♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. good morning, i'm dorian moran. melissa is off this week. the donald trump tax plan. and black voters. plus, two developing news stories. we have team coverage of both

the tuesday shooting in roseberg, oregon, that left nine people and the deadman dead, and the looming weather threat parting parts of the coast under threat this morning. >> we're still watching the hurricane joaquin and we're getting updates from the bahamas to see just how bad that was. here's joaquin up here. it's finally moving away from the bahamas. it's quickly moving away. so clearing skies there. now, this photo just came out from the coast guard in miami. they're going to be sending up this aircraft, flying to the bahamas. they're going to fly low over all the islands that were devastating to assess the damage. we don't even know how bad it is there until this aircraft gets there this morning. we are watching devastation on the coast from coastal flooding. we're watching significant flooding from rains and storm surge in areas of south carolina. this image came in. this is north wildwood, new

jersey. this isn't even down in the southeast. this house last night tumbled down into the ocean and is going to be battered by waves and high tide for about 2 or 3 more days in a row here. as far as the coastal flooding goes, this weekend, tropical storm force gusts will continue at the coast. we'll also have dune erosion. i don't think we'll have epic coastal flooding. i don't think we'll see a lot of homes into the water like that one but isolated cases like that are definitely a possibility. we'll have to monitor areas of south carolina. especially the charleston area is under a flash flood warning for the rain. if you've ever been to charleston, it's right there on the water. their very scared this afternoon. already about a half a foot to a foot of water right through downtown. that water will only go up because of the rain and the ocean water that's going to be headed in. here's some of pictures over the last hour. paddle boarding down the streets. the water levels, you can see it

here. it's about only 6 to 12 inches. that could easily go up another foot, maybe two feet in some spots, and that will cause a lot of devastation. as i mentioned, flash flood warnings. the rain continues over this area. you get the picture. we got a lot of problems on east coast all weekend long but the major concern for life and for property right now is down here in charleston. >> thank you to bill karins. let's now turn to sarah dallof in columbia. they're keeping an eye on the river not far from you. >> that is correct, flood stage 4. the river was already at 114 feet. if those river levels continue to rise, which obviously is very likely, seeing that it hasn't stopped raining, that could cause flooding down at the national park. here in columbia proper, they're expecting anywhere from 12 to 18 inches of rain through monday.

we're in five points, which is an entertainment and shopping district, which is historically very prone to flooding. businesses not taking any chance, sandbagging their doors, up and down the street. taking all the merchandise off the floor. they're prepared. talked to the mayor, he detailed some of the preparations. they're letting water out of dams to clear some room. they've cleared out the storm drains. they're advising people to stay off the roads. already here in south carolina, one death is being attributed to this bad weather. and officials want to make sure there are no more to add to that total. back to you. >> thank you to sarah dallof in columbia, south carolina. there's still no word from a u.s. flag containership battling the massive waves that the hurricane is churning up in the bahamas. the coast goouard resumed its search. when the ship left jacksonville on tuesday, joaquin was just a

tropical storm. we'll continue to bring you updates as we have them. let's it unto the other big story we're following. the latest developments out of roseberg, oregon, where a gunman killed nine people at umpqua community college. douglas county sheriff has refused to use the shooters name, other officials identified him as 26-year-old chris harper mercer. he was reportedly armed with multiple guns, including one long gun, and left behind a multipage note. authorities have since recovered six weapons from the scene of the shooting and seven from his home. according to one survivor, the shooter asked students their religion before firing. investigators cannot yet identify a clear motive. for more, msnbc correspondent

jacob silveroff in roseburg, oregon. >> reporter: an extremely somber scene in roseburg. which is totally different when we rooarrived here on thursday, which was basically chaos. as information comes out, and we're getting that information from the public safety building behind me, the tone, the feeling, is starting to change here. most importantly, we got the names of the victims yesterday from sheriff john hamlin. some of the victims were very, very young, including quinn glen cooper, he had just graduated. yesterday was his fourth day of college. lucas eibel, 18. his parents said he loved the future farmer of america. he was a volunteer at the wildlife safari here and the animal shelter. jason dale johnson of winston was 33 years old.

his family says he was proud to be an christian and he recently enrolled and had finally found his path at umpqua community college. lawrence levine was the teacher in the classroom. he he was 67 years old. sarena dawn moore was 24. treven taylor anspach was the son of a firefighter. rebecka ann carnes, the niece of a paramedic here. that has hit the community particularly hard. today, we are expecting a news conference at the public safety building where we hope to get more information from law enforcement officials here in douglas county. >> msnbc's jacob silveroff, thank you. there were more people injured in thursday's shooting. for more on their story, let's go to msnbc's morgan ratford at the medical center in roseburg.

>> reporter: as you mentioned, we are here at mercy medical center where two of the survivors are being treated. three others are being treated at sacred heart hospital. one was released last night. we're also learning new detail also about the suspected shooter from those recently released survivors, one of whom told the newspaper here in oregon that the shooter actually asked students to gather in the center of the classroom. but he didn't target christians specifically. instead, he asked what their religions were, if they believed in god, and then chillingly said, i'll meet you there. suggesting that he knew he was not going to leave that altercation alive. we're also hearing heroic tales about chris mints who's 30 years old. he was in the army. he's from north carolina. witnesses say he actually used his body to block the door to protect the students inside the classroom with him. the shooter, however, shot through the door, struck him seven times and both of his legs are also broken. local media here have reported that 19-year-old julie weds

worth is being treated with gunshot wounds to her arms, legs and head. she's been in surgery in the past 24 hours. right now, we're waiting to get even more updates on those survivors. dorian. >> thank you to msnbc's morgan radford. coming up, the mayor of roseburg, oregon, will join me. up next in this hour, we'll focus on politics. this week donald trump did something extremely important. no matter what you think of trump, what he did this week was a very good thing for all of us.

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this week marked a turning point for donald trump's campaign. he said he wants to transform the american tax system and told us how he hopes to do it. >> it's a tax reform that i think will mark america strong and great again. there will be a major tax reduction. it will simplify the tax code. it will grow the american economy at a level that it hasn't seen for decades. >> trump's plan would reduce the current seven tax brackets to just four. zero percent, 10%, 20% and 25%. the poorest americans would owe nothing to the irs except for a one-page form that says "i win." analysts from both ends of the political spectrum believe the

biggest winners are, well, people like donald trump. the conservative leaning tax foundation found that trump's proposal would give the wealt wealthith 1% of americans would see their after-tax incomes increase by 21%. a disparity that along with the estimated $12 trillion price tag may add up to be the real value of donald trump's tax plan. the value in this presidential campaign of donald trump himself. remember back in that first gop debate when he made this claim? >> if it weren't for me, you wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration, chris, you wouldn't even be talking about it. >> it was a moment of typical trump hyperbole. now that trump has waded seriously into the debate, the spotlight may be shedding renewed light on to another issue. the one that was supposed to be the single biggest issue before all that attention turned to its single biggest personality.

the ever growing chasm between the haves and the have nots. america's wealth gap had already reached record level also and is on track to continue to expanding even wider. while low and middle income families are still waiting on the return of their wealth, the richest americans are wealthier than ever before. holding 76% of all the country's wealth. the top 10% of wealthiest americans hold three quarters of all the country's wealth. they're doing so well forbes magazine in its recent tally of the country's 400 richest people found so many billionaires making so many billions that the magazine made the list extra competitive by increasing the price of entry from $1.55 billion to $1.7 billion. that brings us back to the guy sharing a spot at number 121 on that list. the obvious question about restoring equity to the imbalance of wealth in the hands of donald trump and others like him. what of the idea, to take some

money from those who have it and give it to those who don't? of course that "r" word, redistributi redistribution, is unspeakable. because if you're a candidate, entertaining that notion is political dynamite. remember this guy from the 2008 campaign, joe the plumber? who, by the way, as it turned out, was neither named joe nor a licensed plumber. he became the postal boy for i got mine, get yours credo. getting then senator obama to say this. >> if you've got a plumbing business, you're going to be better off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you. right now, everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody. and i think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. >> it was one comment during a five-minute exchange in which senator obama spoke in detail about his tax plan. but republican nominee senator mccain was able to spin it into a got cha moment,

misunderstanding a fundamental american notion. when you work hard and earn what's your, it's just that, it's yours. similar criticism when said this. >> if you are successful, somebody along the line -- gave you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life. somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system that we have that alloweded you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges. if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> mitt romney and the gop moved quickly to respond as though what president obama was saying was referring to a business of some kind. instead, what the president really meant, the public infrastructure that has an exponentially larger benefit to those positioned to capitalize on it versus those who aren't in that position. he said it in a speech that called for a change of a system where although everyone may work

hard, not everyone's hard work pays off. we've often heard our politicians couch their approach to fixing economic inequality and the safe rhetoric of the american dream. the education and jobs as a ladder to the middle class. we know middle class is barely hanging on to that bottom rung. not even a great education, nor a good job, are enough to make much of a difference. there's another alternative that's not only legal but so fundamental to our democracy that it's even enshrined in our constitution. the government's right to tax. a right that would allow the state to take from the few for the good of the many. as the constitution put it the general welfare of the united states. if the government can play robin hood to reverse our country's profound economic inequality, then should it? joining me now is david k. johnston, poull lilt zer prize

winning journalist, author of "divided." perry bacon jr., msnbc political reporter, christina greer, author of "black ethnics," katen dolten. and joining us from washington is grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. thanks all of you for joining me this morning. politico is reporting that your organization assisted the trump campaign in putting together his tax plan and you've praised the final plan released this week. tell me why this plan checks all the boxes for you. >> well, one of the things he did was he took the corporate income tax, which is 35% in the united states. we compete in a world against china at 25%. the comb nicmunists are 25%. many europeans have a lower business tax. we're at 35%. we compete with the brits at

20%. with canada at 15%. then you add the 5% average state corporate income tax. and we're really not at 35%, we're at 40%. so we have an uncompetitive business tax. and then people complain to the business community, how come you're not doing better and hiring more people. after they shoot you in the foot. so step one, taking that rate down to 15%. add 5% for state taxes, you're at 20%. you're at least competitive. we're not really ahead. but we're competitive. so it's a good -- gets rid of the alternative minimum tax, which nixon and kennedy thought up in a fit of stupidity. and then we have -- gets rid of the death tax as well. it does a lot of things that will help economic growth. >> so, david, tax cuts for everyone always sounds like a great idea. you said this week you literally laughed out loud when you read it. what was so funny about the trump tax plan? >> el with, the tax foundation, a group that's with grover generally on taxes said over the first ten years they estimate

revenues would fall by $12 trillion. how much is that? that's more than a third of the expected revenue from the income tax and the corporate income tax over the next ten years. kill revenue by a third and put in trump's plans anded if you think our federal debt is not too big, this is what you want. because it's going to balloon beyond belief. that's the fundamental problem. >> so kaeten, i want to get to the larger question. article 1, section 8 of the constitution. the tax and spending clause. quote, the congress shall have power to lay and collect taxis, duties and post excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states. if we agree profound economic inequality is not in the country's general welfare, what role should the government play in using its taxing power to improve it? >> i get the constitution, i understand that. and what role there is.

what we get in there, the 2700 pages of the irs, this is a political campaign. you hear about taxes every time. i can't tell you how many times we've lined up a politician by the 27 pages of irs code and say, do you like the irs. that's what this is about. i'm not sure that every voter's going to understand 35 to 25. i'm not sure they're going to get that. but it gets you votes because the irs is an easy target. on the other question wealth redistribution, the middle class, this election is going to have a lot to do with that. there's a lot pain out there. there's a lot of economic pain out there. we've had the president for seven years. we're still having this conversation. we had the conversation when he started with joe the plumber. we still haven't gotten an answer to it yet. he had the congress. now we've got the congress. we've got a major change in the congress coming up we'll address later on about what the republicans are going to do with kevin mccathy as speaker. but i can't give you a solid

answer on are we going to raise taxes, because i don't think you're going to find a lot of people running, including the democrats, advocating and beating the drum for a more tax burden on the american public. >> grover, obviously since 1985, you have advocated for tax cuts, and it seems, whether we're in good times or bad time, the solution is always cutting taxes. what about this issue of the constitution and looking out for the general welfare? do you think there's ever any condition under which we should raise taxes to stop growing economic inequality? >> well, right now, we don't need to raise tax because the government, federal state and local, take about a third of the income of the american people. that's too high. we need to spend more wisewisel. and reduce the total cost of government. taking money from fred and giving it to mary doesn't have to do the general welfare. it has to do with mary's interest at the expense of

somebody else. but taking money from one person and giving it to another is what european kings did for a long time and we didn't want to do that. >> so really quickly, you've been covering donald trump on the campaign trail. how are people responding to this first moment of policy substance over style from trump? >> it's the second moment. he had the immigration plan, which also did change the dynamic a little bit, as he said. >> you call it a plan. >> it was a plan. we don't think it was a good plan. i would say this moment told me donald trump is very serious about winning the republican nomination. his tax plan is so similar to jeb bush's that jeb bush said, donald, true for, you know, thank you for following my plan. it tells me trump's plan is very much in the mainstream of the party. in august, he was saying, i'm going to tax the rich. he was giving the idea himself. >> and going after hedge fund guys. >> now his plan showed me, he

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jobs will be created. the economy will expand tremendously. this will be a rocketship for the economy. >> that was trump on tuesday calling into the "today" show and explaining his plan. his plan would cut the corporate tax rate by more than half. christine, i want to get you in here and ask you, in terms of the research, what do we know about what happens with the economy and around issues of inequality when we have a democrat in office versus republican in office in terms of

the presidency? >> well, we know the role of the presidency has been expanding over time, right? when we think about what the intent of the president during the time of george washington. it's much smaller and narrower than what we've seen today. each president expand s the office. with george bush, we saw the expansion of the presidency. so much so that republicans said, slow down, you're spending money like a democrat. the issue is we're seeing oftentimes democratic presidents try to implement larger widespread government programs to provide a safety net are americans. we saw this very largely with the new deal. we saw it again with the great society. bill clinton had some highs and lows. i don't think many major hits. but then obama and obamacare. and we're seeing this. when trump comes out with his third grade rhetoric, which i see in many ways is like a three-card monty of saying it's going to be huge, don't worry about it. we know the republicans have oftentimes not been great looking out for poor americans.

they're great at rallying poor americans to think these other people who are enemies are stealing jobs and doing other things. they really actually aren't the ones who provide the safety net historically. >> i want to get your response on that. we do have some research that shows under the republican administrations the economy grows much slower than during democratic administrations in terms of the presidency. what makes you think this trump tax plan if he were to become president would be a rocketship for us? >> you can to the joint economic committee website and look at the growth from the bottom the recession when regular agan too and the bottom of the recession that obama inherited. if we had grown during the obama presidency from the bottom of the reception at the same rate growth we did under reagan, there would be 12 million americans working today. who today are sitting at home not working. there's a lot of damage done to poor people. a lot of damage done to young people. a lot of damage done to

communities by bad policies that put 12 million people out of work, compared to what happened when regulagan took a different viewpoint. reagan reduced them and created jobs and opportunities. w big difference between the reagan recovery and the obama recovery. reagan did it by crushing inflation which is not a problem obama had. and balancing the soviet union. is a lot more difficult, period, that he had, than obama ef picked up on. twice the growth, 4%, not 2%. >> david, this is grover, right? >> first of all, reagan had a cooperative congress. we have republicans who, the very night of the inauguration got together and said, we're going to make sure this man fails as a republican. reagan imposed -- they called them revenue enhancers -- that

fell heavily on the middle class and the poor. reagan had the benefit of a whole bunch of other circumstances we don't have today. but the underlying issue, tax rates are not the issue we should be talking about. i've shown multinational corporations literally turn a profit off their taxes. they literally make money off the tax systems that exist today. what we want to have is a system that encourages investment and hiring. when i hire people, i expect to pay higher taxes because they're doing work for me that's going to add value that leads to me paying more taxes. you don't hire people to get a tax cut. that's nutty. i think we need to recognize we have to have a very large well-done foundation of commonwealth. our infrastructure's falling apart. our grid is third grade. our internet is less than that of bulgaria. and recognize these investments in commonwealth create the foundation to build private

wealth. i want us to build private wealth. you can't do it by stripping away the foundation. >> katon, how do we balance the need to create jobs, the need to create an economic environment that encourages robust business growth and investment with the collective good of growing the economy so everyone benefits? because clearly everyone has not been benefiting from this recovery. >> you see it in the numbers that everyone is not benefiting. that's probably what this eelectric is goi election is going to be about. people who are looking for opportunities. who are looking for policies. not that the voter looks that deep into the policy basket. the inequities are there. i agree with you. there's nothing wrong with people opening businesses, hiring people and creating wealth. i mean, there's nothing wrong with that. that creates jobs. and sometimes i think that gets mixed up into all the misnomers about the wealth gap, the inequities in the middle class. i think we have to have something, a structure to where

our country is more competitive. i think that's what donald trump is tapping into. now, are they going to believe him or not, i don't know. that's yet to hear. i've got some numbers for that later on. >> i want to thank grover norquist in washington, d.c. to join us. we'll go live to those potentially life threatening floods in north carolina next. there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber.

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driving along so you can get a view. let's take a look straight out the front of the car. you can probably see we're going down. this is the real problem here. the hillary areas. when we get to the lower area this is where the water is likely to collect. we've already had some heavy squalls come through here. the real concern in south carolina, i'm in greenville, is that we're going to get about three months of rain in three days. in fact, we're going to -- try to turn here. let's take a turn. we're near the saluta river. these are areas that are expected to crest in some places as much as 12 feet over the flood stage. in fact, we're going to come here and -- we're discovering this as we're on the air. here's a road that looks like it's been closed off. you can see where it says "road closed." i'm going to get the other camera out the window here and just take a look and see what we can see. as we look right here.

i can see that -- there we go. well, we don't see any rain gathering here. this may be one of those cases where they've closed it off in advance because they know what's happening. in portions of south carolina, we have -- come back over here. in portions of south carolina and north carolina, duke energy already reported as many as 30,000 customers have lost electricity. one of the problems is the ground is getting saturated. when gets saturated, it's a little clay around here, the weight of the telephone poles, in fact, stop right there. a telephone pole right in front of us there. the weight as we continue up here, the weight on that becomes so much with the saturated soil, it causes the telephone poles and the electrical poles to go over and takes the electricity out. they know it's going to get worse before it gets better. dorian. >> thank you to nbc's kerry sanders in greenville, south carolina. up next, it's the one phrase considered political dynamite.

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63% said yes. and when asked if the government should redistribute wealth by heavily taxing the rich, 52% agrees with that. there seems to be political will for wealth distribution. the question, is there a political way for this? >> it's difficult, as katon said, in an election. no one wants to say explicitly the ways they will do it, right? oftentimes it will be raising taxes. or let's be clear, democrats benefit from big money in ways that republicans do as well. and so to say, i will tax super rich people, is very difficult. i think the intent is stronger in the democrats. but the implementation in many ways can look similar. it can look similar in sort of the implementation phase once we get to the presidency and how he can or cannot work with congress. >> the public is very clear on this. the public believes there should

be more evenly distributed wealth. so the political will is -- it's broadly distributed, so to speak. why can't we get there in congress? >> well, the politics are -- the public supports gun control too. there's a lot of things the public supports that are not getting through. you know, money interest and interests that are well organized tend to dominate. it's not surprising the bernie sanders plan is not moving even though he has lots of support for it. on some of the rhetoric of bernie sanders. even hillary clinton doesn't use it. barack obama doesn't speak this way. the republicans don't. really where sanders is talking about -- talking about redistributing wealth in a bold and aggressive way. the republicans talk about social mobility. you're almost having two different discussions. one is about redistributing the wealth and the other is how do we help the bottom go up.

sanders is say something a lot of americans are agreeing with. but still feels radical in our politics. >> we're at least getting back to issues and away from personalities in this election cycle. what would a real substantive debate look like in this election? >> i think both compare -- both trump and sanders, both are speaking to a definitive base. both offering hope in "i'm going to get you rich." >> like me. >> i don't thing you believe it either. so bernie sanders has done the same thing. i'm going to make your life better. i contend if you think the government was going to make you better, you're going to get in a long line waiting to do that. i think that's what the voter finally unpacks, is do i really believe that can happen. he believes it's going to be great, will make you better, and as a base on our side, just like there's a base on the sanders side saying, you know what, i think i'm going to take a look at that. i think most reasonable people are saying, you know, i've heard it before. it's not going to happen. the government's not going to

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we continue to mourn the lives lost in thursday's shooting in rosebeurg. but imagine the death toll in oregon times five. after the chicago tribute calls the city's deadliest september with at least 60 homicides. this week started on a particularly grim note in chicago. six people were shot and killed and at least eight others were wounded over a 15-hour period. the first shoot took place monday evening when a family on its way back from an outing was duaned down in the back of the yard's neighborhood on the south side of chicago. the shooting left three wounded including an 11-month-old boy. chicago deputy chief of detective eugene roy told reporters in a second two generations of that family were wiped out. residents of the community were outraged.

>> something needs to be done or the community needs to be policed better. when you have babies that's out here getting shot. >> a second multiple shooting occurred five hours later at a playground where two men and the mother of a 4-year-old were killed. these stories don't garner the national attention like the mass murders in roseburg, oregon or new town, connecticut or aurora, colorado. but maybe they should. joining me is the reporter for the chicago tribune who has been activity locking shootings. and the national director of the black youth project. prm president obama when taking questions after announcing arne duncan's resignation yesterday mentioned chicago violence in the context of the oregon shooting. i want to play that for you. >> i'm deeply saddened about what happened yesterday but a arne's going back to chicago. let's not forget this is happening every single day in forgotten neighborhoods around

the country. every single day. kids are just running for their lives just trying to get to school. >> do you share the president's frustration more is not being done to stop violence in your community? >> i think it was absolutely appropriate to lift up violence in chicago while talking about the secretary of education. because right here in chicago, our young people, yes, they're running to get to school, but so many of them don't even have a school to run to or it's a different school to run to because we've witnessed over 50 school closings. so our children are facing violence, not just between folks who look like them but also from the city of chicago that tells them that, you know, your education and your life doesn't have that much value. and it's disheartening. and it hurts. i grew up on the south side of chicago. i grew up in a city that has

experienced and witnessed decades divestment from black communities. and so we're told every single day. our children get these messages every single day their lives have less value than the children on, say, the north side of chicago. when i hear the president talk about what's happening in the city and what our children have to face, there has to be responsibility for the systemic violence our young people face and that responsibility absolutely lies from the mayor's office to the governor's mansion. >> i want to come back to the systemic problem. but first, alex, because you've been reporting on this, tell me a little bit about what you see at the scene of these shootings. >> depending on what happened at a particular crime scene, neighbors might be out. family members of the people who were wounded or dead. sometimes the bodies are lying there in the crime scene. little kids and other people, they witness that and they have to deal with that.

i try to talk to people, whoever is willing to talk about what is going on in their community as part of what i do. >> tell me why you think crime significantly higher in chicago than in other parts of the country from what you're seeing and reporting on. >> so it's a combination of different factors. the crime rate has been going down since the 1990s. but it's very much persistent in chicago still. as you said. one big factor is gang activity. the closing of public housing projects it around the city and over the past years have forced gangs to fight with each other over the territory a lot of the time in some of these communities. >> alex mentioned the closing of public housing.

you mentioned schools. i want you to respond to the question about the effect on kids and teens that are exposed to these crimes in their communities. what are you seeing in terms of the people you talk to in your community? >> so what i see every single day as i mentioned, i grew up on the south side of chicago. i currently live in the kenwood neighborhood, which is right up the street from the high school where hadia pendleton was shot and killed. so our young people, they see these things. they don't just see it on the news. they see their friends. they also think about themselves. i see myself in, like, young women who are killed like rakia boyd, i just can't help but think of rakia boyd, by the police. i can only imagine what young people are thinking when they hear chicago is dangerous, black people are killing each other, and they don't actually see people talking about with as much energy about the value of their lives. what they do see are concerned

mothers in neighborhoods like inglewood. you see black mothers standing up every single day and taking control over their neighborhoods and demanding these things stop. at the same time, these are the same mothers who oftentimes have no job or the job they go to is actually a low-wage job. are living in communities -- >> i have to cut you off because we're out of time but thank you so much for joining us from chicago. >> yes, no problem. >> and here in new york, thank you to alex, thanks for your reporting on this for the chicago tribute. come up next, threatening weather bearing down on the east coast this weekend and the mayor of roseburg, oregon, on the latest we know about thursday's deadly shooting. after we're all inside for a while,

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karins on the weather putting parts of the east coast at risk this morning. >> the storm is -- unfortunately, our friend jim cantore said, he just said we finished the first quarter. i hope not. i hope we're at halftime. because we're only in the first quarter, this is going to be a horrendous nightmare in the area. first off with the hurricane up here, this is exiting the bahamas. the whbahamas assessing how bad the storm was. this is the aircraft now in the air flying over the top of the islands just doing damage assessment to help the government there. because they don't even know how bad it is. there's a blackout because there's no power. we haven't gotten word or many pictures out the devastated islands. we're dealing with charleston, south carolina. there are people on paddle boards going through the city. it's right along the river, right along the waterfront. they've had six inches rain in the last 12 to 18 hours. the water levels are coming up in the rivers too because of all the flooding. here's another view of the downtown area. it doesn't look catastrophic at this point.

high tide's not until about 1:00 this afternoon. these water levels are going t continue to go up and we are going to see water, unfortunately, in people's hopes. this is what we call atmospheric river, hose, choose your term. this is torrential rain. usually it's progressive with a cold front or thunderstorms. now it's focused right into the charleston area. if we're only halfway or less through this event, i can't imagine what it's going to look like by midnight tonight if we keep this hose focused right over orangeburg and the conditions to columbia will continue to get worse too. these are estimates of how much rain has fallen into the region. when we start to get to pink and blueish and purple light colors, we're talking up to 8 inches at the airport. we've had flash flood warnings up in this region for a while. they'll probably be extended through midnight tonight as we keep up with the rainfall. unfortunately, here's the

redictions. still another ten inches of rain is possible. we could get another ten inches on top of that? i mean, talking about historic rainfall event there in south carolina. >> bill karins, thanks so much. later in the hour, we'll be going to our correspondents for reports from the ground. we're also following this breaking news story. a u.s. flag container ship is missing in the bahamas among the mass imwaves of hurricane joaquin. it's been 48 hours since communication with the ship was lost. at day break, the coast guard resumed its search for the ship which has 28 americans and 5 polish nationals on board. when the ship left jacksonville florida on tuesday, joaquin was just a tropical storm. we'll continue to bring you updates on this missing cargo ship as we have them this morning. right now, we turn to the other big story we're following this morning. that is the latest developments on the deadly shooting on thursday in roseburg, oregon. where ten people were killed, including the shooter, and nine others were injured. just yesterday, douglas county

sheriff hanlin released the names of the people who were victims in the shooting. the shooter left a note at the scene of the crime. >> reporter: as you said, we're starting to get a more coumplet picture of who this man was, the shooter here in this rural oregon community. he was actually a student in the class where the shooting occurred at umpqua community college. as nbc news has reported, officials saying, he was actually discharged from fort jackson, from the u.s. army, for failing to meet the minimum requirements to serve in the u.s. army. we also learned yesterday from the sheriff at the public safety billion behind me that he owned 13 guns, 6 of which were recovered at the crime scene. we do not know yet the cause of death of the shooter, whether it

was self-inflicted or otherwise or possible motives. we hope to learn those later today at a news conference again at the public safety building behind me. what's really incredible right now is you're seeing the community come together. we're seeing groups of people come in, bringing foot, treats for the first responders of this community, including people wearing t-shirts in support of a young man killed in a school shooting in 2015 elsewhere in oregon. we're also hearing the blood drives have been overwhelmed here in the area. lots more information coming today. we will be here the entire time. >> thank you to jacob in roseburg, oregon. we're going to go right to south carolina where officials have breaking news about the hurricane. >> scheduled to see up to 7 more inches of rain. at particular risk are counties, brunswick, new hanover and pender county in the southeast as well as counties west of asheville. i'm now going to review the current situation regarding

flooding caused by our heavy rains. on thursday, the governor declared a state of emergency for all 100 counties. he also directed that the state emergency response team provide a full spectrum of response capabilities. this team includes all state agencies, as well as our private sector partners and our volunteer partners. governor mcqueary's guidance to me was to mobilize the necessary resources that would enable us to provide timely and decisive support. to that end, we activated the eoc here at a level 3, as well as two nceem commodity warehouse, seven swift water rescue teams, one urban so i and rescue team, one ambulance strike team and over 150 national guardsman that have a very different types of skill sets. we've deployed these assets strategically throughout the state so we can ensure speed to

the need wherever an issue arises. we're constantly adjusting locations in order to remain tactically sound. fema's also working with us in the state at the eoc, although at this time, we don't anticipate needing any federal resources. i think it's important to note that these resources are only a small part of the team. our local partners at the county and municipality level have multiple highly skilled resources that can be brought to bear against any hazard or threat by their emergency services director. the state augments their team upon request. so let's move to the current weather situation. over the last 24 hours, the entire state has received significant amounts in some local areas almost up to a foot of rain with the most being in the extreme southeast. we're experiencing minor flooding in various rivers across the state. but generally speaking, our rivers are holding up well.

we will have a break in the heavy rainfall in the eastern and central part of the state today, but we feel like that's going to be coming back here later on during the weekend. western north carolina's going to receive up to 5 inches today. so over the next 3 days, that our rural spots to watch, southwestern carolina. they're going to receive the heaviest rainfall totals, anywhere between 3 and 10 inches. you have to look at that knowing that they're already water logged and have a high level of water all over the place in their counties and municipalities. other important information that i need to share with you is that last night in brunswick county, due to some localized flooding in the townships of callabash and carolina shores, there was an evacuation where it was somewhere between 400 and 500 people. although the number of people were evacuated, there's currently only eight people in a shelter that they opened in west

brunswick high school. >> okay, we're going to continue to bring you updates on the storms putting carolinas at risk today. joining me now is the mayor roseburg, oregon, mayor rich. please allow me to extend my condolences to you and the people of your community. >> thank you, we appreciate it. >> please tell us more about how the residents are grieving and coping at this time of loss. >> we're coming together as a community. the names are starting to be released. people are starting to realize they either know them or somebody they're close to knows the victims or those who have been deceased or injured. we're going to be coming together as a community. >> president obama expressed his frustration with the nation's current gun laws. let's listen to his remarks from yesterday's press conference. >> this will not change until the politics changes and the

behavior of elected officials changes. and so the main thing i'm going to do is i'm going to talk about this. on a regular basis. and i will polite size it because our inaction is a political decision we are making. >> mayor what do you think your state might do about gun control after this tragedy? >> well, i think at this point, we need to grieve as a community. after that, people need to come together, start talking about the issue, and i hope that we look at the entire picture, don't just focus on gun control. we've got mental health issues. we've got copycat issues. we need to look at the entire picture and figure out how are we going to stop this problem. >> mayor, the sheriff leading this investigation has been a vocal opponent of gun control measures and he reportedly penned a letter to vice president biden after the sandy hook shooting, saying he would not comply with gun control laws from the obama administration.

how confident are you in the sheriff's ability to lead the investigation, given his stance? >> i think you'll find that all of us want the problems solved. we're going to look at what works. to quickly say any one individual thing is the cure-all i think is crazy. you need to look at the entire picture and make sure you deal with the entire package to solve that problem. >> we know that authorities recovered 13 guns from the shooter's homes and the school. they say all the firearms were publiced legally and sellen were purchased by the shooter and family members. how does this illustrate the functionality of our current gun laws? >> well, you can buy one gun, you can buy a number of guns, as long as it's legal. there's no rule as to how many you have. all it takes is one gun to create a mess like this. so i don't get too worked up over how many guns somebody has. i deal with the individual what's happening and how do we put a stop to it. >> thank you so much to mayor larry rich in roseburg, oregon

and, again, our condolences. >> thank you. up next, the different ways we've seen former governor jeb bush and senator warren address issues particular to black voters. if you're running a business, legalzoom has your back. over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here. ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

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turning now to politics and how politicians address issues related to race. our focus is on two politicians in particular. one of the politicians is running for president. the other has been repeat lid urged to run for president and has repeat lid declined. both addressed the need for opportunity but in very different ways. first, jeb bush speaking at a recent campaign event in south carolina. when a supporter asked mr. bush how he planned to reach out to

the african-american community, the candidate toted his support for school choice and offered this assessment. >> our message is one of hope and aspiration. it isn't one of division and get in line and we'll take care of you with free stuff. our message is one that is uplifting that says you can achieve earned success. >> he tried to explain his comments but seemed to end up doubling down. >> we need to make our case that an aspirational message fixing a few big complex things will allow people to rise up. that's what people want. they don't want free stuff. that was my whole point. >> on that same day, we heard a different approach from elizabeth warren. warren connected black limes matter activists to the civil rights movement the 1960s and the struggle against structural inequality. >> in the same way the tools of oppress were woven together a package of civil rights laws

came together to protect black people from violence, to assure access to the ballot box and to build economic opportunity. or to say it another way, black lives matter. black citizens matter and black families matter. [ applause ] >> two very different approaches on the issue of equal opportunity and the role of government. one that is sure to be an ongoing story line in the 2016 race for the white house. at the table, david k. johnson, professor at syracuse university law, author of "divided." perry bacon jr., nbc news political reporter. christina greer, author of "black ethic niiethicics." and katon dalton, former south carolina gop chair. welcome back, panel. christina, i want to start with you. i thought elizabeth war ren's

speech, calling on everything from voting to policing. while the democrats have to match her passion to win black votes? >> no. we do know black voters are incredibly savvy. i think what we've seen in the past, especially with hillary clinton, is she will adopt certain rhetoric. bernie sanders is so far to left, i really can't see him being the nominee. he will force them to speak more clearly about the implementation of how we can develop policies. i unfortunately, you know, because elizabeth warren isn't running, we have to make sure we put pressure on the democratic candidates. the republicans right now have not shown any candidates that

would attract african-american voters. we know on the large scale in presidential elections, african-americans vote for the democratic party around 93% historically. republicans have not provided any beingagement, message, plan, for attracting african-american votes, besides saying we don't want to give you free stuff. >> i want to go back to the republican question, but i want to stay on democrats for a moment. about what warren said about black lime lives matter and ge to respond. >> listen to the voices of today's generation. incredible voices. listen to them say, if i die in police custody, know that i did not commit suicide. watch them, when they march through the streets, hands up, don't shoot. not to incite a riot but to fight for their lives. to fight for their lives.

>> so perry, the democratic presidential candidates from hillary clinton to bernie sanders to martin o'malley, they've all struggled in their responses to black lives matter. what can they learn? >> i think she learned something from watching their failures. sanders in his campaign kept saying racial deaths will be solved why solving economic problems. you saw in her speech, she said, explicitly, racial justice is not the same as economic justice. i think she's learned from them. i would say on the policy, hk hk has talked a lot about getting rid of voter idea laws. she's pretty much where warren was in terms of the policy. if you watch the video, i think her approach to the movement was probably not as good and not as supportive as warren's was. i think clinton could learn something from warren's speech. in terms of the policy, pretty much all in the same place.

much different than the republicans of course. >> finally now to republicans. jeb bush's comments not only echo past comments by candidates like mitt romney but also republican voters. a pew survey found the majority believe the country has done enough to achieve racial equality. most democrats do not. clearly jeb bush with those comments is playing to his base. what will happen come the general election? >> there's a divide when you have the republicans versus democrats. the republicans are going to use the facts. 668 billion federal dollars a year spent on poverty. $75 billion in the food stamp program. >> is that white americans or black americans? >> i can't tell you who all is getting -- the recipients of that. >> it's in the reddest counties in terms of food stamps. >> could be. i think governor bush, never underestimate his ability when the light really shines. i think he is a caring individual. i think he's talking to who's

going to be the nominee. i think early on jeb has talked about what it takes to win the election in general. there was a lot of criticism. it gave donald the room to come in and capture 21% of the vote. so don't -- i've got the criticism of what jeb said. he's talking about the opportunity to create what he created in florida as governor which is a pretty good record he hasn't talked enough about. >> david, jeb bush maybe has a point on poverty programs. because as ronald reagan once said, we fought a war on poverty and poverty won. same question, how is this going to play in the general election when he has to attract more than white voters in the south? >> i honestly don't know. what i do know is rich white people get lots of free stuff from the government. they get a step up on assets. they have a whole set laws to protect their property and their

interest. and that we have put barriers to people being successful. you know, we have spent tens of billions of dollars to move jobs out of inner cities and then not provide any public transportation to them. we have set up a whole system of raising the cost of public education after high school to cut people out who aren't already well off. and then burdened those who managed to make it across with debt that will continue until your hair is gray. so we need to do a lot. and we never fought a war on poverty. we had a skirmish with poverty. >> your hair's a little gray so some of you are still paying off debt. still more to come. because something incredible happened in the united states senate this week. this story is real. it's important. it once seemed impossible. but it happened this weekend because of all the other news, hardly anyone knows about it. that story is still to come.

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as hurricane joaquin churns in the atlantic, rich tropical moisture. a double hit of open water and fresh water flooding. reports of water entering homes in charleston. and even 100 miles inland, rivers are starting to swell. joining me now is nbc news correspondent sarah dallof in columbia, south carolina. you spoke ton the m the mayor. how are they preparing? >> reporter: they are sandbagging businesses in flood-prone areas. the south carolina governor encouraging people in low-lying areas to relocate. here in columbia, the mayor is urging people to stay off these water logged and potentially

dangerous streets. >> so all the things we can control. the folks who are in authority are working to control those. those that we can't, we remain cautiously optimistic that things will continue to go our way. >> reporter: the rain has been a steady drizzle over the last hour or so. right now, the storm drains are keeping up. the forecast however still calling from anywhere from 12 to 18 inches of rain through monday. and winds could also factor in to potential damage. the trees haven't shed their leaves yet. we could see some tree damage leading to widespread power outages. another thing to keep your eye on as we continue into this weekend of wet weather. back to you. >> thank you to nbc's sarah dallof in columbia, carolina. going even further, with nbc news correspondent kerry sanders. emergency management officials

are already reporting one death connected to flooding in the upstate. do you see people out trying to drive in these conditions? >> yes, there are folks out, because really it's a little early for them to be overly concerned about the safety of being out. as you look out the window here, we're driving down what is a relatively low lying area. you can see the roads are open. we'll slow up and let this car go in front of us. folks are taking care of what they need to do. hopefully, in many cases, they're preparing for what is going to be potentially a real serious problem. understand how much rain is expected here. they believe it could be as much as 12 inches. maybe top out even at 15 inches. this would be about three months worth of rain in a matter of three days. the problem is of course the ground is already saturated and is getting worse. some of the trees we're looking at right now may come down because the winds could gust up

to 35 miles an hour. saturated ground. all of of that adds together with potentially a real problem of trees coming down. we already know there are some electrical lines that have come down. duke energy says that between 20,000 to 30,000 folks right now are already without power. what we're going to do is i'm going to take you, dorian, up here. to get into a position to sort of take you for a quick view of the ready river here that runs through the area. i'll hop out of the car. i'll take this camera out with me. here we go. let's take a look here. i think what you really get a sense of, this is -- here we go. this is before the really big rains come. as i take a shot down there. so remember this shot where we see the water flowing. because i have a feeling later today and tomorrow we're going

to see a completely different picture. in fact, dorian, as you can see through the trees there, you can see already some of the water is running off. so that's sort of a snapshot of what is going to come but is not here just yet. okay. >> great, thank you to nbc's kerry sanders in greenville, north carolina. please be careful on those roads. up next, the thing the u.s. senate did that could change the lives of millions of americans.

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thursday when senate republicans and democrats introduced a broad measure that would make sweep changes to criminal justice in the u.s. including the ditching of some harsh sentencing rules and a limit to sole tarry confinement for juveniles. the bill comes at a time when sentencing reform has emerged as a key issue in the presidential election and as the obama administration continues to forge a new course on criminal justice. here is republican senator charles grassley, the powerful conservative chair whose support is critical introducing the bill. >> for the first time we're cutting back the mandatory minimums so they apply more fairly. including the federal three strikes rule to 25 years. a limit to the use of mandatory

ten-year sentences for nonviolent offenders. the measure also includes steps to expunge records for nonviolent juveniles not tried as adults or convicted of domestic violence. a step prioritized by booker, a new jersey democrat who was instrumental in adding provisions that could help eliminate some of the racial disparities in the prison system. what is the overall climate when something like this receives bipartisan support? >> on this particular issue, the crime levels went down. there's bipartisan agreement in the states and nationally as well. it's a rare issue where i would argue there's bipartnership in part. the danger now is this is not a

priority for republicans. so it's not clear to me anybody who knows if the house is going to take this up. >> i know you're proud of your fellow north carolinians. what about the presidential campaign? the usual dog whistle they use on presidential elections, what's going to happen in terms of the -- >> i think you'll see a shift in it. conservatives who come from texas and governor perry's no longer in the race. who put in drug courts. who didn't open three brand-new prisons. it's more of a conservative idea now. nobody's in favor like they were in the '80s and 90s of more prisons. we're looking -- and i think you saw with tim scott, especially people getting to know him.

you saw people who said, you know, people deserve a second chance. that's what this is about. so i think it's a little bit about the presidential election. people also would like to see washington do some things. this is a thing i think will not hurt republicans. the crime bills of the 80s and 90s, everybody's three strikes, turned out to be very expensive. so i think it started with texas and other states. it started with drug courts giving people the second chance. i think it shows there's a piece of humanity in washington. i hope you see with the leadership change this is something they can all get together and do. the american public would like to see the republicans and democrats in general. the ones who matter in the next election would like to see something like this happen and it makes sense. >> christina, katon just mentioned this is a shift, also for democrats. there's a bipartisan consensus in the 90s in the crime bills. how do we understand the shift?

>> we know the republicans see this as an economics issue. democrats largely see this as more of a moral, theoretical fundamental american democratic issue. small "d" democrat issue. the fact that, you know, i don't think it's lost on us that cory booker is one of the people spearheading this. he has a record of working across the aisle when he was mayor in newark. i don't think it should be shocking that tim scott's working on this. in the sense they're new to the game, right, so they aren't as hardened. if you're felting it done and it's helping the american people and will decrease the mothers and fathers and brothers in the criminal justice system, we need to run with it. hopefully, this will become a priority in the presidential campaigns as well. >> we need to get states to do this and it's a great first step

in the right direction. we also got to get rid of mandatories entirely. >> all right. to be continued. of course, never enough time. i want to thank christina greer and katon dalton. forget the bills, forget the politicians. the men taking criminal justice reform into their own hands.

last sunday, pope francis met with inmates at the correctional facility in philadelphia to offer a message of hope and support. >> translator: to give you a helping hand to get back on the right path. to give you a hand to help you

rejoin society. all of us are part of that effort. >> the pontiff's call for the public to invest more in the incarcerated added a spiritual dimension to the groundswell we've seen in favor of prison reform which reached new heights thursday as a group of bipartisan senators proposed groundbreaking criminal justice reforms including more emphasis on re-entry programs for the recently released. that last component is vital as a five-year study by the bureau of justice statistics found that nearly 57% of re-arrested prisoners were arrested in the first year of their release from prison. what this often means is recently released prisoners lacking the re, sos to survive as civilians return to criminal activity to sustain themselves. the first 72 plus, an all volunteer group of formerly incarcerated individuals know this reality firsthand and step in to help louisiana's

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louisiana has become a microcosm for the prison complex. with some 15,000 individuals being released from incarceration annually. nearly half those released will return to prison because they

lack the resources needed to acclimate to civilian life. our foot soldier of the week. the first 72 plus is hoping to help fill that void through training and outreach. and this msnbc original report, producers went to new orleans to follow the group's work with a new client during his crucial first three days of freedom. >> i'm not going back to prison. i ain't going back. i gave them 16 years. ya'll got that. you got 16 years of my life. i'm on another road now. as long as i stay in the shelter of god, i'm going to be all right. >> we're here to pick up gregor finney. it took him a week to process the paperwork. he's being released. we're on our way to pick him up.

>> when i was inside, i was helping people get out, and now i'm outside and i am still helping people get out. if there is any joy of visiting a prison, the joy of coming out is the reality that i'm coming to extract somebody from here. i am coming to literally do a jailbreak. i am coming to do a domestic takeout. fi finney is in jail for a distribution of heroin, and he had a life sentence, but we were able to get the laws changed for him to be eligible for parole. so it is exciting that we are

going to get him. just less than a dozen years ago i was on the other side of this fence, hoping and praying that one day somebody would come and get me and that day came. >> hey, you know. >> hello. >> you out, brother. that's it. you out, brother. ain't no more of this. just something that you had to pass through, bro. >> it is a beautiful feeling. i can't breathe. oh, lord have mercy. this is beautiful. this is beautiful. >> that beeping? >> yeah. >> that is letting me know that i don't have the seat belt on. >> yeah, it was not doing that when i left. >> right. that is the remote to let you in the car, but as long as this is close to the ka, it will start the car up. and this is the backup camera

for folks who cannot see behind them. >> so you can see behind you? >> yes. >> and this is an expensive car, huh? >> no, this is a regular car, bro. well, big boy, it is about time we get you back home. >> this is my home. it has changed. >> and the first 24 to 72 hours that an individual is released, it is the most critical time of his life, and that is going to determine whether or not he is going to make it out here in society or wind up right back in the penitentiary. but these guys are coming at you with $10 and a bus ticket, and if you don't have any help, you help but fail. >> all right. brother, this is the temporary life. >> okay. oh, man, it is nice.

>> if you have family support, well then you will make it, and you can make it, because you will have the help that you need, but a loft people don't have that support. >> show me where you are two ing to the be at, bro. this is where you will be. >> okay. >> for the last seven years when the guys come home, they come straight to us, and we provide them with the wrap around services ta they need. get them the i.d.s and the birth certificates and the social security cards, and each one of us go inour pockets to give them $100 or $50 and give them shoes or clothing or whatever they need. >> all of the guys in our program is doing good. i mean they ain't doing great, but they are doing good. >> and i am looking for finney to really, really excel. that the life sentence that he had scared him straight. he knows that he has to stay out here on the street, because if he goes back, he is going back

to die. he has a life sentence, and so he will go back to the penitentiary to die, and so he has no other choice but to come out here and do the right thing. the majority of the guys that we have dealt with so is far are guys that we were in the penitentiary with, and it makes all of the difference in the world. >> and how we roll with this, finney. >> talk to me. >> one strike and you are out. and you have been down 16 years, and you know the rules, and you know what it is from the other end. >> and take finney for instance, i am talking to him as a come raud, because i have been in his shoe, and i'm still in his shoes, because we are just free now. we still formally incarcerated peopl people. >> this is my first time here. how are you? >> what's up? >> i have my family to tell them

that they have the confidence that my old life have passed away and they have not seen the side of me. my street life affected my life at home, and being incarcerated, bro, for 16 year, you think that i'm going back to that? huh? no, indeed, no. i would prefer to have anything other than that. i gave the system 16 years, and that is all they can get from me. my grand kids have my time, and i have seven of them, and my time is for them. i can't change the past, and i can't be the father that i could have been, but i can be the grandfather that i am going to be. >> i love you, pa p pa. >> with the strength of the family, i'm going to be all right. special thanks to the producers of this story, david zulnik and david zee. thank you for watching, and i

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