dangerous system is taking hold as a complex system is taking aim to southeast jer is si down the coast. and it is leading to historic rains and leading to e evacuations, and flooding in the carolinas. this is the scene in charleston, south carolina, and looking at this incredible video here where rain soaked trees were toppled here into the home. it shaved off the entire front of the house, but incredibly, the family escaped through the back of the home without injury. at the same time powerful storm joaquin is churning aoff of the east coast. and right now the coast toward is look foing for a missing car ship that ran right into joaquin. there were 33 people on board of the ship heading from florida to puerto rico. >> there is a concern that they were disabled right in the vicinity of the eye of joaquin,

and they were in a dangerous sich isation, and disable and--e situation, and disabled and we knew they were listing. we have tried to make communications with them, but we have not been able to do that. >> system of the islands have taken a direct hit from hurricane joaquin. and we are going to go to our reporter sarah dollop who is there in south carolina, but first to bill karins with the latest. >> it is heading from charlesburg to charleston. this is not moving and this is what we feared when we thought that we could get 15 to 20 inches of rain here. and you could see the plume, and it is like you literally took the garden hose, and put it in the backyard for ten straight hours, you will get horrible flooding, and a different view over here. let me show you this graphic that we put together, and this

is ten hanced satellite imagery, and the coldest colors are the cloud tops, and you see the thundersto thunderstorms off of the coast, and there is lightning off shore, and you will see that it is is 24 hours' worth movement, and we had one 16 inches of rain up there along the south carolina and north carolina border last night, and now the axis has pivoted for the next 24 hour, and maybe we are not halfway through the event anymore. and let's look at the specifics here with south carolina for sure. this is the rainfall estimates, and click on here to give you the estimates of seven inches here, an just off of the shore here in charleston, and eight inches and the airport with little bit over six, and the downtown 6 1/2. and if we are one-third of the event they could end up with 18 to 20 inches of rain, and that is why we have flash flood warnings in the area. we will see how long they are extended here, and this is in the charleston area, and the warnings will continue through

the afternoon. this is how much additional rainfall, and not including what has fallen, and the computers are are calling for charleston to orangeburg, and the area that we were watching, they could get an additional 6 to 12 on top of the 6 to 8 they already are have. and our friends who picked up an 8 at myrtle beach, they will pick up an addition al up to 12 inches. and now the potential of the east coast, and advisories from boston the cape cod all associated with the strong east/northeasterly winds. and we have warnings from the farthest northeast to the florida. alex, in charleston, they have wa water coming at them from different directions, the rain and the ocean, and it is combining at 1:00 to 4:00 this

afternoon for one of the worst floodings they have seen there, and ever since hurricane hugo in 1989. >> i will tell you, relentless is what it seems. thank you so much, bill karins. now, let's go to columbia, north carolina, and sarah dallop, and how are things there? >> well, it is a steady forecast here, but there is a prediction of anywhere from 18 to 24 inches of rain. they have done everything they can, lowered the dam, and cleared out the sand drains, and sandbagged businesses. there is no e evacuations ordered right now, but the g governor has asked people in low lying areas to relocate, and stay home, and avoid the water logged and po ttentially dangers roads. >> i want to make sure that they are safe is and sound. we are not foolish enough to believe that we we can control the weather, but we can be as

prepared as possible, and we can make sure that each and every one of us knows how to be as safe as possible. and we can be incredibly reresponsive, and when things happens, we want to make sure that the emergency response folks are there to deal with the situation. >> reporter: and the rain has been is the steady and the storm drains are able to keep up, but there is more cause for concern, a and that is the potential of the high winds, because the leaves have not shed the leaves for the fall, and so they are heavy, a and a possibility they could be toppled by the high wind, and cause widespread power outage, and another thing to worry about on this wet weekend. >> thank you, sarah dallof. and also, a search continues for a missing ship which was r carrying cargo from puerto rico to jacksonville. >> we don't know the status.

>> reporter: missing at sea, the 35-foot cargo ship with 38 crew members including 28 americans dis disappeared in hurricane qjoaqun just as it was setting off floods. the ship was expected to reach san juan, puerto rico, friday, but it vanished. at 7:20, the coast guard received a distress call from the coast guard saying it had taken on water the. >> when you are disabled at sea, you are vul nnerable, and there were 20 to 30-foot waves out there. >> al farrfaro has not been hea from since, and the captain is experienced a hen would not take unnecessary risk. >> the captain knew the condition, and he radioed back

to the head quarters that the conditions as he saw they were favorable, and the ship was doing well. >> reporter: and all of this is doing little to comfort if the -- to comfort the family members who want them home. >> we need them home safe is and sound and we need everyone's prayers. >> these are fathers and husbands missing out there, and most of the family members are already here in jacksonville, florida, and anybody who is not here are being flown in to get the most up to date information on the search that continues here the today, alex. >> than you. that is from jacksonville. and now, that is a look at ocean city, maryland, and the surf there churning steadily this morning. again, we will stay on top of the weather up and down the eastern seaboard. now news in afghanistan.

there is a look at whether an american air strike attacked a building that contained three members of the doctors without borders there. john, any word on this from the u.s. officials? >> the u.s. is investigating ash and the pentagon does confirm carrying out an air strike against individuals they say that were threatening the force, and the report says that there may have been collateral damage to the nearby medical facility. and afghan officials say that 15 taliban forces were shooting at the 2 hospital, and that is something that the doctors without borders strongly denies, and the afghan official says they tried to move the workers and the patients to a safe place, but the charity says that the 7 of the 10 dead were patients from the hospital's icu unit, and the intensive care

unit, a nd three of them are children. the official of the charity tells us that they are devastate and disappointed and both washington and kabul knew the hospital's gps coordinates, and yet the assault continued for 30 minutes after they told the military they were being hit. doctors without borders sent out the pictures that you are seeing showing the wounded staffers in the hallways, and surgery and makeshift treatment rooms so that there is outrage and complaint being spread on twitter by all sorts of supporters of doctors without borders, and an award-winning organization, and they say they want a full investigation as to how this could have happened. alex. >> yeah, that is a hell of a mistake. john yang in london. new developments in roseburg, oregon. officials are to hold a news conference there over the tragic shooting. last night the people of

roseburg remembered the victims at umpqua community college. the dead ranged in age of 18 to 67. among them, the college freshman and a retired teacher who came to teacht ta college. one student who escaped told of the horrifying moments. >> i got out of the building and i ran as far away from the build as i could. i took shelter at the campus community center, and i am very lucky. there are some people who didn't make it out of there. and i pray that their families are okay, and they will be able to cope. >> well with, the 26-year-old gunman was killed in an exchange with gunfire with police, and they do confirm that he was a student at the school. >> and jacob is in oregon for us, and jacob, we have been talking about the news conference to come up in an hour or so, and anything to expect are the them?

>> well, there is not a lot we know about christopher harper me mercer who was killed in the gun fire, but we don't know the cause of the death whether it was self-inflicted or the tactical deputies that arrived at the scene. plus we don't know the motive, because we rare hearing that th shooter asked about religion before shooting them, but the law enforcement has not confirmed that nor the document that was left behind at the school. and pete williams said this letter had the shooter expressing hatred and despondency. and we also have activities of the university of oregon planning a vigil monday. we will let you know more about that. >> and yes, some funeral plans. thank you, jacob, for keeping track of that, and we will check

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an update on the relentless rain hitting much of the east coast. buildings and homes inundated with feet of water. flood watches and warnings in effect in the carolinas, delaware and parts off new jersey, maryland and virginia. on the jersey shore, a house collapsed into the water near north wildwood, and wow. what a picture. for more on that, we will go the reagan med ji from the weather channel. so how bad is it, reagan? >> well, alex, the wind is howling, and you can see that you can really hear the howl. and high tide last night ended up getting all of this sea grass

all along the village. this vil is laj is a fishing community a and lot of the people, they have beach houses here for the summer, and summer house houses like here, and joe cliff, he lives here, and he says that in the summer he comes down with the family, and it is a great time, but last night not such a great time. at 10:00 or 11:00 at night, he started to the hear the loud crash and crunching, and he looked out of the window, and few yo will see the picture earlier before the house, there it is. he heard that house, that we have been seeing on the social media as the house that is in the inlet here in north wildwood. that house was a couple of yards down the way, and at the point of the grassy sound village. somehow, it uprooted from the foundation, due to the high winds, and the high water, and then it starred to go down with

the current. as it was going down, it was knocking all of the docks along the way, and in fact, joe clifford's dock is no more. he doesn't have it, and the boat is now capsized. so if we want to switch around this way, you can see that the docks on that side with the wind that is kicking up, and the docks are kind of mish mosh, and a lot of the docks got hurt because of that house over there. so i spoke with the national weather service, and they said that about 10:00 last night, the wind peak here at 11:08 in the cape may county area was 62 miles per hour. so you can only imagine with that wind and the rain and the high tide, it moved an entire three-story house right out that way. and right now, the emergency management system, i have a call in about what will happen with that house. >> wow, that is very interesting. and how strong are you standing?

does it feel anchored in tightly or no? >> well, right now, we have to look at how strong this house is. you can see the pillars and the high tide again it is not up yet, but you can clearly see it here. over here, we spoke to the homeowner, and it has been abandoned a little while, and it starting to separate a little bit. you can see that the current not only taking it down further, but separating. >> raegan medgie, thank you so much, and extraordinary pictures from wildwood, new jersey. >> and now over to the white where president obama is speaking the strongest words yet

since is russia started air strikes in syria. >> mr. putin a had to go into syria because his friend assad was crumbling, and it is insufficient to send in arms and money, and now he has to put in his own planes and pilots. >> the russian ministries says 24 air strikes in the last 24 hours. kristin welker with us at the white house. kristen, does the u.s. have is any initiative to stop russia or willing to wait and watch? >> well, al legs, the second point is more accurate. president obama is insistent that the united states is not going to engage with rush sharks and president obama saying in the news conference yesterday, that he believes that russia will ultimately get itself into a quagmire, and realize that the air strikes, some of them believed to be misplaced might not be the right way to move

forward. secondly, president obama says that it will be stepping up the enga engagement in syria, and increase the weapons shipment, and the so far the allies have dropped more than 171 air strikes on syria, and the surrounding region all aimed to combat isis. president obama also saying that moving forward, top officials here in the united states will have contact with the top officials of russia to make sure there is no engagement with other countries dropping the air strikes. and you have members of congress who are expressing concern that the dropping of the air strikes in syria could ultimately make the u.s. have their back up against the wall. you heard him say that sit is a sign of weakness of russia, and propping up what he calls the client state, because it is in the process of collapsing, alex. >> has the u.s. been a ibl to verify the targets that they

have been able to hit, and are any of them isis targets, and is russia operating off of a satellite system where you say, this is where isis is or are they taking the word of syrian official s f officials for the targets? >> exactly right. that is part of the problem here, alex, because since the air strikes started, russia said that we are targeting isis. the u.s. has said that it does not appear to be that is the case, because based on our intelligen intelligence, according to the u.s. officials, the areas where russiatargeting seems to be inhabited by opposition forces. and when president obama was asked what to do to protect these opposition forces, he did not respond. so we cannot confirm that russia is actually hitting any site with isis. okay. back to the tragedy of oregon. what will it take for lawmakers

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a news conference is expected this afternoon from umpqua, oregon, because of a shooting that is one of a growing trend. there are 36 across the country this year, and we are finding that the mass rate has tripled from one every 200 days to 1 every 64 days. and now joining us i is pi piacarusone who is the president of the americans for responsible

solutions. >> part of the country needs to admit it is a real problem, and we can commit to fixing it as a nation, but first it takes the recognition by the country that it is a problem. and it and it is a choice we are make. and a choice like the president said that we are living like this. and there are actual solutions, and not one solution will fix everything, but things that we can do as a country to help to curb the violence that we are seeing everyday, and the community violence is what shakes us every few weeks. >> and the president showed his exasperation on the whole subject on the day of to shoot ings. and he reiterated a comment he made earlier this year. let's listen, pia. >> the united states of america is the one advanced nation on earth in which we don't have sufficient gun safety law even in the face of repeated mass killings. >> i have to imagine that there

is shared frustration there with the bt? >> y-- with the president. >> yes, we are a leader with technology and science is, and the rest of the world says, why can't america fix this out? we can be good and responsible stuards of firearms, which many, many gun owners are are, and deal with the very real problem that we are seeinging. it is not that difficult. >> and pia, what is the very least that could be done, and the easiest thing to pass, and the easiest to implement? >> simple as background checks. the gun lobby says that guns don't kill people, but people kill people, so yes, we agree. deal with the people who have access to the guns, and those with serious mental disorders and those who have a record of domestic violence, and those states who have background checks are safer than those who

don't. >> and now, in newtown, the shooting there led to what was thought to be easily passed the gun reform. but then the fateful day in 2012, the school shooting there, and they still don't have any success with the legislatures. >> yes. and all over the country, we are having success, and just yesterday, we have a bipartisan bill to have background checks in delaware. so it is happening in the state level with the absence of congress doing nothing on this issue. we will continue the work with the legislatures open to it. >> and when you look at the statistics, pia, and some people who want gun reform, and to stop all of the mass shootings, what is it that you think that is not translating with with the desire

of people to capitol hill and congress. >> well, it is a great point, because background checks are not controversial to anywhere except for the halls of congress. 70% of the gun owners believe it is a good policy to have in place. and the problem is the politics, and the fear mopgerring that happens. you know, some extreme gun lobbyists are pushing the theories and the ideas that are not viable. people are hearing the messages of would gun confiscation happen, and ban guns entirely, and these are not being discussed legitimate or anybody with power here. the gun lobby digs it up and it is a disingenuous and sick way of acting in my opinion. >> thank you, pia, for stopping by this morning.

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at 32 past, and welcome back to "weekends with alex witt" and we have breaking news along the east coast with a severe weather system releasing historic rain and evacuations along the carolinas, andch was and warnings in several areas all of the way north to new jersey. the situation is so bad in the southeast that amtrak has canceled some of the services in the region today. we go out to our msnbc meteorologi meteorologist. what are the areas that you are paying the most attention to? >> well, it is south is east charleston and southeast carolina as you can see that he i have rain has inundated the area. and we have more rain in the forecast for the next several days. the extent of the rain goes through the southeast, and we will keep an eye on this as w

well, and through the last 24 hours, we have been watching lightning strikes in the area, as well, and so that is a very heavy threat and flooding for the next three days as well, and you can see the flash flood warning throughout southeast carolina, and a very wet situation there, and we will continue to get the eyes on there, and get at least 7 to 1 inches of rain for the next three days, and very busy forecast, and let you know all about this, and the next few updates coming up. >> and from shanna we go out to the field with kerry sanders who is standing out there at the scene. what is it like? >> well, i'm in falls park, and we are driving down the road, and you can probably see us driving down the road, and it is literally getting lower and l lower, and that is the concern, the e low-lying areas. we are fortunate to have the mayor of greenville with us, and knox white is with us, and we

know that the situation could get worse, but right now, it is looking okay. >> well, so far, as you are driving around the residential area, and the river, it is higher water where where you would expect it to b and so no big surprises yet. >> and what sort of reports are you getting and how are you gathering the reports? from the residents of the community or the public works and what is the reporting? >> well, we have know where the trouble spots are, and we go through are throughout the day, and it is as everything is ex pe expe expected. >> are you calm right now? >> well, it is calm right now, and the rain has stopped giving people a false sense of security. if it gets worse tonight, that could be a different story. >> so we want to pull up here, alex, and further up the road here, and what i am going to to do so switch the camera in a

moment, and when i can switch the camera here, you will get a sense of how much water is be n beginning to fall in this area, and when i say fall, i mean like a waterfall. and let's try it one more time -- did did i push the wrong camera? sorry about that. tony, goitt bars. >> no, you don't, we are good. >> can you see that? >> yeah, we are looking at a bars on the mobil weather 1. and the one in front. >> i pushed the wrong button, and here we go. i want to show you this, because it is quite amazing. take a look over here, and tony, look down there, as we are getting down here, and so, mayor, the falls there --? wow. >> explain to us who have not seen the falls in the past the

difference of say between a week and a half ago to now? >> well, it is a beautiful a waterfall in the heart of the city, and there is a pedestrian suspension bridge, there and you are a few yards from the main stre street, and that is a little perspective, and normally, it is a waterfall with the rock features, and -- >> i don't see any rocks, so. >> yes, it is a little bit more like the mini niagara today. >> and in is sort of early in the day, and what is potentially going to happen in the coming hours, and most importantly when it is dark, because it is not like the rain quits when the sun goes down? >> well, the river runs through a park and walking trail system. it is okay an inconvenience, but they know to keep away from that area, and ta to stay off of the highways and the roads. >> i dont n't know if tony can w this, be if if you get down low, and nice and low there, and look

up, and you can see the bridge up there through the trees where the people are walking. so al a lex, you can see that up there where the people are walking, and people are out getting a sort of the look ki -- lookie-lou opportunity. >> yes, and this part of the area can flood, but on the upper ground, they are okay, and probably always people on the suspension bridge watching the water below, because it is sensational. >> and mayor knox white, thank you for joining us, and i know it is dramatic, but at this point, it is interesting, and not quite a threat. aleck, much later today that the threat may reveal itself in the community, and the surrounding communities, and of course, south carolina, and north carolina are feeling the heavy effects with 20,000 customers without electricity according to duke energy. >> thank you, kerry, for working out the technical stuff, and

tell mayor white that we are hoping that everything goes well tonight. and still up, a search for a missing cargo ship when it was going right into hurricane joaquin when it disappeared. and to oregon, we are learning more about the victims in the deadliest mass shoot ing in the history of the state. >> we are standing outside of the mercy medical center where two are being treated and three others up the road to sacred heart, and we are getting new details from the recently released survivors, one of whom was released last night, but one reported that the shooter asked the students to get into the center of the classroom, and then he asked them to which he said, i will meet you there knowing that he would not escape

the altercation alive. and we know that nine of the people who lost their lives just 48 hours ago, this is what some of the families had to say. >> jason johnson, age 34, he was proud to be a christian. jason recently enrolled in schoolt at umpqua community college. jason's mother said that he was proud of himself for enrolling in school. and so was his mother. >> we are shocked this has happened. quinn was only 18 years old. he had just graduated from roseburg high school in june. yesterday was hi fourth day of college. quinn was loving and sweet and compassionate and loving person. he always stood up for people. >> as you heard there from the family of jason johnson who was 33 years old, and his mother said that he struggled with drugs, a he had finally gotten his life back on the right path, and he was so proud to be going

to college, he said to mom, mom, how long have you been wait iin to see one of your kids to graduate from college she said 20 years. and she also felt in her soul that something was not right that day when she heard the news. monday, there is a vigil for all nine members who lost their lives. >> what a tragedy. thank you so much from roseburg. a million commercial drones could be sold this season, and coming up, what the faa is planning to do to keep the sky safe. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.

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will be sold in the upcoming holiday season, and that could become a problem, so the faa is planning to release a drone safety campaign before christmas. we will see if that helps. now to the rain that is inundating the east coast, and south carolina a and authorities have shutdown the charleston peninsula to drivers after several feet of water caused cars to stall there. and the coastal flooding is continuing there in the carolinas and up and down the east coast. and we go check in with the mike seidel of the weather channel. >> well, the winds are going to ramp up, and come right back here. and ocean city, maryland, has been gusting up to over 40. we will see 40 to 50 more gusting windsb and now we had five days last week, and the off shoot of that on the beaches, a

huge loss of sand and property. this fence was on the dune last week, and now the beech is gone, and the tide is going out right now, but the tide is not as high as it was yesterday crashing up here and eating away the beach. but when you get into sunday afternoon with the winds ramping up, we will have a tide higher than yesterday's afternoon, and here in the downtown area, norfolk, we will be flooding again, and out here in the portsmouth area, it will be losing precious sands, and it is going to be monday before it starts to slack off a little bit. right now, we have some surfers out here catching the tasty waves, and alex, you are from california and you know they are loving these six and seven footers, and we have buoy heights of 15 to 16 feet. so kind of misleading, because it is warm and not quite as

windy as it has been over the last week. and alex, the concern is down in the carolinas as you mentioned charleston, a whole lot of rain, and could be horrific flooding there continuing through tomorrow night. >> and mike, can i ask you, because that area that is cut away, and that is just from yesterday? that is 3 1/2 to 4 feet, yeah? >> well, i will the tell you that yesterday, you can see the beach here, alex. >> right. >> and when we got out here at 6:00 a.m., it was right about here, so we have lost 6 to 8 feet of the horizontal width, but it is also cut in. and last saturday, the cut can was this high, but it is out here. so you have a sense that the persistent wind which is not a lot to do with joaquin is rearranging the entire coastline here at the beachline. and north and south, big beach replenishment projects, and the beaches are nice and wide and in better shape.

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now to poll tijs. hillary clinton and vice president joe biden are in washington to the attend the human rights annual gala. meanwhile on the campaign trail candidates are weighing in on the gun debate in light of the shooting in oregon. and here is a little bit of the interview that will air on "meet the press" tomorrow. >> we have copycats who watch it and do it more here than other place, and the world can be a sick place in different ways, and we have mentally and very unstable people that is going to lead to problems. and it is not politically correct, but you can have the best security and whatever you want, but people can get in and do terrible damage. >> jeb bush is sparring back

saying that the phrase "stuff happens" was misinterpreted. >> we are in a difficult time of the country, and more government is not necessarily the answer to this. we need to reconnect ourselves with everybody else. and i resist this notion, because i had this challenge as governor and look, stuff happens, and there is always a crisis, and the impulse is to do something, and it is no always the right thing to do. >> and a spokesperson for the campaign said that the sad and becraven democrats that liberal democrats aided and abetted by some of the national media, would dishonestly take governor bush's comments out of context in a cheap attempt to advance their political agenda in the wake of a tragedy. taking shameless advantage of

the horrific tragedy is wrong and only serves as a senseless way to try to capitalize on a message. >> joining me now is our political panel susan del percio and so, susan, what are you saying about jeb bush's words? >> well, you only get so many mulligans, and he needs to stop that. >> and what about you, susan? >> well, he needs to stop saying, i got this, because he is meeting with the campaign team to say, i got this, and he

needs to stop saying things like "stuff happens" and that is not acceptable, and everything after that, it is the two words that he needs to get a more tighter interview than he does, and the needs two to three sentences to get out and get out clearly. >> and now, angela wall, there is a accusation that we glorify the gun violence. and when you look at "first read," president obama didn't pursue gun control after his reelection, when he'd never have run for office again. when democrats held the majority in the house, and even a super majority. >> well, these words were taken out of place, too. he is saying that we need to

move from gun sa move from gun control to gun sa safety. and so he used this as a basis of how the get into the white house, an sandy hook came after he was elected in the second term, 201, and since then over 1,000, and almost 1,000 mass shootings in the country. so it is time to politicize this, and the president can move it along and other things in the administrati administration. >> so this is the wrong time to politicize it. >> and not what your candidates are doing which is the worst of what jeb said is not what stuff happens, but what he said is worse -- >> ap gel la -- >> we always try to do something then, and of course, lives were lost, and under george bush for

example -- >> angela -- >> and the department of homestand security was set up as a result of a crisis. >> this is not a partisan statement, and what i am saying is that politically to get something done going into the election year especially like guns, it is putting the democrats in a difficult -- >> and then it is live -- >> angela, i let you finish, i am speaking strictly as a political maneuver, and this is not the time to do it, and he can say that he e wants to do it, and it is great pr for him, but however, it is not going to happen right now, and it is not plolitically -- >> well, the timing, and it is a political year, and why not every other year. >> and there are so many issues here, and people are dying. it does not matter, and we have

to set the politics aside, and i get the point, because i am a strategist, too, but we are at the point where it is a crisis, and we can ill afford the crisis, and i understand the point, but i substantially disagree with it. i do not want to see another child or mother or anybody else die. >> and angela, stop it. nobody does, and that is not what we are discussing. >> if that is what we want, then we have to move on it. >> angela, if you want to keep going on with that rhetoric, then fine. >> that is not rhetoric, but that is what i am speaking from my heart, and that is the real. sorry. >> nobody wants to see what happened in oregon or newtown or anywhere else happen again. >> then change the policy. >> and it is a complicated issue, and a lot of things have to be worked out, and the president is saying that it is time to do it, but i am saying that politically timewise he won't get it done. that is it. that is a political fact for the

president. >> you are absolutely right. >> and on that note, angela ryan, and susan dell percio, i share your passion on this. we will have you back. >> thank you, alex. >> thank you. and coming up, some of the latest looks at the hardest hit areas. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

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at 1:00 here on the east coast, hello, even, and welcome to weekends with alex witt. we have flooding and evacuations on parts of the east coast as an intense weather system is releasing unrelenting rain. in charleston, south carolina, the peninsula is cut down -- is shutdown to drivers. and residents are reporting flooding in homes and businesses in a area. and knbc meteorologist shanna mendiola is e foll-- is followi

the weather maps for us, and we have sarah dallov with us in charleston. >> well, we know that things can change so quickly with the forecast. and people are doing everything to prepare, opening up dams, and setting up an emergency shelter for the homeless, and sandbagging businesses here in flood prone businesses. >> we try to keep things off of the floor all of the time, because if there is a flash flood or heavy rain, there could be a problem, but we haven't had a problem in couple of years. >> reporter: with everything that the mayor and the governor is saying, are you concerned about the weekend? >> i am concerned and i'm worried about charleston being in the country on a coast, but i hope that we don't have the issue like myrtle beach. >> reporter: you will be prepared? >> oh, yes, we won't be

unprepared anymore. >> reporter: they will receive 12 more inches of rain potentially, and the e trees have not shed their leaves, and so with the heavy rain, it is causing some of them to topple. back to you, alex. >> and checking in in our meteorologist, who is seeing the worst of it right now? >> still south carolina. it is the plume of moisture that is only going to be worse in through the next 24 hours. we are looking at the cloud tops heres and the coldest spots are in the red. a lot of the storms have had lightning for the same spots for 24 hours now, and the thunderstorms are also a problem for charleston, and not only the flooding, but the heavy rain. i will pull up the radar that is extensive and all of the way up to north carolina and tennessee as well, and we relooking -- we

are looking at the flood warnings, and watches here as the tropical storms move over. even though hurricane joaquin is has been a hurricane coming through, we will not be look in a that anymore, we are going to be looking at the plume of rain that is continuing to go through to tohe area, and we will show you what is going through the areas here where where there are flash flood watches in the areas of blue. and heavy total amounts off 12 to 18 inches of rain, and that is in addition to the 6 to 12 they have gotten already. and so we are keeping our eyes over south carolina right now. >> thank you so much. and we are following this breaking story, the u.s. coast guard at this hour is searching for a cargo ship missing in the wake of hurricane joaquin, and 28 americans, and five polish

nationals are aboard the 35-foot ship which left jacksonville tuesday on the way to puerto rico, and it was last heard from thursday morning when it sent a distress call and said it was taking on water and lost power. >> and now, there is a news conference that is supposed to be under way at this hour after the shooting rampage in roseburg, oregon. eight of the victims there were student, and the ninth victim was a teacher. one student who escaped told us of the horrifying moments. >> i got out of the building, and i ran as far away as i could, and took shelter on the campus student center. i'm very lucky. there are some people who didn't make it out of there.

i pray their families are okay, and they can cope. >> the gunman was killed in a shootout exchange with the police. and the school does confirm that he was a student there. >> and now, still so many unanswered questions there, and including the motive, so we go to jacob there in umpqua community college. >> we hope to hear from the sheriff, and he has withheld information under the guise of ongoing investigation, but the motive is one aspect that we don't have much information on, and we have heard several reports of religion playing a role, but the sheriff has not addressed nor confirmed and neither has he addressed nor confirmed the issue of a letter or document left by the shooter at the scene of the crime. pete williams of nbc news says that law enforcement officials

are saying there was hatred and despondency in the letter, but the sheriff has not mentioned it. the sheriff over the last couple of days has slowly, it is fair to say, released information and we are hoping to get more on the victims if there is more information on the shooter, and the background, and most importantly, al leg, the motives. >> thank you is so much there from roseburg, oregon. from afghanistan, we are learning that the suspected u.s. air strike that hit a borddocto without borders hospital, the death toll has just gone up. john yang is following this story from the london bureau. and good evening to you from long disstance, and how is the death toll there? >> well, it has jum ped to 19.

includes 12 doctors without border staffs, and seven patients of the care unit, and secretary the of defense carter's statement said that both u.s. and afghan forces were operating gant the taliban in the area. and earlier the pentagon said that an air strike may have resulted in collateral damage to a nearby medical fa ill is ti. -- facility. there are as many as 15 afghan rebels shooting at the hospital, but it is something that the government denies. the charity says that they are devastated by this, and they said that kabul and the u.s. both knew what the gps coordinates were of this hospital. and thes a saultd continued to go for over 30 minutes. social media is filled with outrage over here this incident

from the red cross to the united nations commissioner of human rights. this is called a grave violation of international law, and demanding an independent investigation. alex? >> i bet they will get it. thank you, john yang. from all over the country, where the shooters of mass weapon we casualties getting their weapons? reddi-wip. (flourish spray noise) share the joy. share the joy. we've gotpeptocopter! ummy town. ♪ when cold cuts give your belly thunder, pink relief is the first responder, so you can be a business boy wonder! ♪ fix stomach trouble fast with pepto. awe believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights.

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that major rainstorm drenching parts of the southeast is disrupting life for people in south carolina, and that rain could be the worst in hundreds of years. one of the hardest hit is charleston where the rescues are under way and a big concern is flash flooding. warning is in effect for two hours on that front.

we go the charleston where nbc's ron blome is keeping an eye on thing things there, and what is the latest there, ron? what are you seeing? >> well, a lot of water. it is not usual that the weather service is going to say that we have a 1,000-year flood before it happens, but that is what happens. we have had 5 inches of rain last night, and another prediction is 5 to 10 tonight, and we have a heavy band of shower off shore that are about to come in -- excuse me, some people on the streets. normally, this area is full of vendors, and tourists, and the only thing now is water. back tide now, and we are getting the flooding out of the storm drains because of it, and the tide is two feet above normal. they have built new storm drains in town though, and so while it is flowing out of these over here, and major reilly is putting new ones in, and so the flooding is not as bad as it

should be, but there is so much a water in town downtown charleston. the commerce shutdown, and the merchants are taking a hit, and the wedding going on next door, and they could not get the prison in, but they found a county councilman, and he is going to be officiating here in a few minutes. there is a severe threat of flash flooding, so they are encouraging people not to walk through the water, and you don't know what you will have get to. >> and if you think that the wedding day is lucky with rain, that couple is in for a lot of good luck. and now, we look into the deadly shooting tuesday at umpqua, oregon. and now, the question is what could have been done to stop attacks like this.

and i'm joined by the spokesperson for the brady campaig campaign,, and do you see any stop to this? >> when the brady law was passed in 1993 and implemented in 1994, it was well before the internet was even a thing, and before the gun shows were big business, and now as a resouflt that here in 201540% of gun sales don't require a background check. and people are demanding action of their elected officials to finish the job of the brady law expanding to the all gun sales is, and we know it works, and alex, since the tragic shooting in sandy hook elementary school, six states have expanded the brady background checks in their state, and what we are seeing is that in those states violent crimes, and domestic abuse again against intimate partners and

suicides are cut down by half, and we know that the brady backgrounds are going to check. >> and now, it has been three years since sandy hook, and you look back to virginia tech, we know that the gunman purchased the gun legally, and we know that the aftermath was to change the loophole that allowed unstable individuals to purchase guns legally. and so now, why haven't other states followed suit? >> well, since the tragedy at sandy hook, we have had six states to -- >> just six! >> well, you say just six, but i see that is momentum on our side. that is what the american people need to show congress that 90% of americans agree with expanding the background check, and so does the nra, and it is a elected official that everyone

agrees. if the elected officials would listen to americans and not kowtow to the lobby, it could be done tomorrow. there is a wonderful big hr-3411 that expands the brady background check, and makes improvements to the national instant criminal check system. so we have a solution there. >> i was talking with pia carusone, and i asked what is the number one thing that you could be easily implemented and she said background checks. that's it. and so why so backlog and easier for the states to implement this than congress, and why not done on the federal level, and it about the gun lobby money? >> well, it is done by the state initiative, and for example in nevada, a ballot initiative in 2016, and so it going to be interesting to see if it is a

question that comes up in the debate that takes place on october 13th. we hope that it will, and the candidates will come tout support of that ballot initiative, and it is going to show the momentum that is behind the, that's behind the movement to expand brady background checks to all gun sales. >> john, look at the aurora movie theater shooting. the shooter bought three rifles at three gun stores all purchased legally. and then in sandy hook, the gunman purchased two rifles but legally, and the list is on and on, and what e beyobeyond the background checks needs to be done? >> well, we know one more thing that background checks work, and so are we going to stop 100% of gun violence? no. but we could cut it in half by 2025 and that is where the brady

campaign is focusing the efforts. brady background check, and that is a major step in that direction, but it is a mat per of going after people who we call the bad apple gun dealers who will sell a gun to anybody all in the name of making a profit, and in fact, 90% of guns that are used in violent crims s are actually traced back to 5% of dealers here in the u.s. so taking action to shutdown the bad apple gun dealers or to reform them will also be a major step in the right direction. >> jon summers, a spokesperson for the brady campaign. thank you for joining us. >> donald trump is joining us to share his views on how the prevent mass shootings, and you will hear from him next.

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ill, and they come through the cracks and they are going to be doing things that people will not believe are possible. and whether it is the school shootings which are really very prevalent in the country and seem to be more prevalent in this country. >> and katy tur joins me from franklin, tennessee, where he is holding a rally later, and given it is tennessee and hunters in the state, will we hear more on the topic today? >> we will hear more on the topic, and in the news conference in an hour or so when the reporters ask him about it, but in the rally, we are not sure. they don't give us prepared remarks before he speaks anywhere, but he does say generally the pretty much same thing every time except for a few notable riffs, but since we are in the south, and this is tennessee, and if he does talk about this issue, he will talk about the strong support for the second amendment, and he does not support strong background

checks, and that this sort of thing, and these crazy people in his words are going to be happening no matter what and you can't do anything about it, and this is what else he told chuck todd in "meet the press." >> we have copycats who site here more than other place, and the world can be a sick place in so many ways, but we have mentally very unstable people, and that is going to lead, and you know, it is not politically correct to say that you can have the best security and the best everything, but people are able to get in and do this the terrible damage. >> again, that interview was taped yesterday, but it is going to be on "meet the press" tomorrow. this is the fourth headline making mass shooting that we have asked donald trump about on the campaign trail, and the answers have not waivered much. he is a supporter of the 2nd amendment, and he does not believe in tighter gun control laws, and he believes it is a mental health issue, but what he said to chuck yesterday, that there is nothing that you can do

about it, but it is a bigger issue, on the campaign trail, because we are seeing these incidents over and over again. >> and katy, can i ask you about something that the trump campaign does not give you remarks in the advance, and is that because he doesn't go off of a prepared script or that he seems to go off of the cuff all of the time? >> no, if you watch the speeches, they are pretty much the same, and he has notes that he reads off and he does not go off of a teleprompter, and he tells the same anecdotes, and he has varied them and switched them up, and occasionally switching them up to the crowd he is speaking to, but he has been consistent to the what he is talking about, and the poll nu numbers and then the fights with other people, and the media hitting certain thing, and then he will bring up the tax plan more because he released it last week, but we expect to hear more of it today, but he is

consistent, though it is donald trump, and that is the remarks that get the attention the off of the cuff remarks. >> yes, thank you, katy tur. and it is a shooting out of the state of oregon, and should the law conceal the identity of the people who commit mass murder? that is ahead. try the superior hold... ...of fixodent plus adhesives. they help your denture hold strong more like natural teeth. and you can eat even tough food. fixodent. strong more like natural teeth. fixodent and forget it. ♪

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welcome back to weekends with alex witt. a double whammy of weather on the eastern seaboard with a system building off shore. there is h hurricane joaquin causing severe flooding as well as a complex system offshores. we are joined in greenville, south carolina, by kerry, and what are you seeing there? >> well, you can see that there are folks without electricity, and i can point over here to the camera, that you can see the pole there, and the electrical

pole snapped under the weight of, we will tell you why. you see this over here? these are the old growth oaks in the heavy rain and the wind, and it just came down tand hit the power lines, and it came down. ryan moser is with duke energy, and as we take a look at the dr crews here, tell us what you see her? >> well, with the rain, we have heavy saturation, and with the old trees with the water, this is not atypical situation, because one tree bounces into another, and snaps the trees and the snap of the poles and we spend the day trying to get the power back. >> reporter: how many people are out of electricity where duke energy provides? >> the last total is about 22,000 people and 2,000 in south carolina. >> project at home, the people

in the affected areas they are looking outside, and it is not bad, and we know that there are more waves of rain, and what is going to happen into the evening? >> well, it is a long-term event, and everybody agrees with the weather pattern. we see with the rain bringing more gusting winds 40 to 50 miles per hour whether you are in the foothills or the mountains. and for both states, north carolina and south carolina, we don't know what to expect, but we will be ready. >> and there are some obvious things, but if you see a power line down in the neighborhood, what should you do? >> don't be stupid. you need to stay far away from that. and if you have a power line down in the neighborhood, call the emergency professionals or duke power or your company and make sure they understand. if it is a power line, do not call 911, call the power company, and we will come out the take care of it. >> and people will hook up a

generator, and live on the reverse power into the house. what is the danger of the reverse power into the house when then the electricity comes back on from the power company? >> well, one thing from the p power company perspective is that the folks may not have a generator running, and that exposes them to the risk so you want to know all well known that you have a generator running, and the precautions with the machine, and all of the precautions that the power company gives you. >> and we know with the risk of hurricane, it is often the dangers that follow the rain event and the flooding like a downed power line that can cause injury or death. so you can see the folks here are work, and i can hear a horn honking over here, which is p b probably an alarm that has gone off, but the bottom line is that it is a situation here while not a disaster is certainly uncomfortable for some people, and we know it is going to be

worse as the hours and the day goes ahead here. alex? >> yes, the downed power lines complicate everything. thank you, can kerry sanders for that. and meanwhile, we were waiting a 2:00 p.m. press conference in umpqua, oregon, where there are going to be updates on the details of that shooting. the debate has started whether or not the name of the gunman in this and other crimes should be mentioned. this is what the sheriff said. >> i believe that only those who glorify his actions by using his

name, and this is going to inspire future shooters. >> joining me are sandy and jessica who are the parents of a loss to a son in sandy. >> if you have any ptsd issues from the shooting, they crop up again, and it is the realization of of course again, because we are not doing enough to stop it. when you have enough guns out in the hands of the people who shouldn't have them, this is going to continue to. and you know, when i was growing up, we had guns, and the guns stayed in our home, or they were in the trunk until we got to the shooting range or to the hunting site.

they weren't carried everywhere, and since we have gotten to the point where that is allowed so many play many pla-- so many places, you don't know whether it is a good guy or a bad guy with a gun. you don't know. >> and the reaction of of course this happened again. and lonnie, you tried to do everything but, and you still continue to do that to try to get the "of course" to go away. and you sued the online company that sold the ammunition that killed your daughter, and you lost, and you knew it would be an uphill battle, but why specifically did you lose the case? >> we did not lose the case. we did not lose the case. it was dismissed. it is dismissed because of the laws that was signed into law of 2005 by president george bush. those laws are what i call immunity laws. it gives the immunity to the gun

industry from any wrongdoing, and it takes us out of the judicial system. with this law, the judge read the law and made a statement when he charged us with the lawyers' fees that we we cannot sue gun manufacturers because of the protection of lawful commerce in arms act. and this coupled with the colorado law that says that if a case is dismissed of this the type, and if you try to sue an ammunition dealer then the law says that you must pay for attorneys fees. >> i think that one of the important -- sorry. >> that is egregious, and i want people to know that when you talk about paying for attorneys fees, i am understanding that you are saddled with a bill of more than $200,000, and -- >> it starred out as $260,000,

but in the judge's good graces, he reduced it to $203,000. >> and the important thing to know here, alex, is that we were not suing for monetary gain at all, but we were suing them to get them to change the way they do business. this killer was allowed to buy 4,000 rounds of ammunition over to the internet without even having to show any i.d., and all he needed was a credit card. that puts every american at risk, and that sun acceptable, and for wanting to pri ing tingo light, and change the business practices, we are saddled with now $203,000 of debt. >> and now, wasn't it one single motion that you went through? >> yes. >> a how does that add up to $203,000, and previously $260,000? >> well, you have to ask the nra that. >> we do believe that those

prices were run, the lawyers' fees, and the fees that were attributed to the lawsuit, and there is only one motion to dismiss, and the judge granted it, and $260,000, how is that possible? it is to the make an example of anybody who tries to the sue, you are going to be saddled with these fees which pretty much takes anybody in a normal means that's not rich, it takes them out of the system. you can't sue, because you don't have the money to sue. that is unconstitutional. >> and in effect, we have lost our civil liberties. they have been taken away from us. >> and sandy, you said that you weren't looking for monetary gain. >> no. >> and you wanted laws into effect, and change them. i want to ask you something else, you have heard the sheriff, and the president not

refer to the oregon case by name, and the sheriff says he refuses to, and some in the media are adopting that policy, and others are not. what do you think of that, sandy? >> carol and tom teves who lost their son in the aurora shooting, we were talking about constantly hearing the killer's story, and the sick orange hair and seeing him day after day after day, and she and tom started no noets rye ti and tom a -- started no notoriety and this is exactly what we want to see when the media covers a mass shooter. they are looking for notoriety and looking to become infamous, because they have had so little fame or recognition in their lives evidently, but we have known it for 20 year, and this is not a new phenomenon because

we know that mass killers study mass killers previous to them, and by doing this, we are sending out a message to potential mass killers, you won't get the recognition that you want. and hopefully that will curb a lot of it. >> before i let you go, i'd love each of you to let me know what is the most special thing about jessica that you'd like to share with the audience, and either of you can answer in either order. >> her huge spirit, and her huge love for her fellow man. her very tender, gracious, kind heart. i don't know what lonnie would say. >> i am saying that we finally, finally got jessica to be the woman where we raised her to be, and we lost her. >> yep. which has to be darn difficult. i can't imagine. and so we send our thoughts to

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contributor, and former u.s. ambassador the russia michael mcfall, and welcome, mr. ambassador, and is the president correct that the russian's air strikes will make it worse? >> well, i have to agree with the president's assessment that putin believes that anybody who is against the assad regime is a terrorist, and the bombing campaign demonstrates that, and they are not diskrcriminating against opposition groups, but bombing all of them, and in the long run, it is not a solution, and not going to be a way to bring peace and stability to the area. >> and the russian air strikes have centered on certain areas, and the attacks are taken far away from where the u.s. forces are conducting the air strikes on specific targets, and can we

continue to believe that they are assaulting isis or that they are trying to bolster bashar al assad? >> well, we share the goal with the russians to stop the isis, but that is not the main goal. and they want to defend assad, and that means fight everybody. they have had the policy for four year, and it has not worked and that is why the russians are getting involved now, because assad is losing so they have come in to try the decide to bolster the regime, and restore assad's dictatorial regime which nobody believes is the way forward for the city of syria. >> what about in hindsight, should the u.s. done something differently militarily or diplomatically to fill this void

that russia has stepped into? >> well, i would say, again, the void created is created by assad, and not the united states. it is not like he was an ally of the ud and now russia is coming in. russia has been a ally of syria for many decades. when i was a part of the government, i should have pushed ha harder for a coalition government in 2011 when there were peaceful protesters on the streets, and hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters, and isis didn't exist in syria, and that is an opportunity lost, and you know, we are now paying the consequences now. that doesn't give guidance as to what to do now, and as the obama administration has said, and the other coalition forces have said, the only way forward is through the sunni opposition, and the modern opposition, and until putin begins to engage in

the that, we will be in a long quagmire in syria. >> and now, you have had expose shure to president putin, and what do you believe his goal is right now. >> to support the ally in syria, and it is not about the naval base, and not about some e geopolitical strategy of re-establish i re-establishing russian influence in the middle east, and he believes that the sovereign states and the leaders must be supported just like him by the way. and he is a sovereign leader that is illegitimate in the eyes of sornlgs and he has said and -- in the eyes of some, and i have heard him say that their goal is to keep assad in power. the united states and including when i was in the government has said that keeping assad in power is not going to lead to the peace and stability, and that is the fundamental conflict in the last four year, and remains so to today. >> former russian ambassador

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>> good to see you. >> josh, i want to talk to you. hi appeared to be talking on taxes earlier in his campaign. what is your assessment of the plan? is it feasible, especially when it comes to the national debt question? >> no. it is an enormous tax cut. it would cut taxes by $11 trillion over a decade. to put that in perspective, that's about a quarter of the taxes that the government is supposed to take in that would go away. it is indeed a huge tax cut for the middle class. if a couple is making $100,000, somewhat in the median, their taxes would be cut by more than 50%. it's an enormous tax cut for very rich people. you take it down from about 40% all the way down to 25%. create as special 15% rate for a business income. so when you have an enormous tax cut for everybody, it's enormously expensive. he doesn't have a plan on how to

pay for that. he claims it would not reduce the deficit. it would be three years that it would be budget neutral. it's a classic donald trump thing. everything is going to be fabulous and we're going to be so rich but there's nothing backing up the math. >> i want you to listen to his exit strategy should he decide to drop out. here's that. >> the prospect of losing primaries, would you decide -- and you're not winning anymore, would you step away? >> i'm not a masochist, okay? right now i'm leading in every poll and in most cases big. i'm leading iowa, new hampshir., i'd leading everything. that's good. if i'm only leading by 1%, 2%, there's no reason to go forward. if i tank, sure, i go back to the business. why wouldn't i. >> i know you've been to hsome f his events. do you think he's in this for

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short-sighted bill, alyssalyssa? >> i don't think so. i think that's probably what he's going have to do. >> okay. josh, do you want to weigh in on that too? >> i don't know. if congress sent him another bill like this one, another bill that was short and clean and the president vetoed it, it would look like the president caused the shutdown, not congress. we've gotten fairly good at it. i think we may get a long-term deal out of john boehner before he leaves, but otherwise i think it's entirely possible the president will have to sipe another one of these bills. >> okay. thanks so much. food good to see you both. >> thank you. >> richard lui picks up our coverage of the his tore inrainstorm on the east coast and i'll see you tomorrow here at noon eastern. doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications

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