>> you don't have security clearance to open your window. >> i can't open my windows. i really can't. if i press it in the car, everybody's like, oh, my god, what was that! >> meantime, chelsea clinton dishing with e! news about what kind of grandparents bill and hillary are. >> my parents as grandparents, you can see how much they love her and how interested they are in every part of her life, giving her a bottle or reading her a story before she goes to bed. it's such a joy. >> i'm proud of her. >> that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" with chuck todd is up next. ♪ if it's tuesday, it's a major summit at the u.n. on counterterrorism. we'll hear how president obama wants more of the world to fight back against isis. in washington, a highly combative hearing on capitol hill.

on planned parenthood where many republicans unloaded on the group's leader. plus exclusive new data on how the candidates spending the most on tv ads for the presidential race are not getting the most bang for their buck. it's "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ good evening from washington. a packed show tonight with president obama's top counterterror adviser lisa monaco on today's summit at the u.n. much more on our new poll driving a ton of headlines. kasie hunt with a report on which candidates are rolling out new policy proposals in an old-school way, and which ones aren't. but we start in the press box, jim miklaszewski has breaking news on what's going on with the taliban in afghanistan. kelly o'donnell is on the hill following the hearing on planned

parenthood. and more on planned parenthood's positive headlines, plus we'll hit the campaign trail in oklahoma city with hallie jackson who is following around carly fiorina who has driven news on planned parenthood. but let's begin with the breaking news out of northern afghanistan where government forces and the taliban have been engaged in heavy fighting all day. the taliban took this strategically important city of kunduz on monday, the first major city to fall since the u.s.-led invasion of afghanistan in 2001. let's go to jim at the pentagon. what's happening here and is this what happens when the u.s. presence shrinks? >> this is the best definition here of a surprise attack. it caught everybody in afghanistan here at the pentagon, by surprise. and it was a total shocker. there was a team of about 400 at most, taliban fighters, who swept into the city of kunduz, easily driving out, get this, 3,000 afghan security forces.

army and police. they easily took over the city, control of government buildings, released 500 prisoners, including taliban from a jail, and raised the flag. now at times, there was fierce gun battle or two, but the taliban prevailed. afghan officials accused of taliban of using local citizens as human shields and that, they say, is why the local forces had to retreat. now, the counteroffensive, by afghan forces, including for the first time in a year, u.s. jets. an f-16 fired rockets and dropped bombs on a taliban tank. the first time that u.s. forces engaged in this kind of defense of afghan forces since the mission for american forces changed there in afghanistan. and it does raise serious questions about whether the

president's schedule for withdrawal of all american forces from afghanistan can be achieved by late next year if the taliban still presents this kind of very formidable threat, chuck. >> and very quickly, you know, there was some -- i thought there was going to be peace negotiations between the afghan government and the taliban. where's that? and how many troops do we have right now? are we under ten yet or not yet? >> yes, it's about 9800, it's supposed to go down half of that by the end of this year. and we're told that even before this attack on kunduz, some senior military officials were mulling around trying to figure out how to ask the white house to keep more -- more american troops behind and not cut the number so severely in half by the end of the year, because of this potential threat that still exists from the taliban. >> well the threat is not a potential, that's for sure.

you'll have more of this on nightly news in about 90 minutes. let's head to capitol hill, kevin mccarthy is now the heavy favorite to be the next house speaker. he may be able toet get the vo, his ability to unite a fractured party is a different story. >> we want to make sure that we're closer to the people, that they feel this is their government, they're in charge, and we serve them. now, that's not easy and it won't change overnight, but that's our mission. >> so the big race is not going to be for speaker. everybody seems to be lining up for mccarthy. the big race where you'll see the fracture is going to be for the number two spot to replace mccarthy as majority leader. kelly o'donnell has the latest on this. kelly, i have been shocked. there's no front-runner, it seems. paul ryan is endorsing one candidate. upton another. this is truly a coin flip, isn't it? >> and what's really interesting about this, kevin mccarthy seems to be just gliding into the top

spot and really all of the volatility is in those secondary jobs. majority leader, who will be the whip and on down the line. so that is part of what we're seeing here, but tom price of georgia has appeal with big names like paul ryan behind him, and this will really be important because as mccarthy talks about trying to be closer to the voters, you need a leep that's closer to its members in this conference, to try to ease some of the tensions that have existed because we have seen how that 30 to 40 members can cause so much trouble for boehner. how will it be any different for mccarthy? >> and let's go through the candidates real quick. tom price, steve scalise, the two front-runners very fast. anybody else going to run? >> well, there's certainly daniel webster has put his name in for the big job, but we don't think he'll have enough support. and kathy mcmorris rogers has decided to stay out of the fray. she might have been a vote

splitter, and hopes to remain as the conference chair, which is an important and visible position in a gop dominated by white men. >> we'll have more on that. stay with me. i want to turn to the hearing you're covering on capitol hill, the planned parenthood hearing. here's some of the most contentious moments in hours of testimony. >> that's the reduction in the breast exams and the red is the increase in the abortions. that's what's going on in your organization. >> this is a slide that has never been shown to me before. i'm happy to look at it and it absolutely does not reflect what's happening at planned parenthood. >> i pulled those numbers directly out of your corporate report. >> my lawyer's informed me that the source of this is americans united for life which is an anti-abortion group, so i would check your source. >> well, that was one of the major back and forth. kelly, that was having to do with what percentage of planned

parenthood's business is abortions versus not abortions. >> well, they have numbers that say 327,000 abortions, but they're unable to really put a quantity to that. they say it's 3%, but when you look at the number of services they provide to 2.7 million people who come through the various clinics around the country, the numbers don't match up. it looks more like 12%. so that discrepancy is one of the things that was driving the hearing. it had to do with the division about how much abortion is a part of planned parenthood's service, and also, to some degree, the salary cecile richards makes and the lobbying remember of planned parenthood that raises money for democrat candidates predominantly and work on ballot issues around the country. chuck? >> we know there were other moments, and you'll have much more on planned parenthood on nightly news in about 90

minutes. kelly, thank you very much. despite the grilling for richards that she underwent today, the new numbers from our poll show that planned parenthood is the single most popular political entity that we tested in this poll. same was true in july. that popularity does not extend to many house republicans and presidential candidates who would still like to defund the organization. let me bring in my partner in crime here, mark murray. mark, talk me through these numbers. it wasn't just a favorable rating. the country is in one place on this, and house republicans are in another. >> not only the favorable ratings, 61% of americans say they don't want to defund planned parenthood in this fight, and you end up having a substantial number of democrats, but also a lot of independents. while republicans and conservatives continue to be angry is upset at planned parenthood, you see the rest of the country is in a different place. so when we look at whether there was going to be a government shutdown last week before john boehner stepped down as speaker, republicans were almost marching

into a political fight that they probably weren't going to win, just looking at the numbers. >> when you look at these numbers, you can't help but wonder did john boehner throw himself on a grenade which saved the party a disastrous political outcome. >> there's another reason why planned parenthood is in the cross hairs, it's all the work they do fordemocrats. we saw in 2012, and the 2014 mid terms, planned parenthood, through its political action committees, helped democratic candidates. so when we see the exchanges from republicans, it's a lot of politics involved. >> it could be some political payback here. thank you very much. now let's go to the campaign trail and a candidate making more headlines on planned parenthood than anybody else. it's carly fiorina, she's in oklahoma city, touting her business ground. take a look at this sound bite. >> politics is a fact-free zone. people just say things. people just say things. the thing is, business is not a

fact-free zone. just as opposed to for a moment that anyone else running for president was held criminally liable for what they said. >> boy, that's a quote i think we'll hear a lot of people use back and forth. let's bring in our correspondent who is on the trail with carly fiorina today in oklahoma city, and that is hallie jackson. if you're wondering why she's in oklahoma, oklahoma is on the early march primary slate. so you tried to get her to talk about planned parenthood today and she wouldn't do it, would she? >> reporter: yeah, notably not talking about it. she didn't get any questions from her audience here about planned parenthood. she didn't bring it up on her own. and when she went out, asking her about cecile richards on capitol hill, any reaction to this, she continued to say her campaign is on a tight schedule, but there's not been media availability for us, at least here today with carly fiorina. that said, this has been what you might call a central part of

her candidacy so far. remember, chuck, just last week, she was at the pregnancy center in south carolina. she attended an ultrasound with a woman there. she was surrounded by dozens of supporters who appreciated her full-throated attack against planned parenthood and her stance on this abortion debate. so this has been key for fiorina. she did bring up her business record, her comparing politics to business and how in politics, you can say anything, she says, and in business, you have to look at the facts and you have to back up your words with action, essentially. this is part of the strategy that she seems to be running on, chuck. she wants to portray herself as this fighter, as a leader who can make tough decisions and hope that that resonates with voters. >> it's a very strong quote that she said. like i said, i think it's a quote you're going to see, as long as she's in the front-runner position, you'll see a lot of people use that quote for various reasons. hallie jackson, thanks so much. coming up, the popularity

contest that's turning into a race to the bottom. does the donald, as in trump, trump clinton when it comes to unfavorabili unfavorability? plus a meeting that was 60 years in the making, the presidents of the united states and cuba come together for their first meeting on u.s. soil since the cuban revolution. what did it really mean? all of that is coming up on "mtp daily." fill out forms. tablets. keep it all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberry apple scones smell about done. ahh, you're good. i like to bake. add new business services with at&t and get up to $500 in total savings. like limiting where you earn bonus cash back.hings. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one

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brand new numbers on the tv ad wars for 2016, right here on "mtp daily." the candidates and their teams have spent $31 million in tv ads for the 2016 race, but it's what that money isn't buying that's the story here. look at this, the biggest tv ad spender so far is jeb bush and his super pac supporting him, shelling out a combined $5.4 million. much of that in the past month.

team kasich has spent $4.9 million, all of that money has been spent in new hampshire. all $3.9 million of rubio's t ad spending. team christie, $2.9 million. most of that money to a n hampshire ad buy. team jindal is flowing into iowa. ben carson team has shelled out $400,000 in tv ads. team carly fiorina has spent $3,000 on ads and team trump, nada. the gop front-runners are all at the bottom of the spending chart, and the top three candidates in our latest polls have together spent less than half a million dollars on tv ads. you got to ask, what is that $5 million buying candidates like jeb bush? and in the democratic race, it's no different. sanders hasn't spend a dollar on tv ads.

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we're just over 13 months until election day, the 2016 electorate is defined by one word -- it's anger. digging in to our new poll numbers, 62% believe the country is heading in the wrong direction. 54% told us there's something that upsets them so much they would carry a protest sign around for a day if they could. president obama's approval rating is at 47%. not bad, but not that great either. all that, though, should be good news for the party that's not in the white house. but here's the challenge for the republican party. that's where the good news for them stops. in the rest of our poll, just 29% view the gop positively. that compares with 41% who have a favorable view of the national democratic party. the 2016 republican front-runner donald trump is the most

unpopular national political figure that we tested in our poll. and republican voters are in a revote against their own leaders in congress. 72% are dissatisfied with house speaker john boehner who announced last week that he's leaving, and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. the only silver lining for republicans in the poll, there are warning signs in our poll for the democratic front-runner as well. hillary clinton continues to face a daily drip, drip, drip of revelations about her use of a personal e-mail account of secretary of state. 39% hold a positive view of her. it's a collapse in her favorable rating, down nearly 20 points since she left the state department. negative ratings amongst independents are so high, they're actually higher than donald trump's. and vice president biden's period of indecision is clearly hurting her. we'll have more of that later in the show. first of all, bill, i want to get your espn very quickly on that spending data i put up. if i put up -- we put up our

poll, and it showed who the front-runners were in the order, and then we put up our spending chart, does money not matter anymore in american politics? >> these debates had 24 million viewers, and like most presidential campaigns, it is the earned media environment, the debates, the coverage, who's getting coverage and attention that's having consequence. believe me, i'd still other be with a campaign that has $100 million than zero. but at a presidential level, there are points where you think, i'm not sure the money matters compared to the day-to-day attention you get when you're running a campaign. >> that's what is screaming at you. money is obviously going to matter, but only to a point. let me go to the poll here, fred. put up our word cloud. 48% of republicans said they would carry a protest sign. it was democrats that wanted to carry a protest sip. here's what, stop abortion and

enforce immigration law. all lives matter. planned parenthood. you're mentor said it read like a newspaper headline. >> well, i think, look, the 59th poll in a row, we've measured significant wrong track. so this is a sustained and deep pessimism of the electorate. the number of americans who would carry a sign because they're angry and protesting is big. but why the election is unpredictable, there doesn't seem to be a focus for this anger. and as peter said, a lot of the signs people would carry, dems and republicans, are what they read in the paper today. >> why is there more democrats? all my convention wisdom pals say it's the republicans that are angry. >> well, you have to carry a sign. >> it's part of the culture. [ laughter ] >> but i'm saying, would you carry a protest sign? but i do think, we want to make

sure we're listening to the voters. that's your job as pollsters. and there are some new things in there. we asked that question a year ago and this whole issue of black lives matter, police lives matter. there's this whole racial unrest that is part of what's in that cloud that we did not see last year, and we need to respect that's an element that's happening in this country that's taking place this year. >> here's one of my other favorite questions that we did. we tested president obama's message of 2012, you know, you want the next president to move america forward, against donald trump's message of protecting what has made america great. fred, it was a blow-out here, basically 60% would pick the president obama message versus -- and of course we did it without party, and only 38% picked the trump message. however, republicans were more inclined to pick the trump message. >> the republican primary voters, which is what donald trump or whoever should only care about right now, the results were the opposite.

that's what's going to have to go, he or anyone else who is going to try to win, has to go hard to this message, but then quickly pivot to, i think where the electorate is, not just democrats, but independents wanting the optimistic message of bringing america -- of opportunity and prosperity. >> we've all been taught, presidential elections are about the future, not the past. and yet republicans were leaning toward the past. >> well, i think to me, the markers in this survey, we have a whole set of questions. do you want obama's policies or new policies? do you want change? do you want this? we have this set of questions we asked in 2008 and for me the point is, today, people are more likely -- as or more likely to say they want a change compared to the 2008 cycle. and it's a reminder that this is a country that you had better be talking about what you will get done different and what will be different in washington if you're president, because that is what people want to hear and

talk about. >> let me throw this at you. we had a list of issue -- policy issues and you guys did a tremendous chart to show on different policy issues, where people were in favor or against. and democrats and independents are in one place, for instance, on abortion, on gay rights, on minorities, on immigration. and republicans are in another place. it's not surprising that democrats and republicans are in another place. but not being with independents, how big a problem is that? >> i think this is one of these tensions. which is, is there a new america emerging, that's a more tolerant country? in the republican party autopsy after 2012, the point of the autopsy said, guess what, 30% of the voters in 2016 will be non-white. the republican party has to be perceived as an inclusive party that's open to people coming to this country and are open to people who are a broad representation. these numbers suggest or voters, the republican primary voters

don't quite see it that way, and to me, it's one of the central challenges of the republican primary so far. the gap between what our autopsy said and what we're seeing in our own primary is pretty profound. >> and right now the leading candidate for president is someone with a disapproval rating in the 70s among latino members. >> let me ask you this as a now question. you as a democrat, how panicked are you that you just said what you said about donald trump, yet independent voters view hillary clinton more unfavorably, how big a problem is that for your party? >> look, i think the poll would suggest while her position has gotten less solid over the past year, she's still very likely to be the nominee. she is in dead heats with all the republican candidates. the numbers, the vote with independents is close. i think, look, hillary clinton, donald trump, carly fiorina, whoever it is, at some point, this becomes a choice between

two candidates, and i think that's when her numbers will improve. >> but you look at this and you say the republican party is starting off not in a good place. >> well, the republican party has had a negative number since 2005, but today we have the most congressmen we've had since the 1920s, the most governors. so we have a country that's saying, i'm not sure i like the republican party, but they're voting for us in a lot of different places. >> and president obama still maintains a very solid political rating. at this point eight years ago, president george w. bush had become a liability for republicans. the president is still very strong with our core constituencies and with independents. >> fair point. thank you both. >> thank you, chuck. >> good to be doing this again. great to have you back. all right, next, we'll get you caught up on the who, what, when, where and why, including why rand paul is pulling double duty right now.

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been a busy day at the united nations, president obama moving on from yesterday's russia is syria affair. honing in on one of his achievements, cuba. the president held a meeting with raul castro today, marking the first time that a u.s. and cuban set of leaders have met on american soil in more than 60 years. the meeting came on the heels of castro's continued calls to end the u.s. embargo on cuba during his first speech to the u.n. general assembly. >> translator: now law and complex process begins towards the normalization of relations. but this will only be achieved with the economic and commercial blockade against cuba being lifted. >> let me bring in jose

diaz-balart, who has been covering this issue closely. president obama said that he thought congress would eventually lift the embargo. i understand why he would say that, but not this congress. >> yeah, you know, the embargo, if you look at how it was codified into law, it's pretty basic and simple on how the embargo would be lifted. how all of the blockades that exist between the united states being able to fully have economic relations and support for the cuban government. it's pretty simple how that would go away. if there are a call for free and fair elections, if political prisoners are released, if reunions are allowed to organize and people can move freely within the country. if those three things happen in cube a then the embargo would cease to exist. so it's almost as if people are speaking in new york on different planets. because it's pretty simple. you call for democratic elections. >> right. >> you have a release of

political prisoners, and have unions and the embargo's over. >> and jose, i want to get to this. we had a conversation in the halls and you were pretty fired up. ever since the united states cut this deal and opened up diplomatic relations with cube a tell me what's happened to political prisoners in cuba. >> well, the increase of repression has been clear. a young man who is an artist, currently in a prison in cuba, no charges against him. he's on a hunger strike, very close to death, and that is because, in an art exhibit, he brought out an art exhibit that had two apparently paper marshay pigs, and for that art exhibit, he's close to death. over the weekend, 70 people were arrested in cuba, that includes wives of dissidents, still

unaccounted for in prison. a lot of questions by raul castro, but what is going to cause a change in that government that's been in power since january 1st of 1959, chuck. >> jose, it's very important i thought we bring up that political prisoner point, these are people that the pope supposedly was blessing all these things, they put on a good show. when we all leave, something seems to change. >> i'm glad we're bringing up his name, because he is languishing in prison. >> jose, i know you have a broadcast to put on. thanks for coming on. just after the castro meeting, president obama chaired a counterterrorism summit focused on destroying isis. earlier today i spoke with his chief counterterrorism adviser and what she saw as the goal of the summit. >> this is an opportunity for countries to renew commits already made, to make new commitments in the fight against

isil, as well as addressing the flow of foreign terrorist fighters and importantly, chuck, to make new commitments against violent extremism. so what can we realistically get done? a few things in particular, we had new countries joining the coalition. three now countries joining the coalition. also today -- >> which countries? any countries of significance? >> nigeria, malaysia, tunisia. and certainly all three of whom are on the front lines in the fight in terms of the challenges that they're each facing. we also are marking our progress in the fight against foreign terrorist fighters. so today was announced new designations of isil facilitators by the u.n. and by the treasury department. we've announced new commitments by a range of countries to help build more capacity. we're announcing today a new

counterterrorism and cve, countering violent extremism clearing house, that partner nations can feed into and better coordinate their efforts as they help other countries fight the scourge of violent extremism. >> there's a new report out today and essentially things have gotten worse over the last year. 30,000 foreign fighters now. 2500 westerners. over 250 americans have joined the islamic state. what didn't work before? it was those numbers, i remember a year ago we were frightened, there were 15,000 foreign fighters and 100 americans, and now those numbers have doubled and then some. >> it's absolutely the case that the flow of foreign fighters is continuing. that's why you've seen all the governments come and be convened by the president to redouble our efforts. but the numbers also reflect that today there are more countries sharing more information, enacting new laws

to prosecute and stop foreign terrorist fighters. those numbers that you cited are reflective of a compilation of things. they reflect those who have gone into the fight and died there, and they reflect more information-sharing, so we know more about the problem. >> your predecessor in this position, i remember when he did briefings, and we'd ask the question, what is the worst safe haven for terrorism, at the time it was about al qaeda. he always would say yemen and would argue that yemen was worse than afghanistan at the time. what keeps you up at night? what is the worst safe haven right now for terrorism? is it syria? >> there's no doubt that syria and the chaos that is there, the atrocities that bashar al assad is perpetrating on his people in the form of barrel bombs and horrific attacks, continues to be a magnet for foreign

terrorist fighters, for extremists going to syria to find safe haven, to join the fight and potentially come back out. so syria and the stronghold that isil has formed in the north of syria is a particular concern. what i would say, though, chuck, is, we are stepping up our efforts. that's what today was about. stepping up our efforts in particular in going after isil in syria, particularly in the strongholds of araqqa. we've had success there against particularly individuals who are plotting externally, using social media to extoll their followers to commit attacks here in the homeland, and we've taken a number of those figures off the battlefield. and we've also worked with partners on the border between syria and turkey to close off that border, to narrow that gap, to the point where there's only about 68 miles left of that border that we need to secure. so we've taken measurable steps, but there's a lot more to do. >> another part of your job,

when it comes to counterterrorism is on the cyber front. i want to play for you this exchange that james clapper had with john mccain over in the senate. take a listen. i want to ask you about it on the other side. >> well, hope springs eternal. i think we will have to watch what their behavior is and it will be incumbent on the intelligence community, i think, to pick -- portray to the policy makers, what behavioral changes if any result from this agreement. >> are you optimistic? >> no. >> so that's james clapper not being optimistic that whatever cyber deal that the u.s. and china can come to will somehow stop these cyber attacks by china on america. why isn't the united states retaliating against china on this? >> well, what i would say, chuck, is director clapper is right. we are very clear-eyed and will continue to be very clear-eyed

about china's malicious cyber activity. and that's exactly what you heard from the president. and most importantly, that's what president xi heard from president obama. so the words that were said and documented in the visit last week, is an important piece of progress, but words are just words, and we're looking for actions. and we will be watching, and that's exactly what we said. >> watching is not a retaliation. and they perpetrated one of the biggest intelligence thefts in history on the united states. no retaliation? >> well, what i would say to that, chuck, is, one thing is for sure, that not all retaliatory actions are visible. and what we have done, it's been very clear. we will take steps to protect our interests, to protect our companies, to protect u.s. persons and to protect our interests in the time and place of our choosing. we've been very clear about that with president xi and frankly

with other malicious cyber actors as well. >> all right, the president's counterterrorism adviser, somebody who i imagine must not be able to sleep well at night. gotta be a tough job. thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> you heard there, maybe there's retaliation going on, we just might not see it when it comes to china. all right, jeb bush looks to boost his lagging poll numbers with new policy plans, but is his old-school style the way to win in 2016? we have a fascinating report from our own kasie hunt right after this.

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himself a policy heavyweight. i asked kasie hunt to take a look at the difference between what jeb's doing and everyone else. >> reporter: another day, another policy rollout for jeb bush. >> here's my aspiration. i believe we can create 1 million 21st century manufacturing jobs with the lowest, most abundant form of energy in the world. >> reporter: he's a self-described policy wonk and is following the traditional campaign playbook that's worked for decades. >> i'll remind you that my dad in 1980 was probably after this at this point. >> reporter: but so far, this cycle is anything but politics as usual. >> look, look, senator rubio is a lightweight. >> donald trump, ben carson, and carly fiorina have a combined 51% in this week's nbc possible. bush has 7, but as done more policy rollouts than the three of them combined. fiorina's website just released news clips of her talking about issues. >> we have been tinkering around the edges for decades.

>> and while ben carson points out the tax code is 74,000 pages long, his own tax policy statement is just over 100 words. as the front-runner, trump's come under pressure to outline his position. and he has taken steps towards becoming a more conventional candidate. when he released his tax plan at trump tower monday, he used notes. we have an amazing code. it will be simple. it will be easy. it will be fair. it's graduated. >> reporter: but even the most mundane of policies just sound different coming from a candidate like trump. >> i fight like hell to pay as little as possible. can i say that? i'm not a politician. i fight like hell, always, because it's an expense. >> reporter: bush's falling poll numbers have donors wringing their hands and demanding more. his team insists patience will pay off. >> look, it is a marathon and we just started advertising. i'm confident we get good response. we got a great ground game in these early states. >> and of course, bush has spent

$5.4 million already on tv. those outsiders have only spent $400,000. and chuck, it's really hard not to look at this and think that he is running the traditional playbook you're seeing on the democratic side from hillary clinton as well. >> yeah, it's amazing. clinton and bush are doing everything that the husband and fathers and brothers all did, and right now, it's not helping. we'll see. nice work. much or the state of bush's campaign, coming up. and plus, biden as hamlet. and if he is hamlet right now, it is hurting hillary clinton's campaign more than they might realize. they desperately feed biden to make a decision, any decision, soon. you could choose a card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or, you could make things easier on yourself. that's right, the quicksilver card from capital one. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. so, let's try this again.

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this particular campaign. and one thing, it's been 13 years since he ran for office. this is a huge difference now between politics then -- >> but chris, it's embarrassing when you have carly fiorina and ben carson and donald trump -- i mean, trump, compared to those three, has put out more policy -- >> yeah, carson, he's the jeb bush of those -- >> yeah. >> and carly fiorina, they haven't done anything yet remotely detailed. >> trump had, i thought, a fascinating insight, actually, into how people think about this. some people said, when are you going to put out more policy papers? i'll put out some more. to be honest, i don't know that voters want it. i think he's got a nugget of being right, though, which is tone, sort of trump with apologies for that. but it's trump, like, i've got this 5-00 point plan over here. and trump's like, we're going to do great! fiorina hasn't even gotten there into specifics. ben carson certainly hasn't gotten there in terms of specifics. i think he's losing the tonal fight. he looks like what the

republican base doesn't want and the question is, can he reintroduce himself, when your last name is bush? >> i don't know. i want to move to the other legacy candidate here, hillary clinton. susan, we're all debating, joe biden not running help her, or does running help her? clearly what we know is not helping her is joe biden as hamlet and her poll numbers. she's running against an idea. and by the way, the idea is crushing her. >> and the idea is popular and has a great favorable rating. and you know, joe biden will probably never be more popular than he is right before he announces he's running. because at that point, the scrutiny starts and the gaffe become more serious matters. but right now he's the politician everyone loves against a woman who has had a lot of trouble connecting with voters. >> if he gets in, her numbers go lower for the first month. >> i think the obvious thing that happens, and i don't know that this will come to pass, but it lowers the win number for bernie sanders. bernie sanders can not win a one

on one race against hillary clinton. >> the biggest winner of biden -- >> i think it makes it possible that bernie sanders could win iowa and new hampshire. and at that point, all bets are kind of off. i do think her numbers could dip a little bit, because biden would get another month, at least, of good press, but once you're a candidate -- >> it's a different story, but, boy, what she really needs is him to make any decision. >> this hurts her more than anything. >> all right, thank you very much. we'll be back tomorrow, because if it's wednesday, it's mtp daily. craig melvin picks up our coverage right now. right now on msnbc live, funding fight. the head of planned parenthood faces off against republican critics looking to strip federal funding. then, to another fight on capitol hill, this one over who will lead the gop house. establishment or outsider? also, donald trump's on again/off again and then on again war with the