the "x" factor if you will is vice president joe biden. >> he could take part even if he waits until the last minute to enter even if he waits to the last minute to enter is the race. not since hamlet has so much drama hung up on one man. >> the stage might as well have one extra podium. >> the clock is ticking for joe biden. >> to run or not to run, in a the question. >> will air force two suddenly start flying this way, westward to las vegas tuesday night? ♪

>> that is an entrance. >> it might be a little too much about potential here. i think it might be made up drama. >> i know you love that movie, "con-air". >> it is tuesday. we have political writer for the "new york times". and editor of the washington woeft. eugene robinson is with us. >> how can it get any better than that? >> well, it does look. senior analyst koki roberts. wherever there is drama and lots of shady things going on, you find mark. >> i don't even know what that means. >> good. i've got a lot to get to.

>> baseball last night. >> somebody tweeted. >> premature tweet. >> governor abbott congratulated the astros for advancing to the alcs. and then the royals score five in the eighth. >> wow. unbelievable comeback by the royals. when something like that happens you think team of destiny. what about the new york mets last night. >> the mets took care of business. that's the way you have to do it. >> up 2-1. then of course an extraordinary series for the midwest. central time zone. so we don't ever talk about it. but i hear the cubs and the cardinals, they don't like each other. >> they have been playing each

other 110 years. they despise each other, which is wonderful. the cubs just laid it on. six home runs last night. each longer than the prior home run. >> this is an incredible series. all joking aside. the cubs and the cardinals in october. what could be better? >> just to see playoff baseball at wrigley field. the cubs will advance tonight. the mets will advance tonight. you could have mets/cubs. though the dodgers have two of the best in the last two games. >> the mets are a pretty good match. >> shocking news that alex sent out. apparently "playboy" is not going to be -- >> that was not in our note. >> it was in our note. they are not going to show nude pictures anymore in "playboy". >> oh, really? that's news? >> where are people going to go to see nude pictures? >> the internet. the cat is out

of the bag they do that there. >> on the world wide web. >> we are so desensitized "playboy" can't even sell magazines with nude pictures. >> the old ball coach retiring. >> he's going to be golfing a lot. >> on okay. the first democratic presidential debate is just hours away in vegas. can you feel the drama? >> i feel it. >> the position of the five candidates on the stage at the wynn hotel is based on the collection of national polls taken since august 1st. hillary clinton front and runner. the next highest polling candidate, bernie sanders, will be to her right. martin o'malley to her left.

and link op chaffee on the outside. in the unlikely event that joe biden decides to participate, there is apparently a podium waiting for him as well. she has a 16-point lead over sanders in our cnn/orc poll. in a new poll out of south carolina, she's running even better. 25-point lead over biden when he is included in the race. and 50-point lead over the rest of the field when vice president is not included. and clinton made her presence in las vegas felt early after touching down yesterday making a surprise appearance at a union rally outside the trump international hotel. she joined about 500 members of the culinary union who organized the protest to demand that trump allow workers at his hotel to unionize. >> some people think mr. trump is entertaining. but i don't think it's

entertaining when somebody insults immigrants, insults women. that is just unacceptable behavior. and so when we're here together in solidarity to organize, we also want to accepted a message to mr. trump. that if you are going to run for president, then you should represent all the people of the united states. >> whoo! >> do not stand in the way to organize because that's what built the middleclass of america. >> i think donald trump and hillary clinton must have been calling from their respective airplanes. you see donald trump's numbers going up at the same time as hillary clinton's. numbers going up. that is a political circle of life. but what does hillary do when

she's actually on the podium tonight? is she's obviously doing well in some of the states we previewed. not quite as well in the early states. what do you expect tonight? >> i think she's a good debater. she is liking to be there full of facts and figures. and knowing everything about every issue. the question is what she does if sanders comes after, flip-flops or that kind of thing. and whether it becomes a snooze fest really or whether it gets hot. >> i can't imagine. >> the people might try to heat it up a little bit are those guys, the other three guys. you know, they need to get their names out there. they need to make people -- they all look at carly fiorina and think she did well with the debates. what's going on now. >> what are you hearing from jim webb's people? i guess they would be the two that would go after it the most aggressively to draw some headlines.

>> well, let's see if the moderators let that happen. cnn promoting this basically said it's clinton versus sanders. i think that all of them are going to take the opportunity to try to introduce themselves to the country not trying to score points off her. she is the best debater on the stage, the most experienced. i would be stunned if the other four weren't at least a little bit nervous tonight. none of them ever faced anything close to this in their careers. >> i don't think bernie sanders is nervous. bernie has been in front of -- >> i bet he is. >> -- 40,000 people. >> he's been out there in front of more crowds. >> and webb has not been out there very much. this is probably the first time we will hear from him. the average viewer is like, who are these guys? i think bernie sanders is in his

moment. he's feeling the ground swell behind him. he loves this. he's going to have a good time. >> the man with nothing to lose. the only person with anything to lose on the stage up there is hillary clinton. everybody else is a challenger. she's the heavyweight champ of the world with belt. everybody is after her. what does martin o'malley have to lose? >> his cabinet post. >> what does bernie sanders to lose? >> bernie has potentially something to lose. he comes armed with confidence and conviction. >> a message that goes back decades. >> yeah. but if you loses his temper, and he can be fairly thin skinned, he has something to lose. >> but, again, this is an election series. >> exactly. >> maybe if he loses his temper

it will be the best thing ever. >> that's exactly what i was thinking as he was telling the story. i remember with reagan they said if he ever does that again, we're all leaving again. that's the last time reagan exploded that wasn't on the campaign trail. in 2016, that actually works. jeb bush could stand losing his temper and exploding a little bit. >> he's on the news this morning. >> i do wonder, willie geist, whether donald trump isn't dead right. they asked about the democratic debate. he said about five minutes he would fall asleep or turn to the other channel. you're not going to get 22 million, 23 million, 24 million people. >> no. >> i would play defense if i were hillary. hillary will be playing defense all night.

>> this is entirely different. smaller obviously. five candidates. no donald trump. joe biden is not going to fly in with nic cage. i think it will be interesting between hillary and bernie. they have been dancing around each other. he has said there will be no personal attacks. he will fight hillary clinton on the issues. the first time they were seeing all five of them up there. feels like he has to get something out of it. >> well, keep in mind if mark halperin applied, he is a socialist introducing himself for the very first time. he has to be a bit nervous. he does have a lot to lose. he is in an unexpected place in this campaign. >> yeah. >> he is leading her in new hampshire. he is challenging at iowa.

not doing so well in in so fast other states. >> a guy that is going to be careful when you ask a guy who is being careful are you a capitalist and he responds, no, i'm a democratic socialist. that is not a guy going into four corners defense. that's a guy -- that's unlv run and gun 1975. he's going after it. >> well, you know, he's going after it. let's see. this is a different stage. different even from sitting down with chuck todd on "meet the press". this is the big leagues right here. this is not just -- this is the world series. and so he's -- you know, he's got to be thinking about that. i, like everybody else, i'm reduced to hoping that one of the nowhere men, chaffee or webb or o'malley, might just decide, what the hell, i have absolutely nothing to lose and start going

after both of them. >> should be interesting. >> donald trump did something kind of different. he's either coming on shows answering anything anybody will ask him or press conferences asking anything that anybody will ask him. or rallies. he went to a no labels conference in manchester, new hampshire. >> it is kind of interesting. it is a little bit different. he faced a sometimes hostile crowd. he talked about how his tone will change once more of his opponents drop out. listen to what he said. >> so maybe you can prove me wrong. but i don't think you're a friend to women. >> [ applause ]. >> i know i shouldn't have picked her. so let me give you that answer right now. i respect women incredibly. i had a woman who was in charge of the building of trump tower

many years ago before it -- before even would have even thought of it. i respect women. hillary clinton said he shouldn't cherish. i do. my mother was one of the great people of the world. maybe the greatest ever, my mother. i respect women. >> i want to get paid the same as a man. and i think you understand that. so if you become president, will a woman make the same as a man, and do i get to choose what i do with my body? >> you're going to make the same if you do as good a job. and i have and i happen to be pro life. i'm pro life. >> in the spirit of problem-solving, i'm wondering if you're at all concerned that some of the language you used on the campaign trail undermines your ability to solve problems. >> i understand. i understand.

here's the thing. i went to ivy league schools. i know what's divisive and not divisive in all fairness. i don't want to necessarily be politically correct all the way down the line. i see politicians, they're afraid to say anything because it's not politically correct. and they know the answers. and they refuse to give them because they're afraid it is not going to be politically correct. i am going to have to be who i am. at the same time, i'm running against a lot of people. when it becomes a different kind of situation, you will see i will be much less divisive. >> wow. >> i need your analysis. >> you're saying what is that? >> wait a minute. that's so interesting. >> what he is doing, what the point of that -- >> hold o. let me help you out. he's answering questions.

he answered questions. he gave his opinion on a very, very polarizing issue that usually makes a lot of politicians actually shake in their shoes and hem and hall and say nothing. he answered questions. i don't understand why you actually look cross eyed. >> just the answer that i was surprised by. >> you were surprised by his answers? >> no. he didn't answer the question. >> he said he was pro life. >> equal pay. >> equal pay for equal work. >> he didn't say i will do this. >> let me step in as the lone republican in the zip code right now. he gave the answer that as a republican i would want to hear. >> a political answer, i think. >> no. the answer is, yeah, you'll get paid the same if you do as good a job as whoever you're working with. and anybody that knows trump and knows how he works and sees his

office and see ises his operation knows that's how he works. he doesn't give a damn who you are, where you are, what you are, if you deliver. and most americans listening to that part, that's the part where i said, okay, i like that issue. she's standing like this or whatever. and he says, i'm pro life. what do you want me to do? >> he gave an answer. he gave an answer to please some people. but for an entry-level position he didn't give an answer. the woman often gets less pay. >> i'll make it so is not like an answer. >> all i'm doing is trump going

there, delivering that message. that is a message that a lot of small business people and a lot of people sitting in their chair at home if he's archie bunker billionaire. damn straight. i think the big thing, koki roberts, went to what should have been the last place in the world he should go to and he stood right in the middle of 1,000 people. he took their questions. maybe people don't like the answers. but in 2016, in this cycle, it shows some moxie. and that's what people want. >> well, he does not lack moxie. that is not the problem that donald trump has. here's what i heard. my mother was a woman. good. i'm happy for you. i went to ivy league schools, so i know how to add, subtract, divide, and multiply.

>> is that my problem? >> it is not something anybody wants real answers can latch on to. but it's working for him. he keeps going up in the polls. everybody keeps saying he's going to drop out, disappear, fade. not so far. and any time he gives that kind of answer, i cherish my mother, he does better apparently. >> mark, no labels. why did he go to no labels and what's your take on trump's performance? >> well, he went because he was asked by the host and decided it was worth going for that. probably not the most on message thing he could do. new quinnipiac poll, he has a new lead in connecticut, which i'm sure he will talk about when he talks to anybody. will he be a good candidate? those are questions for another day.

i think that performance will help him in the republican electorate. that's a short-term gain for him. he needs to keep winning. ahead in alabama, north carolina, all over the country. any republican would like the numbers he has. again, there's nothing off brand. that's trump. >> if any republican, again, was ahead by a country mile in alabama, ahead in new hampshire, in connecticut, and every state, again, they would already be placing the crown on his head. right now. >> so i fully appreciate the disdain in cokie's voice. i truly appreciate where you're coming from on that. i have to say we watched things

of how is that going to play in the audience, across the country, and at the polls. what exactly is he doing? i don't think he was thinking clearly about what he was doing. but what he was doing was winning. i'm telling you those answers weren't necessarily -- they might have been disdainful among the likes of intellectual elite because they didn't go into deep policy on equal pay or women. he was right there with his answers. hey, you don't like me, i don't really care. you don't like my opinion, this is what it is. i'm not going to be politically correct. then he gave a very clear answer on the issue of being pro life. to the intellectual elite, that is horrifying. >> that separates his candidacy. he gives his answers without fear. >> thank you. that's what i'm trying to say. >> you might not like the complete answer but he gives it without fear. >> it may not be a complete

sentence. what we're looking at right now is really something on the campaign trail that's going to change the dynamic of this race. there is a forward momentum that started in july. and donald trump's numbers started going up. and everybody said he wasn't going into the race. he wasn't going to do this. he wasn't going to do that. he's going to get out of the race. at this point in the middle of october. something to push back against his momentum. he has big momentum right now. he really does. people are saying he's plateaued are whistling past the graveyard. i see nothing in the labels event. which by the way, they are thrilled he's out there because they are talking about it. >> it's fascinating. good for him. >> it stops the forward momentum. and that is what all 87 republican candidates will have to start focusing on.

what stops the forward momentum for trump. >> there was no policy about equal pay. that's true. we can't suddenly be shocked those are the answers he's giving. >> there is a very interesting argument. i have had a conversation with him about equal pay for equal work. there is an interesting argument behind that. >> and the fact that we say, why did he go to no labels? because he doesn't care. >> it's true. >> he has no fear. you might not like the answers. >> he's ex-democrat, ex pro-choice. he's all over the map. of course he should be no labels. it's perfect for him. >> there you go. that explains it. his own brand. still ahead on "morning joe", senator bob corker joins us and rudy giuliani at the table. plus, did hillary clinton get three big issues right where

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the "washington post" reports long-time clinton adviser and high-power lawyer cheryl mills began as chief of staff while privately negotiating with a foreign government. during her first four months at the state department, mills also part part-time at new york university negotiating with officials in abu dhabi to build a campus in the persian gulf city. mills was unpaid at the state department during the period in which they designated a temporary export consultant, a status that allowed her to receive outside income. she was paid nearly $200,000 in 2009, the year in which her work overlapped $333,000 in vacation and receive answer payments in 2009. mills disclosed the arrangement in a new interview with the paper in which she rejected the suggestion of a conflict.

clinton aide aberdeen also worked simultaneously for the state department and the clinton foundation. which actually i found that more, i don't know -- it kind of raises questions about boundaries, i guess. >> between public roles and private employment, mark halperin, what's your take on it? >> three things. who aberdeen has gotten a lot more attention than cheryl mills. i think the spotlight will switch to cheryl mills. it does raise hillary clinton and her aides playing by different rules. there may not be anything terribly wrong. it may have been approved by the department on some level. i don't think anybody thinks it makes sense to simultaneously work for the government and private interests overseas. lastly, hillary clinton believes that people close to her get way more scrutiny than people close to some of the other candidates and would-be candidates. you will see the clinton research operation start to make that point if clinton's aides

and people close to her, like cheryl mills, continued to get dragged into politics. >> is this an unusual arrangement? >> it probably is. but as mark said, it probably did get approval. all of these play into the theme that there is something shady there. there is something that is outside the bounds. and that the clintons don't play by the same rules as everybody else. the details of any one of these stories gets lost in the fog of just -- of detail. but the overall impression has certainly contributed to the fact that most voters say they don't find hillary clinton honest and trustworthy. >> you have lived in and covered d.c. for a long time. do the clintons play by different rules than anybody else? >> there are lots of playing by different sets of rules.

that's something we learn constantly. we don't know. because we don't know about other state departments, if people had nice arrangements outside their regular government work. it is true that everybody looks much more closely at people around the clintons because they have reasons to look at them. >> all right. >> okay. still ahead, one of the biggest players of 2016 and he is not on the ballot. adelson is scheduled to make an early endorsement. which candidate may be cashing in in a big way in the political playbook. we'll be back with much more "morning joe". moves the world forward. invest with those who see the world as unstoppable. who have the curiosity to look beyond the expected and the conviction to be in it for the long term.

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money rather than inheriting it. according to the article the citizens united ruling opened a new flood gate. >> talk to us about it, your investigation. >> so this was surprising. the amount of concentration of campaign money in the post citizens area is astonishing. there is a huge population, huge amounts of wealth. and yet the huge amount of this money is coming from finance and energy. two industries. so it's not like it's tech here and manufacturing there and apparel. it is people who went out and started businesses, hedge funds, and are putting it back in. which is a stostonishinastonish. >> is one possible explanation is because there is big tax and regulatory in both of those in finance and energy. so they have a vested interest in political outcomes.

>> i think so. this person told me silicon valley you can make a billion dollars and an inspector is not going to show up on your land. it is pretty inference free. but making it in wall street, you are always thinking of government interference. >> is there any particular candidate, nick, they are focusing on? >> well, most of the money is going to bush. but in fact, the biggest contributions are for ted cruz. >> really? >> yeah. this is the guys who went off on their own and made their fortunes are the venture capitalists who are backing candidates changing the status quo. >> and the texas connection. >> obviously it's bush, florida, texas. >> you say most of the people are the people that made money didn't inherit it. >> self-made weight. it is not the dynasties that inherited wealth.

sit guys who went out and started businesses and got very lucky and successful. >> well, let's bring in michael lessen. talking about big donors and sheldon adelson made the headlines four years ago with his support for newt give ring, kept him in the race. what's happening this year with sheldon? he may be moving towards picking a candidate? >> joe, happy debate day and happy birthday to mr. barnacle. >> no way. >> barnacle? >> are you serious? what is your problem. fix that by the end of the show. >> we're working on it. >> get us a birthday cake. >> can you jump on it? >> 37 minutes in it is barnacle's birthday. what else do you have? >> last week marco rubio was in nevada, stopped by sheldon

adelson's suite at his casino and gave money to republicans back in 2012. nobody a bigger venture capitalist in politics. we are told in this meeting five men in a room. he heaped praise on rubio. the number one issue, you know how much mr. adelson cares about israel. we're told marco rubio's promise to renew policy in the middle east, real steps, not just words, is what came close to sealing the deal. it's not for sure. he is likely to make a statement by the end of the month. he will start putting in hard and soft money. the key from team rubio, it is not just his fortune. but they believe the statement by sheldon adelson will cause momentum to bring a lot of republicans who are on the sidelines or with walker to

rubio. >> all right. willie? >> obviously he couldn't save newt gingrich even though he plowed money into his campaign. are these single big donors signaling the outcome? >> most of the big donors have been with bush he have the $100 million man. there is a huge backing behind cruz. if you get adelson momentum behind marco, wait, he's suddenly at the table. that hurts the argument for bush. the argument for bush has been longevity, infrastructure, depth. suddenly marco will be able to say, wait a minute, me too. >> interesting. >> wow. >> that can make a big difference. michael lessen, thank you so much. coming up next, democrats taking the debate stage tonight. should we expect to see hillary clinton take a aim at the administration? that's sort of a high-risk

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fight. then when you start a quick training program and it doesn't work people say, well, why didn't it work. or if it just started three months earlier it would have worked. >> a lot of questions about the dynamics that are potentially developing between president obama and candidate hillary clinton. that was president obama on "60 minutes" addressing the ongoing unrest in syria. joining us from washington, associate editor for the "washington post" is david ignatius. i wonder if there is space developing between the president and candidate complain. when you see it on the keystone pipeline, tpp, you see the president on "60 minutes" saying the e-mail situation is a legitimate issue. and not giving her complete cover on that at all. then we move to foreign policy issues. what might we see developing here and what might actually work for her? >> we'll have to see as the

campaign goes forward whether hillary clinton thinks there is more to be gained by defining herself as president to serving as secretary of state. she is opening up distance. the most obvious example is trans pacific that she helped get started. starting with syria, she can make an argument if she wants to, she saw this right from the president did, add sraeuted policies that would have been more effective. she could a

focus on foreign policy. you remember back in 2012, one of obama's biggest applause lines with romney is saying the '80s called and they want their cold war back. is this a difficult position for hillary clinton to take in a democratic primary if she seems to be more hawkish when it comes to beautien in russia?

>> that is the interesting puzzle with secretary clinton. her best credential i would say, the place where she is most authentic, most speaking from her experience and her beliefs, is on foreign policy where she has a middle of the road, sometimes hawkish position. with democratic base voters in this period election those are not popular positions does on foreign policy what she did on the partnership, everybody knows are her views and laid out in her own memoirs, she will create a problem. there is a political pressure to move left at this period in the primaries. if she succumbs, she will only make trouble. >> david, it's willie. as you watch president obama on "60 minutes" the other night when he was asked about the syria strategy and withdrawing that policy of arming the rebels

that cost $5 million for five trained fighters. he said you know what, i didn't really like that policy from the beginning. and steve croft said, then why did you go forward with it. >> it was weird to me, willie, he spoke almost like a man vindicated when a policy of his own administration had collapsed in failure. he took the line almost like, see, i told you so. i think that's really one of the problems with the syria mess. the president is allergic to it. he just doesn't like dealing with it. what he didn't address in talking about the failure of this $500 million train program, it was too late by the time that it was authorized. the opportunities to create a strong, less extremist opposition group had large live

passed. and the second point, even more telling, the administration never would make up its mind, whether they could be anti assad. the president of syria must go. that was one of his early lines. this group was told, no, no, no. you're here to fight the extremists, isis. that's one of the reasons they had much trouble recruiting people. there is enough to go around to say this shows i was right. that was a surprise. >> mark? >> david, if you think about next year and the general election, what are the elements of president obama's form policy record that you think the presidential nominee, whoever it is, will have a chance to run in a positive way. >> this is a country sect of war. i think as mitt romney found in 2012, suggest issing you're going to go right back in, that you're going to get into a war

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i had a woman in charge of the building of trump tower many years ago before anybody would have even thought of it. i respect women. i love women. i cherish women. hillary clinton said he shouldn't cherish. i do cherish. my mother was one of the great people of the world, maybe the greatest ever. i respect women. >> i want to get paid the same as a man. and i think you understand that. so if you become president, will a woman make the same as a man and do i get to choose what i do with my body? [ applause ]. >> you're going to make the same if you do as good a job. and i happen to be pro life. okay. i'm pro life. >> wow. that was donald trump at the no labels event in new hampshire yesterday taking tough questions from a tough audience. the man behind the event,

co-owner of no labels. >> you said he was sort of in the lion's den there. >> no question. it was a very tough and sometimes hostile audience. he walked right in. completely undefensive, right into the buzz saw. and it was interesting to see the impact on the room. people were pretty suspicious about him. kind of appreciated the fact, a, that he was there. b, he answered questions without reservation. took a lot of questions he knew were going to be tough. let me clear up one thing. many people think no labels is bringing together people with the same views. it is just the opposite. our goal is to bring together. we have tea party members. we brought together bernie sanders and donald trump. >> so you have done quite a lot. you have been watching politicians walk into rooms. they either shine on the stage and they either take up space or

else they disappear and collapse. >> talk about donald trump and your reflections as a pro in this business. a lot of us that watch on tv and a lot of people scratch their heads on set. >> you kind of have to be in the room to see it happen. i have never seen anything like it in my political life. >> really? >> no. >> and you have done it how long? >> 30, 40 years. the one thing that he does -- all candidates they get into a room and people ask questions and they want to pander. they want to make the questioner happy. he doesn't. he doesn't care. that is so refreshing. and it is authentic. that's what people really hunger for in american politics. >> willie, you asked the question why did he do it and you answered just like mark said, because he doesn't care. >> yeah. other candidates would wring their hands, is this the right audience for me. >> he doesn't do that mental check off where i have to say

what they want to hear. >> have you changed the way you think, mark, in terms of donald trump being an electable nominee three months ago having watched this go on. >> sure. i think he has changed even's mind. nobody could predict this and the way he sustained support. one thing i think is quite clear is even if people don't library him, don't agree with me, they like that he is throwing up the big middle finger. >> the quinn yak poll, connecticut, my home state. connecticut yankees, donald trump at 34%. ben carson, 14%. carly fiorina, 11%. >> look at that. 60% plus. >> that's just what i was going to say. these new england republicans,

60% of them are for candidates that never held a day of office before. something pretty radical is happening in 2016. >> people are so angry at washington. it is just out there. i'm not sure how plenty the republicans are in connecticut anymore. the fact is everything that happens here is making people mad. whether it's the republicans unable to pick a speaker or president obama going on and say i made a mistake spending $500 million training five people. get it together, washington, baby, is basically what the voters are saying. they love having candidates who say everything happens in washington state. >> quickly from we move to the democrats, who else shined? you invited all the candidates? who didn't you get?

who did you get? >> well, we had chris christie, donald trump. he did great. he turbd it into a town hall. john kasich, pataki. >> how did casey do? >> good. he's a new hampshire kind of guy. practical, flinty approach. >> did bernie light the rim on fire? >> people really liked him, yeah. he did. he's a straightforward. and trump is like here i am. take it or leave it. >> wow. >> all right. the first democratic presidential debate is hours away in las vegas. hillary clinton will be front and center on stage. the next highest polling candidate vermont bernie sanders to her right. martin o'malley to her left. and lincoln chaffee and webb on the outside. strong polling out of nevada. she has a 16-point lead over sanders. 22-point lead when joe biden

isn't included. in a poll in south carolina she's running everyone better. 25 points over biden when he's included and 50-point lead over the rest of the field when the vice president is not included. >> let's look at those numbers out of those states. we have been looking at iowa, new hampshire, sanders keeping it close. nationally you can see hillary clinton pulling ahead of everybody nationally. is that because they haven't focused on the race. what makes iowa, new hampshire different. they have so much power nationwide it could be possible she does poorly and still rolls to the nomination. >> what's different about iowa and new hampshire number one, there are very few minorities. and african-americans and latinos are a huge portion of the democratic electorate.

that's what barack obama to election twice. that could well do the same for hillary clinton. you know, she has huge support. clinton support collapsing based on a couple of numbers from iowa and a couple from new hampshire that show weakening support. she's very strong. a very strong front-runner across the country. it's not that she -- not that she can't lose. not that she can't be beaten. but she goes in this debate as a strong front-runner who can-can look towards some big victories potentially in those subsequent primaries. >> okay. joining us from las vegas, casey hunt. what are we looking for tonight? >> reporter: good morning, guys. we know this is a make or break moment for hillary clinton. but it could also be for the democratic party. while clinton did spend years as president obama's secretary of

state, one of the overarching questions is whether this is still president barack obama's democratic party. >> like nearly everyone in the news media, the three of us are totally in the tank for senior obama. >> the last time hillary clinton was on the debate stage, then senator become approximately was such a media darling the press was mechaniced for it. >> we should ask if he needs another pillow. >> six and a half years later, he is leaving the stage and the democratic field is racing to the left. >> my trade policies will break that cycle of agreements which enrich a few at the expense of the many. >> with sanders surging, a defensive clinton started to match him and oppose the president on policy issue after policy issue. even questioning the obama administration's approach to deportations. >> i think we have to go back to being a much less harsh and aggressive enforcer. >> still, the democratic field

has mostly steered clear of directly attacking the president. his overall rating is 48%, 83% among democrats. >> do you think he could run again and did run again unck you would be elected? >> yes. >> you do? >> i do. >> if joe biden decides to run, the next debate would feature a loyal defender. >> now is the time to heed the timeless advice from teddy roosevelt, speak softly and carry a big stick. i promise you the president has a big stick. >> reporter: so i would say that i think that the fever pitch of speculation on joe biden has reached fever pitch. everyone is asking what is he going to do. i think there is an under current of a readiness really for this field to be set for democrats to be able to get into the process of running against

republicans. and i think there's a little bit of a sense that at this point if biden continues to do this he's undermining that, guys. >> all right. kasie hunt, thank you very much. greatly appreciated. as we go into the debate, right now the debate doesn't look like -- yeah. i don't think people are going to be thrilled to see this. 23 million. soert of the drama is, the conflict is, joe biden, is he going to get into this race and change it, change the dynamic or not? how are you feeling about whether or not joe biden gets in? >> do you think he's going to walk up to the fake podium they have for him? >> no. >> making sure you're not playing into that. >> that's the question over this debate, though. is this the field? are we going to have the vice president step in who is going to defend the president's policies. >> i think we are. the bigger issue, and i'll go back to mark's event. i think the debate tonight will be really under whelming.

we're going to have to do our homework and watch it. i don't think america will be clamoring to see this. >> mike will be watching the nets. >> i'm just saying there's not much there that's really going to excite or pull out a new voter. i think quite frankly it would have been -- if you want something interesting on the democratic side show up at an event and get kind of the questions from everybody, from all sides. show hillary clinton doing what i think she can do best, which is actually handle tough questions from everybody and real people and reporters. and all this sort of gauze screened preparedness. >> the best moment in 2008 was that new hampshire town hall. >> exactly. >> she would have been a maidsing last night. donald trump on one hand. then she comes out and answers questions. she would have been fantastic. >> that's why i would be willing

to put some money on the best moment for hillary clinton this month will be october 22nd. her appearance in front of the benghazi committee. >> i have made warning about this benghazi things, the worse thing republicans can do is go overboard. we always, always go overboard. we can always be counted on to take it a step too far in these sort of hearings. >> at least you haven't gone on tv and admitted it was political. >> can you give us all a reason -- not us. we'll be watching the debate obviously because we love it and it's exciting. but give americans a reason to be watching the debate tonight

instead of baseball games or whatever marie show is on this year. >> i can't argue with picture and picture in the big box. bernie sanders has a chance tonight to reach a bigger audience. if you're just a speck traeurt, hillary clinton under pressure is fun to watch. >> we have heard that if joe biden were to ever get in the race it would be after the first debate. have you had any reporting that the biden camp is going to be watching closely how hillary does tonight before making their final decision?

because time is running out. >> they are. i think there's two things overrated. he knows whatever happens to numbers, he has to beat her on his own terms. these deadlines at this point there's almost as good a chance that he gets in in january or february as it is before these deadlines. it is true if he misses the deadlines, the map is a lot more complicated. if she loses both to sanders and no one else is in the race, still think there is a moment for him to get in the race. that is almost as big as getting in in the next few days. everything i'm hearing, he is not ready to under take a tough,

grueling, presidential campaign while being vice president, while being a father, grandfather, and husband. >> the advantage is that it is small. they can dig deep. ask her about the tpp switch. ask her about key is stone i think you will get more substantive answers if you can spend 10 minutes going back and forth. >> well, i think the other thing, too, you know the candidates have learned a lesson from both walker and tim pawlenty. they go in unprepared but also with the notion i'm going to stay on the hard road. these other three guys, they know this is their shot. >> yeah. >> so something is going to happen. >> so the argument will be, gene, how long did you believe in what you believe in.

well, i didn't know what i know now. i was really studying it. now i believe this is the wrong thing to do. he will come back a few times and say the same things they have heard her say. is there anything else to come can out of tonight's debate? >> she's going to be incredibly prepared. >> right. she's going to be prepared. >> she should be great. >> what could be more exciting than 20 minutes on the tpp? what is going to electrify america more than that? look, i'm hoping for an exciting debate. i hope we get sparks and substance. we can see how bernie sanders can heavy on stage. so i'm going to keep hope alive. >> all right.

>> but i'm also going to be a realist and kind of wish maybe the three that i called the nowhere men decide just to go nuts. >> come in wearing leather and chains. >> chaps. >> or a shirt like mark. >> i'm interested in knowing two things tonight. the coverage i think will be fairly predictable. the perception of the candidates is not going to be predictable. i'm wondering what percentage of people who do view this debate who come away looking at hillary clinton and say, wow, there is a prepared, thorough, knowledgeable candidate. all the benghazi stuff goes out the window. people will see her as knowledgeable. >> cokie, she is ringing in the polls. >> there is one part, cokie, if you look at donald trump's

favorables and unfavorables, they are terrible. hillary's, they're terrible. everybody is saying this is a tough night for hillary. i disagree. this is her chance to show independent voters she may be the smartest person on the stage and in politics right now. >> any time you're with her in a setting with actual people she wows them. the truth is girls do homework. she knows everything about every issue. whether that is something people respond to or whether they find it boring is very interesting. we have all this criticism all the time about you people in the press only care about the horse race. you don't care about substance. let's see what happens. let's see how many people watch it and how long they keep

watching it. this could be a bigger test for the voters than anything else. >> i totally agree with that. halperin, jump in. >> "morning joe" voters know who bernie sanders is and what he's about. voters have gun to believe he could beat her, be the nominee. he's on stage with her tonight. we see this in general election debates on the stage with the challenger and stands toe to toe. if he stands toe to toe and people can see him as a plausible nominee, that helps quite a bit. a lot of his issues are to the liking of democrats. they just don't see him yet in a lot of cases somebody who could be their nominee. that could change if he's strong. >> thank you very, very much.

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23 past the hour. former mayor of new york city and former republican presidential candidate rudy giuliani. >> we will talk at the very beginning about something important. the mets. and the new york post opinion page. an argument put forward by

america's mayor, rudy giuliani. >> good to see you. you wrote not only they were wrong in game two with this side by chase utley but they should go back and replay game two. >> from the point of that mistake. so the rule was clear. i don't think anyone that night bothered to get out the rule book. if you deliberately interfere with a double play, both batters are out. both should have been called out. you go back and pick up the game exactly from that point and then you get a legitimate win or loss. remember when he had too much pine tar. they took the home run away from him. >> yeah. >> they awarded the home run to brett. they went back and played the game the next time the royals

were there. at that point the royals won. we have a fair result. maybe i will make fans of mets fans. >> you were ahead at this point in 2007. >> sounds about right. so what bit of advice would you give donald trump right now? >> i heard your show earlier. one thing that hurt me a lot in '07, going into '08, people focused a lot on what i did as mayor, september w went went we. my social views tend to be moderate. some think they are liberal. my opponent started focusing on that i was pro-choice. donald announced he is pro life

which is easier in the primary. i'm pro gay rights. at the time gay marriage wasn't a big issue. i'm now pro gay marriage. i signed the first partnership bill ever signed by anyone. >> donald hasn't followed you. >> three strikes and you're out. going back to baseball. those issues finally got to the voteers. that negated whatever you want to call it. i would like to think of it as my record of mayor and what i did, my celebrity status. >> give us your take on donald trump. not donald trump the politician now but the donald trump that you worked with as a developer in new york city, the donald trump that gave money to hillary clinton. i guess he gave money to rudy

giuliani. >> one of my biggest supporters. >> and the donald trump that constantly had to fight a thousand different people to build the buildings what he wanted to build in new york city. >> i was laughed at when i said he could get the nomination. >> why do you say that? >> he is an extraordinarily smart guy. he learns on the fly. he picks things up very, very quickly. we have always known him as a show mapp. we have never seen his intellect. it is a big intellect, strong intellect. >> let me stop you there. you see say there are a lot of elites that roll their eyes. in manhattan real estate, having

to fight all the crazy nonsense you have to fight with zoning, restrictions, counsel, mayors of all stripes. they think he is worth 4 billion instead of 10. talk about that intellect. what does he get? >> that's why i think they understatement him. i compared him and i got really criticized, to ronald reagan. he always had one great advantage. he was always underestimated. he was always the dumb actor. brown made that mistake when he ran for governor. carter wanted to run against reagan instead of bush. he was a very, smart actor. if you.

>> keitholo ebermann said he ne knew until he started reading the letters. >> he has been underestimated from the beginning. here he is. but it's going to get real close. there are a couple of other really good candidates on the republican side. >> like? >> rubio is superbly talented. bush has everything except the charisma thing isn't working. and i think donald has taken the most from him. it is probably bush who will come out. kasich is a new hampshire candidate. they are all kind of dividing it. >> what would your advice be in general looking at this election. what does the party need to do to regain the presidency?

>> i think the party will have to put the focus on the economy and national security. keep the focus off social issues. where it gets to social issues, the party might disagree with me. but i think that's our soft under belly. and i look at it differently. that's where we lose the suburbs. forever and whenever we owned nassau county in new york. a began got his biggest, bigger than orange county, california. the republican is half republican and half democrat. right now sit republican about a point or two. eight years before it was democrat. hasn't voted for a republican presidential candidate since bush. first bush. montgomery county, pennsylvania. they are 50/50. >> mr. mayor, could you talk

more about jeb bush. you mentioned charisma. what else is so surprising to resistance to his candidacy. >> it is probably what you are all talking about. there is a movement against all the establishment figures. the washington figures. bush isn't a washington figure. he was a governor in a way. he's suffering because of his brother. you put the name bush up and it says washington. that is hurting him. the three leading republican candidates are nonpoliticians. never held a political job. even more than the electorate in general i think is very, very anti-washington. >> mayor, while we have you here, i know you're partial to the giuliani years and no fan of mayor de blasio. but the commissioner came out and said the city has never been safer.

you can walk through times square and couldn't beg to get your pocket picked. >> in my case, he had the mayor's support 100%. here he has a police department. just talk to go cops they will tell you they don't believe the man has their back. >> why don't they believe that? >> he comes out and criticizes them immediately. when we had the incident last year, he never told the american public. you know, we ended up with a man coming and here to do an assassination. i think they will be surprised when i say it. the new york city police department is not a majority white police department. it is less than 50% white. one that was killed, one was chinese, one hispanic.

there's incidence of racial problems and complaints has gone down proportionate to the amount of crimes that gone down, a little bit more. so it doesn't defendthere is an. >> i know when he campaigned he rang some bells and upset police officers. ferguson was tough. it seems to me we played a lot of press conferences where he was trying to reach out. >> good point. it is hard to forget him saying be worried about the police. when in fact, there is about 50-1 chance that his son is going to get hurt and shot by another black youngster. the statistics, the reality of the streets is the chance that his son will get hurt will come from a citizen compared to the police.

>> we're kind of going off into detailed strings here. but that's the talk that a lot of parents have with african-american sons about how they respond to the police versus white sons. that's a legitimate conversation. why can't mayor de blasio say that. >> maybe he should have said you should worry about the kid who might knife you, shoot you, for which there is a 30-1 chance that could happen to him. why shouldn't he have the following conversation with -- >> because the chances of getting stopped and frisked -- >> let me stop. most he should say respect the police. don't get frustrated and say good to hell. >> teach your children respect

of the police rather than fear of the police that they are at the going to take advantage of you. by the way, that is not the truth in new york. so what he doing is creating a reality about new york -- >> but when -- so we'll wrap this conversation up. i want to make sure we're clear about one thing. he has said some things in the past that have upset police officers. i'm with you. i agree they have reason to be upset about certain things. since we had the unrest and the police being assassinated, you agree with me that he has been reaching out more to police officers and he has been been more sensitive towards police officers. >> i don't think that -- >> -- over the past year. >> i don't think that feeling. it's also the way he ran his campaign. >> but, again, we're talking about the past versus the present. hold on a second.

i'm curious whether you think he has made an effort the past year. and if you think he has made a positive effort, what does he need to do moving forward to build -- by the way, i say this as a guy. i love new york. i love walking in new york at 11:00 at night or walk to go work at 5:00 in the morning and feeling safe. i tweeted out, mr. mayor, i love new york. and if you don't, that's your problem. i love this city. >> me too. >> so, please, help all of us that love new york talk to the mayor right now. what does he need to do to further the bridge that divides the police officers. >> the fortunate thing is the test is going to be, god forbid, when another dramatic situation happens, how does he act? because the police are reacting to these dramatic situations where he says day to day nobody pays much attention. i don't mean that as an insult. but when you get hit with a

tough situation, how does he act? is he there supporting the police or is there immediate rush to judgment. >> but he does have a right, though, say after eric garner, shocked us. outraged us. he is to say there is a presumption here but i'm going to investigate. >> i don't remember that. i remember condemnation. >> no. we are w talking about moving forward. >> that's a perfect legitimate answer. it is what the president of duke should have done in the lacrosse case. when one of these incidents happened we found out too often that our first instinct is wrong. >> we have to go. they are yelling at me. final question. they're yelling at me.

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reuters has been all over it. and it seems -- i won't say death by 1,000 cuts. but it is maddening for clinton supporters that there is something every day. >> it is hard to cauterize it. imagine if your e-mails were sort of leaked slowly. >> no thank you. >> mark, are we going to hear about this tonight in the debate? just the e-mail controversy in general? or do they just say stay away? >> you know, whether the system was breached or not, this story makes clear you combine the fact that there was sensitive material in her server. some put together a system that was clearly vulnerable to hacking.

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the clintons and the cheneys, mccains. in each of the categories you have a lot of usual people stri. >> the godfathers. >> the godfathers are interesting, right. these are the people shaping political policy. >> and the godfathers, the buffetts, gates, bloomberg. >> one of the most interesting families are the kagans. they're an academic family, the father is a professor at yale, they've written interesting books behind the so-called surge in iraq. this isn't just about money, there's different ways -- >> we also have the spotlight

sta stal stallwarts. there's a lot to see about the trumps on that list. >> defining it as a family, i think that he's shaping the political landscape for better or worse. that's up to you to debate. he's got the sister, he's got the marriage of his daughter to another fairly prominent family that gives a decent amount to politics. >> and anybody who has met ivanka, she's going to be a force for a long time. >> she should run. >> she should run. >> i love split tickets. >> the rickets family, the udahl

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are politicians to be a part of. i think it shows this kind of mult multi-facetted thing. this is a kind of a new area of philanthropy. these people think as the political thing as a fill a-- philanthropic thing. >> joe ricketts gives all the credit for the philanthropy to his wife, she does everything. talk about a split ticket, he has a daughter who is a gay rights advocate, a son who is governor of nebraska. >> november issue of "town & country," jay, thank you very much. >> thank you!

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us, msnbc political analyst eugene robinson is with us. >> how could it get any better? >> it does. look, cokie roberts! and in vegas where all the drama is going on tonight. wherever there's drama and lots of shady things going on, you find mark halperin. >> i don't even know what that means. >> how are you doing today? >> good. i have a lot to get to. >> baseball last night. >> somebody tweeted. preemptively. premature tweet. >> texas governor abbott tweeted congratulating the houston astros advancing. here it is. congratulations to the astros on advancing to the alcs. then the royals proceeded to score five runs and win the

game. >> unbelievable comeback by the royals. when something like that happens, you start thinking team of destiny. what about the new york mets last night, huh? >> they took care of business. took care of the whole chase utley deal by winning the game. that's the way to do it, boom. >> and an extraordinary series for the midwest. central time zone so we don't ever talk about it but i hear the cubs and cardinals, they don't like each other. >> they've been playing each other for about 110 years, they despise one another, which is wonderful. the cubs just laid it on. six home runs last night, each one longer than the prior one. >> this is an incredible series. >> the cubs and cardinals in october? what could be better. >> just to see playoff baseball at wrigley field. the cubs can advance to the alcs, you could have mets-cubs, though the dodgers have two of

the best pitchers in all of baseball in these last two games. >> the mets are a pretty good matchup. >> mika, shocking news at the top of our notes, but apparently "playboy," they are not going to show nude pictures anymore in "playboy." >> that's news? >> it is. where are people going to go to see nude pictures anymore? >> the internet. >> they do that there? >> yeah. >> on the world wide web? >> apparently we're desensitized where "playboy" can't even sell magazines for nude pictures. >> now you have to read it for the articles. >> sad news, the old ball coach died overnight. >> he's going to golf a lot.

>> okay, can we -- we have a lot to get to here. >> as a guest. they love him there. >> the first democratic presidential debate is just hours away in vegas. can you feel the drama? >> i feel it. >> the position of the five candidates on the stage is based on the collection of national polls taken since august 1st. hillary clinton will be front and center. the next highest polling candidate, vermont senator, bernie sanders to her left, martin o'malley to her right. she has a 16-point lead over sanders and a 22-point lead when joe biden isn't included as an option. in a new poll out of south carolina, she's running even better, a 25-point lead over biden when he's included in the

race, a 50-point lead when joe biden is not in the field. and clinton made her presence yesterday, making a surprise appearance at a union rally taking place right outside the trump international hotel. she joined about 500 members of the culinary union who organized the protest to get trump to unionize. >> some people think trump is entertaining. i don't think it's entertaining when trump insults women, insults immigrants. when we're here to organize, we want to send a message to mr. trump that if you are going to run for president, then you should represent all the people of the united states!

[ cheers and applause ] and you should not stand in the way of the right to organize because that's what built the middle class! >> what do you think? >> i think druconald trump and hillary clinton must have been calling from their respective airplanes while they're flying. the two could not have helped each other anymore. you see donald trump's numbers going up the same time that hillary clinton's numbers are going up. that is sort of the circle of life. what does hillary do when she's on the podium tonight? she's obviously doing well in some of the states we previewed. not quite as well in the early states but what do you expect tonight? >> i think that she's a good debater and she's likely to be there full of facts and figures and knowing everything about every issue. the question is what she does if sanders comes after her for flip flops and that kind of thing and whether it just becomes a snooze

fest or whether it gets hot. >> i doubt it. >> the people who might try to heat it up a little bit are those guys -- the other three guys. they need to get their names out there. they all look at carly fiorina and think, well, she did well with the debates, it's my turn now. we'll see if that happens. >> what are you hearing from martin o'malley's people, jim webb's people, i would think they're the two that would go after it the most aggressively to draw headlines. >> reporter: we seal if the the that happen. i think all of them will take the opportunity to introduce themselves to the country, not to spend the evening trying to score points off of her. she's the best debater on the stage, the most experienced. i would be stunned if the other four weren't at least a little

bit nervous tonight because none of them have ever faced anything even close to this in their careers. >> i don't think bernie sanders is nervous. >> i bet he is. >> bernie's been in front of 40,000 people. i mean, i -- >> he's been out there in front of millions of crowds. lincoln chafee and martin o'malley, people will be like who are these guys. i think bernie sanders is in his moment, he's feeling the ground swell behind him. >> donald trump did something different. coming on shows answering anything anyone will ask him or doing his rallies. he went to a no-label gathering

and faced a hostile crowd. listen to what he said. >> maybe i'm wrong, maybe you can prove me wrong but i don't think that you're a friend to women. [ cheers and applause ] >> i knew i shouldn't have picked her. i knew i shouldn't have picked her. all right, so let me give you that answer right now. i respect women incredibly. i had a woman who was in charge of the building of trump tower, many years ago before it was even thought -- before anybody would have even thought of it. i respect women, i love women, i cherish women. hillary clinton said he shouldn't cherish. i said i do cherish. my mother was one of the great people of the world, maybe the greatest ever, my mother. i respect women. >> i want to get paid the same as a man, and i think you understand that. so if you become president, will the woman make the same as a man and do i get to choose what i do

with my body? [ cheers and applause ] >> you're going to make the same if you do as good a job, and i happen to be pro-life. okay? i'm pro-life. >> in the spirit of problem solving, i'm wondering if you're at all concerned that some of the divisive language you use on the campaign trail undermines what you say -- >> i have to -- here's the thing. i went to ivy leave schools, i know what's divisive and what's not divisive. i don't want to be politically correctne necessarily down the line. i know politicians that refused

to give answers because they know it's not politically correct. at the same time, i'm running against a lot of people. when it comes to a different kind of situation, you'll see i'm going to be much less divisi divisive. >> wow. you're saying what is that? >> that's interesting. >> i don't know what he's doing, what the point of that -- >> let me help you out. he's answering questions. he gave his opinion on a very, very polarizing issue that usually makes a lot of politicians actually shake in their shoes and membhem and haw say nothing. i don't agree with him on a couple of issues but he answered question. i don't understand why you actually look cross-eyed. >> no, it's just the answers i was surprised by. >> you were surprised by the answers?

>> he said he was pro-life. >> he didn't answer equal pay. >> equal pay if you do equal work. >> he didn't say -- >> he gave the answer as a republican i would want to hear. >> i political answer i think. >> no, no. the answer is, yeah, you'll get paid the same if you do as good a job as whoever you're working with. and anybody that knows trump and knows how he works and sees his office and sees his operation knows that's how he works. he doesn't give a damn -- and chances are good, he's a democrat, whatever he is, he doesn't give a damn who you are, what you are if you deliver. and most americans listening to that part. it's very interesting you say what did he say? that's the part where i say i like that answer and she's standing like this and he goes i'm pro-life. what do you want me to do?

>> i get that. but on equal pay for women, he gave an answer that was going to please some people. but for an entry level position, he didn't give an answer. a guy goes for a job, a woman goes for a job, the woman often gets offered less pay than the guy gets offer. >> the point is women are often not paid the same. to say i'll make it so is not an answer. >> i totally know that. >> all i'm saying is trump going there, delivering that message, that is a message that a lot of small business people and a lot of people sitting in their chair at home, when he says something like that, they go damn straight. i think the bigger thing is, cokie roberts, is that donald trump went to what should have been the last place in the world he should go to, which is a no-labels event and stood right in the middle of a thousand people, he took their questions and maybe people don't like the

answers but in 2016 in this cycle it shows some moxie and that's what people want. >> well, he does not lack moxie. that is not the problem that donald trump has. here's what i heard in those answers. my mother was a woman. good, i'm happy for you. and i went to ivy league schools and therefore i know how to add, subtract, divide and multiply. >> is that my problem? >> it's really not something that anybody who wants real answers can latch on to. but, look, it's working for him. he keeps going up in the poll, everybody keeps saying he's going to drop out, he's going to disappear, he's going to fade. not so far. and any time he gives that kind of answer, you know, i cherish my mother, then he does better apparently. >> mark halpern, no labels. why did he go to no labels?

and what's your take on trump's performance? >> well, he went because he was asked by the host and decided it was worth going for that. probably not the most on message thing he could do. new quinnipiac this morning, he's got a huge lead in connecticut, which i'm sure he'll be talking about the next time he talks to anybody. would he be a good president, a good general election candidate? those are important questions but they're questions for another day. in the short term does his performance make it more or less likely he's going to keep or grow his support within a republican electorate? i think that performance will help him within a republican electorate and that's the short term game for him. he needs to keep winning. ahead in connecticut, ahead in north carolina, ahead all over the country, any republican would like the numbers he has. there was nothing off brand for that performance for him. that's trump. >> still ahead, new questions for hillary clinton and a top

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"the washington post" reports that long time clinton adviser and high-powered lawyer cheryl mills began her tenure as the secretary of state's chief of staff while privately negotiating with a foreign government. mills was unpaid at the state department during the period in which she officially designated a temporary expert consultant, a stat us that allowed her to receive outside income. mills was paid nearly $200,000 in 2009, the year in which her york overland and an additional $330,000 in vacation and severance payments in may 2009. mills disclosed the arrangement in a new interview with the paper in which she rejected the

suggestion of a conflict. a clinton said also received a special status to do work for the state department. it raises questions about boundaries, i guess. >> between public rolls and private employment, what's your take on it, mark halperin? >> as some of these clinton stories go forward, i think the spotlight will switch a little to cheryl mills. it does raise a theme of hillary clinton and her aides playing by different rules. there may not be anything terribly wrong with it, it may have been approved but i don't think anybody thinks it's okay to work for the government and for industries overseas. and people think hillary gets

way more scrutiny than the other candidates. i think you're going to see that point in clinton aides and others get dragged into the argument. >> cokie, is this an unusual arrangement? >> probably but it probably did get approval. all of these stories just play into the theme that there's something shady there, there's something that's outside the bounds and the clintons don't play by the same rules as everybody else. the details of any one of these stories, you know, it gets lost in the fog of detail. but the overall impression has certainly contributed to the fact that most voters say that they don't find hillary clinton and trustworthy. that's what it plays to. >> cokie, you've lived in and covered d.c. for a very long time. do you think clinton's played by different rules than anybody

else? >> there are lots of people playing by lots of different sets of rules. that's something we learn constantly. it's hard to know because we don't know what happened in other state departments, if there were people that had nice arrangements that were outside of their regular government work. you know, it is true that everybody looks much more closely at people around the clintons because they have reasons to look at them. >> all right. >> coming up on "morning joe" senator bob corker is standing by. we'll get his approach to dealing with russia's incursion inside syria. plus -- >> i'm not trying to be the bad guy here, mark. >> can't help but feel like that's like that's a tactic. i can't help but feel everyone has a tactic. >> why do you think that when you know everything i've told you is the truth. >> an inside look at some of the

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are invested and interested in seeing some sort of resolution to this problem. >> and they wanted you to do it? >> no, that's not what i said. i think it important for us to make sure we explore all the various options that are available. >> that was president obama on "60 minutes" this sunday discussing the ongoing u.s. strategy in syria. joining us now, chairman of the former relations committee, mike barnicle with us at the table develop. >> good to be with us. >> we have putin's presence growing in iraq. what do you make of the u.s. response or lack thereof. >> i think it's evident that we haven't had a strategy when it was less expense ive to make a

difference there. now with putin stepping in, with iran assisting with a new resurgent and stronger iran helping in syria, it really leaves very few options. it does. i know there's a lot of discussion -- >> i hear a lot of people saying it leaves very few options but doing nothing is no longer an option. you look at the refugee crisis, our allies in the region, the regimes that may be toppled. even the biggest hawks, lindsey graham will come on and say we don't have good options so what do we do? >> i think there's beginning to be -- there's been a memo on the president's desk for so long to deal with the border between turkey and syria, to create a no-fly zone in essence for humanitarian purposes so people have a place to go within their own country. i believe that's beginning now to get some increased capital.

>> why hasn't he done it in the past? >> you know, i do not understand. i do not understand this president. there have been long discusses wither with turkey that would have sealed the borders. it would have created a place where the free syrian moderates, of course many of them diminished now, could have located. >> what's the administration's argument against doing this? what has it been? >> at every point we have these conversations, whether it's ukraine, they do not want to do things that are going to cause russia to be -- to provoke russia. they don't want to do things that might end up creating some -- us feeling like we own syria. i mean, there are so many things that, again, along the way were small steps. you remember general idris.

i remember having a meeting with him in turkey. we committed to let him lead the moderate opposition, to supply him with arms. we couldn't even get him trucks. i have stopped going to the ref j -- refugee camps because i would go in and talk to people what we were going to do for their uncles and brothers and sons -- >> never did it. >> never do it. you end up loses all credibility in the region. i agree, doing nothing is not an option. i think you'll see greater emphasis from the humanitarian side for a no-fly zone. >> when you say you don't understand it, do you mean in terms of having discussions with him about syria? >> what i don't understand, you've seen clips over the last 48 hours, just responses in the region. but the president, it's sort of the big hat, no cattle syndrome. he likes to get out and make

these strong proclamations but they he won't act on them. i remember having a discussion with him two augusts ago. we had intelligence inside ukraine which would have been so helpful to them just to know what russia was doing in eastern ukraine and we wouldn't share it with them. we had, again, just giving them the intelligence and again he views that as us becoming operational into the conflict and yet strong statements being made nonstop. we'd be so much better off. after this last situation with putin coming in and totally changing the dynamic, what i've called for is, please, don't make any more strong statements, don't undermine our credibility anymore. again, i think internally there's beginning to be pressure to do things that should have been done a year ago that would

have changed the dynamic. i don't know. >> there's a massive amount of weaponry and increasing weapons provided to syrian groups what's your level of concern about something happening? >> the toe missiles have been very effective against russian tanks. we had conversation years ago about trying to create some way of, you know, being able to give to the moderate rebels the ability to take out aircraft, but then you worry about it getting into the situation where they take down a civilian aircraft coming into jordan or some other place. so a lot of concern about that. and, you know, we don't really -- we've done some things, much of which i probably shouldn't talk about, we've done some things to try to limit that but, no, it's -- i mean, right now it's going to get more and more oriented that way.

there's going to be more and more chaos in the region, more and more refugees destabilizing europe. if you really look at what putin has done and what assad has done, they have created a scenario where very much they're going to be part of the equation as it relates to finding an end game here, something that, again, mike, we get back to where we were in august and september of 2013, we in many ways saved assad when he crossed the red line and we didn't do the ten-hour operation, which again no boots on the ground, we didn't conduct that ten-hour operation. when we didn't do that, we in essence created a scenario with russia where assad had to be there to rid itself of the declared chemical weapons. we know they have others still, they're using chlorine against their citizens today. but we in many ways have made him a central part of this. what's happened recently

obviously is going to build upon that in a major way. >> how do you see this issue and other foreign policy issues being played out during the presidential campaign? will they be on the radar screen? should they be? how do you see it evolving over the next year? >> you know more about this than i do based on the kind of living you've done in such a great way. everybody will tell you that economic issues end up driving campaigns, not foreign policy issues. i think in this case foreign policy is going to play a much bigger role than ever, and i think, again, when you see 12 million people in syria displaced, you see people flooding into europe, i think that our place in the world -- the country -- let's face it. in the '08 election, the country as a whole did not want to be involved in foreign excursions. it's moving back as they understand the threats in these places, isis and others

generating the kind of ability to affect us at home, russia obviously is involved for the very same reason, but i think it's going to play a good role and on the foreign relations committee, what i hope we are as far as the north star of what good policy is at present, i have to say in a bipartisan way, people very, very discouraged with the administration for not following through on the things that were said to be done. >> senator bob corker, thank you very much. >> still ahead, a blockbuster deal is set to make the world's biggest beer maker even bigger. details are next. we'll be right back. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future.

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investigation discovery. you've got quite a career and experience in this field. what do you make of how this show kind of lays out the confessions and how they're elicited. true to life or how could you characterize it? >> to me that's what makes it different, it's true to life. you see that people come in with evidence and hit them with it and right away you get the confession. that's not how to works at all. it's a drawn-out process and you're just want to keep the person talking. at the end of the day, we're supposed to get to the truth. and i want to hear every bit because sometimes the strongest evidence is not the straight forward confession, it's the lies and dance in between and that you're actually seeing on

this show. that makes it different. >> sometimes what they don't say, something they leave out of a story that actually is a big event -- you hear this also from cia interrogators, what makes a great interrogator? to get somebody to do what we were just seeing there? >> it's that knowing that one size does not fit all. it is being flexible and going where every case is unique, every person is different and it's rare that you go in and say tell me what happened and they lay it out honestly. it's knowing you're going to have a game plan and you're prepared but that once you're in the room, you see where the interview takes you. i think that makes a difference. it's an art. >> in asking for a friend, how do you beat the interrogator? >> can i answer that? ask for a diet coke and call a

lawyer. >> i have a tricky question. in seeing the high profile cases where there's coerced confessions, if you're the interrogator, how do you establish a line where you don't want to push them too hard because you might get something that's dishonest? >> it's a fair and important question. at the end of the day we're supposed to get to the truth. i always say don't be ambiguous, make sure questions are answered honestly and openly. if someone is in the room talking, a suspect, it's because they want to talk to you. it's maybe because they want to confess or alleviate guilt or maybe they really aren't guilty. it's keeping somebody comfortable knowing that they're voluntarily speaking to you. >> do you go into it knowing they did it or keeping an open mind because you might be wrong? >> it's never going in knowing that they did it because then how are you actually making sure you get to the truth?

it's keeping the person talking as long as you can and stepping back no matter what they said, seeing if the pieces fit and evaluating it that way. i think one of the biggest missteps an investigator or prosecutor can make is to have this tunnel vision and keeping an open mind. hopefully once you get to that person, you know the pieces fit. >> here's another look at a scene from "killer confessions." >> an innocent man does not come in here and tell lies. that's genuine, mark. everything i'm telling you in here is genuine. so get out of your film producer mode and the facade of thinking that everyone's an actor because this is real life. >> so talk about the fascination with these scenes that we have. poor nicole over here just admitting that she watches "bones" all the time. >> i love "bones."

>> what's the fascination with "csi, " "bones," all this stuff? >> it's exciting, it's a mystery. people want to put together clues and figure it out but unfortunately it's also real. people want to understand if they can. some of this stuff is so horrific, it's like the car accident. why do people slow down when you see a car accident? and it's also understanding what makes people tick. and there is something to transparency. here you have the opportunity to be the fly on the wall. it's not hearing what a detective tells you in a room, it's not reading it on paper, do you believe the process, do you believe what was told to you later and when you see it, i think it really goes a long way. "killer confessions" tonight on "discovery confessions."

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welcome back to "morning joe ". time to talk about what we learned today. mika, you got a cupcake. >> i do. it's for barnicle. happy birthday. >> oh, thanks. >> i got you this cupcake. isn't that nice? can't even light the candle for you. >> what you like to give him the cupcake or just hold it in front of the camera? >> here you go. why don't you take a bite. >> i thought you were going to -- >> i was going to do it. >> what did you learn today?

>> beyond the fact that it's barnicle's birthday, the woman that asked that question of donald trump is a volunteer on jeb bush's campaign. >> i learned in new hampshire that voters are really fired up about problem solving, the no labels message. a young kid was there was talking about how he he couldn't go to college and had to become a real estate agent. there are some real problems floating up in new hampshire. >> mike? >> new hampshire voters are extremely sophisticated and knowledgeable. donald trump, no matter what you think about him, he's the one candidate that has no fear and will answer any question. >> mark mckinnon said he never saw anything yesterday in new hampshire like what he saw yesterday when donald trump took

the stage. >> and stop reading the obits, mike. >> happy birthday. >> kick it hard and wind it tight. >> thank you. >> i'm jose diaz-balart. this is msnbc. the democrats running for president are in vegas for their first debate of the 2016 season. hillary clinton, bernie sanders, martin o'malley, lincoln chafee and jim webb and there's even one on stand by just in case. hillary clinton gets the middle podium. while the fireworks might not be as big as what we've seen from the two republican debates so far, we can guarantee las vegas has never seen a show quite like this. we've got it all covered for you this morning. let's start with nbc news national correspondentet