll be announcing that in the not too distant future.

i'm the only one that's honest about this thing. i watched romney and all -- i pay so much tax, i pay so much tax. i watch all politicians and they say i pay. i fight like hell to pay as little as possible. can i say that? i'm not a politician. i fight like hell -- always. because it's an expense. and you know, i feel -- and i fight, i have the best lawyers, and the best accountants and i fight, and i pay. but it is an expense. frankly, i would feel differently in this country were spending the money wisely instead of throwing it out the drain. our country spends our money so stupidly. and i will tell you that i can speak for myself. i pay a lot of tax. but i fight like hell to make it as low as possible. but, i would feel a lot differently if our leadership was such that i respected the decisions. all you have to do is look at a list of the things that our government is spending money on

right now. and you don't feel so good about our country. yes. [ inaudible question ] >> well, i tell you what. in terms of income inequality, we're going to create a lot of jobs. you know, right now we have a false 5.4%, 5.3%, 5.6%, every month it is different. it is such a phony number. because when people look and look and look and then they give up looking for a job, they're taking off the rolls so the number isn't reflective. i've seen numbers of 24%. i actually saw a number of 42% unemployment. 42%. and it could be. because when you're looking for a job and you go around and you look and you look and you fight and you want to work and you want to take care of your family, and then you can't get the job and you know what i'm talking about, because you are shaking your head. and you can't get the job.

essentially for statistical purposes, you are considered employed. so then i read every time it comes out, i hear, 5.3% unemployment. that is the biggest joke there is in this country. that number is so false. you know, people ask, how come trump is doing so well? and carson and others. how come they're doing -- you know why they're doing well? because people are tired of political speak. they're tired of that. and the worst example of it -- one of the worst examples of it is the phony unemployment rate. the unemployment rate is probably 20%. but i will tell you, you have some great economists that will tell you it's 30%, 32%. and the highest i've heard so far is 42%. there's anger out there at the job picture. now, one other thing. with that being said, china, japan, mexico, brazil, these

countries are all taking our jobs. like we're a bunch of babies. that will stop. people will treat us fairly. if i become president. we are losing our jobs. we're losing our base. we're losing our manufacturing. all of that will stop. [ inaudible question ] >> number one, simplification. number two, what i'm really doing is the big picture because corporations now are going to start having an incentive to create jobs. they're going to have an incentive also to stay in this country. they're -- well with be if they provide bigger dividends, people are going to have more money to spend. so that's not so bad either. if a corporation gives out a bigger dividend, that's great. mr. jones gets a bigger dividend, he's going to have more money to spend in the economy. so that's good. yes, ma'am. [ inaudible question ] >> should chris christie what?

i know nothing about that. [ inaudible question ] >> no, i'm not a populist. no, i'm not. i'm a man of great common sense. i'm a man that's built a tremendous company with the best locations in real estate, the best everything. you're here at one of them. i have many of these. i've done a great job, i've employed tens of thousands of people. i employ now thousands and thousands of people. i've done a good job. but i wouldn't say populist at all. i would say i'm a man of common sense. i'm cutting taxes. i'm going to create a lot of jobs. i'm going to get rid of a tremendous amount of waste. i'll tell you what. the waste that i get rid of, the waste that i get rid of is going to have a huge impact and i'm not even putting that in my numbers. so i think it is going to be

terrific. how about one more question? go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> yes. the motor industry. that's a beautiful way of describing it. the motor industry. where are you from? england. what a beautiful accent. no, i want to get the industry -- we call it the automobile industry -- but i want to get the automobile industry to build factories here. as you know, ford is building a $2.5 billion factory in mexico. mexico also took a big plant out of tennessee and tennessee thought they were going to get it and they didn't. i want the motor companies, as you would say, or the automobile companies to build their plants in the united states. i don't want nabisco leaving for mexico or any place else. i want these companies not to leave chicago, not to leave michigan, not to leave new hampshire, and iowa and south carolina and all of these places where they're leaving and

they're going to other countries. i want them to stay here and they will stay here and they'll be so happy. ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. it's been a great honor. thank you. thank you. thank you. >> listening to donald trump unveil his tax plan saying there that he is not a populist but a man of common sense. anticipating perhaps some pushback from conservative republicans. joining me, former national committee chair michael steele from washington. steve kornacki and chuck todd, you sent out a tweet that said this is a plan president obama would have approved of it in a lot of ways. >> the numbers and the rates, but when you sort of -- if this were the starting place that the republican congress would have come through, this is sort of the philosophy behind where the obama white house would have worked on tax reform which is,

yeah, close these loopholes here, still keep a progressive tax code in it. it is -- look. you can say this with trump. it is arguably, if you're looking to reform the tax code and believe that your only shot is to do is semi-incrementally, this actually is a very realistic starting point. now, look. we have to see if his numbers add up. he obviously believes they do. there is a lot of tax research analysts that will go through this the next couple of days. it could very well be that some of this stuff doesn't fully add up. but it is going to get the ire of some conservatives who have have been trying to make the argument this guy is not a real conservative and here's more proof. >> it is also potentially a way to tick up those numbers. you knows now our poll despite what he said live, ben carson just one point away. whether you are middle class republican, middle class democrat or independent, this pulse poll going on right now, the idea of a more simplified tax code is certainly one that people --

>> people have always wanted simplified tax code. i think what's interesting is that both parties now at least in their rhetoric are coming out in favor of, you know what? if we're going to lower taxes on a vast majority of people, then you're going to have to basically raise taxes on the rich. this does -- closing a loophole here and there and getting rid of a deduction. by the way, they don't call it a tax hike but as far as the tax bill is concerned, it is. jeb bush included one on -- my point is you see the rank and file of the republican party has always been much more comfortable with raising taxes on the wealthy than the chamber of commerce. >> this comes just after your interview with jamie dimon who was on saying he would rather pay more in taxes. >> well, if he can trust washington. >> if he can trust washington to take care of the money. >> he's certainly open to it if he thought you could trust washington. >> michael steele, from the republican side, donald trump in

the interview with "60 minutes" already said that he's pretty confident that republicans will support him despite the threat that often comes when you hear of someone wanting to raise taxes. >> i think you're right. i think chuck put his finger on it with his last comment there about the rank and file republicans versus the chamber or wall street republicans who have a very decidedly different view on it. i think for rank and file republicans, a lot of them will look at this and go be with okay, it is a good starting point because there is a little bit of flat tax, it is a little bit of some of other tax policies and ideas that have been floating around over the last four, five or so years. so i think donald trump is sort of tapping into that vein. look, as our polls are showing, and stuff that chuck has put out there a lot, there's a ceiling for donald trump and he's reached it. and now he's got to get beyond that ceiling. it is no accident that the polls that have come out now showing that gap between him and carson having shrunk.

same with fiorina. he now has to break through that ceiling to get them to chase him some more. this is one way i think he can do it fairly effectively. >> he did give specifics but he did not when it came to loopholes. when i think if we've watched his campaign closely and we all have is the headline that he wants which is what he has at the top of his tax plan. tax reform that will make america great again. that's all he wants out of this. >> that's all he wants out of it but he's going to get a little more. but what's going to happen, it is going to create some energy around it. >> steve, you're a naum bers um. in the short term, donald trump likes his headlines. look at what he actually presented with the help of what he referred to as perts. he didn't name any but he says the experts that he's pulled in. all americans would get a simpler tax code. for people who make less than $25,000 or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you would not owe income tax. he says that removes nearly 75 million households.

over 50% from the tax rolls. >> interesting. couple things in there chuck and michael are talking about that maybe we aren't accustomed to hearing national republican leaders say when it comes to taxes. remember back in 2012 during the campaign one of the big refrains you heard from republicans was the idea that under president obama more americans than ever were not paying any federal income tax. this was a bad thing and there were candidates out there -- i remember michele bachmann making this point in debates throughout 2012 saying i don't care if it is $5, $10, $25, everybody needs to be paying some kind of a federal tax. we're trump basically saying we're going to expand the number of people who aren't paying any kind of federal income tax. i do think this is something that's sourt of untested in national republican politics as well. gallup asks this question -- do you think wealthy americans are paying too much, too little or a fair amount of taxes. overwhelmingly the number among all americans is they aren't paying enough. when you break that down among

republicans though, that number's typically been somewhere in the mid 40s. they might prospectively agree with a lot of what donald trump said today with the slight exception of jeb bush on the issue of carried interest, no other republican candidate is saying anything at all right now. >> what we know in this mad as hell culture that's helped donald trump make it the summer of trump and perhaps even part of the fall is the notion that you have been on the short end of the stick and here i am this rich guy in this gilded tower and i still have the common touch. he said in his line there that no business of any size from fortune 500 to the mom and pop -- very selective language there -- mom and pop shop to a freelancer, as he put it, living gig to gig will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. >> look. he is clearly trying to be a populist. he says he's not but he is

clearly trying to appeal to that. i think back to four years ago and remember the big tax plan that sort of drove -- forced mitt romney to come out with a new tax plan was herman cain and the infamous 999. it made romney have to find a way to find basically a "flatter" tax. whether trump ends up the nominee or not he could end up influencing the debate. this could -- if it pushes -- we already have jeb bush sort of agreeing on carried interest. if others say, okay, there is enough support in the party that -- all of a sudden do it make tax reform a more doable thing in '17 just because you've laid a different ground work during the campaign. by the way, we won't see tax reform done until there is a new president. >> he will say he influenced the tax debate conversation or expedited it. thank you, gentlemen. greatly appreciate you all joining me. chuck todd's new show "mtp

daily" premiers today, 5:00 p.m. eastern time, only on msnbc. you'll have more of interview with hillary clinton and excerpts that you did not see on "meet the press" this sunday. whole separate interview. >> we do a whole bunch of policy issues starting with she has some tough words on syria. as did the president did in his u.n. speech. coming up, we'll go live to the u.n. where president obama just wrapped up that address to the general assembly. it is setting the stage for this big meeting with russian president vladimir putin. we'll compare the language we heard from the president in a speech within this past hour to what may happen behind closed doors with putin. also breaking right now -- nasa is holding finally this news conference we've all been waiting for this morning. they promised to reveal the answer to a major mystery on mars. it set off a firestorm on twitter. well, now we have the answer to the question. could water be flowing on the red planet and what it means for exploration. we'll have the very latest on the news conference coming up this hour. join the conversation

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this isn't a competition! developing now, president obama wrapped up his address to the u.n. general assembly the top of the hour during which he implore other nations to do more in the fight against isis and the conflict in syria. >> nowhere is our commitment to international order more tested than in syria. likewise, when a terrorist group beheads captives, slaughters the innocent and enslaves women, that's not a single nation's national security problem. that is an assault on all our humanity. i have said before, and i will repeat -- there's no room for accommodating an apocalyptic cult like isil. the united states is prepared to work with any nation, including russia and iran, to resolve the conflict. catastrophes like we are seeing

in syria do not take place in countries where there is genuine democracy and the respect for the universal values this institution is supposed to defend. >> the president also discussed the renewed diplomatic relations with cuba, pushed for more action on climate change and toutedu new new blsh nthere is already some controversy. both sides disagree on who initially asked for meeting and the premise of the middle eaeet. white house said the focus was ukraine where russia said syria and the focus on isis. last night putin discussed his relationship with president obama. >> translator: i think we listen to each other in a way, especially when it comes to something that doesn't go counter to our own ideas about what we should and should not do. >> do you think he considers

russia -- yhe said russia's nota super power -- he considered russia an equal and you an equal which is the way you want to be treated? >> translator: well, you ask him. he's your president. how could i know what he thinks? >> well, before meeting with president obama, putin will address the u.n. for the first time in a decade. ron allen joins me now from the u.n. it is interesting stage set. you have the remarks from the president. president obama saying that the world cannot stand by while russia violates ukraine's integrity and sovereignty but in the same speech also saying he can work with any leader to put an end to what he called the apocalyptic cult of isis. >> reporter: yes, tamron. a lot of territory covered by the president. but you're right, vladimir putin is about to speak to the u.n. for the first time in ten years in a couple of hours or so.

there are a couple of speakers before him. it will be interesting to see how he responds to what president obama said. president obama was very critical of the russians on ukraine, on the invasion of crimea and also in terms of supporting bashar al assad, president of syria. that was the other big issue that the president tackled saying that there was essentially no room for a dictator even though he said he was willing to work with other nations in dealing with syria. he made it clear that assad has to go while vladimir putin has said that he supports the syrian president and that any solution should involve him. so those are the main points of contention -- some of the main points of contention because as you pointed out, president obama and president putin of russia don't seem to agree on much of anything. they have a very frigid relationship. they have not met in a couple of years. there is a lot of debate about who initiated this meeting. neither side willing to show weakness. it will be interesting to see what happens when this he meet after the russian president speaks later, then they meet

face to face around 5:00 this evening. a much anticipated meeting. of course they aren't going to solve all the world's problems then, but the question will be whether they have something positive that comes out of that, so that there is some hope that these other crises, these issues like syria, isis, where there is some common ground between the united states and russia, whether there is any hope mochg forward on those issues. the other thing to discuss is the migrant crisis, an outgrowth of the syrian problems, refugees flooding into europe in the hundreds of thousands during the past few weeks and months. that's come bursting on world's agenda. lot of drama here at the u.n. again, president putin should speak in an hour or so, we hope. >> thank you, very much. great anticipation regarding this meeting between putin and president obama coming up after his remarks. thank you so much, ron. breaking news to report.

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we are back with a major breaking announcement. a major announcement from nasa about mars. msnbc's brian williams is standing by, monitoring this news conference that has been a buzz all morning long. >> good day, tamron. here we are talking about real world things, like the united nations, like the trump campaign for presidency, and suddenly, this other worldly news comes into our world. i've been listening to this nasa briefing, and i wrote down this quote. nasa scientists just said, under certain circumstances, liquid water has been found on mars.

we have several people standing by to decipher this. tell us what this means. and what this could mean regarding the future of our exploration of mars. let's go first to derrick, chief astronomer of the franklin institute. derre derreck, put this in perspective for those of us laymen and women who don't have the advanced degrees you have. >> it's not that difficult. it's a benchmark discovery for nasa. it's been suspected that there has been or is currently water flowing on mars. we've not been able to actually capture it in images. for the first time, nasa has what they think is really the smoking gun, if you will, as evidence that there is liquid water presently on mars and flowing. they've seen evidence of this in streaks down slopes over time,

indicating that water as a liquid has plflowed out on to t surface. this is a major step forward, because the supposition has always been that we think, perhaps, for sure, there's some water, but now there's hard evidence that there is water there. >> explain and remind our audience, especially the folks with a few years on them, who remember the moon missions, how much different -- let's say we had a national consensus that, well, water equals life. we've got to go explore the neighbors. how much tougher, how much different a proposition is it to launch a manned mission to mars? >> there are really two aspects to a mars mission that can make it really challenging, brian. the first one is distance. mars is so much farther away than the moon is. it only took us a couple of days

to get to the moon, then we could spend whatever time there we wanted. take a few days to come back to earth. it's right next door. mars is so much farther away. a journey to mars, at the shortest time possible to get there, would be six months. then we have to spend -- if we wanted to spend a significant period of time on the surface exploring, we'd have to wait until the two planets come back into alignment. so we're talking about a mission that's several years long. because its so far away, the supplies that are necessary for us to be able to exist on mars, we'd have to take them all with us. that's for a multiple-year mission, or send the supplies there ahead of time and hope it operates by the time our astronauts get there. then whatever challenges happen to the astronauts there, they have to be able to solve the problems on their own because it's so far away. the reward of being able to identify a microbe or any evidence that life ever existed on mars would certainly be the

s superlative discovery of human existen existence. >> thank you so much. we always turn to you to explain things like that, and you have done it once again. again, the headline at this hour, the quote from nasa, under certain circumstances, liquid water has been found on mars. that is the news among the stories we're following at this hour. tamron hall, back to you. >> thank you very much, brian. that does it for this hour. i'm tamron hall. our coverage continues with andrea mitchell. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.

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world gathering of the u.n. moves on both syria and ukraine. >> russia, state-controlled media may describe these events as an example of a resurgent russia. a view shared, by the way, by a number of u.s. politicians and commentators who have always been deeply skeptical of russia and are convinced a new cold war is upon us. >> power play. putin tries to sideline the u.s. in syria but says he has nothing against president obama. >> translator: i think we listen to each other in a way, especially when it comes to something that doesn't go counter to our own ideas about what we should and should not do. >> and hillary clinton acknowledges for the first time on "meet the press" to chuck todd that the e-mail scandal isn't going away. >> there's only so much i can control, but what i have tried to do in explaining this is to

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