he says it's not a real poll. it's not really happening. so who knows that it won't take him getting to 8 or 5% or 4% even before he starts to realize that maybe he's in a little bit of trouble. >> olivia, josh, thank you both. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. a whole bunch of things just happened in political news today. mostly late today. and what's been breaking today in the news is relevant both in terms of policy and very much so in terms of politics, but tonight's news in politics is very different than this morning's news was in politics because it's just been one of those days when things kept happening to change the narrative. the first thing i should tell you about is we just got news, we just got word that president obama is going to be going to roseburg, oregon this week. he is going on friday. roseburg, oregon, is where the umpqua community college mass shooting was last week. president obama, of course, was visibly angry when he gave

remarks at the white house in response to that shooting a few days ago. in his presidential press conference on friday, president obama went so far as to urge individual americans to become single issue voters on the issue of gun law reform. he said with some emotion he is not going to stop talking about this issue, even though it upsets people when he does. he said something has to be done to change the pot o politics around the issue of guns in the united states and he intends to do all he can to do that. now president obama, himself, will be going personally to the site of our nation's latest high profile mass shooting. so that trip on friday to roseburg, oregon, that should put a big public spotlight not just on the guns did issue but on the president's effort to change the politics, the political dynamics around gun laws. i think that spotlight is something democrats up to and including the president used to be shy about. democrats used to avoid having to talk about guns, unless they

were 100% inline with the nra, as some democrats are. increasingly, we seen over the last three years and it's more evident now than it ever has been. increasingly, democrats who do want gun reforms are now not only willing to talk about it. they're very happy to get the spotlight for it. they're happy to get attention for it. i think democrats have finally started to realize however loud the nra is, frankly the public is with democrats on this issue broadly speaking to the extent than democrats dozen actually want some reforms around the nation's gun laws. and that changing dynamic in democratic politics over the last few years really coming to a head this year has created on the campaign trail this year some really, really interesting dynamics among democrats. that's in, part, an because after bernie sanders. right? as a congressman and a senator from the great rural pro hunting state of vermont, bernie sanders took some non-pro gun control votes over the course of his career.

he did not support the brady bill, which mandated background checks for people buying guns. senator sanders also did not support legislation that would let people sue gun manufacturers the same way that normal companies get sued for liability when their products hurt people. now, in context, it's not that bernie sanders should be seen as a conservative on the issue of guns, he's not conservative on any issue, including guns. but unlike most other big hot topic issues, where senator sanders is to the left of the typical democrat, he is not to the left of a typical democrat on guns, at least, he hasn't been in the past. >> that makes for some interesting cross currents, now that he is running for president and doing so well in his run for president. weirdly, that's creating interesting room around him, particularly to his left, as democrats try to compete with each other for the favor of democratic voters. so we've now got former maryland

governor martin o'malley who has been very aggresse on this guns issue. as a politician, he signed gun reform legislation into law when he was maryland governor. now on the presidential campaign trail, martin o'malley is calling for four specific things to be changed. four specific, easily understandable, knowable big things to change around guns. he wants there to be, number one, licenses for all gun purchases. number two, he wants anybody buying a gun to be fingerprinted. number three, he wants illegal trafficking of guns to be a federal crime which means it would be taken much more seriously than it is now. >> the last thing he is proposing is a super interesting proposal, which concerns the purchasing pour of the federal government. one of the biggest pushers of firearms in the united states is, obviously, the federal government all sorts of different federal agencies arm people for all different sorts of purposes. martin o'malley is proposing that as a huge purchaser of firearms in this country the

federal government should use that power and only purchase guns from companies who agree to the best technological safety standards for their products including microstamping. he wants these guns where it's a special treatment of the firing pin in the gun to microstamp every bullet essentially as it's fired. the firing pin is scored in a readsable way t. consequence of that is at least theoretically every single bullet from which it's fired. it's basically fingerprinting for guns and ammo. martin o'malley says the federal government only agrees to buy firearms from companies that use that technology in their guns all of a sudden, american gun crimes get a lot easier to solve. super interesting policy proposal from martin o'malley. now, that said, in political terms, martin o'malley cannot get arrested. yes, he is technically running for president. you almost can't tell that by looking at the polls.

ppp just unveiled a new national democratic poll tonight. we're going to have more detail on this poll later in the show tonight. because it's fascinating. but one little detail here. ppp decided basically to play a little joke on the democratic field. they polled on all the various democrats running for president, hillary clinton, martin o'malley, bernie sanders. they also folded into the mix, among other people, michael dukakis. democratic nominee for president in 1988, lost to poppy bush by something like 12 points. even so turns out if you put michael dukakis's name into the polls as if he is running for president this year, he beats martin o'malley. yeah. >> so that's kind of mean, but it happens, you know, if, frankly, realistically speaking, it does not appear governor martin o'malley is a threat to win the

democratic nomination this year. that's not the only reason to run. right? on this guns issue, martin o'malley is being aggressive in a specific way. he is not making the case people should support him for president because this is his platform on guns. he is say, explicitly to the other campaigns and their supporters. you know what, if you don't support me, if you support bernie sanders for president, you should pressure bernie to support these same ideas on guns. he is saying to hillary clinton supporters, hey, you may not support me for president. you may support hillary clinton for president. if so you should pressure her to support pols like these on guns. so that is an ernest effort from martin o'malley, not just try to compete for the democratic nomination, which she's trying to compete for, but to make sure that the fact that he's in the race matters. whether or not he wins. the fact that he is in the race is making the conversation more substantive, more aggressive on this policy issue. honestly, that's awesome that's the sign of a good race well

thought no matter who wins. when people who aren't winning can nevertheless inject substance and specificity where people might otherwise be able to get away with. so, good on martin o'malley. in fact, today, hillary clinton unveiled her own series of actions she says she could take on guns. a series of actions she says she could take on the guns issue with or without congress. hmm. these new proposals from secretary clinton today significantly ramp up her aggressiveness on this issue. she seems to be very well aware, by doing this had, particularly by saying i could do this without congress, she's seems very well aware she is inviting the hysteria the gun lobby is known for. she's not explicitly saying, bring it on. it's clear that democrats, including hillary clinton, are starting to see the gun lobby being mad at them as more a badge of pride than something to worry about anymore. also, what hillary clinton has just done -- this is fascinating -- she has just

specifically put the obama white house in a really interesting position. because, yes, martin o'malley put forward specific policies he wants. that's interesting. bernie sanders has this record where he comes from the left but not particularly on the least on that issue. so he has stuff to answer. what hillary clinton has done, it's fascinating because how it sets her up vis-a-vis the president. with these new policy proposals hillary clinton has come out with, if she is right that this whole list of stuff she says she could do, if she's right these are all things that could be do done by a president with or without congress, well, that raises the question of whether president obama could do these things now, too, if he wanted to. i mean, president obama is obviously very fired up on this issue of gun reform. he has already taken a bunch of executive actions on issues like research around guns around reporting requirements and other things that he could do without congress. but as hillary clinton has now identified a series of newly aggressive things a president could do alone on enforcing the gun laws in this country, by

rolling out that list of policies right now, secretary clinton may not have just changed the conversation around her own campaign. she could conceivably move american policy on this issue right now. even before she is nominated let alone i elected. if the obama whoudz says, oh, yeah, some of those things could be done with or without congress, she says they could be done, if she's right, president obama should tell us why he's not doing them himself. fascinating. so that was the news late tonight. president obama going to roseburg, oregon this week. we don't know exactly what he is going to do there. but the politics around the intractable issue have just very quickly gotten way more specific and way more interesting. and on the subject of democrats becoming less afraid of tacking to the left, hillary clinton's move in that direction in addition to all the gun stuff, surprisingly, i think, was also manifest in her

appearance on "saturday night live" this weekend. i mean, i love me some political copdy. pol political comedy only very rarely makes policy news though, right? >> but in of this "saturday night live" skit, hillary clinton was a norm person, a bartender val, val is having a conversation with hillary clinton. so it's hillary clinton talking with herself. the real hillary talking to a hillary impersonator. it's hard to wrap your head around until you see it. it ends up being, a, very funny, b, a really interesting way for secretary clinton to make some public apologies for having taken so long to get to where she is now on issues like the keystone pipeline and on the issue of gay marriage. i think this is her way of saying on "saturday night live" listen, you guys, sorry it took me so long to get it out there.

>> hillary, i think you've heard enough in here. let's get out of here. >> why don't you go ahead. i'm going to have one more drink. hey, bartender, keep them coming. [ cheers ] >> rough night? >> yeah, you could say that. whew. hi, i'm hillary rodham clinton. >> hey, great name. i'm val. so hillary, what brings you here tonight? >> well, i needed to blow off some steam. i've had a hard couple of 22 years. >> why? what do you do for a living? >> first, i'm a grandmother, second, i am a human entrusted with this one green earth. >> oh, i get it, you're a politician? >> yes. yes. and how about you? >> well, me, i'm just an

ordinary citizen who believes the keystone pipeline will destroy our environment. >> i agree with you there. it did take me a long time to decide that. but i am against it. >> you know nothing wrong with taking your time. what's important is getting it right. >> yeah, i'll drink to that. >> hi, mrs. clinton. i'm so sorry to interrupt. i just wanted to say my sister's gay. so thank you for all you've done for gay marriage. >> well, you are welcome. >> it really is great how long you have supported gay marriage. >> yes. i could have supported it sooner. >> well, you did it pretty soon. >> yeah. it could have been sooner. >> fair point. >> well, then let us tap our fists in friendship. oh, val, i'm just so darn bummed. all anyone wants to talk about is donald trump.

>> donald trump, isn't he the one that's like, uh, you're all losers? >> that is him, that is him. >> do you think he'll win the primaries? >> he must. i want to be the one to take him down. il destroy him and i will mount his hair in the oval office! >> hillary clinton and doppelganger on "saturday night live" this weekend. there really isn't any daylight between hillary clinton and the other democratic candidates on issues like same-sex marriage and the keystone pipeline. i don't know if anyone else has a donald trump impression as good as hers. but that skit on saturday night live" is how secretary clinton is apologizing for how long it took her to get to some of her

new liberal positions on some new high profile issues like keystone and marriage. it's also incidentally the best political skit i've seen on "saturday night live" in a very long time. in terms of the other democratic candidates, though, i am told there is a lot going on right now and there is. vice president biden, of course, has still not said whether he's going to jump into the democratic race for president. he and secretary clinton gave dualing or if you prefer complimentary appearances before the human rights campaign this weekend. that's the gay rights group. both of them were very, very warmly received at hrc. >> that comes at a whole new round of sun sourced but still breathless speculationing that vice president biden will declare soon, this week maybe that he is going to get into the race, maybe. i tend to not believe these stories, or pay too much attention to them when they come out every few day, only because they come out every few days and the only sources to talk about why joe biden is going to run for president are people who

definitely want joe biden to run for president. so these people that don't know anything, nevertheless, give these blind quotes to the media, making it sound like a cartoon -- of course, he'll run because they want to make it sound like he'll run because they want to persuade him to run through the press. does any of that mean he is going to run? absolutely not. but in that context, i have a new actual piece of data to give you with a name attached. it's about whether or not vice president biden will run as president. as i said, this is a new piece of actual information. it has a name. and the name is the reverend an sharpton. our beloved reverend al has just started his new weekend show sunday mornings at 8:00 on msbc. this weekend in addition to getting his new show off the ground, reverend al had a birthday. happy birthday reverend al. i can now hereby report that even though vice president biden and the reverend al sharpton have known each other for a highway, they have spoken

personally on several occasions, i can hereby report this weekend for the first time ever in the natural lifetime of the reverend al sharpton, vice president biden called him to wish him a happy birthday. which might just be a nice thing to do. it might also mean that vice president biden is def running for president and wants to court the reverend al's support. so, therefore, he called him on his birthday as a political -- i don't know. i don't know and neither do you. but now we both know that that information exists. and while maybe candidate joe biden was delivering those birthday wishes to reverend al and giving a campaign style speech at the human rights campaign, meanwhile on saturday this weekend, bernie sanders was holding spectacularly well traended campaign rallies in the deep blue state of massachusetts. out where i live in springfield, mass the campaign had been telling the press that they were expect 2g,000 to 3,000 people to turn out for an event at the mass mutual center in springfield, mass. >> that event on saturday did to

turn out 2,000 or 3,000 people. it turned out 6,000 people. people were so enthusiastic that a local reporter for the springfield republican newspaper called the crowd, quote, deafening. after that rally in western massachusetts for 6,000 people, senator sanders drove east for a rally on saturday night that drew one of the largest crowds that any capped had in any venue anywhere in the country since the whole start of the race. there were 20,000 people saturday night crammed into the boston convention center to see bernie sanders. the campaign says they counted another 4,000 people on top of that outside the convention center. people in the overflow who couldn't get into the building the boston globe noting today the previous crowd size record set by any presidential primary candidate in massachusetts before now was barack obama in 2008 who turned out 10,000 people in boston. if bernie sanders, in fact, turned out 24,000 people in

boston, that means he not only beat barack obama's record from eight years ago, more than doubled it. that said to be fair, senator sanders is from new england, he's from a neighboring state. tease been a fitch tour in vermont politics forever. vermont and massachusetts are close. both geographically and culturally on the left. maybe you can think of these huge springfield and boston crowds as kind of hope town crowds for bern a sanders. sort of. maybe we should think of it that way. and you know, to be fair, maybe any presidential candidate appearing before a home town crowd at this point in the race could be counted on to turn out thousands or tens of thousands of people at this point hometown, right? any of them can do that, couldn't they? of course not. cue account sad trombone sound. for one other republican presidential candidate this time, who is hoping to be president but who had the saddest possible experience at home this weekend and that story

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>> so rand paul went home to kentucky this weekend to do a home state event alongside the republican candidate for governor in kentucky. that governor's race in kentucky is next month. so rand paul and matt bevin, the gubernatorial candidate in kentucky, they did a joint campaign appearance on saturday in kentucky, big home state event in the heat of the campaign. the presidential candidate in person and everything. they got a grand total of 50 people to turn out to see them and at that event which the rand paul could not get himself a presidential endorsement from the other guy he was there is campaigning with. >> reporter: presidential candidate senator rand paul

endorsing matt bevin days after the rally just days after bevin says he supports ben carson in the presidential race. >> it's immaterial to me. it's also something i understand. i mean, there are going to be people i know well who may not support me for the presidency but support me for the senate. >> senator rand paul talking to local cbs affiliate wkyt. there is a lot going on right now, particularly today, that i think is fascinating on the democratic side ust democratic side of the presidential race. on the republican side of the race, the continuing questions continue to be about the bottom of the field and who is going to quit next. how the field is going to winnow down. rand paul is teetering on the brink of perceived viability. headlines about his campaign right now look like this. a paul says he's not quitting. the rand paul campaign insists he's not folding tent. hometown paper, when they

covered his sad trombone 50 person rally, rand paul had to patiently explain to the local reporters from that paper, no, no, he was not planning on dropping out of the race. but there is a real question now as to whether or not he's going to make the main debate is taken at the next republican debate which is coming up in colorado and it's going to be aired by cnbc. politico.com now saying if you look at the polls being used to qualify people for that debate. if you add up the qualifying polls for that debate right now, as best they can tell, you would need two respondents. two actual individual people to change their mind about rand paul. two people changing their minds would be enough for him to go from making the debate to him not making the debate. two people. he is right on the bubble. so this is a fascinating time. the republican party just tonight released the schedule of when delegates are going to be awarded in the race for the republican presidential nomination. it's basically the map of when the republican race is going to be decided. it turns out, as expected, the republican party has decided to

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so they're calling this a thousand year flood. the carolinas have seen unrelenting rainfall over the last few days, record breaking, frankly, deadly rainfall, the deluge has claimed two lives in north carolina as of this evening, south carolina officials say 11 people have been killed in that state. the rain has come partly from hurricane joaquin, partly from a local storm that would not quit. south carolina governor nikki haley warning as water makes its way from the mid londs to the low count to the sea, lakes incomes those areas will swell. they are formed by dams now straining to hold the water. below those dams are communities faced with the threat of yet more flooding if those dams get -- give way or they're breached. ground zero for the new flooding is the capital city of columbia which got six months worth of rain in two days. that deluge has already submerged parts of suburban south carolina, five people, almost half the deaths from this

storm in that state have already died here in this area. all of them in their cars. all of them in flooding caused directly by rain. but again this area is also a part of 70 mile long network of dams and lakes and streams, which eventually empty into the congary river. since saturday, eight or nine dams have given way across the state. three of those where is here in the gill's creek watershed. you see a dam breaks near the top of this lake system, this overfilled lake rushes down into the next lake. then another dam breaks and so on and oh on. all eyes right now, we are told, are on the forest lake dam. if the forest lake dam breaks, and the second largest lake in can that whole watershed will flow down into lake catherine. if lake katherine's 3,000 foot dam breaks that, could be a seriously major disaster. 200,000 people live in that watershed. columbia, south carolina, has been the scene of dramatic rescues all day today.

tonight, mandatory evacuations are under way around those local lakes and, of course, everybody is hoping we have seen the end of these dams getting breached and getting blown. joining us now is msnbc correspondent, what are you seeing, what's the latest that you know? >> reporter: well, rachel, there were some very tense moments this afternoon. we were actually in a neighborhood where residents had recently been allowed back in to take stock of their homes, see what was salvageable. they were inside their homes when the news came that a dam upstream had broken and people needed to evacuate immediately. and this is what officials were dealing with. this chain reaction of dam breaches. you know, one would breach the water would he travel down. the next one wouldn't be able to handle that sort of pressure and so on and so forth. these are earthen dams. as you can see behind me the water knocking out the dams, but

asphalt, a foot layer thick tossed away like it was nothing. you know, south carolina, they were supposed to have dodged the bullet. hurricane joaquin, but, instead, got the devastating flooding. a main issue right now here in columbia is that the drinking water is contaminated. that was a huge issue earlier today. five hospitals in the area were reporting that they were in trouble because of this. luckily fire fighters were able to reach them. they think they're going to be able to keep them sustained with clean water for now. so that is a small sigh of relief. some residents, however, still without water. some people without electricity. there is also search teams going door-to-door checking for people who may have been trapped and clearing those properties. meanwhile, looking forward, rivers and streams still expected to swell as the water makes its way down here to the midlands down from these affected areas. once that water level goes down, they're still not out of the

woods yet. these roads, these bridges, these dams, need to be inspected for structural integrity. the governor had it right when she said this is a long term recovery. back to you. >> sarah, thank you for being with us. i appreciate it. it is remarkable in these circumstances when there's so much infrastructure involved that once the rain stops falling, it doesn't necessarily mean that the risk has passed. so in south carolina, while we saw that dramatic rescue efforts today, you know, the rescue teams are still working. the inspections are still happening. potentially further dams could go. this is something that it's going to be hard to tell when it's resolved. it will be a lot of digging out over a very long period of time and a lot of infrastructure rebuilding is going to be necessary in south carolina we this is all over. scary stuff. all right, ahead, the democrats now playing offense,

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>> okay. flashback to the 1980s. computers look like this. all right. no fancy icons, no pictures, lines and lines of texts. sometimes if you had a fancy ones, there would be different colors of texts to make it look slightly more pretty. the classic age of computing, right? the problem is, what you are looking at is not from the 1980s, this is today. this is the system used by the united states secret service right now in 2015, to store the kind of very sensitive information that the secret service has access to. in march of this year, they are -- that ridiculously antiquated system was at the center of a plot to smear a member of congress. on march 24th this year, the director of the secret service

was testifying about a pair of his agents being drunk and crashing a secret service vehicle right into a bomb scare investigation at the white house, while that testimony was going on while the secret service director was being grilled on capitol hill, a number of secret service agents decided to access that 1980s looking system and they figured out that one of the members of congress who was raking the secret service director over the coals ha day, that congressman had himself once applied to become a secret service agent. wouldn't you know it. he didn't make the cut. he was rejected. ha ha. dozens of secret service agents accessed that information in violation of agency policy and the law. they shared that information with each other. then they decided to share it wider. assistant director of the secret service e-mailed a colleague "some information he might find embarrassing needs to get out, just to be fair." and that information did get out, that internal personnel

file showing that that member had been rejected by the secret service. that information was, in fact, leaked to the press which is terrible. around it's yet another scandal for the secret service a particularly stupid and scandal but a scandal nonetheless. the director of the secret service himself is not directly ipplicated in the scandal but he is admitted he learned about it earlier than he told investigators he learned about it. the director is apparently not going to lose his job over the scandal, though. he appeared today alongside his boss, homeland secretary jay johnson. secretary johnson said of the secret service director "that he has a lot of confidence in him, but the person the secret service was trying to smear by leaking that disparaging job application about him, the person they were going after in this stupid and petty scandal, that member of congress might now be the next speaker of the house because it was republican congressman jason chaffetz of utah.

he was the one who in in turn had the secret service leak information about him applying to the secret service to try to embarrass him. if he becomes speaker, that would put him two heart beats away from the presidency and, of course the secret service protection that comes with that job. eek. so he might be speaker of the house. he might not. still very much a dark horse candidates. since john boehner resigned as speaker, the man everyone expected to replace him is california congressman kevin mccarthy. he is definitely the front runner for the speaker job. jason chavitz is now running against him, in part, because of the awkward fact that very frequently when congressman mccarthy opens his mouth near a microphone, he makes no sense. it defies belief that the president would allow the ban on iranian oil experts to be lifted. and also stand by russia black mails an entire continent. all the while keeping the place of the band on america.

>> stand by russia black males an entire continent all the while keeping the place on the bond of america. today jason chaffetz went right after that weakness in kevin mccarthy by saying the republicans need to elect a speaker who "speaks." now there is more bad news for congressman kevin mccarthy. the still house speaker john boehner the actual vote on who the new speaker will be won't take place until the end of october. the reason that's trouble is this. house republicans will vote on thursday, this week, for who they want to be their nominee for speaker. they presumably will nominate kevin mccarthy. but then it's going to be three long weeks after that till it the actual vote on the house floor takes place to install him in the job. three weeks. three weeks for that candidate to twist in the wind as the choice of the establishment while anyone unhappy with that choice for any reason gets to take shots at him.

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republican benghazi committee that has been investigating that scandal, supposed scandal. hillary clinton's response to the question was kind of surprising and very passionate. >> you mentioned your republican rivals making hay of this. >> right. >> i have to ask you, if the tables were turned and it was dick cheney or karl rove who had a private e-mail account or a private server on which they conducted all their government business, would you be as understanding? >> i would have never done that. look at the situation they chose to exploit to go after me for political reasons. the death of four americans in benghazi. i knew the ambassador. i identified him. i asked him to go there. i asked the president to nominate him. there have been seven investigations led mostly by republicans in the congress and they were non-partisan and they reached conclusions that, first of all, i and nobody did anything wrong but there were changes we could make. this committee was set up as they have admitted for the purpose of making a partisan

political issue out of the deaths of four americans. i would have never done that and if i were president, and there were republicans or democrats who were thinking about that, i would have done anything to shut it down. i have been around this political situation for a long time. but some things are just beyond the pale. i'm happy to go if it still is in operation to testify. i am happy to turn over my e-mails. >> i'm happy to go if the committee is still in operation. politics of the house benghazi committee have changed since the leading republican candidate for the speaker of the house kevin mccarthy admitted openly that the committee was created by house republicans to lower hillary clinton's poll numbers. republicans had called this a serious credible non-partisan investigation into the attack on benghazi diplomatic post in 2012. even as information they said would be kept secret has been leaked on a regular basis to the press for the last few months,

always in ways that seem designed specifically to try to hurt hillary clinton. well now, democrats on the committee are going on offense about that. today the five democrats on that committee sent a letter to the chairman of the committee saying they plan to release previously undisclosed testimony that was given to that committee by one of hillary clinton's top aides, cheryl mills. cheryl mills testified for eight hours before the committee last month and after that testimony the chairman, trey gowdy said that information, that that testimony would be treated "as if it were classified." well, not really. as soon as she was done testifying, parts of it were leaked from the committee. parts of it seemed again to make hillary clinton look as bad as possible. well, now, the democrats are threatening to release that testimony in full to the american people, basically turning to go on offense on story on which the republicans have been on shaky ground for quite some time but now they're in a position almost unimaginable months ago because

of what their speaker in waiting has just admitted about what they are doing here. joining us now here in los angeles is add daek scheck, one of the five democrats to sign that letter threatening to release that testimony to the american public against chairman trey gowdy's wishes. thanks for being here. >> good to be with you. >> why threaten to release that full testimony? why warn the chairman that you're about to do that? what's the goal? >> well, the goal is to really set the record straight. we have experienced over the last 16 months that this committee has been in existence, selective leaks by the committee, by the chairman notwithstanding all the promises to work in a bipartisan way and not to leak information. they've acted in a very partisan way interviewing witnesses without us present, not telling us about the interviews when they don't corroborate gop conspiracy theories. in the case of cheryl mills, we decided enough is enough. their speaker in waiting has

acknowledged this was always about attacking secretary clinton and i think now that that is abundantly clear not just from his statements, a month ago i wrote an op-ed saying we should shut this committee down. after 16 months, $4.5 million, we have no new insight to tell the american people about what happened in benghazi. that's not surprising. we had seven or eight other investigations before this one began. but we basically having said enough is enough. if they're going to continue leaking things, we are going to be publishing them in their entirety so the american people can see the context. >> if chairman gowdy, you were telling him, you weren't asking him. if he decides to try to stop you from doing this, is there anything he can do to stop you? can you say you're breaking a rule and punish you in a way that might make you not do this? >> no, there isn't. if he has an argument that some part of the interview is so

sensitive it shouldn't be released, we'll listen to what he has to say. frankly there are many other interviews that should also be published. some of them like sidney blumenthal was a deposition. there we may be prevented from unilaterally from making a disclosure. if they're going to continue to do this they released selected e-mails but not others, release e-mails of a witness but not the testimony about the e-mails we're going to say enough is enough. we're going to start publishing these materials. >> when secretary clinton today raised the prospect the committee might not exist october 22nd, is that a possibility? do you think it's possibility the committee will be ended sometime soon? >> it is a possibility that democrats will end their participation. we had a vigorous debate whether we should participate at all. i frankly took the position we shouldn't, this would would be what it has become, soly about trying to attack secretary clinton. there were good reasons to be in

the room. if we hadn't been in the room we wouldn't be in the position to be releasing this record to set the record straight. it was a tough call. at the same time, our continued participation gives this committee a pa tina of respectability it doesn't deserve. at a certain point, we may just decide there's nothing productive for us to do to be part of this charade. >> congressman adam schiff from here in southern california, thank you for your time tonight. we'll be right back. stay with us. febreze air effects heavy duty has up to two times the odor-eliminating power to remove bathroom odors you've gone noseblind to use febreze air effects till it's fresh. and try febreze small spaces... ... to continuously eliminate up to two times the odors for 30 days febreze small spaces and air effects, two more ways to breathe happy.

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recovering to what the u.s.-led war and its aftermath did to iraqi instruct and basic stuff like getting electricity to the average iraqi household. one of the day-to-day things in iraq that started with the launch of that war 12 1/2 years ago that's been true since that war was launched is you can't drive through the middle of iraq's capital city. this whole big central swath of baghdad was christened the green zone at the start of the war. surrounded by concrete walls and checkpoints. it holds the u.s. embassy, which is the biggest u.s. embassy in the world. fancy housing for the protected class. regular iraqis haven't been able to go there for more than 12 years now. until this weekend. this weekend the iraqi prime minister threw open the gates. the prime minister, himself, came down to one main entrance the green zone and waved at people as they drove in welcoming them to this part of their own city they've been kept out of for all these years. and at one level, it is just simply a blessing and a relief for baghdad's spectacularly terrible traffic.

at another level, though, as u.s. air strikes continue in iraq against isis and the u.s. military fighting against the taliban ticks back up in afghanistan, and the "washington post" front pages, a push/pull of a story suggesting the obama now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" also here in l.a. tonight. hi, lawrence. >> rachel, i'll see you back at the house later. >> indeed. don't tell the kids i'll be late. >> thank you, rachel. the vatican now says that kim davis was not granted an individual audience with the pope at his residence in