sanders how he addresses questions of racial equity. rebecca and sabrina there in vegas, looks nice out there, thank you both. that is all in for this evening. t"the rachel maddow show" skart right now. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. rachel has the night off. we begin tonight with sweat. yes, sweat. i mean it has played a bigger role in our political life than you might think. it played a role in america's very first televise the presidential debate when richard nixon's pale perspiring face may have cost him the election against the tell jennic jfk. this year sweat has made something of a little comeback. donald trump seems to be obsessed with it, be specifically how much of his rivals for the republican presidential nomination produce. it was in the very first moments of his campaign speech that. trump mocked rick perry for how sweaty he was at his campaign

kickoff claiming his inability to control his perspiration would make him bad at fighting isis. after last month's debate, the donald claimed rubio was the sweatest young guy he's ever seen. then he sent the florida senator a care package of trump branded water bottles and towels. that's just on the republican side. this weekend income an interview on the podcast another round, it was hillary clinton's turn to answer some questions on the sweat subject. >> in preparation for this interview, i watched a lot of your interviews. and i noticed you never sweat like physically. >> the sweatest humans on the planet. >> i've done like a little bit of press. i get so hot tv lights, stage lights. what is your deodorant situation. >> when you've done as much as i have. >> what is your secret. >> you do it so often. you did didn't see me 40 years ago when i did my first ones. >> i just mean physically hot.

i'm curious what your deodorant is. >> i just turned off the thermostat is. a sprays situation, is that a liquid? >> i am not joking. >> solid block. solid block is much better. >> okay. this is an odd question that i lobbied for a lot because it's one of my favorite questions to ask people. if you don't have an answer, that's fine. but i will be a little sad. what's the weirdest thing about me. >> that i don't sweat. >> obviously. >> hillary's a robot, zero sweat. >> you guys are the first to realize that i'm really not even a being. i was constructed in a garage in palo alto. a very long time ago. people think that you know bill gates and steve jobs, they created it oh, no, a man whose name shall remain nameless created me in his garage. >> election 2016. so when hillary clinton takes the stage in las vegas tomorrow

night at the very first democratic presidential primary debate, that's one thing she won't have to worry about. sweat. but if you listen to the pundits she hey may have to be worried about everything else just as in her previous campaign for office, hillary clinton is getting every piece of conflicting advice you can be imagine. don't be too stiff, too folkscy, to sent tryst mushy. don't be too weak but don't attack a socialist from vermont who the everybody of beak likes. one of the main things to watch tomorrow night. we know from the face-offs with nen senator obama that hillary clinton is a debater who can land a punch when he she wants to, but even though senator sanders is her main rival, few expect her to go on the attack. senator sanders has been drawing massive crowds just this weekend, he spoke to 9,000 supporters in colorado and 13,000 in arizona. those are medium sized crowds for him. he leads in recent plos in new hampshire and raised almost as

much money last quarter as the clinton campaign. but hillary clinton is still far and away the front-runner. in the latest national poll out yesterday, sanders is her closest rival with joe bide in third. to be fair he has not yet declared, everybody else is 2% or less. clinton still leads sanders by almost 20 points. take joe biden out of the equation and she leads by almost 25 points. in the early voting states beyond new hampshire the story is the same. hillary clinton captures 50% of the democratic vote in nevada with sanders and biden splitting the rest. in south carolina, she beats sanders by over 30 points and biden scores a rare second place ranking. bernie sanders is doing better than anyone expected but in the context of tomorrow's debate, he has nowhere to go but up. whereas hillary clinton could only be hurt by her debate performance. when your numbers are good, any change is likely to be bad. we're expecting hillary to aim

for the goldilocks zone. don't disappoint supporters or repel potential voters. just keep things rolling. the idea she only has something to lose is the basis for her opponents' demands there be more debates. they all agree there should be more than the currently schedule would six. o'malley has practically made the push for more debates his platform charging the committee is limiting debates to help clinton. even secretary clinton has said she's open to more debates but debbie wasserman-schultz has been adamant about only having six. congresswoman schultz was nearly shouted down eight conventioning in new hampshire last month by democratic primary members chanting we want debates. now demands are coming from high in the dnc's own ranks. congresswoman and dnc vice chair tul sill gabbard was on this network one week ago calling for

debates. she says the next day she was disinvited from tomorrow night's debate. a person close to the committee told "the new york times" that wasn't true "she was not uninnen vited. the team wanted this first debate to have all the focus on the candidates and her people were told if they couldn't commit to that since tulsi was trying to divide the leadership last week, they should consider not coming." i just think you should consider not coming. as that passive aggressive battle for now there are going to be six debates. the candidates not hillary clinton are hoping to break through in some way. maybe sanders will come out swinging to try to knock her off her game a little bit. "the washington post" is suggesting jim webb could be account wildcard who really sthaiks shakes up the debate? jim webb be? who has such a low profile al o a magazine did an investigation into whether he was really

running for president. maybe he's just been humpbering down and preparing for his big debate moment. but of all the things hillary clinton has to worry about, the biggest unknown is vice president joe biden. cnn is touting the fact they have a podium ready for the vice president if he decides toage up in at the last minute tomorrow afternoon. it must be driving clinton crazy that he gets to eat into her poll numbers and media attention while not even running. but if biden weren't a potential rival, he might have good advice for clinton because seven years ago, biden was in acular position to hers when he went up against sarah palin in the vice presidential debate. it was a foregone conclusion he was going to win. no one expected her to be do well against biden. so biden's challenge was how to manage expectations and get through the debate and win without seeming like a bully or

an elitist. he had nothing to gain in the debate but he came off as obnoxious or condescending, he could do great damage. biden pulled it off. and now it's hillary clinton's turn. her rivals are doubtless going to land some punches tomorrow night. most of them have nothing to lose. so what is she going to doing? joining us now is msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt live from las vegas. great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be with you. >> so hillary clinton has reportedly been going through heavy debate prep in the past few days. bernie sanders claims to be taking a lady back approach. how do you think that factors in to the debate tomorrow night? >> look, i think it fundamentally underscores the differences between these two people as politicians. you think about bernie sanders long history in the senate. he's somebody who has really held to the same policy platform for many years for a long time, it didn't work. he ran several times for local

office and lost. when he finally won, he stayed and he's very comfortable going back to those core messages that he's been talking about all his life. hillary clinton on the other hand, has been somebody who has been a sturdier her whole life, how she was back when she was a student at wellesley, this is something that comes very naturally to her and something that that was on display quite a bit even in the debates in 2008. we focused to a certain doog on some of the mistakes she may have made. she delivered a series of strong performances on policy issues. she's in many ways going back to that. it's a way for her to be on ground that's comfortable for her. i think those two styles will come into play tomorrow on the debate stage. >> so let me ask you about that clinton style in the context of a 2016 campaign. again, obviously this is the first time we have seen the democrats together on stage. but the republicans are set a bit of a tone in this particular primary season for you know kind

of the thee attics. it does not sound like hillary clinton will be bringing three theatrics. >> cnn has come out and said we don't think the ratings will be as high as they were for the republicans. what's been going on the debate stages on the republican side is unprecedented. this is going to be something that i think focuses in a different direction. while we've looked at the way these candidates might jostle up against each other, we've heard from people inside bernie sanders camp this is going to focus on policy, where his policy differs from what hillary clinton has done over the years. you've started to see that over the past couple of days with him emphasizing he voted against the iraq war originally. that's a pretty central contrast, if you look at issues like the keystone pipeline, the ttp, those are the things we'll see between the two off them. one question mark on fireworks is martin o'malley. he's been trailing in the polls.

he's down around the same kind of areas where lincoln chafee and jim webb was. he was a popular governor of a blue state in maryland. he's struggled to break out. i think the question that and what i've been hearing from people on the ground, they've thought how he might enter into this. if you remember in 2012, tim pawlenty threatened to take the stage against mitt romney and he previewed an attack ahead of time and failed to deliver on the debate stage. it helped end his candidacy. that's kind of what we're going to look for tomorrow from o'malley. is he going to come out swinging, land a punch or two on hillary clinton in a way that makes him look bigger like somebody who might break out or are you going to see him fade further into the background. >> this question of being on a stage with folks hoks are polling as poorly as mrs. o'malley or mr. webb does set up a circumstance where those folks have already nothing to lose and it does feel like here we are in vegas where the

fights happen and theatrics happen. they may be the ones that can draw that attention. >> it's possible. you were talking a little bit earlier about how hillary clinton does have quiet a bit potentially to lose. the reality is that's just the set of expectations that go along with being a frontrunner, especially a frontrunner so dominant as she has been despite the stumbles and problems, whether it's benghazi. if she makes a mistake, she's going to contribute to the sense there are problems in had her campaign. as we're waiting for joe biden to make a decision, that's going to add fuel to the fire. for all the other candidates on the staining, they still are take agopportunity to introduce themselves to the american people. in many cases it's going to be one of the biggest audiences they've ever spoken to. it's hard to go down from where they are. for clinton the stakes are extraordinarily high and the people know it very well.

>> just a one-word answer, do you think biden is going to come and take the empty podium? >> that is not for me to say, melissa. i'll report. the rest of you can decide. >> conjecture. >> i think that those that i have spoken to here i think are convinced the democrats that several of them were on the same plane i flew out here this morning in the hauls at the wynn and they are leaning towards him getting in at this point. >> kasie hunt live tonight from las vegas. thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks. there's a lot more ahead tonight including america's next speaker of the house. dick cheney. really somebody is suggesting dick cheney. these are desperate times among republicans in washington. and that's next.

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john boehner is he did care about the institution. he recognized that nobody gets 100% in our democracy. i won't say that he and i were ideal partners but he and i can talk and we could get some things done. >> he and i could talk? we could get some things done says the president on "60 minutes" yesterday? maybe they could. there was a fair bit of evidence they could not get things done. john boehner took control and i use that term loosely of the house in 2011. as speaker he's had the dubious distinction of presiding over the least productive congresses in modern history. the 11st congress passed 286 bills. the 113th got more done with 296 bills but the combined productivity of the 11th and 113th congress is the lowest back to back of any congresses on record with just 581 bills

passed. compare that to the 110th and 111th sunday nancy pelosi where she ushered through 843. john boehner's tenure included a 16-day government shutdown and a few more near shutdowns, a debt ceiling crisis and a speaker who never had any bill signing ceremonies he could take pride in. boehner took his very first flight on air force one this past summer when the president attended the funeral service for the nine victims of the shooting at the ame church. that was his very first time flaying with this president this past summer. and if there is one thing that president obama and john boehner do agree on, it's a shared love of golf. during their years together they went golfing together a total of one time in 2011. after that it became clear they couldn't go again. >> if i go down to see president obama, the right begives to wonder what i'm up to.

the left begins to wonder what the president's up to. the president's suggested, do you think it's too much trouble if we play golf again? i have to look at him and say yes, because it just everybody gets. >> bent out of shape. >> worried about what we're up to. when all we're going to do is play golf. >> just trying to play golf and people are getting bent out of shape. these people getting bent out of shape are the reason he decided to quit his job and kevin mccarthy decided to pull out of the speaker race and the reason the race for speaker is in a state of utter chaos right now. they are 40 some members of congress who want to shake sure whoever is speaker never golfs or works with president obama. they're called the freedom caucus and their membership is unknown. we do know about them that there isn't net public list of the members but that vaguely four-fifths of the caucus was elected after president obama took office on an anti-obama,

anti-obamacare tea party wave. the third were elected in the tea party heyday of 2010. now they're causing the current leadership crisis in the party. there are 435 members of the house. 247 are republicans. to become speaker, somebody's going to need 218 votes. right now, 40 some members are blocking any speaker from getting elected. and that is why we have a slew of people being floated as possible speakers. as of friday, 20 some candidates. now we can add texas congressman bill flores to that group and michael mccaul. and i have one more to add from texas, congressman pete sessions. that makes five total from texas. we also got utah congress man ron bishop's name and mike pompeo from kansas increasing the number of potential speakers to 25 not including the noncongressional candidates like newt gingrich who said he would do it, the junior senator from the great state of arkansas, tom

cotton telling politico today that he would like to see former haven't dick cheney as the speaker. there is only one candidate being taken seriously. that is congressman paul ryan who does not seem to want the job. former presidential candidate mitt romney reportedly lobbied him to run this weekend though it doesn't seem to have made much of an impact other than maybe influencing ryan's halloween costume chance. ryan now saying he will be going as mitt romney for halloween. it's unclear if paul ryan will get in. his spokesman tweet nothing has changed regarding the congressman and not to anticipate any news this week. we're at a bit of a standstill. i'm sure we'll get more candidates to add to our ginormous chart here. for the moment we're in limbo. it's unclear what happens next and when the republicans will

get just one speaker. joining me now is jake sherman, senior congressional reporter for politico. >> thanks for having me. >> when you hear the president talking about all that he and speaker baner were able to get done, is he just -- is he trolling the republicans? is he stirring the pot because he knows that's precisely what they don't want is a speaker who work with them? >> he was trying to say he could at least have an honest conversation with baner. that's what people say they're going to mitts about him in that position is that he was able to talking about what he could and could not do in an honest way. and that's refreshing because there's a lot of people who overpromise in washington. john boehner knew the limitations of his power which were everybody knows they're on display a lot on capital little. i think the president appreciatated that. >> paul ryan seems to share some of those attributes, somebody who is a straight shooter and

can have these conversations even if there's disagreement. there are caucus members suggesting they could get behind ryan. will that help to change the congressman's mind? >> that's unclear. nobody has been able to get to ryan to get a real answer out of him. you showed his spokesman's tweet we shouldn't expect any news this week. if i were a gambling man, ryan is looking at it and the calls might become too overwhelming. in conversations with people that talking to ryan i've spoken to, i think he wants to be the consensus candidate. he doesn't want to fight or take heat. he wants to be the guy that the everyone wants. he's close to that. this is somebody you talked about 218 votes. he would get very close to that if not over that. he is a very popular figure. there are some people on the right that are beginning to say he's a squish, he's not a real he conservative. paul ryan is a well-known

conservative, someone whose conservative credentials are kind of unimpeachable. >> i'm a feminist. >> me too. >> right? i fundamentally believe that no means no. but i do have to wonder if congressman ryan is playing a little bit here, if there's a kind of theater to this so in fact he becomes the consensus candidate because everything seems to be falling apart and that actually allows him to do a power play in walking into the speaker role. >> you might be overreading it a bit. he does not want to be speaker. he has resisted several requests over the years to join house republican leadership. he hates it. he doesn't like the fund-raising. he wants to go home to janesville. the people i talked to who know his life back there, he's going to his kids' soccer games and stuff like that. this isn't an act. if he were speaker, his job would blow up. for somebody with young kids, it's difficult.

boehner has two grown children. he's able to go out on the weekends and raise money and travel around the country. ryan does not want to do that. whether he's wooed by these calls from pundits and from lawmakers and mitt romney and friends and family, that's to be seen. my guess is yes, but i've been all over the place on this in the last couple days. >> the question for me is in three months, six months, 12 months at the presidential election, will this have been a news cycle blip or senior this a meaningful disintegration of how we've understood how the republican party operates in the u.s. house of representatives? >> this is a true boilover. i've been covering it house republican conference since 2009 when the republicans were in the minority. this is truly the moment -- we've seen a bunch of those moments. the government shutdown, the near debt default. this is kind of the culmination of all of those things. this is the really come to jesus moment if you the will of the

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if you believe in the ferguson effect, then you believe the protests over police killings of michael brown and protests like them over other police killings in other cities have led police to back off from doing their jobs and that that has led to a rise in crime, that there is known as the ferguson effect and along with it the related youtube effect has been the talk of police officers and politicians for months now. but is the ferguson effect real? do officers hold back from their duties because they fear ending up on youtube or something else at work? mark claxon is director of black law enforcement alliance and a former new york city police officer. thanks for being here, mark. >> thanks, melissa. >> i think there are many important reasonable things for police officers to be afraid of in their work that makes perfect sense to me. but i'm not quite sure what to do with i'm afraid i might be seen doing my work. it's a democracy. we should be able to see the

police doing their work, right? >> yeah, you would think so. it is an absurdity. even the theory about this ferguson effect and how police officers and documentation, video documentation of police officers engaged in all types of behavior would have a direct impact on the police officer's willingness to actually work is really offensive and speaks poorly to the profession itself. i mean the nature of police work is pro activity. and it is not contingent upon whether or not you accept or believe in reform or change or adaptations that people demand. it is a requirement you know based in what you swore to uphold and protect. >> marq, this is one of the challenges. we don't have an opportunity usually to talk to men and women who are policing at this time, right? you usually can't talk to folks till they're retired. given these are politicians and top brass officials, if they're actually saying things about frontline officers that aren't

true, in other words, the officers are still out there doing their jobs and that this is just kind of a way of almost blaming them for the rise in crime in these cities. >> it's really a crazy situation and many of those individual hozzle come out with these theories about the ferguson effect and i'm talking about legislators and other supposedly government officials that are supposedly other responsible individuals are really attempting to continue this thing about lionizing police officers about venerating police officers and in essence, and for all practical purposes granting police officers diplomatic immunity. so they behave in such a way that is blind to the realities. and that's why there's some pushback when you talk about youtube or these videos that come out of cameras orrer evidence itself because it shatters their attempts to lionize law enforcement. and to go further than that, that would be a huge mistake if

this trend towards lionizing or venerating law enforcement continues because police officers are public servants paid by the public dollar. they are not victims. they are volunteers who get paid and should be held to a certain standard. it is the profession that has taken a tremendous hit when you have individuals who will not recognize what is wrong with the protection itself. >> i have to say the other thing that's surprising for me is this language of career-ending youtube videos when much of what for example the black lives matter is about is about the nonindictment. if you think for example in new york, those protests did not occur immediately after mr. garner's death. they occurred after the grand jury did not indict. it's been a year. still no indictment in the death of tamir rice. i think it seems odd to hear that officers are the once sort of fearing the end of their career. >> well, you know, police officers, law enforcement community police officers in particular become very defensive when they're questioned or god

for bid criticized and the reaction, the natural reaction is to invoke what i mentioned earlier. that's as if they had diplomatic immunity because we assume this dangerous position, we took this job, we took this oath, we wanted this career, and it's dangerous, then we should be allowed to do all manner of things and not be criticized or requested about it. like i said, it doesn't bode well for the profession and indicates a clear and -- a clear lowering of professional standards across the nation. and many of these incidents have also exposed there is no professional national professional standard pore police agencies. what they do in cleveland or what they do in california or new york could be vastly different and the response oftentimes is vastly different. >> a little bit of a dustup whether or not the department of justice should, in fact, enforce collection of this use of force data. what do you say? should it have to be collected by departments?

>> absolutely. >> yeah. >> absolutely. i mean, you can't fix it if you can't chart it. so they should definitely definitely collect the data. >> marq claxton, director of the black law enforcement alliance. always a pleasure to talk with you. >> thanks, melissa. >> still ahead tonight the strange but true intersection of republican presidential politics and the guy who plays important stash on orange is the new black". i swa irto you those two worlds collided today and we have the tape to prove it. and that is just ahead. mornings. wonderful, crazy mornings.

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including big names like donald trump and bernie sanders. and if you did happen to be watching, you may have noticed some vaguely familiar faces in the crowd. every once in awhile somebody sort of kind of familiar would pop up holding a microphone for the questioners in the audience. people like this guy. he did play a mailman on tv, new man will from from seinfeld. his biggest nemesis was working the crowd in new hampshire. this next guy might be a little bit harder to identify because right now, he looks less pervy than the character he portrays on orange is the new black". that is important stash. the prison correction officer warming up the crowd just a few minutes before a new jersey governor chris christie. here's another. if you get this one, there's a chance you're watching too much tbs. richard kind was in mad about you and it seems like everyone on the staff knows him best as the voice of a character in "a bug's life." so that was the scene in new hampshire po ticks today. a room full of people you just

can't quite put your finger on. and i bring this up because you may experience the same thing during tomorrow's democratic presidential debate. yes, hillary clinton and senator bernie sanders will be there. you might know governor o'malley. some of the other candidates are about as recognizable than the guy from bug's life. the only saving grace is there are only just five of those to keep track of in the democratic debate. on the republican side, it's another story all together. there's still 15 candidates. either voters don't know them or don't want to to know them. here's the latest presidential poll. donald trump is still in the lead with 27%. dr. ben carson still polling in second with 21% of the vote. none of the other candidates polled in double digits not a single one. bobby jindal and george pataki are polling as risks .5% of the vote. that means one or maybe two people would he actually pick

bobby jindal or pataki to be president. lindsey graham does not even register on the latest poll. they get whatever is less than asterisk. they get a dash? if you look at this latest data is who has the highest favorability in the field. dr. ben carson is in second place in the race but he has the highest favorability of any of the candidates. 62%. remarkably high actually. even though he says things like this. >> i would not just stand will there and let them shoot me. i would say hey, guys everybody attack him. he may shoot me but he couldn't get us all. >> what did you mean. >> i want to plant in people's mind what to do in a situation like there. unfortunately, this is probably not going to be the last time this happens. >> the likelihood of hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly

diminished if the people had been armed. >> is that hust hyperbole to use nazi analogies. >> not at all. >> there is something deeply troubling about blaming that dr. carson is not only a top tier candidate, he is also viewed in a deeply favorable light. america, i'm going to need us to do a little better. that does it for us tonight. rachel will be back tomorrow. now it's time for "the last now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> thank you very much. >> thanks. most house republicans are praying that paul ryan will save them but one republican thinks only god can save them now. that republican will be my first guest. >> i haven't changed my mind. my answer is still the same. >> house republicans continue don't seem to be taking no for an answer. >> i have nothing more to say. >> paul ryan does not have to run for speaker. >> as one of his friends told reporters, because he's not a [ bleep ] moron.