from that, the death toll is rising. an ugly scene in turkey after two explosions at a peace rally. the big question this hour, who did it and could isis be involved? another donald trump rally in the hour. the gop front runner making a truck through the south. the latest in a live report coming out of georgia. chaos on capitol hill. how might the public tug of war play into the 2016 race. searching for answers. a hearing this week tries to resolve the problem of drones and planes sharing the skies.

very good saturday to you. it is noon in the east, 9:00 in the west. welcome to "weekends with alex wi witt." breaking news. 86 people dead and 200 wounded after two bombs rip through a peace protest in turkey's capital, ankara. the dead lay where moments ago they danced and sang for unity. peace flags turning into burial shrouds. joining me is john yang. and john, any indication at this moment in terms of who might be behind this? >> richard, so far no claims of responsibility. this attack came outside the central rail station in ankara, where people were gathering for that peace march. the explosions coming seconds apart, about 55 yards apart away from each other.

it now appears that they were suicide bombers, officials say. officials are also saying there's no shortage of suspects. the turki turkish prime ministe list includes isis. dhkp, a tense time in turkey. turkey has joined the fight against isis, both carrying out their own air strikes and letting the united states launch air strikes from its soil. they have also stepped up at a fence off against kurdish fighters in turkey and there are national elections in three weeks. and already at the site of the bombings, anti-government protests have broken out as tensions there rise higher still. richard? >> thank you, john yang for us on what has happened in ankara on this saturday. appreciate it. we're now going to turn to the 2016 campaign, is and republican presidential candidate donald trump. trump is just outside atlanta

today for an event at the north atlanta trade center, the first campaign stop in georgia. looking at live pictures again. and we are waiting for donald trump to come to the microphones, which we expect to happen any time. katy tur is in norcross, georgia, covering the trump campaign. we will go to her live as when he does come to the microphones. she is monitoring what is always an entertaining situation when donald trump comes to the microphones. to the pentagon now. u.s. and russian military officials could hold talks on russia's escalating offensive in syria. president obama sparred over the notion president vladimir putin is challenging his global leadership. >> you said a year ago that the united states -- america leads were the indispensable nation. mr. putin seems to be challenging that leadership.

>> in what way? let's think about this. >> he's moved troops into syria, for one. he's got people on the ground. two, the russians are conducting military operations in the middle east for the first time since world war ii. >> so that's -- >> bombing the people that we are supporting. >> so that's leading, steve? >> joining me now is democratic congressman, jim hines, member of the intelligence committee. representative, thank you for being here today. >> good to be with you, richard. >> and i know you are steeped in this. does president obama from your opinion need defending for his syria policy? >> well, the truth is, u.s.-syria policy has been confused. you know, i've been making the point for a long time here, trying to promote the syrian moderates to fight both assad, who it is the president's policy to remove and isis, we are fighting not just on one side of a middle eastern civil war, something you do cautiously, we are fighting on both sides of a middle eastern civil war.

so the policy has been confused, and i think there's been a recognition of that awith the shutting down of the department of defense. the way the president was asked that question, this is a dangerous thing. we need to resist the temptation to regard, you know, the russia-u.s., putin versus obama controversy as like a football game that everywhere and anywhere, we need to put more points on the board, right? you know, putin has just done something that is probably a very bad idea in the long run, which is expose a lot of his military to the kind of terrorist attacks that we experienced in afghanistan and iraq and he's going to pay a cost for that. >> what's your opinion here, from the intelligence you have seen and, of course, you cannot share necessarily that which is confidential. what is russia's goal here? and how much are they willing to do to achieve it, in your opinion? >> well, there's not much secret about what russia's goal here is, right? you know, the -- the nation of syria has for two generations been a first soviet client state and then a russian client state. and, you know, putin's own

economy and his own country is in a lot of trouble. he's overextended and doing what he did in ukraine. these are client states he wants to say, hey, we still matter internationally. he's got a naval base in syria. he wants to preserve that influence and that naval base. now, you know, whether this is the smart way to do it remains to be seen. but what this points to, richard, there is one way out of this mess and getting more complicated by the day. it's a matter of time before u.s. weapons are used to kill russians on the ground in syria. that's going to happen in the next 24 hours, i think and how do we feel about that. the one way we get out of this mess is by putting everybody of in the same room. the russians, the saudis, the turks, the syrians and yes the iranians to say, look, we have a lot of common interest here. we have a lot of common interest in stopping the chaos, in stopping the flow of refugees and isis. and coming up with a deal that allows us to get aligned to do those things. >> is that likely to happen? >> look, you know, sadly, you know, for putin, to get there,

he's going to need to experience what he is going to experience. which is the death of his troops, you know, heaven forbid isis captures a couple airmen only when he starts to realize glorious move is going to come with significant costs i think is he going to be comfortable being it at the table. and by the way shall we need to be comfortable with things that are tough. the iranians will be at the table. they have a lot of influence, and the reality is president assad needs to go, but he's not going soon. so there is going to be uncomfortable things for us too. but that's the only way we solve this problem. >> congressman, you've been unafraid to push forward on your thoughts on how to solve this situation. i go back to september 29th with the letter you had put out and you said you were not happy with what the administration is doing in syria to date. you also voted against the amendment authorizing the training of syrian rebels. what would you say at this juncture outside of the meeting that you would like to see in terms of u.s. policy in syria to

deal with the issues we've been talking about? >> yeah. no, that's right, richard. i did oppose from the very start this idea of training and equipping the so-called syrian moderates. i did vote against it, and low and behold this week the president announced he did shut that program down. because the weaponry that we were providing these guys was winding up in the wrong hands, an unsuccessful program. so, again, the -- nothing good happens from here on out, right? russians are going to die. they may die, you know, because of u.s. weaponry. they may die in gruesome fashion because of isis. because russia is there, assad is even further away from being removed from power. so, again, we have two choices here. we can manage chaos, millions of refugees, and take 10,000 or 800,000 or exercise true american leadership and say we are going to convene an international conference that will include the russians and everybody with a stake in the region and we're going to realize that we all have a lot

of common interests there, and strike a deal. we can do that. and that would be a true exercise of american leadership. and by the way, it's the only solution here. >> only solution. congressman jim himes, member of the intelligence committee, as always, thank you so much for joining us on this saturday. >> thanks, richard. straight to donald trump, now taking questions. let's stop by and listen in. >> if i could see, i wasn't going to win, if i saw that things were not going well, if you didn't call me anymore, katie, because you say it's over, then i would say, absolutely, i would certainly consider. i got killed. they all said, trump might leave, and i said what are these people -- even today in the "new york times," they even quote. so now what i'm going to do -- i saw some of the people, they have zero. i have 36. they have zero in the polls. they said, will you get out? these are the politicians. they said, absolutely not, we're going all the way. you know they're going to leave

next week. no, they have no money, they have no votes, they have no nothing. they said will you get out -- they're politicians. i tell the truth. so now what i'm going to do is this. let me just tell you, katie, just for you on the record. i'm not going anywhere. i'm leading in every single poll. i'm leading in every single state, i'm leading. and i'm leading by a lot. and one thing i know with katie and with some of the others i know. if i wasn't, they would speak up, right? nothing to speak up with. i'm leading in every poll. i'm leading in every state. i'm leading big in new hampshire, which just came out yesterday. you saw that poll, i assume. i think it's an 18-point spread between me and number two. we're doing great. is that beautiful? i look forward to getting out. we have tremendous -- we have the biggest crowds. bigger than sanders, by far. i mean, the only problem we have with the crowds is we get the convention centers in every city. and the convention centers aren't big enough. and you will see it today. you'll see a tremendous scene.

so just on the record, i love this, i'm having number. fun. in this case it's faith and ministers and pastors. norman vincent peel was my pastor for many years, one of the greatest. i hated to leave church, okay? i hated to leave church, he was so inspiring. >> come to a black church. >> i'll do that. that might be even more. so anyway, so the answer is, i love it. we're leading. i'm going -- i'm all the way. just so understand. all the way. 100%. it just shows you how dishonest -- you give an answer like that, and they say oh! he might. it's really very dishonest. but you'll cover it accurately. yes, go ahead. [ inaudible ] so far and i think i should be giving credit, very little. i was going to spend $20 million. i have a budget. i'm a businessman so i make budgets, not that it matters, but i make budgets. i was expected to have spent $20

million on advertising up until now. you know how much i've spent? zero. no, you can't. when you're on all trump all of the time. when you have a show, and the show is trump, and then you have an ad and it's trump, they o.d. on trump, right? that's no good. so anyway, so so far i've spent very little money. i've actually spent no money, literally no money on advertising. at some point i will. i think i should be given credit for that. i'm in for $2 million. and of the $2 million, a lottive, you know, according to the fec rules f i have an airplane, and if i use the plane, i have to pay a fair market value for the plane, even though the money comes back to me, because i own the plane, right? so what happens, i have to write checks so some of it is that. so i should be given credit, because i'm number one in every poll and i've spent less than anybody else. that's like charles finley, he own the oakland a's had the lowest payroll in baseball and won the world series three times in a row. remember him? he was a wild man.

but it's called talent. so i have probably spent less than anybody else, and i have the highest poll numbers. so instead of criticizing, i should be given credit for that. and a lot of that is the fact that i'm a businessman. i'm a businessman. i mean, i see some of these people, one of them i think they said hillary spent like $25 million and is spending money like it's water, because they have no idea. they have no concept of what money is. so instead of saying oh, trump hasn't spent much, you should say it's really amazing. trump has spent less than anybody else and he's got better poll numbers than anybody else. i should be given credit. with that being said, we're actually doing some ads. and by the way, if i don't have to run them, i won't. okay? if i don't have to run them, i won't. i probably do. but we have actually a talented group of people that i know very well and we're doing some ads, just in case we need them. and it's possible i won't use them much or i won't use them at all and it's possible i'll use them a lot. it depends how we're doing. yes, go ahead, ma'am. [ inaudible question ]

i personally -- the secret of my popularity? honestly, it's my looks. i'm very handsome. that's the only thing i can think of right now. okay, yes, sir. [ inaudible question ] no, you don't. excuse me, i know what he said. they said do you think you're going to win. he said yes. that means trump can't win. yeah. what's he going to say? [ inaudible question ] well, of course, he's going to say that. i love it when they hit me. because so far, as you know, everybody i've hit has gone down the tubes. okay? from bush to this -- they've all gone down. most of them -- a lot are out of the race. walker hit me, he's gone. perry of texas, right? lindsey graham. everyone hit me. lindsey graham was at 5, he's now at 0. in south carolina, i'm at 32, he's at 3, and is he's a sitting

senator. there is something wrong. but i will tell you, i'm ready to hit whenever they hit. i'm a counter puncher. but actually, they basically said do you think you're going to win to ted cruz. and he said yes. what's he going to say no? i'm campaigning -- everybody. if you ask lindsey graham, he's got zero. do you think he's going to win? he's going to say yes. he's surging. you know, we had one poll was interesting, i was at 34. carley was at 6. she went from 1 to 6. so i'm at 34, she's at 6. and the headline read carley surging. i said what about me? you know, sort of an amazing thing. no, he says -- he's got to say that. what's he going to say? yes, sir, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> i don't think boeing needs it. i don't think general electric needs it either, by the way. go ahead. [ inaudible question ]

i would say everybody is formidab formidable. i don't view one person more than the other. [ inaudible question ] a little bit. but i went after jeb very hard. who haven't i gone after? you know, it's very -- i haven't -- the only ones -- ted cruz has never hit me. you can't say because he's going to win. you can't say that's hitting. if he hits me, i hit back and we hit back hard. i will say this. ben carson went after me and wi withdrew his statement. i look at both of them as being formidable. [ inaudible question ] yeah, i have -- we have under right now consideration, and actually in one case under production. i can i think what is a good tv ad it's possible we'll use it, it's possible we won't.

right now when the new hampshire poll came out yesterday we're having an 18-point lead. why waste money? you don't want to do that. [ inaudible question ] i don't want to say that. thank you. we'll see you at the inside. [ inaudible question ] paul ryan is a nice man. i would love to see somebody extremely tough in there. i think the republicans need somebody extremely tough. but that vote is not up to me. it's up to the people voting. thank you very much. >> donald trump, norcross, georgia, just finished a meeting with black pastors there in georgia, and then taking some questions. and making various comments, one of which he believes one of his most redeeming qualities is how good he looks. and, of course, we'll be talking more about the republican primary as we move forward as a move forward in the clock. just ahead -- we just heard donald trump talking about the polls and we'll have analysis from a polling expert about what the polls mean this early in the

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. now to the race for the white house. the two leading republican candidates are on the campaign today events coming at a time when poll numbers show donald trump losing support but still in the lead. on "morning joe" he clarified his comment about dropping out of the race if his poll numbers start to fall. >> the next-day headlines "trump considering maybe getting out" it was so ridiculous. so you know what i say right now i give more of a political answer, i'm never getting out. >> we just heard donald trump say hey, wait a second. i'm thinking with this my poll numbers may drop a little and maybe it was a distinction as he

was clarifying this on "morning joe" it was the same headline a week before and the week before that. >> what we saw with trump's numbers and the numbers i pay attention this early in the race are the candidates favorabilities and he blew it out of the water in that he was able to take a negative favorability rating and turn it into a positive favorability rating in republican voters when he announced back in june. we've now seen it drop a little bit. the poll which has been tracking this biweekly had a drop by 12 points. it's still high at 56% but that's the number that i pay attention to. that suggests that some republicans are saying maybe donald trump is not my guy. but there's no question he's commanding the lead in all the polls. >> if we look at some of the numbers there t"the wall street journal" and the msnbc poll, you add it together and it's typical across the polling that you're watching and doing and we're

watching. 50% or greater favoring a candidate still that has no political experience whatsoever. and what does that tell you at this stage of the game where, you know, we're early october? >> we've seen that in every single poll for the past four to five weeks. we have two groups of republican voters here. one who are angry. >> yeah. >> at the establishment. they're angry at their own party. those are the trump voters and then there are the other group who are frustrated with their own party and that's the carson and fiorina voters. and one of those candidates is going to emerge from that group and it's the other group, on the establishment side where we have the remaining dozen. and one of those candidates are going to emerge but right now there's no clear leader as there is trump on the anti-establish side. >> we're waiting for donald trump to come to the microphones on the left-hand side of your screen and when he does we'll go

there. as a pollster we've got 13 months to go here. how is this different in the years before for you? >> even if you look at the early primary voting in the caucus state of iowa or new hampshire, south carolina, where they're doing a lot of the tracking, it was an establishment candidate like a mitt romney and then somebody being put up against him and we don't see that. we don't see anybody but the establishment candidates. >> jeb bush theoretically might have been that. >> he might have been. but he's not that now. if you take half of the voters out, jeb bush, marco rubio, ted cruz, chris christie, rand paul, mike huckabee are all within a couple of points of each other in every single poll. there's no one who has emerged as the guy who will take on one of these nonestablishment candidates. i think that's what's got republican leadership really worried. one of the things playing into it is what's happening with the house speaker right now, when every poll that we've done when we've asked this question every single early voting state,

two-thirds of republican voters say that they are dissatisfied with their leadership in congress. their own party's leadership. >> patrick, this sounds like we could be talking in 2010 right now. right? >> yeah, right. this is, like -- this is a situation where republicans -- i think the difference here is that republican voters are now upset with their own party. >> yeah. >> in a way that we have never seen before and that's really the key. >> and so it's the crescendoing is higher relative to what it was in 2010 when we saw the tea party wave come through. what is the one number you're watching? >> one number i'm really watching is trump's favorability rating. does that go down below 50%. that will be the leading indicator of whether people -- republicans are starting to dessert donald trump. >> ben carson as we saw our poll here within the margin of error there, 20% to 21% with donald trump. let's listen to a focus group and what they said about carson. listen to that first. >> how many of you can imagine

ben carson not only becoming the republican nominee but the president, raise your hand. okay. >> i think he'd bring back the stature of the united states on the world stage. >> i think it would bring a lot of peace to the country. >> what would a ben carson administration be like? >> he would be going into negotiations or meetings with things well thought out and whatever cabinet he does put together will probably be some of the top minds around as well. >> he doesn't have the experience but i think that can be refreshing. >> voters in iowa and new hampshire speaking with bloomberg politics and that focus group there, surprising? >> no, not at all. i actually spent some time back in iowa myself back in august talking to these same voters and i heard the same thing. ben carson seemed presidential and as he started to rise after the first debate that's exactly what the voters were telling us. ben carson voters will not switch to donald trump, they consider him too erratic and

outside of what they consider to be president. when i talk about the difference, i talk about frustrated versus angry voters, angry voters will put anybody in who they think will go in and kick some butt, but the frustrated voters want somebody that appears presidential and that's what ben carson is presenting to them. >> the margin of error typically plus or minus five percentage points. when will things get real? >> things meet not get real until february 1st until we get to iowa, until we get to that very first contest which will winnow it down to maybe half a dozen or so. >> i love talking to big brings like patrick murray, thank you so much. >> my pleasure, richard? name dropping in search of a new speaker of the house but is paul ryan still refusing to run for that job? dentures look clean, in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend

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there's confusion as to who will emerge as gop front-runner for speaker of the house.

no clear candidate for the job after kevin mccarthy withdrew his name from consideration thursday. kristen welker is at the white house following developments there. good saturday to you. where does the gop go from here now? what is the name? >> reporter: lawmakers are trying to regroup, most of them at home this holiday weekend. and the name emerging as the most likely replacement for the current house speaker is former vice presidential nominee congressman paul ryan, but it's not clear that he wants the job. he's got a lot of broad support, though. take a listen to what some of his colleagues are saying. >> i know a lot of speculation about who should run and others. paul is looking at it, but it's his decision. if he decides to do it, he'd be an amazing speaker. >> if paul ryan got into the race, of course, i would support him. he's the kimnd of personal i would be excited about, the reason i got into the race is people like paul ryan weren't stepping up to do it. >> you have to bring the conference back together.

paul ryan will do it. it's the reason we're not trying to have any second candidates. when i said i would consider this, i'd be considering it only -- only -- if paul ryan doesn't run. >> reporter: so, there you have it. a lot of top republicans pushing for him to have that job, but ryan has called his current position a dream job. he's chairman of the house ways and means completety. just a reminder this comes after house majority leader kevin mccarthy stunned his colleagues by announcing he was dropping out. and reminder recently criticized by democrats and republicans for suggesting the benghazi committee was aimed at destroying clinton's poll numbers. meanwhile the house is facing a long to-do list including passing a spending bill to keep the government open and raising the debt limit or facing default again for now they're all on vacation. so, this situation remains unresolved. richard? >> kristen welker, reporting on what's right down the mall there, there at the capitol and debating who will be the next

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politics and the democratic front-runners clinton and bernie sanders preparing for tuesday night's big event the first democratic debate of the 2016 election. sanders giving a preview of his strategy in a new interview with msnbc's al sharpton. >> i have a lot of respect for hillary clinton and i've known her for 25 years as a friend, but we have real differences of opinions. i do not have a superpac. i don't represent the billionaire class. i don't represent corporate america. i don't want their money. reraise money differently. i have been firm in my opposition to disastrous trade agreements. so i know what i stand for. hillary clinton knows what she stands for. let's have that debate. >> joining us for more on that republican strategist susan delpersio and alina maxwell,

contributor to "essence" magazine, great to see both of you. >> great to see you. >> what do you want to talk about? >> i want to talk about the debate and not donald trump so much. >> let's talk about the debate and martin o'malley because i think that will be the lightning that could really direct where both sanders and clinton get out their messages. >> well, she's going to have a really tricky road to hoe because she'll have o'malley attacking her so she'll be in attack mode and she needs to be careful not to attack bernie sanders because he might give her subtle digs like representing the billionaire class and he's made a big deal of not going negative on her. it's a very tricky time for hillary clinton. >> what do you think? because what's his issue going to be in gun control he's written on a lot in the last month or two. how is he going to come out of this looking like a winner? >> o'malley will say i was the first one to come out with a plan on "x," "y," "z," and i'm

taking a stand while hillary clinton is just pandering to voters. he says that about tpp, for example, she's just now coming out in opposition. months ago i was first ahead of the game there, but i just think that he's going to have a tough time because what we're trying to do is get the base of the party which includes african-americans and as mayor of baltimore he has a very controversial record on criminal justice and police brutality, so he needs to attract those voters that are going to vote in these primaries but are very skeptical as an african-american community on his record. >> also he'll play on that executive experience saying i was a governor, i know how to lead. because don't forget unlike the republican party, the democrat party doesn't mind if you come from government or the establishment. we've seen that in poll after poll, so that message will not hurt him and i think that's also where he's going to say this is what i have done. show me what you have all done on this stage. >> i agree with that. there's a completely different dynamic in the republican party where they don't want anyone who has held elected office. i think as democrats we're having debates about policy as

opposed to personality which is what's going on on your side right now. >> we'll see. >> i think that can shift over the next few months. >> before it sift shifts we'll go back a couple of months and listen to hillary clinton. >> this tpp sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, a kind of environment that has the rule of law and level playing field. and when negotiated this agreement will cover 40% of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment. >> that was then. this is now, as you were noting, she's now against it. >> right. >> this is this going to be one of the common themes that will win? >> i think it's good for her. i think she's heading off an easy attack line. she's trying to get the base of the party, the bernie folks, on her side and they were very skeptical because she hadn't

taken a position on tpp yet. >> is she flipping? >> yes. >> does that work? does that clearly work against her is what i'm thinking? >> it won't work against her in the way we're thinking. >> not in the primary because she made a calculated decision. do i flip-flop and get the support from the left and come out with the positions similar to bernie sanders and keep the unions on my side. >> exactly. >> because they've been threatening her. or do i come off as a flip-flopper. she'll be forgiven more i think by the democratic constituency as a flip-flopper than she would selling out the unions. >> she needs the unions. >> they all do. bernie sanders, though, does he come at her with this? and does he come at her specifically in a much sharper way than we've seen him do to date? >> i don't know. i mean, i think that the attack where she hadn't taken a position was much stronger than now. okay, well, she's taken the position that i have. that attack line doesn't seem to land in the same exact way. i just think she's heading off

an easy attack and checking the box and saying i'll take the more progressive stance on this because the base of the party is skeptical of my progressive credentials. >> that being said don't underestimate the fact that bernie sanders may come out with three or four more policies asking her specifically, okay, so we know where you stand on the -- on the tpp. where do you stand on this? and putting her on the spot. >> so once we see that conflict back and forth between sanders and clinton, some of the numbers will go away and will they go to o'malley? there's the niceness and the cordiality that's been out there between the two if you will. >> there's also a segment of the di democratic party that isn't so progressive and liberal. they don't call themselves socialist. hillary clinton has moved so far to the left so they have alienated. just by given some visibility because o'malley has had none so

far he could see some kind of attention and a bump in the numbers. >> all right. i also want to talk about this. ben carson. i'll shift a little bit here, because the polls have been pretty interesting as of late. ben carson he spoke to nbc's andrea mitchell. i want to play that first. >> the holocaust, this also was raised and you suggested that if the jews had been armed, if they had had guns, hitler could not have succeeded. isn't that mischaracterizing the enormity of the -- >> well, not only the jews, but the entire populace. this is a general pattern that you see before tyranny occurs. there are many countries where that has occurred, where they disarm the populace before they impose their tyrannical rule. that's -- that's not a rare situation. >> susan, why does he go there? what does he get out of this? >> i have no idea. i really wish he would just go back to practicing medicine or

writing books because frankly this kind of conversation does hurt the republican party. yes, there are a lot of -- there are a segment of the republican party that are super for the second amendment and he is appealing to them. but they're usually just the loudest part of the party. so, yes, he's fighting for some votes here. but in the end, comments like that are just not helpful to the party. >> we're just talking about this patrick murray, that is ben carson represents sort of the presidential or more established if you will candidate in this case and trump does not. but then he makes comments like this. >> i mean, what's so interesting is it's really just a delivery. i mean, that comment is on par with some of the things donald trump has said in terms of the gaffability of it, but i think he's so mild mannered that we listen and we're, like, wait, he just said that the jews would not have been exterminated had they had guns which an incredibly offensive thing to say ever much less on national television. i think he gets away with a lot because he's a new face and he's

very mild mannered and people like his demeanor, but i don't think it's presidential what he said. >> he's been complaining a lot that things have been taken out of context and the press are after him, but the fact is welcome to prime time. this is it, ben carson. this is how you have to act. you may want to have an hour to explain yourself but sometimes you only have 60 seconds so get it together because those kind of comments do not work. >> the two of you know that well, every word counts. >> yes. >> thank you, have a good saturday. coming up, tomorrow at 8:00 on "politics nation" right here on msnbc you can catch the full interview with presidential candidate bernie sanders which we played a little bit of a second ago. 20 years later are they gathering to celebrate the million man march in washington? , the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about.

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pictures coming from the mall on that very anniversary as the programming gets going at this 12:47 hour eastern time, again, the 20th anniversary of the million man march in washington, d.c., in the national mall and tremaine lee is there following all of this for us. and tremaine, as you are there looking at the cloud, what has happened so far this morning? >> reporter: i tell you what, so before the sun rose above the national mall we already had thousands of people gathering from the nation of islam, people coming in from different cities and states. i'm not sure if you can see it but there are thousands of people as far as you can see. we're about the middle portion of the mall. still further back towards monument there are thousands more up towards the step there still people gathering. not just black men, women, families, all together. now i've had the opportunity to speak to a number of them. it's not just about making history. i know it's about justice.

and many were here 20 years ago when it was about atonement and responsibility and the minister farrakhan gave everyone a charge and mission to go back to their communities and make a difference. this year it's about justice or else. we're talking about police brutality and what many believe is a widespread matter of white supremacy that continues to linger. people are here to push back and demand justice. again, talking to so many people here 20 years ago and, again, still contingent about those who attended this march today to go home and do something with the tos and with the good spirits and energy. but, again, to a person everyone is excited to be here and if you could feel the mass of people, the mass of people, as far as you can see. that's right. >> it's a great experience to see this many people come together for this great cause. i really believe the past 20 years a lot has changed and i think it's time for us to continue doing things like this to make progress in our --

what's going on in this country today. >> just being here historically will mean something 20 years from now, so time and place is always important. i think, you know, being here was important for me and also my brother. >> truly amazing. fast-forward 20 years from now, like, this is so historic, i will want to bring my son who was 6 years old at the time and he's 26 now, so to be here at this historic place is truly amazing. >> reporter: you can hear that in their voices. it's not just about history, it's about fellowship and bonding with the black community but also about showing strength and unity and power in this mass of black people. there have been some concern about whether things would turn one way or the other but people here were never concerned about at the outset but wanted to express their support for justice needs to be visited upon black people now more than ever. richard? >> the tone very much how to move forward in a calm and

deliberate way vis-a-vis the interviews you have done and you shared with us. the names are different than 20 years ago, though. the names that are being brought to bear, trayvon martin and michael brown, are those being talked in the group, in the mass of those who are there for this million man march remembrance? >> reporter: well, what's interesting, you mentioned those names and 20 years. so many unarmed black people in particular, unarmed black men, have been killed by the police. now, behind me we saw sandra bland's mother and sister. we saw the mother oftry von m a martin and michael brown's father was on the stage. they are the lifeblood of this new movement. 20 years ago it was about self-responsibility coming out of the war on drugs and mass incarceration, the height of black-on-black violence and bloodshed. now it's about justice, taking onus on the system, and that's where folks are today. >> the programming just getting

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from peace to pain. a devastating deadly attack in turkey. richard engel is there with the latest for us live. and new details the oregon college gunman's hand-picked survivor reveals exactly what happened inside that classroom and paints a terrifying picture. a new call 20 years after that historic million man march, a gathering in washington demands justice or else. and taking flight. a change on airliners that will save passengers money. very good saturday to you and welcome to "weekends with alex witt." first breaking news 86 people dead and nearly 200 wounds after two bombs ripped through a unity rally in the turkish capital

ankara as the smoke cleared the dead lay covered in the peace flags they were waving just moments ago. joining us now from istanbul, turkey, live is nbc news chief foreign correspondent is richard engel where it's just hitting 8:00 p.m. there. richard, at this evening hour what do we know about who was behind this attack? >> the government has just said that there are strong indications that this was the result of two suicide bombings. and that would suggest that this was some sort of islamist group perhaps some isis affiliated organization, there's no claim of responsibility but it does bear all of the hallmarks of a an isis attack and that's what analysts in this country are saying as well. what happened was this morning there was supposed to be a peace and pro democracy rally. it was organized by one of the opposition parties here, an

opposition that wants the government to stop its war against kurdish separatists. a lot of the people who were at this rally were student leaders, intellectuals, kurdish nationalists. and they were arriving, and they were coming off of the main train station at ankara. these two explosions happened. and they -- initial reports were 30 dead. then it went up to 40 dead. n now the government is putting the death toll at 86 dead. there are some indications that it could be 96 or higher. 186 injured at this stage. and it is the worst attack in ankara in recent memory. >> richard, what is the presence of isis in that area? >> well, isis has quite a strong presence all across turkey, not

in ankara, necessarily, but once they are in turkey they can move around quite openly. and it would be easy to blame this on isis and blame this on an awful, evil organization that wants to kill people. the problem is right now there are many suspicions because of the timing. the country has election in three weeks. there have been terrorist attacks in the past. there have been vague and confusing claims of responsibility. so, there are many accusations being tossed around right now. some people say the government was linked. some people say the government didn't do enough to stop it. people here think that it may have been an isis orchestrated attack but they want to know the mastermind behind it. so, really at this stage we just know a horrible atrocity took place. but it's very difficult to describe the larger motivations

behind it. >> richard, turkey is a country you know well. what is ankara like? >> well, ankara is the government capital. ankara is generally a secure place. it is not a popular tourist destination. it is where people go to have contact with the government. it is a -- today was the scene of this pro-peace rally and a pro-democracy rally. people were going to ankara so they could deliver a message to the government. they were coming there by train and the bombs were either placed there or the government said suicide bombers were waiting there so that they could intercept this rally. this was no accident. this was an attack that was coordinated to attack a rally that had been prescheduled, a rally that was scheduled to

denounce the government and the call on the government to change its policies ahead of a key election. that's why so many people here, while they think isis may have been to blame, have deep suspicions in their mind. >> chief foreign correspondent richard engel live for us this in turkey. richard, thank you so much, with the very latest on that breaking news on this saturday. now, to north korea this hour and officials saying that 750,000 to 1 million people are participating in a massive military parade today. it was held to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the ruling workers party. kim jong-un presided over the ceremony complete with ballistic missiles saying his country was fully prepared with a fight with the united states. last month north korea said it was restarting its main nuclear facility and working on improving its nuclear weapons in quality and quantity. now, to the campaign trail in the united states where donald trump has just wrapped up a rally outside of atlanta

marking his first trip to georgia. he spoke to reporters before the rally and doubled down on his refusal to drop out despite his numbers starting to dip a bit. >> i'm not going anywhere. i'm leading in every single poll. i'm leading in every single state i'm leading. and i'm leading by a lot. wrapp impromptu question and answer there and katy tur was there. i heard him addressing your questions at the moment when he was standing amongst all of the black clergy there in norcross. and one must say here, katy, when you look at that picture of him with them there's a lot of questions that one might immediately ask. how was he received? >> reporter: well, he was received really well. the african-american pastors that he met with came out and supported him publicly in that press conference saying that they believe that he is the one that can turn this country around. they addressed whether or not he is a racist. they said they've heard that a

lot. they say they do not believe he is a racist and it's definitely one of those opportunities for donald trump to really come out and prove that he is being accepted by all kinds. of course, he's been criticized a lot by not being a uniter, by somebody who is going to be dividing this country and he will use this as evidence of him trying to bring people together. he's on stage right now here in norcross and it's been a rowdy speech so far, the crowd is receiving it well, a few thousand people here. as we've come to expect at his stump speeches, he started to attack his opponents. take a listen -- >> these people whether it's marco or jeb, it's all political stuff. it's so -- you get see tired of it. carlie, you know, that staccato like a machine gun after ten minutes, oh, please, you can't take it anymore. and then you look at the record and it's one of the worst i've ever seen. she got worst ceo in history. now, that's not a good sign. it's not a good sign.

but she's a nice woman, okay, please. and jeb is nice. and marco's nice. >> reporter: to this day the only personal he refuses to attack is ted cruz. he hasn't said a negative word about him. ted cruz came out and said he does not think donald trump is going to be president, he thinks his supporters will go to ted cruz. still today we asked him about ted cruz and what he felt about the comments he said, well, he's run inning for president, and refusing to say a remotely negative thing about ted cruz which is unusual and it makes you wonder what exactly is going on behind the scenes, richard. >> you know, katy, with that bit of sound you played for us i am guessing they might pick it up on "saturday night live" or the sentiment of it. but back to the news conference with the black clergy, were they there to endorse him? did they say anything in support

of donald trump? >> reporter: they didn't endorse him. they didn't say the words endorse. but they said they do support him and they are voting for him. i guess it's all but an endorsement without having said the word endorse. they came out here to say that donald trump is the person that they're going to vote for. the person they are advocating to win the presidency. also, by the way, before he took the stage, herman cain was on the stage, the onetime presidential candidate afrom a few years ago. so far herman cain has not come out to endorse anybody but it is notable that he was taking the stage at a trump rally before trump took the stage, richard? >> katy, in the crowd behind you, how would you describe who is there? right in the heart of the bible belt, right outside atlanta, georgia, a very large african-american community. >> reporter: it's a -- it's a mix of ages here is how i would describe it. there's not a lot of minorities in the crowd. there are some definitely. i wouldn't say there are none. but there are some.

mostly, though, it is a white crowd but it does span top to bottom in terms of ages. >> all right, katy tur, thank you so much there, at a donald trump rally and speech in norcross, georgia. thank you. there's new confusion as who will emerge as gop front-runner as speaker of the house. there's no clear candidate for the job after congressman kevin mccarthy withdrew his name from consideration thursday. kristen welker is at the white house following developments on that. there are those who say i don't want this and there are -- well, have we heard from any that say they do want it? >> reporter: well, look, it seems like what everyone wants is that they want this to be figured out. congress is basically in disarray right now. lawmakers trying to regroup. most of them at home this holiday weekend and, again, the name emerging august the most likely replacement for the current house speaker is former vice presidential nominee congressman paul ryan but it's not clear that he actually wants that job. t top republicans are pushing for him to have it but ryan has called his current position a

dream job. he's chairman of the house ways and means committee but it seems as though he has broad support including from some of his possible opponents, take a listen. >> if he got into the race, of course, i'd support him. he's the kind of person i would be excited about. part of the reason i got into the race because people like paul ryan weren't stepping up to do it. >> reporter: so there you have it. but, look, this is coming after house majority leader kevin mccarthy stunned his colleagues thursday by announcing he was dropping out. mccarthy wasn't sure he would have enough votes to get elected. and you'll recall, richard, that he was recently criticized by democrats and republicans for suggesting that the benghazi committee was essentially political, it was aimed at destroying secretary clinton's poll numbers. meanwhile, the house is facing a pretty long to-do list, they have to pass a spending bill to keep the government open and raising the debt limit or they'll face default. but, again, on this point they are all on break for the next ten days so this situation remains very unresolved,

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donald trump just a short time ago meeting with a group of black pastors outside of atlanta, georgia, also speaking live right now at a more formal, much larger event in, again, right outside atlanta, georgia, to talk about all this is eleanor clift washington correspondent for the daily beast and bob kusak, editor in chief of "the hill." donald trump amongst a dozen or so black religious leaders, the question some might ask is why he is doing this.

some of his critics have said he's not reached out to minority groups in the best way. what is his goal here? >> i think he wants to show that he's capable of having a broad appeal, that it isn't just necessarily disgruntled white folks who are drawn to his campaign, that he can attract other people. i think it's even been theorized that his strong stance on immigration, that he could somehow gain in the african-american community because they -- they feel like their jobs are threatened perhaps by migrants from mexico. i think that's a kind of a fantasy, but i think going into the south where there are a lot of grievances, they have just been through the whole battle over the confederate flag, i think it's important for donald trump and his ambitions to show that he's not, you know, carrying -- carrying a banner

for white supremacy, that he really does understand this is a diverse country. so, this is an attempt to do that. i don't know that the people who were appearing with him on the stage were actually supporting him, but everybody's willing to listen to him and, god knows, he's always an entertaining presence. >> god knows, that's a good segue here, bob, because, you know, he is there with pastors. and it -- you know, we just look back to earlier in to some of his statements about religion and how he answered those questions about how he would take communion and there was much criticism about the way he had talked about taking a sip of wine and having a cracker and then there are those who would say this is not a good resonance here when you look at the conservative bloc especially for these when we look at evangelicals. is he also trying to shore that up by showing he's standing next to other religious leaders? >> definitely. there's no doubt about it. in a couple months we'll be

fewer than ten candidates. maybe there will only be five or six so he's got to broaden his support. he's doing well with the evangelicals despite the controversial comments. but he needs to broaden his support just when we get to that point when there are just a handful of candidates. that's going to be a test of trump. obviously he's doing very well as he points out he's doing well in every poll. he's also i think going to try to get the magic of his first debate which i think he did quite well in, didn't do as well as in the second one. and the third one's going to be key. but i do think he's got to get to 45, 50% and to make the case, yes, i can be the republican nominee. certainly he has started off very strongly over the past three months. >> 45 to 50%, when do you think he'll get that? >> i think it depends on when the other candidates drop out, whether it's bobby jindal or rand paul or pataki, where there are small amounts of support, will they go to trump. and it's question of money.

can people stay in this race. walker couldn't. rick perry couldn't. and trump was part of the reason they got out. >> interesting part about that is when you look at the carson numbers as well as carly fiorina, if one of those would drop out if they would consolidate and move to the top spot because theoretically they could be the more established candidate. talking about trump, though, i want to get little bit of sound here, interviews from bloomberg politics, they conducted a focus group with undecided republican voters in iowa and new hampshire and they were talking about donald trump. listen to this. >> who would you pick between carson and trump? >> trump. >> carson. >> scott? >> carson. >> carson. >> carson. >> well, you can't pick it really. and that certainly is what we're seeing in the polls right now. what do you think here, eleanor? is that really the state of where the republican electorate is now, 13 months before the general election is?

>> i think both donald trump and ben carson are selling a very simplistic view of how you can fix the government, how you can make america great again. and people want to believe. i think with ben carson he did an interview recently. he was asked about raising the debt ceiling. and he refused to acknowledge that you raise the debt ceiling to pay for bills for services that the congress, that the country has already incurred. it's not to buy more things. it's to pay for what you've already bought. and he just refused to accept that and just kept on his same trajectory. and i think you see that. they're making up their own scenario. and they ignore facts. and people who raise all the little nuances of public policy, whatever kind are kind of

dismissed as worrywarts, all they need to do is bring their personality to bear. i think it's very attractive now. i guess i still think that some of our old politics will come back into play and that people will begin looking at experience and actual positions on issues. but we're obviously not at that stage yet. and i think i do remind myself that the iowa caucuses have not produced a winner in the last two presidential cycles. and so we shouldn't get all excited over early results as though that -- as though they will predetermine who the eventual nominee will be. >> bob, to you on this. some controversial comments coming from ben carson when he was speaking with my colleague andrea mitchell. he had made comments about gun control as well as the holocaust and the number of jews that may have not died had they been equipped with handguns.

with those statements being made by ben carson and previous ones as well, and the hypothesis has been put out that ben carson is the more established, if you will, between trump and carson, that doesn't seem to be coming to bear at least on some of the comments that's being made. but the polls seem to show that folks aren't minding necessarily the way ben carson is saying some very gaff-riffic as one of our guests said last hour, he's not paying the price of the polls. >> i agree with eleanor the normal rules of politics are not applying to the 2016 race on the republican side at least so far. i mean, when politicians or lawmakers invoke hitler, it usually is a bad thing. and certainly ben carson is not a politician. that helps him in some ways, and it hurts him in others. he has made some gaffs, these have not hurt him in the republican race. his support is very strong.

both for trump and carson. they have a strong core of backers. but that could certainly hurt carson if he were the nominee. and democrats, of course, are collecting all this information, all these controversial comments that anyone on the republican side is making, and they're going to be using against the eventual nominee. but it is interesting. i mean, we do have a while to go, but we are in october, and if you look at, you know, the so-called establishment candidates like jeb bush and rubio, that's who trump is going after. it's interesting he's not going after cruz. he's not going after carson. i think he's a little bit more concerned about bush and more recently rubio. >> thank you so much, bob and eleanor, for your time today. >> thank you. 20 years later a new march and a new demand for justice in washington, d.c. ♪ ♪

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airliners. regulators have not kept up with the growth in private drones. >> we want to keep them away from airports and under 400 feet or with the case of the small uas rule under 500 feet. i think there is still a question whether they also shouldn't be equipped with something that has a radio signal that allows us to track them otherwise. >> "the usa today" reporting that the faa typically prohibits drone flights near within 500 miles of the airport. but airline pilots have reported seeing drones while approaching busy airports. let's brick in david mindel a professor at mit and the author of "our robots ourselves, robots and the myth of autonomy." david, what's the right policy here to make sure that drones do not get in the way of our airline safety? >> well, i think we need to, you know, in some sense rethink the whole way that the airspace is structured. it's really oriented to having

people at keep points and, you know, remember every time that one of these drones gets near an airliner, it's a person who is flying it, who is putting it near an airliner, so it's partly an education issue, partly a training issue. but it's relatively easy to program a drone to say out of certain areas. it's the people who are flying them who are either unaware of the rules or not really living by the regulations. >> up to a million drones are to be sold it's estimated over this christmas season. a lot of questions here. there's also, you know, personal privacy. how do you govern, how do you control these drones as so many will be sold. what's your thought? >> well, i think, you know, i mean, on the one hand the drones are sort of a new form of photography. they provide a new presence, a new way of looking at our world which is one of the reasons people find them so exciting. we need to be prepared to live in a world where, you know, human directed vehicles like cars and trucks and airplanes

have to co-exist with remote vehicles and semiautonomous vehicles. and right now the system we live under is not really very well suited to that. but partly it's a matter of recognizing at every point there people are involved. >> how do we change that so it does become more well suited for that? >> well, you know, the faa is under a lot of pressure to make those changes and they are responding slowly, but they are responding. it's sort of a public education piece as well. there's a technology component. i agree that that every drone really ought to have kind of an adsb-type transmitter that an airliner does. >> what's that? >> that's the faa next generation air traffic control system where every aircraft in the air spice beeps out its location and that allows other aircraft to avoid them. >> i was reading an article in "business insider" about an anti-uav defense system. basically it creates this sort of virtual dome if you will so that if a -- a drone gets close

to it, it freezes it and it can't go past it. is that a technology that might work well? >> well, i think those things are going to start coming up if there isn't a better solution. but, again, if you create rules that require each of these vehicles to behave in the same way that airplanes do, which is to sort of be registered and licensed like your car, then it's relatively straightforward to program in the airspace and say you can go in certain areas and attumet ltitude and you can other places. that seems to be a pretty good way to go. >> david, thank you for your time today. >> thanks. it's a message about guns that uses humor. an ad campaign that's gone viral. but is it hitting the mark? rea. rea. but demand for our cocktail bitters was huge. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us. we didn't need a loan. we needed short-term funding. fast. our amex helped us fill the orders. just like that.

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a new interviewer airing on this weekend's "60 minutes" president obama argued forcefully against the notion that president putin is challenging his global leadership. >> when i came into office, ukraine was governed by a corrupt ruler who was a stooge of mr. putin. syria was russia's only ally in the region. and today, rather than being able to count on their support and maintain the base they had in syria, which they've had for a long time, mr. putin now is devoting his own troops, his own military, just to barely hold together by a thread his sole ally. >> joining me now is a "new york times" steven lee myers formerly based in moscow and baghdad and author of the "new czar the rise and reign of vladimir putin." thank you for being here. you heard the answer to that

question. is president obama being challenged by vladimir putin in global authority in leadership as the question? >> i think vladimir putin would certainly see it that way. he sees what the united states has been doing in countries like iraq and in libya and now in syria as wielding of aggression, unilaterally unchecked by anyone. and he very much opposes this idea of the u.s. knock over governments. in this case in syria i think he drew a line and said that he was going to put the full force of the russian military behind the assad government in order to stop that. whether or not that's a direct challenge to the united states, i think part of the problem is the united states isn't sure what its end game in syria is, though they would like to see assad go, their main focus right now is fighting the islamic state. in russia's case, in putin's mind, the main goal right now is keeping up the assad government as the president said. >> would you see here as

vladimir putin considers his next steps and his goals there in syria as you were just describing that we might see troops on the ground, that we'll see boots on the ground as has been asked? >> you know, they have put a fair number of troops on the ground as force protection to support the activity of the aircraft that are based there. but i would not expect a large deployment of russian troops. i mean, i think one thing that everybody would agree is that there's not ultimately going to be a military solution to the war in syria. what i think putin is trying to do is make sure that the assad -- is very much part of what will be a negotiated solution at some point. >> why does he need syria? >> i think he looks at syria for a lot of reasons as president obama mentioned that, you know, historic reasons. there have been close ties there. it is the place where russia has its only base outside of the former soviet union a naval base on the coast, but i think really he's standing up in his mind for two things. one is the principle that he,

ru russia, can intervene in a country to support its leader in the way in his mind the united states has intervened in other countries including libya and including iraq and afghanistan. i think he's fighting for that principle saying if the united states can do it, russia can do it. the second thing is i think he very much sees a threat. this is where i think the international community can agree with him. there is very much a threat of the islamic state spreading. there are russian ethnic russians, russians from the muslim southern republics, who are fighting with the islamic state right now in syria. and russia sees the advance of the islamic state as something that could potentially affect its own borders. >> does russia want conflict with the united states in this theater? >> you know, i don't think russia does. because russia understands, as we understand, that, you know, a conflict between the united states and russia, between two nuclear superpowers, is no one's interests. but i also think he very much wants to assert his right and

russia's right to exercise power in certain areas unchecked by the united states. so, i don't think that he's trying to seek conflict with the united states, but he's very much drawing a line to say this is where i'm going to be able to operate. you see it with nato in europe as well in the arctic you're seeing it and certainly now in middle east. >> okay, thank you very much steven lee myiers for your great insight in to what is happening right there in syria and the region. appreciate your time today. >> thank you. let's head to washington, d.c., now where thousands are crowding the national mall to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the million man march. msnbc's trymayine has been talking to people there as well and headliners that take the entire community back 20 years and forward. >> reporter: that's right, richard. you can see behind me the minister louis farrakahn is speaking and he's paid homage to

hispanics who have come. and he said there -- what use is freedom if there's no sacrifice. it's not lost on this crowd at all. if you listen right now can hear a pin drop as the minister is speaking. but, again, it's about sacrifice and 20 years ago this was about a day of atonement. a day of self-respect and community respect and reconciliation. today it's a demand for justice. now, i had a chance to speak with some people in the crowd. and just take a listen what they had to say, how deeply this is resonating with them. >> seeing everything that's, you know, been going on, on the news, you know, to, you know, these young women, young men, you know, you know, by, you know, police, you know, strangers, people taking stuff too seriously. i would say, look, we need, you know, we need, you know, to come together, you know, dialogue instead of argue over religions, color, things like that. let's just dialogue, you know, before, you know, someone, you know, gets, you know, even more seriously hurt. >> black lives do matter and

that the cops and the community need to come together and realize that black lives do matter and you just can't do what you want anytime you want and just take away our life. >> reporter: i think almost to a person when you speak to people it's not lost on them the gravity of this moment and this broader conversation around black lives matter in america and police brutality, but it's also about unity and minister farrakhan said, again, about that idea of sacrifice. communal sacrifice to make the life and living worth that much. back to you, richard. >> what would be the one word you have heard the most since you have been there? >> reporter: it's a mix. i wouldn't say one word. but, again, it's a sense of unity and power within that unity. i think 20 years ago this was a brand-new idea. and some outside the community had fears that a million black men gathering, what would that be like, they were concerned. but when you talk to people that were there then, it was an

empowering moments that plamted the seeds for people to go back much stronger and that's the sense, again, today but instead of reconciliation within the community it's about taking the strength and holding truth to power and forcing some broader change in america. thus the name of this march, justice or else. >> minister lewis farrakhan for the nation of islam, speaking live right now as he did 20 years ago when he spearheaded this million man march and our correspondent there live. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. how a redesign of airlines could save frequent flyers plenty of cash. it's not likely to go away on its own. so let's do something about it. premarin vaginal cream can help. it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused

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alcohol awareness, breast cancer awareness, they all started with new ways in. traditional advocacy marketing is very traditional. >> and let's talk about what's not traditional, wuj one of yous that's become quite viral, i'll play it right now. >> after using a firearm, you should clear the chambers and check it again. if there's a safety, put it on. i want to thank you for not being an american who -- leaves their firearms in the couch cushions or a ledge above the playpen. >> being responsible in your gun ownership, this is one of the messages that evolve usa is pushing out there. what he is saying, of course, be responsible in a funny way. is that resonating? >> it is. people love it. these messages, we had zero media spend in all of our psas. and they -- they are the most viewed spots in the world, in the country. >> both sides like it.

>> yes. yes. so, what you have is -- you need to get more distribution of these spots. we don't talk to people in the way that they traditionally in this space how they want to be talked to. we need to talk like regular people. >> but, rebecca, some might say here, after sandy hook, after many of the incidents that the president is not happy with, is this the right tone? >> we should be talking about this before the incidents happen. >> with humor. >> right. the problem is, is that the -- the conversations are pulled out and mobilized around the mass shooting, around that milk carton moment, but it's what happens a week after. so, once you have stopped talking about this on your air, then what? so, we have to stop with the no it all-ism here's the solution and pull out the background check belt. >> you're pushing personal responsibility. it's pretty tough, though, to measure.

it's tough to watch. it's tough to, if you will, govern. is this really the happy medium? what else will you add to this? >> it's not just personal responsibility, it's responsibility, corporate responsibility, that's media responsibility. that is personal responsibility. so, right now walmart should be looking at black friday's coming up, the number one gun sales day of the year. where is the safety campaign in the store? if you are shopping at walmart, there's a direct responsibility. this year they launched a kids don't die in hot cars car seat campaign. they spent a million dollars. they put a challenge out to the industry because they said they are responsible. now, millions of cars in the parking lot, millions of gun buyers, what are they doing? the nfl, director of responsibility. every corporation has a director of responsibility now major corporation. what are we doing to talk to consumers? we have to take this conversation out to the streets of america. >> rebecca bond from evolve usa pushing a nonprofit group for a happy medium there when we talk

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