you bet he heard my colleague, kristen welker. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where huma abedin, close confidant to hillary clinton for decades since huma was back in college as an intern has been testifying today before members and staff of the benghazi select committee, a committee reeling from a string of political gaffes by house republicans themselves. maryland congressman elijah cummings is the top democrat on the committee and joins me now. congressman, thank you very much. i know you just spoke as you came out. tell me how do you characterize the questioning today? tell us what was going on inside. >> i'm not going to get too much into what happened there because i don't want to be accused of what i have accused the republicans of doing, leaking

information from these interviews. i thought so far that the questioning was overall fair. the thing is, andrea, unlike a lot of other witnesses, miss aberdin was treated differently. the press was told the exact time and location of this interview. only those witnesses who are closely related to hillary clinton have been treated that way. mr. blumenthal and others and jake sullivan, sheryl mills, they have been singled out to be treated this way. it's very unfortunate. >> so they are in the spotlight, clearly, because of the high interest that has been created. and there was a statement from the campaign today questioning why huma abedin should be interviewed since she's not an intelligence official, has no authority, was not in the chain of command of what trey gowdy,

the chairman, said as recently as yesterday was the province of the committee. what happened before benghazi, what happened during the attack, what happened afterwards. >> that's interesting. keep in mind we know from previous interviews that she had no operational role. she was not with mrs. clinton on the night of this tragedy. and she was not involved in any kind of policy decisions. and really has nothing to do with benghazi. i think they pulled her in, just as a spectacle. but again, this is the thing the republicans have about zeroing in on hillary clinton. now, my good friend mr. gowdy has said don't look at our words, look at what we do. well, the fact is that again, we have a situation where we have singled these folks out but keep in mind, too, that the families, you and i have talked about this before, they only asked us to do three things. that's the families of our brave

diplomatic corps, including our ambassador. they asked us to do three things. one, do not make this a political football. they begged us with tears in their eyes. number two, they asked us to find out about what happened that night and if there were things we did not know before, to let them know. and number three, they said do every single thing in your power to make sure this does not happen to another member of our diplomatic corps and i think we have strayed away basically from all three of them. >> well, what could huma abedin be questioned about if she was not with hillary clinton that night and had no operational authority? what would take all these hours? because we are told they are going to go well into the afternoon. >> that's a good question. that's a good question. i think you would have to ask mr. gowdy -- chairman goudy about that. >> trey gowdy is not even there today. >> no, he's not. i'm just saying, the chairman is the one, we don't call the shots on the democratic side.

we don't call the shots as to who comes in and who testifies. that's done by the republicans. again, they bring in witnesses that they want to testify. but again, this is that same effort to zero in on hillary clinton and basically at taxpayer expense, i want to emphasize that, they have already spent $4.5 million and probably it will go up to $6 million by the time this is all over, and basically, mr. mccarthy, congressman mccarthy and mr. poliska, the aide, the hand-picked assistant to mr. gowdy, and then of course, mr. hanna, what they have done is they have already affirmed what we already knew. so the things that they said, we have been seeing that all along. so this is just an affirmation, today, this latest thing of bringing miss aberdin to the

hill, dragging her through testimony when she was not there on the night of the event, she was not with hillary clinton on the night, she has no operational role, she has no policy role, but yet and still, they drag her in and again, i think there's an obsession with again, trying to derail the campaign of hillary clinton. period. >> there was a statement from trey gowdy, the chairman, disputing what richard hanna, the other republican member who acknowledged that this was politically motivated, and after that, trey gowdy put out a statement saying there are seven members of the benghazi committee who are intimately familiar with the work of the committee, the motives behind the work and the results of that work. congressman hanna is not one of them. my team of investigators drawn from the military federal agencies and the congressional oversight and ethics committees has worked hard and in an above-board manner. it is unfortunate when claims are made by those who do not know what the committee has done. why it has done it or the results of the work. so he's disputing his own republican colleague.

can you shed some light on that? >> but -- well, let's take chairman gowdy at his word. don't forget, before congressman hanna made his statement that the second in command, the second in command, mr. mccarthy, made it clear what this is all about, and then his statement was corroborated by mr. podiska, a military man, done all kinds of investigations, hand-picked on the staff of the republicans, he then affirmed it and then when we met, so you can put mr. hanna's statements to the side but keep in mind, when this select committee was established, you can bet your bottom dollar with speaker boehner was his second in command, mr. mccarthy, and if anybody should know why this was established, it should be mr. mccarthy. so again, mr. podiska, this is somebody who was on the inside. chairman gowdy wants us to ask

questions about who knows what's going on, well, podiska was on the inside. he then affirmed what we already knew. period. >> elijah cummings, thank you, congressman. thanks very much for being with us. of course, we have asked for the other side to come on as well. we will keep doing that. joining me live on capitol hill, nbc's luke russert. here in the studio, "new york times" white house correspondent mark ladler and msnbc political reporter, alex seitzwald. luke, first to you. it begs the question, what are they asking huma abedin about? her e-mails? it's hard to imagine because she doesn't have any connection we know of to benghazi. >> it's a very good question. i was somewhat taken back what chairman cummings said, that the questioning was fair but he didn't know why the questioning was happening. that sort of leaves this gray area to what exactly is happening in the doors behind me in that room. what we do know from what the committee said ahead of time, this is the republican members

of the committee, is that the questioning would focus on the events of 9/11, 2012, and what exactly the executive branch's role was in response to the deaths of the four americans in benghazi, libya. they went out of their way to say the questioning would not revolve around the e-mails, would not revolve around miss abedin and outside employment she had while working for hillary clinton. she just took a quick break, went back into the room, seemed to be in good spirits, was smiling. as far as the republican members who are here, we know representative westmoreland is here, tray goey gowdy is not he. this centers about the operational moment and the executive branch's response to it, how can that go for four, five, six hours, however long this is going to go. so i think that's a fair and interesting point. >> mark and alex, one of the

questions that has been reported by the "new york times" is that fbi and other officials are not happy with president obama's comments on "60 minutes." let's play what the president said about this inquiry. >> do you agree with what president clinton has said and secretary clinton has said, that this is not that big a deal? do you agree with that? >> well, i'm not going to comment -- >> you think it's not that big a deal? >> what i think is that it is important for her to answer these questions to the satisfaction of the american public and they can make their own judgment. i can tell you that this is not a situation in which america's national security was endangered. >> that is the whole subject of the inquiry by the justice department, whether or not national security was compromised by her having a private server, which we know like government servers has been -- there have been attempted hacks including some from servers originating in russia and other places.

was that the president who is a lawyer, constitutional lawyer, getting way out ahead of himself or was he trying to signal -- >> i think the reason the fbi officers are so upset with this is they now think how can an obama justice department bring a criminal charge if one is warranted against hillary clinton when the president of the united states has declared he doesn't think this was a threat to national security? and it's actually not the first time this has happened. if you recall, he made some similar comments when general petraeus shared his diary with his biographer, suggesting again it wasn't a huge threat to national security and in fact, there had been a recommendation by the fbi that a felony charge be brought against general petraeus. in tehe end that didn't happen. >> that was overruled by the attorney general, very close friend of the president of the united states. >> that's why there's real frustration at the fbi that the president not only got out ahead of the investigation but maybe foreclosed a certain legal

course that might have happened otherwise. >> and that still potentially could happen. alex, this is the big issue overhanging her campaign, how she performs next week. aides have told me and said to others the benghazi hearing is a bigger test, performance test for her than the debate even. >> yeah. absolutely. just to pull back, since march when we first learned about these e-mails, we have been waiting, even before that, waiting for when hillary clinton would go before the benghazi committee. we knew it would come eventually. this has been the date they have marked on their calendar for months as when they hopefully can put this issue behind them. it has been a cancer on the campaign, it hurt her poll numbers, damaged her credibility with the american people and led to questions like will joe biden jump in, it's led bernie sanders to have a surprisingly strong challenge to her. with all of these things that have now happened leading up to thursday, with mccarthy, with richard hanna, with this whistle

blower on the committee, they are going in feeling much more confident, much stronger than anyone thought they would have, and it's already for this event that has been as you said so important and so critical for them to try to put this issue behind them. >> alex, my partner on the road these days, and mark, great to see you. luke, i know you will be there with all the developments from the benghazi committee. thank you so much. we are watching developing news, terrible news from california. 40 miles of the i-5 has been closed after heavy rains caused mudslides north of los angeles. emergency crews have been working overtime trying to clear the highways. nbc's miguel almigair is there for us. >> reporter: this is elizabeth lake road. yesterday it was a literal lake. take a look at these debris piles. in some areas they're up to six feet high in this community. the rain was pounding down at about six inches an hour. there was so much water rushing through the streets, this is a major street. it actually was able to lift

cars and push it off the side of the road. we are told the woman that was in this car was hit by pounding hail, pulled off to the road, then her car was covered in at least a couple inches of mud. we are told the mud line was actually much higher. it's come down quite a bit. this area was really rocked in a matter of hours. as i mentioned, six inches of rain here. but the mud and debris is really all across this community. over on interstate 5, a major thoroughfare in southern california, hundreds of cars were stuck in rising mud waters. they had to shut down that interstate. as a matter of fact, in communities like this today, they are going door-to-door to make sure anyone who is trapped can get out of their home. we are also expecting heavier rain later on this afternoon. so you see all of this mud, all of this debris here still in the middle of the road. well, they will have another round of wet weather potentially more problems. andrea, back to you. up next, the burn rate. hillary clinton raising a lot of money but her campaign is also spending a lot of money. chuck todd joins me to break it

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hillary clinton is holding a town hall this hour in new hampshire, hoping to get some momentum from tuesday's debate to keep going, to help catch up to bernie sanders, who is ahead in new hampshire. of course, next door to his home state of vermont. our new nbc news survey monkey online poll shows a majority of democrats think clinton was the clear winner tuesday night and her support is growing while vice president joe biden's numbers have slipped some, slipped five points since september in this online survey. on the republican side, it is a familiar picture. donald trump and ben carson, separating themselves from the field holding a majority of support from republican voters. chuck todd is nbc news political director, moderator of "meet the

press." host of msnbc's "mtp daily." when did you last see your family? >> i briefly saw my wife this morning. i said hi. we wave to each other. >> i know it's an online survey, but it gives you a good -- >> snapshot of where we are. look, i think with this debate, what the poll shows is what it appeared the debate did which is sort of resolidify clinton as the front-runner. bernie sanders did nothing to hurt himself, right? the only person that might have taken a step back was the person not onstage. we all thought that and this is a case where what happened on the debate stage seemed to match public opinion. that doesn't happen in the republican primaries. if we have noticed, what we see on the debate stage doesn't always match the voter reaction into the post debate poll, but we are seeing that a little more here. now, part of it is it's a smaller field.

you kind of know of the five onstage there's really just two that are in. so -- but i think, you know, let's not assume that clinton has run away with this thing yet. she's not out of the woods with sanders. sanders has done nothing to hurt himself. i don't know if he's done anything to expand his voter support. >> that's what i was going to ask. if you look at the internals, what we are seeing in survey monkey and again, it is online, not as scientific as the nbc news/"wall street journal" journal polling. that said, what we see is what we see anecdotally from the campaign. huge support among young people, he's great on college campuses and -- >> he does well frankly with the wealthy, high socioeconomic white democrats. >> but he doesn't have support from african-americans which is a key part of the democratic base. nor hispanics. >> nor working class democrats. >> you see that divide and he didn't really expand that base. >> no, he didn't. i think some of that was i think

those folks are looking for plausible president in some ways. i think it's less -- i think some of these voters he's attracted to, he's winning the issues primary. but there is a look and feel that voters also look for. are you a plausible president. particularly the first 30 minutes of the debate, i'm sorry, it didn't look like he prepared for the foreign policy portion of the debate. didn't feel like he prepared, what he knew on wall street, boy, and on the economy he was, he knows that. he's been talking about this for four years. it was that first part of the debate where i think that he lost an opportunity to say can you picture me as the commander in chief. >> debate prep does matter. let's talk also about the money game. because these quarterly returns show she's raising money, hillary clinton, she's spending money. remember what happened in '08 when she ran out of money with the extended primary and had to borrow from herself. >> bernie sanders has not been spending that much money. he's not been on tv yet.

she has been. they are basically even in cash on hand, when you look at this, of ready dollars, ready to go, and you can't help but ask yourself okay, that part of this has got to scare them a little, particularly with iowa. look, we talked about the issue of hispanics and african-americans. we know iowa and new hampshire are all, you know, it's a place sanders can overperform. she can't afford to lose both states. he's got enough resources to really put together a really formidable organization in iowa and if i'm the clinton campaign in brooklyn, i am scared at losing both, you know. that's tough. >> to that, i just got off the phone with a key long-time biden supporter. you've got ted kaufmann, former aide appointed senator in delaware, when he became vice president. sending out this letter which is basically saying don't run away yet, it's not over despite the debate, and so i talked to this long-time supporter who said you know, not only is it not over,

the door is wide open. i said what do you mean, it's wide open? and this person said look, what ted kaufmann is telling all of us is don't run away because why would you, if you were the vice president, want to spend millions of dollars in the iowa and new hampshire when you know bernie sanders is likely going to win both of those, then you head south to south carolina, where joe biden has a base. >> well, and there's something else to the ted kaufmann letter, okay? there's sort of two sets of biden advisors. there are the people that he has surrounded himself with recently that do want to help him put together the campaign. then there are the people that have been with him through thick and thin. kaufmann is a thick and thin guy. it is no accident to me that that letter went out. i can tell you this. i have talked to another source about this. the vice president is frankly frustrated that everybody's trying to tell him you have to decide today, have you to decide today. >> he doesn't want the deadline. >> he is so frustrated, i'm told, about this pressure he's getting that somehow if he

doesn't decide today, in his mind, he could have decided two weeks ago to get in and the hurdle was still pretty high for him to win this nomination and he can wait two weeks from now to decide to get in and the hurdle is still going to be high. he is tired of the pressure and that letter was a way to say i want more time and space. leave me, you know, stop this. >> we shall. >> okay. we are not. we are the press. this is what we do. we harass. >> chuck todd. coming up on sunday, we will be watching you tonight on "mtp daily" and sunday on "meet the press". up next, tense times in israel. what the violence means for the peace process. what peace process? america's role in the region. your credit is in pretty good shape. chuck, i know i have a 798 fico score, thanks to experian.com. kaboom... get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com. become a member of experian credit tracker and take charge of your score. hp instant ink saves you up to 50% on ink ♪

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yet to do anything on this issue. overnight hundreds of palestinians entered the jewish holy site containing joseph's tomb setting it abliz. today, israel says one of its soldiers was stabbed by a palestinian disguised as a news reporter. i spoke to israel's ambassador to the united states who defended his country's use of force. what about the possibility of excessive force? >> if someone was coming at you with a knife, would you want the police officer to take out a knife and to try to stop him or would you want that police officer to shoot that person before he would attack you? >> not shoot to kill. >> absolutely. because knives kill. it's not just guns that kill. knives kill and knives have killed. we have eight dead israelis who were killed not with guns. they were killed with knives. >> you are losing the war on social media because these videos sometimes taken out of context, i'll grant you, are going viral throughout the world. you are potentially inciting more violence because of these incidents and the way they are

being perceived. >> we are losing the war of lies. we are winning the war of truth. >> joining me now from jerusalem, msnbc's eamon mojadin and former tel aviv bureau chief martin fletcher, author of "the war reporter." eamon, you witnessed the shooting of the palestinian youth who was holding a knife the other day and you have seen the violence that has erupted last week before and since. what is the state of play now? this very alarming incident involving a palestinian allegedly dressed as a camera person in the news media puts everyone in jeopardy as well. >> reporter: absolutely. there were several incidents today, most notably that particular incident took place in a city where a palestinian attacker attacked an israeli soldier. he was wearing a press label on his shirt and a yellow fluorescent jacket sometimes

worn by journalists in conflict zones. he was shot and killed instantly after stabbing an israeli soldier. you mentioned the incident that took place involving the tomb, a jewish holy site there. palestinians accused of setting it on fire. the palestinian authority says they are launching an immediate investigation to determine who did that and why they did that. the president has also ordered the tomb to be rebuilt immediately saying it did not go along with palestinian culture and tradition. also, some scenes of flashpoint clashes that took place in bethlehem. israeli soldiers and palestinian throwers were involved in those clashes. also, a palestinian was killed in demonstrations along the gaza border with israel. obviously there are no israeli soldiers inside gaza. most of their presence is in and around the perimeter of the gaza strip. today, hundreds of palestinians marched towards the gaza border with israel and exchanged stones

and clashes erupted between the israeli soldiers there leading to the death of at least one palestinian. >> at a time when there is less american influence in attempting to resolve this, the potential of a john kerry trip to the region next week has been reported. martin fletcher, author of "the war reporter," you have seen it all, you have experienced it all. i want to ask you about the book. i think it's your third novel. how much of yourself is in this book? >> i guess quite a lot. obviously i'm writing the book from a position of knowledge. i have been a foreign correspondent reporting on wars for about three decades. what i wanted to do was write a really authentic novel about what it's like to be a war reporter and all this happens to you along the way. so my main character gets terrible post-traumatic stress and the book then continues about how he deals with that. it's a love story, a thriller, so you know, a lot of my experience is in the book.

the love story i don't believe is part of my own story but certainly i've got plenty of friends who suffered from post-traumatic stress and so i spoke to them and a lot of my knowledge is in this book. >> and brilliantly written and compelling, as all of your novels and books have been. and all your reporting has been. from your experience, have you ever seen gridlock quite to the extent that it is now, where there is no engagement between the two sides and no american intermediary? >> i think that's biased on frustration on everybody's side. the palestinians frustrated with the fact they're not getting anywhere as far as throwing back the jewish settlers' occupation. israelis are frustrated because netanyahu keeps saying we want to talk peace. the palestinian president won't meet with me. how true this is or not, we don't really know. bottom line is that israel keeps saying we want to talk to the palestinians and they won't talk to us. the americans frustrated, the

whole world is frustrated because everybody is looking at this repetition of violence that surges every few years. is this a third -- the bottom line is there is tremendous frustration among the palestinians. inevitably it surges up for whatever reasons there are, whatever spots there are and this will continue indefinitely, i think. i think frustration at the moment on everybody's side is the thing. there is no real movement towards a peace process. there is only a growth of frustration among the palestinians and a growth of israeli frustration with the world because israel believes it's doing its best to control this surge of violence in as fair a which as possible and as you mentioned earlier, this is on social media. israel is losing the perception war in social media, even though it is trying to keep the number of casualties down. that is always the case. israel's story is very hard to

tell, whereas the palestinian story is much easier to tell. >> martin fletcher, who knows a lot about telling a good story. the book is "the war reporter." thank you so much. great to see you again. aymon, stay safe over there. the waiting game. joe biden holding his thoughts close to his vest as his supporters are hinting about a decision coming soon. will it and will he run? the latest reporting coming up. when this busy family... ...got a cracked windshield... ...their dad went to the new safelite-dot-com... ...and scheduled a replacement... ...in just a few clicks. with safelite you don't have to miss a thing. y'all did wonderful! thank you. (girls sing) safelite repair, safelite replace. you odors in your bathrooming you think it smells fine, but your guests smell this... febreze air effects heavy duty has up to two times the odor-eliminating power to remove bathroom odors you've gone noseblind to use febreze air effects till it's fresh. and try febreze small spaces...

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have you made your decision yet? >> i can't hear you. >> reporter: have you made your decision yet? do democrats deserve your decision, mr. vice president? >> the ubiquitous kristen welker joins me for our daily fix along with chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" fix blog and editorial columnist, ruth marcus. clearly the vice president uncomfortable about this very public display and as chuck todd and i were just discussing, ted kaufmann's letter was basically a plea, give him time, give him space, because he don't want to be pressured this way publicly. >> reporter: that's right. he doesn't want to be pressured publicly. we know he is in the final stages of making this decision but i am being told by sources close to the vice president that

he wants to make sure he gets this decision right so he is reaching out to top organizers in the early voting states to try to really get a sense if there is a clear path to victory for him. of course, we have all been talking about this strong debate performance that secretary clinton had earlier this week. i'm being told of course that is among the factors but there are so many factors that are going into his decision-making progress including the very personal one, of course, the recent loss of his son beau. but i am being told he is aware of the fact he needs to make this decision soon. we will probably not get an announcement today but i am told he really wants to try to have this nailed down within the next several days. >> ruth, this letter from ted kaufmann, his former aide, appointed to take his seat in the senate temporarily at least, this letter said in part i am confident that the vice president is aware of the practical demands of making a final decision soon. if he decides to run, we will need each and every one of you yesterday. i just talked today with one of

the vice president's closest long-time supporters who said that to him, that ted kaufmann letter is a signal the door is not shu. >> the door is not shut but the time for either opening or closing the door is getting shorter. because let's be clear. this is not this kind of hamlet on the potomac i heard somebody saying earlier. >> i did say that. >> we are having flashbacks to mario cuomo and the plane on the runway. it's not making the vice president look very good. people have i think had a lot of patience. they understand this is a big decision, major decision, at a difficult time in his life but i think that patience is wearing thin and he would be well advised to do this before the benghazi hearings because if he waits until after, he's going -- either his path is going to look more closed if she does terrifically or he's going to look vulture-like if she does poorly. >> there was also bar bara boxe

saying enough already to her supporters, chris cillizza. >> i think you reach sort of a saturation point and then the scales tip and it's sort of like what's he waiting for. i think joe biden has a pretty good sense of that. i cannot imagine another week going by because at this point i feel like every two seconds on twitter, i read aides on background suggest joe biden inching toward race or biden nearing decision. at some point soon, i think we will have to get a decision. both logistically speaking, i think he has to get into this race, raise money, do all those things and because people's patience is wearing thin. >> chris, ruth, kristen, thank you all. up next, calls for justice. a young man is dead after a confrontation with police. what happened there. what was caught on camera. hey i'm here on the red carpet where our next arrival is... whoa! toenail fungus!? fight it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine

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. this developing story out of michigan today. a family of an unarmed teen who was fat ally shot by a police officer last february filed a lu suit alleging wrongful death and violation of civil rights. chief legal correspondent ari melber joins me with more from new york. >> that's right. this is a brieaking story largey because the video we are showing from the officer's body camera shows a lot, by no means all of the interaction. the family alleging this young man was 17 years old, was on what started out as a routine traffic stop that escalated very quickly, resulting in his shooting death. what you are seeing now is a little video, part of the controversial section. i'm now going to throw so everyone can see with their own eyes, to the key part of the video. let's take a look. >> license, registration, proof of insurance, please. >> i don't even know you're an officer. can i see your badge number? >> you cannot see my badge

number. >> i'm recording. >> get out of the car. get out of the car. i'm telling you right now. hands behind your back. >> ow! [ screaming ] >> that is the video obviously difficult but also important to see. i can tell you what the family is saying quote, since the moment we viewed the body camera footage, they say their confusion has been acute, difficult, they talk about what is done at the hands of frost, the officer, and the whole justice system. we had great respect for law enforcement, they say, and the men and women who chose that profession but say our belief has been shaken to the core by the actions of frost and refusal of the eaton county prosecutor to hold frost accountable. what they are referring to there is the fact that the michigan state police conducted an

independent inquiry of all this, handed their findings over to the prosecutor who found that the officer acted reasonably and lawfully and thus, did not bring charges. why? well, essentially more than what we can see that video. according to that investigation, as well as according to what police have said about this, they say the 17-year-old there, deven guilford, after that interaction that is caught on camera, they say that he then injured and attacked the officer. there is photographic evidence of that. so this is a difficult case on both sides. the federal suit will commence and we will have further information from discovery in the coming weeks. >> ari melber, chief legal correspondent, thank you very much. up next, insult to injury. doctors without borders says a u.s. tank pushed into what is left of their hospital in kunduz. the u.s. is disputing it. we will talk to the u.s. director of doctors without borders coming up next. good. very good. you see something moving off the shelves

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we are monitoring a scaffolding collapse in downtown houston right now. a spokesman for the houston fire department says at least four workers are still trapped underneath the scaffolding. it happened at a luxury condo development. there is no word about their conditions at this time. of course, we will keep you updated on the situation. now two weeks after the u.s. shelled a hospital in kunduz, afghanistan, killing at least 22 people, that attack, the defense sources acknowledge to jim miklaszewski yesterday could have been a war crime, doctors without borders says a u.s. tank forced its way through a closed gate on to the site of the hospital compound. the group says this could have destroyed potential evidence in the investigation of the bombing. u.s. military officials say the u.s. doesn't have tanks in the area, speculating it could have been a german armed personnel carrier attached to nato. the pentagon's credibility, though, is already under fire for a series of misstatements following that attack. i'm joined by jason cohen, u.s. executive director of doctors

without borders. thank you very much. we haven't talked in person. i just wanted to extend my condolences for all the losses there. tell me about this latest incident. apparently doctors without borders think this could have been part of the team investigating the tragedy of two weeks ago? >> yes. thank you for your condolences. i think this is the latest example of what we have seen at a number of examples where the credibility of the investigation is going to really be called into question, i think. we have had changing stories over the past two weeks, unnamed sources releasing information that's really questionable. despite an agreement that we had with the u.s. nato and afghan joint investigative team that they would give us prior notice before trying to interview any of our staff our enter any of our facilities, they did use some sort of armored vehicle to breach the gate of our hospital compound and enter it. i think it's a real questionable tactic given all the discussions and our willingness to cooperate

with them, just with some prior notice before some of these actions actually take place. >> let's go back to the fact that jim miklaszewski was reporting yesterday there was communication that has been track recorded or there is a transcript apparently somewhere of communication between the crew in the ac-130 and the ground and there may have been some members of the crew saying are you sure you want us to hit this. would that be legal, some paraphrase. i don't have the exact words because we have not been given access to the exact words. what are you hearing and could this be critical evidence? >> well, we only know, we are not investigators. we are doctors and aid workers working in the field. all we know is that it was the first quiet night in about a week where our hospital had been treating nearly 400 wounded during the fighting in kunduz. it's a hospital that existed for four years, was one of the most visible and well-known structures in the city. it was also, we had communicated

repeatedly, the gps coordinates of our facility. then it was repeatedly struck over -- at least five times over the course of an hour despite our calls to various defense officials in washington and kabul. the bombing continued. that's what we know. we are not investigators. that's why we made a public call for president obama to consent to an independent, impartial investigation by the international humanitarian fact-finding commission. it's a body set up to investigate breaches of humanitarian law and the geneva conventions. they are best placed to conduct this investigation. we have not received any official response from the administration as to whether or not they are willing to consent. that's why we launched a petition online that received over 60,000 signatures in the last 24 hours calling for president obama to consent to the investigation. we think it's incredibly important for the credibility of the u.s. government and u.s. military to be willing to be scrutinized by an independent body as to whether or not their teams adhered to the basic principles of the laws of war that have existed much longer

than my organization has been around. >> ideally, what evidence do you want to see? >> we just want to substantiate the facts of what happened. we only know what our team on the ground saw and what they experienced which was repeated bombing of the hospital. their efforts to treat the wounded, to evacuate the injured in spite of that and the loss of our 22 patients and staff as well as the injury of at least three dozen more people. we think it's really important. this is not a criminal inquiry we are asking for. it's really an inquiry to substantiate the facts of what happened. we think that none of the three parties that are part of this joint investigation team can claim to be impartial and the outcomes of the investigation so therefore, we think it needs to be done independently from them. >> can you verify that there were calls to defense officials in real time? are you willing to provide those names and those facts? >> we are willing to provide those names and those facts i think to the investigators, particularly, in particular the international humanitarian fact-finding commission, if they are allowed to do their work.

we certainly provided on september 29th and again on the 30th to various contacts what the gps coordinates was and on the evening of friday, u.s. time, we did call once we had heard the bombing had started, which lasted as i said over an hour, and mid repoeated calls t try and get the bombing stopped through contacts we had very high up in the u.s. military. >> how are the survivors doing? >> many are still recovering from their injuries, obviously. some had major traumatic injuries. they are under the care of another organization in kabul and other hospitals so we are not directly responsible for their care at this time. i can tell you they certainly have a long haul to recover from the injuries of this devastating attack. >> thank you again. thanks for being with us. we will stay on this story. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" and for a very busy week. follow the show online on facebook and on twitter.

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questions from reporters. north korea, afghanistan, maybe even bill cosby. we have seen it all in the past. nothing is off the table. we will have that live as well. good to have you with me. i'm thomas roberts. we begin this hour of developing news, where nbc news has obtained dramatic video of an unarmed teen shot and killed by a police officer during a traffic stop in michigan. the boy's parents now suing the officer and the county. 17-year-old deven guilford had just left a church basketball game when he passed a police car that he said had its high beams on. guilford flashed his brights back and was pulled over. what happened next was caught on the officer's body camera. >> you do not have your driver's license on your person, correct? >> yes, i do. >> where is it? >> you do not have to see it. >> i do have to see it. >> why do you have to see it? you had your brights. i could not see. i was going to crash. >> the tape appears to show some kind of scuffle. deven guilford lays down on the ground but