to ten are dead. we haven't heard the 13 number. >> yeah, that -- we were going with seven to ten prior to talking to the a.g. on the phone. we're watching, kristin, aerial photos. you must be able to hear helicopters above campus, of a canine being led around its customary now to sniff all of the vehicles that were there that predated the shooting, especially when you have a deceased gunman. you don't know which -- how he got to campus. you don't know which vehicle is his. so they give the dog a shred of scent to go on. kate snow, do you have something new? >> pictures of the scene she was just skribing where people are trying to meet up and the buss are being loaded up. do we have pictures to show? they're coming in a moment. that's the area, to give you perspective, where people are coming and meeting with students or trying to find their students.

>> kristin, this picture we're looking at, shows the signs back to i-5 north and the signs to the state police barracks. that's where you are? >> yes. that is where all media is supposed to meet. it's where the ambulances are, firefighters, and all of the information we're getting is ut of oregon state police, this area. >> kristin goodwillie, we'll let you do your job. a reporter with kval tv. as she correctly points out, this is a big hub of life, first college you go to in that reg n regionregio region. impact will be broad and deep. >> tweets from the local crime reporter the local newspaper "the registered guard," chelsea writes, a couple of things we know, press conference expected shortly. we've believe about a half hour from now, hearing from the governor. she's also writing new details that i had not heard.

a witness says that this was professor larry levine's class weep cannot confirm this. this is coming from a local newspaper reporter in the town saying it may have been in one professor's classroom. what we've been reporting all along, it was a science building where we believed that this was all centered on the campus of umpqua community college. so far, we believe this was all contained to that one building. and now from this tweet, perhaps it's just one classroom which, in a way, would be better than the alternative, if it was at least contained to one room. >> we're joined by justin dillingham, a spokesperson for life flight. as we dipped in to kgw's coverage, we heard a number of patients were being transported by helicopter via life flight. justin, is there -- was there a landing zone on campus? >> i believe all of our aircraft and staged at the airport.

we didn't actually transport anyone from the scene. we have transported at least one patient from mercy medical center in roseburg to peace south river bend and springfield, oregon. float fi notified two other patients in the er to transport however we have learned they have deceased. we have three other aircraft in the area staged, should there be a need to transfer out more patients. >> so we can assume from that that springfield was the next up kind of trauma center for the critically injured? >> correct. >> okay. sadly, because of fatalities, you haven't had any more of the wounded to transport? >> correct. or they may still be being stabilized inside mercy medical center. i believe an ambulance from another company may have transported one patient out of mercy medical center but i can't confirm that. >> do you fly with medics of your own or do you pick them up?

>> we fly with a nurse and a paramedic of our own. >> okay. what is the flying time from where your headquarters is to where you were picking up this patient? closest base would be in cottage grove, oregon, south of eugene. to get to roseburg, looking at 15 to 20 minutes. >> justin dillingham with life flight. part of the sad news we're dealing with is would they had more patients to transport but sound like they lost two prior to the flight. >> pete williams standing by with news about confirmation on how many people have unfortunate nate been lost in oregon today. i know pete can confirm 13 dead now, which is what the oregon attorney general had told us on air short time ago. confirming that. also confirming more than 20 injured.

pete's confirming that a single gunman was involved which is the assumption all afternoon. but we know that to be true. pete, are you there now to report more? >> reporter: well, not more. those are the figures that we've been getting. one of the problems in understanding what's happened here is that this is a relatively remote location. so federal officials have been trying to get there but the number of federal authorities on the scene is quite small. so the information that we're getting here is all coming from the local authorities and they have understandably had their hands full. we still don't know any more information about the person who is said to have fired these shots other than, as you just reported, what we were told is that the gunman is the way that person was described is dead in a confrontation with law enforcement and that in that confrantation, there was no injury to the law enforcement officials who confronted him and

apparently killed him. the number 13 dead, if you include the gunman, would be 14, that the 13 is not inclusive. it's the number of his victims. and then he is the 14th person. now, having said this, it's well on into the shooting, but these numbers can possibly change and the number of injuries is simply told to us as 20 plus. we don't know how much beyond 20 that number is going to go. but we have -- we've gotten no information from federal officials about who the gunman is, whether he is a student, what kind of firearm he used, what the motive was. all of that to be determined in the hours to come. >> pete williams in our washington newsroom. we do know we're going to hear from governor kate brown of oregon. that will be, i guess, when they can brief the governor on what

is known about this gunman. pete, underscoring the belief that the gunman is deceased. we've mentioned columbine already in our coverage for this reason, the community of roseburg known previously as home to 20,000 people and a place where kids grew up and life went on, will now take its place alongside places like columbine, aurora, sandy hook. as mash casualty events. dave cullen is here with us. he wrote the book "columbine" "new york times" best sell somewhere a portrait of the two killers there. dave, i'm curious, as to your thoughts as you learn about this latest tragedy mass casualty event. >> it's just horrifying. i mean obviously, i'm kind of numb in a way, my chest is really beating hard, which takes

me back there. unfortunately i talk to a lot of the columbine victims and some of the other victims of tragedy and it brings them all right back there. some have actual flashbacks, most of them feel something in their body just like they're -- that day which is probably with them for life. >> and sadly, you know, it is how we have come to know places. >> yeah, it is. you know, i was hearing, listening, obviously, to people on the air. i have one bit of advice for parents there, if they're interested, from my experience. if you're a primary victim of survivor, most of the kids -- from columbine but a lot of the other tragedies that i've been following -- most of the kids desperately want hugs and attention and all of that sort of stuff today. all of the other disputes in the family fall away immediately. but most kids by this evening or tomorrow at the latest, that's

going to change over night and they desperately want space, back off and kids tend to flee their houses. obviously every situation is different. your child may be different. but that's just a piece of information for families out there who obviously have no idea what's about to happen to them. that's from experience from some other people in the past. >> made complicated, i don't know better or worse by the fact that probably just a quarter to a fifth of the students are students who just graduated from high school this past fall with the average student body age of over 37 years of age, this is mostly a part-time campus, as most community colleges are. >> sure. >> this is mostly a home by day to older adult students. >> right, right. which actually changes the dynamic of it, too. with virginia tech versus columbine we saw really

different kind of dynamics because virginia tech obviously for students there, it's a very much type of community but it's different than being your home community and where you grew up and all of those sort of things. where columbine, the entire community felt attacked. it was a very different kind of thing. there were all tight-knit, living togetherly closely for years. this is more like that scenario, but the way everyone responds to it, it does change wait the people in it feel about it. in virginia tech, for instance, i talked to so many survivors and i visited there, we did a study. people not directly involved in the shooting who weren't in that building did not feel like it happened to them. they did not view themselves as primary victims. whereas columbine or other types of -- all 2,000 people felt like they were attacked whether or not they saw shooters and so forth. a different type of ptsd and

depression. so if you're a family member of anybody in the community, this is much more like sounds to me right now much more like the columbine scenario everyone involved is going to experience it as a primary victim and is going to be much more traumatized. >> dave, adding to that, as i keep saying, first responders today, a lot of whom will be young, a lot of whom will be young volunteers. certainly most of whom will be on -- at their first mass casualty event. >> yeah. it really takes a toll on them. i was a little surprised, i'm embarrassed to admit i'm surprised. with columbine, patrick ireland was one of most well-known victims the boy in the window who went out the second floor on live television two or three hours into it. he had been unconscious for hours and a horrible thing. the paramedics who rushed him to the hospital, it was really, really important for them the next day to find out that he was

okay. and there was a lot of confusion about who he was because he had taken a bullet to the brain and his speech was really, really bad. and his name was patrick, he kept -- the way he -- he was talking like a stroke victim and for -- i don't want -- they thought that his name was rick from the way he was saying it. you know, they were checking up the next day and couldn't find a rick. and didn't know. he didn't know his last name. he didn't know. and there was a kind of intense hunt to find these. and then they came to see his parents when they figured out they thought it was patrick, they came to see his parents and asked permission, they said it was so important for those guys to come into his hospital room and just see him. and even though he was in a horrible state, just to see him breathing and know that he was alive and hopefully going to be okay. that's -- those guys, those

women, they go -- it's horrible thing for everybody. >> and, dave, final question, i'm guessing for anyone connected with this, in future, safety is going to be a relative term. i'm guessing the school will have armed guards and maybe a gate and things to make people feel better and give the appearance of safety even though as we have been saying during our coverage, there is nothing more dangerous than a motivated silent individual. >> right. right. you know, i should stress, schools are still one of the safest places. statistically, there's a great mini documentary that was on "the new york times" site this week, looking back at columbine, look agent overall statistics and saying, still, you're much safer at a school of any type than most other places some these or the aberration and it

can make you feel unsafe. obviously, these people at this particular school will feel unsafe. we should keep in mind, it is the exception. and schools still are in general a safe place. >> columbine was a bellwether. it affected the feeling of relative safety, lack of it, for a generation of kids, including my on. remain us when was columbine, the death toll. >> 1999, and the death toll sounding similar to this, 13 other people in addition to the two killers. so 15 total. and low 20s was the injured depending upon how you want to count certain people, around 22. >> dave cullen, author of "the new york times" best-seller, "columbine" thank you for stopping by and offering the expertise you gathered in researching another tragedy on campus. kate snow? >> difficult to hear all of that. i think about sandy hook, where

we covered, brian. i was up there for days and have been talking to those families for years of posttraumatic effects of this. governor kate brown sent out a tweet a few moments ago. the governor of oregon saying, my thoughts are with the families and the victim of today's tragedy. we are expecting still to hear from her about 15 minutes from now is what they scheduled a news confroens fconference. gabby giffords put i a tweet, saying on a plane and learning about the heinous shooting in oregon, a community's heart tested but will not be broken. a lot of reaction pouring in. we mentioned earlier, jeb bush, john boehner, now we've got more comments from harry reid, nancy pelosi, all along the same tenor, offering sympathies and support. >> joined on the telephone by a student at umpqua community

college. courtney renney on a bus on her way to the staging ground. are you full or part time. >> i'm full time. >> and what's your understanding what building this took place? is there someone you're looking for? did you know any of the students or instructors who were scheduled to be there? >> i actually we just got to the fair grounds. from my understanding it started in the science building and made its way to schneider hall. i'm not entirely sure of details other than that besides there are like seven to ten people that are dead and many people injur injured. >> are they making an announcement for you, having just arrived at fair grounds? >> what? >> is somebody making an announcement because you just arrived at fair grounds? >> yes. they're telling us the buses that are taking us home.

i can see my family waiting outside. >> when are they allowed you off to be reunited with your family? >> hopefully right now they told us we're free to leave. >> okay. if you obviously need to go do that, if you wish go ahead. one last question. were you on campus? what's the name of the science building, if it's different from schneider hall? >> it's schneider hall. the science building is schneider hall. that's what i heard. yeah, i was on campus. i had just gotten there. i was walking to my class and i heard something and i, you know, you don't think hey, that's sounds like somebody shooting a gun on school campus. as soon as i got to the classroom they told us we were on lockdown and close all of the curtains and get in the corner and turn off the light and they

prepare for you situations like in in elementary school for years and you don't think it's going to happen and then it does. only thing going through my mind is that i'm hoping that everyone that i care about is okay. >> how many people do you are unaccounted for in your life, fellow students? >> the only person that was unaccounted for is now accounted for that i nope as far as i know, right now, everybody that i know and tightly connected with is safe. so thank god for that. >> your family knows that your on this bus, they can see you, you have visual contact with them? >> they cannot see me. we are getting off the bus right now. i can see my sister. okay. courtney. >> she's crying. i better go get to her. >> go be with your family. courtney rennie, student at

community college. thank you very much for joining us. kate? >> mercy medical center, the main hospital in town, tells us they're not expecting any more patients. so that's at least a little bit of good news, that all patients are accounted for at this point. we have gotten a lot of different numbers, brian, how many patients are in various hospitals. but as you know, to recap, we do know that 13 are deceased and a number of injured, more than 20 injured, at various hospitals. >> this is always a spooky business because we're watching people walk through the parking lot and we watch the k-9 officer with his dog. it usually means that one of those cars belongs to the gunman and at a commuter campus, it means that, you know, there's usually a car per student. there's a corresponding student

inside, perhaps among the students who won't be going home tonight. what a sad and solemn place in the middle of some gorgeous country there at a bend in the risker in oregon. >> we do know, to reiterate, just one single person responsible for what is all of this death. so that's another piece of good news they do not believe there's anyone else involved. they've told us repeatedly that everything is under control now, that the gunman, we don't know if he's deceased or alive, but we know it's a male gunman and we know that he is under control and not able to hurt anybody else. >> we're joined on the phone by chelsea gorro, a crime reporter with the registered guard, local paper. chelsea, what more can you add beyond our reporting? >> well, we're at the fire department waiting for a press

conference to begin. supposed to begin at any moment but they haven't arrived yet, the official that's going to be speaking. are you waiting for the governor? >> it happened? snider hall and started in a writing or speech class. >> a writing or speech classyde writing or speech class. >> a writing or speech class. >> first time we heard that. >> larry levine's class. >> it's the same class. >> same source, okay. and as you point out, that is not confirmed for any friends or loved ones of his who may be watching. and are you waiting to hear from the governor, is that the same press conference we've been told to expect? >> i don't know if the governor's planning to here at this time. i know there is a police or fire official expected to speak at the police station. osp, oregon state police office, is right next door to the fire department. they're right in that parking

lot. they're going to have a press conference. we haven't been told who will be speaking. >> did you ever make it on to campus yourself? >> no. i work in eugene, which is an hour north of here. so by the time i got here, the road was closed. >> and did you have any, though you're working in eugene, did you have any connection to this campus prior to this? >> no, no. this is the first that we saw it on twitter and we raced out here to get here to see what was going on. first time i've been to this campus. just like all of us, we're getting familiar with this because of this awful tragedy. how big would you number the press corps assembled there now? >> we're split up, half of us down at fair grounds where the reunification is occurring and the rest of us are waiting for the press conference. we're kind of splitting our time now. >> we were just on the phone with courtney rennie when she spotted her sister and her

family. chelsea gorrow, thank you for being with us. we'll look for your work on social media as the day goes on. 10:38 a.m. local time in the state of oregon, looking at the aerial showing the parking lot outside and alongside this community college. it's the whole complex is kind of in a large u-shape and it was situated there because it's a pretty spot at the banks of the river. 1961 opened for business and took in its first student and taught their first clasp that would put it at the early part of the wave of community colleges across our country. kind of a postwar development to make college at least an associate's degree, at least the first two years more affordable,

more of a local option for kids who perhaps couldn't afford, lack the means or ability to go away to a four-year school. they have been serving this whole country ever since. they've become part of the political dialogue as well, president obama has said more than once his belief that tuition should be free. kate snow, anything more you've learned in the last few minutes? >> well, a lot of it is the same information that we already know, brian, to be honest with you. we know we have nine patients at one hospital in that town and then they're expecting three more, they may have them already. i believe six is the current count of patients that have been taken by air, airlifted to sacred heart hospital which is to the north in eugene. and again, we know that 13 people are deceased. that's been confirmed by federal officials and also by the attorney general of oregon. awaiting the governor who we expect in six minutes.

>> president's been informed. leaders of congress have reacted, sadly that is -- that's become a matter of form. every time there's one of these tragedies. the white house press secretary has responded, reacted as well. there's a lot we don't know. we just had a local print reporter say for the first time on our air that there is a report unconfirmed that this happened in the english or speech department and then progressed to snyder hall where science classrooms are located. we just don't know. we done have an i.d. on the gunman yet. we obviously don't have i.d.s pending next of kin notification on any of the deceased. they appear to be scattered at various hospitals throughout the area. >> we do know that at least one woman, one specific piece of information we've gotten, was

there was one young woman shot in the chest than was mentioned earlier. we've just gotten the dispatch tape that refers to her. we don't know how she's doing. but it's a complex situation that is ongoing. as you can see from the pictures we've been showing you, brian, it's still happening and playing out. information is sort of trickling in to us. it's also not in the most central area. so we're having to move people. nbc news has people going in from all parts of the country trying to get there as fast as we can. >> jim cavanaugh, longtime atf, alcohol, tobacco, firearms consultant, and he is with us by phone. jim, have you learned anything more, any further thoughts as this death toll has risen since we first had you on? >> brian, your report, and with kate, it takes you back to snyder hall, what it shows you, this is a proximity murder all

of these deaths and all of these injuries. i mean 13 dead, as you've been discussing there, 20 or more wounded. you know you don't -- every bullet does not hit -- you miss when you're wildly shooting like a killer like this. you're going to have a lot of rounds extended here. this is not going to be 33 victims with 33 rounds. this is going to be, if the number's close to that, 33 victims and a whole lot more rounds. and the proximity, if you think about as you talked about earlier, new town, if you think about virginia tech, think about aurora, people in a room with the shooter who is loaded for bear and he's pumping the rounds at them. it's a vulgar, vulgar site. our hearts go out to everybody there. i mean it takes you back to the emmanuel church where the killer pulled out a pistol and shot those heroic people, just praying that day and civil rights leaders.

the proximity, brian, what gives you the death in that high death count. they're so close to the killer that this happened inside a classroom. and you know, the response of law enforcement to take him out. but i would add a couple of things. normal protocol to set up a witness center and a family center. so families of the victims can go to the family center and witnesses who might have been on campus go to the witness center. there's also a joint operation center that law enforcement sets up with on scene commander and where the agency commanders go. of course you described the sweeps going on. of course sweeps for gunmen. but there's also sweeps for explosives. i mean if you recall aurora, with the killer there had all of the explosives at this in apartment rigged. you see that sometimes. you saw in columbine, which you discussed with the author earlier, explosives again. a lot of times there's explosives involved here. there could be a car load of

explosives. could be explosives in his apartment or house. the police have to go through all of the procedures for that. bomb-enoughing dogs, you know, searching his car, his house, make sure there's no additional threat. even if the killer's deceased. >> yeah, sense you've been talking, we had a an amazingly zoomed in shot of two law enforcement personnel outside one of the entrances to the building and it looked like there were already yellow markers on the ground, perhaps marking rounds or shell casings, evidence otherwise, and one of them wearing protective kind of paper shoe coverings because he was obviously inside, working out of the inside of the building. everything has to be considered evidence, i guess. everything has to be considered part of the potential evidence field. >> right. exactly, they're going to pick up every bit of evidence

shell casings, firearms, anything he touched, they'll be fingerprinted. they have to gather all of the witnesses, too and take statements for the witnesses. of course consideration for people wounded or suffering trauma. you see a dog being led around the car, bomb-sniffing dog. sniffing for explosives, could there have been any explosives planted in the parking lot, explosives left before the person went in. numerous cases like this, we've had over the many years, where shooters and potential shooters have had bombs and explosives and pipe bombs and tossed them and left them. that's pretty normal protocol for them to done you'll have forensic crime scene going on all evening. i mean forensic crime scene mapping and normal protocol. if the guy's deceased, some of the exercises won't be for a trial but they'll be for -- to get the whole picture what happened and learn lessons again. and then we've got, you know,

take action to stop the next one. >> for some of these investigators, i'm thinking of aurora, the rabbit hole is just starting because they get an i.d. on the gunman, that leads you to a residence, that can lead you to rantings and writings and other witnesses and family and people who have tangential relations with him and that eventually gives you the case to build. >> right. you know, we can say that 9 out of 10 time on these guys, there was some indication that something was amiss. >> right, right. >> whether the criminal record, whether the mental health issue, whether it's dispute with someone. whether it was they were seeking revenge, whether they were kicked out of school, fired from a job. there's going to be something that when you look back at it you're going to say this part of

the triggering event, part of his background. those are usually found, i'm not going to say they're usually case that this guy would do something like this. but in most of the cases, when you look back there's clear indicators. if somebody could have acted, if somebody could have said, if some law could have been enforced, if something could have stopped. the mental health restraining order, which i'm a great fan of and you talked on nbc and msnbc back on multiple past shootings, i think it's a strong tool. california has enacted a law like that, other stated need to enact law like that. it doesn't mean this is a mental health case but that's one of the steps what you've got to take is multiple steps but try to interrupt at each and every spot along the continuum line from when the i.d. generates and person's head. until they're pulling trigger on the campus, at each stage there's something to be done.

sometimes that's interrupted all along that course and you see it on play before your eyes right here, like when you see a witness say i heard the noise but i didn't think it was a shot. we have to train people. it's a shot, it's not a backfire, it's not a firecracker. you need to act like it's a shot. we had another student on, reporting on, who said think said active shooter and they didn't have to tell me twice. that's a person who understands. don't say say maybe it's not. no, it's an active shooter. it is active shooter, you hear the noise, you have to react according. reacts can save your lives and lives of fellow students, employees, fellow military personnel. you have to react immediately to the sound or noise or alert on any mass shootings. >> tragically, that is right. that's part of the primmer of

being a citizen these days. wanted to let viewers know that the podium scene there, we're waiting for the briefing. you're seeing various reporters and technicians go on up and test their microphones to make sure everything's working. obviously when the governor of oregon arrives, whoever is going to brief the news media, will go to it live. you're seeing police tape around this building with the three sky lights there seems to be where most people are coming in and out and the adjacent building. all become familiar with confines of campus. you see the k-9 unit there. again the threat as we've just learned and been reminded is, kind of a secondary threat, the threat of explosives. threat that something could be rigged, on a timer.

booby trapped because, after all, a mind capable of planning a mass casualty event in a community college is capable of planning a booby trapped car in the parking lot. >> newtown, the shooter rigged things in his own home when police went on a search there. they obviously are very cautious looking through cars. >> you may see muzzles raised however. there's one gun raised that runs count to what we hearing, there's no further threat. here's a live briefing. >> i guess no audio yet. this appears to be -- being shot by iphone. and it appears -- we don't -- we don't have any reference on that yet.

it's just one of the many images coming into tus. different venue, looked like it might be in a firehouse. >> the brifibriefing which we'vd to believe will be the governor. >> slightly different numbers coming in. people have been handing us paper. different number of patients. trying to get a full count of how many patients at various hospitals. the main hospital is mercy medical in town and roseburg. nine patients, admitted four more en route. it doesn't make sense, we thought the scene has been cleared and everyone already at

local hospitals. >> no longer valid. seeing most of congress, house and the senate, both senators from connecticut, for example, the state that suffered the sandy hook tragedy, most of the candidates for president, the speaker of the house, all of them reacting on twitter with expressions of shock and sadness. the death toll of 13 came during our interview with the attorney general of oregon. our local station had been reporting 7 to 10, somewhere in that range. we're still going with a figure of 20 or more wounded or otherwise injured. all of this activity you see from these aerial pictures is after the shooting, after the

all-clear was sounded on campus. some of this is being repeated on a loop now, but we've seen this scene before, the dog being asked to, you know, check all of the cars for explosives. >> community college community of several thousand mostly adult, mostly part-time students as is the community college life in america. >> bottom right of the screen, waiting governor of oregon kate brown will be will shortly. i don't know if there's simultaneously news conferences going on. >> simultaneous. >> you don't know what the other briefing -- >> the one we couldn't hear is a

local law enforcement officials talking to reporters. reporters scrambling to get there and get in place one of the biggest questions what's happened to the gunman. we've been told single gunmen, lone gunman. we've been told that he's no longer a threat. there have been reports that perhaps he's deceased but not able to confirm that. the number of people being treated at area hospitals i have at 13, mercy medical, 3 at sacred heart. that would be 16 people, brian, treated but i wouldn't take numbers to the bank. they've been changing all afternoon. we have heard more than 20 injured. >> it's a gathering of law enforcement just in the parking lot. outside the community college. all of the loved ones concerned parents, friends, have been taken to a fair grounds by bus.

and jim was saying, there's usually a witness area and a family area set up. that makes sense. >> i'm being reminded, brian, pete williams, colleague, at the justice department, did confirm through law enforcement officials that the gunman is deceased. >> we don't know his identity yet. nor any of the victims inside umpqua community college. first went online in 1961 than was the year of the first students entered. some of the few still photos we've had all day. the emergency room entrance. then the hospital arrived from our station kgw, having made the

flight south from portland. strauli sprawling campus, about 100 acres, about 18 buildings. >> not a large student population, though. about 3,000. >> 3,000 full time. roughly 16,000 combined with part time. >> and a small enough campus that a lot of students heard things earlier today. we were speaking with courtney rennie on the phone, heard a car backfiring but it was gunshots. >> so often the case. here's the douglas county sheriff. we now have audio. >> officers from around the county immediately responded to the college and upon arriving there, they located the shooter in one of the buildings. officers engaged that suspect, there was an exchange of gunfire. the shooter threat was

neutralized and officers continued to sweep the campus looking for other threats. we have confirmed that there is confirmed injuries and there are confirmed fatalities. at this point, it is very active scene. it's a very active investigation. and that is really all at this point that i am prepared to share or that i can share. >> oregon attorney general said 13 dead. can you confirm that? >> i cannot. i've heard varying numbers and i don't want to report on a number that's inaccurate. i can tell you that we have got a tremendous amount of law enforcement help. i have the oregon state police assi assisting. we have all of the local agencies, including the roseburg police, some of the other smaller municipalities, sheriff's office. the fbi. the u.s. marshall service.

a lot of support in this investigation. >> can you tell us anything about the shooter or what weapon was used? >> at this point, i cannot. i can tell you the shooter was a male subject. i have no other information. >> alive or dead? >> the shooter is deceased. >> how many wounded? >> sorry? >> can we confirm how many wounded? >> i cannot at this time, no. >> what is this like for your deputies in a community this size where everyone knows someone on the campus? >> it's -- i'm sure it's very frightening for a lot of people that were responding. you're right, this is a small community. it's a community college, so a lot of our friends and family attend this college. and it was a situation that was -- there was no answers for quite some time. i personally know of a number of people that i work with that had

very strong concerns about the welfare of loved ones that are going to school there. >> can you confirm if there's a posting on facebook warning this might happen or stay away from school? >> i haven't heard that comment -- i can't comment on that. >> is this contained to one classroom or -- >> at this point, i can't tell you that. it's under investigation. i don't know. >> can you tell us where he was shot? i mean what part of the campus was it in the classroom where the shootings occurred? >> where he was -- >> yeah, where he was shot. >> i don't know at this point. i know officers engaged him somewhere near a classroom but i can't tell you if it was in the classroom or outside of the classroom. >> do you know if he fired on police officers? >> ply understanding, yes, he did. >> 13 dead -- >> i didn't say there was how many fatalities there were at this point. i don't know. the shooter is deceased. can you confirm -- >> i can tell you, again, i have

the district attorney here and we have activated the major crimes team and so along with the major crimes team and the other agencies that i mentioned, we will be conducting a thorough and i'm sure a lengthy investigation into why and how many and all of the answers that we can possibly determine. >> can you tell us, are those helicopters taking people to the hospital or -- >> no. i believe they're press helicopters. i don't know. >> one more time with the type of weaponen? are you saying a rifle or handgun or anything like that? >> i don't know. >> was it in the science building, majority of it? >> i don't know that. >> sheriff, there's a national spotlight on roseburg. people who may not be familiar with the community, can you just talk a little bit roseburg so people nationwide can understand what kind of place this is?

>> sure. douglas county is a timber community. we have roughly 107,000 people that live in the county here. umpqua community college is the only higher education facility that we have in douglas county. there are other community colleges in surrounding counties and of course the university of oregon would be the closest university to this community. there's a lot of students that attend the college that are either in the first couple of years of higher education or a lot of misplaced employees that have gone back to school to learn new trades and get an education. >> fairly peaceful community, low crime sflat. >> its a peaceful community. we have our share of crime like any small community. but certainly, this is a huge

shock to the entire community to have this level of crime and incident occur in college or school system. >> are you happy with the response of law enforcement in this situation? >> i am extremely happy with the response. i've got fellow sheriffs here that have been through similar situations up in the valley that have come to provide support and assistance. like i said, oregon state police provided us with a tremendous amount of resources and i couldn't be happier. >> how many people do you think are on campus trying to investigate this situation? >> superintendent, do you know? >> i couldn't -- >> i'm guessing -- i'm guessing we have well over 100 detectives and officers, uniformed officers, out there. >> any officers injured? >> talk about -- >> there's been no report of any of the officers injured. >> what do you suggest the public do right now? >> sorry? >> what do you suggest the

public do? avoid the area? >> my suggestion is that they think of the family of the victims and be aware of their anguish and think of them first. the families of the victims are the ones that are going to have the most difficult days ahead. >> deputies on campus when the incident occurred or osp the first? >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure which officers arrived first. there was two or throuthree of arrived at the same time. >> do you think there might be explosives or that there's a reason to sweep the whole campus? >> that is part of the investigation to try to determine if that's a threat. we haven't had any indication that it is at this time. >> is there any indication that there's anyone else involved in the shooting? >> that -- it's too early in the

investigation to make that determination. >> do you have armed security guards on campus? >> do what? >> armed security guards on campus? >> no, i do not. >> does douglas county -- >> we have a tactical response team. >> were they the ones who shot. >> no, responding officers that got there first. >> have families started to get notified about the december ceased? >> i'm not sure. >> the shooter a student at community college? >> sorry. >> do you know whether the shooter was a student. >> i do not. >> the local hospitals do they handle the -- >> that is a good question, i haven't heard how overloaded with injured. i did hear rumor that a couple of the patients were shipped to other area hospitals or out of area hospitals. >> practically, do you have a pio, another presser scheduled after this? >> i do. corporal hudson is here in the

crowd. he will be putting out more information as it comes available. >> what's the next stop in the investigation? >> currently, we've got -- we've got more of the compound to do a thorough search of. we have to process the scene or scenes where the shooting occurred. we are a parking lot full of vehicles out there that we have to process and search. and obviously -- >> we'll pull away from the sheriff's briefing. here. the governor of the state of oregon. >> good afternoon. thank you for being here. while it is still too early to know all of the facts, i know i am joined by my fellow oregonians and americans in profound dismay and heartbreak at the tragedy at umpqua community college. facts are still emerging. we know now there were casualties and confirmed

injuries. our top priority now is the medical treatment for victims and the security of the campus. we have confirmation that the shooter is deceased. he's a 20-year-old male. our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. we are holding the community of douglas county in our hearts today. the work that first responders have done is heroing. to our first responders, thank you for your work as this community reels from grief. i'm leaving now head to roseburg to be with the community there oregon state superintendent rich evans is here to make additional remarks. please take care. >> the first 911 calls came in in the roseburg area at 10:38 this morning.

all law enforcement in the area responded immediately to the campus. the active shooter was engaged by law enforcement and later confirmed to be deceased. our number one priority right now is to make sure that the scene is secure and the victims are treated and making sure that we have a complete crime scene and that we continue to make sure that there are no additional threats. the oregon state police is combining with all of the local law enforcement including the douglas county sheriff's office in making sure that we are doing all of the things that the community needs us to do. we have set up a command center. we have set up an additional area for media relations, our pio is there, lieutenant bill fugate to assist in the future. as we know, families in these events become very frazzled and continue to make sure that we're communicating what we need to

with them, as we move forward. these -- i would like to remain the media that these scenes are dynamic and change. our number within priority is making sure all victims are safe. additional information may take some time for us to make sure that we can get that information accurately to you. but our number one priority right now is making sure that we take care of victims, families and the community of roseburg. i would like to thank the first responders that responded today in a timely manner and thank you. >> i'm sorry, we're not able to take any more questions today. there's a command center in roseburg and hopefully we'll be able to talk with you there. thanks. >> all right. we were listening to the governor of the state of the oregon, governor kate brown, giving us the latest information about this terrible shooting in oregon, confirming what we've been reporting here on msnbc, that 13 were killed, that there are a number of injured, that

the shooter himself is deceased. we learned one new piece of information, she said that that male shooter is a 20-year-old. no confirmation yet whether he was a student at the campus there or not. but we do know a 20-year-old male is responsible for all of this. you heard in the press conference prior to the governor, you heard local officials say that they cannot confirm whether there was some kind of facebook post last night. that's something that's all over social media right now, un confirmed reports about a facebook posting you heard local law enforcement saying they can confirm that. clint van zandt remains with us. when you hear this, i feel like it's history all over again. it the same sort of news conference that we've become so unfortunately so used to. >> well, it is. you know, it the same old song and it's the song of death that we've heard so many times with

the number of shootings, as you and i and brian williams were talking with a number of shootings that have taken place on campuses since sandy hook, 137 shootings on school campuses. 45 school shootings this year. and in this small community of roseburg, oregon, a similar, although not as many victims, took place nine years ago at a high school when one student shot another. that was one victim. here we have casualties and the double digits. we hear of these numbers all across the country. so it's, you know, this is our own epidemic. we're in flu season. this is a flu that we deal with of violence where people, some reason, this 20-year-old man -- we'll find out, we're going to to see through social media, through his friends, his family -- he had issues, he heard voices, he had problems with his friends. there's going to be something.

there always is. but the question is, that's fine when we do these psychological autopsies after the fact. how do we identify these people in need before and how do we help them before they commit a terrible act like this, kate? that continues to be our challenge and we sit here and we count the dead and wounded. we wring our hands. we talk about gun control and mental health and the reality is, we sit in our chairs and wait for the next incident to take place. >> 20-year-old kid, for all parents everywhere, i mean, it's shocking. that part of the briefing, just got your attention immediately. >> yeah, we've covered so many of these. and as clint points out, so it's often mental health that comes in to play. it's so often a lack of services or someone didn't get enough help through the teenage years. we've heard the same stories repeated. it becomes not just a question of gun laws and that will

certainly be debated, too and already is being debated on social media but also becomes a question of often of our health care system. at this point we don't know anything about this 20-year-old man. he was driven to kill 13 people. so that's enough to know right there. >> that's most of the new information. you're correct, that we learned from the governor. she was going on down to the scene. notably she said, take care . one of those days where everyone in that state will feel like their world has been shaken up. we're able to see some of the coverage from our nbc station kgw that they are airing. a lot of it is the aerial pictures we've been showing you. this, for example, is local news out in portland, oregon. again, their helicopter was able to get to the campus and record the scenes.

just one term of art to explain, if you're new to it. there's a lot of talk of the gunman engaging with police. just means cross fire, a gun battle. he shot at them, they shot at him, and they killed him. 20-year-old male. that is the one new piece of information. the death toll, death toll of 13, since confirmed by our justice correspondent pete williams, that death toll of first came to light in an interview we did on live television with the attorney general of oregon. we had been previously reporting seven to ten. as was the reporting of our kgw, nbc station, but it attorney general of the state of oregon who said, according to her sources, 13. >> pete william, though, just telling me in my ear, he's reporting death toll, good news,

may be go down, adjusted downwards. >> let's hope. >> still trying to sort this out with all of you. we're getting information in live. >> it could be it was less than 13, let's hope. >> we'd love to be wrong in that direction. again that figure came from the attorney general of the state. it has since been picked up and it's been repeated again by law enforcement. one of the shots we just showed you was the buts. buses have been carrying witnesses. buses have been carrying family. buses have been carrying all the students who found themselves in lockdown at the community college campus. they've named nearby fair grounds as the reunion point. clint van zandt said, and he's right, that for a long time afterwards, it not uncommon to find people wherever people can hide in these buildings,

closets, rest rooms, above ceilings, behind furniture, when you're told to take cover, when told to lock down, especially when you can hear what you understand to be gunshots, people will do whatever they can to hide and some of them, it tough to convince them that it's safe to come out and that it's law enforcement. >> it doesn't take long, brian, for these stories to become somewhat political for people to start weighing in with their points of view. we've gotten word that hillary clinton, out on the campaign trail, was asked about the tragedy today. she said, it is just beyond my comprehension that we're seeing these mass murders happen again and again and again, and as i have said, we've got to get the political will to do everything we can to keep people safe. i know there's a way have sensible gun control measures that help prevent violence, prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands, and save lives. and i'm committed to doing that.