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an update in just a minute. an urgent push this weekend to convince paul ryan to take the most powerful job in washington no one seems to want. how about the job people seem to actually want. we're watching and waiting on vice president joe biden. his decision is expected any day now. just three days away from the first democratic presidential debate. bernie sanders speaking to ms is n msnbc. overseas, 30 people have been killed in a pair of explosions in turkey. they exploded near a peace rally in ankara. john? >> reporter: jonathan, just horrible images on out of turkey. the death toll like to go rise because so many of the injured are very badly injured. these two blasts came just

minutes apart outside the central train station in ankara where people were gathering for that peace march calling for an end to clashes between turkish government forces and kurdish independence fighters in the southeastern part of turkey. the dead and injured were carried away on banners you see there that the marchers brought with them. banners urging peace. the attack has the characteristics of an isis-inspired attacks. right now there have been no claims of responsibility. both the turkish government and the kurds have been fighting isis in the region. and they are blaming the government ahead of elections three weeks. just a little bit ago, jonathan, the kurdish militant group called for a cease-fire. jonathan? >> john yang in london, thanks very much. turning to the big bombshell

this week. calls for paul ryan to run for speaker call in. romney was the latest republican leader to join. >> paul ryan i know is thinking very much about this. >> if paul ryan got into the race, of course i would support him. he would be the kind of person i could get excited about. >> he has with what no one else has right now. >> he has moderate support members of the freedom caucus have come to me saying let paul know i would be with him. >> he said many times he is not running. >> i know a lot of speculation about who should run and others. paul is looking at it. but it's his decision. if he decides to do it, he would be an amazing speaker. >> it's a decision that was thrust upon ryan just two days ago when kevin mccarthy blind-sided washington by

dropping out to replace john boehner in the face of conservative opposition. ryan is seen as one of the few people who could reunite the republican caucus. a spokesperson said he is still not running for speaker. joining me now is the reporter who broke the stunning news of mccarthy's decision to drop out of the speaker's race this week, ileana johnson. thank you very much for being here. >> thanks so much for having me, jonathan. >> so what are you hearing about what congressman paul ryan may or may not do? is he going to get in this thing? >> all our sources right now are saying ryan is considering the position. right now it is down to conversations between paul ryan and his wife. all along he said -- the first comment he made was this is a

job for an empty nester. he has three small kids at home. it is because of the enormous fund-raisers that take the speaker away on the weekends. a job he didn't want to do because he has a young family at home. he is talking it over with his wife. he is certainly giving it thought. which is an enormous change which is what he said the last couple of weeks. >> he is spending time with his young children, someone who lost his father at a very young age. let's talk about the timetable. when does paul ryan have to make a decision on whether he is going to put himself up for the speakership? >> you know, john boehner told the conference yesterday that he would serve as long as he needed to serve. so he doesn't have a clear timetable. that being said, i do think he is going to have to decide probably in the next couple of weeks, if not this coming week. just because of the enormous public pressure that he is under. so i think we'll hear from him this coming week.

>> so everyone keeps talk building paul ryan as this miracle worker in the republican conference. can he actually bring the caucus together? >> right. you know, paul ryan, he is the undisputed intellectual leader of the republican party in congress. and he's been tested on the national stage as mitt romney's vice presidential nominee. i think we will have to see if he can bridge the divide between the middle of the republican congress and the house freedom kaub us. that's something we don't know if he can do and we'll see if he decides to step up for the job. >> let's bring in the panel this morning. joe watkins, pastor and former white house aide to george h.w. bush. michael, political consultant

and former adviser to senator chuck schumer. and susie kims. the house republican caucus is in utter disarray. how did we get to this point? let's take a look back and go back six months ago when this happened. >> i'm hitting the road to earn your vote because it's your time. and i hope you'll join me on this journey. >> hillary clinton announced her presidential campaign in april. and by may, the house had set up a select committee to investigate the attack on the american consulate in benghazi when clinton was secretary of state. fast forward to last week when congressman kevin mccarthy said this. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. >> those comments helped derail

mccarthy's bid to be the next speaker of the house on thursday. the plan was for john boehner to step down october 30th, one day after the house elected his successor. so now we face a house of representatives barreling towards two can't-miss deadlines. the less than a month away. congress must vote to raise the debt ceiling by november 5th. if not, congress sends the economy into a tailspin by shredding the full faith and credit of the united states. and by december 11th congress and the president need to agree on a budget in order to keep the government open. it's a high-stakes race for a republican-led congress who can't seem to agree on a speaker. does anyone seem nervous besides myself? joe, these are your folks. >> the hope is paul ryan will make a quick decision and positive decision that is, that is one that is in the best and of the country and certainly of the republican party.

he is somebody who can unify the party. i know it's a tough thing to ask somebody who has young kids. he loves his kids and his spouse. to take away time from them and to do it for the sake of the country. i think he is that patriotic kind of guy who will step up to the plate and do this. >> i think the bigger question is what paul ryan can do if he does decide to jump in, what he is willing to do to apiece the house freedom caucus. listen, the demands that they are making. they have circulated this question air. they have made kevin mccarthy answer to. they would ask paul ryan to answer to that would use precisely things like the government shutdown and debt ceiling down to get more of what they want, defunding obama care, defunding planned parenthood.

that is a bigger question in my mind how he brings the folks and keeping the deposit open and our credit in good faith. >> very big asks when you have a democrat in the white house who will never in a million years sign a bill with any of those things in it. i'm so wigged out about this calendar that i misspoke. it wasn't may of this year that benghazi committee was formed. it was may of 2014. but i'm still with wigged out. what's the chance of that? >> zero to none. but if it wasn't the comment on benghazi, they would have found something else to take issue with. they are putting a sugar coated veneer on a power play.

they said we need this to be a principle-driven conference instead of a power-driven conference. it is the tip of the spear. if it wasn't benghazi and slip up showing he wasn't ready for primetime, it would have been something else. calling it eye dee logically driven instead of power play to shape the message doesn't make it so. >> so their own person. this is the thing that gets me. so the freedom caucus wields all of this power. how many are there? 40. 40 people. they wield all this power. yet is there a member who has, one, put his or her name up for election and, two, who could actually get the speakership? eleana, if you have a response, jump in. >> at the end of the day what makes paul ryan so attractive

and so many people likes and respects him and he's not in somebody's hip pocket. he was mitt romney's running mate back in the 2012 cycle. so he's somebody that has the confidence of conservatives as well as moderate republicans. that is somebody we need this time. we need somebody to talk to everybody. >> i'm unclear if the concern is they haven't been playing hard enough baseball on issues that are their priorities, what have they been doing for the past two years? they want to get along less? i'm unclear as to what success looks like at the end of this. it is is not going to be rolling back obama care. >> suzy, i want to bring you into the new republic this week. they compared the speaker fight to "game of thrones." that guy always gets his head

chopped off. they persuaded had eupl im to t job and he gets his head chopped off. they love him now. the moment he gets into the job, he's toast. >> this is exactly -- in terms of what they have done or what -- where we have been is the fact that the reason that john boehner stepped down this time is that he wasn't willing to do that over planned parenthood. after he decided he announced he would be resigning, they pass a glean bill just to keep the government open for two months without defunding planned parenthood. that was really the thing that caused folks and conservatives to say, no, this is enough. >> at some point we have to go. but at some point won't the next speaker be forced to work with

democrats to just keep government functioning? leave aside ideology. but we're getting to the point where government doesn't function. >> yeah, i know. that's the hope. that's the reason why the outsiders are doing so well in the presidential cycle. the rest of the american public is so upset with the fact that the government can't get anything done, politicians can't agree. the job is an impossible one. it's like herding cats. it's really hard to do. once you take the job, you're probably not going to be popular with everybody. there are going to be folks mad at you all the time. at the end of the day paul ryan is probably the best shot of moving the government forward. >> eleana, what's the timetable here? >> i think we'll hear from ryan this coming week. i think it's a mistake to say it's a completely thankless job and everybody is destined to fail. it's not just the freedom caucus that has frustrations with

boehner. i think there is a pretty wide agreement that boehner wasn't a great speaker. there's genuine conservative -- for simply saying no to the obama administration and not providing alternatives to what the obama administration has put forward. he has been genuinely praised for and something boehner hasn't done. >> eliana, thank you. we'll see you in our next hour. >> thanks. turning now to the other republican race. donald trump expanding his political map this weekend making his first trip to georgia. he had been scheduled back in august for a gathering by the website red state until he was disinvited by erick erickson for that comment about megyn kelly. i read donald trump may be getting a visit from one of the most memorable figures from the

2012 election today? >> reporter: that's right. herman cain will be here. he led the field four years ago. during his outsider race for the republican party, excuse me, as you hear the band playing behind me. that's bill gentry. they will be entertaining the crowd here 20 miles north of atlanta. they're expecting 7,000 people here today. georgia is an important state, part of the super duper primary march 1st. they are one of the early voting states after the first four. mr. trump is expected to meet with a group of black pastors before. it will be a private meeting. so mr. trump is expanding the map with early state hires including here in georgia. >> anthony, you deserve combat pay. do you know the name of that band playing behind you? >> yeah. that's bill gentry. there's a six-piece band that will be entertaining this crowd. he's a large can country music artist here in georgia. so you will have is an important country music artist here from

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caribbean. they're watching you in europe. a black boy in rome, italy is turning on his television and looking at you and you have to wave at your brothers all over the planet and give them a big shoutout from washington, d.c. at the site of the million man march. that was the million man march in washington, d.c. back in 1995. already gathering to commemorate the march's 20th anniversary. the man behind the rally is the same man who put together the first event, louis farrakhan. it is a march of the failing education system, as well as the recent killings of unarmed black men by police. it is meant to include latinos, women, soldiers, and various ethnicities and groups. tremaine, i hope you can hear us. the theme is justice or else.

what do you think today's theme means to the organizers? >> of course it is is very loud down here. there are already thousands of people gathered here on the national mall. as you mentioned earlier, it's been 20 years. hard to imagine, two decades since the original million man march brought hundreds of thousands, a million black men to this mall. back then it was about atonement, community responsibility, be and about reconciling all the issues that were going on in the black community. it was the height of the crack epidemic. violence was spilling blood all across the streets. twenty years later it's different. this is about a call for justice or else. we are wrestling with this conversation wide police brutality and abuse against black men, unarmed black men already. already here as the sun was setting, you could see thousands

of people, members of the nation of islam, different church groups, families, men and women. what's different is last man it was specifically aimed at black men, a day of atonement, a day of reconciliation. now you have native american groups who have come from all across the country, hispanic, disenfranchised people across all demographics. there has been a bit of controversy. the idea of justice or else. so many people are asking what is that "or else" lieu wiewioui farrakhan said we are at a tipping point. how much longer can this happen. whether they are followers of

louis farrakhan, they are here to fellowship with other african-americans. i talked to three generations of one family. a young man who is 13 at the time of the original march. he came with his five siblings and his father. he is returning now with his father, but also his son. they say more than anything it's about unity. it's about strength. it's about showing the world that black people can come together and express themselves in love and peace, and unity and power. but, again, it's already early. and back behind me on the capitol steps, thousands of people, there are already people streaming from either direction. so it is shaping up to what many hope will be a beautiful day. the sun is shining. look around. there are families and children, members of the nation of islam in suits. they started off with a traditional prayer, a prayer for prisoners and others returning

home. last week the department of justice announced they would be releasing 6,000 prisoners who were disproportionately charged. thousands are descending pop the mall hoping for it to shape up to be another historic day. >> trymaine lee, thanks very much. is russia intensifies its military campaign. and next. waiting for biden. live to wilmington, delaware where the vice president is mulling one very big decision. stay with us. if a denture were to be

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briefed on the 2016 primary calendar and filing deadlines. those are the basic mechanics for running for president. and then the draft by the super pac releasing a controversial ad centered on the largic losses the family has experienced throughout his political career. after days a source close said biden hoped the new ad wouldn't air. he said nobody has more respect for the vice president and his family than we do. obviously we will honor his wishes. putting all of that aside, biden has not raised a single campaign dollar. and his support in the polls draws primarily from hillary clinton's pool of voters. ron allen is live for us in wilmington, delaware. ron? >> reporter: well, i wish i could sort is all of that out for you, jonathan. there are clues. there are false clues. the only person who knows what he is going to do is joe biden.

and maybe his wife and member of his family who are very close to him. a as you know, this is a very emotional decision for him. he's a guy who has suppressed this very openly, very publicly that he is still very much grief stricken by the loss of his son. and he is trying to determine whether he has the fortitude, emotional fortitude to do this. so there's that huge consideration. and you're right. there are also a lot of other considerations as well. a lot of tea leaves to read, which can be read in many different ways. for example, he is not participating in the democratic debate this tuesday. that could be a sign he's not. but he is someone who has run for president a couple times before. he has been in the political fame for many decades. so he may not need to get in as soon. the meetings that were supposedly had with his satisfy and the dnc earlier this week is say he knows how to run for president. so was that significant or not? at this point, maybe we will

learn something this weekend, maybe we won't. obviously this is joe biden's decision to make. >> ron allen, thank you. if biden decides not to run, clinton will likely hold her commanding lead over senator bernie sanders. but if biden gets in, clinton's support drops by 13% according to analysis in polls. they would fight for older, moderate democrats as well as people of color who biden would need to attract for any hope of winning in south carolina, nevada, and southern super tuesday states. panel, throw this open to you. you heard in ron's report. i mean, it's sort of a tortured process here, the signs that it looks like vice president biden will jump in, signs that vice president biden won't jump in. do you think he's going to get in, suzy?

>> i think that -- i wouldn't be surprised if he did. i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. there is a bigger question which is what kind of candidate is he going to be? his policy differences with hillary clinton while they exist on public policy and so forth they are small. he can't distinguish himself eye dee logically the same a way bernie sanders has been able to do. i was speaking to a source from the effort and his pitch to me was, listen, joe biden is likable. he can pitch himself as a bipartisan deal maker. he has friends in the senate. but that doesn't seem to be the kind of moment we're in right now, the idea we will have a consensus. that leaves him with the option that he is more trust worthy than hillary. is he going to go negative in terms of the e-mail scandal. that can get very messy very quickly. >> you mentioned there are very

few policy differences between the two of them. the one area where there are is foreign policy. peter baker in the "new york times" had a story where a biden run would expose differences with hillary clinton. he warned against -- well, vice president biden warned against a raid in pakistan that resulted in the killing of obama bin laden. he urged that they wait for more intelligence. hillary clinton was a prime advocate for arming and training opposition forces in syria, a push colleagues didn't remember him joining. and in recent days she came out against the trans pacific partnership. those are huge differences there. >> if i were joe bide especially, i would say why not? why wouldn't he run? given his age, given the fact that he has run before. given the fact that he just spent eight years as the vice president to president obama. why would he not run for the

presidency now? would it not be the wish of his late son? he is still getting over the untimely death of his son beau biden. but what would be the reason for him not to run? >> we see the freedom caucus taking over control of who will be the next speaker. how much are they going to drive the conversation. i think a biden candidacy would perhaps move things more to the middle of the road both on domestic policy and on issues of trade. and we see hillary opposing the recent trade deal in order to sort of present herself better in the left wing. >> do you think -- given what you just said, who is more electable? does that argue for biden or does that argue for clinton? >> i believe that you govern and you wing and you succeed by

being in the middle. you could be a little middle left, a little middle right. there is also an issue of gender. we talk about who is more electable. we are walking in a minefield here. and i see moderate democrats in the midwest. >> it's interesting you raise that. there is a town hall in new hampshire. do we have that sound? let's play that and then come back. persuade you at all? >> she did persuade me. i have seen her more than once. she's grit, no doubt about it. again, i think people -- they are so emotional about who they vote for they may not vote for her simply because of the baggage she carries. and biden does not carry much baggage. he is very easy to be with. he doesn't have is to try hard to be likable. and she -- i think when you're one on one with her or a small group, she's great.

but i think a lot of people have been turned off by her because of her persona. she has to work at it. he doesn't. >> a chance for a woman to be elected president, does that bother you? >> i think the thing is to elect an electable democrat. and i think he is more electable. >> that was the bite we were trying to get to. how do you respond to what she was saying? >> i think the electorate is stressed out. they're tired. there is fatigue about being stressed out, worried. we just had the first african-american president. is the country ready to embrace the first female president, or do they need a calming influence in someone they know, they can trust, and are comfortable around. and i worry that's not fair. but i do worry that's a bit of it out there.

>> i think democrats are spooked too easily. they freak out over any negative piece of news. but that's just me. one of the things in the first bite we showed from the woman being interviewed by andrea mitchell at that town hall is when she said joe biden doesn't have the baggage that hillary clinton has. and i heard that and i was like are you sure? >> i mean, pieces of this are going to come out. but they would definitely be way in the forefront if he actually jumped in the race. look at what joe biden did in terms of having a crackdown on the criminal justice system. he in fact, played a big role in the discrepancies between crack and cocaine in the 1990s. he supported nafta, welfare reform. as feminists have pointed out, he's pro life and hasn't been the strongest on women's issues.

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strategy on two different fronts in the middle east. first, afghanistan where the president is considering a proposal that would keep close to 5,000 troops there beyond 2016. this coming as afghan security forces struggle to regain territory lost in kunduz to the taliban. as defense secretary ash carter said the rapid troop withdrawal in afghanistan that began nearly two and a half years ago will need to be readjusted. all of this coming one week after a usair strike destroyed a hospital run by doctors without borders and killed 22 people in kunduz province. next, syria. on friday, the pentagon announced it would end its $500 million program to train and equip syrian rebels. the defense department will will instead provide equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units.

this as russia ramps up its aggressive military campaign against bashar al assad. join us is mark kim it for political military affairs. general, thank you very much for being here this morning. >> sure. >> with regard to afghanistan, the pentagon program was supposed to put thousands of fighters on the ground but they only trained four or five people. four or five people. what do you think went wrong here? >> well, first of all, i think you're referring to syria, not to afghanistan. >> okay. >> but in the case of syria, i think it was very clear. the u.s. government was half-hearted about the program to start with and put such severe restrictions on the training program. they had to be vetted, they had to pledge they wouldn't fight assad, only isis.

and we wouldn't put u.s. personnel on the ground either as advisers or ground troops or spotters. that the policy was inconsistent to start from and a failure in the long run. >> and sticking with syria. i apologize for that mistake. secretary ash carter said this week that russia will ultimately pay a price for the air strikes that they are doing in syria. here's a bit of what he said. let's take a look now. >> they have initiated a joint ground offensive with the syrian regime, shattering the facade that they are there to fight isil. this will have consequences for russia itself. and i also expect that in coming days the russians will begin to suffer casualties in syria. >> general, what's going on with that comment? what's he talking about here? >> well, i think he is explaining the rationale for why we were unwilling to do it.

look, the fact remains that the russians came in because there was a vacuum inside the country. and to a great were extent in our area, the eastern portion of syria, there is a vacuum. the russians are very clear. they're not necessarily about propping up assad. they are about maintaining a central government inside of syria that doesn't fall and turn syria inside a rebel-held 40-group organization that will resemble somalia and not a unified state. so i think what secretary carter is really trying to do is rationalize why the u.s. is not doing more. >> isn't that the key here? one, they're an ally. but, two, it's right on their border. the russians are afraid of having a failed state right there where you will have militants who could stream across the border and cause trouble in russia. >> well, i think it's a number of reasons. first, exact there's as you

said. second, they have the port of they have operated out of many years. it gives them a presence on the mediterranean. third, it takes the pressure off the criticism going against ukraine. president putin is taking advantage of the united states. he sees a vacillating leadership inside the country. he wants to promote his own view of the world and russia has a super power. his domestic audience loves his policies. >> very good point there on ukraine. thank you very much former brigadier general kimmitt. >> sure. i'll ask if there's any way congressman paul ryan will take on the role of speaker. next, it's a big day for one of the most famous and beloved pets. details ahead. stay with us. nobody told me to expect it... ...intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes. it's not likely to go away on its own.

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donald trump, who never fails to disappoint in three at rings and performance had a super fan show up at his campaign event in las vegas. i'm laughing because i have seen it. just play the clip. >> we vote for mr. trump! yes! mr. trump, we love you! we love you all the way to the white house! >> i mean, it's like she won the showcase "the price is right." this whole thing has rendered everybody speechless. i said this cannot be real. this is real. this is happening. the one topic that has completely stumped the panel.

>> yeah. i was actually at a latino festival in leesburg, virginia. an hour outside washington, d.c. i'll tell you that they were not expressing the sentiment this morning. they weren't following politics very closely. they didn't align themselves with either party. they are pretty united in their disdain for mr. trump. >> hatred and disdain? >> really, the sentiment was so strong and so clear across all sort of ages, all sort of political affiliations. it was really universal. so anyway, that sort of explains my own speechlessness at this clip. you know, he has his folks out there. >> we were talking on the break. i'm moving to toronto if he is elected president. everything is in french.

great baseball team. lovely city. i have been at a loss for a couple months now on tv and writing. how to explain this. and it's a side show. >> it's a side show. it is a car wreck. it is all those things. and we all keep watching. we have two more things that we have to get to. pizza rat. pizza gets pizza jacked. even the rats are fighting over it. check out this video. look at this. watch. it's my pizza. taking the pizza. watch this. here it comes, here it comes. no. i'm taking my pizza back. no. mine. >> i feel the same way. new york pizza is so delicious. i wouldn't go down under the track, to the subway. >> why not? our rats are hungry.

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of turkey. an explosion at a peace rally in its capital city, leaving 47 dead. an update in just a minute. >> also this hour, republican lawmakers scramble to find a leader with some major legislative challenges just around the corner. we'll get the inside scoop from a republican congressman >> the summer of trump that never ends. donald trump maintaining his lead. even his friendliest competitors are preparing for battle. a massive military parade in north korea after that leader says they are fully ready to defend itself against the united states. >> what awaits the nation's high court? all of that still ahead this hour. but first breaking news out of turkey where two explosions near a peace rally killed 47 people. and the death toll may climb even higher. more than 120 others were hurt in the blasts. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel has

the latest from istanbul in western turkey. >> reporter: jonathan, the people at this peace rally were young people, student leaders, people from trade unions, intellectuals. they were gathering in ankara. many had just come from the main train station in ankara. the numbers were starting to grow when suddenly two massive explosions went off. the death toll has been rising all day. the latest official figures say is at least 30 killed. more than 120 injured. some of the injured were carried away in the same peace banners that they had brought to the demonstration. the timing of this is very expense issive and suspicious in fact. there were key elections in turkey in just three weeks. most of the people at this rally are not supporters of the government. they want the deposit to stop the violence that has been going on here particularly between government troops and kurdish militant groups.

that is why they were attending this peace a rally. they say the government didn't do enough to protect them. the government has -- because of the timing, the government has suspended some of its election campaigning and convened emergency meetings. but this is an important attack for turkey. it comes at a sensitive time. and there are many different suspects. >> thank you. turning to our top story this hour. insurgency ripping apart the republican party coming to a dramatic head this week. on thursday, a faction of house conservatives torpedoed the bid for john boehner. nbc's kristen welker joins us live from the white house. kristen, thanks for coming on. what is going on here? >> reporter: that is the

question everyone has this morning, jonathan. good morning. stunned members of congress are trying to regroup away from washington. most of them home this holiday weekend. and the name is probably congressman paul ryan. but it is not clear that ryan wants the job. with house republicans leaving town without a leader, all eyes are now on congressman paul ryan. the consensus candidate who top republicans want to be the next speaker of the house. >> right now i just want to make it home for dinner. >> reporter: the father of three has consistently said he's not interested. content with his position in the powerful ways and means committee for tax law. >> what an absolute privilege and honor it is to chair this committee. >> reporter: he would have a lot of support among opponents. >> of course i would surprise him. >> great speaker. >> i think paul ryan is the right person to do this.

>> reporter: the more conservative branch isn't totally on board. >> i'm not committing to anything at this point. >> reporter: this comes after mccarthy shocked everyone. he dismissed rumors that a whisper campaign led to his ousting. any candidate for leadership who committed misdeeds should drop from the race. although he did not name mccarthy. mccarthy said that had nothing to do with his decision. >> no. come on >> reporter: the chaos comes as the house is facing a long to-do list. raising the debt limit or face default. a house divided but seem to go agree on one point. >> i think people want to get it right rather than do it too fast. >> reporter: ryan even took a call from his former running mate mitt romney who encouraged him to run. john boehner said he will stay on until an election for his

replacement. we are watching closely. jonathan. >> thank you. now amid all of this chaos, cob conservative republicans are saying not to worry. their party will only emerge stronger. >> kevin made a selfless sacrifice for the good of the constitution and good of the conservative movement. you will see the party more unified than it has ever been before. >> the establishment wing of the republican party is issuing dire warnings. >> it is chaos. and it is. >> if we have a meltdown in the house, we can't govern the house, then it is is going to hurt our chances to win in 2016. >> if this turmoil continues, i can surely understand why people would wonder what's going on in the republican party. that's straight talk. >> joining me now the congressman from wisconsin who left the house freedom caucus which led the charge against

mccarthy's bid for house speaker. thank you very much for being here. >> jonathan, i'm happy to be with you. thank you. >> so, congressman, why did you leave the freedom caucus? >> well, i was with the freedom caucus right from the beginning. and our original ideas were to shape the process inside the house of representatives. how legislation advances to the floor. and then to help move policy forward that represented our values. when the speaker left and they pivoted towards the leadership races, for me i didn't want to vote on bloc with the leadership. i want them to hold my card, not any particular group within the conference. >> another congressman, mclintock, also left the freedom

caucus. are others planning on leaving the freedom caucus? >> i don't think so. they are looking at our entire conference and looking at the republican house and making decisions on their own as to what would be best for them, their constituents and ultimately the party. you try to leverage as much influence as you can. listen, it's not just the freedom caucus. 70 wrote speaker boehner a letter saying they won't for any omnibus that won't break on the defense. they are pooling together all the time. this is not unusual. >> you know, one of the things the freedom caucus is trying to get done is procedural changes, which they say -- well, a lot of people are saying would weaken house leadership. and i'm just wondering won't these changes make it even harder for republicans to governor in the house? >> well, the changes are simple.

they want the rules forced to every single member. if you work on a piece of legislation and you get 150 or 200 co-sponsors, there is no tkpwaeurp tee it will get a markup in committee or even brought to the floor of the house. while a bill with no co-sponsors can move right to the floor. and all really members are asking for is an order or system of rules that are applied fairly to every single member. and that's really what they're looking for. >> kevin mccarthy, when he dropped out of the speak isser race, said he was staying on asthma skwrort leader. is that acceptable to you and to the freedom caucus? it. >> was certainly acceptable to me. i was supporting kevin mccarthy to move up to speaker. it is fine to stay asthma skwrort leader. most of the mechanics feel he has done a did job. he has been inclusive.

many would say he has been a good majority leader. they were uncomfortable with him as speaker. the roles are very different. but i think they will be totally fine with remit mccarthy as a majority leader. >> thank you very much for spending your morning with us and taking your time. >> good to be with you, jonathan. and the panel is back. i want to talk about this, former republican aide joe watkins, michael tobman, and suzy khimm. not wonderful enough to be speaker. >> it has to be somebody everybody can trust. it doesn't mean he will be successful getting everything done that the different factions want to see done. but he is somebody everybody

feels they can work with and they have tremendous confidence anymore. you remember, though, when it comes to politics, all politics are local. that's why you heard this congressman say at the end of the day i'm going to take a pass because i have to be concerned with my district and the best interest of my district. ultimately, that's what it comes down to for every member of congress. >> there is one thing that stood out in terms of what the congress was saying. he originally joined the house freedom caucus because he and others wanted procedural reforms. to be able to bring certain amendments, certain legislation to the floor. and that was really what i heard from congressman hal stamm. he called boehner a dictator in terms of the way he was going over the conference. he would threaten committee seats and so forth if members went out of line. but these are exactly the kind of procedures that would also

lead to certain kinds of blinksmanship over the debt ceiling, over funding the government on a basic level. i don't think so you can separate out the demands from some of the procedural changes they want to see. although there are some things that could be done, they say, just to make the process more democratic without leading to those kind of things. >> they say they want to make the process more democratic. when i hear them say that, what i hear is we want votes on what we want. and we want it to go our way. >> that is exactly what i was going to say. >> i'm glad i'm not the only cynic. >> i'm just realistic here. >> yes, exactly. what they want is what they want. the next speaker will find a way, even implementing rules reform and process reform, to advance their priorities and to keep the chaos to a simmer rather than a rolling boil. legislatures need strong leadership to negotiate

successfully with an executive and with the senate with a different tradition and history. what they are saying is we want what we want. and they are taking an opportunity to make themselves more than they are collectively. that's fine. but like the congressman ribble said, the only person he wants holding his card are the voters back home. nobody is going home to their district and hearing about rules reform. it doesn't come up. >> absolutely. >> it's a sugar coating on something they want. >> suzy, you said john boehner was acting like a dictator and taking away committee assignments. that's what a speaker does. >> they will go out and say we want to change what the speaker does. we want to reduce his power. we want to have more power. i think they would say, no, the members deserve more power. we deserve to have our legislation -- if that means shutting down the deposit over planned parenthood, they are

willing to do that. >> it is a style over substance here. that's why congressman ryan is so important. the style as well as the substance. >> this is what every legislature and every large slater has a strong leadership. we have this clamor for rules reform. wherever you have a strong speaker ulle have this back bench. it will be interesting to see in the freedom caucus. i think relatively new members. >> yeah. >> they are just sitting there talk building when they get their say. >> i'm just wondering about what point does the republican conference realize that it has a responsibility to governor versus it has a responsibility to themselves to keep themselves happy. >> i really thought after the

main line, be mainstream establishment republicans wanted a majority in the senate as resoundingly as they did showing acumen and political polish and we could put this behind us. it emboldened them to say we are not like them and we have to contrast ourselves from these folks. >> the one thing about congressman paul ryan is that as much as some conservatives are talking him up, he was willing to be pragmatic. he struck a deal with senator patty murray to avoid the threat of a government shutdown we are seeing right now. the question is whether that pragmatism is still acceptable to conservatives. >> i'm so glad you brought that up and reminded everybody that paul ryan is a pra gmatist. if he becomes speaker, we will

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>> i want to just start by saying kevin mcdearth is out. you know that, right? i said you really need someone very, very tough and smart. smart goes with tough. i know tough people. they're not smart. that's the worst.

it is dead lamb in washington, bedlam. it's a mess. i have never seen anything like it. >> it's easy to forget that tensions stretch over to the republican race for president where outsider donald trump still maintains his healthy lead over his establishment counterparts. we are about three months from the iowa caucus us in the latest nbc news/wall street poll has trump ahead by five there, which mirrors his status nationally. polls have him leading ben carson by six. eliana, we are well beyond trump being a summer fling. it's cold outside, but the party seems to be cuddling up with the guy. >> he is not a summer fling. who knows how long his rise will last. he plateaued. he was once over 30% in the polls. since the republican debate in

september, his support has declined. he leveled off at around 25%. and i think you can see that that's about his ceiling of support. and ted cruz, interesting enough, who has cozied up to him, has honed in on this and said donald trump is not going to be the nominee. cruz is realizing the trump support has leveled off. and he can perhaps now eat into some of that support. and cruz said trump won't be the nominee. and a lot of his supporters will hop over to cruz. >> ted cruz will be on rita cosby's radio show tomorrow. but the show released some of the sound from that interview. you and the panel. >> in time, the lion share is of his supporters end up with us. the reason is if you look to the records of all the republican

candidates there's a big difference between my record and that of everyone else. if you ask who has stood up to washington, who has taken on not just democrats but taken on leaders in their own party, republican leadership. >> this is really interesting. ted cruz had donald trump in a bear hug homing trump would implode and all his supporters would come over to him. that's not happening. now he is attacking donald trump. we have all seen what happened to people who attack donald trump. >> donald trump attacks back. no doubt about it. for anybody who thought he was just a fluke, he has been able to retain his standing in the polls as a leader. number one and number two. back in july he was number two. then he surged into the leadership. and managed to retain it. i think that if he has serious enough ground game in iowa and new hampshire you have to consider he has the chops to win

the party nomination. >> you're talking donald trump here? >> trump. you can't take it for granted. he spent less money on media and campaign. $2 million to date. because he is taking advantage of free media because of the statements he made. he is a very, very smart guy. if he has the ground game to go with the publicity, he will be tough to beat in iowa and new hampshire. >> is this a sign that ted cruz is probably in trouble? >> i actually think that ted cruz feels like he is now in a place where he might not be able to get all of trump supporters as he is claiming now, but at least enough to put them together with some other portions of the republican base to gain some momentum. i was at the value voters summit a few weeks ago where you had religious conservatives. this is a really key demographic and key constituency for ted

cruz. his supporters were all over the place there. really the question is who can get enough support behind enough different little slices of the republican base to gain momentum, to show some sort of bump in the polls, which is what he is going for right now. >> going for a bump in the polls. but it's not hurting when it comes to fund-raising. ted cruz -- do we have that chart? he has $12 million raised in this third quarter and almost $30 million raised overall. wherever he is in the polls, he has staying power. >> money raised doesn't mean you will do well, perform well. jeb bush raised over $100 million. and he's had some challenges in the race. donald trump has spent less. he is a billionaire. he spent less than the others. he has performed extremely well in the polls. raising money, it's going to be hard for ted cruz to break out

of the single digits. >> real fast and then i have to go to eliana. >> when the voters are in the booth and they need to decide between a brash, successful real estate developer or a party stallworth who shares policy ideas, we'll have to see how that goes. right now it is all fluff. >> eliana, i will end on you. are they going to side with the billionaire or the die-hard conservative out here on capitol hill who is fighting the fight? >> i think eventually you will see donald trump decline, ted cruz rise. this is a different campaign season for republicans where actually they don't have a strong or presumptive establishment nominee. jeb bush has been weaker than anticipated. they have a wealth of choice. it should be interesting. >> yes, it will.

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this was first and foremost a show of strength. of troops, of tanks, of planes, of missiles. the pentagon will be looking at these pictures trying to work out are there any long-range missiles here they haven't seen before. remember, this is an army that regards the united states as enemy number one. this was not just a display of mass loyalty. it was also a defiant message to america. don't mess with us. don't try to stop us from developing the nuclear missiles we believe are our sovereign right. that is exactly what the united states is trying to do. because north korea has a nuclear capability at the moment. but not, we believe, the means to deliver a nuclear war head to the american mainland. they also heard from the podium up there, the supreme leader, kim jong-un addressed the crowd. he had a message of defines.

he said our policies are driving the united states into a dilemma and into a corner. and it is my firm intention to continue strengthening the army. you can possibly hear the army chanting behind me right now. this celebration of the 70th anniversary of the ruling communist party isn't over. although still raining here, the celebrations will go on. there will be fireworks, although they might be slightly dampened. there is enthusiasm not only of the army but the north korean people. there was almost mass hysteria as they saw their leader on the platform. they were crying, weeping, and almost dancing for joy. no doubt their loyalty. the celebrations here will go on for some hours to come. pyongyang, north korea. back to you. bill, thank you.

an update on the deadly bombings in turkey. bombings have now killed at least 86 people. turkey's health minister updated the death toll minutes ago. two bombs exploded in a peace rally in ankara. more than 180 people were also hurt. no one has claimed responsibility yet for the a attack. we will continue to update this story as we learn more. still ahead, some of the highly contentious cases the supreme court will hear in the coming weeks. >> next, one of kevin mccarthy's democratic colleagues in the house who knows them from their days in the california essentially is here to give us insight on the man who will not be peeker. stay with us. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet... ...served my country... ...carried the weight of a family... ...and walked a daughter down the aisle. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain.

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one of his democratic colleagues then, the state assembly speaker, is now a colleague on capitol hill. congresswoman karen bass. and she joins us now to shine some light on kevin mccarthy's legislative style. congresswoman bass, thank you very much for being up with us from los angeles even. i have to ask you, from your experience, kevin mccarthy, was he willing to work with democrats when you were together in the california assembly? >> yes. he was definitely willing to work with democrats. democrats definitely had the majority. so he had to. and i think what has happened is quite ironic. when kevin was in congress, one of his first assignments was to recruit republicans to run. so i think it's really sad. because it seems like some of the ones that have turned on him are the ones that he was also helpful in them winning their elections to congress. >> how has he evolved from his time in the california assembly

to his time in the house of representatives? have you seen a change? >> no. i actually think he's been pretty consistent. he was very deliberate when he was in sacramento about building relationships. he was well thought of. very friendly guy, well lyinged. he systematically built relationships in sacramento and he did the same in washington, d.c. so i think he has been consistent. however, the politics in d.c. are so extreme, i definitely see him as more conservative than he was in california. but i think he had to be that way, especially serving in the role as whip. >> what's interesting is in all the conversations about congressman paul ryan they have been centered around the fact that he is a policy guy. he was house ways and means, budget chairman before that. when you hear the discussions about kevin mccarthy, it all focuses on personal style. you were just talking about his

ability to get along with people. has that been -- it is one thing to be able to get along with people. but is that a detriment, something that's bad for someone like kevin mccarthy? >> well, i think they are certainly using that against him. but if you think about his role as whip, the purpose and the job of a whip is to collect votes and to make sure legislation passes. so you are not often working on your own legislation. now i have worked with mccarthy on legislation. we worked together on legislation related to foster care, as well as sex trafficking. and he was instrumental in making sure ta that legislation got through. so i think one of the big differences is that he has not been a committee chair. given that your tenure in congress is so long, i think paul has always been known as a policy man and kevin has not chaired a committee. so maybe he didn't have the opportunity to develop policy in the same way paul did.

>> nbc has a report out, could the black caucus leverage votes in race for the speaker? and one of the things that is in here, it could come down to third or fourth ballot where the congressional black caucus, you can correct me on the number, i think it's 46 members. they could be a bloc that could determine who the next speaker is. who would the cbc be looking for? >> i will tell you i can say pretty comfortable the cbc will be voting for nancy pelosi as speaker. >> any of you have -- suzy, did you have a question for karen bass? >> yeah. one thing i was wondering about is how successful you think mccarthy had been as whip? one of the things that kind of struck me was he was whip at points in which boehner, in an attempt to ease conservatives in the caucus, would try to push

some last-minute deal through. but would end up falling apart. they would end up having to go over and get democrats to go over and get a fiscal cliff deal, to be able to keep the government open and so on and so forth. i just wonder how do you think he has been. >> having served as the job as speaker and listening to your earlier conversation, i think speaker boehner was relatively weak. i think he should have started from a premise of we're going the get legislation passed. if we need democratic votes to do it, that's what we're going to do. so that whole premise of the hafter rule, which he dismissed himself from, i think were too soft to begin with. i would think in the opposite way. they should have been much more hard lined. that has to come from the speaker, not the whip. >> one more question, all the focus is on paul ryan. one, do you think he would jump

in and become speaker? how well do you think he would do? >> well, i think it's a real interesting question. my own opinion, and i don't know this from talking to him, i think he has presidential ambitions. and i think if you have presidential ambition, you don't want to settle yourself with being speaker. you have to make tough decisions and you make enemies. and you know some of the real conservatives have said they're unhappy with him on his stance on immigration and his budget deal. so i'm not really sure they wouldn't eat him alive the way they have eaten kevin alive and boehner. >> and on that note, congresswoman karen bass, thank you very much for being on. >> thank you for having me on. still ahead, bernie sanders tells his thoughts on hillary clinton and how he plans to address her in the first big debate now three days away. a preview of that coming up. next, a new supreme court term coming up.

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the supreme court began its new term just a few months after it upheld obama care. we can anticipate more fireworks from the nation's highest court during this in term two. the court is expected to tackle a number of hot topics, the contraception mandate, affirmative action at universities. and for a preview of what's to come, buzz feed. thanks very much for coming in. >> thank you, jonathan. >> pete williams says we could expect big victories for court conservatives. do you agree with with that? what's on the docket? >> as we learned last time, as the year goes on, the term gets more and more interesting. last year, when the term started in october, we didn't yet have

the obama care case or the marriage case. this year we have a similar situation where we expect that we are going to get another obama care case relating to -- they already heard the case about whether or not for-profit companies had -- how they had to handle the contraception mandate. now there's cases going up about how non-profit companies, who have is an exception to the contraception mandate, whether the exception is too much of a burden on their religious interests. and then there's always questions out of texas. and so both of those cases, the court hasn't said which of several different cases in both of those areas that they are going to take. but most of us expect they are

going to take at least one case in both of those areas. >> any idea as to what the court might do on the issue of affirmative action? >> no. we don't know. what happened, the case, it's still abigail fisher's case out of the university of texas austin that the court heard a few years ago and what they said then was the appeals court basically didn't analyze the issues closely enough and didn't apply the standard properly when examining what ut's motives were and their interest for the program. now the fifth circuit reviewed the case again and again upheld the affirmative action policy. and abigail fisher brought the case back to the court. and the court this spring said, yeah, we'll take it again. that obviously has people in

support of the policy pretty concerned about whether the court is going to either limit affirmative action policies further in higher education or potentially get rid of them altogether. >> and over the past several years we have seen fewer and fewer cases by the supreme court are having the final say on a lot of very serious issues. so we are seeing a continuation of this. we are only going to hear the broadest issues and the broadest cases and not get into technical fixes that will lead more and more different circuits around the country? >> i think when you look through the docket you see there's erisa cases about tax laws. there is a case relating to iran and banking in iran.

there are lots of cases that go into the nitty-gritty of specific details. overall, the court's docket, as it gets smaller and smaller, there are fewer issues that are able to be resolved by the supreme court. >> chris, we're going to have to leave it there. mad props on your tie. i like your tie. thank you very much for being here. just ahead, what one college student experienced when new york police commissioner bill bratton caught her smoking a joint on a new york city street. can't wait tore this. the details are next.

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hillary clinton and i have known her for 25 years as a friend, but we have real differences of opinions. i do not have a super pack. i don't want the billionaire class, i don't represent corporate america. i have been firm in my open six to disastrous trade agreements. i know what i stand for. hillary clinton knows what she stands for, let's have that debate. >> that's with reference al sharpton it will be on tomorrow morning at 8:00 on snbc. it's all personally, not policy here. >> that's definitely what bernie, from having talked to bern fisupporters, that's exactly why they're supporting him for the reasons he is pointing out. his stand against politics, ehis ideological opposition to wall street handouts. >> that sort of. . you've seen hillary move left. you saw her reject the trade agreement, reject the cadillac tax, which the labor unions have

been a posed to. >> the keystone pipeline. >> these are differences that both hillary and bernie will embrace. she is getting more to the left. i don't think she is trying to get to the left of bernie. that's not where she sees her case in the general election. >> it's symptomattic with the clinton candidacy. whether she prevails in getting the nomination or not. this point is besides the point that people are talking about issues that she just simply cannot embrace. se cannot go as far left as sanders is insisting she go on these issues. >> i mean, the. we have to remember, though, it's not like bernie sanders is a big d democrat. she's a socialist. >> in new hampshire, he's close in iowa and leading in new hampshire. the first caucus, the first primary. i mean, these, this is a huge statement. >> there is no back tracking. he doesn't need to triangulate

and reposition himself. he is sincere and holy, himself, i believe people, especially those dedisposed to agreeing with him. they're excited about his candidacy. >> that's for sure. he has thousands upon thousands of people showing up. >> our coverage is trump ramallies. >> that is true. >> let's turn to new york magazine, police physicianer bill bradley snatches a joint from a woman in the street. throws it in the sewer. he recalls as he was leaving a meeting, he smelled marijuana nearby and spotted the perp, a college students, it was toetd on her way to class and suggested to the student who recognized him quote that she might have a better academic day without being high. >> good for him. good for him. >> he believes marijuana has led to an increase in the murder rate.

it is a huge factor to spike up violent crime. i think that may be going far. to me this seems like a throwback to -- that kind of sentiment, though. >> i don't know that i agree, it's a nice new york city moment i suppose the police commissioner would have tackled the perpetrator and handcuffed her and that would have been news well, you know on that point, those though he could have arrested her, he refrained from doing so. >> so we have less than a minute left t. huffington post, climate change, this year's pumpkin crop, the canned food industry expects pumpkin yields to be down as much as half due to high rain quality in illinois where 85% of pumpkins consumed in the u.s. are grown. i would argue there is a pumpkin shortage. there is pumpkin everything, pumpkin spice lattes, this, that smr sweet potato pie.

that the answer. that's the answer. sweet potato pie. >> instead of pumpkin pie, sweet potato pie. >> i could never tell the difference between the two. >> there is a difference and sweet potato spy good. >> thank you to the panel today on sweet potato pie. andhank you for getting up with us today, join us tomorrow morning sunday at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. coming up next, melissa harris-perry. have a great saturday.

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