so use it for the shortest time based on goals and risks. estrogens should not be used to prevent heart disease, heart attack, stroke or dementia. ask your doctor about premarin vaginal cream. record-setting rainfall. good morning and thanks for getting up with us this sunday morning. i'm aymon moye yell din in for steve could are knackie. it was the scene in charleston this morning, flood warnings from south carolina all the way north up to new jersey. more on that in just a minute. there are also new questions this morning about the apparent u.s. air strike that hit a

doctors without borders hospital in of agab stand. president obama offering his conoco lenses today while the defense department launches a full investigation, those details are also straight ahead. plus the good news and the bad for donald trump in the brand new nbc news/marist college polls. hillary clinton kicks off another season of "saturday night live" straight ahead. we want to begin this hour in south carolina and this weekend's historic rainfall and catastrophic flooding across the state the charleston fire chief reporting 37 water rescues overnight and one location received an astounding 24 inches of rain so far with even more rain still on the way. president obama declared a state of emergency and gabe dput rez joins us live from charleston. give us a sense of the latest, how are efforts going and people bracing themselves for more rain to come? >> reporter: hi there, good morning.

thankfully we have a small break in the rain this morning. as people wake up and realize they're trapped in their homes, this city got almost a quarter of its average yearly rainfall in just 24 hours, and as you can see behind me many roads are impassable, cars are ban donned and water rescues are under way. we saw several of them as well in columbia, south carolina. there was a dramatic water rescue there, where several people were caught fighting the currents hand in hand as rescue crews rushed in to help. here in charleston, it was the wettest day on record. there were hundreds of emergency calls overnight and dozens of water rescues. this is the weather system that has pounded much of the east coast over the last few days, killing at least four people, and if you come over here, aymon, this car in the last hour or two thankfully the water line has dropped so slightly, just a

few inches so the waters are receding but the issue in south carolina many of the rivers are rising and the concern is that they could reach record flood stages by tomorrow. back to you. >> thanks to gabe gutierrez for that update. coastal flood warnings are in effect from south carolina to new jersey as more rainfall is expected. we turn to msnbc meteorologist bill karins with the latest from our weather center. >> i'm confident, this will go down as the flood of record in the state of south carolina, they've never seen anything like that. 96 bridges and state roads that are closed. there's a civil emergency, they're asking 4 million plus people in the state of south carolina to stay where they are. if you're in a safe place, stay where you are. if you're not, call 911. they're saying only use 911 for emergencies. this setup has gone on for day three, heavy rain focusing into areas of south carolina. rainfall totals, boone hall

plantation over 24 inches of rain. they look like snowfall totals. two feet of rain charleston, over 16.5 inches of rain. columbia, ten inches of rain and six of that fell last night which is why you see the dramatic pictures on social media in the columbia area especially the east and northeast side of the city. mortgage myrtle beach over eight inches. the flooding pictures from rescuers working overnight trying to get people out of their homes and surrounded by water, get them to a safe place. boat rescues going on in georgetown, five feet of water is being reported in downtown georgetown. imagine how much money and monetary damages are being done. right now they're worried about saving lives let alone worry about the cleanup later. so as far as the flash flood emergencies go, these are all flash flood emergencies, columbia to orangeburg, georgetown to the charleston area, this band of rain will shift northward, so florence and myrtle beach you'll soon be seeing the torrential stuff your way and flash flooding could get worse. here is where our flood watches

go from charlotte, north carolina, towards wilmington southward. we're not done with you yet southern north carolina, tonight you get heaviest rains. i showed you those amazing totals. the future radar starting at 9:00 this morning, you notice that band sits here, it kind of finally dissipates a little bit by 7:00 p.m. in southern portions of north carolina, but then it regenerates later on tonight and comes back down into south carolina, so as far as rainfall totals are going to go, by the time we're said and done our computers are projecting the possibility here of anywhere up to another foot of rain at most in areas of south carolina. you get the picture, right now there's horrendous flooding in south carolina, some of the worst flooding they've seen. we're not talking yet about what this is going to do with the rivers in the days ahead. >> bill karins, the numbers tell the incredible story. >> it's staggering. the problem with flooding like this, we have our camera positions out there, they're kind of set, but this flash flooding is taking place across the state in urural areas, citis all over.

they're asking churches to cancel their services. they do not want people out on the roads getting trapped. >> we hope folks take warnings and evacuations seriously. we'll check out columbia, south carolina, later on in the show with a live report from there. with he want to switch gears and move to oregon where umpqua community college will reopen a little more than 24 hours from now. though classes won't resume for another week. it has been only three days since a gunman opened fire on campus killing nine people and wounding nine more. yesterday authorities say they've ruled the gunman's death as a suicide. one official says the gunman appears to have left a note at the shooting scene. for more we are joined by msnbc's jacob saboroff in roseburg, oregon. >> reporter: good morning. you can see umpqua community college behind me. the campus opens tomorrow and classes don't resume until a week from tomorrow. the amount of guns that the

shooter owned it was 14, revised upward from 13 and we found out the time line and that it happened within about ten minutes from the first 911 call to the time that the shooter was down, which is quite remarkable, given how rural this campus is and how long it takes to drive up here. i also had the opportunity yesterday to speak one on one for the first time with the fire chief of douglas county, greg marler and he gave me his reaction to walking into the scene. >> i walked up to approach the classroom where they said that there were victims inside. >> reporter: and what did you see? >> well, i quickly saw that this was many more victims, and was told as i approached upwards of 20, than we were originally notified at dispatch. once i stepped in, saw multiple victims laying in the classroom, i actually at that point quickly stepped back and realizing that i needed to establish an incident command and be able to ramp up and get the additional

resources and notifications going because we had a larger scale incident than we originally thought. >> reporter: the family of the shooter released a statement yesterday through the sheriff's department here, and they said "our thoughts, our hearts and our prayers go out to all of the families of those who died and were injured." >> all right, jacob soboroff live in oregon, appreciate that. flags across the state of connecticut are flying at half staff upon the order of the governor just like they did after sandy hook and they will continue to do so through tuesday in honor of the nine people that were killed in roseberg, oregon. many thought sandy hook shooting three years ago would be a galvanizing moment for the country, if 20 young kids gunned down in classrooms couldn't inspire congress to xroe miles and pass reform measures then nothing could. even as change at the federal level has been a non-starter, connecticut did pass its own gun reform measures back in 2013. joining us now is congresswoman

elizabeth esty who represents newtown, connecticut. she joins this morning's panel, former republican congresswoman nan hayworth, sabrina and dan gersten, thank you, appreciate all of you being here. i should mention you're a political strategist and used to work with former senator joe lieberman. congresswoman, can you talk to us about why there has been such an uphill battle in congress, as we were just saying there, when you see 20 young children murdered in their classrooms how could that not be a moment for congress to be inspired to act? >> if frankly, aymon it's shameful it wasn't. we also remember that it took ten years after an assassination attempt on president reagan for the brady bill to pass. things can take a long time in congress and i'll tell you this, i am confident in the long-term that we will get this done.

i can't tell you when but it will happen because the american people know it needs to happen and the american people are with us for better gun safety laws. >> earlier you helped introduce a bill that would expand background checks for those trying to purchase guns. have efforts like these have any chance being passed on a national level, not just simply on a state level? >> if we could get a vote it would pass, i'm confident of that. in fact, 144 of us sent a letter as a bipartisan letter to speaker boehner, just on friday, hours before the shooting in oregon. we sent a letter asking him to call this up bill. i think about the pope having come and addressed congress ten days ago, and call on us to stand up for the american people and those most vulnerable and who is more vulnerable than the child at the other end of a gun. >> lawmakers in your state were

able to pass tougher gun laws. i'm curious to know if you think this is a more effective strategy that since there's a paralysis in congress to get this done, should state legislators take this up and see if they can have better success in trying to impose tougher gun laws on a state level? >> it's important that the states move forward but at the end of the day, aymon, we need to have federal legislation, because frankly, the trafficking and passing of weapons across state lines can only be dealt with at the national level and that's why it's so critically important that we strengthen the national instant criminal background check system, we close the gun show and internet loopholes and frankly, we also close the fact that right now, if you wait three days, this is what some are calling the charleston loophole, if after three days of waiting for an affirmative clean bill of health on a background check, a gun seller can still go ahead and sell the gun and the people who don't pass in a matter of minutes usually have felony

problems and that's why we should really wait until we get a green light before selling a gun to those folks. >> we bring in the rest of the panel, nan, if i could start with you. talk to us about go, what is the actual reason why it's so hard to get a national piece of legislation to address gun reform laws? >> one of the challenges is that, and it's entirely valid, those who are compliant with the law will no doubt comply with more restrictions, but that won't get at the heart of the problem. we will put more burdens on law-abiding responsible firearms owners but more at the problem we won't get to, another hideous, awful event that should never happen. the issue of mental health,

which is itself very complicated but comes prominently into play. another young man who clearly was deeply disturbed and should not have had firearms. but how do we get at that? >> dan, let me pick up at that. there are some saying there needs to be a new national approach to the issue of guns not to ban them but in some cases a new approach to try to deal with this as a public health issue and put different measures and restrictions. is that a plausible approach? >> it might. president question you posed to nan, the reason there is that he road block is because of fear of the nra. it's pretty simple and there's an asymmetrical war going on, a small minority of gun owners who exert a lot of power because they vote, they get money, they organize, and great mass of people outraged by this don't enxwane engage on the issue there's any sense of accountability for members of congress. you have an 80/20 split on background checks, expanding background checks, 80% of people, majority of nra members

support this kind of change. it doesn't happen in congress in large part because the people who really want to happen don't act politically. there could have been an easy solution after sandy hook which is president obama who has a lot more power than he seems to recognize could have said i'm not going to sign any piece of legislation, i'll veto every appropriations bill you send me until we have a vote on this. if that happened, that might have energized the american people. >> congresswoman, i'd like to give you the last word on this debate. what is the way going forward from here? >> i think the way going forward is energizing and motivating the american people to demand that members of congress do their job and allow us to have a vote on this common sense comprehensive background check bill. it would close the biggest loopholes and be a start towards making sure americans are safer on the street. we ask for a vote and members of congress be held accountable by the people they represent. >> thank you very much.

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you're looking live at the flooding in columbia, south carolina, bringing traffic there at that intersection to a complete standstill. in fact people are still being asked to evacuate in some areas across the state. it's still raining and we'll be following the story for you throughout the course of the afternoon, but first "saturday night live" kicked off its 41st season with a much anticipated guest appearance. >> hi.

i'm hillary rodham clinton. >> hey, great name. i'm val. it really is great how long you've supported gay marriage. >> yes. i could have supported it sooner. >> well you did it pretty soon. >> could have been sooner. >> fair point. >> oh, val, i'm just so darned bummed. all anyone wants to talk about is donald trump. >> trrp trmdonald trump? isn't he the one like ugh, you're all losers. >> val, i wish you could be president. >> me too! >> that was the real hillary clinton playing bartender to the fake hillary clinton on "saturday night live" last night. it's been a busy week for the would-be president who sat down with msnbc's al sharpton the interview airing earlier this morning. we want to bring in our panel, thanks again for joining us. sabrina, let me start with you.

nbc news/morist poll out this morning. no major changes who is leading the pack on the republican side, donald trump leads in iowa and new hampshire. hillary clinton leads in iowa, but let's start with donald trump, the gap between him, ben carson in iowa as well as carly fiorina seems to be narrowing. is it a cause of concern for the trump campaign that so many people are making these big gains? >> yes i think that there is a ceiling in terms of support for donald trump and he's come close to now hitting that ceiling especially after the second presidential debate which ex-posed his weaknesses in terms of talking about policy, obviously the way that he commented on carly fiorina's appearance didn't go over very well. and the fascination eventually republican primary voters will get bored with one candidate and move on to another. we're seeing that with donald trump, ben carson was on the rise in the late summer, now they're into carly fiorina. i think what is more concerning for all of the outsiders is that

eventually there's going to come a joint where the appeal is probably going to fade and they have to contend with candidates like marco rubio, john kasich, some of the establishment-backed candidates who will eventually come in and i think fill the policy void, the void for a serious candidate. >> and nan you're working as voluntary co-chair for the carly campaign. >> yes. >> you can give us imsight into the campaign strategy for her in terms of what she needs to keep focussing on, what is she doing right giving her a surge in the polls? is it simply as she was saying earlier on the more americans got to know her the more likely she'd have the bump she's now enjoying? >> it is significant that she essentially almost had a standing start at the beginning of this presidential season, because really she was probably the least known among the candidates. and it has been very true that the more folks have gotten to know her and especially with two remarkable debate performances,

she truly impresses but it's because she gives the sense rightly so, she actually has the goods. she's incredibly smart. she has encyclopedic knowledge and fast on her feet. donald trump gave her a gift because she was able to show her strength. no one is going to push her or not. that's what we need in a president. >> with carly fiorina you start to see it and seen it with ben carson you get more scrutiny when you rise up in the polls so there's been questions over carly fiorina's background at hewlett-packard, she has to defend that, has been on the defensive. ben carson made comments about muslims that were very controversial saying we can't have a muslim president, that caused an uproar in a more national sense and in the primary it helped him because of the faction of voters who feel a certain way. but you know, when you get that kind of national scrutiny you have to be up to the task of being able to contend with that pressure and traditionally outsiders haven't shown they're capable of doing that.

it remains to be seen how that will play out. >> she made comments about planned parenthood which media said were not entirely accurate when they fact-checked it. is that going to hurt her or something playing to her base despite the fact she's come under criticism? >> bigger base in the republican electorate. it will help in the primary but probably hurt in the general election. the big question for this republican primary process is, the pattern the last two campaigns was flirtation with the outsiders, and then came home to the establishment candidates who many republican primary voters didn't like, john mccain and mitt romney. now you have another, the same dynamic happening, her man cain, ben carson, carly fiorina and the flirtation with rick santorum. when they had to vote they voted for the establishment candidate. will that happen again and if it does which of the establishment candidates is best poised to speak to this angry base voters

but still incredibly electable >> if the vice president decides to run on the democratic side, does anybody from the democratic side benefit from that and if so who does? >> hillary clinton. >> she will again fit if the vice president runs? >> absolutely. she's running guess the press and losing badly. if she has a meaningful -- they're not engaging with bernie sanders and don't think he's a credible threat. credible candidate like joe biden in the race it becomes a two-person race. she gets to engage on the issues with the vice president and the vice president has run two bad campaigns so i think they're actually going to benefit if he gets in the race >> how do you think hillary clinton did last night on "saturday night live"? did you stay up late and watch it? >> i thought she was game and you know. >> they wanted to show off the lighter side and you'll see a lot of that. you talked about the shrinking poll numbers and one of the things they said people don't know the real hillary clinton and want her to come off as more personable.

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all right we want to show you some dramatic pictures that we are getting from rescues overnight. you're seeing pictures there from columbia, south carolina late last night, and this is a scene that seems to have happened in more than just one area. folks getting stranded and obviously first responders trying to rescue and help folks get out of the water. continued dramatic situation in south carolina. we'll have more throughout the course of the day today. we want to switch gears now to a congress that is close to home for folks here in new york and across the country. congress managed to narrowly avoid a government shutdown this week but failed to deliver on something else, leaving a vulnerable and heroic group of

americans in the lurch at midnight wednesday. congress allowed medical care for 9/11 first responders to expire. the program is a lifeline for the firefighters, police and paramedics that have become seriously ill since digging through the wreckage of the twin towers 14 years ago. former volunteer fireman who has been lobbying congress to extend health care coverage spoke with rachel maddow earlier this week. take a listen. >> i've got chronic migraines, chronic clusters, no family history of, the acoustic neuroma the brain tumor they found because they did mris on my head for the migraines we're met with how much money does it cost, where is the funding coming from? that's more of what we're met with instead of how can we help? >> joining me congressman carolyn maloney, and sponsor of new legislation that would extend health care coverage for 9/11 responders permanently. congresswoman, thank you very

much. i think a lot of folks watching this are just going to be shaking their head, and what i want to hear from you is, explain to us why congress is not doing something that i would say the overwhelming majority of americans would say has to be done. >> well, congress is enacting on a gun safety, too, in the overwhelming americans support it. this is something we have to do. it took us nine years to pass the first bill. we cannot wait this long. we know many, many people are sick and dying. we lost 3,000 people on 9/11, but thousands more because of the toxins and the environment which they worked have over 70 different kinds of cancers that have been identified and really injuries and illnesses that are life-threatening and if we don't reauthorize this bill, more people will die. it expired at the end of september but we have money to cover it for another year, and the compensation program dies at the end of october 3rd in 2016.

we have to reauthorize it. congress said they would never forget. fortunately 185 members of congress are remembering and they are cosponsors of the reauthorization of the act. jon stewart came to congress and met with many trying to get cosponsors. we have to get the number of 215 in. if we can get it to the floor for a vote there's not a doubt in my mind that it would pass because the american people know we need to honor the men and women who were there for us. >> so what i do want to go back to this point, is the holdup or the reason why this expired is it political? is this one of those situations where there's political bargaining taking place in congress and this bill has managed to get caught up in it or people in congress who say this bill is not a good idea, we're spending a lot of money and we're not doing it right. we need to find a new way to do it? the price tag on the bill is $4.5 billion, that's the fund. but i'm curious to know are

there members of congress who say we don't need to have this bill, we need to have something better or just getting caught up in the mechanics of congress like so many other things do? >> well, where there's a will, there's a way, and they just haven't acted on it. we need our leaders to put it on the floor for a vote. the original bill had a sunset after five years. we wanted it permanent. the cancers and the illnesses that the people are suffering from, they're permanent. they're not going to expire in five years and we have to be there for them. so the bill was set and legislated to expire at the end of september and the end of october in 2016. so we have to reauthorize it and extend it. we need to extend it permanently. >> you're saying that there's enough money in the fund to cover health care costs until the beginning of next year but is there a real risk that if something doesn't happen in this gap period over the next several months, health care could go down for these responders? >> absolutely. :ices have to renew their leases. they won't. doctors have to plan their

future. they may go to a clinic they know is funded. this one they know has lost its funding. we have to, there are seven different centers in new york and all across the nation, this of a national attack on america. people came from 429 states, and 429 people or rather every single state has people sick from 9/11, because of their work in trying to help people. so it's a national effort. it's a national program. it's one that's been successful scientifically proven, and we have to make this happen. if we don't, people will die. they risk their lives to save the lives of others. the least we can do as a grateful nation is be there for them, with the health care that they so justly deserve and the compensation. >> it is one of those beyond words to say one thing about why congress is not doing this. >> urge your listeners to contact their congressmembers to become sponsors and senators. >> i think you just did that for us. thank you very much,

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>> reporter: good morning. we are further away from the coast but no less water here. torrential downpours and catastrophic flooding following a day of light but steady rain, catching a lot of people off guard. emergency officials are overwhelmed with the number of people calling for assistance. the floodwaters just rushing in, catching a lot of people off guard, and intersections just being overtaken by the water. i want to bring in a family that had a harrowing escape this morning. dwayne, you were driving to pick up charlene from the hospital when you pulled into the intersection. what happened? >> i don't know, the water just came. i started driving and the water just came. by the time i knew it, it was too late. >> reporter: charlene, gao the a call from him saying he was stuck in the intersection, correct? >> yes. he called me and said the car stalled and water started filling up to their feet and any

mother, parent, wife would do, i hitched a ride and i came and tried to help my family get help. >> reporter: by the time they got to you, how high was the water? >> it was half way up the door. actually i tried sticking my feet out to see how strong it was, it was pretty strong. i knew that would be a bad idea. >> you thought ten minutes more and that would have been it. >> oh, yes, water was on the top of the car. ten minutes more probably would have been it. >> reporter: what are you feeling now? >> relieved honestly. happy to be safe now. >> reporter: and charlene, you looking forward to getting home? >> yes. yes. we're thankful, we're just thankful everybody's okay. >> reporter: thank you guys, we're so golad you're okay. officials urging people to stay off the roads as they continue to respond to hundreds of calls. we have a number of creeks overflowing in major flood

stage. lot of emergency calls to answer this morning, and just this plea for drivers to stay home and off the roads f at all possible. back to you. >> thanks to sarah dollaf live in south carolina. meteorologist bill karins is joining us live from the weather center with the latest on the flooding. bill, give us a sense of what's going on with the storm. what can we expect? >> incredible images on social media right now what's going on in south carolina. this one, nicole hawkins gave me permission to use this image. this isn't far from where sarah was located a dam collapse inside columbia east side of downtown, this is simmis lake on ft. jackson, earthen dam, maybe reinforced with a little bit of concrete, it has a huge hole in the middle. that went into wildcat creek and looks like the dam is, the lake is pretty much gone, everything emptied out down into the creek. you can only imagine what that floodwater was like as it rushed down almost through downtown areas of south carolina. here's what we're dealing with,

this flow this is day three of this. we'll go through a little bit tomorrow. we're really at the peak of this event, the worst damage and destruction will be done today. this is an incredible area hose of moisture straight into south carolina, boone hall plantation reported 24 inches of rain, two feet of rain in three days, charleston has their all-time highest rainfall totals for three days, over 16 inches. columbia has ten inches. about six inches of that fell last night and falling hard now. just the imagery in downtown areas of columbia just incredible right now all of the people that have to be rescued, so as far as the radar goes, let me show you, the radar estimates first off, this area of white in here is just incredible amounts of rain. this is anywhere from 6 to 12 inches. there's orangeburg, st. stevens, georgetown in the charleston area. pink and purple shades in here getting upwards almost a foot to two feet of rain and the hose continues through south carolina. it's going to pivot a little bit north. look at the lightning strikes,

these are thunderstorms producing two to three inches of rain an hour in the areas they hit, it's all still focused on the columbia, especially the east side of columbia, there are 96 reports of bridges and state highways that are closed, interstate 26 is closed throughout the area, i-95 is closed trying to drive through south carolina, aymon, they are telling everyone in the state a civil emergency issued, everyone is to stay home, they're telling churches to cancel. they are rescuing hundreds and thousands of people and trying not to make the situation worse. >> if you're in south carolina, folks, please take the warnings seriously. bill karins, thank you very much. we switch gears to stories overseas. new developments in the search for the cargo ship that went missing near the bahamas in hurricane joaquin. the coast guard discovering a life ring. it's a hopeful sign and they will continue to search throughout the day. still ahead an air strike hits an afghanistan hospital run by doctors without borders.

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you're looking at new pictures of charleston, south carolina, you can see the inside of homes flooded there. catastrophic weather affecting the region throughout the day. >> there appears to be more questions than answers about the apparent u.s. air strike that hit an afghanistan hospital yesterday run by doctors without borders. the organization says that 19 people were killed, including 12 staff members and seven patients in the hospital. three of them children. 37 more people were injured in the bombing. president obama expressed his condolences and is waiting for the results from the pentagon's investigation. so far the defense department has confirmed there was an air strike and that there may have been collateral damage. doctors without borders outraged by the air strike announcing this morning it has left the city of kunduz.

more than 15 taliban fighters were firing from inside the hospital, something doctors without borders disputed. joining us is medal of honor recipient retired army colonel jack jacobs. thank you for joining us. let's start talking about how something like this could have even possibly happened. as we understand it from doctors without borders that location was given to the u.s. military, nato forces in advance, they should definitely have known it was a hospital. give us a sense the mind-set how something like this could have happened? >> let me tell you what i think happened. it's before dawn, it's a distance maybe a quarter of a mile from the hospital, a half a mile more or less. some distance which to people who have not been in combat seems like it's a long distance away but in terms of combat, not very far at all. afghan army or afghan militia,

perhaps both, contact the taliban, a fierce firefight ensues, and they call for air support, and what shows up is an ac-130 gunship, an aircraft originally designed as a transport, but outfitted with 105 millimeter automatic cannon, gatling guns, machine guns. these are aerial fire weapon, they're really accurate but they're not nearly as accurate as what we've been used to, and that is precision guided munitions that are accurate down to a meter or even less. these are aerial fire weapons. i fired them myself in combat, they're accurate but not that accurate. >> colonel jacobs doctors without borders, they claim the air strikes continued even when they alerted fofficials their facility had been hit. here is the executive director speaking on "pbs news hour." >> once the hospital was under

attack your agency made contact with the u.s. military, the afghan forces to tell them, and the bombs still kept falling? >> that is correct. we informed our contacts both in washington and kabul level and at tacks continued to happen, in spite of our efforts, both in the days prior and when the attack was unfolding. >> so it seems that this was not just a one, you know, you can't just say it was an accidental fire in the sense it was one bomb that accidentally or one shot that landed in the vicinity of the hospital because he's saying that we continuously warned the americans. i wanted to get your thoughts on his comments, what do you make of his comments in light of your explanation? >> well, first of all, they're not bombs. an ac-130 was there, these are artillery rounds and smaller caliber exploding rounds. second, think about the chain of communications, the hospital, two higher headquarters to the of agaps have to talk through

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new this morning out of columbia, south carolina as a van attempts to forge through the flooded streets of that city. south carolina officials advising drivers of course not to attempt to driver through the floods and stay indoors through the storm. there is a lot going on this morning so let's get caught up on some of the other stories making news this morning, including donald trump who defended the second amendment at

an event in tennessee last night. he also revealed that he has a license to carry a concealed weapon. take a listen. >> in fact, i have a license to carry in new york. can you believe that? nobody knows that. somebody attacks me. somebody attacks me, oh, they're going to be shocked. can you imagine somebody says, oh, there's trump. he's easy pickens. >> did you say they were be shot or shocked? >> shocked. >> shocked. >> oh, yeah, shocked. >> for those who thought trump said anybody who attacks him would be shot, the word he says he used there was actually shocked. shock. let's bring our panel back. >> this is a classic case of where donald trump in this primary is saying what's politically expedient for him and appealing to the conservative base because he actually used to support stricter gun laws. this is one of those issues

where republicans are trying to make the case this guy is not actually a real conservative if you look at his record. >> shocked? were you shocked? >> you know -- look. there are plenty of folks who are on the left side of this issue who have friends and supporters who are surrounded by body guards, all of them are armed. law abiding citizens will behave in a lawful way with their firearms. our problem is those who do not abide by the laws or who have deeply disturbed mental illness who should never have their hands on firearms. what he said or didn't say does not resolve that issue. >> as nan well knows, there's a ritual in congress when you say something on the floor that's inarticulate or dumb, you can revise and extend your remarks. donald trump seems to have adopted to policy for his campaign because he's now assumed this pattern. he says something that's really offensive, then i didn't say

that. >> he didn't know the difference between the qods and the kurds. >> all right, guys. thanks very much for joipi ijoi this morning. and thank you for getting up with us. stay tuned to msnbc all day for the latest on that catastrophic flooding that's taking place in south carolina. up next is melissa harris-perry. stay tuned and have a great weekend, everyone. change channels while he changes pants. you don't have to be a couch potato, you can be a train potato! and let them watch all the shows they love, inside the ride that you really kind of hate. introducing the all in one plan. only from directv and at&t.

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we begin with the catastrophic and dangerous flooding conditions. >> we were talking the couple days ago of three days of torrential rains, we could get maybe we thought foot, foot and a half. now some areas have gotten two feet of rain. there's water everywhere in south carolina. just got word that i-95 is now closed in both directions and all the alternate routes are closed, too. traffic literally has stopped going north and south up and down the eastern seaboard for trucks, for cars, for mostly rail travel, too. everyone has to wait for the water to recede in the days ahe ahead. this was just a flow. the storm responsible is still spinning right now over north flo florida, southern georgia.