heads this tendency to put his foot in his mouth. he is not very good at putting sentences together with nouns and verbs and all in the proper order. so i think he has to prove that he can stand on two feet and not trip over himself. that's a big part of it. a lot of this nervousness is not so much ideological, but the ability to communicate. >> molly, you'll get an e-mail from mike long in a few minutes that will have nouns and verbs, i have a feeling. that's it for us. ayman mohyeldin picks up our coverage, next. right now on msnbc live, surveying the damage. tonight, a look at the results from historic and deadly flooding in south carolina. plus, the potential of more evacuations and even more breached dams. extended stay in afghanistan. president obama reportedly considering keeping up to 5,000 u.s. troops in the country beyond next year. and a major sports scandal in the unregulated world of fantasy sports gambling. allegations that employees were

placing bets and winning using insider information. we begin this hour with widespread damage after the catastrophic flooding in south carolina. floodwaters have begun to recede in some areas across the state, allowing officials to get their first look at the scope of the damage. here's the latest information we have. 15 people have died in weather-related incidents in south carolina. another two in north carolina. ten dams across the state have failed, unleashing rushing waters across already-flooded zones. the damage expected to top $1 billion. nbc's craig melvin is live for us in columbia, south carolina, with all of the latest. craig, what's going on down there right now? >> reporter: ayman, i can tell you that the pictures and the video you just showed don't really do the scene justice. i grew up here, went to high school 15, 20 minutes away. no one who's lived here for any measurable amount of time has seen anything like this in the city of columbia. a number of the folks i've

talked to all said the same thing. it wasn't the sheer amount of water, it was the speed in which the water came into their homes, rushed down their streets, came into these neighborhoods. i'm on a block here, i can tell you, i've talked to eight different homeowners. none of the homes in this particular block right now are salvageable. everyone has had to leave the homes. they've taken all their valuables with them. the insurance adjustors are coming. they're going to try to rebuild here. that's the scene across much of columbia, south carolina. i want to give you a look right now, high above the devastation. this is not far from where i'm standing in the same neighborhood near gil's creek, one of the many creeks and tributaries here that overflowed. and you can see what a lot of folks have spent much of their day doing, pulling furniture and clothes and valuables outside of the house for the trash trucks to come along and take them away, so they can get in there and start to try, and again,

rebuild what they can. 15 people now dead. 7 of them, the result of drowning. i talked to my mother a short time ago, in fact. and my mom actually works with the mother of one of those men who died while he was swimming. so, i want to bring in steve benjamin, the mayor of columbia, south carolina. thank you, first of all, for taking the time. >> thank you for being here. >> you've been pulling some long days, as a lot of the first responders have. what's the latest? what can you tell us about, there was talk, i know, of another dam possibly breaching. how does it look? >> we're not out of the woods, craig. so still a few more days. we'll have to fully assess where we are. the last several days, we've been focusing, the number one priority, preservation of human life. number two, with we've been working to make sure our people maintain some qualities like food, shelter, water. but it's been a rough day. we did recover another individual who drowned trying to

escape in his vehicle, just a couple days ago. knew his father and his father is a longtime neighborhood leader here. it's been tough. but i will tell you that of all the devastation we've seen, the acts of kindness, the way this community has come together, people who have -- some people who have never knew each other, who probably never would have met each other, working together now to make sure that this city continues to do the great things we're doing. we're coming back. but it's going to take some time. we want to make sure people understand and manage expectations. it's going to take us some time to get our legs back up under us, but we'll be right back. >> the city getting the support it needs from the state and the federal government? >> we've had incredible cooperation. on the local level, all of our first responders working together. the philanthropic community, the business community, everybody chipping in, had a great meeting with the governor, everyone's chipping in. the speed with which the governor made the request and president obama responded with the disaster declaration is

unheard of. and we're so thankful that we're seeing everyone work together. things usually don't happen very fast in washington or even in the state government. everyone's working hard to make sure we get this done. >> a number of schools are still closed. any idea how long the schools will be closed here? any idea how long people will be without water? >> sure. i anticipate the schools will stay closed for a few more days, but that's up tonight superintendents of education. today, when we started this, we had about 130 plus thousand people out of water. earlier today, we were down to about 42,000. and i'm receiving tweets from citizens now, the water's coming on bit by bit. the damage that our infrastructure has sustained has been significant. the ability to repair, in some places, has been hampered by large pools of standing water and other challenges can, but our folks are hard at work. our first responders and our utility workers have really been working hard to deliver our infrastructure back to our citizens. >> any ideas how many roads are closed right now around the city and when those roads will be open? >> sure. things are changing every moment. just yesterday, we had 550 roads

shut down around the region. roads that we've had to navigate in various ways just yesterday, some are more navigable now, but some have been deteriorating, so we want to make sure that people pass on safe roads. >> reporter: as i've talked to people, one of the things that's stood out, is that there was not more of a loss of life, if you really think about it. if you think about the sheer amount of water, the speed at which that water rushes through the city of columbia, it's amazing more people didn't die. >> craig, this is a great federal republic, less than 250 years old, this was a thousand-year event. and remember, we had ten days of sustained rain before the heavy rains came. folks were working together. we were preparing for what we thought first would be a 100-year event, a 200-year serene, it turned intoin ing a

one, but that working together has helped significantly. >> appreciate your time. i know you have a lot of things to do. we'll let you get back to it. >> my colleague and friend, sarah dollof is driving around the city of columbia, taking us to some of the harder hit areas. sarah, i understand you're over on trinham road, which is literally about a mile from where we are. >> reporter: yeah, we're in what's called old neck, a neighborhood out of the center of columbia. we want to show you what's going on. if you look tote side, you can see cleaning trucks already here, getting a head start on this job. as soon as the sun was out, this were here. we'll bring you up to a house, this is the neighborhood, these cars that you're seeing belong to family members and volunteers who really have spent the entire day helping people assess their situation. we're going to pull up to this house in just a second. we're going to show you what they have left and what is inside, to give you an idea of just what homeowners are dealing with. we're going to pull up outside the home right now. i'm going to get out of the car

here and come around to the side, to give you an idea, just what they are dealing with here. this is a great neighborhood, a lot of people banding together. and i'm going to show you the work that they've done so far today. come over here and take a look. the things that are damaged and they've replaced aren't just things you can go down to the hardware store and pick up like a washing machine. it's also family heirlooms. take a look here, a homemade dollhouse that's been damaged in the flood. we're also seeing photographs and pictures, fush. they're spraying off everything, they're seeing exactly what can be saved. for some people, it's not a lot. for others, it seems like they got lucky. flood waters still receding here in these neighborhoods, but i'll show you exactly what the power of water can do. come inside with me to this home and we're going to start here, just in the dining room, or what was the dining room here, which is now, as you can see, covered in mud, completely in here, a rug ruined and the water line

visible along the walls. you can see it came up about a foot and a half. if you come in here to the living room and the kitchen area, more mud, more damaged furniture. but take a look at that fireplace. it's now a window to the outside. the side of the house, just sheared off. a television hanging with another large now window to the outside. and here's what really shows the power of this water. not only did it crack this tile, it also cracked the cement underneath. the floor has dropped several feet and a layer of mud on top of it all. luckily, the good news is this entire family was able to get to safety. we are told that the mother, a child, and a dog were actually on a paddleboard taken out into the lake where they were rescued by a neighborhood. greg, another example of what people are dealing with and how long this recovery is really going to be, to get an idea of that once you're in these homes.

>> reporter: sarah dollof there with an eye-opening look at a house that is a stone's throw from where we stand. and what you just saw there, unfortunately, that's how a lot of the houses look right now in columbia. i've walked in eight or ten of them myself and that's the scene. sarah, thank you so much for that report. i want to bring in representative james smith right now. representative smith, you've lived in columbia my entire life. >> that's exactly right. and we're glad to have you back, wish it were different circumstances. >> reporter: yeah, i always wish it were under better circumstances. as i was just saying to mayor benjamin a few moments ago, it really is striking that as bad as it is, that it wasn't worse than what we're seeing right now. to what can we attribute that? >> absolutely the people of this city. south carolinians, they took an initiative. at the moment that the water started to rise, you're right, we would be dealing with far more fatalities, but it was neighboring knocking on neighbors' doors and then getting in their jon boats and often getting neighbors out of

the second story. we're hearing story after story, before first responders even had time to get there, because of how quick the water moved, they took the initiative and saved so many lives. and it really is just a testament of this great community and the people that live in it. >> we keep hearing that a lot of the folks who have been affected by this did not have flood insurance, did not have sufficient flood insurance. what can you say to them? >> well, how do you build for a thousand-year event. it's not surprising that many citizens wouldn't have flood insurance, because it's never anticipated. i think right now, we're going to make sure that everybody's filing a good protocol to account for all their inventory. the spirit, i've been in many homes today, helping to carry out carpets with a crew that we put together and working with our friends and getting an accurate account of what the losses is. and then we're going to advocate. and we appreciate your presence here. it's going to help us make the case and continue to get additional support for the losses here. >> reporter: as we're having this conversation, i see a kid and another kid walking by with a pizza and some drinks. and that's another scene we've

seen throughout the afternoon. seen a number of folks bringing out some bud light, too. >> absolutely. >> reporter: james, we've been talking about columbia, because that's where we are. i heard from congressman clyburn earlier today that rural areas are even worse. have you heard, have you seen anything, calhoun county -- this is an event that's affecting our entire state and it's going to take all of us pulling together. and it has been harder to reach some of the more rural areas, but everybody's working together. and what i love to see, and what we've seen is, top to bottom, state through local and neighbor taking an initiative and making sure that the resources are there. so we're working constantly to make sure that's there. >> once people start to rebuild and get back on their feet, they are going to start to be some questions about the infrastructure. there are going to be some questions about the dams. what can you say to those? >> well, sure, and i think there

should be. we should always look after an event like this, how we can do better. not just the infrastructure, make sure -- we've had work to do on the roads for a long time. >> and there has, a transportation bill languishing in the general assembly in your state for a very long time. you and your colleagues have really dropped the ball on that. >> yes, it's long, long overdue. it's pending in the senate right now and i hope the senators are paying attention and get this done. that'll need to be there coming in the future. and we'll work with first responders, always to look back and see how we can do things better. but i can tell you, i can see a lot of things that are being done right. but we always want to work and get better. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> good to see state lawmakers there in the houses ripping up carpet. >> they're our friends. >> that is constituent service. always good to see you, james. you know, ayman, i'll send it back to you, but before i do, again, i want to note, if you really think about the size of the state of south carolina, in relationship to other states, this is a state that has dealt with a lot this year. we're talking, you know, the church shooting down in charleston, that, of course, was

the officer-involved shooting there, excuse me, not the officer-involved shooting there, the walter scott shooting there in north charleston, and now there's been a great deal of anguish and despair in the palmetto state this year, but there has also been a lot of what we've been seeing over the past three hours, folks helping each other out, family members, friends, just random strangers engaging in acts of kindness. that defines this state that i'm from, south carolina. so, we'll share some more thoughts a little later in the broadcast, but i know there's a lot of other news that's happened around the country today. i'll send it back to you, my friend. >> craig, from where i sit, if there's one thing i can see, south carolina has definitely demonstrated over the course of the last several months, it is resilience. please give our best to all the folks down there and give our best to your mother. glad to hear she's doing well. and if there is any silver lining in any of this, it is to hear the response from the mayor and the representative, that the response from the state and

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about this. how big of a recall is this? how concerned should parents and people who have these cheerios be right now? >> ayman, in order to answer that question, you need to understand the three categories of what we will call either wheat allergy or gluten sensitivity. on the one extreme, you have coeliac's disease, which is basically your body has an immune reaction to gluten, it causes malabsorption and destroys the lining of the small intestine. in the middle, let's say you have something called gluten sensitivity, you have abdominal discomfort and fatigue, but you don't have true coeliac's disease and you don't have an allergy. the people i would be concerned about are the ones that have a wheat allergy. it's very different. allergy is allergies, they can get hives and itching or an anaphylactic or fatal reaction to exposure to wheat. >> do we have any idea in terms of the sizes of these populations? 2 million sounds like a pretty

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moore, national columnist for sports onner.com and luke russert. terence, this industry is booming. we mentioned it's a $1 billion industry. how badly do you think this is going to go over for them, if it appears that these games are rigged and that some of these allegations may be true? >> well, actually, the big question is, what are these sports leagues going to do about this? because right now when it comes to the national football league, major league baseball and other entities, this is going to be their great satan. and that's because these sports re leagues, these fantasy leagues are trying to make us believe that this is more skill instead of gambling. it's gambling. and gambling is bad funews whent comes to sports. and it goes beyond the 1919 black sox scandal that everyone knows about that nearly kill kd baseball. back in the 1950s, you had a couple of gambling scandals for college basketball that was not good. 1960s, you had alex cares with

and paul horning that were suspended by the national football league. and in the nba, you had that referee that went to prison because of point spread. this is one of those things that could be the edge of an iceberg that we have no idea where it's going to end up. the "titanic" or worse. >> luke, one of the biggest issues here is the lack of regulation. these industries are operating in very unregulated waters, if you can use that expression. we're now starting to hear from some of the lawmakers about this. take a listen to this. >> now nef insidthey have insid are using inside information to make a buck individually. it's unbelievable what's going on. there has to be some oversight. there has to be some regulation. >> it also should be a warning shot to everybody that online gaming is a real scary thing and we better look at all of it. >> so listen, luke, you're on capitol hill a lot, what are you hearing down there? do you expect any action on regulating this industry? >> oh, certainly. i think there is bipartisan

concern about draft kings and fan duel and what they have done to manipulate the market regarding this in the recent months. look, a few years ago, congress moved to outlaw online poker and most of online gaming. and the specific loophole that draft kings and fan duel use is this idea, well, our games are strictly luck, because it's the -- because someone could pick those players. and that is the area where you'll see pallone and reid and these other individuals who are upset by this trying to close this down. i think it's just a matter of time. i want to go back to a point that you guys were just talking about, because before i was a reporter, i was a sports talk show radio host for a while and i enjoyed talking about these types of issues. the hypocrisy of the nfl on this knows no bounds. you have the nfl, the nba, all these sports leagues that sued the state of new jersey to prohibit atlantic city from getting a sports book, turn around and are in partnership of fan duel and draft kings, in what is essentially gambling.

so, i agree, i think this is the tip of the iceberg. and it's no coincidence that frank pallone from new jersey, they're going to look at this and say to the sports league, a lot of you have anti-trust laws, what is going on here? why are you allowed to do this, when you won't allow atlantic city to have a sports book? i think it's the beginning of the beginning, a lot of the reason why people even pay attention to a game about the jacksonville jaguar versus the lions in weak 14 is for fantasy and gambling purposes. they have to look at this more seriously. >> luke, stay with us for a second. terence, that's a good point that luke just brought up. really quickly, do you know if the nfl and some of these other professional sports leagues are actually making money off of these fantasy football leagues? >> let's put this in perspective here. in the national football league, you have a lot of teams who are

using these sports leagues -- they're getting big money from them, from an advertising point of view. i'm here in atlanta, georgia, and the atlanta falcons are building a new stadium in 2017, and one of the big selling points, besides the fact they're saying that ewe're going to hav vibrating seats, is that they're going to have a fantasy football lounge. think about that. this tells you how much in bed these sports leagues are with these fantasy leagues. >> luke, let me ask you this. you brought up the issue of gambling. vox explains it this way. most online gambling was outlawed in 2006, but there was an exception made for fantasy sports. in fact, fantasy leagues are the only form of sports bething that's legally available to most americans. so will this take us to a bigger discussion about how we define online gambling, and is there any concern from a regular their point of view that these companies can move offshore, so to speak? >> well, if they move offshore, i believe, if i'm correct, that

they are not allowed to operate illegally. i know a lot of people who have lost money because of that, when those companies do go offshore. i think what you're going to see is this loophole about fantasy sports clearly looked eed at congress by some capacity. whether hearings bill pallone, harry reid wanting to get involved. but you have all of these sports leagues involved in this, but you also have them turn around and say, hey, we don't want legalized gambling, because we think it could unfairly impact what goes on on the field, on the court, et cetera. the commissioner of the nba says, we need to look past that. other countries have legalized gambling, it's fine, it puts them out in the open, and we're to the going to pay bookibookie. >> thank you very much, luke russert and terence moore for breaking that down for us. we'll be following that as well in the coming days. still to come, more on those deadly floods in the southeast. we'll give you the latest details on the areas that are

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with just one week before the first democratic presidential debate, hillary clinton is out with a new campaign ad, and it stars republican house leader, majority leader, that is, kevin mccarthy, and his comments that the house benghazi investigation were started out to hurt clinton. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee. what are her numbers today? >> republicans have spent millions attacking hillary, because she's fighting for everything they oppose. from affordable health care to equal pay. she'll never stop fighting for you and the republicans know it. >> after the ad's release, majority leader mccarthy put out this statement. "the mission of the select committee on benghazi is to find the truth, period. the serious questions secretary clinton faces are due entirely to her own decision to put classified information at risk and endanger our national security." joining me now is former pennsylvania governor, ed rendell. he's also an nbc news political

analyst. so, governor, i got to ask you right off the bat, what does the clinton campaign hope to get out of this particular ad? >> well, i think, first and foremost, it proves the contention all along that this was a political witch hunt. remember, there have been seven previous congressional committees that have looked at benghazi and a blue ribbon committee headed by a former chief -- head of the joint chiefs of staff, and eight of those investigations found no wrongdoing on anybody's part, including secretary clinton. so this has always been contended by the clinton folks to be a political witch hunt and congressman mccarthy just proved it, lock, stock, and barrel, no doubt, anymore. >> democratic congresswoman louise lauder is putting forward an amendment tonight to abolish the benghazi committee. her office says, quote, it's the first official action we'll see on the matter and the first time members will be put on the matter after mccarthy's statement. is she trying to shame republicans here who vote to keep the committee alive? >> sure, and she's trying to

keep this issue alive, was it's a great issue for democrats in general and for hillary. and what other benefit, ayman, to the clinton campaign, is it reinforces the idea that the republicans fear hillary clinton the most. and if you're a democratic primary voter, that's an important message for you to absorb. >> hillary clinton herself spoke out about congressman mccarthy's comments earlier this week. i want to play that sound bite for you. take a listen. >> this committee was set up, as they have admitted, for the purpose of making a partisan political issue out of the deaths of four americans. i would have never done that. and if i were president and there were republicans or democrats who were thinking about that, i would have done everything to shut it down. >> so i got a two-part question for you, governor. one, hillary clinton's poll numbers have fallen, but could mccarthy comments help reverse that, especially before the first debate, and are we going to see that particular sound bite from kevin mccarthy, from the house majority leader, played over and over throughout hillary clinton's campaign going

forward? >> well, we're going to see it a lot, particularly if the republicans try to make an issue out of benghazi. but i have a prediction for you, ayman. after hillary clinton gets finished testifying later on in october, benghazi will be put to rest. >> all right. and you just brought that up, which i wanted to talk to you about that. she's set to testify before the benghazi committee later in october, october 22nd, to be precise. if she does well, how could that affect the race in 2016? >> oh, i think it, again, gives her a boost in the primaries and takes the issue off the table for the general election, if she becomes the nominee. >> and kevin mccarthy is running to be the speaker of the house, but is also facing a challenge from jason chaffetz. i was curious to see if you think congressman chaffetz could successfully pull off that run? >> it's pretty hard. kevin mccarthy has been dealing with most of thesis house members, he's done individual things for them, to benefit them, he's got a lot of ious out

there. but there is real anger among republicans, because he blew it by telling the truth. i mean, is there anybody out there listening to us that doesn't think that the sole purpose of this eighth congressional committee was to embarrass secretary clinton? of course not. he told the truth, but that's verboten when it comes to this kind of hardball politics and he did it. >> always a pleasure to have you on. >> thanks, ayman. still ahead, more on those devastating floods in the southeast. some areas are still in danger. we'll go live back to south carolina for the very ratest.

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but what i want everyone to remember is, this is a time of faith, this is a time of strength, and this is a time of taking care of each other. and neighbors taking care of neighbors. and if we do that, we will come out of this better than we have before. >> our very own nbc's craig melvin, a native from south carolina, knows that community better than anyone else, probably, down there. craig, talk to us a little bit about that community and how they're all doing. >> you know, every time i come down, i'm proud. and, you know, it's a shame, because i feel like i have been down here a number of times over the past several months for numerous tragedies and disasters, but i am always hardened by the response of the people of south carolina. i'm standing in a driveway here, the haileys live here, and i say live, because they are planning to return, like everyone else we've talked to on this street here in columbia. i want to show you a picture o of what this house looked like sunday morning. just to give you a sense of what they were dealing with. the car that you see in that

picture right now is the same car that i am leaning against right now. that is how high the water was here. this car, as you might imagine, a completely loss, as is the case with most of the vehicles along the way. and you open the doors of these vehicles that have been sitting now for a couple of days and the stench of the mold and the mildew can really take you aback. you look at some of the other belongings, refrigerators, chairs, lamps, beds, sofas, dining room tables, clothes, this is the scene up and down this particular street. but not just this particular street, this is the case all over columbia, the surrounding areas, as well. we should note, and i think we made this point earlier, we should note, some of the areas that have not been getting a lot of attention, some of the more rural areas, that's the case because we can't get our cameras there. this is a growing concern here. there's one of these in just about every yard, these sinkholes. this is one of the smaller ones. i talked to a city official

earlier, this is something that they're keeping an eye on over the next few days, because that obviously is a sign that there are some infrastructure troubles, bridges, roads whereby some of them being reopened right now. many of them still impassable. this is a mailbox. and we've talked about this mailbox earlier, because it very well may have saved a little boy's life. there's a 12-year-old kid who lived here and when the water started rising sunday morning, they rushed out, they got out as fast as they -- they didn't worry about grabbing stuff. and something happened out here, and he had to hold on to this mailbox and it's leaning like this, because that's how strong the water was here. and if you look just up and down this street, you'll see people, some folks across the way here. i'm not going to point her out, but my high school biology teacher is across the street. she doesn't live in this neighborhood, but she's just one of the folks that showed up to help a friend, my man. because that's what we do here in south carolina, when tragedy

and disaster strikes, we come together, ayman mohyeldin. >> craig, we're very happy to see that the community is coming together. a tremendous amount of resilience, as well as the heartache for all those families down there who have lost so much. but our hearts and families go out to everyone and especially to you and your family, craig. thanks for being with us. that's it for me this hour. thanks for watching "msnbc live." i'm ayman mohyeldin. "hardball" starts right now. hillary tried rescuing ambassador stevens, so why didn't we know it? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. in an all-out counterattack, hillary blames republicans for pushing benghazi to beat her, which a top republican now