it's how edward jones makes sense of investing. it's become clear to me that this prolonged leadership turmoil would do irrepresent pashl harm to the institution so this morning i inform my

colleagues i would resign from the speakership and resign from congress at the end of october. i think kevin mccarthy would make an excellent speaker. >> i will stay on as majority leader. if we're going to be unite and be strong, we need a new face to help do that. >> john boehner who is zpiesed by many will stay on but for how long. >> just when i thought i was out, they pull me back in. >> and that's happening. >> it's friday october 9th. john lennon's birthday. the republican party falling to pieces. with us this morning to talk about it, managing editor marc hallprin and brandon deutsche. >> who wants to hang out with a

branding expert? and johnathan kapart. these are titles, donnie. associate editor of the washington post, nbc correspondent luke russert and reporter por -- for "the washington post" elise veback. luke russert has been covering this for some time. i thought i cover chaos. we ran newt out of town. livingston becomes speaker, he starts to give us his first speech, and he's out. we thought all around good guy, we thought at the time, denny

hassert becomes speaker and that was chaos. at least we had an agenda. "the washington post" talks about a vacuum at the top of the gop. this is a party in absolute anarchy right now. what can you give us up to date right now? >> that's what i'm hearing from the rank and file in the conference. i've heard that we're a ship without a leader and it's very problematic and increasingly so because put this not only in the context of the presidential election but also in this idea of can republicans lead? if they can't run their own house, how are they supposed to run the country in any capacity, it also makes mitch mcconnell's job so much further or not big issues like the debt limit and funding the government. what was so fascinating is that kevin mccarthy at 8:00 a.m. give

everyone every indication that he's going to move forward to run for the speaker and then he changes it. >> what happened in the four hours? >> you know, we had our conference and there's calls into the district. i don't want making voting for speaker a tough one. i don't want to go to the floor and win with 220 votes. i think the best thing for our party right now is that you have 247 votes on the floor. if we're going to be strong, we got to be 100% united. >> how surprised were you by mccarthy going for it all? >> i thought he was going to get the job. i thought -- watch yourselves, guys. thank you. i was surprised. >> you thought it was a done deal? >> i was very shocked. this is not the time and place

to have those conversations. >> ryan says that's not the time and place, all eyes are on at him at 9:00 a.m. at the gop conference meeting, he will stand up and say yes, no, or maybe and until he makes a firm decision, everything is sort of frozen in place. when i asked mccarthy what changed between 8:00 and 12:00, apparently it was the pressure that a lot of his fellow conservatives were getting from back home. a number of them say their phone lines blew up. you can't elect mcboehner. this is boehner 2.0. he realized he had a tough sledding ahead if he took the job. >> your prediction, dead wrong. you told me he would not make

it. all eyes have to turn on paul ryan right now. i know paul doesn't want to do it. there are a thousand reasons he doesn't want to do it. these are one of those moments, i don't want to be melodramatic talking about a man or woman having to step up. this is a unique time and place for a republican party that's lost five of the last six presidential elections in the popular vote. they are back on their heels right now, losing a presidency in 2016 because of chaos on the hill and a close election that could happen, could be devastating. i don't think paul ryan has any choice if he cares about the conservative movement, the republican party and the future of this country as he sees it, but to jump in the race and run. how does he stay away? >> he has the job he wants.

it means flying to florida and other places. it's not the job that paul ryan wants. if trying to convince him if it's possible, will involve a huge deal where boehner stays long enough to solve all these short-term problems. they give him a deputy to fund raise and deal with the other members. i don't think that deal is possible. while there will be lots of focus on lieian -- ryan. all these quotes of members saying only paul ryan can do it, he's the only one, that puts a lot of pressure on the person who becomes speaker. >> let me just say only paul ryan can do it right now at this place in time right now, only paul ryan can do it. there's this belief that conservatives, not just conservatives, the ultra conservatives, the people sitting in the seats where i was sitting in '95 to 2001 will only

take a hard right wing leader that refuses to go along with anything. that's not the case. a lot of it has to do with do you trust the leader, do they share your values and ultimate goals? can they convince you we have to tack a little bit in the wind instead of taking the vote straightforward, paul ryan can do it. nobody else i can think of. >> the keyword you use is trust. there was an interview with congress yesterday, i was driving back from taking my mom to the doctor and i was listening to ms nbc. this person said kevin mccarthy was unacceptable because he was too close to boehner. he was considered establishment. he was considered somebody who wouldn't do what conservatives wanted, conservative house members wanted, and so if paul ryan can be that person who has

all those attributes that you talked about, you know, god speed for him. but the other thing i'm surprised you didn't mention, mark, is paul ryan's potential presidential am ambitions. if he wants to run for president in '20 or '24, does he want to be shackled to that caucus right now. >> let me answer that question, the answer to that is a definitive yes, paul ryan ran to be the number two person in america, a position with very little power. this is number three, and it actually has an awful lot of power. i want to get back to trust, donny, i know you've been in business deals before and you've had partners teamed up in business deals. if there's one person that you know, you don't trust that much and trust their business acue men and they tell you to take a bad deal because it's in the long term it's good for your company, you tell them know,

they tell you the deal looks bad right now, trust me, we got to swallow this blank right now, we'll do it and you'll com out stronger the other side. i like john boehner. if john boehner said to me take the bad vote, i would smile and say i would consider it that's because he was newt's boy. if john chadding came to me and said to me, hey, joe, listen this is a really bad deal, but i'm going to do it, and i think you should do it too, boom, i would do it because i trust john chadic. that's what you have with paul ryan that you will never have with kevin mccarthy and a lot of these other people on the leadership track. >> two discussions.

ryan is in a tough position. one way a win-win, another way lose-lose. he takes this job, it's a suckier job. if he doesn't take the job, wait a second, you are not a leader. this is your call to arms, you didn't step in. the bigger discussion is right now the republican party is just a gang who couldn't shoot straight. say what you want about hillary clinton, her issues, she still is a candidate with gravitas. she's still a candidate. you have the republican party with a ship of fools other than trump who like him or not seems to be going in a certain direction and now this on the house side and i've never seen this party in such disarray. >> let me read what karen tumlee writes. we'll put it back up. that are driving, what's happening is i'm pointing at the screen, waiting for something to come up and it's -- karen writes

this for "the washington post." less than a year after sweeping electoral triumph, republicans are on the verge of seizing to function as a national political party. richard haas, i roll my eyes because that's what they said about the republicans after president obama got elected. but now i'm saying this, we are one year away from losing control of the supreme court and the federal bureaucracy for a generation. if we lose top hillary and we give up another eight years, after an eight year run of barack obama, as a conservative we lose, the bureaucracy, the supreme court, the agenda for a generation. >> agreed. >> this is crunch time. the liberal media has been whining this way for years. now, guess what? it's real. and it looks like chaos in my

party. >> it does look like chaos. let me give a slightly different take. look at what congress has to deal with it. it will probably have to vote on a major trade agreement for a generation. whether the united states can be predictable and competent. we've got the debt ceiling vote coming up. any other pieces of legislation, you look at what's going on in the middle east. look at the refugee crisis in europe and there's juxtaposition between the demands coming the from the in box from the world and what washington looks like and it's hard to imagine a time when the gap between the two looked larger. that's scary. >> let's bring it right now from capitol hill, republican congressman darrel ied isop from california. let me ask you: can somebody line you convince the 2015 version of me that you can be in the establishment, but can also speak to what conservatives,

small government conservatives really want and that is a battle on some of these massive spending bills that always seem to pass? >> well, joe, i want to take a personal liberty for a moment and say i didn't serve with newt but i did serve with john chad dick. i had the same view, if he told me this is tough, but we will do it, we would do it. the fact is i can potentially be a candidate but at the same time i agree with the vast majority of members i think that we need a paul ryan or we need somebody who is a experienced, b, has been a committee chairman or something other than just up through the leadership ranks. we very definitely need to pick our fights carefully but we need somebody who is willing to do those fights when the time comes because the motion of our party has been to the right. the new members, the members since 2010, they are more conservative, more interested in real fiscal reform, and they

have been denied by the k street if you will influence, the ability to actually get votes that were fiscally responsible. we've had some tough votes, the cure act, popular, so far, we gave away $14 million with a fake pay for it. we've been dealing with leadership telling us to do something because it was popular rather than doing what the american people asked us to do when they swept us back into the majority after we had lost it for good cause. >> we have elise from "the washington post." she's got a question for you. >> hey, congressman, thanks for coming on the show. if you jump into the speakers race, you will be running against jason chaffetz who took your position as chair of the house oversight committee. i'm curious how he's doing in that role, and do you have any criticisms? >> he got his job by going to

boehner and saying he would shut down that ran corps that was going on. he would go along, get along and he's done that. he put shining pictures of utah on the wall and he basically stopped doing it. there hasn't been a single committee report or staff report published since he's been chairman. the fact is he's a good guy, but whatever he was as a freshman, when he was a fighter on our committee, when he was trying to hold government accountable, he took a break from that and i think that's going to hurt him not whether i get in the race or not. it already hurt him. he didn't have 30 votes going into the race. i don't think he's going to get the 240, but let's understand something. i would not have the hubris to determine whether i'm the 240 candidate or paul ryan. this is something where the conference has to dig deep. this is they have to ask a question who they can be behind. the conference really has to look hard not for who has got

the most whips calling but who really can make a difference beyond 218 because the day after you are speaker you have to make hard decisions and you have to be able to go to people and say i promise you i will bring up your issue, but i need you to do this for me now, and you've got to keep those promises and that was one of the areas that boehner ran out of the ability to get people to say yes to. >> let's bring in gene robinson. he's got a question. congressman, doesn't the conference right now need a leader who will tell the truth to the freedom caucus and others and say, look, we don't -- our party doesn't have 60 votes in the senate, our party doesn't have the white house and therefore we cannot impose our will just from the house of representatives? doesn't that truth need to be told and brought home? >> that truth has been told. but let's break the truth down into a smaller bite.

the freedom caucus isn't say shut down the government, they are not saying my way, or the highway, those members, my best members, my most aggressive members on the oversight committee, what they are saying is $2.4 trillion of spending condition we get a few bites at the apple every time there's a tough vote. can't you at least come up with something? they have got their list. they have made their budgets. jim jordan and many of the other members, these are thoughtful legislators and it can't be vote for this that increases spending vote for this one that has everything the president wants and when we get a president, we'll do something different. i served with a republican house, senate, and president, the one thing i know is when you delay waiting for the perfect

storm, you will delay past your lifetime. only the democrats have gotten a super majority in the senate, the house, and the president at least in my lifetime. >> thank you so much for being with us. greatly appreciate it. there's something else missing too, mark halperin. we talked about needing conservative, needing a speaker who can speak, very important, but also there's been a lack of strategic thinking and i want to explain this to a lot of people who don't understand why the freedom caulk cause is to frustrated, it's not that they won't go along, it's not that we wouldn't go along when we were asked to make tough votes. but it was always just capitulate and you could see a problem coming three or four months ahead of time and every time bill clinton would back us into the corner and we would

capitulate, there was no strategic thinking and it's the same thing. you've seen it with boehner. you look at mccarthy. mccarthy is not a strategic thinker. i'm sorry, he's many things but he's not a strategic thinker and i do think that's one thing that kind of gets missed in a lot of the coverage of the freedom caucuses, okay, we'll take it this time and the next time and the next time, but let's have a plan to actually get some of our agenda pushed forward because we have the largest republican majority since1929 and at some point you've got to stop telling us that we just have to capitulate to harry reid, mitch mcconnell and barack obama. >> it's push the agenda for but it's also do what george mitchell did up to the '92 election, use your majority to sharpen the contrast on issues where the voters agree with you more than with the incumbent in the white house. that's why you need a strategic person as speaker to say what

incremental advances can we make and shape the agenda and shape the landscape for our presidential nominee. that's what this chaos is hurting. let me bring up an issue, donny deutsche in polite society you shouldn't bring up. planned parenthood. i don't think it should be funded by the federal government. i don't think there's a chinese wall. you give this organization that provides more abortions. you can say that this money is not going, but any way, so we can have a disagreement over that. john boehner and the republican caucus allowed this to be set up if the republicans don't fund ploond parenthood 100% they are shutting down the government when in fact it had been barack obama that had been vetoing it. you send a bill over. let him veto it and you come back and figure out to meet halfway to make sure there is

more of a nuanced reasoned approach, we figure out a way to move past some abuses that may be going on with planned parenthood. it never gets there. the strategic thinking, it never gets there. the republican agenda is always defined by a media who is generally hostile to white conservative members in the republican party want to do. it's maddening to me going back to strategic thinking. this isn't about ideology, this is about being smart and figuring out doing exactly what you were doing. this is what democrats were great at doing. set the other side up to make really bad uncomfortable votes. and these guys who just suck up to people on k street and go golfing and go out drinking with them at night and have a good time, i'm sorry, that's what they do, and kind of good time charlies as my mom used to call them, they are not sitting around in the speakers office at 1:00 in the mrng nike -- like

newt gingrich. >> you and i could disagree for hours about planned parenthood and where the money goes. that's another show. >> if we had a debate about it, i could get 50% of americans to agree with me, the debate never happens because the republicans on the hill don't know how to do it. >> i want to ask everybody around this table and i don't have an answer to it, it shows the pathetic vacuum of their bench, if not paul ryan, then who? if donald trump is not the candidate, tell me who those two leaders of the republican party are. >> you think i'm going to bench. >> give me two names. i don't know them. >> let me say marco rubio a guy that i say right now is not ready to be president of the united states, he's 43 years

old. extraordinarily articulate, he's hispanic, give him a few years. marco rubio is going to be an incredible. ted cruz down the road. >> you got two slots to fill. >> you are talking right now. >> speaker of the house, presidential candidate, give me two viable guys right now. there is a complete vacuum. there is nobody home. >> i could not disagree with you more. i think the republican bench is extraordinary. >> fill those two spots. >> first of all. >> other than paul ryan. >> go ahead, jonathan. do you have an answer? >> i want to bring the conversation back to -- >> then i have an answer. you have jeb bush -- >> 7% of the republican party right now. >> look at where we are right now, and you look at a lot of people out there who are very competent. with democrats you have a

69-year-old and a 72-year-old. >> you have the czar of the republican house, give me the best candidate. >> the best candidate, if we're not talking -- if we're talking about people that have grown up in the party, i think the best candidates that can beat jeb bush right now, well, hell, there's so many that can beat hillary clinton right now, jeb bush would beat hillary clinton in a general election, marco rubio, a criesing -- rising chris christie that is getting better by the day, i could go on and on with that. with democrats, we were talking about how the democratic party has been hollowed out and you got 69-year-olds and 74-year-olds wanting to run for president because they all lost

in 2014. >> here's what i wanted to get back to. i like what you said about strategic thinking and i think the republican party has a problem today that it didn't have when you were there. one, right now as you said the leaders don't think strategically. they are not sitting in the speakers office at 1:00 in the morning trying to chess game it out. you also have a problem of members who don't want to be led. you have a lot of people who come into congress since 2010 who are all about let's go to washington, let's cut, let's stop, let's shut down. for instance, let's defund obamacare, let's repeal obamacare. we've got all these veets on repeal, in terms of agenda, there's been no what comes next. >> this is the difference between then and now. then, we had 3, 4, 5 great alternatives to hillary care. today, there are really none that the whole party can get behind, and elise, the thing is,

if i had come in 2010 or 2014, as much as i like john boehner, if he came in as a red hot like i was when i got elected, i wouldn't follow john boehner. i don't mean to be negative about it, but john, you know, john loves golfing with lobbyists. i could go down the long list. john does all the things, you know, dorks like me, we work in our office around the clock, and then we would go down to t tortilla coast and talk about policy and go back to our office and go to sleep. a lot of these leaders were hanging out at k street congressional golf, talking about their golf outings. >> maybe one of the difference is that they actually sleep in their office. they never leave. >> i actually slept in my office. >> i think jonathan makes a great point and that's respect

for the institution of the house and for the position of speaker has massively declined since the 2010 class was elected. these aren't people who want to be led just like he said. these aren't people -- and frankly, i don't think paul ryan is the band aid that everyone says he is because they still have an extremely tough fall with important lthtive -- legislative deadlines just because paul ryan might become speaker isn't going to make it easier. >> we're way over. alex is passing out right now. he wants paul ryan to come in and lead the timing on this show. maybe i'll listen to paul. thank you so much. we've got a lot more on this race for house speaker this morning, from practically the entire republican caucus is going to be here. plus, donald trump is going to be joining us, following another one of his epic rallies in las

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we're following breaking news right now out of arizona. four people were shot at northern arizona university campus in flagstaff early this morning. the school's police department says one of those people was killed, three were wounded. the suspected shooter is in custody and three victims are being treated at flagstaff medical center. we will be following this story for developments. it happened, i guess, overnight, and let's go right now to the other news that we were talking about before the break, donald trump. he traveled to las vegas yesterday bringing with him his message of making america great again. talking for more than an hour. he noted the fact that he didn't get enough coverage about his crowd size. saying he draws larger crowds than bernie sanders. trump also claimed a photo of him on "people" "magazine was

unflattering. lead to go this moment. i love people magazine. the story was nice, i didn't like what they did, they screwed around -- just leave me alone. but melania, baron looked good, i looked like hell. i have a feeling they pick the picture. there it is. come here. [ cheers and applause ] >> where are you from? >> i'm from columbia! >> and is this a set up? did i ever meet you before? >> i'm hispanic and i vote for mr. trump! we vote for mr. trump! yes, mr. trump! we love you! we love you sclmple all the way to the white house. >> tah-dah dah. >> it's the greatest show.

>> likely commerce secretary in the first term. >> it was the price is right. >> it's the greatest show on earth. it really is. trump didn't shy away from calling out his opponents one by one, but he saved his most blistering attacks for two people he probably is most concerned about, carly fiorina and a rising marco rubio. >> remember the response on live television to the president's state of the union speech. they pick him because he's a young rising star and he's talking and he's sweating, sweating, sweating; and i'm watching, i'm saying is he going to be okay, you know, and he's sweating, and he keeps sweating, and the water is pouring down all over, and finally he goes -- and i said was that live television? then i attacked carly's record because her record running a business is a disaster, but she's got that good pitter

patter, like a machine gun. if you listen for ten minutes, you get a headache. you get a headache. the press loves her. they love her. i see these polls i'm at 29 and she's at 6, and here's the headline, carly is surging. i'm at 29. surnling? i can't get enough. >> i can't get enough. >> we good to the clip and i'm thinking, donald, what are you doing? he gets halfway doing and you can't help but start laughing, but it leads to what richard haas, you say, i talked about us going out, mika and i go out to dinner with somebody very high up in the white house. we talk about a thousand different things the last time we went out. we talk about donald trump for an hour and a half. as we got up, this top white house 'd says -- aide says you've been having dinners for years, we've never had one topic of conversation. we spoke for an hour and a half about donald trump, and you say that's a phenomenon across the world, with world leaders.

>> i spent the last week in turkey and germany and each one of these countries is sinking under the weight of millions of refugees, economic problems, violence, you name it, yet topic number one when people got a chance to ask me questions was about donald trump. they are watching the american debates. they are watching the entire american political process unfold. they have no idea what to make of it and they have no idea where it's going, but the rest of the world is trans fixed. this is like the american telenovella. it is the soap oppose per ra that they are tuning into. >> let's where i in kristen, you look at trump, the crowds are getting bigger, it's horrifying the republican establishment. you look at the headlines of the washington post, chaos, headlines of the boston globe, no speaker in place, you look at the headlines of the wall street journal, house gop leadership in turmoil, not a really good

morning for the gop establishment in washington, d.c. >> it's a pretty rough day if you are somebody who thinks that the republican party is best positioned to run the country because you've now got anybody who is not sort of a diehard republican, even a lot of diehard republicans going what is this party all about? at least in 2010, when john boehner was first brought into the speakership, they were kind of running on this theme of where are the jobs, right? they had some kind of common theme. you didn't have a presidential nominee but you did have this kind of leader who had a theme when they were saying this is why you should vote us into the majority in congress. we've sort of lost that and in the absence of a presidential nominee, it has been kind of rudderless thing at least on the democratic side. you have hillary clinton who is the presumed frontrunner at this point even though bernie sanders is pretty strong and joe biden is still looming out there, but you have a theme around this is what the democratic party is about, and are for republicans,

there is sort of a seemingly unending list of different things that each individual member and candidate is about, and so there is no theme. is limited government the theme? i don't know. it cultural, preserving american culture is that the theme, that's certainly what donald trump taps into it, but there is no agreement what is the republican party about. >> there is not a unifying theme, donny, there hasn't been a unifying theme. the only unifying theme has been barack obama, bad, and i'm not being facetious. you don't turn america around running against a president. >> i want to put this against a backdrop of this show for the first 38 minutes. we spent, and this is the issue with the republican party. we spent 30 minutes in compressing -- depressing the black hole, there's nobody from the speaker and the mccarthy story. then we go to trump and all of a sudden, it's escapism. it's funny, it's silly. a hispanic woman jumping up and down. he's making jokes.

what trump is beyond the obvious great performer is the ultimate escapism from the dank darkness of the republican party. >> again, everybody around this table was laughing. >> laughing. >> and smiling. >> it's advisvisceral reaction. >> you compare this with this picture, it looks like they are at a funeral and it's looked that way for the past ten years on capitol hill with the republicans. >> what's about to focus the mind is the need to raise the debt ceiling and the need to keep the government from shutting down. >> focus the mind but do voters react with that left brain that way. >> they don't. do you suspect that's why john boehner will stay? >> i think he's got to at this point. stay with us. still ahead the frontrunner donald trump joins us live and also republican presidential candidate lindsey graham will

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i think it's pretty obvious that all members of the delegation of the conference were shocked. >> i think a lot of people were shocked. >> i was absolutely stunned, surprised, and shocked that this happened. >> i was very shocked. he told mel right before. >> i think i shocked some of you, huh? >> with us now, capitol hill, republican congressman mick mulvaney. thank you so much for being with us. who is our next speaker going to be? >> i don't know. there's a lot support for daniel webster, and paul by the way is very much bei. >> there's a no, and hell no. let me ask you, do you have the

trust with the guy like paul ryan that if paul came to you and said listen i don't like this vote, you may not like this vote, we'll get them later on, would you trust paul ryan in a situation like that? that's so critical. >> paul has got that relationship with the conservatives. he certainly has the credibility that a lot of other folks might not have. don't dismiss dan webster. i know he's boring. i know he's not very exciting. people don't know who he is, but he's an institutionalist. >> i know dan. dan is a good guy. he's not trump, but he is a good solid guy. >> and he would defend the institution. in fact, the reason the conservatives like him is that he would simply treat us equally. he wouldn't lean our way. he would give us an equal say at the table. that's a lot of what we'll be looking for. we'll be looking by that from everybody. if paul says he's in, that's

what we're going to ask him. just because it's paul ryan, doesn't mean he sails in. he has a lot of credibility but he still has to answer tough questions. >> when i talked to mebeds of the freedom caucus for some time, their problem with john boehner is they are never included, they never have a seat at the table. boehner will make a decision and they will find out in the press while they are walking to hc 5 what the next plan of attack is. >> great way to run a country, isn't it? look, it was a very top-down style management when and eric cantor had the same style. that's not the way the system should work. we need somebody who is going to

reach out to the members. we've got a lot of talent in the congress. probably did when you were here as well and you get really good results when you let that talent filter up. >> a lot of scenarios is that john boehner stays for the foreseeable future for speaker. do you have the confidence that john boehner has the ability to negotiate with the white house on the debt ceiling and the budget? >> no. >> all right. >> congressman, let me get granular here for a moment. is the freedom caucus demanding that the debt ceiling not be raised as a condition of support for whoever the next speaker might be? >> no. we're not. we didn't get to those specific levels. what we got -- what we're talking about as a group is what could we support, what could we support in terms of a debt ceiling. we're talking about entitlement reform, welfare reform, things that might solve the reason we might have to raise the debt

ceiling. >> i want to jump in really quickly here and just to clarify, because you never hear this in the national media, people suggest that -- i voted against raising the debt ceiling, not because i didn't know the debt ceiling at some point had to be raised it was because we never got anything for it, and i couldn't go back to my constituents and say i decided to raise the debt ceiling another trillion dollars, what did you get for it, congressman? can you explain how you are not the shutdown caucus, you don't want to default on the debt, but time it scpiem again you are pushed against the wall, we're over $18 trillion, when i was complaining about it, we were at $5 trillion. up a leader that's going to get something that restrains spending and sticks to spending caps before you do that again. >> i think most members of the house freedom caucus, i don't know everybody's voting record exactly, my guess is the

overwhelming majority has voted to raise the debt ceiling before, i know i did as part of cut, and balance, i know i did as a short-term debt ceiling as part as of the no budget, no pay act. we'll do nothing, we'll do nothing, we'll talk into -- walk into a room two days before and they will say the senate is doing something, there's a bush pac -- push back. there is never been this filtering process of good ideas. it's a bad way to run an organization. as a result, we have bad product. now we get new leaders. >> what do you think the theme for house republicans should be in 2010, john boehner pushed where are the jobs message. you got donald trump now make america great again. what do you think the theme should be for republicans when we don't control the white house and we got to figure out what an

agenda looks like? >> we've got a lot of -- getting back to basics is what we call it as a group. let's focus on what we know we can do. we've got talent. let's focus on tax reform, spending reform, we're going to deal with the debt ceiling. let's talk about welfare reform. these are basic things. a lot of them are not very attractive. they are not sexy, they don't sell on television but the blocking and tackling that congress is supposed to do. we could be really good at that. let us be seen as competent and capable and conservative and i think that's a message we can sell. >> congressman, we greatly appreciate you being here. kristen, thank you so much as well. greatly appreciate it. go gators! and still ahead, we'll be joined by a member of the house republican leadership congressman tom cole. there are calls for tom to make a bid for speakership as well.

also, donald trump is joining the conversation. he's taking some credit for knocking kevin mccarthy out of the speakers race. can he do the same with his white house rivals? we're going to be reading an interesting op-ed on donald and talk to him when we return.

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>> welcome back to "morning joe." what a day yesterday, you look at the headlines, republican house in turmoil is the wall street journal headline. boston globe headline, no speaker in sight and "the new york times," mccarthy withdraws from speaker race. it's chaotic up on capitol hill. what we found the first hour is there's no clear answer in sight right now. paul ryan seems to be a great candidate. paul ryan says he's not going to do it.

you asked one of the top guys in the freedom caucus in the last hour, whether john boehner would be acceptable in the interim, his answer was? >> no. like marcel marceau in a silent movement. >> can anybody succeed at this job is this job right now such given the divisions in the party, is this setting somebody up to fail, whoever it is? >> no, i don't think so. >> you actually think this is a job that can be done? >> i stand as one if you have the right leader, if you have somebody who you don't think it doing the bidding on k street, lobbyists, people they go out and drink with and hang out with, so much has to do with trust. i'm not knocking john boehner, i like him as a person, i can tell you sitting as a seat in these people in the freedom caucus, so much of it has to do with the

person asking me to make a difficult vote. is this person on my side or is this person more interested in staying in power? >> do you think it's personal? >> i think it is personal to john boehner, kevin mccarthy and the type of people that have been leaders there. not people that, you know, i could -- i could name two dozen people that i worked with that were always in the rooms with me, when we put our political careers on the line, and said to newt gingrich, you either keep to your word or pass the tax cuts, you keep to your word and we balance a budget in five, six, seven years, you keep to your word on welfare reform or else we're going to blow the house up and you know what, gingrich knew we were staying together and so he kept -- he was forced to keep to his word. when he stopped keeping to his word and started working with democrats on massive omnibus spending bills, we ran him out of town. >> back to joe's point.

everything is unsolvable until a human shows up. that's what leadership is. the institution is unsolvable until there's a human that solves it. >> that's one of my frustrations, mark. people is saying the presidency has become too big. barack obama is evidence that nobody can be president. that's ridiculous. people have been saying this, as you know, before ronald reagan became president, the presidency is too big, lbj failed, and nixon failed, and ford failed and carter failed. you can't succeed in that job. and ronald reagan came in and oh, yeah, you can do that. >> we've had two straight two p-term presidents. as bad as this and i think the country and the republican party are better off than having kevin mccarthy as speaker. he was not going to be a successful speaker for a variety of reasons s and the fact that

he pulled the plug on such short notice shows you, he's as talented, nice good, good fund-raiser, they need a visionary with a strategy and ability to implement tactics. >> it takes a certain skill set that we've not had as a republican party in some time and that is you need a visionary, you need somebody that can speak well, as jason said on the show. we need a speaker who can speak, and i think most importantly and i'm going to bring in somebody that knows exactly what i'm talking about, you need a tacktician. you need a strategic thinker. let's bring in republican congressman peter king of new york, along with republican congresswoman mimi walters of california. i want to go back to our days, peter, i remember one of newt gingrich's best friends when we were having those very tough meetings, it was one of his good friends from california who said newt, i love you and you can tell us where we're going to be

50 years from now. you just have no idea where we're going to be tomorrow and it was, you and i saw it, frustration for newt who is a remarkablet we lost our way in. how important is it and do you agree with me that a strong leader actually can make a difference and run your caucus? >> no, we do need a strong leader, joe, but i wouldn't give it as much credit as you're giving them. i don't see any sense of responsibility from them. they're the ones that insisted on shutting the government down over obamacare. they wanted to shutdown the department of homeland security at a time when isis was burning people alive and now they wanted to shutdown government over planned parenthood and i'm 100% pro-life every they said don't do it. there's a streak there and they feel that maybe that 15% of the

conference that they should have a veto power. everyone should be part of leadership and also quite frankly a speaker that can bang heads if he has to get and the job done. conservatives in this country talk about margaret thatcher and her leadership. when she took over britain she was brutal. we have to get the job done and realize you have a leader and you get behind him. john boehner maybe wasn't the perfect leader but paul ryan would be a great speaker. i would support him 110%. >> he did during that time also accuse me of being barefoot and walking out of tent revivals. we had one of these debates. he may have had a point. he just walked out of a tent revival barefooted. it's a nice washington quote post. but not that i remember 20 years

later. >> verbatim. >> it was actually hilarious. what's next for the republican party? where do we go from here? >> well, we're going to have a meeting this morning at 9:00, a conference meeting and we're going to discuss what just happened yesterday. i think we're all very surprised and we got a few weeks until speaker boehner steps down on october 29th to come up with another speaker. now republican speaker boehner said he's not going to leave if there's not a new speaker in place. we have time to come together as a conference and find the right person. >> would he be comfortable with john boehner he negotiating on behalf of the debt ceiling and the budget. >> i'm comfortable with speaker boehner. he's done a tremendous amount for this country and i'm

supportive of him and if he needs to stay in place until we find a new speaker i'm behind him. >> you're my new favorite person on the planet, what did you mean by saying joe seems like a guy that walked out of a revival barefoot? can we extrapolate? there's a lot of meat on that bone. >> joe and i made our many years ago when joe realized he was wrong and i was right. it's the whole thing, southerners versus new york and i went the donald trump style of attack. >> yeah he did. >> it was well said by the way. >> i have a question. whether you think all of this or how will it effect the vote on the debt ceiling? whether you think republicans at the end of the day with or without this or that person or speaker are prepared to line-up and take what is a significant vote. >> this is going to be a very

significant vote and at the end of the day we are faced with a huge challenge and if we have to raise the debt ceiling we're going to need reforms. we're going to be facing this vote at the end of this month, or at least by november 5th and we have got a big vote ahead of us. >> is that a yes? >> yes. >> congressman king, you said yesterday, quote, we have to end this. we look absolutely crazy. meaning about the house republican caucus. how does this ultimately end and when does it end? >> let me tell you, the only person that has a tie knot like that is my son. >> come on. i just asked you a sere warehouse question. >> no, but seriously, how does it end? we have to get behind the speaker. we have to have someone that's going to represent all wings of the party not someone

threatening to shutdown the government. we can't allow any faction to do that whether it's new york or mississippi or the panhandle. we are a two party system and that's what i'm concerned about is that we're breaking off into these factions. just that we're talking so much about the freedom caucus. there may be 15% of the republican party and 8% of the house of representatives. you can't allow one group to have that power no matter where they're from. >> congressman peter king. >> go back in that hill billy tent will you. >> exactly. >> is he wearing socks yet. >> no, i don't wear socks. >> he has flat front chinos on. >> dress him up will you. >> the reason why peter king has to wear socks is the polyester really does scratch. thank you so much peter. there's heavy pressure right now on paul ryan obviously to make a run at speaker of the house.

he said i have spent more time trying to talk him into running than i did my wife into marrying me. 26 years later she's still with me. i'm just asking paul for 14 months. >> what's with that guy's hair. >> it's an old hair do. you have to love the hair. we got the moderator of meet the press, political director and host of mpp daily, chuck todd. we were talking about this yesterday. i made a plea for paul ryan as speaker of the house to do it for his party, for the conservative movement. this morning it doesn't look like he's any closer to saying yes, does it? >> it doesn't although you get the sense that whatever private conversations some members are having with him that he didn't slam the door. he didn't lock the door and one scenario, it's interesting that you put the quote up there saying 14 months. that seems to be the way to talk him into this.

we're just asking you to do it now. get us through the presidential election and if you don't want this job after, fine. but just be the calming force now to get us through this. i don't know about you but i have a feeling this is going to be ryan or boehner. it's either ryan does this or boehner sticks. i don't know what other plan c they got. >> there's a growing frustration with the freedom caucus which i understand because i'll in that wing of the party when i was there but you just wonder at some point if a member of the freedom caucus stands up and makes a move to vacate the chair after boehner tries to raise the debt ceiling if he's the one doing it and the republicans, the rank and file republicans say okay fine we're going to go to the democrats and get our 40 or so votes there. >> that's what i think -- it's funny in that scenario three weeks ago john boehner looked

like that would have been weak. it would have put him in a position where he couldn't lead. all of a sudden now, it's better than any other scenario because at least it keeps some stability in the house. in the house leadership. at this point, i think those are the most viable scenarios because i think you have -- the question is how many tom coles, pete kings are there versus the freedom caucus? and a lot of the guys that support boehner don't talk. a lot of the freedom caucus talks. so there's a rhetorical assumption that they're the majority opinion among the conference. i don't think it is. >> there's a cost and you'll remember this obviously from covering what he we were doing after newt went out of town. we realized after we ran newt out of town that whoever the next speaker was, we were stuck with that speaker. that there was no act 2. and i bring that up because i think the members of the freedom

caucus understand you can only push so far. before the republican -- the entire republican caucus turns against you. do you sense a rising resentment among the rank and file republicans for the freedom caucus? >> it's been there for awhile. >> i'm just wondering, a rising resentment that would make them say if you want us to we can go to nancy pedestrialosi. >> i don't think they're that bad. this is it. they got rid of boehner and mccarthy. and you sensed this too there was not a lot of happiness about the idea of promoting the next guy up with mccarthy. there was a concerted effort to look for and mccarthy gave him an easy reason to do it but i think this was a concerted

effort to stop mccarthy. that was sitting there. but i think you're right. i think that's it. i think they used up their trump cards. they're done and now they have to sort of accept the next idea. >> so chuck, what's next for you on meet the press on sunday? >> for now we're going to do a little bernie sanders preview on the democratic debate. but obviously we're going to be doing a lot more on this story. so we're in, you know the mad scramble. >> i'm available sunday morning. >> don't do it. >> donny for speaker. >> i just want to chat. we can spit ball some stuff. i'll be there. >> he wants to announce -- >> he's a walk on. >> i'll be standing in the wings in case nobody shows up. >> you got it man. you got it. >> don't let him get through the door. thank you so much, chuck. greatly appreciated. looking forward to seeing you this afternoon at 5:00 and also this weekend on meet the press.

now to the establish ka lathe situation in syria. this morning moscow and teheran are denying that four cruise missiles targeted syrian rebels and mistakenly landed in iran. washington is fuming because moscow never gave fair warning it was firing over air space used by american aircraft. let me say that again. air space used by american aircraft. however, i got to stop right there richard. i'm stunned. i am stunned by what the obama administration is allowing vladimir putin and russia to do in syria. i am stunned. first of all what's our option now that the russians are in syria and the middle east since 1973 and why should the obama

administration be doing to push back slid my putins and expansions into this region? >> vladimir putin is going to shorten the government of alababashar al assad. what we don't know is what putin plans next. is he thinking of trying to use that as a base to help him retake other parts of the country? i don't think that can succeed. might he then pivot to a diplomatic arrangement? his real goal is to show he is indispensable. he may try to do it diplomatically. for us, we so mishandled this for years. we created a vacuum. he is exploiting it. what we should do now is help the people we can help. we taught to be supporting that

and use those parts of syria. >> what's the possibility of having russia and the united states have tensions rise and possibly have a littmilitary escalation and battle. >> you can have an incident with an aircraft or with plane overlying turkey or that part of the region but it's not going to escalate beyond that. actually the more interesting question is despite all the differences whether at some point the united states and russia find a way to actually diplomatically work together because there's something we both care about which is not having a collapse of authority in damascus and seeing that isis lose. it's not inconceivable that before this thing plays out we could end up on the same page. >> we'll continue talking about this throughout the morning and we'll talk syria with our next guest but last night he was in

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with us now, donald trump. thank you for being with us. last night looked like a scene out of the price is right. you called somebody up on stage and got people magazine jumping up and down and screaming. i expected bob barker to come out. that was quite a show. >> we had an amazing group of people. we had thousands of people and it was great. it was actually very serious. we discussed a lot of serious things and much of what's going on right now in the world is very serious but that was a light moment. i saw you just a minute ago with people magazine and we had a lot of fun. >> yeah. your dear friend gene robinson wrote a column about you this morning saying what we started to talk about a little bit yesterday but of course gene says it better. that's why he has a putlizer

price. imagine what assumptions the politic would be making if bush not trump who had maintained such an impressive lead since july. yet it is taken as an article of faith by republican wise men and women that trump will surely lose. somehow the republican establishment may ultimately find a way to drag one of its presidential candidates through the primaries but chaos trump has shown is the gop's new normal. do you have a question for donald based off of this. >> i do. >> hi, gene. >> hi, my question is you are a front runner in a party that as i said in my column in chaos. so if you were going to actually win this thing you're going to have to bring that establishment over to you at some point. how are you going to do that? what are you saying to them? what are you offering to them?

>> well, i largely agree with you. i used to be part of the establishment until about three months ago when i decided to run. but i was the white haired guy that was a big contributor and everybody was calling me and giving me the best seat and everything else but now all of a sudden i run. but i'm becoming more. i have been number one in every poll and we had polls come out yesterday that was the highest i've had so far. 36, 32, 35 nationally and winning florida, ohio, and pennsylvania. i just think it's very hard and maybe i'm naive to say this but if i go around and win iowa and win new hampshire and win south carolina and just keep winning how don't see how they can do much. i would think there would be a

revolution within the republican party if that happens. >> good morning. so you're one of the leaders of the republican party now and you're a man with a lot of opinions. you took some credit for getting rid of kevin mccarthy. if your choices are john boehner staying on, paul ryan or other, what would you pick? >> well, i don't want to get involved in that too much. i did think we needed a very much tougher voice than what we had because there's so many things the republicans could do if they knew how to negotiate and had some unity. so many times you'll have people out there but they have no back from the rest of the party. >> but you did get involved you got rid of mccarthy by your own accounts. >> i thought that was a disaster for the party. >> so having gotten involved don't you need to tell people who you would like? >> no, i don't think i need to because i'm not in that particular system but i would say this, there seems to be a little bit of unification around paul ryan who is a good guy but

i would say that i have four or five people that i would have in mind that are tough people that a lot of people wouldn't be thinking of and that i have known but i don't think they would have much of a chance but i think they would do a good job. >> richard haas. >> hi, richard. thank you for your book. >> you're welcome, sir. question for you, foreign policy which is afghanistan. the leading u.s. general there disagreed with the president and said the idea of all u.s. forces being out by the end of 2016 would be a mistake given the pressure that government is offer and the loss of the northern city so my question is do you want president obama to essentially leave the decision of what the united states does in afghanistan for the next president, possibly being you? and if so, what is your instinct about what you would do with that decision? >> he might as well and you see what happened in iraq. i would not have gone into iraq at all. you've known that for many years. we discussed it in the office

the other day and i wouldn't have gone in but once we went in we shown have left so quickly and we should have left at least a group of soldiers back and we're confronted with the same thing in afghanistan. we have a group we have to keep. otherwise it's just going to go the way of iraq. it will be almost like we western there. in fact not almost. i can take the word almost out. it would be like we never even went. we have to leave some people behind. now you say will they be there another thousand years? when does this end? but in light of what's happened with iraq, i think we learned something from that mess where we have $2 trillion, thousands of lives lost. we have nothing. we have nothing. iran is taking over iraq to taking over the oil reserves. i said keep the oil. leave if you want to leave but keep the oil. now isis and iran have the oil so we did a real beauty over there. you have so sadly leave some

troops in afghanistan. there's no question about it for awhile. >> jonathan. >> mr. trump under normal circumstances the chaos in the house right now would be considered a huge problem for the presidential field, especially for the republican party making the case that it can govern the country. do you see it that way? >> no, jonathan. i really don't. i think that we are who we are. we're out campaigning. there's now 16 of us left. that's a lot of people with one left and another one is going to be leaving pretty soon from what i hear and probably a lot will be leaving soon but we're a little bit on our own. we're in our own orbit. i don't think people are going to be -- especially now i don't think people will be thinking about what's going on in the house. i do say that it's got to get cleared up at some point because when we run against whoever the democrat may be you certainly don't want that out there in terms of the republican orbit. >> donald, it's donny, how are you? >> how you doing? >> i want to do an act as if.

you're so far ahead in the polls and i want to say you're going to be the nominee. let's make some news here and to me a great ceo which is what you are is about the peel you surround yourself with. give me three names of possible running mates and i didn't three. they can be out. take pause for a second. i don't know if anybody asked you this, give me three potential running mates that make you an unbeatable ticket. >> i don't want to do that because it's too soon. i'm focused totally on winning and winning what i'm doing and my life has been a series of lots of wins. i don't like to lose and we're doing really well. there are some people because i go and we fight and people fight me and there are some people that i'm involved with right now in terms of running against them that are quite good that i have a lot of respect for. i have respect for numerous people i'm on stage with.

it could be somebody out of there and somebody that you know very well that maybe wouldn't be in that group but it's a little too soon for me to do that. i think it would be a mistake. >> tow think you expected one of the current republican presidential candidates to get out of the race and if so who? >> i would rather not say. one is going to be getting out soon. >> give us a hint. >> when you're at zero. a number of them at one. it must be hard to go on like that. one i hear is getting out soon. >> give us a hint about the identity of the person. >> you're going to end up with four or five in the end and that's fine with me. >> do you think rand paul is going to get out of the race soon? >> i do. i think he has to go back to the people of kentucky. i think they're not being treated fairly by him and he's going to have to do one thing or the other. i don't think it's fair to the people of kentucky. a great state and great people. i don't think it's fair to them. >> you seem to be jumping up and down with marco rubio lately. sit personal? >> no.

not at all. i don't know him. >> you're just concerned about his health. >> his parched throat. >> he's perfectly nice. he was always very nice but about two weeks ago he started attacking me. you know, i always wait. i'm the counterpuncher. i never want to go first. i'd like to see unity in the republican party which is a big statement in light of what's going on but i'd like to see some unity. but no i hit marco because he attacked me three weeks ago i guess to get some numbers or whatever. he's a very nice guy. i don't really know him well. >> well, thank you for being with us, on tdon. we are fascinated when people are coming on saying you peaked. >> they've said that every single time i went up. i've hit my plateau. >> so here's how you plateaued this week. latest national poll, 31%, 14 point lead over ben carson. florida 28%, you doubled marco

and jeb in ohio. first place with 23%. a 10 point lead over the very popular governor there. pennsylvania first place with 23%. 6 point lead over ben carson. new hampshire 21%, 5 point lead over carly fiorina. >> why are you still in the race? >> i was with chuck todd who was very good and i did meet the press and he said would you get out and i made the statement that well if i could see i wasn't going to win and if my numbers were terrible and you wouldn't call, if i saw it wasn't going to happen of course i would. the next headlines is trump may consider getting out of there. i may get more of a political answer. i'm never getting out. >> all right. that's the news donald trump. thank you as always. >> breaking banner. >> that is the breaking banner.

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mr. speaker. >> remember the house of republican leadership, congressman and senior politics editor from the daily beast. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks. >> you need to step into the fray buddy. you going to run for speaker? >> there are many better choices. >> whatever. that's why you need to step into the fray. you're good. >> no, i actually think paul ryan eventually will get into this thing. >> why do you say that? >> i'm like a reporter i can't reveal all my sources but more pornly we had two guys fall on their swords for the good of the conference and in this case it's hard not to step up when there's an overwhelming demand. we have a lot of other good possibilities. i'd be for john kline if paul ryan din get in.

tom price and westmothreland fr georgia. you're seeing an extraordinary act by paul ryan. i think he'll step forward. >> is it possible to pull together the main street republicans is there a speaker that can do that? >> it's tougher if it's not paul. i do. that doesn't mean there's not other people capable of it. this are. but i think he's unique in the house of representatives. there's two committees. and he has really driven the thought and he's a commanding presence plus he's a great guy to some of your comments. and i think he'll step up. >> we have seen speaker boehner

and kevin mccarthy never got up to the plate. could it be someone from the freedom caucus we haven't seen step up yet. >> if somebody wants to run this is now the time to do it but ryan strate ryan strattles the divide in the caucus well. nobody doesn't respect paul ryan. i don't know of anybody that doesn't like him and trust him but you can look at the record of achievement in the budget committee. look at him being picked as a house member for vice president. he's a guy of incredible stach jurors. he will more likely follow somebody like that. paul has a strong sense of doing the right thing. he knows the right thing to do now is to lead this caucus and put us together. i think he'll do it. >> timing matters a lot in politics. if this can't be -- >> i thought you were my friend. >> i'm your friend but i also

know where this is headed. if timing matters a lot and the debt ceiling needs to be raised before there's a new speaker do you have confidence that john boehner could negotiate an increase in the debt ceiling? >> absolutely. john boehner in the 2011 debt ceiling negotiation got the budget control act. $150 less than when bush was president. he's a good negotiator. my guess is it will be combined with several other things. on the one hand make it more palatable or on the other hand folks will just be willing to fall on a sword in this case to get that done. >> do you rule out any circumstances under which you would run for speaker. >> i wouldn't rule out anything right now but i know i'm not the best choice and everyone knows it's paul ryan. >> but if the best choice doesn't run in there and john

boehner is not acceptable and we're not being cute here. >> john boehner would be acceptable to me and the vast majority of the caucus. >> but if he weren't though, would you consider stepping forward if people asked you to run for speaker? >> well, you know, i would be supporting probably my friend john kline. but i know the right thing to do here and we know the right person and it's a tough and difficult and individual decision for paul but i'm just so con fireworks dfident he wil right choice. >> would you do it? >> why would i worry about that? there's plenty of alternatives. >> it may happen. >> i don't think it will. >> bet you 5 bucks. >> hey, hey, i want odds. >> we'll give them to you off air. congressman tom cole as always we love having you with us. thank you so much. good luck there. >> thanks. >> in our next hour we're going

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hunger for another way forward instead of the partisanship that's ripped apart washington and this country for so long is probably never more of a need for it than right now. >> absolutely, joe. that's exactly what motivated the creation of the no labels organization. no labels forget that you're a democrat, republican or independent. we have to stop fighting each other in washington and start fixing some of our problems. all the anger that's being expressed through the presidential campaign has so much to do with exactly that. people are fed up with what they see in washington and they want people to figure out how to work together again. it was really interesting that he said that the it's essentially to tear down the house caucus. it is a move that wants to become part of the process. hopefully they can be part of solutions to problems and what we're doing on monday i don't

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sanders as a guest, that ain't nothing. as my grandmom would say from georgia, that's high cotton. >> that's cool. sap you you may the solution to the speakership sitting right in front of you, joe lieberman. who said the speaker has to come from within the body. no pandering intended here, i've never worked with a person as fine as joe lieberman. i can't remember, maybe mark halperin can point out history better that i can but i can't remember where we ever have 2,000 mostly uncommitted voters, in new hampshire. then beyond that to have both republicans and democrats not to stalk about what they want to do but at that talk about how they want to do it.

the american people based on all the polling we've done, they want elected officials who are going to look at shared goals. some people call it it impossible, but we've gotten out of the habit of goal setting. . you remember back when you were in the house to balance the budget and clinton was in with the same goal. it's been a long time since we in the house have had some shared goals. >> senator, that's the thing i hear from everybody, "you left at the right time." i'm sure you hear the same in the senate. >> i do. >> it remarkable someone like myself, 95% conservative rating, could work with harold ford or barney frank or somebody on the

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i'm mika brzezinski, i invite you to join us with know your power. let's work together, let's make progress together. >> it's become clear to me that this prolonged leadership turmoil would do irreparable harm to the institution. so this morning i informed my colleagues that i would resign from the speakership and resign from congress at the end of october. i think that kevin mccarthy would make an excellent lead be.

>> i'll taken on everybody, if we are going to unite and stay strong, we need a new mess help doing that. >> whus j when i thought i was out, they put me back in. it's friday, 10th 9th. with us this morning, managele editor, mark halpern. neck who wants to sand. >> jonathan is president of the counsel and foreign relations. thinks are haas.

these are tee ls, donnie. associate editor of the "new york post," now that's a title. also reporter for "the washington post," elise win beck. give me a split screen of who layering was came offer. we ran knew doubt in tough, livingston he starts to difficult his first speech. hey around we thought at the time denny as tert we had an agenda. "the washington post" tax about a vacuum for the house gop. this is a party.

washington republicans, a party in absolute anarchy right now. what can you get us up to date with? >> joe, i think that reflects what i'm hearing from a lot of the range and you file members of in increasingly so. this if they can't one their own house, how are they supposed to the the ked "owe dpees des fence and but tufs. >> he was in him he was going to move forward in his bid for speaker and then abruptly chases it.

that puts the onus on paul ryan. listen to this. >> what happened in the four hours? >> you know, we had our quon frens and there's calls into the district. i don't want macking voter for speaker a tough one. i think the best thing for our party right no is that you have 247 votes on the floor. if he we are going to strong, we need to be 1% united. nomt surprised. >> so you found out in the within prn. >> oh, this is not the time or place to have those conversations. >> so ryan says that was not the time for place, that press scrum we were a number last night, joe. at the gop conference meeting, he will stand up and say yes, no

or maybe. until he works a firm decision, everything is sort of frozen in place, when i skkt mccarthy, what changed between 8 and 123, it was a lot of his conservatives said their phone lines were blowing you, you can't elect peacekeeper boehner. he fell him one experienced, all right spaegs in '81. wool oozed who had. >> you told me that he would not make it until the new year. >> technically i said he won't be speaker in january and at the time nally doesn't want o do

this right now but this is just one of those moments. i'm never this mellow dramatic on this show, talking about a man or a woman having to step up. this is a unique time and place for at rest health insurance loves five sex pf could be devastating. i don't think paul ryan has any choice if he kearse about the conservative movement, the republican party, how does he stay away sm. >> he has the job he wants doing policy. from frog today is means sill vor and wealthy and mcconnell,

sit with the president. is not the job. they give him a deputy be, they give him a dal for members. while they're go only mom can do it, only paul ryan can do it right now. >> jonathan, there's this belief that conservatives and not just conservatives but the ultra conservatives, the people that basically are sitting in the seats where i was sitting from '95 to 2001. will only take a hard, right-wing leader that refuses to go along anything. that's not the case. a love of it has do with do you

trust the leader, do they share your values and can they share your ultimate gels. >> jim: >> and the key word you used was "trust" ". i was listening to msnbc, i don't think the yas of the congressman i i think link interviewed. but this person said krch mccarthy was unacceptable because he was too close to boehner. he was considered somebody who wouldn't do what conservatives wanted, conservative house members wand. >> right in. >> and so if paul ryan wb that person who has all those attributes that you talked about, god speed for him. but i'm surprised you tn even

ryan's potential, does he really want to be shackleled to that kaungs you hi. to be the number two person in america, a position with very little power. this is number they, and it actually has an you a if the love the power. karen writes this for "the washington post." republicans are oj year haas, roll and then in twelg now i am saying this -- we are one year away from losing control of the sport and the federal

bureaucracy for a general lags. if we lose to tillry and gave -- this is just my opinion. but has a conservative, we lose the brox ser, an agenda for a generation. >> great. >> this is is wunsch time. the media have been whining for years -- now, get what. i really. nd it looks look ache going from whether there are are predictable and confident. the deal kbrrng pb it's next

passion going into men looked larger. and that's scary. >> republican congressman dare is i of california. i know you've been listening to a lot this. can somebody look dock vince the 2015 version of meeft small government conservatives really want. that is a battle on sop is ever of serveoned eit pchb but -- potentially i feel i can be a

candidate vast majority who is a wpd, between the leadership ranks. but we need somebody willing to do those the number members sense 2010, they're more conservative, rare really interest it. popular? sure. we gave were we have been dealing with retex tullwhen we swipt it back in the marjt.

clrs . >> reporter: hey, congressman. things for coming on to the show. if you take the speaker chip, how do you think your son, it doing in that role and krich sem. >> or man. >> the rancor, he's gone along to get along and he's done that. there hasn't been a single committee report or stab report published sense he's been chairman. the fact is he's a good guy but whaef he was as a freshman, when he was trying to our committee, he took a break from that and think that's going to hurt.

not whether i get in the race or not, it already hurt him. he 10 thirt coat going into stand. this is something where the conference has to dig deep, ask a question o you can make yourself vebl for the are was was i promise you $ need to be double teaming with it ability. get nrs toy say to.

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you look at trump, the crowds are getting bigger, it horrifying the republican establishment. you look at the headlines of "the washington post," chaos. you look at the headlines of "boston globe." no speaker in place. you look at the edlines of the wall street journal, hour gop heing. for the consistent men -- it's a rough day if you think the party is best positioned to run the country. you've not got anybody who isn't a die hard reebs going they had some sort of nominee. you did have this kind of leader when they had a theme saying

this is why you us into the wait appealing hair of things. you have a kind of thing around this is what the democratic party is about. for republicans, there's a sort of seeming i unlistened gift that eachive nem m or about nm is proo. >> there's not a unifying theme. there hasn't been a union kwai phiing theme. the on unifying theme has been barack obama bad. >> and this is the issue. we spent 30 minutes, wamp, wamp, in depressing the back hole. there's nobody.

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and let them shoot me. i'd say, hey, guys, everybody take action. he may shoot me but he can't get us all. >> hey, guys, who's in for rushing the gunman? one, too, within put up or down, susan. i need clarity. >> we're going to bring her in in just ament and look at that. first we're talking to roger altman and the news and finance anchor at jah who. bianna dreg. does that man the world economy may be waking up a little bit?

>> phil: a decrease in the oil place somebody and the reason pore the rebound, i think, is that the proos weakness has been so profound, for example, that lines look production has the global economy gotten strong other or is it getting weaker? >> still getting weaker. wow. we go back to the famous hollywood quote, "neb knows nothing.

there's a lot certain tie out there debt limit on nr dls 3 go you gave me a stop ak. what was thattium in. >> it's like a $200 billion tax and when they see it continuing around 2.50 again to spend receipt now because it a houn rear headed toor possible government shut down. could we see penick if it do

stem going back. right now the business and financial communities in the markets are so used to shut downs, so used to debt limit crises. the chaos in the republican house caucus and owe. >> it is. because, mark, and you know all this. none these events in the last five, 10 sprints fingsly. offer porng you're talking about are go to rag, swl china in wour prn but i don't think washington is going to got up on to the of

that lettery. >> wouldn't saisai. the good news is we're continuing to grow rather steadily. wages are gibbing to move up, especially the bottom line on household income, when you take into contract hours worked as well labor and so forth. labor markets are tightening generally. but the bad news is we're only growing 2%, 2.5% depending on your estimate. and we should be growing a lot better than that. the pictures with consumers is mixed of a this very bow abablet

i think the u.s. economy picture is really eds! in a modern position. >> let bring up right now host of aand rea motivates." >> tell us about your interview with ben carson. . very krit can. the president would now join cass deif it would couldn't it of the president, plt sizing for what he dolls the gun debate,

despite the fact that some peep are saying he's not welcome out there. >> squim will. >> what does this say about the republican brand. can it survive after this kind of chaos sm. >> i think it can survive. i think it was a good gesture by mccarthy, who was forced to resign. i think it's time to know -- "there's a lot of time to ep up." they and do it the right way and make sure there is some harmony and a functional unit.

>> trump is clearly the other front-runners, tied in some polls with trump, whether he would consider being on a priept tom wartability. that's spool to be the laborle be. he's quite the candidate. >> i'm wondering what your read is. does he seem like a guy who n now -- >> mike: yes. in the past. but not as a presidential candidate. and, yes, there is a different

demanor here. i think he now has the sense of mission. he was very strong on vladimir putin explaining what he means is i'm get in his face. tacking about what he's troing and didn't back off at all when i asked him about the holocaust comments. he said what he's talking about, what happens in stit if people geoff up their arms, they then can be dominated. that's why he believes so strongly in the second amendment the way he used it we're going to be watching obviously the full interview with ben car san on your show today at noon. roger, you say that chaos has been factored into the margts coming out of washington. i don't know. president ben carson.

no, i'm just referring to debt limit that mike having faced trump, carson -- well, trump with be huge. it would be a wonderful rally, the greatest rally ever. >> keeping the government from shutting down. hate ben surgery. him and the prospect of president trump. i doubt that. >> jim: thank you. come back very soon. we appreciate it. did did can we'll be right back.

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week, bob dylan. what did we learn? >> i learned the eyes say yes when his mouth is saying no. >> if it not pl ryan and it can't be john boehner. >> oklahoma speaker. >> what did you learn today? >> i learned that ben carson does not have congress i don't know around. we have msnbc live coming up next. have a great weekend. and good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. this morning we are following three breaking stories. it's going to be another big day on capitol hill as house republicans meet behind closed doors, try and figure out what's going on with their leadership. mckparty is out but who's in?

and another shooting at a college cap pus. we're waiting on a news conference there in flag staff. this comes on the sap day president automaker heads to oregon this comes as russia steps up its air strikes in that country. we begin with the news out of washington. chaos in the house of representatives. no idea who might be the next leader and now there are growing concerns that the gop -- i'm sorry, let's go right to luke russert. luke is with some breaking news on this. luke? >> reporter: no, not necessarily breaking. what's breaking is paul ryan just