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but not this year, al. what a game last night. >> danielle did fabulous. >> and to have a national league championship series it's going to be the mets and the cubs. is that not good stuff. >> all right. with us we have columnist and associate editor of the washington post g.g. robin son. nbc news correspondent chris jenson. >> by the way, that's what we do after every show. we get the champagne out and jump up and down. wow. it's crazy. we have a lot to talk through and david, we're glad you're here. so much to talk through about aft

afghanistan, syria. >> the pace keeps quickening by the day. this is just an objective view on my part but the in box for the next president is going to be far more complicated than it was even for barack obama when he came in and boy, that was a complicated inbox. >> from what barack obama imagined and creamed, this was a president that said i'm going to turn the page during thiss era f wars. he meant it. that was his central passion of foreign policy and it's moving and painful to see this president at the end of his second term having to say we can't buckley afghanistan, i'm not going to be able to take those troops out.

in syria, it's tougher. >> he asked a person who do i want to be remembered as and the answer was i want to be the president that started a rational moment twaen the west and muslim world. >> it takes a meeting of the minds and great irony if you go around and look at our allies across the middle east, especially our soony allies. they feel connected with us than they have dwight if some time. it proves the point, it was in a presidential election. the test of a president is how he or she responds to unforseen

events. what they promise is never going to come to fruition. remember george w. bush telling in 2000 he was going to have a restrained foreign policy. then 2001 happened and we have the same thing with barack obama. the question is how do you respond to these massive events. >> as david said, this is not the way he wanted to respond. i think really what came from all of us is he had to do that. it's a good chance this won't work. somebody's going to say we need more. >> and chris jansen selling his

make america great caps. i don't know how he's going to take that pay cut. this president, the presidency always humbles the president. always does. >> we're at the campaign promise. he said ultimately there was one question we were focussed on. how do we put the counter terrorism piece in place. that's what's happening with the taliban and al qaeda, isis which is a new force that's being introduced in afghanistan. ultima ultimately, that was the question he focussed on. he only made this decision on wednesday after calling and he

wanted to make sure this was a number or approach that would work. something you won't hear this president or administration say publicly, it was a decision made in the shadow of the decision to withdraw everybody from iraq.

we're paying for a decision. >> i think you're right to say the country as a whole is ready to turn the page. get rid of the wars. nobody likes us, nobody appreciates what we do. what obama found in iraq is that rapid withdrawl thinking we could wash our hands with it. he created a vacuum and absolute nightmare that people came into the vacuum space and deadly in a way we never malked. it is a problem and any american looks at that. >> yesterday marked a big dead line in the risk for the white house. the release of the fundraising and spending reports in the third quarter. to campaigns of hillary clinton and bernie sanders posed the

biggest numbers. sanders is not far behind having raised 26.2 million with 27 still in the bank. >> those are astounding numbers. 37 million and 27 million in the bank. that is hard money. we're starting to see the separation of hard money and super pack money. super pack money distracts the press. oh my god, jeb bush has 100 million. right now the 100 million in the bank does not mean as much as ben carson's 30 million hard money raised. i mean, jeb is in fourth place cash on hand on what determines whether you can put your own adds up and keep your campaign offices open. >> not nearly as much. jeb bush is spending nearly $4 million this month in new hampshire. hillary clinton is spending 1

million and buying nearly as many adds. even if you have someone like mike murphy with the jeb super pack, you're right. scott walker super pack was doing okay. >> i talked to a republican campaign manager. i will not mention the republican campaign manager. talking about how well they were doing. they said what about jeb's $100 million? it will buy about as much as $10 million in hard money because they charged the super packs 10 times as much. the candidates by law have to get the lowest rate on the rate sheet and so if you raise the hard money yourself and you're jeb, you're going to get five, six, seven, ten times as much paying for your buck. go to these super packs, they're turning into a mirage when it comes to the day-to-day

operations of the campaigns. >> they have more cash on hand than jeb bush. >> ted cruz does, ben carson does, marco rubio does. there was a story a couple of days ago that marco rubio couldn't afford the adds. rubio's campaign reached out to us and said guess what, nobody can right now. we're not getting back inventory, which other campaigns said they were. what they're going to troy to do is raise money to do it. >> some campaigns have to buy adds like donald trump. >> here are the numbers. ben carson raised the most money with nearly 21 million followed by jeb bush with 13.4. ted kruz at 12 million. donald trump raised the least but he self-funds. cruz raised the most in his

campaign. doesn't count for outside spending groups. jeb bush is cutting back on some spending. donors have yet to see a return on their spending and a more frugal operation ahead. staffers were taking pay cuts and the candidate will be taking more commercial flights and stay in cheap hotels. bush's campaign reported a strong 13.4 million this quarter out pacing cruz and rubio. his super pack reported raising more than $100 million last quarter will spend big in the plans. >> the concern with the bush campaign just this week is they're putting all this money into adds and the numbers aren't moving. let's not forget $20 million by

ben carson. so much more than jeb bush who has that family net worth of fundraising and there's a lot of nervousness. they did a call yesterday, the bush campaign trying to calm people's nerves but they didn't take any questions. >> the washington post reported they're not able to get outside of the family network. ben carson, okay, i said i don't get it. i said the same thing about barack obama and then he got his first quarter. maybe it was his third quarter where he raised so much money. i get it now. this isn't just the press. ben carson, you look at his network of contributors. small contributors. they're all small contributors. they're all across the country. he raised $31 million. he's got a good bit of cash on hand. that's the campaign that's built to last. ben carson is going to be around. the irony is ben carson's going

to be around and donald trump will be around at the end. the question is will jeb bush and marco rubio. >> i think jeb has got the start moving. when he was asked why does your campaign -- he would say i haven't started advertising yet. like it makes up for the weakness of the conversation. >> more people concerned. >> his best time was i thought on your show a week or so ago when he was funny, engaged in all the questions. i haven't seen him be the jeb bush i thought was there other than that. >> we all thought he was great

on the show. >> i talked to two established republicans. both said the same thing. i said what's it going to be like for donald trump as our nominee. i said how about ben carson? one guy said oh my god. >> they're not there yet. >> the person is not going to go away. >> no way. >> i know ben carson pretty well. he says some outlandish things but in a very low key moderate charming way and really tapping into some of that grass roots. >> ben carson believes donald trump would go back to working and ben carson is on a mission here. he doesn't, they don't have a pollster. the campaign will tell you what good with a pollster do because it's not like we're going to get the pollster in a room with ben

c carson. >> he's just going to say what he believes. if you like it, vote for him. if you don't, don't. >> that's ringing people's bells. just saying what he believes. >> simplicity. >> the simplicity he projects goes to his campaign. i talked to one of his senior staff members last night and he was gleeful. he said what are you doing right now. he said i have a map and we're putting push pins on it. i'm plotting out our future visits to where we're going to be going and i'm going to need a bigger map. he said you know, he said you guys aren't even on the trail. you're on a book tour. he said that they're theory is based and this really surprised me. he said the gold standard is 2008 barack obama. we're working social media. we had a million facebook

followers just from his books before he announced. now 3.2 million more since then. they're working the network, going after the people they know. >> by the way, the predominance of his followers are women. the likes on facebook unlike every other republican candid e candidate, ben carson more women than men. one other thing too, i want to follow up. this is the first week mika and i have heard from leaders in both parties. he could win the nomination. this is the first week people have set back and said oh my

goed. >> this is the reuters pole that came out yesterday. donald trump 31. ben carson 21. everyone else in single digits. >> just put it up there for a second and breathe it in. look at the single digits. thguy i heard the republican establishment swoon over, scott walker, out of the race. >> i happened to run into a couple senior republicans last night who moved beyond to a certain acceptance of the possibility and just of what's going on. for a long time they couldn't believe the numbers and believe what they were seeing. they couldn't look at those numbers. it's up 55, 56, 57% of the party want someone whose never held office. just getting that into their heads and getting their minds around that has been very difficult. i think they're finally getting there and saying gee, this is a

real. >> when you're on the trail and talk to the voters, boy, do they hear that forcefully. >> this is some of the right wing people who thought a cruz or rubio. now they're saying if ben carson stays at 21 or 22 -- >> between ted cruz and donald trump who is actually winning among evangelicals in most of the early states. where's the oxygen for mike huckabee? ted cruz? marco and jeb? >> we'll talk about that coming up. still ahead, a threatened boycott by donald trump and ben carson has carry fiorina asking about their stamina.

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>> yesterday donald trump and ben carson threatened to pull out of the debate unless there's changes in the format. the two candidates insist that the debate be shortened to two hours. they demand candidates give opening and closing statements. trump and carson describe their demands as reasonable format changes. cnbc said they have not done opening and closing statements in past debates and will take the candidates views on the formats into consideration as they finalize their structure. i think they should. last night trump said the network is motivated by profit. >> they've sold out all their commercials and want to increase it by an hour. now, if you look at the debate even though it was boring from last night or the other night

from hillary, it was a two hour deal. i spoke to the rnc and so have other people actually and you know, they don't like the idea because it's unfair. it's unfair to the viewers. i could stand for five hours, 10 hours, it's unfair to the viewers and too long. >> i think we need the spend as much time as possible answering the american people's questions. i'm all for three hours. i'm sorry they don't have the endurance. >> oh my god. >> not enough stamina. >> and can't handle the questions. she's perfect. that's funny. i do agree with trump and carson. >> i agree. the last debate, what was it? the cnn debate, republican debate. that went on forever and was miserable. i understand if you're jeb

zucker and you can get three hours out of candidates instead of two. trump is right. if you're getting 22-$23 million for the first time, make it four hours. if i were running these campaigns and say you get two hours, two hours tops. >> we were watching a deal. trump negotiating with the networks. >> by the way, he's going to win. he's the one that makes the money for them. >> he is because if he's not there and they're going up against the world series, you may be able to measure the audience. >> i'm so interested. yesterday was that you actually had carson and trump's campaign sign the letter and send it themselves and we asked somebody associated with carson's campaign are you getting everybody else to sign? no. and we are left because they don't need to.

>> it's over 50%. they don't need it. >> she is, i'll tell you, as great as donald trump is and it continues to amaze me the way he always works some little thing in there that just hits, she's good at it too. >> carly is great at it. >> and she could handle a five hour debate and answer every question with precision. >> look, from her point of view, she would want a debate every single day. when you look at her numbers, every time there's a debate they go up and drift out. they don't stay at that point totally. they come down a bit. then there's another debate. she needs that exposure. >> all right. still ahead, a friendly game of rugby turns rough when the mayor of london takes on a what?

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legendary attempt at zip lining back in 2012 which left him dangling midair above a crowd at an olympic event. what's wrong? >> this is a man that many consider jean to be a future leader and conservative party of britain. in parliament before you knew him on fleet street. >> look how awkward. >> he was covering prus ls and totally fleek street. he would find some story about the euro cats doing it again.

he was the man vote for me and i promise more money in your pocket, bigger breasts on your wife. for the record, he won that race. >> did he deliver? >> i don't think so. he did, he always, again, that was what he did. he again was sort of trump before trump. >> british politicians have a problem. >> not only are they successful again. >> he manages to break through. >> let me show you the play of

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by? >> as i continue to raise these issues, they're important. >> there you go. that is one of the people up against hillary clinton. >> you are pushing back on this belief. >> no, i'm not. >> she did so well that joe biden. >> she had a great night. you need to say what you said on the air. >> no, i can't. >> why not? >> i'm not sure i can say that word on television. >> you don't think the four men she was up against had a -- >> bernie sanders had a good night too. >> the other three? >> i think there's a narrative. >> laughing at the death of. >> jim web is an impressive person. >> he really is.

>> i think it's an interesting concept. she had an incredible night. i don't think she's up against. >> she was up against some weak competition and at the end of the day, the hillary thing and the i'm curious what everybody else thinks here, it's not going to come down to the benghazi hearing, the reporter, it's the fbi. >> new reports out and the fbi looking at the provision i was talking about it. no, there's a gross negligent standard in the statute that matters and that's in fact what the fbi is looking at right now. if the fbi has a clean bill of health, she's fine. if not, it doesn't matter what

all the people say then it may not be game over but it's close. >> having said that, that was an incredibly powerfully important moment for her in the debate whether bernie sanders gave her a pass. >> again, as far as the e-mail issue goes, the democrats aren't twisted up about this. it hurts the bigger brand and trustworthy numbers. no democrat is going to make a decision based on that. again, it comes down to what the fbi does. >> they're not going to give her a clean bill of health or recommend an inindictment. >> why do you suspect that? >> because two or three weeks ago david agreed. >> i think the republicans are making a mistake on benghazi

because i think the nonissue and what they're ignoring is a problem. you don't hear a word about that. instead you hear only about this tragedy which no one thinks the secretary of state is responsible for. she is responsible for a larger failed policy. >> you're right. it's not only that policy. it's the russia reset. i couldn't agree with you more. i had a guy tell me benghazi was going to win the race for republic republicans in 2016. i said are you kidding me? talk about how she was wrong on just about every foreign policy issue and people care about that. >> this is classic republican behavior.

especially congressional republican behavior. there's a long history of it going all the way back to the 1990s. last clinton, remember, it was dan burton who jumped the shark on bill clinton back in the 90s when they started pursuing these bizarre scandals and convinced this was going to knock down. >> just because he shot a bullet into a pumpkin. >> i've got to say if there's anybody angrier than the clinton campaign people over the benghazi investigation, it's probably tray goudy. he's probably so angry at his republican he wants to pass out. >> he is a serious guy.

he has this mandate and needs to get control. >> it's the republicans undercutting him. >> i think it occurs to me what really starts to resinate is what's in the news. ultimately, people tend to focus, i think voters tend to focus on what's the story of the day and if it's afghanistan, does it help her, joe, that she was more, she was tougher than the sitting defense secretary at the time bringing in more troops to afghanistan? do the republicans lose some of that argument? >> you write on the washington post the gop was right to fear clinton. with more than 15 million people watching a record for the primary debate, clinton talked about ways to boost sagging middle class incomes. that's the sweet spot. yet republicans don't aim at it. what do they talk about? whose going to be toughest on illegal immigration and whose most opposed to president

obama's foreign policy and whose determined to determine planned parent hood. they've most opposed to raising the minute wage. a party that goes into the election on jobs and incomes is begging the lose. do you agree with that, joe or do you think they have the win the primary first? >> i would love to see a republican debate with four or five people and anderson cooper moderate it or someone else that doesn't make them sell off the issue. we haven't seen that. we haven't seen the republicans with the ability to do what hillary, bernie and others were able to do the other night. right now there's a term i would love to use but every one of these republican debates have been a blank show. it's been a mess. it's been entertainment if not policy and it's not just because

of donald trump. it's because everybody has 30 seconds to answer the question and questioners have gotten in the way every time. >> what's going to move the needle? looking ahead to the general election, i understand that the clinton campaign research indicates jobs and incomes move the needle. when you talk about that, people listen. >> doesn't the sanders indicate that. >> exactly. it's good for the democratic lead. >> the question is donald trump, are you going to run as a dependent and then the next

question has to do with ros rosie o'donnell and then the question is the republicans need some serious questions. i hope we're going to get that at cnbc. >> you've got a candidate like jeb bush floundering because he tries to talk about the economy and actual policy and look at the pole. it has trump and carson, the two least policy oriented candidates in the field getting more than half the vote. i feel like the republican base isn't looking for these kind of answers. i agree with you that the democratic base. >> i think you're confusing the base of the ratings. >> i can tell you the republican base has heard from the other candidates are delivering right now. guess what? we've been lied to for 30 years. they promised us balanced budgets and given us the largest deficits in the history of the

country. they promise to appeal obama care. they get the largest land slides in 2010 and 2014. they've made absolutely no progress on it. they promise to restrain foreign policy. we've had military adventurism for over a decade. there's nothing the republican establishment is selling that the republican base is believing and for a good reason. for good reason. washington republicans have lied to voters. >> they make promises they couldn't possibly deliver on. there was no way to appeal obama care. it wasn't going to happen. >> and they didn't deliver an alternative. >> they didn't deliver. >> a free market alternative. >> same thing with the spending and tax stuff. there's no real alternative. we still haven't seen a tax reform plan. i think if you had a debate with kasich, rubio and jeb, you could

join seriously. as long as donald trump and ben carson are on the stage they attract a different kind of audience and they're really compelling. >> they attract a different kind of question too. >> trump in his way gets this. his focus is i'm going to make america great again and make things better for you. i'm going to renegotiate these trade deals and stick it to china and get our jobs back and do this. none of it makes sense in the real world but that's part of this. >> whenever i hear trump talking i think about 78 and 79.

that's the beginning of the conservative revolution which changed american politics for a generation. i think about 13 and i think about the panama canal treaty. just about everybody in the respected foreign policy said we had to give the panama canal back to panama. ronald reagan didn't and the argument on the i ree responsible fore right was we built the damn canal. it's our canal. we're not giving it back. >> what was more important than any of that was the tax cut message. we can be great again. >> we can make america great again. it was in a positive sense. it was can do.

it wasn't building walls, it was really a can do philosophy and reagan picked up on that message. that was the predicate that republicans set in 79. >> i bet you donald trump is going to sound like that in the coming months. >> thank you, josh. your notes paid off again. >> e see it. >> all the smart foreign policy stuff. >> still ahead, we're moments away from new pole numbers crossing for the 2016 field. radio host team joins us to help break it down. also ahead from the rif outing new drama radio land. morning joe is back in a moment. woman: my mom and i have the same hands.

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video. >> welcome back to morning joe. from washington we have the washington post robinson frisky this morning. nbc news white house correspondent. bloomberg views al hunt, an associate editor. joining the conversation from denv denver, we have radio host hue hewitt joining us. hue had questions. >> you want policy and questions instead of what type of tree you would be. >> voters react to tuesday night's democratic debate. an nbc online news pole conducted by survey monkey found hillary clinton the winner with 66% of respondents say she did

best. >> they accept voters between the ages 18-29 and sander's lead has grown 54% to 26%. on the republican side, donald trump holds a 5 point lead

28-23% over ben carson whose surged nine points since september. trump still holds a lead over carson. 28-25%. but the on lien pole found carson has overtaken trump. >> you have been saying for some time i understood the trump phenomenon but not the carson.

>> ben carson's campaign is built to last. it looks like ironically, donald trump and ben carson are going to be the ones that are going to be around to the convention. some may not be able to afford campaign adds. it's a top si tur vie race. it doesn't like like ben carson is going anywhere and doesn't like like trump is either. >> dr. carson raised about 20 million last quarter and has about 11 million cash on hand. ted cruz raised -- marco rubio raised about 6 million.

>> if you look at the super pack, joe, i'm sure mika has gone over this and you are all looking at this. dr. carson doesn't have a huge super pack behind him. i think it's impossible to extrapolate whose going to win in iowa. those numbers don't get people to a caucus. they're both more likely to go out and pay you a thousand

dollars. through home schoolers and churches and all the things in iowa. ben carson is building a pretty remarkable ground game. i've got to say, i had not thought this until yesterday afternoon and after seeing all these numbers. there's only one way to knock trump off of his feet. ben carson could win iowa. if he wins iowa and somebody chancing trump in new hampshire then it's game on. >> it's a series of local races that begin with iowa and new hampshire and i think ben carson

and donald trump are in great shape. that's not going to change much as of now. donald trump getting 25% of the evangelicals. ask him what's your favorite passage from the bible and he says you can't choose. if you're an evangelical and went to work four times a week, the first thing you learn is you were saved by grace. you were never good enough to get to heaven. you have to understand that you were saved by grace and grace alone. donald trump was asked what do

you have to be fore given by by god and he says nothing. >> in 2011 at this point rick santorum was 3%. i think there's a couple of interesting things about this. one, to hue hewitt's question, carson has a mix. they want that free. the other thing is that their philosophy is we're going to let the candidate be who he is. that authenticity comes through and jeb bush, on the campaign trail this week talked about how he was advised to lose the glasses. that's where his campaign is. he said i can't see without my glasses. >> that's a problem. hue hewiue it, there's irony th

developed they're flashing in the pan, no polici, no campaign infrastructure. ben carson is building a campaign infrastructure is iowa and so is donald trump. >> i've been saying from the beginning i'm the only person who said you're going to have an opening in cleveland. the reason is donald trump is not going away, ben carson is not going away. he's a repository for people who hate conflict in politics. he's a lovely man and ted cruz has possibly the most far media action than anyone. since listen cncoln. >> since lincoln.

>> when i see marco speaking i see a guy that's running for student government. >> he's good when he's with questions and hasn't prepared. i've set with him as you have. i'm talking about getting behind the poed numb and delivering a speech like ronald reagan. >> at the defending freedom in 2014, not only did he get

standing othstan standing ovations from the republican crowd, the staff came out of the kitchen and lined the walls to watch him. i look for the weight staff come out. he actually did and i've seen ronald reagan in the same ball room. rubio did better than reagan at the same period during the campaign 40 years later. >> all i can say is wow. >> rubio is no ronald reagan. >> when you talk about a room and an oration. 1978 verses 2014, rubio in orange county did better than reagan in 1978.

squl hue, i agree with you 99% of the time. you might as well be an auburn fan right now because i don't get this. >> he is in fact an ohio state fan. >> oh dear lord. >> you and i discussed the other day so i'm takinger you say with a grain of assault. >> this weekend in new hampshire and i had not seen rubio in a small room before, maybe 150 people. you could hear a pin drop when he was doing his stump speech and talking about his personal story. people worry voted and he was great answering questions. having said that, asking people afterwards if now they would vote for him, they really liked him but they didn't seem to have an enthusiasm for him.

not a knock against marco. i've said the same thing. maybe i have a hang over from barack obama getting into the senate. he decides he's going to run for president. maybe i'm an old man and skeptical. i've always said marco rubio in his second term would be a great seasonal candidate. i sat in the crowd in the press cot bush event in connecticut with a room full of republicans. they were there, they were drad to explode and everybody left just kind of flat marco didn't wow them. >> the only thing i would say about rubio is he has the ability to breakout of this field. you're looking at these numbers and saying my gosh, trump and carson, how's this going to

happen? one of the few people i could imagine breaking out and really changing the shape of this race is rubio. you watch the democratic debate. >> i agree. i think we picked on hue. i agree marco is the most natural politician. on the cnn debate stage there was a lot of talent. the trouble with the republican field is there's a lot of communicators there.

>> you mentioned a name, chris christie. we've known chris for a long time. he's been a really good friend of ours and we've gone about a year and a half without talking to him because he didn't like we did away with the cover the bridge controversy. chris christie is at his best right now. he's better than he's ever been. more relaxed. he's been beaten up and come out the other side. he doesn't seem like he can get traction. >> on december 15th i expect he'll come out hard and trampoline into iowa. december is the big debate because it's the last time

people focus. the holidays come in and people have a hang over mid-january. december 15th is the night chris christie has to make his statement. he has to stick in new hampshire and iowa the following month. >> chris january sen talked about rick santorum at 3%. if i had to bet on a 3%er, it would be chris christie because chris christie has some of what trump has. he was going to be the tough brawling north easterner. i look at the field and i don't see cruz breaking out. chris brings up a great point, hue, it is still so early.

2004 john kerry was considered dead k dead. everybody was pounding him in iowa. he was taking town halls in iowa with 30-40 people there. >> i saw ronald reagan as a young man. he was out of the running in 78. he was doing county fairs and ball rooms with 25 people in it. no one thought he was going to be president much less in front of the berlin wall. it's way too early. nevertheless, social media engagement, ted cruz and donald trump and ben carson dominate the field. those three have the most

dominate. >> he's a democratic optimistic guy and has a great story. >> tonight you have to nose in this cycle, last time fred thompson raised $12.8 million. >> which is basically for hanging out in hotel rooms in new hampshire all day. >> watching tennessee football games. >> all right. pressure continues to mount for vice president joe biden. yesterday while waiting to greet the south korean president outside the naval observatory.

biden reflected questions from nbcs kristin welker. >> are you running for president? have you made your decision yet? >> i can't hear you. >> have you made your decision yet? do democrats deserve your decision, mr. vice president? [ inaudible ] >> i can't hear you. >> he's loving this. >> can you hear me now? >> is he going to run? >> i think not. not based on good reporting. based on instinct. >> i think he's going to delay it as long as he can because he's obviously loving it. >> mika, you still think he's going to run? >> i do. what about you? >> i don't think he knows. >> i think the head verses heart thing is getting old. if he's going to make a decision, either way, whether he

runs or not, he needs to make the decision. it is an ugly nasty, this is why i feel bad about, could you imagine going through what marco rubio goes through every single day. what jeb goes through every day. what they all go through every single day. >> you have to pretend to love it. >> i couldn't think of a more gut wrenching thing to do. >> i never thought he was going to run unless the clinton candidacy collapses, unless something really bad happens. >> a lot of folks at the white

house think why would you -- and would you have a chance of winning? why would you risk that? >> there was a panic on the democratic side that hillary was in a free fall and bernie sanders was not a plausible candidate, what are we going to do and the answer was joe biden. she had a good debate. >> he had a good debate against the lincoln chaffey. . i think you have to give her credit. he can get in in january.

obviously, iowa and new hampshire passes. there's winner take alls ahead of him. >> hue, thank you very much. >> all i can say about joe biden is please god let him run. i can't watch five more of those democratic debates without him. >> still ahead on morning joe, the pentagon spokesman and presidential candidate lindsey graham. join the conversation. you're watching morning joe. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon.

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my goal has been to make sure we give every opportunity for afghanistan to succeed while still making sure we're meeting core emissions. as i've continually said my approach is to assess the

situation on the ground and figure out what's working and not working and continually make adjustments to insure we give the best possibilities for success and we'll continue to evaluate this going forward as will the next president. >> 26 past the hour. the pentagon press secretary, cook. >> peter followed in big footsteps right there. >> yes, he does. >> he did. the admiral has moved on. >> yes. a big decision yesterday from the white house. why is that? >> i think the president and secretary carter and military leadership taking a look at the situation in afghanistan saw things are fragile.

it's going to keep americans safer. i apologize for my phone going off here. >> cookie mistake. come on. >> i bet you're getting a text saying you're on morning joe. >> you screwed up that answer. you're only 10 seconds in. obviously, it has to do with the fact there's still unrests. the possibility of isis entersienter entersientering the fray as well. you have to look at the process the union government has made. this is a country that wants us there and wants us to continue our efforts. we're building on progress.

more than 2,200 american lives lost in afghanistan. >> how big of a distraction is iraq? how big of a difference would it make? >> none. >> even in 2004 you had people on the ground that understood the problem wasn't just afghanistan. the problem was across the boarder in pakistan.

>> are they going to get pulled back in the attack? i want to ask you. >> this is the first year the afghan security forces were in the lead. the first fighting season in that roll and they showed recivil yen si and toughness. >> the focus is to try to build on those. have the forces there to assist and advise. >> i can't really answer that question.

>> well, right now, the emissions cleared for the u.s. troops and one again is to let those capabilities for the afghan security forces grow and build. the u.s. forces are there to bolt administer them and train them on the aviation equipment they've gotten. we've had a very successful operation. those are the kinds of things. >> another challenge for the administration. did you want to talk about that? >> one quick question. given the strength of the taliban and given the fact isis is trying to move into afghanistan and taken one area, any reason to believe that at the end of president obama's term in office, the afghan forces are going to be ready to take up the fight to sustain

this fight? is there any reason to believe things are going to be better in a year and a half? >> 5,500 troops still when he leaves office. there's going to be an american presence there. we're not leaving afghanistan. that's an important message. in part because the afghan security forces going forward. u.s. forces are there to help afghanistan get -- >> this is richard haas. we're moving to syria now which is another challenge. testing putin in syria. putin is known to be a marble arts enthuse yast and his reaction in syria is consistent with many of the discipline's principals including the decisive thrust that neutralizes the deponents strengtss and destructs his weaknesses.

even this modest aim will prove costly. the real question then is whether putin sees the government as an end in itself or as a means to an end. peter, if you could comment on that and also comment on the complications in our relationship with putin given what he's done in syria. >> well, we just came back from a trip to europe. i was with secretary carter. we met with the allies and talked about the situation and what putin and russia are doing. just hearing secretary carter, it's consistent with what we're hearing from the allies as well. what russians are doing in syria is a backwards policy. it's a failed policy. it's not going to lead to the

transition that needs to take place. we have to move on from the serian regem and anything that the russians are doing is counterproduct evidence. >> the opposition is the most important thing we can be doing. >> they say we have finally found people who can fight on our behalf and those are the serian kurds and are now 45 kilometers from rocca and they would like us to go all in with those fighters. i want to ask you about that. secretary carrie just raised the

question whether u.s. special forces finally after so many months of debate should be with them, forward, what are about those two things? are these serian kurds and allies the new answer and should they have u.s. troops with them on the ground helping? >> well, those moderate serian opposition forces you talked about had been very effective in the fight. i think as you pointed out, perhaps more effective than people thought. we provided air support and continue to do that going forward. they have taken the fight successfully. >> no american boots on the ground and that's a policy decision made. we're providing support for

them. is it the only thing we can do on their behalf? we'll see. >> right now they're taking the fight. >> thank you very, very much. still ahead, attention between israelis and pal tin canadians remain high. what can be done to stop it and what the u.s. should be doing to help. keep it right here on morning joe. ♪ ♪ ♪

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breaking news of the new attack this morning. the associated press reports that a palestinian man wearing a yellow vest with the word press wrote on it stabbed and killed an israeli solder. the man was shot and killed by other soldiers. he described himself as a news photographer. he attacked the soldier and wounded him. the soldier was evacuated for emergency medical care. israel's ambassador joins us now. there's been a wave of violence. >> mr. bam bass door, this seems to happen, repeatedly, not to this degree but we were talking a year ago you had several attacks. a by by ran over in a carriage. what's going on?

what's your response to it? how do we stop the cycle of violence? >> there's been cycles of palestinian violence that's popped up from time to time. all around the issue being spread. they were spreading a lie then. israel is not going to change the status squoe on the mound. it's the authority and president saying. >> why won't president come out and tell palestinians that's a lie if in fact that's the case? >> i don't know. that's a question you'll have to ask the pal tin canadian tip diplomats and the president.

this issue, this violence sort of blew up when you had the spread that israel was harming the sacred sites. that's not true. you had last night the burning of joseph's tomb. the truth of the matter is israel is the gaurn toor. if we didn't have that, the sites would be endangered. they do not respect the religious sites of others. >> i want to ask you about the path and whether jordan can play

a roll. it's my understanding on the temple mound as israelis say, the religious authorities there are jordanian and i know the king has felt over the last few weeks, the situation has been deti detier deteriorating. is there some way going forward -- >> we would welcome jordan support in deescalating this. they've had a special roll in the religious sites on the temple mount since 1967. israel came in there in 1967. we obviously didn't destroy the mosque but did something unbelievable. we gave the muslim religious authorities the keys to their sites. we said you're going to control your religious sites and the christians control theirs and

we'll have overall kovrnty. jordan has had a unique roll. >> if you remember last year you had a meeting between secretary carrie, the king of jordan, prime minister, the president of the yeeegypt on the phone. together they were able to work out an arrangement that dampened down and deescalated attentions. >> isn't that -- >> even in the middle east it takes two to tango. the prime minister is willing to meet the president any time.

in the last seven years i think he feels he doesn't have to. at the negotiating table he will have to make concessions. president will have to make concessions as well. in 2008, when he was given a sweeping offer by the prime minister, he never responded to it. the palestinians believe that they can avoid negotiations with israel and israel will be blamed for the failure to achieve peace and they'll go through the united nations and be handed everything without making concessions to israel. that's been the template for six or seven years. it's not something that the president of the united states supports or something that the international community

supports. they have to push back to force them to the negotiating table. we can't get the peace if you can't sit down at a peace table. >> by the way, a morning joe do. >> i was accused of being -- >> don't put me in the middle of this. and dr. brzezinski looked at me, you gave everything in 2000 oslo and walked away from it and launched attacks. and dr. brzezinski said, "you know, you are stunningly superficial." >> you never forgot that. >> so you mentioned the statement that secretary of state kerry made of support this morning. last night he gave a speech at indiana university, there were former members of congress in the audience.

as you look at the situation as it is right now, what is the u.s. role in this? what can secretary kerry or president obama do? what is israel looking for from the united states? >> i think the most important thing right now is we want to stop the violence. help us de-escalate. i think the best thing to do is follow secretary kerry's lead in pushing back on saying you have to stop these terror acts and have you to basically stop lying about israel changing the status quo on the temple mount. that's what firing these people up. and then we have to get back to the negotiating table to try to resolve a conflict. people confuse the root causes of a conflict with the root causes of terrorism. there are conflicts around the

world, they don't necessary lil lead to terrorism. >> were you disappointed when john kerry came out and suggested that -- >> the spokesperson says he was never -- >> john kerry seemed to link these terrorist attacks against 72-year-old grandmothers with israeli settlements. did the state of israel lodge a come plant against john kerry in the state department after making that -- >> when we asked about that, they said privately what they said publicly that he was not making the connection but he gets to exactly the point. the issue of settlements deals with what deal with the route causes of settlements. what was the negotiations in june 1967. the conflict went on for 50

years before there was a single one of those settlement. when israel removed all those settlements, gaza was turned into an iranian terror base. the root cause has been the refusal of a palestinian national movement to accept the jewish state in any border. but there is a separate issue of what is the root cause or did mahatma gandhi have a will the greens? but he did not resort to terrorism. they were democrats, not terrorists. the problem in palestinian society is you have a culture of hatred and violence that were inculcated and you have killers glorified as heros.

you have public squares named after terrorists. young palestinians want to grow up and be doctors and lawyers and firemen and successful businessmen and political leaders, just like most countries around the world and not to celebrate and glorify murderers. if that culture changes, that will be the single most important step to ultimately achieving peace. >> ambassador ron deermer, thank you very much. we're back in just a moment.

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 on the east coast. we have eugene robinson, chris jansing, associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius. >> david, we're glad you're here. so much to talk through about afghanistan, syria. >> never ends, does it? >> no, it never ends. the pace seems to quicken by the day. i remember david sanger's book, "the inheritance" as george w. bush left office and what he was leaving the next president. i cast no aspersions, no blames. this is just a view on my part. but the inbox for the neshs preside -- next president is going to be far more complicated than what

barack obama inherited. >> this was a president who said i'm going to turn the page on it era of wars. the predecessor, george w. bush had begun. and he meant it. that was his central passion in foreign policy. and it is moving and painful to see this president at the end of his second term having to say we can't leave afghanistan, i'm not going to be able to take those troops out, that page i wanted to turn, it's still there. >> and more than that. somebody -- a high-ranking official in obama's first term once told me he asked the president what do you want to be remembered as? the answer was i want to be the president who started a sort of rapport between the west and the muslim world. >> it takes a meeting of the minds and the great irony is, al

hunt, if you go around and look at our allies in the middle east, or sunni allies, they feel more disconnected from us than they have in quite some time. maureen dowd wrote in either 2008 or 2012, i can't remember, i'm an old guy but it was in a presidential election. the test of a president is how he or she responds to unforeseen events because what they promise is never going to come to fruition. you remember george w. bush telling lehrer he was going to have a restrained foreign policy and now how do you respond to these massive unforeseen events? >> as david said, i think this is what made it so uncomfortable

for barack obama. this is not the way he wanted to respond. i think what really is vexing for all of us is i think he had to do that and there's a good chance it won't work. there's a good chance in two years someone will have to say we need more. yet if we don't go, it's exactly what you said a moment ago. it's why they get all that pay for the job, i guess. >> and chris jansing gets not as much for donald trump for selling those ca caps. i don't know how he going to tack that pay cut. i read about how president obama is going to have to bow to the reality. the presidency always humbles the president. it just always does. >> where the campaign promise meets the backs on the ground. i talked to a senior

administration official last night and there was one question they were focused on, how do we put the counterterrorism in place, when you look at what's happening with the taliban, the resurgence of al qaeda, with isis, a new force being introduced in afghanistan. ultimately that was the question he focused on. he only made this decision on wednesday after calling ghani. he wanted to make sure this was a number, an approach that could work. what an agonizing decision. i went back and watched him on the campaign train in 2008, 2012. "i promise you i'm going to bring our troops home."

you realize how much passion he had and felt. >> something you will not hear this administration say publicly, it was a decision made in the shadow of withdrawing everybody from iraq. david ignatius, withdrawing everybody from iraq when the american people were saying withdraw everybody from iraq but it created a void after a decade of war, americans wanted out but we're paying for that decision, a decision that all of americans owe. >> i think you're right, joe, to say the country as a whole has wanted to turn this page, get rid of these impossible wars, nobody likes us, nobody appreciates what we do, but what obama found in iraq is that a rapid withdrawal thinking we could wash our hands of it created a vacuum and an absolute nightmare. the people who came into that vacuum space are deadly in a way that we really never imagined. and it is a problem.

i think any americans looks at that and thinks, wow. the fact the russians have come in and said these weak americans can't solve the problem for you but we're going to do it. that's a whole new category of problem, we have to wrap our mind around it. >> the campaigns of democrats hillary clinton and bernie sanders posted the biggest number with clinton raising nearly 30 million leaving her with 33 million on hand. sands are is not far behind having raised 26.2 million with 27 million still in the bank. >> those are astounding numbers, 31 million and 27 million in the bank. and that is hard money. we're starting to see the separations, al hunt, of hard money and super pac money. super pac money distracts the press. oh, my god, jeb bush has 100

million, big money is taking over, blah, blah, blah. right now that money in the bank for pac money done mean as much as ben carson's 30 million hard money raised. jeb's in fourth place cash on hand on what determines whether can you put your own ads up or keep your campaign open. >> jeb bush is spending about $4 million this month in new hampshire. hillary clinton is spending about $1 million. the super pacs control. you're absolutely right. scott walker's super pac was doing okay. >> by the way, i talked to a republican campaign manager, i will not mention the republican campaign manager, talking about how well they were doing. i said, gene, what about jeb's hard money, though? he laughed. he said jeb's $100 million in

iowa/new hampshire will buy about as much as $10 million in hard money because they charge the super pacs ten times as much. the candidates, by law, have to get the lowest rate on the rate sheet. so if you raise the hard money yourself and you're jeb, you're going to get five, sectioix, se ten times as much for your bucks. the super pacs are turning into a mirage. >> ted cruz has more cash on hand than jeb bush. >> ted cruz does, marco rubio does. there was a story a couple of days ago that ted cruz couldn't afford the ads. marco rubio's campaign reached

out and said, guess what, none of us can. >> and some campaigns doesn't have to buy ads, like donald trump, for example. >> ben carson raised the most with nearly 21 million, followed by jeb bush with 13.4 and cruz with 12.2. donald trump raised the most of any republican though he has repeatedly said he'd cash fund. now, jeb bush is cutting back on some spending. donors have yet to see a return on their spending and political reporting. a more frugal spags the candidate will be taking more commercial flights and driving between events staying in "cheap" hotels.

13.4 million, bush outpaced cruz and rubio and his super pac which raised $100 million last quarter will spend big in their plans to seasoned out $17 million worth of ad they is he did let's not for get, $20 million by ben carson? so much more than jeb bush, who has that family networking of fund-raising. they did calls yesterday, the bush campaign, trying to calm people's nerves. >> "the washington post" reported they're just not able to get outside of the family network. ben carson, i said i don't get it. i said the same thing about barack obama and then he got his

first quarter -- ben carson, you look at his network of contributors. small contributors. they're all small contributors, they're all across the country. he's raised $31 million. he's got a good bit of cash on hand. that's a campaign that's built to last. ben car and you's going to be around. and donald trump's going to be around at the end. the question is will jeb bush and marco rubio? >> ignatius just grumbled. >> i think jeb has got to start moving. when he was asked, he'd say i haven't started advertising yet, as if advertising would make up for the weakness of the presentation. >> i need name recognition.

>> i've had more insiders concerned with that response. i've never heard a candidate say, well, it the advertising. >> a week or so ago on your show, he was funny, engaged in all the people i thought there was other than that. he cannot seem to project that person. >> we all thought he was great on the show. >> i talked to two establishment republicans yesterday, one of whom was with jeb and one with marco and both said the same thing, for the first time i'm beginning to think what's it going to be like with donald trump as our nominee. and one person said how about ben carson and he said, oh, my god. but ben carson is going to go away. he says some outlandish thanks

but he says them in a low key, moderate way and he believes. >> donald trump will go back to working. and they don't have a pollster. because the campaign will tell you what good will a pollster do? because ben carson wouldn't listen to him and that actually is the appeal to ben carson to voters in 2016, that he just going to say what he believes and if you like it, vote for him and if you don't, do. >> that is really ringing people's bells. >> the simplicity. >> and the simplicity that he projects goes to his campaign. i talked to one of his senior staff members on the phone and he was virtually gleeful. i said what are you doing right

now? he said i have a map and i'm putting push pins and i'm plotting out where we're going to be going and i'm going to need a bigger map. i said you guys are not even out on the trail, you're out on this book tough. he said the gold standard is 2008 barack obama. we are working our social media. we a million facebook, now they have and to your point, kids like his message. >> and, by the way, the freedom nens of his followers are women. the likes on facebook, unlike every other republican candidate, ben carson still,

more this is the first day that mika and i have heard from representatives from both parties. this is the first week that people have said set back and said, oh, my god. >> this is the reuters poll that came out late yesterday. has donald trump at 31 and ben carson at 21, everyone else in single digits. >> just put it up a there for a second, gene, and just brett it in. >> i also happened to run into a couple senior republicans last night, who you think had moved

beyond and -- apoplexy. for a while they couldn't believe what they were seeing. it's up 55, 56, 57% of the party of republicans voters want someone who has never held elected office. just getting that into their heads and getting their minds around that has been very difficult. but i think they're finally getting there. >> and when you're out on the trail and you hear from voters, boy, do you hear that forcefully. >> and this has rattled not only establishment rebs republicans but some of the right wing who maybe thought a cruise or rubio. if ben carson stays at 22, marco

rubio and ted cruz, there's no room for him. >> where is the oxygen for mike huckabee? where is the oxygen for ted cruz? where's the oxygen for marco and for jeb? >> and still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> jesse! >> how you doing today? >> how are you doing? >> stop being angry. >> i'm not. >> you are. >> it is a terrifying movie for any parents out there, the new film "meadowland." olivia wilde and luke will join the discussion on that. and we'll get lindsey graham's reaction to the president's

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together, we're building a better california. if you had to pick a republican presidential candidate to be stuck on an island with, who would it be? >> marco rubio. he's used to the sun. >> good answer. you're from burlington vermont and so is ben & jerry's.

if you were a flavor of ben & jerry's, what would you be called? >> burn, bernie, burn. >> have you ever been in handcuffs? >> yes. i don't know exactly what you mean by that. i take it to mean was i ever arrested by the police? >> well, no, not necessarily. when i was young was involved in a civil rights demonstration and was arrested. >> all right, let's call it a civil rights demonstration. >> exactly. sometimes you just leave it alone. >> ellen degeneres is the greatest. >> is that what you call it now, a civil rights demonstration? >> free at last. >> don't tell us about your personal life. yesterday donald trump and ben carson threatened to pull out of the next debate unless there are changes to the format. in a joint letter to debate host

cnbc, the two candidates insist the debate be shortened to two hours instead of cnbc's proposal for two hours with up to another 16 minutes in commercial breaks. trump and carson explain their demands as very reasonable changes. cnbc says it has not done opening and closing remarks in past debates and will, quote, take their views into consideration as they finalize their structure. donald trump said they were motivated by profit. >> they've sold out on their commercials. if you look at the debate the other night, even though it was boring, it was a two-hour deal. i spoke to the rnc and the other people. they don't like it either.

it's unfair to the viewers. i could stand for five hours, ten hours. it's unfair to the viewers. it's too long. >> i think we need to spend as much time as possible for answering the american people's questions. i'm all for three hours. i'm sorry they apparently don't have the endurance. and -- >> what was it the cnn debate, the republican debate? that went on forever. it was miserable. i understand if you're jeb zucker and you can get three hours out of candidates instead of two but trump's exactly right. if you're getting $22, $23 million for the first time, make

it four hours. but if i was running the campaign, i'd say you get two hours tops. >> we're watches the art of the deal. donald trump can negotiate with the network. >> he's going to win, too, because he's the one who makes the money for them. >> he is because if he's not there and they're going up against the world series, you may be able to measure the audience in dozens rather than in million. >> what was so interesting yesterday, gene, was that you actually had carson and trump's campaign sign a letter and send it themselves. we asked somebody associated with carson's campaign, are you getting everybody else to sign? no. and we all laughed because they don't need to because that's over 50% of the -- >> over 50% of the support in the polls so they really don't need the others. we'll carry this one or -- it doesn't matter. doesn't matter. >> if you're carly fiorina and you're single digits, you want

more time to get your message out there. as great as donald trump is and it continues to amaze me the way he always works some little thing in there -- >> a zinger. >> that just hits, she's pretty good at it, too. >> carly's great at it. >> and she could handle a five-hour debate and she would answer every question with precision. >> wouldn't you like to see her in a debate against hillary clinton? >> yes. >> if you look at her numbers, every time there's a debate, they go up and then they drift down. they don't stay. then there's another debate and she gets another boost. so she needs that exposure. >> coming up on "morning joe," lindsey graham wants to leave u.s. troops in afghanistan but for far more than what the president is calling for. >> that's a surprise. the republican senator joins us next from the 2016 campaign trail.

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>> day number nine in manchester. >> wow. >> let's talk politics for a second. i'm wondering, you know, we've been talking a good bit about some of these polls, and the realization was brought up that the republican establishment certainly people are suggesting that maybe trump does have staying power to go all the way through to the end and win the nomination at least. should we expect main street republicans to start working together and forming together either through pacs or other alliances to try to stop donald trump? >> i hope so. >> you have heard of any ideas out there of mainstream republicans aligning together -- >> in case you're watching the show, this is a good idea. >> i have heard the idea and

somebody told me i should ask you and i got the response. first of all, let talk about what's going on in israel. obviously continued attacks. we had the ambassador on earlier today that talked about the fact that they could not get the palestinians to the table. what should the united states do? >> well, i'd just have israel's back. i'm chairman of the foreign operations subcommittee on appropriations that deals with palestinian aid. i'm going to threaten to cut the money off. the west bank is developed far better than the gaza strip but this has to stop. this is what happens when you have a vacuum of leadership. i think the palestinians believe they can challenge israel, stab people, go to the u.n. and get state status and the world community is not going to do much about it. i'm glad the administration is stepping up their rhetoric. we'll have a resolution to support israel's position. the biggest news is the testing

of the missile by iran, testing the international community will they do anything about this missile programming expanded in violation of u.n. sanctions. it's letting israel know if you hit us, we're going to hit you back. >> i've seen you in south carolina and i wonder when you wake up in the morning and you look at the polls, can you believe that this gambling mogul is beating you in your own state? >> he's captured the frustration of about a third plus of the primary. up kn you know, the two-hour debate. the debate terms will be whatever donald wants them to be because he's the big draw. but there's iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. people eventually going to vote. when you look at 2008 and 2012, the people are on top at this point never made it. he's got to prove to people he's

ready to be commander in chief, he has an economic plan, he can work with democrats to bring the country back from what i think is a slow economy and a world falling apart. does he really understand what's going on in the world. i'm not worried at all. if i do well in new hampshire, i'll win south carolina. if i don't do well in new hampshire, i'll have to reevaluate. >> i'm mystified here. i'm wondering why doesn't you think why ayour candidacy has t off. you've been in the senate a long time, talking about your expertise, your head of the foreign relations committee. why don't you think you're catching on? >> number one, marco and jeb are getting beat by trump in florida. national polls really mean zero right now. >> lindsey, not only that, john

kasich who has a 60% approval rate in ohio is getting beat by trump by 10 percentage points right now. as i as you say, it's like flying a plane upside down right now. >> if you're in politics, people think if you can't get any worse, as iran develops their missile technology, as isil rises, people are going to be looking for experience to replace commander in chief barack obama. i'd have 989800 troops in afghanistan because that's what they recommended. i've been to iraq 35 times and 34 years in the air force.

i think it will work and if it doesn't, god help us. >> how do explain ben carson's appeal? >> what was your column on ben carson earlier this week? >> yeah, it was a column on ben carson earlier this week. >> it was kind of tough. >> it was kind of tough. i frankly don't get it. he's a lovely man. i don't see him as commander in chief. >> he's a lovely man, he's a great doctor, and everybody else thinks we suck. that's all i know what to tell you. i can't understand what he's saying half the time. he's a brilliant guy but i don't think he has a clue about what's going on in the mideast. so what can i say? i don't know. i'm just doing the best i can. i'm going to do well in new hampshire. i've had two dozen town halls and ask me something. >> that may well be the great --

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>> [ bleep ]. >> hey, jesse is fine. i can feel it. >> oh, my gosh. that was a scene from the new drama meadowland, that follows a couple, sarah and phil, as they grapple with the abduction of their son during a family road trip. joining us now, the co-stars of the film, olivia wilde and luke wilson. good to have you both. >> thank you. >> on board this morning. >> i would think actually, olivia, drama's the wrong word for this. it was like for a parent, it was a terror film. opening scene i'm just sitting there and you're talking and looking at the cute kid and -- >> you knew it. >> i kept waiting for a car to like smash and kill the -- >> anticipation. >> but i will tell you that was every bit as terrifying for a parent knowing something was about to happen and it pulls you in from the start.

it's remarkable. >> we had a really great director, this woman reid mo morano. she actually cast her son in the -- it was her way of putting herself there. >> her father died when she was 18 and everybody's world just blew apart and her, including her own. >> exactly. she was really interested in the idea that grief is an individual journey, everyone has a very different experience and it very isolated and even two parents who experience the same loss deal with it in completely different ways. >> but before grief, it just torture, permanent torture. >> it's like one of those little paragraphs, you read the metropolitan section of your paper and you always wonder what happens to these people involved in these kind of tragedies, like a year or two later, because

their lives go on. >> exactly. >> your character responded in a much different way. talk about that, how you really -- you're a good guy, you lost your moral compass there. >> right. my character kind of unravels a little bit to where he kind of wants to take retribution against a guy, understandably. that's another thing, i loved the movie "taken," where there is kind of the flip side, what actually would happen to a couple. >> and your character is also a cop, which to me is this poet beipoetic thing because you even can't protect your family, you're supposed to be the symbol of justice. >> and now the sort of interesting side note, much bigger than that, though, is you actually were pregnant by filming this. >> i came on to this project two

years before filming and was a producer as well. i was so excited to get casting and found out i was pregnant. i thought, oh, no, what am i going to do? but our director said now you can really play a mother she said this is your daniel day lewis moment. it's very method, i have children. >> unfortunately i have seen a couple of people in real life experience horrific tragedies with regard to their children, and grief can have a tendency to collapse and destroy a relationship, a husband and wife relationship. how do you do that on a day-to-day basis, filming that? how do you get into that? >> it's so heart breaking because you imagine your child is a representation of the combination of you and your partner. if you were to lose your child, how could you even look at your partner? all you would see is your

child's face. i think it made sense these people could barely look at each other. we barely touch in the film, because it's that impossible thing to recognize each other and yet we're the only ones who can really help each other. so, yeah. >> i find working on a comedy it's one of those things you don't realize until you work on something like this is that, you know, i find that the goal on a comedy are very clear cut, you're trying to make a scene funny. and then when you're going for more emotional thing like this, the goals aren't quite as clear and you don't get the kind of pay back of, oh, did that scene work? was a crew guy smiling? you go home at the end of the day kind of wondering what you've done. >> it's got to be nerve racking. of course the reviews and the response has been great. i remember seeing "tinder

merci mercies" in the 1980s. and about four months later i was just someone sitting there going, wait, that was a terrific movie. it's not like flames burst through in the opening scene. it just sort of stays with you. you leave it and it stays with you, right? >> yes. and also reed, the director, is a great cinematographer. it interesting to see a movie directed by someone with such a good eye. >> and she was operating the camera as well. she's a very accomplished cinematographer. we were lucky enough to have her d.p. the film and operate. >> seems like the women of this movie had multiple jobs. >> i feel i do much better with female bosses. i'm much more agreeable and willing to help, whereas a guy

comes up to me i'm like who does this guy think he is? >> you're in my position every day. it's women's power any time you step out of line. but this is serious. i read a "newsweek" article on this. in a hollywood that mika talks about an awful lot, especially after the sony hack, women are treated horribly in hollywood in so many respects in is a bit of a breakthrough. >> it is. it made it tough for some to imagine it was worth investing in. and we proved them wrong. >> i hope you were paid accordingly and equally. >> that's right. >> next time you come -- >> i'll see if i can get myself

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good friday morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. this is msnbc. right now all eyes are on capitol hill. any minute hillary clinton's top aide will arrive to testify before the benghazi committee. huma will testify herself. today's hearing comes as criticism mounts, most recently by a republican lawmaker claiming the committee is politically motivated. kelly o'donnell is on the hill. kelly, what are the stakes here this morning? >> the stakes are high on substance and atmospherics. huma is the brain trust to hillary clinton so she is