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but first, we begin with an incredible week in politics. what happened in vegas obviously didn't stay in vegas. hillary clinton emerging as the apparent winner of the first democratic debate. that's what our own nbc news online survey shows. and a boston globe poll released yesterday has clinton in a dead heat with bernie sanders in new hampshire, right there on the doorstep of vermont. there are also brand-new fund-raising reports for the third quarter of the year. hillary clinton raking in nearly $13 million. ben carson totalling $21 million. leading the money race in their parties. and this big week in politics isn't over yet because we're anticipating a decision from joe biden any day now after months of speculation about a possible run. the vice president reportedly called his organizers in early voting states this week. but he's still deflecting questions on that subject. >> are you running for

president? have you made your decision yet? >> i can't hear you. >> have you made your decision yet? do democrats deserve your decision, mr. vice president? >> i'll tell you what, good to see you all. >> for the latest on all that, we have nbc white house correspondent kristen welker, who wouldn't take a deflection or korean answer live from the white house. kristen. >> hey, richard. he wouldn't answer my questions on that day, but we could get an answer within the next 48 hours. sources close to the vice president tell me he's under intense pressure to say whether he's in or out. and those same sources also say his family is on board with ean he's calling supporters in early voting state to see if he has a path to victory. ted kaufman sent a letter to

former biden staffers which reads in part, quote, if he decides to run, we will neat each and every one of you yesterday. now, a lot of people are reading a lot into that letter, but the reality, richard, is it was designed to send a signal that bi the door hasn't closed yet. they're arguing it is just too late. as you have been mapping out, clinton showing new signs of strength this week after that dominant debate performance, one poll showing her inching up in new hampshire, and our latest survey shows her with a commanding lead nationally. president obama, hillary clinton were both asked about this on friday. they weighed in. and essentially said biden should have space to decide, but at the white house, i can tell you they believe it is really time for him to make a decision. some of the reasons he's strug ling with so much, he's always wanted to be president, he knows this would be his last shot, plus, you'll recall his late son beau urged him to run before passing away. but those who know him say the

determination factor right now is whether he thinks he can win. richard. >> kristen, thank you for that, and for shouting out the questions, keep doing that, please. >> thank you. >> also joining us now is our panel, nbc contributor and college professor jason johnson, washington bureau chief for the chicago sun times lynn sweet and republican pollster carrie ann conway. good morning to you all. okay, joe biden, had more than enough time to make his decision. lynn, is there still a window for him to get in at this point and when does it close? >> i think the real close is october 29th when georgia has the first filing deadline. he missed democratic debate. that's not real in terms of getting on a ballot. many states now are forming their delegates, which is how you get nominated.

there is a mark for super delegates. i think we'll give him until the 29th because you don't want to start running in 49 states when there are 50 of them. >> jason, as the dynamic too late for him no matter his decision? has the train left the station? we saw this compelling debate. there is more than enough firepower on the state. i'm not talking about some of the lesser candidates, but the debate between bernie sanders and hillary clinton was robust. >> right. >> what is his room here in the democratic party? >> i think there is always room for him ideologically. i think joe biden can come in and find a space between bernie sanders. he would make a similar argument to hillary clinton, i'm not a socialist, not quite as hawkish as hillary clinton. comes off as much more agreeable, much more empathetic. there is space for him policiwise. i just don't think he wants to do it. i don't think he's interested in running for president at this point. i think he's still in mourning, which is perfectly reasonable. i think when he missed that first debate, you know, he didn't surprise, you know, pop in on a parachute and say hey, i'm here, i think this was a

clear sign, this is not something i'm going to do. >> you've run campaigns. what does it do in terms of the staffing you need to get together, we may have time in terms of the dates, but you got to recruit people, got fire people up. surely the best people are already taken. >> not -- there is never too many people taken. there is always somebody else in d.c. who will work for you. he would have to start poaching people from hillary, start poaching people on the ground from bernie sanders and that's hard than recruiting because he has to put together a team of people who might already be committed and that's a bigger problem. >> kelly ann, the numbers we saw this week, we had two good sets of numbers here. the polling numbers, straight out of the debate, but also some fund-raising numbers. i wonder if we can pull some of these up here. there is some interest here, numbers on the republican side, and on the democratic side. here is the democratic numbers. hillary clinton raising $29 million, bernie sanders, that's a huge hole. you look at the number of

dollars on hand, hillary has a large spend here, but this shows that the anti-establishment, insurgent candidates have staying power, right? >> well, they do. and they do because small donors are actually feeling very bold this time. they're putting their money where their hearts are. that's also true in the republican side. you see the small donors supporting carson, cruise, trump who said i'm not going to raise money has been raising money because people say, wow, i'll buy a hat and give you a $50 contribution. even though we're in the era of the super pacs and big money politics, it is fascinating, richard, how powerful the small donors are collectively. folks showing up 20,000 strong to bernie sanders rally, going home and pointing and clicking 50 bucks, 100 bucks. >> let's bring up the republican numbers again which we just showed. the number that leaps out to me is ted cruz's numbers here. carson, yes, he's out there with $20 million. cruz is raising huge amount of money, almost as much money as jeb bush. but look at the amount of money ted cruz has got on hand,

because he is hoarding that cash again, staying power for people who might not be, you know, considered by the pundits to be the leading candidates, but there is real resources that could carry ted cruz through. >> he's seen as the outsider with insider experience. it is one thing to be an outsider. he's the anti-establishment, anti-washington guy for the same reason that washington loetathe him is why the grassroots loves him. the figures are hard, in addition to that, some will have super pacs and some won't. rick perry and scott walker were pushed out of the race because of the lack of hard money, the figures you showed. they left millions of dollars in super pac but you can't use super pac funds to do things like pay your staff, official campaign staff, fly around, get to events, get back to the state capital for each of them as it were. so that's -- the cruz burn rate

is 51%. >> when you showed that chart with the number, bernie sanders' spending was almost half of what hillary clinton's was. >> which is why he probably appreciates and expects, right, lynn? >> his one big thing, you get small donors, you're not spending a lot of money on fund-raising. >> back to kristen welker at the white house, talking about joe biden. kristen, the nbc news survey monkey poll here showed joe biden at 10%. 21 points behind bernie sanders, 35 points behind hillary clinton. if you talked -- if any of the biden folks at the white house are talking to you about this, is there any concern that this is a lot of ground to make up here. >> the tone among biden supporters has shifted a bit, richard. there is acknowledgement that the window is closing, that the path has gotten a lot tougher this week because of secretary

clinton's debate performance, because of the poll numbers. and because of the fund-raising that you all are talking about. so there is no doubt about that. but those who remain hopeful he will ultimately decide to get in say, look, for vice president biden, this is a decision that is about what is in his heart and in his head. and that it is a very personal one, that he's going to sit down and make with his family and that ultimately he's not focused on these numbers that we are so focused on. but it is hard to imagine that he's not looking at the reality of the situation as well and acknowledging that the uphill battle he was already facing just got a lot steeper. >> i just want to say thank you to kristen at the white house for that. that's great. can joe biden be an outsider running at an -- when people love outsiders when he's running from the white house? >> no, because he's the vice president of the united states. i think for the same reason, richard, i would not dismiss his chances so readily. even donald trump's theory of the case a year ago was, well,

i'm down in the polls, republicans are a majority negative toward me because i'm not yet a candidate. when you become a candidate, they make the decision. that's obviously paid off for him. his theory of the case. this man is the vice president of the united states. that's no small day job. i think joe biden, to get back to something jason said that i completely agree with, ideologically joe biden has a big space to fill because it is unclear to me who in democratic field is currently running for the third term of obama/biden. i assume biden would run for the third term of obama/biden. he has more foreign policy experience than anyone on the democratic side. i wouldn't let one debate performance dissuade me. the other metrics are varied, monumental. but he's the vice president and seems to have at least if not official endorsement, the backing of the president. >> we'll come back to this. stay with us. still ahead, the most hotly contested race in the republican party right now. not the race for the president, the race for speaker of the house. why are they having such a hard time filling the third most powerful job in the country?

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this week's democratic debate was just the first high stakes showdown for hillary clinton. in five days, she'll face far more hostile questions when she testifies before the house select committee on benghazi. the former secretary of state follows her top personal aid huma abedin who took questions at a closed door session of the committee yesterday. >> i came here today to be as helpful as i could be to the committee. i wanted to honor the service of those lost and injured in the benghazi attacks. >> clinton was asked yesterday what she expects from her next

face-off with congressional republicans. >> other committees of the congress, standing committees with very experienced members and staff, have all looked into this and basically just rejected the conspiracy theories that are still floating out there in some circles. i really don't know. i will do my best to answer their questions. but i don't really know what their objective is right now. >> yet another house republican acknowledged this week the benghazi committee was formed to target clinton. on wednesday, new york congressman richard hanna affirmed remarks congressman kevin mccarthy made to that effect last month. >> sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in d.c. is to tell the truth, you know, and i, this may not be politically correct, but i think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, hillary

clinton. you'd like to expect more from a committee that spent millions of dollars and tons of time. >> trey gowdy, head of the select committee pushed back hard, saying hannah is not familiar with the work of the committee. hannah wasn't the only person to land in benghazi related controversy this week. president obama had this to say about clinton's personal e-mail server on sunday. >> do you think it is not that big a deal? >> what i think is that it is important for her to answer these questions to the satisfaction of the american public, and they can make their own judgment, i can tell you that this is not a situation in which america's national security was endangered. >> the new york times reports that those statements angered fbi agents who are still working to determine whether clinton's e-mail put national secrets at risk. carrie ann, we are in the position where a number of republicans have said that this committee was out there to get

hillary clinton. >> that number is two. neither of who is on the committee. one who will never be speaker now. >> it is becoming hard, though, to avoid the politics of this committee and the political intent. >> which is a shame. actually all of it being politicized is a shame, meaning if it is cast within the 2016 elections, that's unfortunate. i agree with president obama here. i assume when the president said to steve croft on "60 minutes," i think it is important for her, meaning secretary clinton, to answer the questions, he didn't mean on the debate stage, where you know, the accolades in the audience are whooping and hollering when she says they're going after me and bernie sanders agrees. i believe the president means under oath in front of the committee. that's the proper place for it. even in the case of huma abedin who testified before congress, she said she tried to be helpful, i doubt that they were asking her questions and her just saying i don't know, i don't know. there are e-mails that have been

made public where she is forwarding e-mails or discussing briefly libya and benghazi related matters. this has nothing to do with -- >> is this a benghazi committee or -- >> in my mind's eye, they should have had separate investigations because you can't complete the two. if they're trying to say we in the benghazi committee have discovered this illegal personal server in somebody's closet in denver, by the secretary of state, because that's weird, then -- and we think there are benghazi related e-mails, that's how it has become part of the investigation. i'm glad you mentioned about politics. it bothers me tremendously that anyone tries to politicize it, there are questions that need to be asked that the fbi is investigating. republicans didn't invent this. and if there is no there, we'll know that too. i think mrs. clinton will be far less glib and far less angry than she was when she first testified several januarys ago. >> i'm sure it is a serious moment for her. huffington post, our friends over there, have done an interesting observation here

about trey gowdy, gowdy attended fewer than ten of the committee's 53 interviews, which may not be unusual since he's chairing the committee. it is interesting what he has attended. he was there for clinton staff cheryl mills, jake sullivan, sid blumenth blumenthal, brian pagliano. he wasn't there for testimony of the cia deputy director. if trey gowdy isn't interested in benghazi but is interested in the clinton folks, what does that tell us? >> it erode his credibility as leader of the committee that what -- they should put it in a box, deal with it separate if that is -- if he wants to be the head of the benghazi committee, why don't we get benghazi done. we understand the committee found out about e-mails, so everybody knows in the country how this started. but it doesn't mean he has to be

the one to preside over this investigation. it is -- everybody knows it is what the longest running committee now. longer than whatever you name it, okay. so, richard, the point is if the republicans want a credible benghazi committee, they're hurting themselves by pursuing the e-mail, they could have another committee to do the e-mail. they're in control. they could do a senate hearing, super select. >> jason did the president make a mistake in saying what he said about the e-mails? you know, people have questions about the e-mails. the democrats do too. should the president have stayed out of this one? >> no, i think it is fine for the president to say this. let's be candid. this is a sham. it is a sham. if you want to talk about e-mails, that's legitimate. that could be a national security issue or at least extremely irresponsible on the part of the secretary of state. i don't care if she was getting scam e-mails from people trying to collect money. but that's entirely different from benghazi, which at its core is this conspiracy theory that obama and hillary clinton want

u.s. soldiers and troops to die. that is the core conspiracy theory behind this. that, i think, is separate from an fbi investigation as to whether or not our secretary of state was irresponsible. i think the president was perfectly reasonable talking about that. >> we do not have enough time to discuss two big issues which deserve two big committees. still ahead, how long will the war in afghanistan drag on. we are going to talk to a former u.s. ambassador to afghanistan who urged president obama to keep troops in the country. and next we'll go live to southern california for the latest on the cleanup from those devastating mudslides.

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live. good morning, jennifer. >> reporter: good morning, richard. this morning we see strike teams that have been here overnight, rolling out as fire department officials and urban search and rescue have pretty much completed their job doing welfare checks on the residents here in the area of lake hughes. the good news is many of those roads have reopened, including interstate 5, which connects southern and northern california. what happened on thursday is so many of those cars and big rigs that were headed either north or south decided to divert to highway 58 when the grapevine on interstate 5 became difficult with the weather. what they didn't know is they were heading right into just complete chaos on 58. we saw the aftermath of that, but to hear the stories of the people that were on that roadway when the mudslide happened, when the rain was pouring down, and just a wall of mud and water let loose upon them and enrobed

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as you're well aware, i do not support the idea of endless war. and i have repeatedly argued against marching into open ended military conflicts that do not serve our core security interests. yet given what is at stake in afghanistan, and the opportunity for a stable and committed ally that can partner with us in preventing the emergence of future threats and the fact that we have an international coalition, i am firmly convinced that we should make this extra effort. >> so that was president obama announcing thursday that 5500 american troops will remain in afghanistan when he leaves

office. america's longest winning war keeps on going. it is a major reversal for president obama who had repeatedly promised to bring our troops home. >> our friends have fought and bled and died alongside us in afghanistan. and now we must come together to end this war successfully. >> by the end of 2014, the afghans will be fully responsible for the security of their country. >> we will complete our mission there by the end of this year. and america's longest war will finally be over. >> well, the president officially ended the u.s. combat mission in afghanistan last year, nearly 10,000 american troops are still there today. and after this week's announcement, nearly 10,000 american troops will remain there through next year. leading republicans to applaud the decision to slow troop withdrawals but say troop levels could still be too low. >> i'm pleased the president has not worried about a campaign promise six years ago. could conditions change? i think he made the right decision to keep troops on the

ground but looks like it is political. cut it in half and off we go. >> i think what the president is doing now is enough to contain the damage at least until he leaves office. but i still don't see how a small number like this, whether it is 9,000 or 5,000, is going to be enough to defend. >> i'm glad he stopped the drawdown. it is not a sufficient number. >> joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to afghanistan james cunningham, now with the atlantic council. ambassador cunningham was the lead author on a new. >> reporter: out this week from a group of former officials urging president obama to keep troops in afghanistan. good morning. >> good morning, thank you for having me on. >> ambassador, the start of this war, i recall many warnings about afghanistan being a quagmire that empires enter and never leave. great powers tried to figure it out. isn't there a concern among your group of former officials that there is no exit route from

afghanistan? >> there is an exit route and we're on that route, actually. though it is not proceeding as rapidly and as quickly as one might have wished. but the essence of the argument that we made in that paper you referred to is that we have a strategy in afghanistan that is working, that the afghans have taken responsibility for security, but they need a little bit more help and a little bit more time to solidify the gains that have been made and give them the best chance for success. >> what gives you reason to think that things have changed in that regard about training afghan security forces. it is not a new thing, a new effort to train up the afghan military. you know, we spent 14 years of fighting, $65 billion. many thousands of lives lost there. american lives, not to mention afghan lives. is there a reason to believe that the afghan powers have -- are getting there, their act together here? >> yes, there is.

the program that we have been following in training and building up the afghan security forces has really only been in effect in its current form and iteration and focus for the last four or five years. it has worked. the afghans have been carrying out their own security operations now for quite some time. even before the end of the isaf mission at the end of 2014. they have been fighting and holding this year in a very difficult situation with the taliban pressing in, trying to break their will. they had some setbacks where they had setbacks, they regrouped and they reformed and they have come back. they haven't cracked and folded as happened in iraq. so there is reason to believe that this can succeed and that they will continue to get better as our security and train and advise and assist mission continues. >> you believe that afghanistan is still strategically important to america, given everything

else going on in the world. >> precisely because of everything else going on in the world that afghanistan remains strategically important. it is part of the phenomenon that we're dealing with to north africa. in afghanistan, we have a strategy that is producing results. we have a government, islamic government and partner that wants us to work with them and who wants to take on responsibility for their own security, and who wants to be a factor in contributing to stability in their part of the world. that's an important asset we shouldn't lose. >> want to bring in lynn sweet in the studio here. you covered president obama for a very long time. how difficult is it for him to reverse himself given how publicly he said he would be out of afghanistan? >> well, for an administration very concerned with its legacy as it is in its last year, plus, i think this is one of the promises that he just could not keep. people at the time were wondering what exactly his plan

was, knowing how fluid the situation is, richard, we were both there in the campaign. these promises about getting troops out of iraq, which he did do, and afghanistan, were cutting down engagement in afghanistan were centerpieces there. i think as we start looking at what will be the legacy items here, this will be one like the closing of guantanamo that never unfolded in the way he thought. >> ambassador, just before we wrap this up, i want to ask you one more question here. it is a point raised by the republican candidates. is 5,000 troops really enough? if afghanistan is strategically important, and this is pivotal to everything else going on in the world, is 5,000 really sufficient? >> there is a rational for the 5,000 troops, whether it is sufficient or not i think will become clearer sometime from now. more important thing than the number is the fact that the president's decision signals quite clearly that there will be a significant military engagement in support of afghanistan through this

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on nbc. you'll recall that nbc dropped coverage of trump's miss universe pageant because of comments he made about mexican immigrants. trump's snl appearance raises a lot of questions. first and foremost could the fcc's equal time law require the network to offer the same hosting duties to the other 2016 candidates? want to bring in my panel right now, kellyann. let's start with the question of equal time. former attorney at the fcc told the hollywood reporter that other republican candidates are going to have seven days after trump's appearance to have these equal opportunity demands on nbc stations. do you think anyone will take that up? >> i think a few will. a few underfunded and not high in the polls and they should do that. instead of complaining about it, it would be better to access the law. i made this recommendation to candidates directly and just generally, publicly, meaning, richard, over the years. the way i've done it is if a

media outlet, any media outlet is putting two or three republicans in a poll, versus say barack obama, president obama for his re-election, i would say, they're broadcasting it and they only asked three candidates and there are eight of you. that wasn't really in 2016, i said why didn't you ask for equal time. i think you could make an argument. does someone want to pay a lawyer and try to access it. the fact you can do that, maybe they'll be offered interview on an nbc station, maybe offered interviews open your network here on msnbc, cnbc, but instead of complaining about not getting enough coverage, here is my new plan, you're not covering it, okay, go ahead and take your shot. >> so, lynn, first, longer memories here, we should point out this comes from none other than joe lieberman who running for the democratic nomination in 2004 was supposedly angry that our very own al sharpton then not part of msnbc but a candidate, he hosted "saturday night live."

lieberman's campaign negotiated to have half hour of a town hall lieberman rerun on nbc. it has worked before. >> squeaky wheels get grease. that's one of the many fundamental rules of politics. maybe we'll need monday, tuesday, wednesday night live to get in all the republicans if they host. here is my point. we had a three-hour republican debate. and even in three hours, many of the candidates couldn't figure out a way to elbow their way in to say what had to be said. so they have some responsibility in this too, figure out how to talk. three hours. i know i'll get to whether trump is saying that's too much, of course because the spotlight is on him. the fact of the matter is, they could be some of these republicans could host saturday night live between now and every primary and it won't matter because they can't figure out how to communicate something in a way that is effective for

them. so in a way, it is moot, they can't maximize the media experiences they have. even in a debate when they had all the time in the world. >> nbc took the position against trump because of comments about mexican immigrants. is this an about face for the network? is "snl" somehow separate? >> i think if you consider "snl" to be a comedy show as opposed to political show, they had lots of offensive comments before. we can take off the politics hat for half a second. it would be an entertaining show, okay. i don't want to see bobby jindal host "snl" or rick santorum, most of the guys wouldn't be interesting, but people find donald trump to be interesting. i think this is as much for him being an entertainer and reality tv show star as someone run for president. >> hillary clinton was on "snl" a few weeks ago. i didn't see jim webb saying he needed to be on "snl" and thinking of jim webb, if you

complain about the rules too much as he did in that debate, don't you look like you're whining? >> you don't look very presidential. that's for sure. and i thought secretary clinton held her own on "snl." it is not a really comfortable place for her, but she did something that maybe mr. trump will do, which is that self-deprecating humor, the person who looks just like you and we all know "snl" has a donald trump figure because they basically cover him week in and week out. >> basically all of politics. self-deprecating humor. >> self-deprecating donald trump. that would be amazing. >> if that actually happens, i would be amazed. >> unthinkable. >> maybe he'll say make afghanistan great again. >> still ahead, one of the most wanted men in the world escaped authorities again this week. we have got those details for you coming up next. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet grew up in a family of boys... married my high school sweetheart... and pursued a degree in education. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer.

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there is a lot going on this morning. let's get caught up on the other headlines making today's news with the panel. okay, el chapo is wounded, but not caught as mexico's military

roars into tare fierrified vill. 12 villages on the rugged border lands, reports of hundreds of people fleeing their homes as this operation goes on. it is an incredible hunt. the escape, the hunt, can the authorities get him? we don't focus nearly enough on mexican news but this is fascinating. >> the fact they can't seem to do anything about el chapo, about so many other instances happening throughout the country is a huge -- it is not only a domestic problem, but this is an international problem. people don't want to invest in mexico because they seem so incapable of handling their drug problem. el chapo is the embodiment of that era over the last three administrations. >> kellyann, this is from buzzfeed. rand paul calls his own live stream on tuesday. he live steamed his entire day

campaigning. he did not appear to enjoy it, sharing this moment of honesty. the third -- this is a quote, the third most popular question from google, is rand paul still running for president? i don't know. i wouldn't be doing this dumb live streaming if i weren't. yes, i'm still running for president, get over it. wow. when you're desperate, i guess you do and say desperate things, right? >> he got free media when apparently you're spending more money than taking in. but this is a huge turn of events for senator paul who about a year plus ago was time magazine's most fascinating person, and top of the polls for a while. and i think that the brand of libertarianism that he has staked out really, a lot of those folks are limited government conservatives who would vote for a republican, not necessarily liberals who would vote for a democrat. and so they're finding other candidates and it is a crowd ed field. if you don't find market distinction, but that self-deprecation helps in a way. you have to look like you're

enjoying it. this is one of the pieces of magic of donald trump this year, sometimes people are -- sometimes i think secretary clinton falls into this, sometimes getting a radoot cana on the stump, and donald trump looks like he's having a great time. >> u.s. today says frosty snowy weekend weather forecast. north central, northeastern u.s. 74 million people will see temperatures drop to freezing or below freezing in the next several days and light snow is expected to fall near the great lakes. it is october for heaven's sake. >> the cubs are in the playoffs. >> everything is great. i don't know what the problem is, richard. >> it is cold. that's what the problem is. >> we're hardy people. >> hardy enough, hardy enough to maintain the pork spending out of washington. this one is a classic one coming from washington post. when i say pork spending, it really is pork.

after a firestorm, pork roast is back on the menu at federal prisons. there was some dispute about the removal of pork dish from the menu for federal inmates and another u-turn on thursday. pork roast, back on the bill, why? well, the republican is not leader expressed dismay at the wasteful survey of inmates, food preferences, lack of transparency and the decision and i suspect iowa had something to do with it. >> i'm just bemused we carry this much. in the context of the discussions about mass incarcerations, everything like that, members of congress can be obsessed with what is on the menu. >> wouldn't it be more interesting if they were engaged with how to rehabilitate people and reduce the number of inmates. >> right, rather than calorie count. >> there is a lot of talk of that now and it is bipartisan. >> it is one of the big -- >> coke brothers and -- >> biggest bipartisan issues. >> i want to see if we can squeeze in one more. usa today, first female army

reservist dons an army ranger tab, major lisa jasper. 37-year-old engineer with shell oil is the third woman in the army to have graduated from ranger school. if this is an impressive moment, impressive individually, for the country, don't we all feel good about this one. >> she has moxie. there is someone who looks like she's enjoying her job. we should be proud of her, gender aside, proud of her persistence and loyalty to the nation and honestly, the fact she got it done, it is cool. >> important role model to have these breakthroughs in the military. >> your sexuality and gender have nothing to do with how much you want to love and serve this country. this is a fantastic example. >> physical and mental ability. another full hour of new and politics is coming up. including the latest on this morning's violence in the middle east. please stay with us. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about.

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thanks for staying with us this saturday morning. i'm richard wolffe. violence in the middle east is escalating with new incidents! university this morning. in a moment, we'll look at what is behind the sudden uptick and where it might be headed. this period of time was supposed to be john boehner's swan song as speaker of the house. instead, it looks like he'll be forced to stick around for a while. we'll dive into the chaos that is delaying the speaker's retirement plans. plus, the future it seems is right now. that date far, far into the future, that marty mcfly traveled to and back to the future 2 is coming up this very week. a special guest from the film will be along in just a little bit. we'll begin this morning with new reports of violence today in israel and the west bank.

israeli police say officers shot and killed a palestinian teenager in jerusalem who tried to stab them and earlier this morning in the west bank city of hebron israel's military says an israeli civilian shot and wounded a palestinian who also tried to stab him. also in hebron, police say a palestinian woman was shot and killed as she tried to stab a police officer. in new york, on friday, the u.n. security council convened an emergency meeting, senior u.n. official telling the council that diminishing prospects for achieving a palestinian state have transformed long simmering palestinian anger into outright rage. i think that the current crisis cannot be resolved by security measures alone. and nbc's bill neely is in jerusalem for us this morning. bill, what can you tell us about these latest incidents? >> good morning, richard. no sign of the violence letting up. three more attempted murders, stabbings this morning, three

more palestinians dead. here in jerusalem, it began when a 16-year-old was stopped on the street by police. he was asked to produce his i.d. card, he did but he also produced a knife and tried to stab one of the soldiers and was then shot dead. in hebron then, about 20 miles from here, two more incidents. in first one, another teenager, 18, tried to stab an israeli civilian on the street. that civilian had a gun and he shot dead his assailant. then a young palestinian woman stabbed a policewoman at a checkpoint, she had a gun and she killed her assailant. so three more dead palestinians today, three more incidents and, you know, the videos and stills of these incidents are often going viral. there was one earlier this week where a palestinian dressed as a news photographer stabbed an israeli soldier. pretty graphic images, and the soldier was likely injured in

some of his colleagues shot dead. the palestinian man. not only happening on the ground, but then being repeated in the, if you like, the echo chamber of social media. this jerusalem is a very tense city today with checkpoints, we just have been at one this morning. huge concrete blocks placed by israeli soldiers, this is a very tense and fearful city. >> thank you, bill, for tracking a complicated and fast moving story there. want to bring in the panel here. lynn, there is always an expectation that america can intervene somehow. american diplomacy, presidential leadership, but this sounds like a situation that actually the authorities on the ground, israelis and mens, are not actually in control of. >> it is difficult. senator mcconnell and other senators just wrapped up a trip to israel and other countries in the region. this is coming as israeli president netanyahu is coming back to the united states to meet with president obama november 9th. but in essence, it is -- has

been and probably will be a local problem, netanyahu said he wanted to meet with palestinian authority leader abbas. these meetings have taken place in the past. sometimes you get cease-fires and sometimes you don't. this is yet another serious issue and as you noted, these intefadehs have happened periodically for years. >> kellyann, do you expect this to become a political football in the presidential campaign if this continues? >> it is already a major point of public policy, particularly to republicans who often repeat that israel is our best friend. it certainly is in that region if not around the world. and they're very firm about that, intefadeh, no intefadeh. they believe if north korea is looking to get nuclear capabilities or iran for that matte matter, they always mention israel in the cross hairs as well. i think this particular level of violence is concerning and i would hope that democrats and republicans address it and address it through their foreign policy national security

revisions outside of the debate stage, don't wait until we're going to debate today, i'll have something to say today. i think it is incredibly important, you got the israeli arm in residential areas, and you have violent acts being triggered at holy sites which tends to really enflame passions on both sides. the one thing i would say is if you look at the polls, national security has been an increasingly important issue to all voters. republican primary voters, you have large military households, large number of households in a primary state like south carolina, caucus state, and security mom on the side have come back and that's just intensified and some of the early republican primary polls, naksal security is up there with the economy and jobs as an important issue to republican voters. i think you will continue to hear about this. and usually that concern goes through the middle east.

it also, let's be frank, this is unconnected to this, but it was isis is beheadings on computer near you which crystallized and galvanized a lot of american eyeballs saying who is doing what, where. people are much more heightened. it is not just something over there. i respect the american voter in assessing this with domestic concerns. >> we have seen republicans and democrats have sincere efforts to bring israel and the palestinian authorities to some kind of agreement in terms of peace and two states living side by side. do voters, do the political candidates, do they really believe this is a top of mind issue, an expectation still at this point that they should have a plan to resolve a situation that predecessors have tried and failed. >> i'll be honest with you, richard, i think your average american voter just thinks they're always fighting over

there. and most people don't understand the specifics. people may not necessarily understand the difference between isis and isil. i think the way this manifest itself, it is unfortunate we're this oblivious, it will manifest itself in some candidates coming forward and saying israel is under assault and that's why this iran deal is a bad idea. if they can't control their situation with the palestinians, how much safer do you think they'll feel if the iranians get a nuclear weapon. that's where it manifest itself. >> in the republican primary israel is a very important issue. not because necessarily there are so many jewish voters in the republican primary, because for evangelical voters, for the christian zionists, issue is a major issue, that's why mike huckabee keeps talking about it, he talks about his trips to israel. this is a big, big issue. might not surface all the time. but don't discount israel as an issue in the republican right. >> in the current republican

field, apart from mike huckabee, take the top tier, a worsening situation in israel, who would that benefit in terms of hitting the buttons for evangelical voters. >> probably senator cruz. his day job puts him at the intersection of he's issues. it is one thing to talk about them, richard, against iran nuclear deal. israel is our best friend, quite another to have a -- be one of 100 americans in the senate who gets the briefings, who has to vote on the actual bills and legislation. and make a statement. so i actually think it benefits him, also because it is not a new issue. he speaks about it on the stump, almost wherever he goes. even when he talks about religious liberty, he talks about israel, he talks about obviously the middle east, the iran nuclear deal, had that big rally where he invited donald trump, cruz's rally, and trump spoke briefly, cruz who carried the day. i think it benefits him. it benefits some of the candidates, mike huckabee, who takes an annual trip to israel,

rick santorum talking about this for ages. you see a difference in the experience. this is where i think people are baffled to say, wow, look who is ascending in the republican party on ben carson. it is great that he has all these accomplishments and amazing. but can you see him as your commander in chief? his supporters can. that's a question. >> we got to keep our eye on another big story, vice president biden's pending decision whether to enter the race for president, a decision that could come any day now. hallie jackson is live outside the vice president's home in greenville, delaware. i understand the president -- the vice president had been on the move. >> a little bit of action here, richard. if you look at some of the video, about 20 minutes ago, the vice president pulled out of his home, the motorcade followed by the press, of course. he headed over to bellevue state park, about 15 minutes away from here on the outskirts of wilmingt

wilmington. last weekend he went and saw his gra grandkids compete in a tournament. it is interesting, though, you don't often see members of the media camped out on this quiet suburban street in wilmington. it is an indication of how much close attention is being paid to the vice president's movements and to his actions particularly over this weekend as we believe he's getting closer to announcing whether he will or will not run for president. a couple of key questions that we believe he's considering, one, does he have it in him to go all the way. two, what is the path to victory here. we know the vice president will be on the move again later tonight. he's actually headed up to manhattan to receive an award, a human rights award there. he'll be giving a speech. we don't know what is on his schedule over the next if days or when we may begin to hear the drip, drip, drip of which way he may be leaning. >> is there any sense of what kind of forum he may make an announcement? >> the sense we're getting and my colleague kristen welker and

i have been talking about this, is we may begin to hear over the next few days, maybe sunday, monday, tuesday, some leaks, right, about who he's talking to, which way he's leaning. but if he were to run and that's still a big if at this point, it is likely we wouldn't hear any kind of announcement, any kind of rally or official announcement for maybe another week or so after that. >> okay, thanks for that. still ahead, the mets and the cubs face off tonight in the first nlcs matchup. we'll go back to the future with the man who predicted chicago would go all the way. and next, the speaker's race, why john boehner is still trapped in washington. we'll have the details of that on the other side of this break. here at humana, we value sticking with things. when something works,

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we reported at the end of the last hour that snow is in the forecast for parts of the northeast this weekend. and that forecast is actually correct. we now have our first pictures, proof that indeed snow is coming and so is winter. people of corning, new york, you have our deepest sympathy and respect. cold days ahead for house speaker john boehner whose retirement plans are on hold because the effort to replace him appears to be going nowhere fast. majority leader kevin mccarthy withdrew his name last week, leaving two declared candidates. republicans jason chaffetz and daniel webster. webster has the backing of the conservative freedom caucus. a formerly shadowy group of 40 conservative house republicans who have challenged the party's leaders at every turn. chaffetz is the current chairman of the house oversight committee. and then there is paul ryan, the former veep candidate, who is reportedly considering the job. but hasn't come to a final decision just yet.

ryan is the only person republican leaders believe can unify the party and surpass the 218 vote threshold needed to win. but after mccarthy was toppled, the freedom caucus might not be -- might not feel as compelled to support ryan and give up on their demands. fueling ryan's reluctance to jump in. if he doesn't get in, nearly a dozen lesser known members have publicly or through aides said they would consider a run for speaker. an extraordinary prospect of an incredibly messy contest, which makes you wonder, has the chaos only just begun? joining me now is congressman blake fanfold, a republican from texas and member of the tea party caucus. good morning. >> good morning. >> explain to me, you're a member of the tea party caucus, but we're talking about the freedom caucus, not a member of both. what is the difference between the two? >> the freedom caucus is a relatively new group of folks that spun off of the republican study committee, which is a group of the most conservative

members of congress. and the freedom caucus is kind of an invitation only and you don't really necessarily know who is in. it is a little bit secretive. >> and are you a member of the republican study committee? >> i am. >> how did you feel when these members broke off and formed their own caucus? >> well, you know, you -- they're elected by the same number of folks that i am, if they want to get together and do their own thing, more power to you. the beauty of congress is you got the opportunity to come together with like minded people, build coalition and move what you want to move forward. >> so congressman, i want to pull up a quote you gave to the associated press. you said -- turn on the tv, hear the guys, republican party in disarray, turmoil in washington, i don't think that's the case. i think kevin mccarthy did the country and the republican conference in congress a huge favor. he stepped back and gave us time to have a discussion.

that discussion right now seems to be hard to track. what is the nature of the discussion that you're hearing and that you think voters are hearing. >> not so much discussion within the republican conference because all the members are back home listening to their constituents. i think what kevin did is he gave us the opportunity to think about and talk about what we want in a leader, more than who we want in a leader. and i think that was a gift to the country. i think had we come back, we'll have a can couple more sessions where we talk about that, and then the right person will emerge. >> if paul ryan decides to run, would you support him? >> i want to know who all the candidates are. i'm disappointed that some of the people who are feeling out running if paul doesn't just don't say, i'm in no matter what. if you're called to be the speaker, the job for you, you ought to know it and you ought to be going for it full tilt. >> so you think his indecision

raises questions about whether you could support him. >> again, i think both paul and the folks who are thinking about it just, you know, get in or out. let's get going. >> there are a number of sitting and former republican members of congress who have said they think the party at least in the house has become ungovernable. you got all of these different caucuses, possibly up to a dozen candidates coming in. who wants this job if it is so hard to even get a coalition together to get elected? >> well, i'm certainly not running. but it is an opportunity to lead your third in line for the presidency and i really do think for whoever gets this speaker job, it is going to be a calling. it is going to be somebody who is motivated to do what is best for the country. and it is going to be a person who is a good leader, who is a good communicator, and who can bring folks together. >> okay, congressman, thank you for joining us this morning. >> my pleasure.

joining me now is congressman charlie dent, republican from pennsylvania. good morning. >> we're going to hold over for a panel or are we done? >> i just want to ask you right up you directly here, is the party -- are you worried about the party, the house gop becoming difficult to govern here? >> yes, i do actually. look, the challenge we have here is it is not simply electing a speaker. we can elect a speaker. the challenge will be what do we do once we elect that speaker? we have some very big issues we must deal with from the debt ceiling to a budget agreement, omnibus appropriations bill, transportation bill, and the reality is, you know, we need to expand the governing wing of the republican party on these major issues. we all know they're go to require some level of bipartisan cooperation to enact any of them. we have to accept that reality. so new speaker will are to enter into the negotiations very

quickly. and i suspect some of our own members, you know, may then undermine or take the legs out from under the new speaker. that's the challenge. paul ryan, i support him. but if paul takes the job, he's going to have his hands full. >> when kevin mccarthy withdrew, you said maybe republicans might have to get a bipartisan coalition together to elect a speaker. you still think that's realistic. is it more realistic now than it was before? >> it is certainly a possibility. when i said that, some people thought that was a hear sy. i was expressing a mathematical reality. kevin mccarthy had between 180 and 210 republican votes for speaker. traditionally those who would have lost would have thrown their support to the winner. that was not likely to be the case. somewhere between 30 to 50 members were threatening to vote against mccarthy on the floor. so in order for kevin mccarthy to have become speaker, he would have had to have democratic votes for him to become speaker or democrats just not showing up

at all, lowering the threshold. so, yeah, it is a possibility if we cannot get 218 republican votes on the house floor, then, of course, the democrats will have an impact on who the next republican speaker will be. >> congressman, i want to pull up a quote from politics profess, matthew green who told the wall street journal this week, quote, in the 1940s through the 1980s roughly there was a leadership ladder in the house. right now there is no ladder. it is completely open. is the tract to speaker, the tract to authority in the house, is that gone? >> well, yeah. the traditional notions of hierarchy have been turned on their heads. just last weekend i received four calls from some of my colleague wanting to become speaker. those were just the texans. just the texans. so we could have as many republican candidates for speaker as there are republican presidential candidates before this is all over. and so, yeah, i think the notion

of authority and hierarchy have been somewhat turned on their heads. ordinarily there is a sense of the conference who should be the next top leader, the next speaker, but that, you know, other than paul ryan, there isn't a sense of who that person should be. >> would you mind john boehner sticking around for longer? >> well, it is interesting, those who wanted to get rid of john boehner, those who, you know, were trying to throw him out, they got exactly that they did not want. they'll get more of john boehner because john boehner has said that he will remain in the speaker seat until a chair until a new speaker is elected. i have a feeling this could take a while and john boehner will be doing a lot of work between now and the time he leaves. we must move forward on making sure we do not default on our nation's obligations. we have to move forward on a budget agreement rather quickly. we need to make sure we're in a position to pass the appropriations bill so we don't get into a shutdown situation come december 11th. so john will be around a little while, i think. >> for the freedom caucus, be

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>> who is the speaker of the house of representatives. >> is it boner. >> close. >> boehner. >> boehner. >> oh, my god. >> his name starts with a j and ends with an on boehner. >> ba >> boehner. >> his name start with a john end and ends with boehner. >> no. >> anybody can become a speaker of the house. if you listen to mr. robinson here, anybodies hy has a shot. >> it is a fight with far reaching implications including in the race for 2016. with anti-establishment candidates like donald trump and ben carson still leading the field. joining us now is robert costa for the washington post and arianna johnson of the national

view. good morning to you both. last time you were on the show, you stated pretty confidently that kevin mccarthy would be the next speaker of the house. who do you predict now? >> mccarthy at the time had the votes, over 200, near 218. but it is about getting intoer that numb near the number of 247. almost in wound could do that. the person who could brprobablyo it the best is paul ryan. there are still 30 or 40 members that would break away. >> we just heard from congressman dent talking about maybe possibility of a bipartisan coalition electing a house speaker. what do you think about that prospect? >> i think first republicans are going to want to hear from paul ryan. i'm actually hearing that paul ryan is pretty likely to get in the race, but he wants to do it on his own terms and that means no horse trading for votes, he's

not going to want to give up or cede his power to the house freedom caucus or anything else before jumping in the race. i am hearing that he's really considering this and is getting more and more likely to jump in, but, of course, we'll have to wait until next week. and i do think, you know, there are plenty of other people on the republican side who want to run. i think bipartisan coalition remains very unlikely. >> robert, wasn't the no horse trading rule the problem for kevin mccarthy. he didn't want to accept the demands of the freedom caucus? >> it was. it was one of the chief concerns for mccarthy, anyone who wants to become speaker wants the ability to craft a political agenda, withouting are having to the floor every time and sweat over a vote. now paul ryan is looking at the situation and says i want to do big things on taxes and budgets, but if i have people breaking away from me on every floor move, it is not going to be a pleasant experience. but this is how house republican politics exists today. this is the reality. someone needs to step up whether

it is ryan or one of the lesser known names and lead a leaderless group. this say collection of factions and they're struggling to have anyscratching my head trying to understand how come the freedom caucus get this powerful this quickly. they were only formed earlier this year. when is the secret of the power here? >> it is a bigger -- bigger than just the freedom caucus. there is an enormous fission within the republican conference between palme weople who is bee capitol hill a long time and in many cases younger members. people who came up in the wave of 2010 and they have much different qualities than the people who have been around a longer time. they're much more ideologically driven. they have great ideological ferve and want to see some of that in their leadership. john boehner and mitch mcconnell are institutional caretakers, not driven by the same ideological fervor. that's the fissure you're seeing

in the caucus. some leader, maybe paul ryan or somebody else, will need to bridge that gap. >> who does the freedom caucus support in the 2016 race in the presidential race? >> great question. most of them really respect and admire ted cruz. he worked closely with many of these freedom caucus members during the 2013 government shutdown. you think of the freedom caucus, think of the shutdown and who is pushing in the house. those are those members. they like donald trump, a lot of them came to trump's rally on immigration on capitol hill a few weeks back. they like ben carson, carly fiorina. they want an outsider inside the house and beyond it. >> ted cruz, do you think that he'll be cheering this debate on, this long discussion that we may be looking at? >> you know, i don't think any of the 2016 presidential candidates want an extended chaos in the house. because it really distracts from the 2016 presidential race and lends credence to the narrative that the gop is a party in chaos. i think in the short-term it

really benefits a candidate like cruz because it shows that the tried and tested leadership isn't working and that there needs to be an enormous change. i think in the short-term it does benefit a candidate like cruz. in the long-term, they're going to want eventually the attention to turn to people like themselves. >> robert, just to be clear, just to end here, they don't -- i know there is talk about reforming leadership. but isn't one of the key demands here just to have weak leadership? >> the back benchers, the conservatives, they enjoy having weak leadership. they reveled in boehner's political downfall, in mccarthy stepping away from the speaker's race. they want to see the conservative base have power within the house and not are it climb a ladder or wait decades to assume power. they want power now and they have it. >> do you think that paul ryan really wants that scenario? >> no, i don't. i think one of the biggest problems the house actually is the waning power of the house speakership. and the waning power of

congress. and whoever is the next leader i think will are to figure out what sort of carrots and sticks to use that are actually usable right now to enforce some sort of order and discipline on the caucus. leaderless caucus is not going to work. >> we have to wrap it up there. thank you both for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. still ahead, the latest on the mudslides that trapped hundreds of cars in southern california. and next, some of the predictions back to the future got right. stay with us. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. if legalzoom has your back.s,

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against miami? >> that's something, huh? who would have thought. 100 to 1 shot. >> against miami. no franchise at that time. that famous scene is, of course, from back to the future 2. a film released in 1989 about the teen in 1985 who travels to the future and that date in the future is october 21st, 2015, which just happens to be next wednesday. despite the cubs world series hopes still being alive sadly, the future hasn't quite panned out like the movie's producer imagined. there are no flying cars. there are no hover boards, no matter what the guys on the boards say. and there are no shoes that tie themselves. but the movie did get some predictions right, like flat screen tvs and video calling, part of our daily lives. we are lucky to have with us right now bob gail, one of the bril ynt cliant co-creators and writers of the back to the

futu future. welcome. welcome back. i'm going to relive -- i was looking back at the other movies that were released in '85, the first back to the future. it was an extraordinary year for great movies. brazil, desperately seeking susan, mad max, my personal favorite, after hours. but as a teenager, you had the choice of what to go to with the people you were dating at the time, back to the future was very attractive. >> thank you. >> you should interview him. >> do we want to know the details about this? >> no, you don't. okay. i'll start with the cubs. you're a cardinals fan. what possessed you to think about the can cububs? >> the thing that is great about this joke is everybody in america, whether you're a sports fan or not, everybody knows that the cubs are the perennial losers. i mean, this is just -- you get

this by osmosis, even if you're not a baseball fan. so my being a baseball fan, of course, more engrained in me and back to the future, all three movies, are comedies. so we're looking to have fun with the future. we want people to see this and say, that's funny. oh, that's cool. that's great. we didn't want to do the future where baseball is banned and people have shaved heads and -- >> that was mad max for that. >> yeah, mad max and blade runner, they tore everything down and rebuilt it to look like everything was in the fog. i don't know. but, so, yeah. >> we're all focused on the predictions and everything else, which is fun and clearly whatever you were drinking back then gave you a great insight into the -- i'm -- i read somewhere that back to the future, although we consider it a comedy and everything else, has an edge to it that you couldn't possibly imagine today.

movies being made today. the idea of a mother dating a son would just be -- there is a lot of humor in there and it doesn't get into the serious issues, but just a little too weird for today's hollywood. >> that's a little too weird for today's hollywood? well, for a family -- for a family movie, they would just -- everything has to be exactly this way and this genre and then we have the other thing where people say, what's this relationship between marty and doc? marty is 17 years old and doc in 1985, he's 70 years old. people today, they will overthink it. in the movie, you just -- these guys are friends. it works. he's a -- doc is a father figure. >> also, you make the parents cool again. the idea of a teenage movie today having cooler older people is also unthinkable. >> and the other hand, though, the first movie is about a kid

who -- his dad. marty gives him good advice and george stands up to biff and we have a much better world because of that. >> your memories of "back to the future". >> i love the movie. i love it. i found it inspiring. i love the delorean car. and back in the days, you know, having a car, not go this way, but to lift up, and just the -- i'm a big sci-fi fan. just the kind of science behind it and the rational and how you structured it, it was just uplifting and fun and, again, for the sci-fi elements in it, compelling. >> did you think of it as a sci-fi movie? >> one of the interesting things about "back to the future," it defies categorization. it is sci-fi. yes, it is comedy. yes, there is a romance in it. there is adventure. there is action. it is a mashup of all these different genres. the movie came out on video, the guys at blockbuster didn't know what aisle to put it in. >> that's great. >> we have to explain

blockbuster. >> even that's -- >> back to the past. >> videotape. >> i had my 30th high school reunion last week and i was in charge of the trivia questions. and, of course, "back to the future" was a huge part of it. please run out and buy this trilogy. but among the other depressing things, if this is your 30th high school reunion, is -- first blockbuster store this year at windows 1.0 was released. just gauze gooes on. my favorite part of the movie, to the odd mrs. mcfly and her son marty in the bed together is when she says, she's asking what his name is and she said your name is calvin klein? >> on the underwear, yeah. >> will say this, i was taken to this movie by my parents because i wasn't old enough. but i was -- before we came up here, it has such staying power. my college students today have ste seen this movie.

they don't know "miami vice," but they know this movie. as a comic book sci-fi person who goes to conventions, there is always somebody in a marty mcfly outfit, in a hover board. rick and morty spoof the movie. i've always loved this film. >> just to make us feel even old, a significant number of the players tonight were not born when the movie came out. so bob, please, stay with us. you'll join us later on this hour. up next, we -- there was an incredible event in southern california that back to the future did not predict. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. all with a great taste. i don't plan on slowing down any time soon. stay strong. stay active with boost®.

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was a huge mud hole, which is still in almost the same shape as it was the very first day. a lot of people had to spend the night in their cars, they were swamped, it is over about a mile long and they're saying 300,000 cubic yards of mud is in that stretch. so a lot of work to do to clean up and a lot of hope that the hillsides are stable now, and that they can get everything cleaned up before the next storm system rolls in. this one didn't have anything to do with the el nino system that is developing off the coast, but if this is a taste of what is to come for the winter, it is going to be a long one. >> that bodes badly, looking forward, my thanks to jennifer bjorklund. >> up next, you'll never guess who wants to throw out the first pitch if the cubs make it to the wrld series. mets fans, cover your ears. details are next. for adults with an advanced lung cancer called

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there's a huge amount going on this morning. let's get caught up on other headlines making news with this panel we have today. bob gale, from "the washington post," christopher lloyd, otherwise known as doc brown, wants to throw out the first pitch at the cubs world series game, as we just discussed, you wrote, back in the day, the chicago cubs predicted to sweep a fictional american league miami franchise which turned out not to be so fictional in the 2015 world series. doc brown throwing out. secondly, are the cubs going all the way? >> well, i hope the cubs go all the way. they will make me look really smart if they do that. i like anybody that makes me smart. if they don't go all the way, the joke will still be funny. i think i win either way. chris lloyd is a big baseball fan. it will be great to have him. they should got bob samatkus in

there too, for getting the joke in the movie. >> i don't know what would make you think that. he is a chicago guy. >> yeah, he is. >> so right, you're win-win. we're a political show. i know he knows, the family that owns the cubs, the ricketts family, highly political family, and it's interesting, laura ricketts on the cubs, big huge democrat, big fund raiser. then you have todd ricketts. he had been a walker backer. the brother, the other board members, the republican governor, nebraska, is the founder of a big conservative superpac. >> wonderful family. >> they're putting together a winning team. >> fantastic. >> maybe they can find us a house speaker too.

>> u.s. blocks alaskan arctic drilling for two years. shut the door on friday on drilling in alaska's arctic ocean over the next two years. this is a big change for the administration. >> it's a big change for the administration. but based on some very crafty deal politics from president obama, gas prices have gone down because of how he's manipulated things in the middle east, with russia. i'm not surprised. it's the same reason the keystone pipeline has gone down. people don't see the necessity to drill in the u.s. >> can deny birth certificates for some children born to immigrants. texas authorities have been placing significant barriers against that. the politics of the demographic changes are working their way through the political system. >> i imagine this will be litigated through the courts. because it's going to be a conflict between state law, as

some judge reads it and of course our federal laws and immigration laws. >> 2 dozen immigrant parents in south texas sued the state on behalf of 32 children they claim to have been denied birth certificates. serious one right there. and not so serious, i have to say. this one is going to take a little explanation. meerkas expert attacked monkey handler with wine glass over lama keeper. which sounds like a headline writer's dream. a meerkat expert has been ordered to pay compensation to a monkey handler she attacked with a wine glass over a lama keeper. children or animals, i'm told. >> maybe we really do need to get this cloning down. so that we have plenty of these animals to go around and everybody can handle all the animals. >> i don't recall any animals in back to the future. >> no, no, no, we had a dog.

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