terrible shooting in roseburg, oregon. also speaking to some of the survivors of that shooting saying the country needs to come together, we all need to work together but the time right now is for healing and for helping those families who suffered so greatly. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" with chuck todd starts right now. >> if it's friday, you can't hide your ryan eyes. pressure piles on the wisconsin congressman to say yes to the top job in the house. his spokesman says he's still not running for speaker, but that's present tense. the door may be shut but it's not locked. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. my apologies if you get that eagle song in your head all night long with your ryan eyes. tonight we have the latest on

what house republicans had to say and what paul ryan would not say as they raced home to think things over. also tonight, my exclusive sitdown with secretary of state john kerry and former new york city mayor michael bloomberg for their call on a climate action plan that has mayors around the world leading the charge and bucking their national governments. we'll have the latest on the pentagon's big decision to stop training syrian rebels for now. and we just got comments from president obama after he met with the shooting victims' families in roseburg, oregon. it's a big friday. let's hit the press box. luke russert is on the hill with the latest on the speaker chaos. jim miklaszewski is at the pentagon for what's going on with our new syria policy and hallie is on the trail with marco rubio to talk up what's going on with ted cruz and his money versus marco rubio. let's start in congress amid the

stunni stunning fumes. no one has more to ponder than paul ryan. he left today today without completely ruling out the idea of begrudgingly accepting a bid to become speak person. >> right now i'm just going to catch my flight so i can make it home for dinner. >> when are you going to make that decision? >> going home to cover the spread. >> very definitive. he's talking about the pammers game playing the rams. ryan head home to deliberate. >> the natural next step would be to look to paul ryan. he's the guy that i think everyone could coalesce around. >> i did everything except carry his gym bag this morning trying

to get him to do it. >> do you support him for speaker? >> he's not a candidate, is he? >> if he were to get in would you support him? >> 100% unabashedly. >> paul is looking at it, it's his decision. if he decide to do it, he'd be an amazing speaker but he has to decide on his own. >> "chairman ryan appreciates the support he's getting from his colleagues but is still not running for speaker." that does not necessarily mean he will not run for speaker. let's go to luke russert who joins me from capitol hill. you and i are hearing basically the same thing. the question is he's negotiating with his wife at home this weekend but he's also negotiating with his colleagues about how to reshape the job should he take it. explain. >> reporter: there are a few things at play, chuck. obviously what you just mentioned, how would he go about fund-raising, how would he go about doing all the parts of the speaker's job that are not that

fun, i.e. doing the fund-raising, he would like some help with that. his wife has never been too keen on this idea. he has three young children at home. i'm also hearing another thing here. palm ryan is now the subject of some very aggressive mobilization efforts of the conservative media on the right, essentially calling him rhino ryan, saying the deal he cut with patty murray was way to conciliatory. so he's dealing with conservative outrage regarding his speakership as well. from everything i've heard is that he will not move forward until the path to 218 is completely clear. he does not want to get muddied up similar to what happened to kevin mccarthy and john boehner. he got a call today from his former running mate, mitt romney. romney said "i wouldn't presume

to tell paul what to do but i do know that he's a man of ideas who is driven to do public good." >> we've heard all those members. we'll see. i think it the first day of deer hunting season i'm told in washington and he at least gets to -- he can bring his kids with him. i'm guessing that's what he'll be doing. luke russert, stick to your phone. >> let's head to the pentagon. one year after the u.s. launched a $500 million campaign to train rebel fighters in syria, news today of a major change, or at least a temporary major change. officials announced a, quote, operational pause on the program. officials put those trained at 20, not 20,000, 20, with on.

>> we have been looking for several weeks in ways to improve that program. i wasn't satisfied with the early efforts in that regard so we're looking at different ways to achieve basically the same kind of strategic objective, which is the right one. >> and yesterday of course i spoke with senator john mccain, chairman of the armed services committee, where he told me of the more complex components of this train and equip program. there's not just the pentagon. >> well, there's two programs. one, believe it or not, is run by d.o.d. and the o other is run by the cia, which we're not supposed to know anything about. in this so-called covert program, both isis and bashar al assad are the enemy and that's been a fairly viable program. >> let's go to jim miklaszewski

at the pentagon. jim, why do they call it a pause? they hope to restart the pentagon program? explain. >> reporter: as far as we know about the cia program, that's been going on for some time now. they have been providing weapons and they've had operatives on the ground. not necessarily americans but working for the cia with some of those syrian rebels forces. now, they can call it a pause if they want, but this program is dead. the death nell was sounded a couple of weeks ago when they told the senate armed services committee after spending about $50 million of that $500 million to train fighters, only four or five were in the fight and they then threw dirt on it when they told peter baker a few days later that president obama never wanted to do this in the first place. so it was clear that this train

and equip program was dead on arrival. what they've done is turn the whole thing on its head to say now it's going to be equip and then train. so they are going to provide weapons to some 5,000 or so rebels in syria. they're going to withdraw some of their leadership, train them in how to work with the u.s. military, particularly aircraft, to call in air strikes against enemy forces there. but the original program cannot be resuscitated. >> it sounds like a mess. i'm going to get more into it later in the show. jim mcchiklaszewski, thanks ver much. >> ted cruz has it and in $12 million in fund raising. they say they raised more than $ is million in the final 24 hours

alone. marco rubio's is a bit more humbling. he brought in half of the cruz haul. >> reporter: i got to ask you about your fund-raising numbers out there. folks saying they're low. are you worried you can't compete financially? >> no, of course not. we're very pleased with the money we have on hand and we feel very optimistic. >> reporter: you've been doing better in the polls. are you peaking too soon? >> i don't know about that. we just execute our plan and continue to grow. we're about 11, 116 days away from the iowa caucuses so we're very excited. >> hallie, i know the rubio

folks make the argument our september was fantastic and they think it's going to be a momentum builder going forward. >> reporter: right. and they're saying now that october is going to be their best month yet, chuck. they point to a couple of factors that play over the summer. in july you had scott walker and other candidates getting into the race and taking away some of the donor base and august, citing vacations and typically being a slow month anyway. these are still the same playing fields of cruz and say ben carson were facing. but the rubio campaign, that said, would you turn down an extra $6 million, chuck? probably not. you wouldn't want to be hurting for more money. that's still a possibility. but the campaign is feeling good about where it's going from here. remember that rubio's rise in the polls and notably increased

media attention really didn't come until after the last debate, which was only a few weeks ago. so the fact that the campaign is looking forward, looking toward a strong october is really key here. >> it is. we're still waiting for a few other numbers to finally come in. i'm curious about carly fiorina and jeb bush, what are those final numbers going to be? hallie jackson, thanks very much. i don't want to move off the campaign trail without showing you something else here. it the first time that ted cruz has said something negative. the texas senator has shied away from criticizing trump but not this time. while speaking to radio host rita cosby, after saying he's glad he's in the race, cruz then changed his tune a bit for the very first time. take a listen. >> i like donald, i respect him. in time i don't think donald is going to be the nominee.

i think in time the lion's share of his supporters end up with us. >> we know that donald trump and ted cruz speak very frequently. more than once a week have supposedly what you hear on and off. we know ted cruz absolutely believes he is the guy most likely to inherit trump supporters, should trump somehow falter. one thing we've also learned about donald trump, he doesn't take kindly to people that are predicting the end of his candidacy or somehow foreshadowing he can't be the nominee and he can't do this. it will be very interesting to see how does donald trump react to this? obviously cruz knows, he's been under the radar, he's got the organization in place in these early states but trump is in his way, carson is in his way. he obviously at some point would like to see what he believes will come true that trump isn't there and he'll get his supporters. can't wait to see how trump

reacts. >> moments ago president obama spoke in roseburg, oregon with the families of victims of the deadly shooting at umpqua community college. >> i just had a talk to the families. obviously in moments like this, word aren't going to bring their loved ones back. but the run thing that they share is how much they appreciate the entire ucc community coming together, how much they appreciate all their neighbors, all their friend and people all across the country who have offered to help, sent their thoughts and their prayers and what i just told to mayor, if there's anything we can do at the federal level to help the community heal from this loss, obviously we're going to be there. and i know that flying out here

with some of the members of the oregon delegation, they feel the same way and the governor obviously has been paying a lot of attention to how we can be most helpful to the families. so there are going to be i think moments as we go forward where we're going to have to come together and figure out how do we stop thanksgiving liings lik happening. i've got tsome very strong feelings about this because when you talk to these families, you're reminded that this could be happening to your child or your mom or your dad or your relative or your friend. and so, you know, we're going to have to come together as a country to see how we can prevent these issues from taking place. but today it's about the

families, their grief and the love we feel for them and they surely do appreciate all the support that they've received. thank you. >> obviously a much less political president obama there when it comes to the issue, much different tone of course of taking which is not surprising. nothing is wrong with your tv, by the way. clearly a huge ind iwind issue there. apologize for that. it's the travel press pool. the best they can do sometimes in an open air environment. coming up, the north carolina congressman who in many ways led the charge to bounce speaker boehner. it's the freedom coalition co-founder. and taking action of their own on climate change. ridiculous number of miles...

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and where it stands today is the founder of the house freedom caucus, congressman, welcome to "meet the press daily." >> it's good to be with you. thank you so much. >> let's talk about where things stand now. the draft paul ryan movement. are you a part of it? are you comfortable with it? where do you stand? >> i think a lot of americans are comfortable with it. it's hard to say right now whether that will be successful or not with paul ryan. it's going to be between him and his family. i know he's going home, i talked to him this afternoon. he was going to see is he willing to put forth the sacrifice it is may take to be the speaker of the house? certainly he's a very credible candidate with the ability to articulate his positions in a compelling way. i think he would have a brought base of support without a doubt. >> sounds like you'd be

comfortable talking to your constituents saying i don't agree with paul ryan on everything but he's the right person to be in the job. >> i think it's not as much about the person as it is the process, and to empower all 435 members, republicans and democrats alike, to bring the best ideas from back home so that those ideas are voted on in washington, d.c. and make sure washington, d.c. works for them. as long as chairman ryan is committed to that process, to make sure it's a bottom-up approach, not a top down, i think it would be an encourage to the american people. >> a bottom-up process can work sometimes in the house. the discharge petition. we're seeing the discharge petition in action this week on, for instance, the import/export bank. there's a majority in the house

that will support the reauthorization of it. not a majority of republicans or democrats, but a majority in the house. if you open up the process like you want, there may be a lot of issues that conservatives are unhappy with that actually get through the house. are you okay with an outcome like that? >> obviously the discharge petition is really a separate issue. what we're working for and advocating on behalf of is really to allow the committees to do their work and empower their committees to work the will and have the influence there, bring that forth. if you get more than enough compelling interest in a particular issue, that it comes to the fore, a discharge petition is a little bit different than that. i don't know that i would support that particular item. much like the motion to vacation was never actually voted on, it was really designed more to have a family discussion. we're having that right now. moderates and conservatives alike. >> if paul ryan says no, who else? who's next?

and would you -- what would happen if john boehner basically says i'm going to stay on till the end of congress? >> well, he believes in the institution and obviously he's here to stay on until we can come together in unity to provide someone who can lead us forward. i do anticipate that he will end up resigning as he's planned to do at the end of the month, that we'll find unity around some candidate. there are a couple of candidates that are officially in the race, many others who are jumping in. other names that are being added daily, wes moreland, mike mccramccall from texas. >> so it sound like you're okay if it's not a full conservative, maybe, that shares your views in the freedom caucus as long as they have an open process. >> right.

this is not ideologically driven, it was more process driven. even the person the freedom caucus embraced, his numbers were much more than even in the freedom process. >> are you comfortable with kevin mccarthy staying as number two? >> certainly. he put the gop party ahead of his own personal ambitions. it was really a statesman-like issue. i applaud him in that. he was actively working hard today trying to make sure that we moved legislation forward. and so having him stay there and support him in that is certainly something i can do. >> mark meadows who in many ways, you started the family conversation or you forced the conversation. we'll see where it end up. thanks for coming on today. >> thank you, chuck. >> coming up, the u.s. pulls back in syria.

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>> this feels like an indictment on national governments, that you need to work with mayors and city governments because maybe the international community on the national level can't get it together on climate change. is that what we're saying? >> no, i don't think that's fair. most pollution comes from cities because that's where most of the people live. and even if it comes from outside the cities, the energy that -- the generation that causes the pollution, is the energies used in the cities. in the end, federal and state government, the monies and policies that they give and set get down to where the mayors are and in the end the mayors are the ones that execute. it's where the rubber meets the road. >> secretary kerry, you're dealing on a nation to nation basis in trying to get climate. is this city program a way of getting around the difficulty for us as a country to be signing on to climate pacs? >> no, it's a way of maximizing the possibility of dealing

urgently with a national crisis. the reality is it's going to take everybody. we can't afford to wait for one entity in government, one level of government to respond to this. the mayors have prove i don't know -- proven through the years, this is an area where they have shown their willingness to take many. steps. >> you've used very urgent language and you've used very urgent language when it comes to l climate. is the united states isolated in -- >> in all fairness, the president is doing what he can. the secretary has been going around trying to get other countries to do what we can, and in america we brought down greenhouse gasses dramatically. we closed 200 out of the 500 coal fired power plants, but also individuals have painted the roofs of their houses to use

less injury, people have put solar panels on their roofs. while all of the craziness is going on in this debate, this country is the leader. could it be better? sure it could be better. the debate has changed from whether it exists to whether it's man made. you go to north carolina and south carolina right now, i don't think you'd find very many people who found this different. >> should that matter? i've made this argument, i feel there's a huge fight about whether it's man made or not. everyone is acknowledging that the climate is changing. isn't then the fight should be about what it takes to deal with a changing climate. why should it matter if it's man made or not? >> if you're going to solve the problem and it not man made,

then what do you do about it? those choices change dramatically when you begin to understand the science of how it's happening. and once you land on the notion that human beings are contributing very significantly to this change, then you have a different set of options, i.e., what kind of energy are you going to use? the question is will we make those changes fast enough. >> no ceo of a company is going to survive if that company has an environmental risk without addressing it, either by insurance policy, build a burm around your building, all these companies, the american industry is realistic, they have to worry about lawsuits, they can't recruit workers to their company unless they're environmentally friend. i don't know why it even matters, why you even bother to cover it because in the end the

people who can do something about it are doing something. >> with you a due respect, i feel like you've given up on congress when it comes to climate and the city way is the way to go. >> no, i think it's clear it is difficult. what happens to happen is the public has to say to the congress, we will elect and reelect people that will improve the public health and environment. fo forget about climate change way out. i want my kids to have clean water, breathe clean air, not worry about storms and that sort of thing and if you don't help me, i'm not going to vote for you. as soon as you change the dialogue to that, you'll find congress 100% in your pocket. >> you've campaigned around this country as a politician. up know when you go to kentucky it's jobs and you go somewhere else they say you're going to raise my electric bill. this becomes an economic impact for people. >> but what people are now realizing is it's far more expensive not to deal with the problem. we spent over $100 billion last

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training in syria on hold. russia continues an aggressive bombing campaign in the region and general lloyd austin was questioned on the hill about the program's effectiveness and he said this: >> can you tell us what the total number of trained fighters remains? >> it's a small number, and the ones that are in the fight is -- we're talking four or five. the new syrian force program has gotten off to a slow start. >> that was four or five individuals. not long after that startling admission, senators from both sides began calling for the end of the program. as you heard the defense secretary today, the program has been ended. steve, where are we as opposed to -- what do we do now?

we can have all these points about when we should have and let's forget that. let's forget now. has russia basically ended our program for us? >> well, i don't think russia has ended the program. i think the program never really got traction. what we're talking about is the overt d.o.d. program, the press has reported for months that there is a cia program and that -- the press reports suggests that program has been doing much better. but in terms of the overt program, i think what you're beginning to see is they're going to redirect it, rather than trying to build units from the ground up and introduce them on the ground, they're going to try to take units on the ground with which they think we can deal and arm them, try to train them in communications, human rights and make them more effective and train people who can come in and who can be spotters to coordinate u.s.

aircra aircraft strikes in support of those ground operations. >> there is a split on this and this goes across party lines. everybody wants to put things it's the bush way, the obama way there's debate about no-fly zones, yet hillary clinton wanting one. i asked john kerry about it in the interview i did, he wouldn't say, he said all of us are giving the president ideas. the white house really pushes back on the idea of a no-fly zone because they just don't think it will be effective. do you understand their case? do you buy their case? >> the question is what's a no-fly zone? over what? for what objective? enforced by what? but we have a tendency to focus on these tactical issues without looking at the big picture. the big picture is we're where we are now because republicans and democrats for over four years have said if you don't do something about syria, more people will die, it will be more sectarian, it will destabilize

the neighborhood and open the door to al qaeda. that's exactly what has happened. we created a vacuum and the sta united states to get nomore engaged. lead and be more active against isis with our air force, with our providing equipment to those who are willing to fight for isis. >> i hate to bring fiction into this. i'm a homeland fan. they made it. there was a fictional ask of where he said what should we do in syria and the cia operative said give me ground troops. he said you are stuck with us. is really -- can you really do syria this way or is the only way to probably go in with a large force? >> there are people fighting and

ske succeeding in syria. we ought to be doubling down on them. there are arab fighters who are aligned with them. we ought to be looking to find equipment and support to them. we need to be identifying who is willing to fight isis and we need to support them with weapons, with such training as we can with spotters. you know, i think we can do a lot more but i think the problem is the administration has had a tendency to do enough to avoid failure but without an understanding of what success looks like and a commitment to success. if all you do is avoid failure it is slow failure overtime. we have to make a commitment to achieve the objective. i don't think it is 200,000 troops. >> i'm going to leave it there. interesting way to put it, avoiding failure. we are going to cap off the day

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there along with bob woodson who was kemp's mentor in inner cities. he is in favor of immigration reform, thinks it's a growth strategy. i think he doesn't have the energy, the vim that jack kemp had, but in terms of what is in his head and his heart he has -- >> forgot one important thing. a big tax cut. he would lower the top rate on individual income to 25%. jack, he got reagan to reduce it from 70 to 50 and down to 28%. but this is lower. kemp didn't care about spending and the deficit. he says it's a bigger deal now. >> kemp was the optimistic voice of the party. what would he say to the freedom caucus today?

>> he would be appalled by the way they are ripping the body apart and ripping the country apart. what i'm hoping -- i'm hoping that ryan will continue to not step into that -- >> he wanted to resist. >> because it's a hopeless task. he would be as thwarted as boehner and mccarthy were so what i'm hoping will happen is that boehner will go out as a statesman, team up with a bunch of democrats, pass a budget, spending bill, get over the debt ceiling with democrats, be not only the speaker of the republican conference but the speaker of the whole congress. >> that's a recipe for burning down the republican party. they would light themselves on fire. >> that would make things worse. then you would unite the other

200 house republicans with these 40. >> i get the sentiment. >> i understand that, but that's not going to happen. i don't think boehner is going to do that. what the -- >> what's the alternative? >> the alternative is just another continuing resolution that they will pass. they do it all the time anyway. so far what these folks have done who think they have gotten rid of boehner, now they may be stuck with him for a while if they can't agree on a speaker. paul ryan doesn't want to do it. these people would want to have a shut down if they can't get planned parenthood defunded. >> i don't have a lot of time but who are the jack kemp candidates in the republican field? >> jeb bush, john kasich, marco rubio shows signs of it. maybe chris christie could develop into it. >> i agree with that but the

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