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harris-perry. yesterday, president obama traveled to roseburg, oregon, to meet privately with families of the victims of the umpqua community shooting, where nine people, plus the shooter were killed and nine more were injured last thursday when a heavily armed gunman opened fire on students in classes. ooem even as the president was preparing to depart for the pacific northwest. media outlets were reporting one student was dead and three more injured in an overnight shooting at northern arizona university in flag staff. now this arizona shooting seems to be unlike the one in on the groundful early reports suggest the shooting began as a confrontation between student groups that turn deadly, when an 18-year-old freshman produced a gun and began shooting. unlike oregon, except, one person again was dead and the weapon used to kill was a gun and then even more incredibly,

before noon yesterday, came report of yet another campus shooting. one person was killed, another wounded near a student housing complex for texas southern university, prompting the school to can sell class and lock down campus. this incident seems to be different tan the other two. this time police detained two people for questioning who were still seeking a third. different except for again a person is dead and the weapon again ask a gun. 12 dead, eight days, three campuses. the weapons each time guns now i can remember when enough time passed between these tragedies that the public would absorb the names of the towns an sear them into our memory. columbine, virginia tech, sandy hook. but now the gun violence, the mass killings, they seem to happen with such ferocious regularity that we barely register the location of the most recent brutality.

ft. hood, tucson, aurora, oak creek. east lavista, charleston. and now, the public response seems routine, news reports and an otherwise dull news cycle, watching, we shake our heads in disbelief. we take to social media to express our outrage to offer our prayers, then we return to our ordinary daily lives. and maybe this is best. because gun violence is absolutely ordinary in america. take last year in chicago, more than 2,000 people were shot in that one city in one year alone. more than a quarter million americans have died by guns in the past decade. for young people, the rick is particularly acute, in part, because suicide is the second most common cause of death for young people age 15 to 34 an guns are the most common and

effective weapon of suicide and for women the risk is particularly acute because the presence of a gun in a home increases the risk of homicide in a domestic violence situation by 500% for women. as a public, we seem to barely notice as our fellow citizens died in gunshots inflicted by themselves or their beloved or strangers on city streets and campus classrooms and holy sanctuarys, this it seems is our new normal. except president obama is not going to accept the number of deaths. perhaps it's the eulogys, the number of times he's been called to the podium to address the mass shooting. maybe it's a father sending daughters off to college. but in the after math of the oregon massacre, president obama struck a very different tone, one that insists on action. >> when you decide to vote for

somebody, on making a determination as to whether is this cause of continuing death for innocent people should be a relevant factor in your decision. if you think this is a problem, then you should expect your elected officials to reflect your views and each time this happens, i'm going to bring this up. each thyme this happens, i am going to say we can actually do something about it but we have to change our lives. >> now, few share the president's invisible frustration, the weariness, the sense that nothing can change, welcome to the struggle. now, i get it. we want to see things change, we want to see them change now. after all, repeat decades have awarded us with stunning examples of political change. i seen the berlin wall crumble.

nelson mandela go freesh become elected president. i stood in awe elected a plaque pan president. twice. i had the privilege to report in the moment when the supreme court declared marriage equality the law of the land. not get ready to embrace the mant him of middle age. i have witnessed beth taking change in my lifetime. i understand it's linear and swift and why it's unwilling to change in the loss of such tragedy is baffling and maddening, but swift clang is a mirage. in a history focusing on the final moments of battle when victory is finally at hand. for example, we think of the civil rights movement beginning in 1955 in montgomery, alabama and completeing its work in 1965 with the passage of the voting rights act. whoohoo. it took one decade to change america. look more carefully. can you see dre the scott told

he has no right. homer pless i, you can see people throughout the south crushed in the early 1,900s. the civil rights movement didn't take ten years to change america. it took closer to 110 years t. moveth remains today. they remain fragile. fighting, fame failing. this is what we do. the struggle continues. no one promised us that our part of the struggle would be the part to enjoy for victory. our efforts may fail and fail and fail. but those failures do not absolve us of responsible to tried and right now in our country, our fellow sids are dying and they are dying in part because guns are too plentiful, too easily obtained and too deadly. they are dying in part because we have not made the choices to make to limit the number, the access and the sheer killing of

american firearms. we are failing. but that does not mean we are allowed to look away to fall silent or to cease trying to make change. christina taylor green was 9-years-old when she went to see gabby gifford. he was 9-years-old. she was already an enthusiastic school girl interested in politics to meet her relationship and to learn more about her country. she was just 9-years-old when the gunman opened fire on january 8, 2011 and shot representative gifford and killed six others, christy that taylor died on the scene. president obama delivered the eulogy for those slaughtered in tucson, including christina taylor, the day we remember the most egregious act of terrorism in our history. she died january 8, 2011 as a result of an act that has come to routinely terrorize us.

gun violence. on the next day the president said this. >> i want our democracy to be as good as christina imagined it. i want america to be as good as she imagined it. >> and the struggle to achieve that change continues. i want to turn now to the epic chaos that unfolded this week in washington, d.c. it was all over a job that pays $223,000 a year t. person that holds it is second to succeed the president after the vice president and the power of the office is such that no legislation if washington can move forward without his or her say, in other words, it seemed like a good job. but california congressman kevin mccarthy dropped political bombshell on thursday when he said he would know longer pursue the speaker of the house and the seeming consensus candidate,

congressman paul ryan doesn't want to job either. so what happens next? joining me now is white house correspondent kristen welker. things down there in washington seem a little unsettled. >>? >> reporter: lawmakers are trying to regroup. most of them at home this holiday weekend. as you pointed out the name emerging as the most likely replacement is former vice presidential nominee congressman paul ryan. but it's not clear he wants the job. top republicans are pushing him to have it. but ryan has called hits current position a dream job. now, this all comes as you pointed out, mem lisa, after house majority leader kevin mccarthy stunned everyone on thursday by announcing he was dropping out. mccarthy essentially wasn't sure he would get enough votes to be elected and just to remind everyone, he was recently criticized by democrats and republicans for suggesting the benghazi committee was aimed at destroying secretary hillary clinton's poll numbers, it was

basically political. meanwhile the house is facing a long to do list. that's what makes the timing of this so critical. he needs to pass a spending bill and needs to raise the debt limit or face decasualty. for now law maersk are on vacation. so this situation remains unresolved. >> it has made d.c. the center of the universe, thank you, kristen welker in washington, d.c.. up yeck, the startling reminder that america is still very much a country at war.

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. as of this morning, 33 people remain unaccounted for in the u.s. airstrikes the devastated doctors without borders in kunduz, afghanistan, taking the lives of nearly two dozen doctors and patients.

now the medical aids group is calling for an unprecedented independent investigation with the rules of the geneva convention with what they are calling a war crime. it was a wake-up call for many, that the war in afghanistan continues as the longest period of sustained conflict in u.s. history, now the idea that a wack-up calm is even necessary, highlights the yawn in gap between the majority of american people and a much smaller invisible communities of americans who serve in the nation's armed forces. this distance between the people and the war effort was non-existent during world war ii and the vietnam war, who conflicts that saturated the cultural consciousness of the times t. war in afghanistan is 14-years-old and cost u.s. taxpayers more than a trillion dollars, more than 2,350 u.s. service members have died. yet this war is being fought by a historically small u.s. military t. military draft ended in 1973 and less than 1% of

american adults have served on active duty at any given time in the past decade, compared to roughly 9% at the height of world war ii. according to pew research center, younger adults are far less likely to have family ties to the armed forces and in a recent survey, more than three-quarters of adults ages 50 or older have an immediate family member that served. >> that overall decline in the veteran population is represented in congress. in the 1970s more than 70% of military members had service. now only a few have children in uniform. that's a strong contrast, officers have sons an daughters, that's noted in in op ed published in the "new york times," yosemite, here are the makings of a self perpetuateing

military caste sharply segregated from the larger society and with its enlisted. joining me, so nice to have you all here. i want to ask this question martin about this idea we have a separate soldier class or warrior class that most americans aren't related to, don't see, aren't a part of the xupt. i live in north carolina during the week. so we are a very saturated many illtary culture in north carolina. there are lots of places that is not true. >> i find as a non-aamerican very astonishing. i find most don't know anybody in the military. i spent a lot of time reporting in israel where the country has been at war for almost 60 years on and off and every single

family has somebody in the military. they set up restrictions. >> universal, men and women, boys and girls. many don't for different reasons, the whom country is involved in the struggle all the time. it's a earn 'al issue. you come to the united states as you say, there is a difficult and important gap between those involved and the larger involved are not involved in the military. >> i wonder if it is easier to deploy our men and women if we don't have to watch it or recognize it or absorb those losses ourselves? >> one, i have to say, historically, america has been anti-military since the time of the ref louis, didn't want to stay in the army. the peace time daft was a horrible mistake. it served its purpose up in the '70s. it should have gone away and it did. >> so you are not one that will

say let's retinstitute the draf? >> it's a huge country. not only that, the reason there is this disconnect we don't sister a common enemy. we have the idea which don't want terrorists to come to get us, we don't have the soviet union, this big lumbering giant. although russia is making overtures. it's not seen as an existential threat. you won't have that personal buy-in for the people. >> on the one hand there is a question of whether or not people buy into the military. the other piece for me, is whether or not the military buys into its civilian leadership, because part of the sort of the u.s. context of anxiety about a standing military is this idea that democracy it is civilians who will lead, commandner chief will make decisions out of congress. it's increasingly, our president and our members of congress don't have military experience,

the great threat to freedom we often hear about you all can't tell us what to do because you can't understand more. >> this is interesting. both my father and grandfather were in the military. i know a small african core in the military. it's a key pathway if you are a working class person without education an increasing college costs and folks go into the military. so i'm not so sure, so that's one side of this. i think another side of this though, is the fatigue of war. so i think this is less about whether we trust civilianss to lead an more about the fact that folks are tired of fighting and it becomes easy to not think about the casualties we are causing and id happens when it gets farther and farther away. so this war has been so long. people are fatigued, they're tired. it's too much to hold and handle. >> i think there are many americans legitimately, i

thought the president said the war in afghanistan was over, this week we suddenly realize, no, it's not. >> so again the idea that it's conventional forces that are doing this even though there are special operations, which it's the military, wherein in a cold war after vietnam you have in the 1980s you saw a lot of conflict with the cia rung things and then even though there were military forces there, it wasn't the department of defense rung it or they were running it in covert ways and i still don't see that there is that much of an amped up compared to like vietnam. it's a very short time period. decades maybe. not necessarily, you know these hundreds of years or 50 years. so i'm not so sure there is a disconnect and it's always been whether or not a civilian leader can lead a military force. >> that has always been a part of the conversation. it's a cyclical things in

american dialogue, which mairks makes america great. we constantly challenge it, but there the a reaffirmation that civilians have to be in charge. >> within we come backing i want to pri in the united states doctors without borders. his organization is calling for the u.s. strike to be investigated as a war crime. so what about that stock? actually, knowing the kind of risk that you're comfortable with, i'd steer clear. straight talk. multiplied by 13,000 financial advisors

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he also said that u.s. forces were responding to a request by afghan forces fighting to retake kunduz from taliban militants, who captured the proishl militants last month. in the close vicinity, they were communicating with the crew of the ac-130. each of the attacks specifically targeted a want who, even though it's gps coordinates were regularly shared with military officials as recently as september 29ing. i want to bring in the u.s. executive director of doctors without borders. >> good morning. >> hi, so this, everything about the story is appalling. we heard from general campbell at the senate hearing it was a mistake. i will listen to that for a moment and have you respond. >> to be clear, the decision to provide air fires was a u.s. decision made within the u.s.

cane of command. a hospital was mistakenly struck. we would never intentionally target a protected medical facility. >> our response is one, is that since there has been such a changing narrative around the circumstances that led to the death ofpy 22 colleagues and our patients, we think it's imperative there is independent and impartial investigation. the reason we've gone to the international humanitarian fact finding commission is its main role is to investigate these humanitarian law. that's why we haven't pursued a criminal investigationed with international criminal court or gone to the u.n. human rights council. we think this is the framework in which we operate not just in afghanistan but around the world and the stakes are very high in this regard. we openly operate. we are talking with u.s. afghan, every armed group or country we work in, our transparency with

how we provide medical care is the key. to our security. we don't have armed guards. we don't have any of these things, we operate basically on the principles of ethics. >> because you are allowing people to visit family members and frempbdz who may be injured. we see the care in the hospital. so the language was there were militant, folks, potential combatants who would come into the hospital. then the language that it's a mistake, so i think that what was hard for me to understand. >> first of all anyone who issed is a civilian, that's been widely recognized longer than my generation has been around. it's a principle recognized by all government, they are supposed to adhere to the geneva conventions, we don't allow anyone with armed weapons to come into the hospital. >> that would put them in danger. there are many case we had rebel

groups not respect that. we suspended operations in countries. this is a very important principle for us. it was a very quiet night. one of the first quiet nights in a long battle the week. we had no evidence on our side to suggest otherwise. we think there is all the more why there should be an independent investigation. it's the burdz to fire on a hospital repeatedly after much information was shared. it's one of the most widely recognized structures. we think that's important. we want answers. i think everyone deserves aners to this. it's important for our ability to work in many places around the world. >> you know, these things happen. it's a terrible. to say. it's a war. there is always confusion. what i found in my visit, the first stories that have come out. the first responses are always confused and then the facts

trickle out. example in gaza when israel hit the united nations's sols and the united nations was accused of war crimes, it turned out, guess what, there are weapons cached stacked inside the hospital. people were firing from nearby, so i think in this case, this is a tragedy that needs to be investigated fully. but i wouldn't jump to conclusion, myself. >> so is that a fair -- >> obviously, it has to be investigated. one. that is good, i would encourage every veckive reporter to file for information requests for the tape. there is tape, language, you can actually see the attack from before and half-it will be there in the ac-130. they're reviewing it. they have to get clearance from an operations center. it requires a coordination center where they actually have it, the initials of the officer clearing those fires are actually given for. that. >> so part of what i'm wondering, you name check there,

basically the technology by which this happens. we were talking about the disconnect between the person people and i also wonder the way in which technology is a part of this. we have drone conversations. this is not that circumstance. but i wonder if there are men and women on the ground walking towards it. they can see the hospital, if it's a mistake, it's the same mistake. >> that was the question i think one of the senators asked was where was the special forces, our controller at? they said they relied on, they relied on the air asset as well, so you can do it. it's called a forward air controller aerial. so that way that i can control fires in the air. >> that ac-130 can shoot as long as it gets through the clearance for the coordination center. so they can actually see it. you will be able to see with that tape whether there are people moving with guns. the question is, really, was that information about the gps coordinant shared from high tore lower on that tactical side.

if there wasn't, there should have been an nnfa, no fire area. there are limit so that way you can go through extra checklists. if that information was not shared the people on the ground were not familiar. >> i want to say i'm so sorry for the loss of your colleagues. whitney cooper, martin fletcher will be back in our next hour. before we go to break, we want to update you on deadly explosions in the turkey capital. they report 86 people are dead and 186 are injured after two blasts rocked a peace rally. video shows young people holding hand and singing moments before the explosions. turkey's president condemned the attacks as terrorist attacks. we will be sure to bring you any new information right here on msnbc. up next, we will go live to wilmington, delaware on vice president joe biden's decision 2016.

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the "new yorker" magazine says there is now a new clue suggesting vice president biden may run. the people connected to the vp met with dnc staffers about the rules of running in the democratic primary. now if they have a clue sucking what mr. biden might do isn't vague enough for you? well, there is this. in politico's playbook block, mike allen reports, quote, no biden announcement before the tuesday debate. the decision was supposed to be this weekend, but keeps putting it off t. beltway media constantly is yearning for a new story, desperate for another battle of the titans democratic primary that can match the drama of 2008 is gettingancy and what we don't know is if mr. biden is going to accommodate and, if so, when? or do we?

let me ask nbc's ron allen in wilmington, delaware, not far from the vice president's home. ran, have you seen the vice president? i don't know, maybe getting mail. did he tell you he is going to run or not? >> reporter: we have seen him actually leave his home behind me and go down the road with his wife to an event, a school event. one of his grandparts is taking part in a cross country race. typical saturday morning family stuff, with i is what joe biden is well known for here in these parts of wilmington and, no, he has not revealed yet his intentions to me or anyone else and that's what we know and you are right, there is a lot of speculation and he raises a good point, how much of this is the result of anent an antcri beltway. there are clues out there. they can be intrerpt interpreted so many different way, for example, tuesday is a big moment

for the democrats when the debate happens and the country will see jim webb, and people they don't know about and president biden adopted not to be a part of. that does that mean he is not going to run or lay in the backgrounds? one of the driving narratives is if hillary clinton runs into a lot of big problems at some point the vice president might jump in. this meeting with the democratic -- >> i want to ask. >> reporter: sure, go ahead. >> how much this shadow of the possibility of the vice president running actually constitutes a problem for the clinton campaign? do they see it as energizeing, running against someone they're not running against or a constant distraction? >> reporter: well, i think the clinton campaign is mostly concerned about just trying to run their own race and not ray peer to be the inevitable candidate, which seemed to be one of the issues that really docked her back in 2008.

but at some point you are right, this whole shadow campaign or this does become a distraction, it becomes a tactical problem for the democrats. i'm sure the vice president is well aware of that. are we at that point now? maybe not t. hardest things to look at perhaps are the deadlines for getting on the ballot, which happened in early november and later november and the fact that those races are about raising money in the organizations. where are we? we don't know. i know he's down the road and that i can confirm. >> so where are we? in wilmington, outside the vice president's house. still to come, amber rose interview and why is stephan mar berry calling out michael jordan neighborhood, they tell loretta lynch their police are afraid of

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♪ to know a man's heart ♪ >> attorney general loretta lynch was meant to be a form if crime reduction strategies. according to washington post one reporter observed more than three hours of the discussion in which the paper says the group unified behind one controversial theory. >> that theory as the post puts it is quote officers in american cities have pulled back and have stopped policing as aggressively as they used to, fearing that they could be the next person if a uniform featured on a career-ending viral video. now, the post says new york city police commissioner brit bratton

whose officers were seen on camera putting eric garner in a choke hold called at this time quote youtube affect. another attendee, a top political, police official in boston suggested this led to a reduction in proactive policing. joining me now is the co-founder of research partnerships at the center for policing equity. she is also a retired 25-year veteran of the denver police department and a graduate of the fbi national academy. what do you make of this argument about aggressive proactive policing? >> i think one of the things, i first we should say this unprecedented access by the media i think is something wasn't expected. what it did is highlight the conversations that are happening on the ground with law enforcement and we talk about this youtube effect that everyone is discussing now this morning. it is really about officers weariness in engaging. and it's not that officers have stopped doing their jobs, it is

what types of things do you now get involved with? and i believe that's what the conversation was about. >> so i appreciate the point about finally getting a chance to see conversations we're often not privy to. i often want to have an officer currently on the force to talk with us. it's not just something that really happens in public space, right, retired officers, but that said, my main response is, i'm calling bs on it. as much as ki see officer versus those feelings, all of the data point to the idea that aggressive policing, stop and frisk, does not reduce crime. now, suddenly, we are meant to believe the cause of this rising crime rate. >> i think that's a part of the problem. right. so we don't really have the da to to say whether or not what's hang here. i think what the chiefs were trying to express to the attorney general is that the officers are feeling this weariness. a lot of that is did you to the conversations that are

happening. a lot of officers oak and we are talking about officers on the ground, we are talking about patrol officers don't understand how we got to this moment in time. even the conversations happening over the last 18 months have been involved in the upper leadership of law enforcement. so what law enforcement and patrol officers typically look to, we are doing what our sergeants and leiutenants are telling us to do. we are following policy so this is this confusion so to speak about what's really happening here. >> but it still feels so divorced for me from the homicide right. there is a conversation about the officer morale and the impact on the jobs officers do. but i do think it is both unfair and i think also will storm tracker 2000 us from what may be causing a rise in rom side rates, to say what you need is a police force not watched, what a democracy? we will watch the police. we payer that salaries. that should not keep you from

doing your job. >> i don't think it was meant to be a distraction. let's turn away and say officers are feeling that i west virginia they don't want an interactive community it's one more of an element of what's happening and we are seeing in these rises of crimes in our urban yaemplts i don't think it was meant to say because of this, this is happening. >> i think that is what they're claiming. i do and i think that to me, i'm not sure we know for certain that there is a homicide increase that is durable. >> right. >> we will keep having this conversation. it was fascinating to get to pull back the curtain. thank you, and i just want to say before we go, that i want to note the passing this week of a true revolutionary. this man spent seven decades pushing for social justice died at the age of 100. they were against discrimination and armed forces in the 1940s

and in the civil rights power movement of the fine 60s. until the very end, she worked on improving social conditions. her extraordinary life was captured in the documentary, q with the the evolutionary of grace lee boggs." >> people want revolution but don't know what it is. people think of a revolution in terms of 1917 and taking power and all the other. so hostility, and it isn't. it's a very healing solutionary process. >> the director of the documentary, grace lee, was among those paying tribute to boggs this week. in a statement, she says, grace lee boggs toth taught me to listen, reic from, think dialictically and imagine a better world.

she is a true american revolutionary whose century encompasses all of our stories. as americans, i hope her legacy will help us navigate the next 100 years without her. coming up the million man march, then and now. with ego live to washington, d.c. where the anniversary event is already under way. .

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>> today in walked, the nation of islam is holding a rally to commemorate the million man march. it was one of the largest demonstrations held in the nation's capitol, crowd estimates ranging from 400,000 to more than a million. it was organized by a controversial leader lewis fericon who had come under fire for excludeing women. his message of homeland and personal responsibility resonated with many that wanted to challenge negative stereo

types of plaque men triggered by the war on drugs. today's rally has been dubbed justice or else. we have been talking to participants and the one on the mall today he joins us now from washington. >> howe are you doing, melissa? ? before sunrise, thousands gather here for the 20th anniversary of the mill man march. it's hard to believe there were 20 years. when you look at this crowd, you see thousands of thousands of not just black men, black men, his spanics have been invited. native americans come here on the mall. now you spoke about last time, again it was atonement, about responsibility within the community. those men were on a mission to fight for a change, this time, it's about justice and as mentioned in the title, it's justice or else. just a few minutes ago one of the speakers said out loud are you ready to demand justice? that's what it's about this

time. harkening back to that original theme, it is about the black family the black opportunity. i had an opportunity to speak with three generations in one family that decided to be here today to witness history. let's take a listen what they had to say. >> you think about your son he will be emerging into, the grandson, a world he will inhabit and be a leader in some day, are you concerned about whether he'll makt or not. or whether his friends or this generation will make it through? >> if you look back in walk the civil rights, it's been the youth who have been the ones who have been the spark. so that is why it's such a responsibility for us to make sure that they are there, they're exposed and it's not even a question whether or not they will make it. they're going to produce. >> it will be a lot easier for him than most because of the upbringing. we like to make sure he knows he has to share wit others, to make

sure he brings people along. >> this is just another march, a feel good. brothers come together, hug it out. they feel it. do you hope, think, believe from this, though, it will spur this movement or is it about that? >> you know we are a collection of your experienceblings, this idea of this feel good poemts, even if it was just that, a day for us to feel good for us to escape the injustice, there is power in that. >> how does it feel for you to be close with your father and grandfather? >> i have cousins that are going, family that's going. family that i i don't see that much is going. and it's fun. >> that was powerful, the little kid there, he was great. >> reporter: that's right. for this family to come together again 20 years ago victorious hall was 13 years old, he talked

about getting on his father's shoulders and seeing a sea of black men, regardless, he changed as a man, in his school he is a vice principal and calls all the young men and women king and queens and saw the true power in unity and love displayed between those black people 20 years ago. here they are again coming to this march, three generations trying to make history again. >> thank you again, we appreciate your reporting. coming up next, bill cosby questioned under oath. and sneaker wars, why stefan mar berry says he is robing the hood.

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she was 15-years-old. the deposition is a part of a civil lawsuit filed against cosby last year t. plaintiff claims cosby forced her to perform a sex act with him at the playboy action in los angeles. more than 50 women have accused cosby of sexual misconduct, ranging from rape to harassment. several have accused them of drugging him without consen, cosby has never been charged with the crime and his attorneys have repeatedly denied the allegations against him. his attorneys also point out that none of the accusers filed police reports at the time the incidents allegedly happened. many of the alleged incidents happened decades ago and are beyond the statute of limitations. her attorney says she is able to sue because this individual was a minor at the time of the alleged assault. the deposition will remain sealed until december when a judge will decide whether any portions of it can be paid

public. in a 2005 deposition in another lawsuit accusing cosby of sexual assault, mr. cosby acknowledged obtaining drug with the intention of having sex with women. his lawyers say he never drugged women without their knowledge or had sex with them without consent. many of the women who accused cosby have come forward last year and last night on nbc's "dateline," 27 of the accusers appeared together in an interview with nbc news' kate snow. it explained why it took some of them decades to come forward. >> when it happened to me, there was no such. as like date rape. i never heard of somebody being drugged and raped. >> cindra ladd, says bill cosby assaulted her into 1969. >> i never thought of going to the police. it wasn't a thought in my mind. done, rape was done by somebody

in the street. >> i didn't report my sexual assault because i blamed myself. >> "dateline" did reach out to bill cosby and his legal team repeatedly over the last six weeks by the interviewer for the segment. both he and his attorneys declined to provide that comment. joining me is a contributor for salon.com. karen deso the to is an nbc news legal analyst. the author at state college and a fellow of the nation's institute. thank you guys for being here. let's put ul a legal piece here. remind us why this case is being deposed why this can go forward and the difference between a civil and a criminal. >> oh, gosh, that will take me about an hour. >> right. right.

you have 32 seconds. >> so, california has very relaxed lrelax lawed laws. they have relaxed laws on criminal cases as well where former accusers can come forward and testify in cases, so back in 1995 the federal court did what is called rule 413, it allows for prior accuseers to come forward and extensions on time. california is very, very unique, because it's the most relaxed. so we hear about these cases from the '70s and the ''80s. normally if federal and stated court, you cannot bring these statute of limitations, this is a very rare exception. >> so it's an interesting moment because some of the pushback in support of mr. cosby has generally been, he has never been charged. there is never a guilt finding. i keep thinking we as a society as a culture as a public, we can

convey guilt. we can have a sense of whether or not someone is guilty or innocent, even without necessarily a court finding. i'm wondering if that is what is at risk here for mr. cosby? >> so he deserves to be played and displayed in the court of public opinion. he built an entire career manipulating that court of public opinion to have us look at him as this icon of black fatherhood. it seemed like every day he was having eight class ifs of water and finding another victim. that is completely unacceptable. so since the law couldn't help these women there the time when they work as victims, they deserved their day in the court of public opinion. >> you bring up such an important point when you put your finger on the question of race. let's listen to a moment i to the was telling from last night. >> there was this black man who is a pillar in the black community. i'm going to participate in noming this man off his

pedestal. >> so why done you do it? >> my conscience and my principals. >> that's bev johnson talking about that challenge. interesting, malcolm jamal warner who played theo weighed in saying my biggest concern is when it comes to negative stereo times of people of color, we've always had the "cosby show" to hold up against that. and the fact that we no longer have that, that itself the. that is tarnished. this is not the. that most troubles me, this tension ability race is very real in this. >> it's very real because the experience of plaque men in america is one of oppression. then there is a rush to defend plaque men from the oppression they can enact on others, particularly within it comes to women. i think we can't make those excuses anymore. we can't sit back and say just because the experience of black men in this country is such that we experience police violence, structural violence.

we can't use that as an excuse therefore for other bad behavior, particularly when you talk about someone like mr. cosby, he's supposed to have set that example and chastised everyone else for not living up to that example. he hasn't been living up to it, himself. >> this language is so important to me also, this idea of while we know that this group here is experiencing inequality, but we don't maybe talk so much t. women say, date rape wasn't a. it didn't even xichlt of course i didn't go to the police. i didn't consider that as a criminal act there the disclosures are coming when the national dialogue around sexual violence is expanding in a major way. it made it possible for these women to come forward and watching them last night, i know for sure there were women watching thinking, oh, that. that happened to me, that's what sexual assault is. >> but i want to pick up on. that okay. as i'm waug watching it is, oh,

is this moment and this viszibility and everything happening going to bring more survivors out or is it going to send more survivors farther into the silence? >> i'm hoping it will bring more survivors out. the reason why the change in law by using testimony from premier accusers is as an attorney who used to try rape case, they're so hard. it's so frustrating and that's why we did this expansion to make it easier for prosecutors. there is another side that the law will help to unfortunately innocent people are going to get tumbled up in this manipulation. so i'm hoping that people will come forward because it shouldn't take 25 women. it should be one woman making a complaint and taking it seriously. you soon have to have multiple witnesses as a woman. >> kate snow asked this what would you say? let's listen. >> what would you sa i as to bill cosby if you had the opportunity right now? >> i'd like to look into the camera and say you didn't know

we'd all find each other, did you? >> there you go. >> that moment you didn't know we'd all find each other. your point about the corroborateing evidence. then i also think, my god, are we saying the only kind of sexual assault we can believe happened is if it is serial in this way? >> this is not any kind of sorority we want groups of women to have to be apart of. the initiation into the sorority is something that's unacceptable. beyond that, up with of the things that's interesting is the racial element. there is this narrative a bunch of rich white women trying to take down this iconic black men. you see all those black women in the audience. he was at a respecter of a racial person. >> a predator is a predator is a predator. >> it's hard, especially when are you a litigator of criminal defense attorney and a prosecutor like i was, race is an issue. i'm hispanic and you know, a lot of times you see them getting the unfair shake of it. when you see a woman raped or victimized, a child or an adult, it really ruins and crushes

their soul. you know what, it's not taken as seriously as it should be. women coming out and speaking and not having to prove or having three corroborateing witnesses is the problem here. so there is an issue with women. >> i'm so glad you brought us to that point. we will go to how that looks like culturally. this idea that women can't be believed and women's exsexuality is inherently a problem. the rest of my panel is sticking around, up next, we will ask, has the term "shut" been a term of empowerment? we sat down to talk to the one and only amber rose about just that. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed. well, let's be clear here. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know. find a certified financial planner professional

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this thousand iconic vma body suit. rose is both dynamic and unabashed, having once made a living as a stripper. she refused to be ashamed of her bombpastic body and lively personality. she's the creator of amber rose eyewear and defines herself as a fem 90 she is in short a boss. despite her public person na, rose is still vulnerable to the sexual shaming reserved for women in the public spotlight. exboyfriends kanye west publicly claimed he had to take dirty showers after dating rose, her estranged hubt husband califa fell in love with the stripper and fell out of love quick ev rer. never a silent victim. she hosted the shutwalk to resist shaming and promote equality. she addressed her personal

experiences at the vent. my colleague on shift by msnbc interviewed rose ahead of last week's walk. what was the catalyst for you to launch and create the amber rose shutwalk? >> well, i initially saw a picture on social media on shutwalkings. there are shutwalks all over the world. i didn't invent the shutwalk. i deal with a lot of equality issues every day. i started looking around realizing i'm not the only one and i wanted to do any and everything in my power to help women anywhere i can. so i decided to have my own shutwalk. >> how has those comments and the policing of your own body and sexuality and behavior affected you and catalyzed you to take on this feminist stance? >> et just made me extremely strong. it did the opposite of what they probably wanted. they wanted to belittle me and

put me down and dumb me down and it didn't. it was the driving force that brought all this on and created this feminist monster that always lives inside of me and now it's here and i'm not stopping. >> she's going to stomp on everyone? >> yes. >> still with me brittany cooper, and michael denzel smith. joining the table also is julie clark, duke university professor and author of "reinventing you ." imagine you and create your future. what do we think about the shameing? >> i think it comes out from a moment, victim blaming women in toronto in 2011. however, i have always been ambivalent about the term "shut." i don't know particularly if you are not a white woman,

particularly plaque woman that have complicates histories can put on a tee-shirt and say shut i'm so excited for amber roiz rose so she has the right to reclaim space and talk about tha that. they claim it in the same way. >> i am a sex positive feminist, i like the sex positivity. i'm not sure if this slut does it. we have reclaimed queer and the n-word so i don't want to necessarily throw it out. i wonder about at least the. that is especially for women of color. this idea of like, spfrsd, class

is on to reflect while i'm looking at her, multiple levels of fabulous occurring at the same time, there is something very exciting and powerful about that. >> yeah, the interesting. for me is i looked up slut in the oxford dictionary t. meaning has changed in the 16th century example. how women dress up fancy to attract women outside the house. at home they dress up slutish. my equivalent is sweat pants. >> like slorks exactly. >> but a fairtive shift happened with the english speaking world. where first kwichl were ket on a leash in the 1,900s, the narrative totally turned on its head, where they had no sexual desire and paralleling the

change in narrative, and ssolvenly to pro mipromiscuous. it shifts all the time. i'm talking about the number of sexual partners, now they, how did that define someone's sexuality? it's not about the number, necessarily, it's about the way you do, it shifts no matter, whoever is using it. they shift the definition so they can belittle women and whatever they choose, they try to define someone else's sexuality for themselves, it's not 94 per view. >> they say you can retake slut because what you do is worth it public work and hollywood and you want do run for president or president of the school board, you actually can't use this kind

of define it this way. >> you can't use it yet. it takes a while for terms to have their stigma neutralized. 30 years ago, queer was a way of shaming gay people. 20 years ago defense a very defiant shame and chant to hear queer, get used to it. today, if you ask a lot of millennials, i think one that becomes expansive. so you don't have to do the alpha get soup. it's exactly right. i think we're very much in the phase that queer was 20 years ago. it's aggressive, abrazing, many people recoil from the associations, but if ten or 20 years ago it's going to be a

term. what does slut mean to you?

. >> abolishing the wofford "slut" mean for you. >> i think people normally tell me slut has a lot of sex. i mean you do what you want. >> slut means a woman sexually empowered and gets made fun of it. >> the hypocrisy of what men are allowed to do and women as well. >> we should express it the way we want. even women of color. women of color should be able reclaim the word "slut" the same way as anybody else would. >> it's my body. i will be able to yell from the streettops, i want to give it to who i want to to. >> they were in los angeles covering this. i was wonder about women's

sexual pleasure, slut gets used as a word to it's a narrative that gives men permission in anti-pleasure. it's the language that we did that says this is a woman that says you have permission to touch without her consent. so for me, you know, if you want to play with that word in private space around consenting sexual acttist. >> that itself your business, right? if slut works for you, then what i also don't want to do is a policing about it in a big sense and if you like this set of practices privately, you are problematic. >> look arc woman in control of her own sexuality is the dangerous patriarchy we have. she understands she owns her own body, she is di vesting for emergency if she's not doing the things they need them to do. itting a only ins that women

don't want men that sexuality is very broad and flunszed. i talk about amber rose in my intro class in women in gender studies, one of the students they came up of a man at the march saying you don't deserve the right to claim, you don't deserve access to a certain kind of womanhood, you know, you shouldn't be proud of being a slut. so i do think this is doing very important work in giving women the terms and language to say, my body is my own. i determine what happens to it. i think that's a victory for patriarchy and funny the victory has come on the back of a word like "shslut for you. >> let's play a funnier play. >> oh, heavens, it seems that woman hasn't been home sense last night. >> i sure haven't. >> congratulations. >> thank you. >> nothing i haven't done before in my day i was no stranger to

the walk of shame. >> no shame here r. >> well, this is the hypocrisy of shaming. societally we want women available to men but not at women's terms. that's at the root. it's control. you get shamed whether or not you are vastly sexually available or are you not at all. if you close off. so where is the middle ground? where are you supposed to be as a woman? you are supposed to be sexually available when a man tells you to be. >> which is precisely what happened around the cosby accusers saying we didn't want to come out, we didn't want to say anything the power of the slut shaming, they were in circumstances of having not consented to sexual acttist. >> i was interested in the branding way she handled this. the slut walk, it sounds more like memorial walks. like who is this person?

and the fact that she, you know, clearly a very vivacious and living empowered woman owned this made it an integral part of her brand and decided she was going to put herself in her own personal moments of shame where her exboyfriends and husband had been walking her. she was willing to put that center stage. she believed it was enough of a braning asset and a message she wanted to convey is quite powerful. >> is there still like an imperative on woman as a result. i love amber rose, few of us are shaped like that. right. if there is aib an imperative activity associated with this. >> the good thing about this work is it opens the work desired more broadly. so we saw all kind of women reclaiming slut. i saw all kind of students thinking of the possibility of this term. i remain ambivalent.

we talked about this four years ago, we were like, you know, plaque women would move aptly be implicated and we don't think we can reclaim "ho" we feel ambivalent. we feel it opens up these possibilities, as a fat person, i do like that all kind of bodies get put on the table, so when women start the real conversation about desire. it becomes much harder to police anything. then we get to say, look, everything is acceptable. whatever i bring, you accept it or i'm gone. >> it's the magic mike xxl. the sense of like. >> yeah, what i kept saying is, yeah, mike was good, it was definitely jada bringing it all, handlic it. >> everyone else is sticking around longer. catch out "shift" so popular. up next, stefan mar berry calls out michael jordan for the

price of his sneaker saying jordan has been robbing the hood. sneaker wars after this. .

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americans love sneakers. now one might trace this obsession to run dmc's 1986 track my adidas, after all, me and my adidas do the. . the real marketing obsession that now allows the top makers of basketball choose to sell more than $25 billion worth of shoes a yearsh not including the billion dollar resale market. >> that started 30 years ago, when nike released the first ever air jordans. jordan in his rookie year create buzz wearing the shoes on the court and bake breaking the uniform rules. >> on september 15th, nike created a revolutionary new

basketball shoe. open october 18th, the nba threw them out of the game. fortunately the nba can't stop you from wearing them. air jordans. >> nike made $100 million that first year and the kicks quickly became a pop culture sensation. in 1980 spike lee used them in his film "do the right. ." >> you stop me down, what about excuse ne my brand-new white air jordans i just bought. that's all can you see? >> are you serious? >> yes, i'm serious. >> lee even starred if commercials for the shoe and character as super fan morris blackman. >> this is something you can buy. this is happening. this is high flying 360 slam dunk. this is something can you not do.

let me repeat myself. this is a buy. can you not do this can, can't. can. >> globally, nike now sells $2.5 billion of jordans, and this made him a billionaire. now, fellow basketball star stefan mar berry is accusing him of quote robbing the hood with his $150 plus sneakers. mar berry is relaunching his shoes claimed the expensive sneakers for violence in inner cities. he tweeted, quote, john has been robbing the hood since. kids dying for shoes and the only face this dude makes is, i don't care t. time will change. mar berry says his shoes are manufactured in the same factory as air jordans the difference they expect to retail for just $15 bucks. joining my panel is a sneaker historian an designer and author of "where'd you get those" new

york's sneaker callture 1960 to 1967. so nice to see you. talk to me about this kind of sneaker culture in this moment. because just when i grew up, people would not have bought a $15 shoe that was advertised as a $15 shoe. but like part of the sneaker culture was thes separation of the expensive shoe. so i'm kind of wondering about stefan's marketing plan here. >> well, it's brilliant what he is doing. he has done it before. this is not his first round with this. but i would challenge the idea that lower surprise i priced sneakers would fought have been attractive in any era for decades from the 1920s into the late 1960s. the only shoe that was of choice was low priced shoe, under $10. whether they were canvass pro keds or chuck taylors, you see

them jump up to the doctor 25 price point. even today, a brand like jordan, yes, they have shoes that cost a lot. they do have shoes that are priced lower for different communities and so i think i'm not sure at the farn, althoughia applaud him for the sneaker industry, i'm not sure he needs to do that. he will have his own following, very popular in china. >> so unlawful, though in a certain way, apalmed jordans are still, i mean, it's one. when we see him emerge initially, jordan is playing. i mean, you know, it is connected to this. he is doing on the court that no one has ever seen before. so part of what seems to happen is the shoes, themselves, have taken on a life outside of michael jordan, himself. >> that's so true. michael jordan has been retired for ten years the sales. >> it was bad before final

retirement. >> that's right. yet, last year the sales increased by 17%. it's incredibly dramatic. i think it's true that he has become is up an icon, he is viewed as the greatest player ever, the fact that these have 30 years of longevity. i have them when i was 7-years-old, now, 30 years later, they're bringing in $2.5 million. it accounts for 90% of sneaker sales in america. it's astonishing. >> do you actually think they look good? there have been versions over the years, i was like, that is an ugly shoe. then it's many hundreds of dollars and a checker's item. >> yes, i do. >> you have to generally like them? >> i like the aesthetics of sneakers, we're talking about essentially like why would people want to continue to buy, like the jordan symbol. right. because it's associated with that greatness, right? it's associated with the visibility and the cool of michael jordan. in talking about people whose lives are essentially defined by

invisible. trying to covet something that dprants them visibility, grants them the respect of their peers, that that's what the secor of this stefan mar berry doesn't have so much moral high ground to stand on, if he's saying they're being made in the same foktory, you are exploiting the same labor, too. >> for less profit, michael. >> part of this is to the fact that i remember as a kid watching jordan in the late 1980s, the air, it's the super hero element of it. the things the ways that he defied gravity, so those shoes gave young black men and urban kids and ton to feel they have super hero status. they can defy dpravty. they can couch u jump up in the air as you might say. i think they have been so -- >> he's having a good time. >> i think the bad part of it. the other. is this is also the unique influence of hip hob coupleture coming towing. right. so that this is about the way that leisure and play have

become branded. so that's something really unique to the hip-hop generation, the way that they've made, sneakers are not the shoes you made to work. >> that comes later. this is about the branding of leisure and play unique to the hip-hop generation. >> part of asking about a shoe we know, there is a way in which like buying the inexpensive. is part of wealth culture, right? so people with a lot of money purposely go to the secondhand stores, then that becomes the. to do. but working class people are still trying to consume the upper level thing. it is the aspiration. >> it's the value that has been inherent in our communities for some time. that predates jordan that, predates nike and the brapds marking schemes, it predates advertising. essentially, our communities made sneakers cool. prior to that, there were all the brands were unaware that we

were approaching sneakers, created as culture, these idiosyncratic deals about flattening laces so they can be more presentable, wearing five socks sho the shoe can look more broad, all of the things came out of the style and sensibility to express yourself in that individuality through the sneakers. >> is that the '80s? joe biden, i didn't in a moment i was doing what we had to do. oh, getting ready to take a break, oh, man. >> they didn't sister the padding. >> i totally did not know why we were doing that, up next, sneaker hype and violence.

. >> the details of incidents in which young men were killed of sneer sneakers or clothing. the story reported the makers of sports gear quote have been accused of creating a fantasy

fueled market for luxury items and the economically plasted inner cities tapping into the glow of drug and gang money, this has led to a frightening outbreak of boar plaque kids making their marks by busting fresh or dressing at the height of tag. on the one hand, that is reflecting what you said about the ways in which speakers are aspirational. on the other hand, it feels like are you kidding me? >> we are blaming shoes now for the violence problem? absolutely not. we all wish michael jordan would be a bit more political. >> or not. >> given his resources. >> or say nothing at all. >> he's not going to say the right. . this is nothing. i do think that this is like severe misdirection. so we know the reason we are violence in our inner cities, it isn't because kids aspire to have particular kind of shoes, it's because folks need jobs and access to good schools and housing. so what we should be thinking about is what the brands do for folks. it's sort of michael's point

earlier. one way black community versus come into visibility within the marketplace, like in the early '90s, when they believed the shades of new campaign, oh, plaque women wear makeup. this wave, so rec sniognition through communities happens through brands. if we began to think about that, when we can talk about the other problems that come along. >> doesn't nike bush back on this, back in 1990, wrote, what's baffling to us is how easily people accept the assumption that black youth is an unruly mob that will do anything to get its hand on what it wants. show a plaque person what he wants, he will kill for it. it raises hysteria. >> when we have black friday sales advertisements that play into violence all across the country, across different races, particularly you are seeing white people fight for the sales. it's not.

it's the economics of it that produces this. and then you are talking about like a luxury item for people that they're willing to fight over. yes, because like living in poverty, yes, like you want access to the luxuries that are available to you. this helps you get through it. in some way. and then, yes, the status and the invisible that at least shoes will confer on you. like why then are we fought addressing the root of that? why are the sneakers so meaningful to you? why do you feel like you are invisible without them? >> i think this point about like if a product can be held accountable for sy lens, it feels to me like guns. >> it's reasonable then. >> the political argument, stefan mar berry's charges are preposterous. he went nuclear on it. he tweeted about michael jordan 50 times in a three-day period but from a marketing and branding strategy, it was

exactly the right move. there i have two words for you. beijing ducks, that is where the man plays for, nice for him. but he has 79,000 twitter followers to michael jordan's 12. million. he was a journeyman that ended and he is trying to get attention, he is doing a challenging marketing strategy. michael jordan is not responding as well, he shouldn't because he didn't have to. >> let me offer, it's the stark pa majority. >> that happened in the early '70s, throughout the late '70s and early ''80s. really the gun component people say this starts at the same time when guns start becoming prevalent in our communities at a horrific rate and so yeah, i saw the tweet. i didn't really feel like i had much dpravty to it. >> i want to say thank you to participant my cooper and to

michael denzel smith. i also want to show you guy, this is what i gave my team for the holidays last year, a nice chuck taylor with nerdland imprinted on the inside, don't fight over these you can't buy these in the store. up next, martin fletcher. zplmplts.

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for all binge watchers. movie geeks. sports freaks. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. . more than 30 years of conflict broke out around the world to come on the ground, bringing you the latest news. as an nbc correspondent, fletcher experienced the horrors and tensions of war zones firsthand, while reporting from israel, pakistan, rowan da-and afghanistan. in his new novel, fletcher melds his experiences on the ground, during the siege of sarajevo with the fictional story of a war reporter struggling to balance his emotions with his duty to journalistic integrity. the book is being called stunning, haunting and riveting. joining me now is martin fletcher. >> melissa, thank you. >> so why a novel as a way of telling this story as opposed to

kind of a journal of your own experiences? >> well, i mean, that is the question. i always thought we're great at doing what happened where, when, why, how, et cetera. but we never really convey what it's like to be that person. what it's like to be the victim, and journalist, as well. so i actually think it's better than fiction. >> we talk about being inside the heads of folks having these experiences. we think of ptsd and post traumatic stress of something warriors experience and soldiers experience. we may not think about the ways civilians also experience it. talk to me about how that drives aspects of the book here. >> you know, i've got lots of friends in real life killed or wounded and many who suffer from post traumatic stress. and one of the things about being a journalist with post

traumatic stress, people understand how a soldier or fireman or a cop with post traumatic stress. but a journalist, there is something illegitimate about having those feelings so you don't express them. but when you go to these places time and time again -- in israel, there were 120 suicide bomb attacks and i was in most of them, actually, for a few years. and sometimes when the bodies are all still there, you know, there is a cumulative effect, obviously. >> when you talk about the language -- you use the language of being a journalist as being a first responder. and the characters in your text deal are very long-term, deeply personal consequences of the horrors they witness and that are brought on them. so why do it? given that the response is often, hey, go sit in a news comfy studio in new york instead. why does it matter? >> i would much happier covering

the paris fashion show if i were ever sent there. it's sort of about conflict and best stories are in the heart of the conflict. so i personally as a journalist wanted to show people suffering, and help address those questions. and that's what i did all of my career. i went to all kinds of awful places and met -- my career was basically to meet people on the worst day of their life. that's what i did, and tell their story and hopefully garner some sympathy. and that's what was important to me. and there was a price to pay, obviously. >> part of what you do here, because you're telling this -- a love story, is that you have suffering and healing happening both in a male character and in a woman. talk to me about how you see the differences in how war is gendered and experienced. >> you know, when i began, there were not many women correspondents, no women cameramen. today there could be more than males all together. so first of all, it's a main male-female experience, pretty much equal right now.

you know, some of the great female correspondents are women, and they died too. so i wanted to tell both sides of the story. and in -- this is my third novel. people say you write good women characters. and i think that's because i like them, as a matter of fact. and they're all strong characters. but they suffer as much as men so it's important to me in this book to make that point. and then the story is about what happened in sarajevo and how a tragic event occurs and how the male or female characters deal with that through the rest of their lives. and it's a love story. and it's important to me to make it as authentic as possible. >> i wonder if in part -- you're reminding us of bosnia, of this conflict. it's a -- kind of geopolitical recent history that many people might not pick up if it said

geopolitical history but will pick up if it's a -- >> my editor said who is he? so it became the war reporter. but the story is the same. because it's -- the story is about journalists, politics and rehabilitation through love. and that is a very common -- it's a universal theme. it's about that part of the world but it could be anywhere. >> and you get a little bit of the history and politics in there. so thank you to martin fletcher, the novel once again is called, in fact, because it's -- editor said so, "the war reporter." that's our show. thanks for watching. tomorrow morning, 10:00 a.m. now it's time for a preview of "weekends with alex witt." richard lui is in. >> you must listen to your editor, right? thank you so much, melissa. today, donald trump in georgia, holding a rally in front of the microphones. every one of his appearances bringing some kind of surprise. we'll have a live report there. it's a gun campaign with a bit of a twist.

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