welcome back to "msnbc live" on this saturday. at any moment on the right-hand side of the screen, you'll see a live news conference begin.

we'll have an update on the spree that left nine people dead on a community campus. we'll continue to watch the liven pictures as, again, we expect the sheriff to begin giving us more information as the roochl gets more crowded on this hour on this saturday about noon there in roseburg. msnbc's jacob soborof has more. jay, is there anything else? >> his lips remain sealed but yesterday he held two separate conferences where, number one, he talked about the guns and the ongoing situation, and secondly he told us about the victims last night. there's still lots of things we don't know. the motive of the shooter has

not come up. his religion has not come up or the guns used. also reports of whether it was a letter or some sort of document or note left by the shooter at the scene of the crime. the sheriff has not addressed that either. we're waiting to hear that from the sheriff as well as questions of gun control. as has been reported this sheriff wrote a letter back in 2013 to the vice president of the united states pushing back on federal gun control. >> are there any questions there from locals about his ability to move forward in an expeditious way here? >> reporter: i haven't heard from locals, questions like that, richard, but it's

important to note this part of oregon, conservative oregon is a conservative place. we're not even near portland. it's sort of a 3-hour drive away. hunts and guns are normal here. permitted conceal and carry are permitted. there were students at the scene of the shooting on thursday, so i don't think it's something in particular that seems to be of great concern to residents here but there's certainly conversation about it outside of the local community. >> a very important point you make, jacob. that state which is very close to the state line of california, and as you know it's about 500 miles north of san francisco, it's very rural. the famous pictures of trees and hills, that is not far away from where you are at in roseburg oregon. this is not a big town. 21,000 by the last census, and,

again, the individuals there as you so well described are not part of these liberal bastians that are like san francisco or portland. with that all said, how are the locals now talking about what has happened? >> i think it is a very somber time. on thursday when we first got here at the shoofing, it was chaos. very kinetic energy. i think people were very shaken. now a different set of emotions has come into play. it's a logging community. it's a sadness and grief and a sense of mourning and in this public safety building behind me, we have seen over the last few day as steady stream of visitors who have been bringing

well wishes and gifts, foods, to the first responders in the community. >> the nine victims as we learn more about them. so difficult. we know a lot of the saturday events have been cannes. . the high school football game which is certainly an event every weekend for that town canceled. this is going to be a tough weekend, no doubt, for family and friends there. what else have we learned about the victims and their families in the last 24 hours? >> reporter: so much, richard. so much. the age range, i believe, was from 16 to 70 years old. professor levine was in the classroom where the shooting took place. he returned to teaching because he wanted to. there were students in the wildlife program or students who were recovering from a drug

program. two of the victims were immediate relatives of members of the first responder community here and that's something an oh fshl noted yesterday. >> jacob, what was the tone of the sheriff when you spoke with him? >> earlier today hit's sort of matter of fact. it's not necessarily that he's brushing people off, but he's continued to say he needs to be careful in releasing the details because of an ongoing investigation, and i think a lot of us, even a lot of the community want answered as fast as they want. there are different rungs of agencies, whether it's atf, fbi, local departments here as well. and i think, you know, the sheriff -- there's a lot of coordinating to do and that's reflektsed in the way the sheriff has been interacting with members of the noose mania.

we expect that the sheriff will begin at any moment. 12 noop local time. it's now 6:00 in oregon. also with us, jacob, is michael balboni. as we think of the process and where he's at, we're really only two days after this tragedy. michael balboni, i'm not sure if you can hear us. >> now i can. >> i was mentioning that we are just waiting for this news briefing to begin and we're really only two days after this tragedy has happened. what might the sheriff be going through in the process of his investigation? >> it's absolutely ee sep chal in a law enforcement investigation you let the

evidence take you where it takes you. what is a really bad idea is to have any preconceived notions as to what the facts are or what you're going to find. there is tremendous information to get it out. they must be accurate. remember, this is a crime scene and there's going to be tons of ramifications of this throughout the weeks and months. he's got do his job and do it right. >> we're still getting information on what is confirmed, what is not. from the evidence you have confirmed, what does it tell you about this case? >> it tells me that it's a case that's unfortunately eerily similar to virginia tech, sandy hook, a person who gets weapons,

goes to campus, randomly targets individuals. who or not he can do anything with the alkss. that's why we're going through all the online kmoun indications and the things proassociated with. >> jay job, there's a man's name who has stood out, chris mintz. a hero, a man who blocked the door with his body and then was shot six times and he survives today. do we know anything about him and his status? >> there's a lot of information about him on media or social media. he may not be posting directly. it's something we're looking into.

i think as you said, richard, there's no other way to describe his actions other than heroic. i recall yesterday when the governor of the state of oregon and the two u.s. senators in the state of oregon were standing, you know, just behind me here giving me their news conference with all the first responders of the community. the word hero gets tossed around lot in situations like this, but i think there are a lot of people very grateful for people like chris and like the first responders in this community and the hearts of this community are going auto to all of them. >> you know, jacob, "the oregonian" was reporting today in the last 24 hours how a gofundme campaign, a crowd funding campaign put on his bihby his cousin now raising over $625,000 for him. >> reporter: it just goes to show you, richard, people are noticing what's happening here. one of the stats cited here yesterday was the volume of mass

shootings and school shootings. this year alone i believe it was 18 school shootings, 45 mass shootings. it doesn't change the fact that people care about the heroes and victims on the ground. >> you know when you're on the ground you'll speak with people in roseburg, oregon. what are they telling you? >> reporter: again, it's small town type of community. what they're reporting here is not on the scale frankly of what they've seen over the last two or three days. i think it's -- this is just my opinion. i imagine it's so interconnected. roseburg has 20,000 people who live here. the community college has 3,000

people that live here. it's a very interconnected community and i can imagine that that extends into to local press here. >> one of the statistics i was looking at jacob, close to 90% have lived a year or more. if you come from any of the big cities, san francisco or new york, that sort of statistic would not nearly be that high. 90% or more would know. michael balboni said this is the 15th time the president has had to come to the microphone and microwave a statement. michael balboni, what can a community college of this size, a town like this, what would you tell them to do to try to prevent this? what would be plausible and affordable and actionable?

>> that's exactly the question that schools across the nation are facing. what is the appropriate level of security. you know, after sandy hook in new york, we had a tremendous rash of issues like put up camera systems, put up better fencing, all these types of issues. i still believe for a small community like this, if you put a camera system, it doesn't have to be that expensivexpensive. there's a die terence effect of putting up a camera. people monitoring who comes on the canal pos itself. tough with a university or college. but, again, developing social media and moderating capabilities, if there is a problem, you know, making sure that there's a really good avenue to say, you know, gee, this is somebody who ee acting a little didn't. but, of course, that races all sorts of issues as to individual privacy. the challenge is you have an incident and everyone galvanizes you must do something.

and yet people seem to point to the one-step solution don't really fit the fact pattern of the tragedy. >> we're watching the live pictures on the left-hand side. not only being quiet, but, again, one of the reps have put something up on the backing there. it hooks like the tick tock. 10:39 a.m., first call. let's go straight to the sheriff and listen in. good afternoon. my name is john hanlin. i'm the douglas county sheriff. i have a group of partners

joining me to address a number of information and detail this afternoon. we'll start with the investigation. specifically on tips. we are still in need of any tips, photos, videos that are relevant to this investigation. if you are unsure whether you have a relevant photo or video, please call and let us decide. the tip line is 1-800-call-fbi. again that number is 1-800-call-fbi, option 7. the timeline. we have a timeline here today on the board. you'll get an opportunity to look at it closer. the timeline is a basic timeline as to the events as they enfolded in the first hour of this incident. as you can see, officers responded immediately.

the roseburg police officers and an oregon state trooper were the first officers on the scene that arrived within five minutes. two minutes later the officers tell dispatch that they have engaged the shooter. two minutes after that dispatch reports the shooter is down. you can see how things progressed beyond that. moving on to the investigation process, this, again, is a complex investigation with many, many different facets. the shooting event at the umpqua community college, the shooter's background, including how he obtained his weapons, the use of force by the initial responding officer

officers. we have to run down hundreds of leads and interviewed hundreds of people including victims, witnesses, neighbors, and others. conducted searches at the school and residence as well as of the shooter's vehicle. we've seized evidence from mumt. locations including weapons, am nugs, documents, and digital media. the oregon state police crime lab as well as the atf and crime laboratories are well engaged moving forward with the processing of this evidence. i want to let you know that investigators located one additional handgun during the search of the shooter's residence, bringing the total number of guns seized to 14. now to the officers involved in the shooting investigation.

i've been asked to release the following information by the oregon state police on behalf of the oregon state medical examiner. the medical examiner has determined the cause of death of the shooter to be suicide. the oregon state police is conducting the investigation on the officer-involved shooting. at this time i would like to introduce the district attorney rick weiszenberg. >> thank you, sheriff. good morning. as the did strict attorney for douglas county, it is my responsibility to review all deadly force instruments to determine if the use was justified under oregon law. it's my understanding that the officer-in involved shooting investigation that's currently being conducted by the oregon

state police is nearing a conclusion. i expect to be presented with that case and that investigation early next week. once i receive the case, i will do a thorough review and make a determination on whether or not the use of force was justified. >> realize you may have questions for each of us as we make statements. if you would, please hold those till the end of the conference. i would lou like to introduce the roseberg state police chief jim berg. >> good afternoon. beyond this incident, we want to make sthur cloour there are no current threats any school or facility in our area. saying that, i know that parents and students have concerns. in fact, we have police officers and firefighters that are getting the same questions from

their spouses and children about whether or not they are safe in this area and in their schools. i'm sure the parents and general community have the same concerns. as we move into next week, i want to assure you that the roseburg police didn't and the douglas county sheriff's office will continue to work to ensure that your school is, indeed, safe. thank you. that i'd now like to invite fire district number 2 fire chief greg mar ler to the podium. >> good afternoon. my name is greg mar ler and i'd like to say i'm honoring to be if fire chief of district number 2. our community has been rocked by a horrendous incident and i'm proud of our community and the resiliency we's shown in the

face of such tragedy. our fire district is comprised of over 120 personnel and i know we have some incredible people within our organization but the perpetualization and the character of strength i've witnessed in the last couple of days has absolutely confirmed that. prior to this incident, we've had numerous mass incident casualty drills and i saw that work come to bear on campus this past thursday. there's no doubt that the exceptional patient care and the proficient use of life-saving meshes saved lives that day. at the scene we had over 45 fire and ems responders including ten paramedic ambulances. our crews worked quickly to create a triage system to sort through the casualties and identify those critical patients that needed life support care, such as airway control, bleeding

control, and gunshot wound control. we then worked very kwir quickly to work transportation and transport those people as quickly as possible to the facility. it was all hands-on-desk and their focus and dedication has made this an effective operation. we're also greatly appreciative of our law enforcement partners. however, it is with great sad ps that we learned that our firefighter chuck anspach, lost his son treven taylor and another has lost his niece.

they've moved quickly and support ourd family. i've been involved with the emergency response for over 32 years and i know nothing can complete completely prepare you for the physical toll this can take. briefings have been made available and are on going for our personnel and those that responded to the scene and and deal with their families and help with their recovery. please respelkt their privacy so they can spend time with their family and friends. if you have further questions regarding our organization or incident response that day, i'll be making myself available after this news conference for additional interviews. i haven't stopped thinking about the many other families that have experienced an unthinkable loss. the entire fire-fighting and ems community is praying for everyone during this time. we're also thinking about those nine that were injured and those are our patients and we wish

them a full and speedy recovery as quickly as possible. the direct support that we receive from agencies throughout the state has been incredible. we specifically wanted to identify and thank the city of roseburg fire didn't, bay city's ambulance, and both the roseberg police department and the douglas county sheriff's department for their partnership and help during this call. i want to end by saying that while we deal with this tragedy on two fronts, both as a community and within our fire and ems family, our stations are open and our crews are here to serve our community and we're proud to serve and nothing or anything will stand in our way to continue to serve our community. thank you. and now vanessa becker, the chair of the board of trustees with umpqua community college. >> good afternoon.

umpqua community college is working toward helping the healing process, coordinating supports for our students, our staff, our faculty, and really working toward developing a sense of normalcy and reopening our campus. i'm going to read off a lot of details right now and i want to let folks know we'll be releasing them in a press release and they should be on our website later today. first of all they've come together to provide mental health services. they're offer aing no cost grief counseling and sharing from 9:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. through sunday at the ford family foundation, which is at 1600 northwest stewart parkway and also still at the community health alliance 201 medical loop, suite 180. also beginning on monday, october 5th, our grief sharing will also be available on our campus, 7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m.

in the campus cafeteria. they're still staefing a hotline. 541-440-3532 or 1-800-866-9780. our plans to reopen campus will be reopened for students and staff beginning at 7:30 a.m. on monday, october 5th. classes and events are still canceled throughout the week and they will resume october 12th. we're getting a lot of questions about donations and there are a couple of local organizations mobilizing and working with us for that. the first is the greater douglas united way. they're receiving donations. wwgd as in dog u way.org/ucc give. again, that's the greater douglas united way. umpqua community foundation is

also accepting donations online at edu/scholarships-donations. the website should be up and working today, so i urge people to go the umpqua community college website. we also strongly remember that donors cast an eye when contributing to other funds that might have high administrative fees and also unfortunately at times like this there are scrupulous people to set up false klt accounts. so i urge you to look at our site. community organizations are creating an imucc and umcc strong decals. we also have lawn signs and other things that are going to be floating around town. i encourage you to go our website. we'll be having those on our website and they'll be in the

proes release as well. again, just in closing, starting sunday also the school issues a new vitally bringing new information perpt continental every day until first notice. thank you. >> this is janet with community health alliance. i just want to clarify what we're be opening is actually annex b on campus, not suite 80. they can go to the ford location or annex b. thank you. >> mental health resources, i i want to talk about those for a second here. we have the health and human services national disaster mental health team, 16 people in total, who have flown in to help our community rekcover. they are providing immediate

assistance and developing a strategy for long-term support of our community. the executive director of the community health alliance janet holland who just spoke is with us today and will be available after the press conference for one-on-one interviews. looking ahead, we're still collecting investigative information from various sources. those details will continue to come with over the next few days and weeks. we continue to have law enforcement and victim service teams working with the families to provide any help they may need. this includes county resources and helping to make funeral arrangements and more. the fbi's behavioral analyst team has arrived on the scene and will asifrt with helping us to understand the why of this event.

this is our last press conference. as the need arises, we eenlt continue fro provide information through the douglas county sheriff's office and our local partner agencies. i cannot overstate the help we have from our local, state, and federal partners. if i were to read you the list of all the supporting agencies right now, we'd be here for a long time. so we will post that list on our press release site and you can visit that site to see who all those partners are. i cannot say thank you enough to each responder, investigator, victim specialist, analyst, and all the many others that have responded to help. your help has been invaluable in

getting us through this most difficult event and helping douglas county to move down the packet path of recovery. finally i want to express my most sincere appreciation to those directly touched by this incident. the two roseburg police officers who responded and stopped the shooter from killing dozens of other people who were in that classroom and in the immediate vicinity is. the student who by all reports charged the shooter and suffered multiple gunshot wounds. and to the families of the victims. our hearts are with you, and you

know that our hearts will be with you forever. please know that we consider your loved ones to be our heroes. they will never be forgotten. at this time, i will attempt to answer a few questions. >> can i ask you to expand on what you said before. obviously we know there are no spp ostown loose. you've solved that aspect. can you tell us now what you're looking for? why the investigation needs to go on? what unanswered questions there are right now? >> really, the biggest question at this point -- well, we want to make sure we have all the information, leads, potential details of this particular situation gathered and primarily at this point, what we really want to do is try to gain an

understanding so that we can work together with law enforcement agencies all across the country in an attempt to try to prevent future types of situations. and, of course, like i've said many times over, our focus is on the families of the victims, and they deserve to know the answers. >> sheriff, can you tell us about these documents and digital media? were they handed over by the gunman? where did you get them? >> the question is -- >> the documents and digital media that have been recovered, where did they come from? did the gunman hand these to somebody as has been pointed out before? >> i can tell you that is part of the ongoing investigation, and the details of that will be forthcoming. at this time we aren't prepared to make a statement about those specifics.

>> the shooter was in class at the time? some say he was a student. can you confirm that? was he in the class already when he started teaching? >> i'm having a difficult time understanding -- >> was he a umc student and was he enrolled in the writing class? >> the shooter was a student and he was registered in that class. >> did he hand over a box to one of the victims? >> a box? >> a box of documents? >> that i don't know. >> did he hand something to one of the victims. >> we're not prepared to comment on anything he may have done in the classroom at that time. >> can you describe how the two police officers who were heroic, how they brought him to a stop? how he was stopped? he did commit suicide but we understand he was shot first by the two officers and then ran. is can you expand on that?

>> that's part of the officer-involved shooting investigation, which is being handled independently overall of the incident. i can tell you as those two officers arrived at the scene, there was an exchange of gunfire. the shooter was neutralized at that point in time. and as far as the very specific information regarding whether it was an officer's bullet or his own bullet, wi aren't prepared at this time. >> one more question -- >> how recently had the shooter passed a background check? >> sorry? >> how recently had the shooter passed a background check? >> we don't know that. >> thank you. >> 21 minutes in this news briefing. that large white sheet on the background there on the standup laying out the tick-tock, and we're looking for the details on that. we'll have that for you because so much of the questions were what happened and how did it

happen. you can tell from the sheriff and what he was expressing the one thing we're seeing is a town, a city that knows each other well and is on this saturday at this hour and minute going through some very emotional times. i want to bring in jacob soboro ff who was outside listening to the news briefing. the tone, clearly where their hearts are at, right, jacob? they know each other well. they're talking about individuals who were in public service related to or knew two of the victims, and that's certainly a story as we learn more about, the nine who lost their lives, will continue unfortunately. but clearly an emotional news briefing today. >> reporter: very emotional, richard, but also new information. we found out for the first time

that the medical examiner has determine thad the shooter's cause of death was a suicide. also new information here that there was one additional gun, a handgun, sheriff hanlin said was found, which brings the total guns the shooter owned to 14. the police chief of the roseberg police didn't said there are no current threats on the school system. the school will reopen monday but a week from monday classes will resume. also we learned about the officers-involved shooting in roseberg. the roseburg state police is leading that investigation according to the sheriff and that's a normal occurrence with police departments across the country after an officer as the name would indicate is involved in a shooting. they have to figure out from which guns the shots were fire and what the interaction and exchange was look and only after

that will there be a daerlgs and whether or not the shooting was justified. >> it is that there were 14 guns, not 13, five of which were on the gunman as well as one rifle. the second piece, they're calling it a suicide. those are the two big developments. simultaneously as they were giving out the information during this news briefing, the official douglas county sheriff twitter account also putting out information which was a little more details. 'll just share some of what which was said moments ago, 1 minutes ago. they said, number one, they were running down hundreds of leads and interviewed hundreds of people including ucc shooting victims, witnesses, neighbors, and orrs.

they conducted searches there at the community college and the shoot 'eers residence. that's when they found the third additional gun. the third thing they found in the last 20 minutes is they've seized some shooting evidence from multiple locations. you heard the questions after that, that they were -- that the reporters were asking what was the digital media evidence. those are the three major items in addition to what we were just discussing, jacob and myself. what we also have, jacob, is the tick-tock. i know they just put it up there and they'll release it in written formulator. there could be important pieces of information there related to the officer-involved investigation as well. there it is. i don't know if we can zoom on that. that was moments before the

sheriff came out to give us more information, jacob. >> that's right, richard. there are still sources of the investigation still going on. i heard this morning man was personally visited by the fbi because he was on campus at the time of the shooting. there are still law enforcement agent is out there talking to the community to try to piece together what went on here. to me what was interesting about the press conference, when you talk about the tick-tock, 10:38 is the moment the shooting occurred and the sheriff talked about two minutes later two roseburg police department officials -- excuse me -- within five minuted and a state trooper were on the scene. two minutes later they engaged the scene and two minuted later two were shot. >> it's tough to read here, jacob. you're right.

the first 911 call comes in and then at 10:39, in quotation marks shooter in building. a minute later, 10:40 the dispatch updates ucc buildings are on lockdown. 10:41, dispatch updates shots coming from the snyder building. and then: 42, an officer sees the tissue shooter. then at 10:44 on this thursday, the two officers you were noting arrived at the location. we do that. 10:44, 10:38. that was, squen, five or six minutes after that call. that was taken directly from what was posted moments ago and there's more after that and

we'll zoom in that again and show that to our viewers who are just joining us. we can see at the bottom, jacob, the time line, suspect down, 10:48, if i'm correct. we're really talking about from beginning to suspect down, that report, a matter there, again, of that 10:48, and my vision's working okay, that we're looking at a matter of ten minutes. >> reporter: that's correct. that's what we're seeing here, too, richard. when we look at the time line and the chain of events and who this shooter was, there was one omission from this conference we were hoping to get an answer to and that was the motives. the sheriff would not comment on the motive or the idea of the double tall media, what was in that digital media that he

seized. nor would he comment on the document or note that was left by the shooter at the scene of the crime and given the fact that this was the last planned coverage by the sheriff's office, we're going have to continue our coverage with the sheriff. >> michael balboni still with us as well as jacob soboroff from roseburg, oregon. you were listening along with us here, michael. he wasn't going to talk about motive at this moment. what did you take from the information that we've been talking about over the last five minutes? what did you take from it? what did you learn? >> this incident is so consistent with all the information we receive. virginia tech, an incredibly short period of time ending with an individual taking their own lives. we see incredibly fast, raising all sorts of questions. what would be the possibility of in ter veening even if you had

an armed guard on sight and what is the ability toll stop this rapid, rapid pace of violence. the other thing that became apparent is this is a sheriff's department that has a tremendous amount of work ahead of it. that's essential for people to understand. how much resource coming to a didn't like this. they're not going at this on their own. they're going have a lot of experts coming in to help them. they're going to have to cyst and find out why this happened. that motivation may never truly becleared. >> they're saying they're not going have another press conference. what did you make of that? >> there's a tempo in the investigation going on now. it's partially lots and lots of it. when you stop and take the time to put together, you have to put

things together and it takes time away. it's an awful lot of fatigue. it's incredibly emotional. >> we saw that, michael. to your point, the tick-tock which looks to have 15 time stamps on it t amount of effort they had to go through to try to get those numbers right. and they were talking to so many individuals. the i also in involved in this and numerous organizations, michael. >> the hardest thing has been the plea for information, the tips. that's great. but then it becomes such an incredible issue to be able to sift through all the informat n information. >> also at the top f you do have video or pictures, don't decide for yourself whether or not it's value. let us decide. does that tell you they still

need more information or is this a matter of process. >> i think what they're trying to do is make sure they take every step they can to really get the definitive answer as to what unfolded, how it happened, and whether or not there were any other clues. remember, the families themselves and the folks in the community, they want this information desperately as well. a lot of pressure to try to get as much information out there as well. >> okay. michael, stand by. jacob, stand by. i want to play a little bit of what was said by the sheriff just moments ago. >> i want to let you know that investigators located one additional handgun during the search of the shooter's residence, bringing the total number of guns seizes to 14. >> okay. now as that has been said throughout the last 48 hours, there has been a discussion as to what caused this and how it

related to guns and gun control and what can be done. nbc's white house correspondent kristen welker has been covered the story from the white house and the president as you and i were talking about before this press briefing coming out of roseberg, oregon, has been saying that this is something that's tough and something that needs to happen on the ground. grassroots energy needs to be mobilized if something can happen meaningful. kristen? >> reporter: that's right, richard. we've heard president obama speak about this twice since the shooting and it's the ayn degreeiest rhetoric we've heard since the sandy hook shooting in which 20 chirp were killed at the school. you may recall then president obama and family members pushed for gun legislation, even exposing background checks. that couldn't get through congress. the reason you have a lot of

peen. many of them worry that even the most modest legislation would start to chip away at their ability to hold a gun. now the pr is ak phenomenaling he can't get anything done without the help of congress. so his message yesterday during that press conference was essentially, look, if you want to see background checks get passed, you need to elect people who will support that. the reality is, richard, since 2012, there are more pro-gun lawmakers in congress. so this gets tougher for those who want to try to pass this legislation. >> how has the white house as well as capitol hill reached out to those across the country, the other side of the country as that go through, you saw this, an emotional process. are we aware of what might be happening? >> we know the top officials

including valerie jarrett have been in contact with the governor and others have been in touch. this is typically something you see from the white house when you have a mass shooting. it also understocores the point the president was making when he said in order to break this, something more needs to happen. >> the number you reported earlier, 15 times for this president during his administration. that certainly does distillation for us what a difficult time it is for the country. kristen welker, thank you so much. >> i want to bring in a woman whose son was shot and killed gates station over loud music. you may follow along with us as

law enforcement is working together not only as professionals but as people going through tough times. what is your reaction to the tragic shooting? >> well, just -- i think when i first heard about the shooting, i was i was actually on the road doing a faith tour. faith over fear with guns as i heard about the shooting. and there was this quiet rage in my spirit, in my soul over once again another horrific shooting in this country simply because of the inability of our legislators to be beholden to our communities over the gun lobby. and i was just absolutely sobbing and so, so completely disheartened and hurt because i understand what those families and victims are going through at this very moment. >> what would you say to them? >> i would say to them that

don't lose heart. i'm so sorry for their loss, but yes, that is not enough for us to tell you that we're sorry. it is not enough for us to hold just prayer vigils for you and pray for you and talk about what's happening behind closed doors. there are millions of americans in this country that are mobilizing together to work towards changing the loopholes in the gun laws so that these kinds of horrific tragedies will not continue to happen. we're supporting them. we are standing by them. and we are doing everything that we can to keep this from happening in the country. >> lucia, you lost your son jordan davis. >> yes. >> and the families of the nine who are lost are going through this very tough process. it's early on. but you know at some point if it's not now or months or years they're going to want something to change. and what can you say to them to say it's possible, something can

change despite what we're seeing around us where there has been very little change to stop this horrible type of tragedy from happening. >> i would say to them and to the nation that the only way we can sensibly make common sense changes is to expect that our legislators enact common sense legislation particularly background check legislation. changing the loopholes in how dangerous criminals and felons and individuals who should not have guns are able to have access to guns. simple background check legislation closes those loopholes. it is the number one way that's most effective. and that the legislators have to be made accountable to the constituents in the communities they serve over the gun lobby. that is their moral and ethical responsibility. >> lucia, thank you so much. lucia davis joining us today. and sharing your passion for a solution here. thank you so much. >> thank you. and we'll be back right after this. ♪

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the medical examiner has determined the cause of death of the shooter to be suicide. >> msnbc's j, jacob, the two bi pieces of information they're calling it a suicide and also saying 14 guns involved, not 13. >> reporter: that's right. they're also saying there are no current threats.

that's according to the police chief here. they're not yet talking about motives. also want to address quickly, richard, the idea of this endless rhetoric that kristen welker was talking about from the white house. you sort of heard a little bit today for the first time from the sheriff from the podium. spoke to some gun shops earlier talking about what's going on in the community and a lot of them don't want to talk right now. a sheriff in an area like this where guns are such a normal thing, for the first time talked about the idea of solutions across the country to prevent something like this from happening again. now, that's interesting to me because we know that the sheriff is not necessarily a supporter of gun control. and he wrote a letter to the vice president of the united states in 2013 saying just that. >> now, jacob, as we were watching the news brief iing ju 45 minutes ago or so here, one of the other big headlines people might take from it they're watching through this is you can see the painll