live on this monday. i'm craig melvin. "hardball" starts right now. will joe biden challenge hillary clinton? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. can there be a bigger question for the democrats right now? what will it do to the democrat chances if vice president biden jumps into the race soon? will it split the moderate vote and give senator bernie sand arias real chance to win? will it switch attention to the big questions of competence and policy and away of the e-mail. will it forge hillary clinton's team into a fighting stance? a biden campaign, a real one would turn the tables on the status quo and bring alive a political party that's been drilled on its left but dormant at the center.

it could make the fight on the democratic side as exciting as the king of the hill wildness among the tame republicans. it could bring "hardball" to the progressive arena when bill clinton is charging back into the action. hillary versus biden, you can forget. david corn is washington bureau chief. eugene robinson is a pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post." gene, are we looking at an entry by joe biden in the near future? >> our reporters, my reporters are very much on alert because there are certain drop-dead dates that are approaching. the debate on cnn october 13th. we heard from his staff -- >> two weeks from now. >> two weeks from now. we heard october 1st was floated. we reported that. we heard he might wait until after the debate.

in that window though, next week looks really like a prime target moment because it would be past all the business of with the pope of this week. past all this. got a nice clean week and the debate following it. >> david corn, you are not a fellow religionist, i'm thinking joe biden made a point seeing the pope off last night that. was an opportunity you can't beat among a lot of people watching our coverage. a great chance to get in on the action on the scmaltz level where he is good. >> he's been out there on labor day and other events over the last couple of month or two after coming out of this grieving period. >> seizing every opportunity. >> the thing about biden which makes him a particular threat to hillary clinton, when he's out there, he looks like he's having fun. he looks engaged.

he is excited and enthusiastic. sometimes it leads to gaffes, but he does like to be out there pressing the flesh and being what he thinks is a real guy, real politician. until there is a decision, there is no decision. he can see it going either way. the people around biden, the staffers and money people and advisors, they want him in. it's good for them. >> you are smiling why. are you smiling? what would stop him at this point? >> well, thinking he can't win. thinking that -- >> what is wrong with a college try? >> he made the college try before. he hasn't grabbed the brass ring. he hasn't been able to do it. i don't think he wants to go out, have the last act of his political career be another flameout. >> how about the last act being,

i let it go? hillary got into more trouble than i thought she would. there was an opening two or three weeks after i would have announced. i didn't announced. i kissed it good-bye even though my son told me to do it. >> that is a big part what he's got to consider, regrets. he didn't go for it. this time he is in much better shape than the last two times. if he doesn't go for it, he's got to live with that for the rest of his life. that's a really hard thing. >> do you know how many men won on their third and fourth try? reagan won on his third try. i'm talking about these guys normally many get the bug. it doesn't go away. they ultimately die trying. >> mow udall said the cure for the presidential fever is formaldehyde. once you get the presidential bug, people who are in a

position to run for president credibly usually do. mario cuomo, colin powell chose not to. >> why would he jump in now? >> i don't care about real politic for a second. hillary owned this until recently. only recently there are doubts. i still think she is the nominee. there are doubts out there the other part is i talked to biden. he's only working two doors from the president all day long the last seven years. whenever the president wants him, he's in there. he's that close. as close as hillary was, but he's there. i think once you ran twice and you're there for seven years, i can do this. i can sit in that chair. >> he's not a dan quayle. >> what our reporting is he wants to run because he thinks he would be the better president. >> i think he heard that. i don't think he is a big fan of the clintons.

our new nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows bernie sanders gaining on hillary clinton. leads sanders by seven now 42-35. that's with joe biden taking 17%. it's very close. translate that to the electoral college, that is not good for hillary clinton. without the vice president in the contest, clinton's lead over sanders grows to 15 points. 53-38. that is of course down from her 34-point lead over sanders back in july and 60-point lead in june. she was much better off three, four months ago when he might have made the decision to go in. two, the hard one is that he takes away from her synergy. he doesn't take away from bernie's left. >> exactly. you have two candidates of the center in there. >> hillary calls herself a centrist. >> if you're bernie, are you rooting, come on in? >> i talked to people bernie

strategists. they want biden in. bernie's campaign is not a media campaign. it's not a stealth campaign but biden and hillary are punching over there, they are happy to go with the same game plan they had up to date. >> if all thee go into this jamboree and bernie wins iowa, which he could, wins new hampshire and somebody knocks him off in south carolina. >> biden is looking at south carolina as a loss. >> that's his win. >> hillary has to win new hampshire. that's where she's got to win one of them. >> or else what? play this out. >> play it out. bernie wins iowa, bernie wins new hampshire. joe loses -- wins in south carolina. she is a three-time loser going into super tuesday.

>> someone else comes in? >> no i think one of them picks up momentum. >> bernie wins nomination of the party? >> no. you have biden in there, too. the other problem is not just breaking up middle or center. he takes minorities from her. that's where she is really got it over bernie. >> looks like a big tease from our competitor cnn. announced today they will hold a spot for joe biden should he announce a campaign for president right up until the very day of october 13th. this is show business. >> it is. you've got it, you milk it. >> he might get up? >> please not three hours of it. >> the ratings will go up by double fold if biden gets in. >> here is bill clinton adding this weekend on the e-mail

fight. ignore the topic. the interesting thing here -- you should ignore e-mail, the fact big bill is coming in. is that good or bad? does she need him or is he a calvary to the rescue? >> the other party doesn't want to run against her. if they do, they would like her mangled up as possible. and they know that if they leak things and say things that ises catnip to the people who get bored talking about what's your position on student loan relief or dealing with the shortage of mental health care or what to do with the epidemic of prescription drugs and heroin out in america. you can't complain. this is not -- this is a contact sport. they are not giving the job away. >> here is secretary clinton warming to her husband's remarks. >> first of all, i love my husband.

he does get upset when i am attacked. i totally get that. we also get the fact, look, this is a contest. it's fair game for people to raise whatever they choose to raise. as he said in that same interview. they are not giving this job away. you have to get out there and earn it. that's what i'm trying to do. >> tag team. he says it's not fair and she says i can take it. >> he is one of the biggest assets in her campaign. >> first woman for president neegd t needing the husband. nixon didn't want help. >> everybody knows he's there. it's almost like the last time she didn't want to admit she was a woman. and her what is would be a historic win. >> now she is admitting she's his wife. >> yeah. we are past let's pretend it wouldn't be historic. >> they can do these tag team

things. he can say it's unfair, all b.s. and she can say i can handle it. >> he can do the complaining for his spouse, but i think he is more effective when he actually glitz out on the campaign trail. coming on the shows is good. when he gets out there, that would be a value. >> they would get away from the termite bites on this stupid e-mail thing that is never going away. these personality debates, policy debates away from the side show. thank you, jean. >> i just don't get time. >> is he going to run next week? >> before it gets to the opinion page, it's a good newspaper. david corn, thank you, buddy. >> president obama meets vladimir putin the first time in a couple of years. does the president want putin to

be the calvary? putin has a plan to kill isis. we don't have one. maybe he does. i think he has a theory. >> plus john boehner's resignation as house speaker. the move of getting himself rid of may have had the opposite effect that makes them hung rer for more political deaths. >> here is a big question about the trip pope francis made to america. will it help cool off the heat level in our politics? all the talk of brotherly love and sisterly love in philly tamp down the anger? >> looking at trump's tax proposal. caveat emptor, let the buyer beware.

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turn created the environment for the current strife. compromise will be required to end the fighting and stamp out isis. it requires a managed transition away from assad to a new leader. >> here comes russian president vladimir putin when he sent tanks and war planes to syria and blind-sided the u.s. announcing announcing an alliance with iran. >> translator: it is an enormous mistake to refuse to cooperate with the syrian government and its armed forces. fighting terrorism face-to-face. on the basis of international law, we must join efforts to address the problems that awful us are facing and create a

generally broad international coalition against terrorism. similar to the anti-hitler coalition to unite a broad range of forces that resolutely resist those like the nazis, so evil and hatred of human kind. >> president obama and putin met this evening. the they talked for 90 minutes. my question when it comes to our fight against isis which is the american's people primary security concern right now is the calgary from moscow. howard, this is strange. vladimir putin is quick on his feet in this regard. he sees a natural alliance among

the shia countries, iran, the country that's become shia-run thanks to us, baghdad and damascus. the historic relationship between the russians and regime of the assads going back many generations. that is a natural coalition to fight isis. we don't have such a natural coalition. we don't have a force in the field to beat them. is he offering us something we don't have which is a credible way to defeat isis? >> almost out of benign neglect and through no shrewd maneuvering of his own, the president may have a policy here. we've been dealing with putin. we've been dealing with him on iran. he's been our silent help mate for a few years, ukraine not withstanding. it makes sense for putin to move in and tell the united nations that he will be the leader of the new anti-hitler coalition. >> like in world war ii. a bad guy like stalin was on our side. >> that's right. you had stalin and franklin roosevelt making common cause.

fascinating move by putin and one the united states might not be able to refuse. >> i thought the cold war was a battle between east and west and what was going to change was a pivot from east/west controversy to north/south. we would be the natural allies against the russian and islamic people that could cause trouble for them. is it in our common interest to fight isis? >> certainly in our common interest to fight isis. the question is who is our ally here? is mr. putin able to bring something to bear we can't put together ourselves? if the answer is yes, we should take advantage of it. we've been talking with the iranians and the russians have been useful in that regard. there is no reason why we shouldn't be talking to them. however, mr. putin doesn't bring that much to the table. what he brings is a record of lying to us. >> what about bringing assad to our side, choosing sides like we

did in world war ii. we don't like assad, but we need to get rid of isis. is the president likely to do that? >> the president is coming to accept the reality that if assad leaves too quickly, you have chaos and every likelihood the worst people in syria will take over. the problem with what's just happened is that putin's embrace of assad and iran is almost a guarantee that isis will keep fighting. if you wanted to give the extremists a reason to fight to the last -- >> because they are sunnis? >> because they are sunnis and they hate the russians, they hate the persians, the iranians. this has a sectarian quality. the addition of russian power will make the jihadists all the more angry. is the u.s. going to embrace that? it's hard for me to imagine. the only way this is a good thing, i think, is if putin sees that now that he's in it, the only way to get something out of

it is to go the diplomatic path. to use his leverage to bring people around the table and get the managed transition the president deliberately talked about. >> i'm not the expert like you are. it never made sense to me when hillary clinton as secretary of the state and the wouldn't say to assad leave. where was he going to go to? if they could get out of the country alive without being killed before they get to the airport, was to go to russia. who else would accept him? if we say leave, leave to where? simple question except to assad. he cares. >> he would go to russia. the russians see mr. assad is on the way out. he's on the decline. >> they accepted that. >> they have seen that. thus, i think what mr. putin is trying to do is bolster him. he sends his troops in there. >> could there be something good

coming out of this? american people don't like isis because they behead us. assad is a pain in the ass, sorry, pain in the butt ba'athist. >> the other card in the deck is iran. the russians have an interest having iran involved in this, as well. that's part of their team they want to continue to make players on the global stage. rohani said we are back, it's a new iran, it's a new day. they are part of the peace-make effort which will make it more difficult for the united states to lean on iran. iran is back, as well. it's not just putin. >> what does israel want? >> israel wants peace on its borders. would like to see the stronger arab states destroy themselves. >> are they more concerned about

assad or isis? >> israelis have been smart along their border, providing medical care for fighters, i don't know about isis but the al qaeda affiliate. they've bin very clever keeping this -- >> netanyahu was in moscow the other week. my sense is netanyahu and the israelis are going to stand back and hope a deal is done. they don't mind the russians being involved. they might like it. they don't trust obama either. >> a lot of politics here. david, thank you. ambassador william taylor, thank you. and howard fineman. pope francis leaves the united states after inspiring millions. a look back to his historic visit to america. what hit me when i was covering this thing. this is "hardball," the place for politics. i take prilosec otc each morning

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this prolonged leadership turmoil would do irreparable harm to the institution. so this morning i informed my colleagues that i would resign from the speakership and resign from congress at the end of october. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." that is john boehner announcing this friday that his time as speaker is up. he will be resigning from congress all together giving up his seat, as well in october. his exit comes amid a conservative revolt and growing discontent among the party's base at home. 72% of republican primary voters said they were dissatisfied with the leadership of john boehner as well as mitch mcconnell. in an interview with "face the nation" yesterday, john boehner warned with the factionism of his party which made it increasingly difficult to govern. >> are they unrealistic what can be done in government?

>> absolutely they are unrealistic. the bible says beware of false prophets. and there are people out there, you know, spread iing noise abo how much can get done. i mean this whole idea we are going to shut down the government to get rid of obamacare in 2013, that plain never had a chance. we've got groups in town, members of the house and senate here in town who whip people into a frenzy believing they can accomplish things that they know, they know are never going to happen. >> they know. for a party that's increasingly unwilling to compromise, well the prompter is not compromising either. we've got our round table. i think you are a moderate republican. tell me this, michelle.

is this a pound of flesh and they are happy now? are they going to keep biting and digging to knock over kevin mccarthy? will he immediately be pounded? will mitch mcconnell face a challenge? is this the end or beginning of the attacks? >> this is the beginning of the attacks. the beginning and end. here is what i foresee happening. anyone who gets the job, the farthest right faction of the republican party is going to continue to go after that person because as soon as you become speaker, you become the establishment. what i think is dangerous for them, all of these gop-ers running around saying we've won, we got rid of boehner. boehner going on "face the nation" or "meet the press" talking about the fact his soon-to-be former colleagues know they are promising their electorate something they can't deliver is dangerous. >> there is a theory among the democrats. they believe the republican right does not want to govern. it wants to disrupt only. let's take a look at this to make that point.

conservatives are taking a victory lap over boehner's resignation. when marco rubio told the crowd the news on friday -- catch this. >> a few minutes ago speaker boehner announced he will be resigning. >> senator rubio did not whip them into a frenzy. they were in a frenzy. that was spontaneous. here is how donald trump reacted to the news of boehner quitting. >> it's wonderful, frankly. it's good. it's time. it's time. i don't think he is conservative enough. i think it's time. somebody else will come in and have a tougher attitude. >> did he not fight for conservative principles? >> not enough. >> after calling for a

conservative replacement for boehner, ted cruz criticized for capitulating to president obama. >> absolutely nothing would have been better than what the republican majority has done. republican leadership took the lead in funding obamacare, in funding president obama's unconstitutional executive amnesty, funding planned parenthood. i led the fight against each and was vilified by democrats and republican leadership. >> what is he talking about? he says the republicans basically funded obamacare. the republicans funded -- he makes it sound like they did everything. republicans opposed obama down the line. >> boehner referred to unrealistic comments not based in truth and false prophets, there you had it right there. >> absolutely. >> republicans fought as hard as they could to stop obamacare and voted against it. unless they defund the

government and shut it down forever, these guys do not want to govern. they don't want to govern as long as obama is in office. >> on "face the nation" john boehner was asked about senator cruz' behavior there. >> is ted cruz a false prophet? >> you pick a lot of names out, i'll let you choose them. >> you don't debate that assertion? >> i'll refer to you my remark at a fund-raiser i made in august in steamboat springs, colorado. >> let me ask you about -- by the way, you called ted, i believe the word you used was jackass. >> that was pretty good. i have heard him at a certain catholic event with the cardinal years ago, he spoke about these characters in a way i cannot use the language there on television. he did not like that crowd. they ruined the government. they are trying to ruin it permanently. >> yeah. he didn't like that crowd. i suppose one feels sympathy for

him for the position he was in. i don't feel that much sympathy for him. there are things he could have done. he could have stood up to that crowd more. >> wrote the hastert rule. >> particularly on immigration. you've been talking about immigration on the air the past few days. >> why does he bring that bill up? >> it's too late because it expired. it's a new session of congress. it could have passed. the speaker could bring anything to the floor any time he wants. he could have brought it to the floor and it would have passed with 180 democratic votes and 30 or 40 republican votes. at least then, he would have lost his job but have something to show for it. >> the senate right if it held its ground would have passed the immigration bill with a compromise in it. you can't work here legally once you work illegally. >> his base wants no compromise. that's yes is leaving. wouldn't should down the government, all this business with planned parenthood. they don't want to govern. they want the government shut

down. >> i believe every time they shut down the government, there's been frictions and stoppages, but that wasn't an attempt to kill the government. i believe the stopping of the government now is a way to constantly weaken it. to weaken the government itself. to bring it down. you know what i mean? it shows you have contempt for the government. >> i think they have contempt for obamacare and president obama and planned parenthood. >> what do they mean when they hold the government hostage? >> they want to hold it hostage they don't support. >> what about the endgame? >> obama is not going to sign the repeal of the obamacare. >> they believe the electorate -- >> democrats are the party of government. when people see government failing, it hurts. >> when government fails, the people fail. that is not the democracy we stand for. >> most of these public missions.

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he obviously sees a lot rubio is doing that is the sleeper here. the one that could win the whole game. >> he is killing him now. rubio has the same problem bush does. the amnesty problem. rubio was the author of the immigration bill. bush was a support are of it. the car dealer who funds rubio's life. >> i thought he was back on his payments. >> this personal aspect of him. the crassness of the guy. it works so far. it worked for a while for chris christ christie. then it didn't work. >> all this coming on the truck -- on the truck -- on the heels of pope francis being here and the country is enlightened. trying to be moral and do the right thing. the very next thing we hear out

of donald trump's mouth is an attack on rubio. i think it's going to be a problem for him. >> marco rubio is trying to chop down trump from the top -- here is going after him directly calling him out as we say. here he is. >> you have this clown marco rubio. i've been so nice to him. i've been so nice. i've been so nice. and then -- no. but he's in favor of immigration and he has been. he has been. >> well, he got? resistance there, michael. >> yeah. >> it's not stopping him. >> no, no. it's not going to stop him of course. but he misfired on that one. and when you're going to talk like that about other people, it has to resonate. it has to reflect something. it has to reflect something that people feel is true. like when he he said that jeb bush was low energy, nobody could deny, that right? that hit home because that -- anybody with two eyes could watch and see yeah, low energy. >> is it just a question to see who he's going tourn on next. you can enjoy if you're really

sadistic, somebody beating somebody else up rhetorically because you're not a big fan of that person. but certainly when you turn on somebody they care about like that audience does care about rubio because they in the end know he's the next generation and he's a good shot at being the sleeper here. >> and he's got a good story. there are things about rubio that anybody on the right or the left can like. i think carly fiorina is going to find herself next. if she and rubio are tied for third, donald trump goes after her next, and it doesn't matter that she's a female that he's up against. he will just find something hopefully -- >> he did her a favor in a weird sick way by going after her appearance, and that got her into the game again and certainly since then she's been a charger. let's take a look at rubio going back here. >> i'm not interested in the back and forth to be a member or a part of his freak show. i would just say this. he is a very sensitive person. he doesn't like to be criticized. he responds to criticism very poorly. >> and he takes shots at everybody that gets anywhere close to him or -- in terms of a poll or any time he hits a rough spot that's what he does. he had a really bad debate performance last week. he's not well informed on the

issues. he really never talks about issues and can't have more than a ten-second sound bite on any key issue. >> timing is everything, perry, and i want you to respond. is this the time as trump begins to crest, maybe even fade, the time to take him on for a young guy like -- >> i think it really is. bush looked weak by not taking on trump really sharply, and rubio said -- >> when he went after his wife he wouldn't do it. >> rubio said a lot of the right things. it's not that trump is crazy, it's that he's clueless, he can't talk about issues. >> is the timing right? >> timing is right. >> i think the timing was perfect, i just don't think he needs to harp on it for too long. hit him, hit him hard and keep going on. rubio knows foreign policy. rubio knows domestic policy and he doesn't have to stoop to saying things like you're a loser. >> rubio still looks young. he just looks younger than his years. >> now it's time to attack the big guy. the big ugly bear. >> sonny liston. >> last question. will the pope improve the mood of american politics? perry. >> mood of american politics cannot be improved, no. trump is leading in the polls.

>> michelle, do you have any hopes? >> i have hopes that the pope's presence here is going to lift our aspirations and make all of our governing people actually want to govern. >> marginally. makes it a little bit harder for a right-wing -- >> here's my argument that it will. i think the arguments he made, which is compassion, care about other people, we've been a country at our best that roots for the underdog. it just does. i saw some things out on the parkway in philadelphia the other day. first of all, all these people who left the city came back to the city for this. hispanic people are catholic. white people are catholic. all realize they're in the same religion together. the spanish language was raised, was elevated to such a stature in the last six or seven days, just raised up the stature of the language. here's the leading man in the world really speaking beautifully in the language of so many americans. i think it added stature. i think it added stature to our cities. it brought back the idea -- cities really matter in our culture. a place to get together, all the different ethnic groups. hey, want to get together? go to the city. they didn't meet in tanglewood

or westchester. they met in the three big cities. and it was great. and i was told to stop. anyway, thank you, michael tomasky. i think we need a little spiritual uplift around here. and michelle, i'm glad you agree with me. perry bacon. you're always so smart. when we return let me finish with a thought to those thinking of trump's tax proposal being a serious proposition. my answer -- let the buyer beware. you're watching "hardball," the lace for politics. real madrid have about 450 million fans. we're trying to give them all the feeling of being at the stadium. the microsoft cloud gives us the scalability to communicate exactly the content that people want to see. it will help people connect to their passion of living real madrid.

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tell people who is a credible candidate for president and who is not. the day of the journalistic gatekeeper, the estimable columnist who offers himself up as the great mentioner, is passed. with all the television and print and social media out there you've got an awful lot of information on these people. you don't need me or anyone else to guide your decision-making. my only but, and here it comes, is that you pay attention before someone tells you what they're going to do. first ask them what they tried selling you before. donald trump inaugurated himself into the presidential conversation with the claim that president obama was born overseas and has lied about being an american throughout his life. trump then claimed he will deport all 11 million people in this country illegally including, we must assume, the president. he intends to build a wall on the mexican border that no one, including again president obama, can get back across. if you find either of these proposals credible, well, you've got to think. do you? well, if so, for those still buying into his thinking, trump's thinking, he has another

policy set of nostrums to share beginning in the tax area today. did they add up? do you really expect them to? do you believe his solution regarding the 11 million people here illegally does? do you believe his claims regarding the president do? this is a question that any candidate for president, sure, they can promise, they can promise anything. but do their promises compute? does their pitch pass the smell test? we americans are pretty good at this. when we buy a car we ask about the terms, we ask the monthly cost, the total when all the payments are added up. we don't just go for the car. we want to know what the cost is. and if we've done business with this dealer before, this car dealer, we remember precisely what we got for our money. if anyone believes donald trump on president obama's birth, place of birth, if they believe that, if they believe that trump's talk of building a wall is real across the rio grande, that no human being can get over that wall, and have the mexican government pay for that, if you believe this, then you may swallow this tax plan whole. just don't expect the candidate to b.s. you to get your

interest, then tell you the truth when it comes to the kitchen table stuff. if it's the same dealer, it's going to be the same deal. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> this is my wheelhouse. that's what i do well. >> donald trump's plan to make america's tax system great again. [ applause ] >> thank you. that's amazing. that's -- some of the press was actually clapping. i never saw that. i don't think i've ever seen that. >> reporter: david kay johnson is here with a trump reality check. then as republican titans keep on falling, new reporting that jeb bush could be next. plus elizabeth warren raising eyebrows with a raising black lives matter speech. >> none of us can ignore what is happening in our country. >> and big interplanetary news. nasa announces liquid water on mars, and kayaktivists rejoice as shell announces it will stop drilng