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hi. i'm richard lui and welcome to special live coverage on this saturday on msnbc. on this afternoon we're following two big major stories. floodings from south carolina to new jersey. we're already seeing some serious trouble spots and the danger far from other. and one hour from now, we're expecting to get new information on a deadly shooting from a community college at oregon. we'll have the latest about those who died in this latest tragic school shooting. we start this hour with the deadly storm battling the east coast. heavy rain, strong winds and floods affect thousands of people at this very hour. the storms stretch across several states and the southeast is taking the brunt of it. people there prepare for the worst. sarah? >> reporter: hi, richard, we have break in the rain for the first time today. it's been drizzling and pouring on and off throughout the day. storm drains, however, able to

keep up with this rain. so far right now what people are nervous about is the river that cuts right through the center of town, the conga guy river. they're expecting that will put it within a foot or some of o flooding. so a lot of nervous eyes on that river right now. as i mentioned on the city streets, things good at the moment. everybody knows how quickly that can chair, especially in places like this. i notice you have sandbags in front of your door. >> yeah. any time it rains hard, wi to it to prepare for it. we actually used duct tape across. >> you've had a lot of experience with this. >> three years ago when we opened, it flooded all the way back. we were unprepared some of we've learned or lesson. >> reporter: another cause for concern is the forecasted high winds.

the trees here haven't lost their leaves for the fall, so they're heavy. they could take lines down and cause area wide power outages. it's another thing residents have to follow. back to you. >> up in the sky is where you see the fingers of the storm. what do you see right now in terms of the clouding? >> it's great. we haven't seen the sun all day out here. gray, gray day. like i've said, it's the first real break. the mayor had issued a caution to people to please stay home, please stay off the roads in case they turn dangerous or deadly. as you can see behind me, the street is lined with cars. people not heeding the warnings right now. they looked outside. they saw the gray skies, what has been a downpour to a drizzle throughout the morning. a lot of people deciding to come out and risk it anyway. >> okay. sarah dallof, thank you so much for that report. right now let's head to

south carolina. in charlotte, three people survived after a tree came crashing into their house. as you can see, there's a lot of damage. joining us now on the phone is governor pat mccrory. what are you hearing? disaster response certainly at the heart of this and how well they're doing? >> they're doing great. in one way we're very fortunate in north carolina that the hurricane did not hit directly, especially the nags head/outer banks area. the bad news is with the hurricane hanging out there, it's holding the other rainstorm over off south carolina. south carolina is getting brunt of it. in the north carolina mountains near the broad riviera, we've got concerns. and in our southeast area, east of wilmington, between wilmington and charleston, we have major flooding.

>> governor, i know you're on call 24/7. when's the last time you had a conversation with some of your leaders, and what are they telling you? >> we had a major conference about an hour ago and a press conference also. i also talked with mickey haley. in the southeast between wilmington and myrtle beach and charleston areas could get pretty hard. in some of those areas, there's no place for the water to go. our concern is in the cal a bash area, the tourism and fishing area, we've got some concern. i'll tell you what we don't talk enough about, the agriculture area, the sweet potato farmers and kohn farmers and peanut farmers. a lot of the crops could be under water and this is the worst time of season to have that happen.

it could have an impact on the food throughout the united states. >> governor, is this near the end? is this where they harvest? >> yeah. that's the dilemma. they can't even get out to the fields. they're too wet. we'll probably not know the real ramifications until monday or tuesday. you know, these farmers put the seed down and their whole life -- their whole yearly income is gambled upon this. this could have a severe impact on the agricultural community. but from asheville west in the mountains is our major concern. the french broad river, the ngata beau river. we've had major flooding west of charlotte and then to the southeast corner of our state, we had some major flooding we had to evacuate about 200 3rks 00 people in the cal a bash, north carolina, area, right near the border of the north carolina

area. >> as a longtime north carolinia carolinian, how would you classify this? >> actually north carolina has been pretty lucky. this is very similar to the winter storms we had. they go all the way from the mountains to the coast. that's a 550-mile area. people don't realize how large north carolina is. not only are we the ninth most populous state of the united states of america. most people don't realize that. we have major urban centers that could be impacted. but we have a lot of small towns that could be impact. almost a 600-mile area. nikki haley in south carolina is having to do the same thing. it's hard to deploy resources not knowing where the area is going to hit. we thought it was going to be in the northeast airy in the outer banks. now it's moved to an area that by car in the southeast airy is

three hours and in another area, eight hours. so i'm in raleigh right now. in fact, i dropped by the football game, and it is now pouring down rain at the football game. i stopped by to see the nc/louisville game, and the sky just dropped out. >> i'm glad you're committed to high school football or college. >> i think i'm going back to the oop racing center right now. >> very good. good. >> we're watching closely. the states are working together with fema. >> governor, thank you so much. governor pat mccrory from north carolina. we appreciate it. the big question now is what is ahead. we heard the governor say we don't know. they're hoping for the best. meteorologist is watching.

>> remember, they're under a moderate drought and because of that, a lot of the soil is dry. sohn when you get a lot of rain it doesn't hold it. it started to flood. even 2 1/2 inches of rain could cause problems. charleston getting inundaded with that. we'll continue to see the heavy rain in the next few days. we won't get a break here until 7:00 tomorrow morning. very heavy rain expected. we are going to be keeping an eye on this. i want go ahead and take a look at the watches and warnings for this. you'll see we're seeing flooding because the dry air mass is driving a lot of the tropical moisture from the south into the area. it's a tropical atmospheric river. that's why we're getting a lot of rain in that area. coming up, i'll have a look at the watches and warnings and the amount of rain we've gotten from

this so far. we're not even halfway through this storm. back to you, richard. >> not even halfway through. thanks for that. we have some news. no one has heard or seen it. 28 of the missing crew members are american. they started searching as soon as the sun came up. this is a huge ship. so far search crews have not been able to find it. we're expecting more details as well very soon. thursday's mass shooting. a news conference scheduled to happen in about less than an hour. nine people were killed in that shooting. we're learning a lot more about the victims. nbc thomas roberts is anchoring the weekend news live tonight in oregon and he joins me right now. thomas? >> reporter: richard, good morning from roseburg, and we're

standing in front. right now i was just informed moments ago that only two of the injured remain here and they are listed in critical condition and one in fair condition. we expect to get an update on them later today and whether or not one of them could be released. three other people that were injured in that shooting on thursday. more severe injuries. some with gunshot wounds to the head were transported to another facility in spring fooechltd one of those students is the teen, a ana boylan. today we're hearing about her wish. >> she wants to share one thing. she's very happy to be alive, to be here. she wants everyone to realize living each day like it's your last is much more real to her

now. she sends her love to those struggling and her care out to the entire nation who's watching. >> reporter: so here in roseburg, richard, people are waking up to this news headline today. it's the pictures of all those lost and the names and the ages from 18 to 67. the nine that were lost on thursday. we do expect to get an update from officials here shortly. but the town is trying to figure out how to move forward with the healing process. and earlier today over on jackson, which is the main street here in roseburg, i caught up with a local pastor from redeemer's fellowship. this is a church that hosts about 15,000 people through four services every weekend here in roseburg, and i spoke with him how they're going to move forward and how they answer the question of why this answered. >> well, i think that -- first, let me say that that's the kind of the thing that we're going to talk about this weekend.

most churches are going to address it. the whole question about, you know, do we live in a perfect world or do we live in a world that has evil in it is obvious. thursday confirmed it. things happen in the world that aren't right and pointing our finger at god and saying, did you do this, why did you not stop this, it doesn't always make sense. it really isn't the question to ask. the question is, you know, why do we have a streak of evil in us and what do we do about that. >> reporter: it's something that a lot of people are going to be asking that question, trying to find a way to move forward with healing and for forgiveness. and, richard, as i said, they expect on a typical weekend to have between 1,5 hunl and 2,000 people. roseburg is a city with a population north of 20,000. that's 15%, 20% of the people

just going to redeemer's fellowship. and pastor steve says he expects this weekend to see those numbers increase. >> thomas roberts, thank you so much for that report there in roseburg, oregon. again, thomas roberts will be co-anchoring tonight from oregon. officials plan to give us an update on the mass shooting. we'll bring that when we get that. first after the break, his opponents are now pointing the finger at mr. obama's hometown. we dig into the debate next on "msnbc live." it's not likely to go away on its own. so let's do something about it. premarin vaginal cream can help. it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused

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now to a developing story in afghanistan. we're learning of an air strike that hit a hospital of doctors without borders has just gone

un. john wrrks does the death toll stand right now? >> you can see it's gone up. it's been going up all morning, all day. it now stands at 19. that's 12 staff members and seven patients. three of those patients, children. in addition 37 people have been injured, 19 of them staff members. now the doctors without borders say this bombardment took place other more than an hour this morning from about 2:08 a.m. to 3:15 a.m. the u.s. military, the pentagon says that they were targeting suspicious -- or, i'm sorry, threatening individuals and acknowledge that there may have been some collateral damage of a nearby medical facility. the -- there is some dispute about what was the conditions -- what were the conditions in the area. the hospital workers say there was no fighting in the area. the military, ash carter, the

defense secretary, says there was some active fighting between u.s. forces, afghan forces, and the taliban in the area, and additionally the afghan officials say that as many as 15 taliban had actually entered the hospital and were shooting at afghan forces from the hospital. doctors without borders strongly denies that. they are saying that this is a violation of international law. they want a full investigation, an independent investigation, independent from the one carter says the pentagon is now carrying out. richard? >> nbc's john yang. east coast flooding. new jersey getting hit hard by days of rain. become the only thing you think about.

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>> i'm deeply saddened about what happened yesterday. our needs are going to chicago. let's not forget this is happening every singling day in neighborhoods around the country. every single day. kids are just running for their lives trying to get to school. >> president obama is calling for tougher gun laws. 2016 republicans say that's not the answer. >> to say we need more gun laws, criminals don't follow gun laws. >> we always have this discussion about the particular weapon. we've got a human behavior problem. we've got a problem with uncivilized savages. >> gun control only works for normal law-abiding citizens. it doesn't work for crazies. >> i don't think gun control would stop this. i think they have very tough gun laws in that state.

>> let me bring in the democrat from illinois. first i want to get your response to the "chicago tribune" report, that 60 homicides happening in chicago in september. as i was saying a wrong ago, congresswoman, a record. >> right. it's very, very disappointing and it's frustrating and it's disappointing and frustrating to hear what my colleagues on the other side of the aisle are saying. they're saying we have enough gun laws. part of it is gun store purch e purchas purchases, background checks they won't allow to be voted on. with background checks, still the majority of americans think that's a good thing. we have a task force led by nra member thompson and there are other members of that task force that know we have to do something. this is madness. >> madness. three more months left in the

year, over 2,300 deaths so far as we were just noting in the year 2015 there in chicago. why hasn't there been able to have some progress in chicago? i know we've done many a segment here and talked about this unfortunate problem in chicago, this deadly problem. >> again, a combination of things. i think access. that's what the experts are saying is the biggest thing. people like to say chicago has the strongest laws, but chicago's only one place. and if guns are coming in from other places like gun trafficking and store purchases, that's a problem. the other social issues are problems too. poverty, lack of opportunity, the lack of, you know, programs and things like that to get youngsters involved in other things. parenting, community policing. but we still need to tighten up the laws and make sure that the

enforcement is what it should be. >> items that take years, not months. as a representative for the state of chicago, how many roseburgs have you had to hear about in the chicago metro area? how many have you had to deal with? >> i think more in chicago, it's not exactly the mass murders. it's the every day every weekend. i know sometimes more than one person has died, but i think sometimes, you know, people don't give it the attention because there's one person dying at a time. there might be 12 people, but they're usually not together or 50 people shot. i liken it to a 747 crashing as opposed to a two-seater. we go on and on about the 747 but the hurt is still the same for the families that are losing loved ones. i also think in urban areas that people want to think it's gang member to gang member. that's not the case. it might be a gang member, but

the people that are dying are innocent victims. >> will it take more advises like lebron james asking for stricter laws? he was home in cleveland when a 5-year-old girl got killed in a drive-by shooting. will those voices help? >> i think all of those voices will help, lebron james and people they've never heard of. we need the cavalry to put pressure on congress. that's what the nra does. the illinois rifle association talks about me all the time. they don't say the right things. they're calling me anti-gun. i'm definitely not anti-gun. i grew up in a family of police officers. my grandfather is a hunter. i have believes in my family now and cousins who are hunters. it's just common sense. >> you want the violence to end. >> definitely. we're losing a generation. >> thank you so much for taking the time to share your p view of

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we're following breaking news on this saturday. a historic storm affecting everyone on the east coast. north carolina, one, dealing with deadly flooding. the state says three people have died because of the weather since thursday and the wind and the water in new jersey has been so strong a horse in wildwood collapsed because of it. that's what's left of it. let's get to meteorologist shanna mend hola. >> it's a lot of rain. we've been talking about joaquin the last few days. that's not the issue.

it's this plume of tropical moisture muiring in because of that. and we'll see it in south carolina, north carolina, and the east for the next couple of days. i want to take you where we've seen rain. we've got 16 inches in south carolina. that's where the heaviest rain is falling through. there's at least a foot of rain on the way. we're not even halfway through the storm. i want to continue to watch that. hey, we've got a flood threat in effect for the next few days. most of the areas in blue will be seeing that. charleston looking at the worst of it with amounts of 5 to 12 inches in the next few days. not only rain but we're watching the surge at the coastline. we've got tropical storm winds. areas like virginia will be seeing very strong winds off the coast along with winds moving the water along the coastline. we'll see some of it flooding as

well. you're advised not to drive through that as as little as two inches is enough to pick your car up and take it away. i'll be up in a few minutes looking at the rain and the latest radar. back to you. >> shanna, thank you for that. we'll be talking with you all often as we watch joaquin wiggle its way up the east coast. roads and parts of coastal new jersey covered in water as i was mentioned. reagan medgie is live. >> good afternoon, richard. two concerns here, the wind and the rising tide. an advisory is in place until 6:00 tonight. gusts up to 60 miles an hour. you can imagine it's putting pressure.

this area is tucked right next to the bay area. so these streets are prone to flooding, so much that if i cross the street, you'll see that. it will come up and go back down again. not advised to drive on these streets because you really don't know how bdeep the water is. 6 inches of water will cause a vehicle to staal or lose control. then if you look at a foot of water, it will cause a vehicle to float down the roadway. check this out. all this water. this is around high tide. you can imagine more water will be coming because we're getting more rain throughout the day, and, of course more wind. this is what we're looking at right here in north wildwood, new jersey. of course, that coastal flooding advisory which will also cause beach erosion is not over until tomorrow at 6:00 tonight.

right now, raege ns i medgie. >> are these live pictures? we do expect the sheriff to give us an update. there are still questions, unknowns about motive, about the details of the suspect here, and we'll be watching that. all right across the country, the political debate on that is heating up. the president speak about it twice, and emotion was very visible. now jeb bush faces criticism from the democrats on his comments from the oregon shooting itself. take a listen. >> stuff happens. there's always a crisis. the impulse is always to do something and it's not always necessarily the right thing to do. >> bush's campaign responded to the statement saying it's sad and beyond craven that liberal

democrats, aided and abetted by some in the national media, would dishonestly take governor bush's comments out of context in a cheap attempt to advance their political agency. >> it came in a four-minute exchange about gun control in which the inls accident yesterday was raised. earlier this week it was raised. so in that sense the context was clear. on the other hand it is a little bit fuzzy at the end of his answer. some have raised the question of whether the word "crisis" and "crises" that governor's deal with may be dealing with other incidences as well. there is room for interpretation, but the context of the full answer was about gun control. >> the focus certainly is in roseburg, oregon, those who lost their lives as well as those who

were injured from trying to stop the gunman. we're seeing other parts of it that are political. will it resonate in 13 months? >> looking ahead to, of course 20rks 17, the key here is, of course, everyone thinks this is not going to see any sort of forward motion in the next year because we're talking about an election year, and we can't predict what the political landscape will look like in 13 months. what we can say is the long-term trends when it comes to dealing with gun control and the public opinion on gun control in general, there is occasionally a brief sbiek in support for additional measures to address gun violence after a violent incident but as time goes on, it fades. the long-term trend has been expanding gun rights and so it's very difficult to see political momentum for increased measures to control gun access. >> and, rebecca, maybe this is a

comment or commentary about it nationally, but when we look at moves that have been made on such controversial issues, we've been seeing a lot of action locally and i'll just go to spitzer. he says grassroots support is the only thing that will change the way we see violence related to guns. would you agree with that? >> slum in the sense that politician reese respond to it generally speaking. this isn't universally true. but if there were a dramatic see change, then you would start to see that reflected on capitol hill annals elsewhere. the issue, of course, the public sentiment on guns, these are long--term deepseated trends with what the news is of the day

or what politicians happen to be pushing on capitol hill. in general it appears impervious to events and what people see on television. >> and, rebecca, you know the family and victims of the victims in roseburg, oregon, they want something to change. they want something to happen right now. but really the consensus more often than not is the oregon shooting won't change anything. at least that's when you look at most of those talking at the moment. where do you see where there might be a change either way on this? is there a place in the country that you're keeping an eye on? >> it's very difficult to see. you may see certain local areas. there's a possibility that in isolated incidences there may be measures that are passed. on the other hand you have to look at experiences after newtown. there families came together to push for increased measures for

controlled access to guns and at that time the public sentiment seemed to be with them. there was a measure passed by the senate. that ultimately did not become law and faded and that measure has not been reintroduced in this congress, so it's hard to see, you know, all of these moves. there's a sense that the momentum can't be sustained. >> rebecca sinderbrand, thank you. >> thank you. >> there will be a news briefing from the sheriff out of roseburg, oregon, and we'll get the very latest on the details of the shooter as well as so many questions people want the answers to including motive. we'll take you there live. but up next we head to the white house where president obama pushes the congress to enact gun legislation. that's straight ahead. 4 care of my heart.

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. this will not change until the politics changes and the behavior of elected officials changes. and so the main thing i'm going to do is i'm going to talk about this on a regular basis, and i will politicize it because our ina is inaction is a political decision that we're making. >> president obama with harsh words in response to a mass shooting at an oregon community college. kristen welker is live with more. good afternoon. >> reporter: good afternoon. sandy hook is when 20 children were killed at an elementary school. you heard him there in resignation, that he can't act

unilater unilaterally, well urging people elected to congress who will support things like background checks. just to remind people, president obama and families of the victims from sandy hook made a strong push for things like a background check, something that 90% of americans could support. that couldn't pass congress. the reason, a lot of red tape and constituents who are opposed to the most moderate fear it could ultimately impinge upon their right to bear arms. we've reached out to the nra multiple times. they have declined to comment. i can spoke from the brady campaign says their fight continues despite this. it's not about taking away guns but that guns are in and thats of the right people.

richard? >> kristen, this is something that this administration has way too much experience. i don't believe that the president would love to have to give any more than he's had to do. what's next. as we look at sandy hook and the ability to change things there, is there energy to go at this in the way you just described? >> that is the question i have been putting to officials here at the white house, and the indication i'm getting is there's not an appetite to push for stricter gun legislation. to your point, richard, this is the 15th time president obama has spoken in the wake of a mass shooting. white house officials say he's reached his limits. he wanted to do something but his hands are tied. what you will see is he will continue to talk about it. what needs to happen now is americans need to put their energy in electing officials who

will ultimately support things like expanded background checks once they get into office. >> kristen weekend kerr live at the white house. thank you so much, we appreciate it. russia continuing its aerial attacks in syria. russia saying its air force flew a mission in the last 24 hours. president obama on friday told reporters russia's syrian strategy is only making matters worse. >> we reject russia's theory that everybody opposed to assad is a terrorist. we think that is self-defeating, it will get themselves into a quagmire and will be used as a tool for foreign fighters is. let's bring in former u.s.

ambassador to kazakhstan and georg georgia. >> what russia's interested in doing is shoring up the bashar al ashad regime, not necessarily he himself because as president obama said yesterday, assad's regime is a bit beleaguered now. the russians are concerned that it is losing ground militarily and russia wants to remain strong because that's the tradition with one of its allies. >> the reports are that iran has sent troops to bolster it. >> the u.s. is expanding its air strikes and coalition forces as well. remember, the u.s. is leading a

60-plus nation coalition. the u.s. is also sending arms now to the syrian kurds. it's been a bit reluctant to do that because syrian kurds have ties to the pkk which the turs s oppose, but at this point it looks like the syrian kurds and those are working against isil. >> ambassador, as we look at iran and what iran is doing and the reports out there that it's expanding its role in syria in conjunction with air strikes, what do you take from that? >> well, iran has a big stake like russia does perhaps because it's a shia regime, but also it's a channeled support. that's very important.

it may be that they don't think bashar al assad will provide that. they may be talking to security officials in syria about potential replacements for assad. >> what's the one thing we should be watching? >> the most important thing we should pay attention to is that the russian fight is really a different fight than our fight. our fight is against isil. russia can't do a whole lot to help that and it's not inclined to do that. we don't want them to destabilize them and make it harder to carry the fight to isil. >> ambassador bill courtney. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> we take you back to roseburg, oregon. live pictures. the room now becoming more busy. these live pictures because the

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what have you learned since the violence at roseburg, grob? >> the challenge is what type of information is available. the reality is what kinds of sources are they using as far as social media? what are they thinking? that's not just the only thing. they have to have a way to talk with law enforcement, police officers. one thing that became so apparent was the ability of the shooter to walk from one building to another and the question is could you have a one-button lockdown system so you could basically freeze out those who wanted to do harm and seek safety.

it's also about mental health. can they have it within the school system, make sure they can use it in a secure way and with prove sichlt tough change. >> tough challenge. we're talking about a community college that had some 3,000 students in a rural area with a up to of not more than 21,000 people. this is a very widespread area and one would have to ask do they have the resource? >> it's really about sustainability. it's multiple layers of security. it can't be just one solution. these things have to work together. i guess the real issue is that this is a community issue.

it's not necessarily an national issue. >> not a national ir. a community issue. in a sentence, what is this about? >> it's about the individual prior to the shooting and what are they going to be able to learn? what were the motivates. the sentiment prior to the act. with there things that are tellation so people can learn from them going forward. >> michael balboni, stay with us. we're going to go right back to the live pictures in oregon right after this. ink about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic

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