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>> everything else we are. >> that seems less than what he is. he is a good one. that's true. former treasury official and morning joe speaker and washington columnist and associate editor for the washington post good morning to you all. >> good morning. >> we'll get to some of your charts in a minute, steve but i know you're excited about donald trump's tax plan. >> it's a good one. >> i win. >> he said that dripping with sarcasm. the number it put out will be a 1 10-12 trillion. >> contrary what he's been saying on the campaign trail, he's giving the rich a huge tax cut. all the stuff about the hedge fund turns out to be r--

>> in an interview he talks about getting rid of -- it's not a lot of money. >> he's going to lower their taxes in other ways they're going to be better off. >> dang those hedge fund guys, they always get ahead. >> david on the front page of every newspaper, taliban tests the united states. it's on the front page of the wall street journal and new york times. we know they're trying to beat that back this mornings, afghan forces with the help of the united states. how significant is this moment? >> it's very significant. this is northern city outside the taliban's normal areas of strength and u.s. interestingly has been pulled right back into the fight in after fwan stan as have the authorized bombing

missions up in the north. the question is whether the afghan forces can hold on and whether they can fight and take back that city. if it falls it's strategic and could be the beginning in afghanistan. >> we're going to dig deeper in a few minutes. let's go to capitol hill and a marathon show down. planned parent hood. it comes as republicans try to defund the women's health organization after the release of hidden camera videos of an anti abortion group. let's bring in kelly o'donell who was up there all day. >> this was suppose to be a tee up to a debate threatening to shut down the government although that tlelt seems to have dissipated. as you know government funding for planned parent hood has

angered conservative especially in the wake of those undercover videos. that has been a debate that's reignited long held passions about abortion rights for and against. what we seen playing out is the intensity of the debate and it's still happening. >> rallying in houston. supporters took to the streets for what they called national pink out day. >> i feel like women should support women. >> same passions in washington for the group that provides a range of women's health care services. >> she is alive today because of planned parent hood. >> inside the capitol the president faced five hours of tense, sometimes confrontational questioning. >> you can't tell me how much you make from abortions? >> planned parent hood is under

political fire from the campaign trail to the capitol. republicans want to strip its federal funding stoked by undercover videos. >> if this was all untrue, why did you apologize? >> first, i think everyone agrees they were heavily edited. >> my question is why did you apologize. >> planned parent hood provides services to 2.7 million each year, mostly low income women. that includes 327,000 abortions. no federal money is used for abortion but planned parent hood does get help. $530 million a year. much of that through medicaid. >> we don't just get a big check from the federal government. we like other medicaid providers are reimbursed directly.

>> if we don't continue this life saving servicewomen will be denied health care across this great nation. >> and its leader who seemed unphased by tough questions. >> the disrespect here today tells us what is really going on here. >> sure, you don't expect us to be easier on you because you're a woman. >> absolutely not. that's not how my momma raised me. >> this audience appreciates political trivia. her mother was former governor of texas. what we seen unfold was the fact that republicans were trying to shine a light on the idea that planned parent hood has a lobbying arm and it also does a lot of private fundraising to support its services raising the question does it really need federal money and as you saw democrats believe that is essential money and not just through the medicaid money but

other coursources of medicaid m. they're providing services and going to get that opportunity to reimburse through medicaid. they are able to raise private money as well. this is going to continue. today is suppose to be the big headline. it is and what's happened? speaker john boehner and one of the last acts before they head out the door said they will not allow planned parent hood funding be the issue that trips up continuing operations. this fight will continue again and again but in terms of government shut down which has a dead line of midnight tonight, not expected to be a hiccup at this point. we expect the senate and house to vote for a ten week extension but that's a big deal. >> what's become the flair up of this culture world is the question whether or not federal dollars should go to planned parent hood. what are the odds it's defunded? >> well, they will try in terms

of conservativingings in the ho to go at it a different way. then separately to use the budgeting process over time to try to pull back some of the funding that's not the direct medicaid reimbursement you're talking about and title 10 funding. it's possible but you still have democrats who are in the majority in the senate and that makes it almost impossible with a democrat in the white house and enough democrats in the senate to see any kind of real change for planned parent hood. this is one of those issues that the debate over time is part of a not only culture war but over time if the public view shift we could see it. don't expect any big change right away. >> kelly up early with us in washington. thanks so much. appreciate it. >> $530 million of taxpayer

money is a lot of money. >> this is the debate. i think planned parent hood whether you're pro choice or pro life has to answer for disturbing content in the video. >> it's a fake video. >> the carly fiorina had whether it's -- watch the ones they don't deny came from their clinics. their medical director speaking in a manner about what is a legal fetal research program is disturbing whether you're pro choice or pro life. i think carly deserves credit. she's getting a lot of blame for con flating some footage with whether the undercover videos but i think she deserves a lot of credit. her challenge, her dare to republicans and democrats to watch these videos is one i took up. you cannot watch the videos without being disturbed. >> right but it's not a planned parent hood video. >> you're talking about one

video. let's say at this table we don't lie to each other. the videos online, cecil richards did not deny that a lot of those people are planned parntd hood figures. >> after she apologized for some of what was said. >> she can apologize but people should watch them and understand what happens in a fetal tissue donation program which they do receive reimbursement. >> fine. there should be things done about that. 3% of what planned parent hood does is abortions none of which are paid for by federal money. the $530 million they get is medicaid reimbursement or a program called title 10 which is to provide health care assistance to low income woman. >> the services to low income

women are admirable. whether you admire them or not, there's a lot on the videos they do not deny is from medical service providers and the planned parent hood medical director, it's disturbing. >> they keep talking about the edited videos. the full videos are available on the website as well. the edited video falls a part a little bit. what do you think as you watch the videos and this debate? >> certainly, i have watched the unedited portions of these videos and i'm pro choice. i've made no secret of that. that's something every time i talk about the videos. they're apalling, you listen to representatives of planned parntd hood discussing manipulating the fetis, you can see people talk about how they might be manipulating the books

and accounting so they can barter more or less fetal remains. whatever your position is on choice or pro life, if you watch these videos you must be disturbed and must want to see and understand more what is going on here. i take no position on whether or not laws have been broken. i can only say that it should be investigated. >> i would say i haven't seen the individuvideos. the discussion out videos is disturbing enough. >> is that why you haven't watched them? >> there's some things where i have to draw the line. >> self-preservation. >> to deal with as a human being. but. >> as a human being -- >> one sec. i cannot get to the point though where i say that planned parent hood should be completely defunded. they do so many other things providing health care to women. on my twitter feed yesterday

there was a woman who tweeted me and said thanks to planned parent hood i'm still alive. >> i've gotten the pill from planned parent hood. what i am saying is what you see on these videos is if you watch them and should as a human being as we're discussing this issue, you should watch and decide for yourself. >> amy, we are on the same page on that issue. what i'm saying is i then can't go the next step like a lot of the planned parent hood opponents and say it should be completely defunded. >> all right. let's move on to the united nations where president obama led a summit on countering isis around the world. he discussed the need to combat isis' ideology saying military pressure alone is not enough. >> it is not going to be enough to defeat them in the battlefield. we have the prevent it from radicalizing and recruiting

others. this means defeating their ideology. it's not defeated with guns, they're defeated by better ideas and more contracting and compelling vision. we're stepping up efforts to discredit their propaganda online. they're exposing them for what it is. a ban of terrorist that kills innocent men, women and children. >> after the president finished speaking they released a report on united states effort to combat isis. saying we are losing the struggle to stop americans from traveling over seas to join. more than 30,000 people from other countries has fled to conflict zones.

explain what you mean by that. >> well, putin in his speech monday to the united nations scolded the u.s. for its inability to stabilize iraq, syria and other countries where the u.s. encouraged a change of regime and said now you're trying to do it in syria too and the russians are coming into the syrian war on behalf of the president saying they're going to fight isis at a new military dimension we'll have to see what that means on the ground the

russians coming in on behalf of this sectarian regime that's used chemical weapons against their own people against an opposition. they will have new chances to recruit people. what the u.s. do as the russians move into it is a harder question. any assessment on what the u.s. has done over the year is a very negative assessment. the u.s. simply has not been able to deliver the promises it made a year ago. >> what are the russians though asserting themselves into syria? we know what happened with the russians and what happened to us in afghanistan. is there a similar threat russia gets sucked into syria in a situation they find themselves

difficult to distract from? >> the answer is yes. the headline on what i wrote this morning is welcome. the truth is the russians cannot win this militarily. the only bright spot is as putin gets in and makes a commitment and wants to be seen as solving the problem, he'll be forced of the diplomatic action the russians should have taken three years ago which helps bring the factions together and begins to create a transition to government. that's the only bright light i see. >> we had secretary john kerry here yesterday and john using the term that the president used at the u.n. which is managed

transiti transition. as best as you understand, how would that work, exactly? it's predicated on convincing him to leave. the departure is an outcome of the process and the process will be managed so as to bring elements to the opposition and elements of the serian government, the structure of the government together to begin to provide services in some of these areas where life is really broken down and refugees are fleeing. that's the managed part means you don't have to do the hardest things in the beginning. we'll manage that more smoothly. that means it will be more also. >> meanwhile, heavy fighting continues to rage in northern afghanistan today.

government forces are battling to regain control. they continued to express confidence in the country's security forces. afghanistan is not going anywhere. >> afghanistan is not going anywhere. my own reaction is i'm glad we have forces in afghanistan that can help the afghan hill -- military as its trying to become stronger to run the country so we don't have a collapse and huge crisis that would threaten the u.s. and its allies and region. i say that because in iraq it's

opposite. we left no troops or militaries behind. we seen what happened in iraq. >> david, this set back couples what you just described unfortunately, accurately. how does that effect the debate in congress about what we do moving forward the afghanistan? do we more likely stay or go? >> my guess is it makes it more likely congress will authorize sufficient funds for some force to stay. the idea of pumping back, serging back in afghanistan asks for a complete catastrophe. i think the chance is small. the number that military figures talk about that would allow us to assist the afghans on the order of 10,000, i think there will be support in congress for that. >> coming up as promised --

tomorrow's show jeb bush will be our guest. still ahead this morning, one of the lawmakers that grilled planned parent hood's president on capitol hill. plus the president of the syrian opposition joins the table. his battle against isis and the regime. first bill has a look at the forecast. >> just looking at the latest gfs computer model and the very latest out about 10 minutes ago has the storm as a hurricane coming on shore around north carolina, virginia boarder. we're going to continue to get this information and update you. if you live in the mid-atlantic region, now's the teem to be preparing. i'm sure people will be heading to the stores today. it's not guaranteed but you have those preps anyway if you live on the coast. this was the 5:00 a.m. advisory. 110 mile an hour hurricane,

close to a category three. it weakens as it heads north over cooler water. all our computer models are shows it out at sea. this is the american gfs model. this one goes out a week, two weeks in advance. it has heavy rain sunday morning. not etched in stone. a more statistically reliable model is the european model. any chance of flooding through the carolinas and mid-atlantic. here's the european model. here's what we're holding our hats on. this is the computer that nailed hurricane sandy and this one now is the outlier. it takes a storm towards bermuda. not the east coast. it's not etched in stone. it's definitely going to hit the

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let's take a look at the papers from the atlanta constitution. georgia has executed its only woman on death row despite last minute appeals up to the supreme court. kelly was given a he that will injection after midnight last night. even pope francis wrote via the vatican ambassador he was convicted of setting up the murder of her husband she was sentenced to life in prison. according to state witnesses before her death she prayed,

sobbed and started singing. >> she said she was sorry that amazing man lost his life because of her and once the excuse started she began singing amazing phrase and sang it all the way through. >> chicago tribune. september was the most violent month of the year for the city and most violent november in 2002. 14 people were shot in a 15 hour period. six of them later died. two consecutive weekends in chicago where more than 50 people were shot. >> two nights ago a pregnant mother was killed and her 11 month old survived a shot. wild west in chicago right now. from the new york times, lawyers for kim davis, the controversial kentucky county clerk said she had a private meeting with pope francis during his visit to the

united states. nbc news has not confirmed the me meeting according to the statement davis said pope francis thanked me for more courage. >> i know. i would be disappointed. >> i'm disappointed that the pope would do that. >> if that happened. >> i would be surprised. >> this is true or not i have to say i miss the pope. i loved his visit.

sub apologetic or the says i can't do this. >> there was a portion of the pope's speech to congress when he talked about families. he spoke about families in a way that was so open. we have to remember that there are gay people of faith, catholics of faith for whom words coming from the pope like that were comforting. so to hear that he might or might not have had a meeting with kim davis might sting.

>> edwin snoden joined twitter. within two hours he gained more than 300,000 followers. that's almost up to willies. actually willie has more. snoden's first tweet borrowed a line from the popular verizon commercial, can you hear me now? snoden is only following one account at the moment. the nsas. >> still going with the hear me now jokes though? it's a little 2008. from the san francisco chronicle, justin made mlb

history yesterday. she became the first woman to coach men's players in 2009 when she served as the first base coach. >> i think that's cool. you it's awesome. there were a couple of nba teams. fantastic. >> okay. from the new york times. ralph lauren staepiepping down the chief executive of the accompany whose taken his name. >> i had the honor of meeting him at his restaurant last week. the clip you just showed of him walking down the runway, that's his uniform.

to see the man who invented this style that every aspires to was really, really quiet an honor. it was shocking news. i didn't hear about this until i saw it this morning on way too early. >> also, the great american story. son of immigrants grew up in the bronx. >> and built this incredible accompany. she was able to be the chief executive. the companies split and somebody runs the business and somebody designs jonathan's clothes and he was able to do both and build this huge accompany. >> absolutely. coming up, we are checking the math as promised on donald trump's tax plan. some say the numbers don't add up. steve has answers with his charts. we'll be back with more morning joe. ideas are scary. they come into this world ugly and messy.

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donald trump rolled out his tax plan and getting a little criticism. they said trump's plan would cost $12 trillion over the next few years. the trump campaign responded that the analysis quote largely ignores most of the plans paid fors but accounting for that, their figures seem wildly off the mark especially compared to how they scored similar provisions for jeb bush's plan. bush said finally saw trump's

tax plan. i'm flattered. that's from jeb bush. >> if we take a look at the differences you can see in the first chart as we see here, trump trumps bush's tax plan. that comes from a nonpartisan source. he talks about the pays for. >> he said he would take a cleaver to federal agencies. >> just telling you what he spit out there. >> which is about five times what bush came up with. bush had a 20% marginal rate.

this is one place they do different. trump would give 34% to the top 1%. bush gave 52% of his tax cuts. both of them promising huge economic growth from this. bush was wildly criticized for a 4% growth. trump, of course, has to take that up a notch and he's claiming 6% growth which is really unachievable. >> can i ask you, if this is trump's world and we're just living in it and this becomes law, what happens? what are the scenarios? could the economy grow? >> no. never? >> this could never happen? >> 6% growth? >> yes. >> it could never happen. let's take a look at what this

means for an individual american. he was going to make them pay. he's actually giving them $185,000 tax cut. even if you taxed carried interest they end up better off. that's about twice what bush was offering. if you quickly look at the last chart you can see how this effects the incomes. people in the bottom have an increase. people at the top depending whether you buy into trump or

bush have a 12-20% increase. the plan is different than what we've been hearing. >> what about the aspect where companies would be forced to bring money back to the united states. >> he's cut their taxes which some of us would say they should pay their fair share. >> we need to lower rates and find a way to get the money back from over seas. one other small thing that hasn't gotten attention is many small businesses are taxed as

individuals at 39.6. i don't think it's a thoughtful approach to solving the problem of over seas money. >> do you think jeb bush's comes closer? >> jeb bush's comes a lot closer. it's reasonable in size. trump's would just be. >> like all things trump. >> like all things trump. we have a budget deficit where you knowing at 500 billion a year at the moment and he's talking about a $10 trillion tax cut on top of that. >> jeb bush will be with us tomorrow on this very show. still ahead around the corner is the type of bitter partisanship you see on capitol hill. getting a start on college campuses. surprising new findings on the state of political discourse at yufrtss.

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it seems world leaders are waiting on joe biden to announce a possible presidential run. last but not least i give the floor to foreign affairs and the european union. >> vice president. let me thank you for the invitation. >> vice president biden smiled during the slip up.

>> a lot of humor at the u.n. joining us now the institute of politics. over the weekend john moderated a focus group of 57 students to get views on politics. good to see you. good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> what's the big take away? >> well, they described the leader among the most politically engaged young people in america. they described the system somewhere on the axis of highly inefficient and corrupt. bad news. good news is though they weren't satisfied with the system and they were rolling up their sleeves and everyone's going to work their way through that and change politics from the ground up. that's what made me leave with a more optimistic feeling than when i went in.

>> on the spectrum, is it idea logical? >> it's discontent on both sides driven a lot i think by money and driven a lot frankly by the early start of this campaign which hasn't been addressing the issues that they feel are highly tangible and credibly important in their lives. >> doesn't this speak to the people succeeding right now in this campaign whether it's bernie sanders or donald trump or ben carson. they can put in that camp too. people are not politicians. >> they're topping into and what they talked about, i could feel that from them but they also wanted specifics, detailed policies about the future and not about acocomplishmentsaccom >> how representative is this of college students and you talk about people who want to be a part of the survey?

>> that's the dangerous part. these are the most engaged folks who are the most cynical about the process. this is not representative of all. this is a focus group of a few dozen folks from a few dozen universities. >> did you say arizona state? >> i said arizona state. >> wow. >> john, you said you came out of this process more hopeful than when you went in and i'm just wondering if you feel like these folks, even though they're cynical about the process, do they feel like they can change things? they're the my lineals. >> it's about making sure they vote and their peers and friends

vote. folks in the room not representative of everyone. >> their charts mirrors who we're talking about. >> we can see there's 25 million me lineals engaged in politics last week. they interacted and engaged with donald trump. folk may agree or disagree. >> he's on twitter all day. >> does he have greater name i.d. among these younger voter sns. >> greater name i.s. d. some of the samples are small in the early stage and he's certainly right in there at this point. >> one of the things that's jumped off the page to me is

being discouraged. >> we saw folks from the left as well as the right talk about they didn't have a safe space on politics. they felt discouraged and not cool for doing that. that's a concern administrators listen to and try to find more opportunity for conversation, debate and dialogue. >> this is such a fascinating study. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> coming up, iowa, iowa, iowa. governor chris christie picks up support. we'll be back on morning joe. you can use whipped topping made with hydrogenated oil... ...but real joyful moments are shared over the real cream in reddi-wip. ♪

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president obama and putin had lunch yesterday. a guess things went well based on this warm hand shake when it was all over. take a look.

>> take care. it was even more weird when obama looked down and was holding putin's hotel key. excuse me. let me slip into something more comfortable. >> something more comfortable. welcome back to morning joe. it's wednesday, september 30th. with me this hour mike barnical, steve, bill fritz, amy and david. a lot coming up this who. governor chris christie joins us here. bill clinton defending hillary clinton against attacks with

trump. and has donald trump lost tom brady? that's the lead question of the day. >> we'll get to it. >> it's huge. it's big. >> let's begin at the u.n. where president obama led a summit focused around the world. he discussed the need to combat isis' ideology saying military pressure alone is not enough. >> it's not going to be enough to defeat isil in the battlefield. we have to keep it from others and violence in the first place. ideologies are not defeated with guns. they're defeated by better ideas. more attractive and compelling vision. we're stepping up our efforts to discredit isil's propaganda, especially on line. the help and center is exposing isil for what it is. a ban of terrorist that kill

innocent men, women and children. >> shortly after the summit, they released a report on the united states effort to report isis. saying we are losing the struggle to stop americans from traveling over seas to join. nearly 30,000 people from more than a hundred countries have travelled to conflict zones since 2011 and more westerners have joined including 250 americans. several goes on to report they manage to make it back to the united states. >> secretary of state was with us and when he was asked if he could conceive of a time and phase where the united states would be aligned with russia in fighting isis, he said he could see that at some spaj happening. what do you think? >> well, i think if the russians are prepared to play some real

diplomatic cards and create conditions for transition they would be an essential partner. it's tough to read what putin wants here, whether he's looking for small propaganda victories against the west, whether he would like to play a more decisive military role in the region as a whole or whether he would like to be seen as a diplomat playing a great game as much as he did and helping the u.s. broker the chemical weapons agreement. the honest answer is we don't know yet. i think there's a lot of anxiety in the region about the u.s. seeming to step back and now the russians stepping forward. both are destabilizing. >> we tried to get it yesterday with john kerry. i'm not sure we got a satisfying answer. on the one hand, the united

states at the u.n. saying it must go. on the other hand you have putin saying they're the partner and he's the one fighting isis and we should link up with him. how do the americans and russians work together? >> here's the truth that is not spoken. the u.s. wants isad to go but not too soon. there's a growing recognition that catastrophic success as people sometimes put it, the sudden collapse of the regime could lead effectively to a government in government. that's one reason for the slowing you've seen in u.s. policy, the recognition we need to understand better what comes after before we push him out the door. i think that's one reason why there might be grounds for the

u.s. and russia to work together because they share this idea that for the immediate future you need to stability that the regime provides even if they're a figure of the u.s. regards of great distaste. >> can i just ask you a bottom line question. how big of a national security threat to the united states is is isis? i think it is, a lot of people think it is. what do you think? >> i think it's more of a threat to our european allies to friends in the middle east than friends in the united states. it's a long way away. there have been relatively few americans who have been moving to join the fight in syria and north africa. that's not true for european countries vpt they've had hundreds and thousands of people who are in these battle spaces who are coming back to britain, to france, to belgium.

>> is there a possibility they could come back to us in the homeland. >> certainly there's a number of americans who have been there. muslims tend to feel they have a chance to succeed here. i think it's a big problem. i think the idea that you just sort of walk away from it and let these people sort it out, i think that would be in the long run quiet threatening to the u.s. >> hey david, it's steve. this morning you wrote in your column about the idea of safe havens in the era to protect refugees. i was with a senior, former governor the other day who was somewhat skeptical about that idea. he talked about international law and the fact we don't have a

u.n. revolution and then perhaps the question of whose going to defend these enclaves. presumably, we're not going to send boots on the ground. it's not obvious our allies are prepared to. do you think this works in practice? there is a way to establish the safe haicvens that will be effective? >> i think it's going to be complicated. i think the hardest part is how you're going to protect the area so the people feels safe. i am struck by the growing feeling in europe that something must be done to reduce the flow of refugees from syria into europe. i find many more europeans want to talk about this idea of safe zones now than they did six months ago because they see in the absence of something like this that holds the serian population, the situation gets worse and worse. i think the key would be for the russians to recognize that the

army with russian plains and support are not going to be able to take these. somehow they have to be turned into something safer. i hope people think about it. >> putin is now taking over what we started and he's going into syria and frankly wants to fight isis. i said that a year ago. if he wants to fight isis, let him. why do we always have to do everything? personally, i've been looking at the different players and watching and i've been good at this stuff over the years and

i'm looking saying maybe he's better than the kind of people we're suppose to be backing. >> once putin gets in and fights isis on behalf of isad putin runs syria. he owns it, he'll never get out. >> fine, we can be in syria. do you want to run syria? >> over the weekend trump gave a similar answer when asked about russia taking the lead about isis in syria prompting this response from chris christie at a town hall in iowa. >> mr. trump last night said let's leave isis alone. let isad and the russians take care of that and we'll clean up afterwards. sounds my teersly to me like what the clintons said about al qaeda. then al qaeda made their way here. >> we'll be hearing much more from governor chris christie in a few minutes on morning joe. meanwhile, senator marco rubio is continuing to attack trumps. >> this is a tough job.

you're going to be criticized and you can't flip out every time somebody says something about you. that's his problem. i don't have to analyze that. that's the reality. he had a bad week. got booed and had very few show up to an event. just today tom brady said he's not endorsing donald trump. he's a sensitive guy. that's fine. that's his problem. >> senator rubio referring to a radio interview new england patriot's star tom brady gave saying people got carriedw away. he reacted this way. >> it's still a ways from the election and whatever i vote is going to be my own personal choice based on how i feel so i don't know what the issues are. i haven't paid attention to politics in a long time. i've been, it's actually not something i've really even enjoyed. it's way off my radar.

>> he does have a make america great again hat in his locker though. if you go back to the marco rubio sound bite, he sounded like donald trump talking about other people finding a place of weakness saying he's an insecure guy. >> he's going at donald trump's vanity. you go after donald trump calling him sensitive, insecure, he wants everyone to like him. this is not the first time he's done this to donald trump and it's perfect. it's sort of like that scene in star wars at the end when they're trying to find that little hole to destroy the death star. marco rubio has found it. this is it. >> marco rubio is a guy, they believe when the dust settles he may well be the guy left

standing. >> notice how he back pedals. he'll say i didn't really mean that. he's much as full of bluster and insult. when he's caught up on it, he tends to back pedal. >> you know something else he does, he goes after the wounded. so now he's attacking rand paul. >> he's a loser. >> he should just get out and all his supporters should come to me. notice he's not going back after marco rubio after marco rubio hits him hard. >> back to the rubio thing, i heard rubio interviewed in a group again, i think of

sophisticated people and he's come a long way. i don't agree with everything he said but he took a lot of specific tough questions. >> we heard richard haas say the same thing. president clinton defending secretary of state. this time asked to respond directly to attacks from donald trump. >> when you look at the job hillary did as secretary of state, she goes down as perhaps the worst secretary of state in the history. when i run against her in the poles i'm doing well against her and beating her. if you look throughout the world during her reign and the reign of obama, the whole world is blowing up. we've lost friendships, we've lost everything. >> the thing about branding is you don't have to be, you can be

fact free. if he becomes -- he'll have to sort of hone his criticisms more finely because the facts will be easy to marshall. you know, he's good at this. that's what he does and the people that he is telling it to now basically have only heard that story so they believe it and it's probably good politics for him. he asked her to come to his wedding when he found out we were in florida and i can't tell you how many times he told me what a wonderful job she did in new york after 9/11. >> the president of the planned parent hood questioned by the house and government reform committee. this comes as republicans are trying to defund the women's health organization after release of videos after an anti

abortion group. yesterday she gave her strongest review yet. >> the latest smear campaign is based on efforts by our components. >> based on heavily doctored video are offensive and categorically untrue. >> is what you said in your video untrue? you weren't apologizing for statements made? >> i was apologizing for what was said in a nonclinical setting in a nonappropriate way. i don't believe. >> you did it both ways. we may have to agree to disagree on this matter. >> i think you're not answering my question.

>> why do you need federal dollars? you're making a ton of doe. you're using federal dollars and displacing money that could go to the 13,000 health care clinics. my time is up. >> planned parent hood has long said abortions are a small part of its services. here's what happened when they questioned on one type in particular. >> you created this law. i have no idea what it is. >> it's the reduction. the red is the increase in abortions. that's what's going on in the organization. >> this is a slide that's never been shown to me before. i'm happy to look at it. it absolutely does not reflect what's happening at planned parent hood. >> you're going to deny if we take those numbers out of your

report. >> we've provided you all the information about everything, all the services that planned parent hood provides and we're trying to get to the truth here. i'm happy to look at this. >> i pulled those numbers out of your reports. >> this is an anti abortion group. i would check your source. >> we will get to the bottom of the truth of that. >> thank you for being with us. i understand you were not impressed by richard's testimony yesterday. do you feel closer today than yesterday to getting planned parent hood defunded? >> i think what happened yesterday was once again we saw the face of planned parent hood. as you know in my bill what i said was we would defund planned parent hood until the investigations were done within

the next year. we feel clearly there are questions about the activities that are happening behind those closed doors that are illegal activities. what i said to miss richards yesterday is if you claim what you're doing are your main mission which is what she said in her testimony and only 3% of your services are provided, why not suspend your abortion services so you can have your main mission which is by the way what i say is our main mission of what taxpayer dollars should be doing. >> this is jonathan. your bill defund planned parent hood act, why wouldn't anyone think this would be blocking access to care. on my twitter feed i hear from people, a lot of people recently including this morning after we talked about the beginning of the show where she said her

precancerous cervical cells were found in her 30s and she's grateful to planned parent hood for catching that for her. what do you say for women like that? >> there are lots and lots of other alternatives besides planned parent hood. >> planned parent hood is trying to put a message out there that if they went away all these women wouldn't have care. we would add an adegsal $235 million to those services that can then be given to all these other clinics providing these services which by the way are services more broad and beyond what's being provided at planned parent hood.

the federal government is not actually writing a check for half a billion dollars a year. >> this is a more complicated situation than what we're going to be able to discuss over this short period of time. they receive money from a number of pots. there's five of them. there's grant dollars, medicaid dollars and those dollars do come to them in various forms. one other thing i want to point you all to is take a look at the report, the government accountability report that came out earlier this year. in that report it talks about how it's difficult to say how they're getting their money and expanding their money. as a matter of fact, american taxpayer dollars are going over seas to other countries. is that helping the women in this country? if we want to help the women in

this country, let's make sure the money being provided by taxpayer dollars are going to the source helping women. that's what i want to do. if they believe that's their number one mission, suspend your abortion services until we can verify what's happening is not illegal activity. >> congresswoman, we played an extensive clip from earlier in the program yesterday and i would like to ask you about one extended period of questioning that went on between a couple of your colleagues and richards about her salary. with you recall drilling a guy about his salary as much as she was drilled about hers? >> actually we have.

this is not something totally unusable. it is investigation. that's our role and responsibility to do that especially when taxpayer dollars are being used to fund something. we have to make sure we're doing what we need to do for hardworking taxpayers to make sure their money is spent in the most appropriate bay. >> my bill passed. we still have other methods we can do to get this to the desk of the president so we can show the president we are serious about it in congress and what is he going to do to hold planned

parent hood accountable for their activities and potentially illegal activities. let's blow the whistle, look at the films and see if we get the decision correct. in the meantime, do they want to fund 97% of what their services are or do they want to provide the 3% of abortions. i think that's their decision to make. >> congresswoman diane black of tennessee. we appreciate your time this morning. thanks for being with us. >> still ahead on morning joe, are the world's leaders capable of taking on isis together? we'll have the president of the serian national coalition next and president shlg candidate chris christie joins the table in a few moments. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. that's where at&t can help.

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former state department supervisor, now the dean of john hopkins school of studies. gentleman, thanks for being with

us. we've been talking about america, russia, what's your view from the inside? what do you need to reach success? >> what we need the bombardment inside syria. we need protection and no fly zone. >> do you need american troops on the ground to help you? >> we fought the invasion and

extremi extremism. >> president putin and president obama laid out different visions this week what worries you and gives you hope? >> unfortunately, we have direction invasion incites. >> unforchau natalie, that's a terrible view. the russian invasion will demolish the process. >> how? >> we have now the russians helping the regime in order to kill more civilians and more syrians. we cannot continue a more political process why we are facing death inside syria. we don't think that the -- the

extreme fighters. >> do you have a different view of that with the russians in syria? >> it's correct. >> they're filling a vacuum that's been left by the west that's not been engaged in the process. the most important thing is that the russian intervention changes everything on the ground. you have a foreign force on the ground and it limits turkey to maneuver on the ground.

it puts tension and some ways the united states has been sidelined. it doesn't matter what we see in the u.n. i think they will probably end up putting many more troops on the ground and this is a commitment you'll see through. >> how much territory do the forces hold in syria? >> for now, they are controlled by 14% on the ground. the forces by sfa and some territories controlled by almost a 11% of the ground controlled. we are fighting and the regime on the different fronts. >> the washington post, david.

>> i wanted to ask you one of the big problems for the syrian operation has been internal division with different factions being supported by different countries. how do they reduce that one united syrian opposition? >> we as the syrian opposition coalition, we have different components, parts fading into oppositi opposition. we have the kurds, the muslims, so we are like a parliament. based on human rights and individual rights and collective rights for all of the

components. we need to channel this support throughout the political oppositi opposition. we need to create civil governments, not military governments in syria. >> if the russians ask you to come to moscow and talk about diplomatic options, would you do it? >> we can negotiate with the russians in order to make them give syria first and create protection for the people and then they start again, the political process. >> president obama moving too slowly on syria and drawing a red line on chemical weapons. what is your view from inside syria of the obama administrations policy there and whether or not it's been effective? >> unfortunate. the current approach is not

working. training few people is not working. we have thousands of fighters in syria fighting the prejeem. we have to make this, first make a training program faster and much bigger than now. we have to train the other oppositions not in this program and different programs and have to protect. protection means stability. if we keep like that, the regime and the extreme fighters are benefitting from the situations. in order to prevent that, we have to create stability in the three areas. strengthen the hand of opposition. we have now more than 70,000 fighters that are other than

exaggerated. >> so they're being pushed out. >> for a real point of view he just had the training of troops that spent an amount of money trying to train or retrain soldiers within syria. why hasn't it worked? who is responsible for the failure? us or him? >> you have to look at that careful carefully. there's an enormous amount of money put in. we haven't been able to train the right amount of fighters on the ground to have an impact on the fighting. but the failure is not on the military. it's also aside from rhetorical statements about what ought to happen in syria. we have done very little to diplomatically engage that if for instance you look at the record, putin has been doing a lot more meetings around syria with others trying to push the agenda than we have and we talk

about starting another round of talks but it hasn't happened. it shows a lack of resolve on our part. >> it's an issue. dean, thank you so much. thank you for being here. we hope you'll come back and keep us updated. thank you. we'll be right back with more morning joe. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪

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for the kids. >> no internet. >> exactly. what had been happening was, as we moved through the south the regular iraqi army was retreating to make the final stand in bagdad. they were going hut to hut coercing the poor farmers to fight us. and we were fighting these guys by the hundreds of thousands. the first major contact in the war was a place where we pushed through the city and set up a defensive perimeter north of the city at the time. i remember everyone was scared. we were all terrified, tired, hungry, hadn't eaten in a couple of days. i looked on the highway and saw a white car approaching our position from the north. they had just started doing suicide bombing missions. i grabbed three guys, ran toward the car and tried to get it stopped. it finally stopped and the iraqi man jumped out of the car and starts yelling and running at me. i am yelling at him on the ground to get on the ground.

>> you speak arab as well? >> i did at the time. he wasn't responding. as i lift my weapon up to take him out, i look behind him and see a large black military truck roll up behind the white car. six man in black roll up and start shooting into the car. he stops dead in his tracks, starts screaming and runs back to the car. then i realized what was happening. he was a poor farmer who was trying to escape across the lines to safety with his family because he didn't want to fight. i yelled at my guys to take them out. i ran to try to save the guy's family. by the time i got there it was too late. his wife had been shot in the face, the chest. she was slumped over dead. he had a baby girl in the back whose arm had been shot off, she had been shot in the head. he was cradling the body of his 6-year-old daughter who was shot in the stomach. i got very angry and had an awakening. i live in a world of choices, i

thought. what were this guy's choices when he week up this morning? he could watch his kids starve to death, strap a bomb to himself, run into our position. he didn't have any choices. >> that's a moment that changed your life and led you to your new organization. tell us what we can do. >> it's an innovative approach. we have a non-profit component and a for-profit component. our goal is to go into the countries and create self-sustaining locally led poverty programs that can sustain on their own independent of westerners and philanthropy. we build a for-profit company on the side that's separate. as it becomes profitable the profits are used to pay for the ongoing costs of the non-profit. we want to eradicate extreme

poverty and let the locals run the programs on their own. >> sustainability. >> exactly. >> you're a remarkable guy. goes without saying. >> thanks. >> given what we've said about you. for you to take that moment and turn it into something great for so many people. we hope more people will find out about nuru. thank you for your ongoing service to this country and to the world. >> thank you very much. coming up, new jersey governor chris christie. back in a moment.

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beautiful or not? i want to know. because somehow this seems to be something that donald thinks is a selling point, that it will be beautiful. you know it will have his name on it. that much you know for sure, right? maybe that's the way he thinks it will be beautiful. i don't know. who cares. it's impractical, too expensive and i have never seen a wall that a determined human being couldn't get over, under or around. so let's not kid ourselves that all we have to do is build a wall and that's going to fix all our problems. it isn't. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 30th. i'm mike barnicle. joe and mika back tomorrow. this hour we have the lovely nicole wallace. economic analyst, steve, the best dressed man in american television. jonathan. >> is he lovely also? >> yes. >> he is best dressed.

>> thank you, governor. >> i am standing up for you. >> we have more. >> we have more. wait, there's more. >> associate editor for the "washington post," the incredibly well groomed, david ingles. >> this is great. >> it's fabulous. mets fans, friends everywhere. >> you look lovely today yourself. >> now i know you're going too far. >> you had a lovely moment at the last debate when you took the camera off yourself and put it on the crowd. i feel like our whole field is talking too much about themselves, especially the guy at the top, and not enough about what's on voters' minds. you seemed to try to take that on with your dear d.c. campaign. >> people are frustrated. all this conversation about why are people reacting the way they do. look at what's going on in washington. first, the president told them, gave me a democratic congress we'll change the world. he didn't. we had a split congress.

give the house to republicans we'll hold the republicans' feet to the fire. didn't do that. give us the republican senate, the whole congress and we'll really change things. nine months of that and nothing has happened. american people are saying what's going on down there. we're sick and tired of it. >> what's #deardc. >> send us a note of what you want us to say to washington d.c. we'll edit them heavily, nicole. don't worry about that. even for me. we want people to know that we're going to be a conduit for them to talk to the powers that be in washington d.c. and say, you know, we're going to make sure that they start to do their job. or at least be held to account for not doing it. that's what's happened to me in new jersey. i am held to account every day in that state, given the political circumstances and the media coverage. we want to hold everybody else to the same standard. >> you can't, then, be happy about what happened to speaker bo boehner.

it's another step toward dysfunctionality. >> ultimately, steve, that was his decision. in the end, he has endured those pressures before. i think everyone has seen john boehner as someone who knows how to work the halls of washington d.c. >> he couldn't have gotten re-elected without democratic support, he would have been a very odd speaker, that he was there because of democrats and not because he had enough support in his own party. >> ultimately, i know that's what the speculation was. i don't know that that's what it would have come down to. it doesn't matter because he walked away because he didn't want to be the issue. that's a mature approach to it. now we're going to see who the new leader will be. would the american people care? i said this is like "game of thrones". they don't care. do they really care who the speaker is? they care why isn't tax reform on the president's desk? if the president wants to veto republican tax reform, let him do it. it should be on his desk. why isn't a repeal and

replacement of obamacare on his desk? if he wants to veto it, he will. it sets the parameters of the election. we're doing nothing. looks like the republicans are obstructionists, not the president. we need to put things on his desk. they won't do it. >> one of the problems, governor, you have a republican congress, house and senate but you have an intractable group of people, the so-called freedom caucus in the house that have stymied anything the speaker has tried to do, or incoming speaker kevin mccarthy who was the majority whip, who had to pull bills from the floor because of conservatives. if dear dc is supposed to be a conduit for people to express frustrations are washington. if the american people send you to washington, how will you deal with the faction of your party that would then have the house and potentially keep the senate, with you in the white house, how do you exert your will over these people who have shown that they couldn't care less about

leadership, compromise or getting anything done? >> charm, good looks and gentle persuasion. you know, it's what every executive faces, right. in new jersey we have the same type of split in our republican caucus, both in the senate and the assembly. those who are more conservative and more moderate. i have vetoed over 400 bills now. 52 times the democrats have tried to override me and they're 0 for 52. i know how to keep my republican caucus together. we vetoed more tax increases than any governor in history and held it all together. you have to bring the same approach to washington. one of the things people are more frustrated by is the filibuster in the senate. this is something that has to go by the wayside. the american people don't understand why they gave the republicans the majority in the senate and at one time they gave the democrats the majority in the senate, yet they both look at them and say we can't get anything done because we need 60

votes. >> right. >> republicans who are sticking by the filibuster have a loser mentality. i mean, they are saying, i want to keep the filibuster. in case we go to the minority i want that. how about when you have the majority and want things done, put it on the president's desk and make him make decisions. that would be the right way to go. a lot of things are frustrating people. the rules in the senate that really the american people say, majority is a majority. and let's face it, the democrats found a way around it to pass obamacare. >> are you stuck at 3% because you're talking about things like the filibuster, which aren't that exciting. >> i'm talking about the filibuster because that's his question. >> it wasn't exactly my question. >> it was the ballpark of your question. >> i watch you on c-span and i see the whole range of -- you go entitlement reform. entitlement reform, filibuster,

senate rules. i mean, you really are as wonky as anyone in the race. is part of what's happening on our side -- i mean, the guy at the top isn't. how do you break out and get this message to the american people and get elected? >> time and hard work. everybody would love to be in first place all the time. then everybody would be asking you how can you stay there? it's a long way away. how do you stay there? it's hard work. many people get to know me better, and talking about the things that i think are really important. we don't usually talk about the filibuster on c-span. every once in a while. we talk about entitlement reform, the fact that we need to strengthen the military, a different approach or foreign policy. i usually only talk for 15 minutes. the meetings are two hours. the other hour and 45 minutes are what people are asking me. that's the approach we're going to take. that's what wins ultimately. you know, nicole. what wins is hard work in the

early states, letting people get to know you and having a message that resonates with people. i'm not going to have a problem in january or february. >> before we get to david in washington who will have a smart question, i have a dumb question. i'm on the new jersey turnpike trying to get to the vince lombardi rest area without blowing out a tire. the republicans have the highway bill coming up for passage, hopefully a six-year passage at the end of october. in the highway bill there is a trigger for a federal gas tax increase to fund all the projects. the country is falling apart. federal gas tax i don't think has been raised since about 1993 or '94. would you sign a bill calling for like a one or two cent increase in the federal gas tax. >> i think there is a better way to do it, mike. and congressman ryan is talking about that. the repay treeation of the 2 plus trillion dollars in

american corporate profits offshore. in our plan we call for 8 3/4% taxation of that. using that to fund infrastructure would be a better way to go. you then get the funding for infrastructure and a repaytration of that money to help create american jobs. that's the better way to go. we'll all be struggling it issues of infrastructure. in new jersey we spend $1.6 billion a year on infrastructure improvements. we're going to have to deal with our transportation trust fund in the next year and a half and confront those issues. >> the infrastructure problem is not a one-time problem. we've cut our infrastructure spending in half in real terms over the last 20 years. why wouldn't you put a significant -- not even one or two cents, significant gas tax to both help with the global warming problem, to help with the energy use problem and to fund a continuing program of

highway repairs, infrastructure and other formation of transportation? >> i disagree with points two and three. we have a fundamental disagreement about whether we need to raise gas taxes to deal with the global warming problem. i don't agree with that. the fact is you're right. it's going to be an ongoing issue. i think we have an opportunity right now not to have to raise gas taxes, to let the american people have the enjoyment of the lower gas prices, have them be able to spend money on other things in the economy to help keep the economy moving along and maybe get it to improve and to get the money back into the united states in a way that will help also create american jobs. steve, my view is that there is an opportunity for you to get more good out of doing this than just the narrow way that you're talking about. and so i think that's the way to fix the problem as it confronts us today. in the states we're going to have to deal with this in other ways as well. >> now, as promised -- >> the smart question. >> david. >> he has asked me lots of smart questions in the past. i'll gear myself up now, david.

>> get ready. >> a lot of pressure, baby. >> i want to ask you a foreign policy question i asked donald trump on this show several weeks ago. if you were president, would you tear up the iran nuclear agreement, or would you try to make it work? and do you in fact think that it can work? >> i don't think it can work, david. i would tell you this. i would start off our administration with two very clear messages to the iranians. the first one is that you are never, ever going to get a nuclear weapon and that we will do everything that we have to do, including the use of military force, to prevent you from getting a nuclear weapon. secondly, the christie administration would be for regime change in iran. the same way we're for a regime change in the soviet union. the fact is we need to be for regime change in iran. this is an ill legitimate regime.

it stones women and hangs people from cranes in the public square because of their sexual orientation. it's an ill legitimate and illegal regime. by the time i become president 18 months from now they will have already violated the agreement. no question in my mind about that. you have to determine how you deal with a violation of the agreement. >> how would our allies respond to your, in fact, tearing up that agreement? we've negotiated this with all of the permanent members of the security council at our side? >> we're going to have to sit down and talk with them about it. that's what american leadership is. you know what it looks like right now? vladimir putin is kicking us out of syria. imagine. the president spent an hour and a half with him yesterday. when they came out he kicked us out of syria. what we're absolutely doing, what we're doing now, he's saying to us, if we want to do the type of bombing routines and the rest we're doing to combat

isis, he wants us to stop. that's what putin is saying today, that's what he said after an hour and a half with the president of the united states. the president must have been intimidating because putin comes out and ups the ante. >> i want you to win to see you in a bi-lat with putin. >> if putin is crazy, well, then we need to have a president who knows how to deal with a crazy person. and this president seems to believe that everybody is rational in the world. and that he is going to deal with people based upon that rationality. not everyone in the world is rational. they need to understand american strength will be deployed against those who act irrationally. 40 years ago saddam kicks the russians out of the middle east. we invited them back in. now they're teaming with iran and they're never going to

leave. the american people need to understand this is a major problem. the idea that russia should take on isis? seriously, we're going to trust russia to take on isis and isis won't come and attack us. >> the syrians don't think it's a good idea. what's going on in your campaign on the ground? 3% in the polls. you're still picking up endorsements. sounds like you're making the sale on the trail. how do you get from 3% to the nomination? >> it's hard work and time, you know. there is no one breaking out in this race. nobody. listen, jeb bush was supposed to be the enormous, you know, juggernaut frontrunner. >> do you view him as your main competition in your bracket? >> of course. he is at 7. the margin of error in the poll is 5. seriously, what's the difference, right? all of a sudden, at 3%, i'm not doing well but at 7% jeb bush is killing it. >> i didn't say that. i said trump is 23 points

ahead -- 20 points ahead of all you guys. >> if donald trump remains at 23%, he remains at 23%. >> nothing you can do about it. >> there is nothing you can do about it in october. >> will you support him as the nominee if he -- >> of course i will. i support whoever the republican is. >> we all believe it will be better than the democrat. >> we have to believe that. we have to believe that or we can't be republicans. i mean, the same way, if you ask the democrats, are you going to support bernie sanders over any other -- any republican? i think most democrats would say yes, even though they might have some misgivings about senator sanders, you know. i said most democrats, i think, would probably say yes. so listen, the way you do this, nicole, is you have a compelling message, and you go out and you work it. and you don't expect that, in iowa and new hampshire, where four years ago 68% of them made the decision in the last week. so why should i be worried about what it looks like in october.

if i do that, i won't be able to get out of bed in the morning. i will be in the fetal position, for god's sake. let's get real about this. if campaigns didn't matter, let's just make it like the student council election. you declare and everybody votes the next day. that's not the way it works. free lunch and all the rest. >> come back. >> looks like you at city stadium. october 9th. >> that's what it looks like, baby. don't you worry about that. i've been waiting -- listen, ever since they blew a seven-game lead with seven to go in 2007 i have been waiting for th this. we'll be lets's go mets-ing for the month of october. let me ask you this question. how do you feel about the world series going into november? >> i don't like it. >> i don't either. >> shorten the schedule. go back to 154 games. >> jonathan, that's the way you do it in washington. bringing people together.

>> governor, you know why it is? two rational actors. if you become president, you'll have an irrational faction to deal with on capitol hill. >> is the camera on me? jonathan cape hart called me a rational actor. i want that noted. i want it noted. >> oh, no! >> if i am the nominee in the fall of '16 running against hillary i'm going to come back on this program and look at you and say, how can you say these things about me, jonathan? in september you said i was rational. >> i look forward to being in your ads. >> that's going to be great. >> the iranians just wrote that down. >> governor chris christie, thanks very much. >> thank you so much for your very smart question. >> thank god for you. still ahead on "morning joe" we'll tell you about the new global competition putting $20 million up for grabs. plus, of all the groups fighting in syria, american-backed rebels are perhaps the weakest. we'll ask former ambassador chris hill if it's time for a complete overhaul in united states strategy.

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this is a bipartisan report. the terrorists don't check our party affiliation, but the facts are the facts. the fact is we're losing in this fight against isis. the foreign fighter travel to the region has increased greatly. 5,000 western passports. hundreds of americans have travelled there. many have come back and so the threat to the homeland is real, not only from foreign fighter travel but radicalization over the internet. so what we don't have is a strategy. >> that was chairman of the house homeland security committee speaking to andrea mitchell yesterday about a new congression report on the spread of isis. joining us from dfsh, former united states ambassador to iraq. dean of international studies a the university of denver, ambassador christopher hill and msnbc foreign correspondent is here at the table. ambassador hill, there is a lot

of moving parts as we all know in that section of the world, the middle east, iraq, iran, the kurds, the turks. but now in syria, with the insertion of a russian presence on the ground, what does that speak to in terms of our policy or, as some would claim, our lack of policy? >> well, i frankly, sorry to say i think it speaks to the latter. to some extent i think the russians are reading some of the same kinds of reports that we are reading which is that the fact against isis is not going well. you have to remember, four years ago we said we would not deal with bash aer al assad. i think we ended up fighting somebody without fighting in favor of anyone else. so i think the consequence is you can't replace something with nothing. i think right now isis is in a growing and a stronger position. it doesn't mean it can't be dealt with, but i think there needs to be a much stronger

diplomatic side to all of this. we need to find someone we're going to support. you know, 20 years ago we had the dayton peace accords. i remember in the last week of it ambassador holbrooke and i went in to see milosevic. we had a map drawn up, a constitution done, an election schedule, plans for nato troops and that's when we told milosevic we will not allow the bosnian-serb leadership to participate in the process. he said, why are you doing that? it's terrible. you'll make these people into heroes, but finally he accepted it. i think the problem is we did it here in the opposite way. we said we're not going to deal with certain people. that was way in advance of having any concept of what the political arrangements going forward would look like. so i think we did it kind of backwards. i think we're paying for that today. >> ambassador hill, i was curious to get your thoughts on terms of the syrian oppositions

who by boamost measures are not capable of taking the fight to the assad regime. what options does the u.s. have in terms of providing technical military assistance to people on the ground who the u.s. seems, they want them to fight isis more than they want them to fight the assad regime. all the people i've been speaking to is their main fight is against the assad regime who are killing 95% of the people killed in syria at this point. >> no question the assad regime has killed the majority of people and created the majority of refugees. there needs to be a political arrangement going forward, i think. there need to be people who will sign up to the concept that we're going to have some kind of decentralized syria, international borders, et cetera. we need people to sign up to that. to the equivalent of what we did in bosnia called a contact group plan. until you have some political way forward where people who

sign up can be then defined as moderates, i think you're going to have a hard time finding anybody to be on our side. so i think the problem is that we've certainly vilified and for good reason, assad. but people don't like to participate in a process which includes digging their own grave. that's kind of what we've put the alawite government in the position of doing. the consequence is we have no allies on the ground. that is a big problem for us. the russians don't have the problem. they're happy to support the existing government. by the way, they're worried about the same thing we are, that as people are coming out of russia, participating in this and going back to places in russia such as chechnya. there are a lot of issues that i think need to be looked at. one does get the sense that secretary kerry has kind of stepped it up with the russians to see what we can do, if possible, do something together. >> ambassador, steve rattner.

you have been stressing the diplomatic approach to this. but i'm not sure who we're going to have diplomatic negotiations with. yes, secretary kerry is talking to the russians. obviously the president's meeting with putin doesn't seem to have gone very well. putin seems to be doing what he wan wants. i think a news flash said they're starting air strikes in syria. the iraqi government is not really our friends. i'm not sure how a diplomatic solution -- who do we talk to? >> eventually the war will end. the question is are we prepared to accept an end game in which isis takes over. i don't think we are. so i think what we need to do is continue to talk to like-minded and even unlike-minded countries that have an interest in this, this includes russia. you're right. the meeting, from what we can tell, didn't go well. we cannot limit this to one

meeting and chalk it up to a meeting that didn't go well and forget about dealing with the russians. this is a process. this is going to be meetings every day. and we need to figure out if we can have some common territory with them. clearly the alawites, the current regime in syria. they have to have a place at the table. they're not just going to go away. they've been there four years. they've gotten more support than we ever thought. remember, part of the problem four years ago was we had, once again, intelligence reports that were suggesting the wrong things, suggesting that assad would be gone within a couple of weeks. he is not gone. he is still there. so we need to somehow de-emphasize this issue of getting rid of assad. that's a political hit for the president. won't be fun for him at all to be able to do that. you've got the sense in his u.n. speech he was trying to do that. but something like that has to happen. and if, as you suggest, we have absolutely no friends or allies in the country, then maybe we

ought to just pack it up. because at the end of the day there are going to be syrians there, and we need to find some syrians we can work with, if not call our friends. >> ambassador hill, we have the president of the syrian opposition here, president khoja. he described a scenario terrifying to me. russian soldier is killed in syria, then the russian military, more openly and on its face, joins forces with assad to crush the opposition. isn't that the nightmare scenario we're facing with the developments this week? >> i think having russians on the ground is a real set-back for our interests in the region. and i think the way to deal with that is to be there and be active and be prepared to talk to a lot of different parties. our issue was we ruled out talking to the assad government. and we like to say we ruled out talking to assad but we'll talk to the government, but i think it's a little hard to bifurcate

assad from his government. so one of the problems is we really don't have an interlocutor. we have people, syrian opposition, many of whom have spent their lives overseas. they are not necessarily calling the shots within syria. that's part of our problem. clearly, we have to re-look our diplomacy there and look at what we can do to kind of de-emphasize the issue of assad and, you know, no one is more upset by what we see every day from the assad government than i am. but the idea that we're not going to talk to him, we of course can't talk to isis, we can't talk to al nusra. then we talk to some syrian moderates whose definition of being moderate we don't really have because we have no real political plan going forward. >> ambassador, chris hill. this is kind of depressing, but we still thank you. thank you. stick around, please.

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budget-wear takes over one of the biggest fashion names in the business, guys. a lot of headlines to talk about. back to you. >> dominic chu. thank you. a global competition for climate change. the x prize foundation offering $10 million to teams around the world to develop breakthrough technologies to transform carbon dioxide into something we can use. joining us the coa. how is this working? $20 million to a group of people who come up with what? explain it to me. i am stupid. >> smart people are gone. >> i doubt that. good morning. good to see you guys again. what we're doing with the -- what the x-price foundation does is asks people around the world to solve global challenges.

its latest competition funded by nrg, 20 million bucks for the team that can build a device that will go on any coal or natural gas powerplant and take the c 02 out of the smoke stack, at pressure, at temperature and high concentration and turn it in a better product. might be diamonds, ethenol. i don't know. that's the goal. if we can turn the extraction of the co 2 into a profit margin for a coal or natural gas plant, they'll all do it. independent of what the regulations say. it's incentivizing a new behavior. >> steve rattner. as i understand this, you're going to offer this generous prize money, but the teams will have to basically fund their own research or development over this four and a half year period.

right now there are hundreds of millions, billions of dollars being spent by both government and the private sector trying to deal with the c02 problem. why do you think your project will add incremental discovery to what's already going on? >> sure. that's an important question to ask. we're living in a time today where the number of people who can actually take a shot on goal and try experiments is huge, right. today, a university student, entrepreneur or any place on the planet has access to the world's information on google. a thousand web servers on amazon web cloud. you have tools that only a few companies had 20 years ago. we're trying to incentivize not just a few programs but hundreds, maybe thousands of teams to try this out. besides the cash, what it offers here is a platform. we'll be actually providing a coal plant and a natural gas plant where they can try their

technology, try to do that right now as an entrepreneur. it would be pretty darn hard. so we provide this playing field. what we're doing now is we're asking materials scientists, students, professors, entrepreneurs around the world, to go to x-prize.org and register for the competition. we had 600 teams in the last competition. we hope for a similar number here. we're going to have experimentation around the world to find a solution. we're crowd-sourcing it offering a lot of cash to the team that does it. >> how many people have come forward so far, teams? >> we just announced it last night. we have had dozens so far. traditionally -- we launched our global learning x-prize. i enjoyed watching the reveal of tesla. elon won our last x-prize. $15 million global learning x prize. 16 teams around the world, including 100 out of africa

compete to build software. that's the world we're living in today. it isn't the government or the largest corporations solving it. all of us have a chance to do it now. >> thank you very much. that is a great idea. up next, what does it mean to have survivors' remorse, especially when you work with lebron james? the great mike o'malley is here with his new series and what it's like to produce a series with none other than king james.

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are you okay? >> um, no. >> how many fingers am i holding up? >> three, mom. >> your eyes are closed. >> you always hold up three fingers. >> how many fingers now? >> mom, please. >> [ bleep ]. >> exercise is wearing a big [ bleep ] ring. >> you punched the money. >> thanks, mom. >> i'm sorry. you know what i mean. >> last time i seen an eye like that it was in my hand. >> no hospitals. we have to keep this as proiiva as possible. >> you better get your stories straight. >> a look at the hit series on starz, survivors' remorse. joining us, the creator, mike o'malley. >> do you guys know each other? >> good to be here, mike. let's talk about the red sox. two in a row over the yankees. >> how many wild cards are there

now? seven. we're still fighting for the wild card. i can't wait to get in the playoffs. >> that was the highlight of the whole show. we have been on for two hours. >> i'm excited! that's what they're doing. the fans want more playoffs. playoffs. let's get as many teams as we can in the playoffs. >> more wild cards. people want it. they like the sport. we're just expanding the sport. >> come on in here. >> let's do it! >> how much fun is doing this great series? >> it's been fantastic. one of the great things is they give you the freedom to tell stories that you can't really do on other networks. and on broadcast networks. i think the last time i was here i was promoting a family show that was on nbc. i loved it, loved working on it. but it didn't last. and one of the things that's great about working on starz. you can take on subject matters you can't do in other places. if you do it honestly, people tune in.

>> this looks gritty. tell us the premise. >> is came from maverick carter and lebron james, who grew up in akron, ohio. now they're on top of the world. maverick carter is -- lebron james is one of his good friends and business partners. they left that place and now are off in the highest of the highs all around the world. and there are people that they can still help back home. and this notion that, when you survive, if you are somebody who survives a plane crash or a ship wreck, why did i succeed? why did i survive and other people perrisish. this happens to athletes who come from a tough background and they leave the circumstances where they grow up. they left poverty and go and succeed. how do they reconcile that? >> make good choices. >> because there's always people that they can help. there's always another person

they can throw a life preserver to. scholarships, money, people they can help, constantly. yet they have to go on in their own world and what's that push and pull. that's at the center of what the show is about. >> lebron is a hands-on player in the show. >> yes. he is a great -- as people saw in the movie that he did this summer. a great actor. he is doing an episode, episode nine which is in the three weeks. he is fantastic. we talk to him about the stories. i'm going to cleveland next week to talk to him about the stories for the third season. we were picked up for a third season. i think there are a lot of things that happen. what i like about this show is oftentimes you see athletes, they give polished answers to the press. and they present themselves as a, you know, great version of a human being, as they should, yet there are things that happen behind the scenes before they step in front of the cameras. i like to get into that kind of

stuff. >> that gets to the question i was going to ask you. lebron james is, as mike said, hands-on in this. how much did you know yourself about the life of an nba star behind the scenes. >> i was cut from the freshman basketball team in 1981 in high school. so i don't know that much about professional basketball. but i am more interested in actually the human part of it, you know, the do and the don't, the right and the wrong. what is the issues that we can talk about. what i think is relatable about it is that. money, as we know, it changes people. this is a show where the character is trying not to be somebody who ends up on a documentary about how did he lose all of his money. he is a very caring guy. he is a very thoughtful guy. and so there is a lot of, not angst but a lot of thought going into how can he be a transformative figure. look at lebron james, he just committed $80 million, i believe, to sending kids to college. talk about dropping the mic and

saying to other athletes, can you step up and do the same thing. he puts his money where his mouth is. we're trying to write a character who will do something like that. >> you, sir, are a transformative figure as well. "survivor's remorse," a great series. really is. mike o'malley thanks so much. up next, what did we learn today other than the wild card! ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi, and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly. ♪ when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly

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two rational actors, you, if you become president, will have an irrational faction to deal with in israel. >> i want it noted that jonathan capehart just called me a rational actor. i want it noted. >> you'll be in a commercial. >> potentially ending two careers. >> the question is what did you learn today, steve? >> i learned that we're all living in a cone of uncertainty. >> that's huge. >> huge, right? >> i never knew. i was in it earlier. i was in the cone of uncertainty. >> you got out alive. >> i did. what about you? >> i learned that governor chris christie, his mojo is back. the chris christie we saw today is the one who was on the show years before he, like, slid in his presidential race. >> bridge-gate made him better. i learned that "survivor's remorse" is something to watch. i love watching you two

together. >> it's a great series. produced by time warner. mike o'malley is here. we can talk about wild cards. >> i couldn't say it like that. wild card. >> i was thinking they were saying wild card. >> okay. >> not wildcats? >> c-a-r-d. >> now i get it. i didn't get it either. wild card. wild card. >> it's english. >> that's it for us today. run r the "the rundown" is coming up right now. good to be with you on this wednesday morning. i'm frances rivera in for josé díaz-balart. we begin with developments from capitol hill where it is coming down to the wire to prevent a government shutdown. there are now less than 15 hours to go to beat the midnight deadline and pass a new spending bill. the senate is back in session in about half an hour, and is set to vote then on a temporary spending bill. the measure will not have any