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and clemency denied. a georgia woman convicted of plotting to kill her husband will be executed in about three hours from now, despite a plea from the pope himself to save her life. we begin this hour with that nasty fight that has dominated the day on capitol hill. for most of the day, planned parenthood president defended the organization over federal dollars it receives for women's health care. the hearing was contentious from the outset. here's one exchange. >> i'd say we are the most highly regulated organization probably in this country -- >> i would disagree with that. >> but we're very transparent about our numbers. >> i've got this for one of your affiliates. will you provide this same kind of documentation for all your affiliates to this committee? >> joining me now, nbc news capitol hill producer frank thorpe. so many fireworks today, was
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there any substantive agreement on any issues? >> well, this was an expected three tense hearing. i don't think there was any expectation that either side of going to come out with a shift in their mind-set in terms of this issue, but this is going to be the first of what we expect to be many hearings on the planned parenthood issue, after those videos were released. this hearing in particular was focusing more on the finances of planned parenthood and how they use that federal money that they get, mostly out of medicaid reimbursements. republicans argue, or they are concerned that some of that money may be going to some of the political practices of planned parenthood, and are questioning whether or not any of that money goes towards abortions. now, planned parenthood argues that that is not the case. it's been against the law for decades for planned parenthood to use any kind of federal funds for abortions. but planned parenthood was also not able to provide any actual numbers on how much money the organization uses on abortions. and that's been a big question.
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i spoke to the chairman of the oversight committee during a break and he said he wants to know what those numbers are. he doesn't understand why they weren't able to provide those. this hearing probably left a lot of questions unanswered, and we're expecting more hearings, especially now that the republican leadership has planned to have a select committee specifically to deal with this issue. >> and frank, there was a counterrally going on outside the capital. we saw that as well. let's take a listen to what nancy pelosi had to say there. >> they want to shut down the government to shut down planned parenthood. and what does that mean? it means they're so obsessed with depriving women of their respect that they deserve about their health, their families, their privacy. >> if feels like everybody thinks this is a political winner for them to get out in front of.
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>> reporter: i think both sides feel they can win on this one. in reality, in terms of funding for planned parenthood, it's not going to be going anywhere. republicans had tried to strip the funds from planned parenthood using the government funding bill. but republican leadership quickly realized there was no way they were going to pass that kind of bill out of congress, especially out of the senate. they would need 60 votes to do so. so their next step, after they pass a clean funding bill in the coming days, they're going to try a different kind of procedure called reconciliation where they'll need 50 votes, but that is likely going to end in the same result and the inability for them to actually strip federal funds from planned parenthood. >> bottom line, the government stays open through this. >> reporter: that's right. >> thanks so much. joining me now from washington, executive vice president of planned parenthood. thank you for being with us. good to see you. >> hi, kate. >> this was really, i don't know what to call it, a pretty brutal day for your boss.
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at times she almost looked like she was emotional, like she was teary. what do you make of what we saw play out this afternoon? >> well, kate, i was there in the room for much of the hearing until that press conference you just showed with nancy pelosi. and i'll say, what i saw was cecile richards bring to life the care and concerns and the quality care that 2.7 million people receive from planned parenthood each year, and i thought that even through five hours of frankly being interrupted and badgered by much of the majority that what they shows was they didn't understand women, women's health, or the government programs they oversee. >> i want to play a moment from the hearing where she was confronted with numbers about breast exams versus abortions. let's listen. >> we provide breast exams to, i can get you the numbers of how
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much hundreds of thousands of women receive breast exams at planned parenthood last year, has nothing to do with, again -- >> here the problem pch. >> you created this line, i have no idea whoa it is. >> it's the reduction over the course of years in pink, that's the reduction in the breast exams and the red is the increase in the abortion. that's what's going on in your organization. >> this is a slide that has never been shown to me before. i'm happy to look at it and it absolutely does not reflect what's happening at planned parenthood. >> you're going to deny -- >> i'm going to deny the slide you've just shown me that no one has ever provided us before. we've provided you all the information about everything -- all the services that planned parenthood provides. it doesn't feel like we're trying to get to the truth here. i'm happy to look at it. >> i pulled those numbers directly out of your corporate report. >> i've been informed the source of this is americans united for
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life, which is an anti-abortion group. so i would check the scores. >> a lot of americans are confused about what planned parenthood does and what they do with federal dollars. >> well, as was stated numerous times by cecile richards and has been stated numerous times and i think is clear to everyone, federal funding, whether we agree with that policy or not, cannot be used for abortion, except in very limited circumstances, rape, incest, life of the mother. and so planned parenthood gets like any other health care provider, reimbursements for services provided. like a hospital, like your doctor, like my doctor. and so abortion is paid for by other funds and not federal funds. and just like any provider, the way we get paid for those preventive services is if people choose to come to us. if no one came to planned parenthood, they wouldn't give
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us any medicaid reimbursement money. but people come to planned parenthood, because for 99 years, we've been providing some of the highest quality women's health care in the country. >> i want to ask you about the videos that came out this summer. because a lot of this debate has been fueled by that. carly fiorina as you know, continues to attack on this, she talks about the videos on the campaign trail, and she stuck by her claims that she made at the debate on "meet the press" this sunday. take a listen. >> there is no evidence that the scene you describe exists. are you willing now to concede that you exaggerated that scene? >> no, not at all. that scene absolutely does exist, and that voice saying what i said they were saying, we're going to keep it alive to harvest its brain, exists as well. here's the thing -- [ all speak at once ] >> you saw that moment on the tape? >> yes. and i would challenge planned
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parenthood -- >> she would challenge you to explain, but let me just ask you this. a lot of voters probably aren't paying attention to the intricacies, they hear carly fiorina saying what she's saying. it sounds incredibly dramatic, incredibly sad. it sounds like we're talking about a fetus on a table, and people are angry when they hear that. where is the truth? >> well, they should be angry at david gliden and the center for medical progress, and frankly carly fiorina who really had the liar liar dress on fire moment in the debate. and what they are seeing there is absolutely a misrepresentation. the footage that she supposedly says was from a planned parenthood, didn't have anything to do with a planned parenthood. it's likely from a miscarriage, actually, from the doctors who have looked at it. so either she is being duped or misled, or she's intentionally misleading.
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i've written to carly fiorina with the facts of this. i've invited her to join us at any health center, anywhere in america, anyway. i've invited her with sez eel richards to appeal, to talk, to try and explain what she thinks of videos that she's edited together, are representative or what happens at planned parenthood. it's just not true. but she doesn't have a choice in this political environment, where the republican party is being held hostage in this primary season by really aggressive anti-abortion advocates. she can't do anything but double down. >> dawn la gans, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, kate. >> how does all this drama of planned parenthood and the potential shutdown play into the leadership play in the house? kasie hunt joins me now from washington, d.c. there's been a lot of back and forth on this show, on capitol hill today. a lot of very emotional
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opinions, but when it all comes down to it, the timing of this was timed because the potential government shutdown and that link to planned parenthood funding. we're not going to have a government shutdown, right? >> it has precipitated all of this shuffling, kate, the fact that john boehner was facing down this potential government shutdown, part of what ultimately led him to decide to throw in the towel so abruptly. you're right, now we are turning into this new leadership fight, but the reality is for republicans on the hill, the world doesn't look much different, as far as trying to -- they're really facing the same struggles that boehner has faced all this time, where you have this group of conservatives, and i think there are questions about how much is going to get done and how much is going to change. obviously this one particular issue has been largely diffused because of what boehner did. i think the question is, are those conservatives going to feel like they got what they wanted with john boehner being pushed out, or are they just
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going to continue to agitate? and does that say maybe more about them, than it did about john boehner's speakership. >> do we have any sense now for the leadership road ahead? i know we've heard that mccarthy has thrown his hat in, he wants to be the new speaker. what about the other republican ranks? >> at this point, i think they'd be surprised if mccarthy wasn't the next speaker of the house. there is a little bit more of a fight for the number two job. steve scalise of louisiana is somebody who's a possibility, but he's been painted a little bit by his association with david duke, whether that's fairly or not. so you also have tom price on the far right, potentially the choice of the freedom caucus. but he's run before and had some trouble. and lately just in the past 24 to 48 hours or so, we've heard trey gowdy's name being floated. he's become something of a conservative rock star as the guy who is essentially leading the charge against hillary
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clinton. but he hasn't shown any actual interest in the job. he's not been shy about making his interest of getting out of congress known, so at this point, we're not sure how far that will go. okay, thank you. next hour, there will be a republican strategy session and we'll have more on that later. two breaking news news stories we're following today. clemency denied for a woman on georgia's death row, she's set to die in a matter of hours, despite efforts from the pope in this case. also reports of coalition forces in afghanistan beating back an attack on an airport in a key city in afghanistan from the taliban. we'll get the latest there ahead.
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breaking news out of georgia, the only woman on death row in that state will be executed less than three hours from now. the clemency request was denied a short time ago, despite a wave of public pleas, including one from pope francis herself. she was sentenced to death by lethal injection for the 1997 murder of her husband at the hands of her lover who is now serves life in prison. gabe has the very latest. even the last-minute plea from pope francis didn't spare her life? >> yes, it wasn't enough. a parole board denying her clemency. she's now scheduled to be the first woman executed in georgia in 70 years. her three adult children were at today's parole hearing and they pleaded for her. and also a letter written on behalf of the archbishop asked for her sentence to be commuted. her supporters say this is a
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very emotional decision. this is a reaction from kathy zappa, she's an episcopal priest and the program director for the theology program that danner participated in while in prison. >> i am so disappointed. i don't know of a better case for clemensy. if you look at the other cases where the board has considered clemency, she meets a lot of the criteria. >> the family was split on this. relatives of her husband put out a statement late yesterday saying that they thought she did not deserve clemency, that she had taken her husband's life and targeted her husband. this has been a long road to this point. there have been three clemency applications before this, even an appeal to the u.s. supreme court, which was denied in october of last year. and earlier this year, a
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previous execution was delayed because the lethal injection drug appeared too cloudy. kate? >> any reaction to the fact that the pope intervened on this. we know he spoke last week about his opposition to the death penalty. was anyone expecting that letter? >> reporter: well, it's not unheard of for papal interventions, but the arch d dieio cease held a news conference about the letter that was written and they said this is something that is very important in the catholic church, especially following pope francis's visit to the u.s., calling for a worldwide ban on the death penalty. but this is not unheard of. pope john paul ii in the '90s was very outspoken against the death penalty. the parole board said it reviewed all the evidence and
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decided to continue with this execution. again, it's scheduled for 7:00 at the prison behind me. >> gabe gutierrez in georgia, thank you. now to breaking news out of afghanistan. afghan forces with a u.s. air strike, launched a large-scale operation to take a key city after it was taken by the taliban on monday. a police commander tells nbc news the air strike reportedly killed 15 taliban fighters and a commander. afghan military and police forces are now reportedly chasing the taliban back into the city. coalition forces have not yet confirmed that report. tropical warm joaquin is churning over the atlantic. when we come back, al roker is with us for an update. and donald trump gets the backing of a billionaire investor. stay with us. ys, i'll be writinw language for machines
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we've been talking about tropical storm joaquin churning over the atlantic, taking straight aim at the northeastern u.s. it won't likely reach hurricane status, but it does threaten to dump a lot of rain. nbc's al roker is here with the cities that are on track to be hit with that, and even prior to that, you have stuff happening already. >> that's right. we have a big system. i mean, it's a juicy system, pushing its way, and it's going to drop about three to five inches along the mid atlantic states right into the northeast and new england. there's a cold front pushing in, and already 19 million people are under some sort of flood watch or flash-flood warning from new england all the way down into the carolinas. as this system pushes, and here's why. we're going to get a lot of rain in a very short period of time, talking about anywhere from two to five inches of rain from the del mar of the peninsula, all the way to coastal and inland new england. now, here's the latest on joaquin.
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we're watching this, right now it's 425 miles east-northeast of the bahamas, moving west at 5 miles per hour. we expect to get an update from the national hurricane center at about 5:00. right now, we could see some strengthening. it gets caught up, slows down, and then hooks and goes straight north along the coast. so sunday morning, it's running parallel to the eastern seaboard. but look at this cone of uncertainty, kate. we're talking 520 miles wide. and then there's also all these different models that we look at. and there's a wide variance between those. from one that takes it all the way to bermuda. another one brings it close to the southeastern atlantic coast. a 650-mile difference. another one up along the new jersey coastline. as we mentioned, three days of rain, three to five inches, but take a look at what happens. even if joaquin doesn't get in here, even if it doesn't make landfall, it's probably going to
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add an extra five to eight inches of rain along the northeast coast. some places could get a foot. >> so we're adding up this week, you said five inches and then -- >> we could be talking a foot. we are in a moderate drought for much of the northeast and new england. and this would eradicate it, but we don't want to get it all at the same time. >> al, thank you. >> and and congratulations on your news emmy that you won last night. >> thank you. we'll be talking about that in a few minutes. i really appreciate that. thank you for walking us through the -- you notice i called it stuff earlier. >> that's what we call it in the weather office. it's stuff. >> you get in here and you straight us out. thank you. president obama met with cuba's raul castro on the sidelines of the united nations general assembly today. a report on what was discussed coming up. plus $12 trillion, that's the price tag one group is putting on donald trump's tax
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president obama now back at the white house after a full morning of events at the u.n. general assembly in new york. the president held a meeting with raul castro, marking the second face-to-face meeting between those two leaders since diplomatic relations were restored late last year. on monday, president obama told the u.n. he was confident the u.s. congress would eventually lift the trade embargo on cuba. let me bring in ron allen at the united nations. tell me what we know about the meeting between the two men. >> the trade embargo is number one on the list of cuba's concerns. obviously that. and also guantanamo bay, the prison. it's a huge piece of real estate that the united states controls in cuba that cuba wants back. so this is the hard part of this diplomatic dance that they're
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doing now. the details, opening up trade, business. the obama administration has been trying to do what it can through executive order to improve the situation in terms of banking, bringing money into the country, internet connectivity, but there's only so much it can do. and in fact, we know that the congress, there's so much opposition to lifting the embargo. that's unlikely to happen anytime soon. >> ron, the other thing at the u.n. today, a summit on combatting isis. near the end of his remarks, the president expressed some optimism on defeating isis on the battlefield. >> in iraq and in syria, isil is surrounded by communities, countries, and a broad international coalition committed to its destruction. we've seen that isil can be defeated on the battlefield where there is sound organization, and a government and military that is
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coordinating with this coalition and with our diplomatic efforts. >> how was that received? how did the rest of the world leaders at that summit, you know, there's such a division between the united states and russia's point of view on syria. how is it being received? >> i think there's unanimity that isis is a threat to a lot of communities and countries. the problem with the united states, the president was saying, there has been some success. a number of countries have joined the coalition. it's now 65. they claim 25% of the land that isis controlled a year ago is now gone. the problem is, the u.s. has had success where they've been able to form an army on the ground that they can support from the air, particularly in the kurdish areas of iraq. that's not happening in syria and other areas of iraq. so while there's been some progress, it's been very limited. we've seen the reports about how difficult it's been to train syrian opposition fighters.
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a handful trained, despite hundreds of millions of dollars spent trying to do it. so while there has been progress, it's going to be a long process. >> ron, thank you. let me bring in senior naval analyst at the institute for the study of war, retired navy commander. thank you for being with us, commander harmer. >> pleasure. thank you. >> let's talk about a bipartisan report that came out today. it says the united states is failing to stop the flow of foreign fighters to join isis. this is out of a congressional bipartisan committee that was formed to look at this. how does the u.s. curb the flow of fighters? >> i crew up out west and there's a saying there, it's kind of like shutting the barn door after the horses have gotten out. i appreciate the fact that they're addressing this, but they're bringing up stuff that everybody who has been following the fight all along.
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30,000 fighters in total over the last four years have gone and joined isis. some of them have come back. out of america, the numbers are relatively small, about 250. there's no way to know if that's an accurate number, if it underassesses or overassesses. we'll use that as the baseline. either way, it's straining the ability of federal and local law enforcement to interdict this movement of american citizens prior to them joining with jihad jihad jihadis. there's no legal basis to stop someone going over to syria before they go without violating all kinds of constitutional protection. so right now, federal law enforcement is in an incredibly difficult situation. the real problem is we're failing to defeat isis in syria. if we defeat them in their homeland, the recruiting will dry up. >> for law enforcement, this is really tricky stuff. because they can't just run into somebody's bedroom and stop them
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from going online and talking to jihadists overseas. is there more the u.s. could be doing? is there policy action we could be taking? >> the easiest policy action is first, take a direct fight against isis. the reason isis is being successful at recruiting people is, all these wannabe jihadis want to join a winner. they see the islamic state has been successful in establishing the caliphate and defeating all its enemies other than the peshmerga. they see the islamic state is adhering to this violent radical interpretation of islam where they're decapitating people. and it stuns me to acknowledge this, but there's a significant portion of the population out there that wants to join with an organization like that. so as long as we allow the islamic state to continue to do what it's doing inside the caliphate, they are going to be successful at recruiting people out of the west, out of russia, out of north america.
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so the only policy decision here is are we going to take the fight to isis, destroy them in place, or are we going to try to identify american sympathizers and detain them before they go over. i visit jihadi websites every day as part of my research, that doesn't mean i'm sympathizer. how do they discern between people who are curious and people planning to join the fight? it's an impossible problem given our guarantees of a free and open society. >> and just to pick up your point about the situation on the ground in syria, and given that meeting last night between president obama and president putin, with divergent views on how to handle the situation on the ground, where do we go from here? what does the u.s., in your opinion, need to do? >> i think there's a credible case to be made, that if somebody wants to say non-intervention is the right answer, i'm open to that case being made. unfortunately what's happening is the american policy in syria is, we're going to destroy isis,
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but we're not taking the lead on that. if we do that, somebody else is going to take the lead. in this case, the somebody else is russia, iran, hezbollah. you have hezbollah, two state sponsors of terror in iran and syria, and they're going to take the lead on the fight against isis, that's great, but in the rememb long-term, they'll be dominant later. so if the united states wants to control what happens there or wants to even influence it, we need to take more of a lead role. >> chris harmer, thank you for your perspective today. >> thank you. turning now to a busy day on the campaign trail, donald trump's campaign defending its new tax plan against accusations from critics who would say it would add $12 trillion to the federal deficit over the next ten years. among them, jeb bush, who sent out a tweet noting it resembled his own tax plan, but he said, without the fiscal
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responsibility. today bush was laying out his own proposals, this one on energy. also talking energy, carly fiorina, who held an afternoon town hall on that subject in oklahoma city. hallie jackson is in oklahoma city and we begin with donald trump's campaign, benjy sarlin is covering that. trump taking criticism for the tax plan. we talked about it. conservative groups saying it will add $12 trillion to the deficit over ten years. what's the reaction in the trump campaign? do they care anybody is saying it's too big a plan and too costly? >> well, i talked to a trump campaign spokesperson earlier today, they believe the analysis is inaccurate. and once the trump campaign lays out more details on how we'll pay for some of these costs, it will add up in their favor.
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the consensus is that the gist of the analysis is pretty accurate, likely to add a lot to the deficit, which trump said it would not to. but they also added that it's very likely to be tilted towards the super rich, people like donald trump, who stand to benefit the most from its provisions. this also runs directly counter to what he's said on the campaign trail. he said announcing his plan, that it would cost him a fortune. but looking at donald trump here, it would eliminate the estate tax, which means his children would inherit much more of his money. it would drastically reduce the tax on his business empire. the top corporate tax rate would 35 from 35% to 15%. the top rate from 39.5% to 25% now. all those things put together and it's not hard to see why an analysis like the tax foundation finds that the top 1% does extremely well under trump's tax plan. >> i don't know if we still have that graphic. we had it earlier that showed
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the difference in terms of their assessment of his plan and what would happen to people at the highest income levels and the lowest. we may not have that handy right now. want to ask you also about forbes today coming up with a number on trump's personal wealth. $4.5 billion, did i get that right? >> $4.5 billion. that's a result of an exhaustive look at trump's fortune by forbes magazine and its editor randal lane. why is this important? because trump often disputes public accounts of his net worth. he's been kind of obsessed on this point. he sued one author for claiming he was worth under a billion dollars. he's repeatedly claimed that he's worth much more than $4 billion, perhaps $10 billion. but the $4.5 billion is higher than their previous assessments. >> it's not that he hasn't said he's a rich man.
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i think he's said it over and over again. thank you. let me turn now to hallie jackson in oklahoma city. good to see you again. so carly fiorina is in oklahoma to talk energy, right? tell us about what the plan is. >> reporter: yeah, here at the petroleum association, the oklahoma -- a place where we saw marco rubio unveil his energy plan as well. it's a pretty good crowd, 150 to 200 people. some of them supporters, some of them undecided, and it was interesting, kat, in talking to the folks who came out here today, why they decided to come see fiorina. a lot of them talked about her debate performance from a couple of weeks ago. they were impressed by her, found her smart and articulate. one person said she thought she would be a good role model for her daughters. on the flip side, there was some concern among folks we talked to that people simply don't know who carly fiorina is yet, that
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she hasn't introduced herself well enough after that debate performance. she's been doing well in the polls, but the challenge for her campaign is to continue these introductions, hammer her biography at events like this, talking about her time as a secretary, her leadership at hp, a business record which she has come under fire for. carly fiorina saying she'll run on her record all day long. and that seems to be how the campaign is framing, at least at this moment in time, she's a leader who can make tough decisions, and she says that's what washington needs right now. >> tomorrow, i know there's a deadline for fund-raising. how are they feeling about their coffers? >> reporter: you know, the campaign -- at least they tell me, outside of these filing deadlines, but she has powerful super pacs behind her, as do the other candidates. she's obviously had some momentum carrying forward. >> she's said she doesn't want to be this -- [ inaudible ] >> okay, we're losing you a
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last night, al roker mentioned we had the honor of being recognized for our work on msnbc and nbc news for a her oi series that we produced. but we don't deserve the honor, it's the families that shared very intimate personal struggles of heroin addiction. one of the moments that a lot of viewers may remember from that series that we did was in missouri where a mom came to the interview with her two sons, both of whom were living with her, both of whom were struggling at the time with heroin addiction. take a listen. >> you been using? >> no, i didn't use heroin. >> just drinking? >> yeah. >> i did take a texan axe too. >> denise and chad don't believe him. they think he's on heroin. >> are you more worried about him than you were this morning? >> yes.
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yes. >> because he gets high. >> that's why we're here, though, right? >> right. >> that was a tough moment for denise. i do want to tell you that her two sons are doing much better a year and a half later. they're both in recovery. ben, one of her sons is actually working in construction now. so that's good news. i want to bring in a couple of guests with us here. debby gordon steen, whose son dan and her family were also featured in our story about heroin addiction. good to see you. and here in the studio, a man who is helping fight this academic, judge james reese, he runs drug court just outside of new york. thank you both for being with us. we've all talked over all these months. debbie, we've been in touch since we first met you a year and a half ago. bring us up to speed on your family. i know dan was struggling, and
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then everything seemed so good and you just had another setback. >> yeah, dan had done very well, in fact, remained sober for a year and a half. and just had another setback, recently relapsed, but because we sadly have experience with this, we caught it quickly, and i actually, my husband and i and my dad, went to court a week ago monday and had him put into a drug treatment, state-mandated facility against his will. >> and we've talked about this debbie, it's so difficult for parents in your situation. i know you've told me that you find a lack of resources, a lack of knowing what to do. >> it's very hard. people are afraid to talk about it. you know, there's a lot of shame with addiction, and i think that because of that, there's no light on it. my dad has always taught me, you know, shine light on something
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because mold doesn't grow in the light. it only grows in darkness. >> sadly, that's why you're here. >> right, right. and that's why i choose to talk about it. you know, it's not just about my son, you know, and my story. it's about everybody, and if it can happen to us, i believe it can happen to anybody. >> yeah, i've been to your home, i've been to where you live. you're from, i think it's fair to say, a middle-class area outside of boston. you do quite well. your son is probably not the face people have in their head when they think of someone with this addiction. i want to put up some numbers on the screen. because it's stunning when you start to think about the number of people that we're talking about in this country. two out of every 1,000 americans are addicted to heroin right now. >> it's staggering. >> 110 overdose deaths from legal and illegal drugs every day. and the numbers are getting
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bigger. i don't want to be all, you know, debby downer about this, but it is an epidemic. >> it certainly is an epidemic, and the sooner the people realize, the better off we'll be. we have the resources, we can help out and we can make a difference. with michelle and our team, she was on death's door from heroin. >> michelle is a woman we profiled in our series. >> she's seven and and a half years clean and sober, and helping people on the team similarly situated. to the mom we're talking to on tv here today, please don't ever give up. there's hope, and i'm telling you, your son is still alive, there's a lot we can do. >> tell me about the drug court. you have how many people in now? >> right now, we have about 95 people on average on any given day, and 20, 40 people waiting to come in. we just get them in as soon as possible. we never say no to those in need of help. we realize that after nine years being on this county court, i'm very fortunate and privileged to
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serve, that after nine years, the numbers are very clear. we can make a difference to a large extent. er rez id vimp rate after graduation is down to 12%. of those that graduate successfully and get through the program, after two years, because we hold them accountable, people are staying alive and coming back to help out, taking care of their families, taking care of the kids. >> debbie, what do you want other americans, other moms out there to know? >> i think my biggest message is to never give up, as the judge said. never give up on your kids, your husband, your brother. but also not to give in. that tough love is a very difficult thing. but, you know, the accountability piece of it is the most important part of it. and we're also afraid as moms and dads to let go and not hold these kids accountable, because we're afraid they're going to die. you know, and i think that's my biggest message. >> that is the biggest issue i find, the families and the
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parents that really don't understand it, that we have to have a breakthrough with as well, in terms of the treatment and recovery for those addicted. whether it's a spouse, a son, a daughter, if the families get involved and they take it serious and listen to the experts, we have a fighting chance to save these people's lives and make a difference. >> debbie, these are such powerful stories for us to hear. it's a stark reality. and it's not just your son, right? in the boston area, i know the numbers are increasing, even in the past year since we first did our story. >> yes. last year, i think boston -- actually, massachusetts had over 1,200 deaths from heroin alone. i think that number doesn't count boston, worcester, and springfield, which are the big metropolitan areas. >> we hope, by getting the word out that there are programs like yours, judge, that there's support for parents out there, that we can start to make a dent
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on those numbers. >> kate, congratulations on a great job getting the word out. i thank you very much. >> as i said at the top, you two deserve the emmy as much as any of us do and please tell that to all your folks that worksed with us on the series. thank you so much. >> thank you. and let's get a check in on wall street now. sharon epperson here with the cnbc market wrap. we're looking at stocks finishing mixed, the dow and s&p finishing higher, getting over that important threshold of 16,000. but the nasdaq fell and we are looking ahead to fed speakers tomorrow that could move the market. that's if from cnbc, first in business worldwide. ideas are frightening because they threaten what is known. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are.
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the actor paul walker's 16-year-old daughter has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against porsche, claiming the carmaker skimped on safety features which would have prevented a crash or at least kept the "fast & furious" star alive. >> this is paul walker in the last minutes of his life, checking out a 2005 porsche carrera gt, less than half an hour before his friend takes them on their final ride. in a new lawsuit filed by walker's estate and his teenage daughter, experts say the car was traveling between 63 and 71 miles an hour when it went out of control, the car spun clockwise, brushed a tree and struck a light post on the driver's side while still going 45 and 55 miles an hour. >> the lawsuit alleges walker survived the crash, only to be
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killed in the fire that started about a minute after the impact, saying porsche failed to provide an electronic stability control device that would have prevented the car from losing control. the lawsuit also says the side doors were not strong enough, allowing the light post to penetrate the passenger compartment, sending the shoulder and lap belts in different directions, crushing his body and pinning him in the car when the fire sparked that killed him. >> it looks like porsche cut corners in the crash worthiness of the car, with the side structure and the fuel system. >> reporter: safety experts say high end sports car are not crash tested by federal and consumer agencies. san diego attorney craig mclellan filed and settled a lawsuit against porsche, when a man was killed in a carrera gt in 2006. >> the porsche carrera gt in particular is designed and advertised to be driven at high
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speed, but isn't designed and made to be protective at high speed. >> walker told friends he would be back in five minutes when he got into his friend's porsche. now he's gone forever after a fast ride that has left his family furious. >> nbc's joe frir reporting. porsche released a statement, saying they can't comment on specifics, but that authorities established that the crash resulted from reckless driving and excessive speed. we want to end on a lighter note today. first lady michelle obama talked by the late show with stephen colbert and talked about what she's looking forward to after she leaves the white house. >> i also want to do little things like, you know, open a window. [ laughter and applause ] >> i'm sorry. >> i want to go to target. i want to drive. >> you don't have security clearance to open your window. >> i can't open my windows. i really can't.
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if i press it in the car, everybody's like, oh, my god, what was that! >> meantime, chelsea clinton dishing with e! news about what kind of grandparents bill and hillary are. >> my parents as grandparents, you can see how much they love her and how interested they are in every part of her life, giving her a bottle or reading her a story before she goes to bed. it's such a joy. >> i'm proud of her. >> that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" with chuck todd is up next. ♪ if it's tuesday, it's a major summit at the u.n. on counterterrorism. we'll hear how president obama wants more of the world to fight back against isis. in washington, a highly combative hearing on capitol hill. on planned parenthood where many republicans unloaded on the group's leader.