witt." gun fire breaks out during a crowded zombie festival. the war of words escalate between jeb bush and donald trump. are other candidates joining in the fight? >> i'm good. i'm hungry, but i'm good. and now if you don't mind, i'm going to dial it right up to a ten. >> that was priceless. larry david doing bernie sanders to a "t" on "snl." with a good day to all of you, fresh reactions from donald trump and jeb bush over trump's 9/11 comments. >> i don't know why he keeps bringing this up. it doesn't show he's a serious person as it relates to being commander in chief and being the architect of a foreign policy. across the spectrum of foreign policy, mr. trump talks about things as though he's still on

"the apprentice." >> i'm extremely tough on people coming into this country. i believe if i were running things, i doubt that those people would have been in the country. i'm not blaming george bush, but i don't want jeb bush to say my brother kept us safe because september 11th was one of the worst days in the history of this country. >> hillary clinton returns to capitol hill thursday to testify in a hearing. this will come a week after huma abedin sat down with committee members for more than six hours. this morning benghazi committee chair trey gowdy addressed accusations from both sides of the aisle that the committee was set up to go after hillary clinton. >> there's no evidence. there are three people who don't know what they're talking about. the two republicans members of the congress have never asked for an update on our committee. they couldn't tell you a single

document production we've received, and the former staffer left in june. he has no idea what we've done since june and his allegation about secretary clinton, he never said until he sat down with somebody in your profession last friday. these three wouldn't even be called as a witness in my former job because they have no firsthand knowledge. it's the question that just won't go away. >> if you look on paper politically, there's not much space in this race and joe biden has his own history of running and failing. >> let me ask you about joe biden. >> joe biden certainly believes he's got more time. does he? >> well, joining me now is jeremy peters, pluolitics reporr for "the new york times." let's get to what we're hearing that joe biden is leaning towards making the announcement he's running and it could come soon. does that sync up with what you are hearing, and how does the

phone call to the president of the firefighters union as well as that e-mail that a friend of his sent to supporters friday, how does that play into these unconfirmed reports? >> i think the people around biden, the people behind this biden superpac are much more enthusiastic about the prospect of his running than biden himself. what i have always heard is that he is still in a deep, deep state of grieving, and for him to be in the right mind-set to run for president, he is just not there yet. now i can be completely wrong and he decides to run and i'll look like a fool. for now if i were betting, i would bet against his running. >> but that phone call in particular to the head of the firefighters union. this is a powerful democratic operatic he's speaking to and talking logistics.

doesn't that indicate something of a very strong intent? why would that kind of conversation take place if it weren't serious? >> i think he's doing everything he needs to do in case he decides, yes. and putting that groundwork in place is what we've seen over the past few months. he's just making sure in case he decides he's ready to go. >> let's go to hillary clinton testifying on thursday. what questions will she be asked? >> i think what you're going to see is an attempt by the benghazi committee panel members to be careful. they know that they have been dealt a grievous blow by kevin mccarthy and the other republicans who have said this is a partisan witch hunt. they have to make this look as even handed and legitimate as possible. that said, hillary clinton thrives in settings like this. this is where the lawyer in him comes out for good.

you'll see him when he's back on his heels push back in a very affirmative tough way. the last time that she was called before a committee like this, i think you could objectively say she got the better of her questioners. i do think this is a moment that is probably more critical to her campaign than the last debate because all attention will be focused on her. it won't be focused on bernie sander s or martin omalley or jm webb say. >> colleen dowd says whether hillary clinton will be pill rised by the benghazi committee. she said it's going to be less a showdown than a show trial. the verdict is already in. the republicans are guilty. it's not that hillary has gotten so much more trustable. it's the republicans are so much less credible. how much of an impact do you think the recent fallout will have during thursday's hearing

and as this investigation continues? >> i think by and large people have already made up their minds on this benghazi panel and had them made up before kevin mccarthy said it was a partisan exercise. i don't think the election will be won or loss for hillary on benghazi because it's such a polarizing issue at the extremes of both parties. that said, i think she has a real opportunity to keep calling republicans out and say, look. this came from your own majority leader. he acknowledges that this is just a show trial. so don't take my word for it. take yours. and that's extremely hard for any republican to push back on. >> let's also talk about the latest feud between donald trump and jeb bush. how effective is it for donald trump to tie jeb bush to his brother when it comes to 9/11? >> i think it sounds like trump is reaching there. it's not nearly as effective a

critique as the low energy critique when he called jeb low energy. i think that was probably the most devastating blow the jeb bush campaign has endured because there's a ring of truth to it. jeb does seem to lack a certain verve and vitality for the presidency. and i think that trump ended up giving the democrats and jeb's republican opponents a huge gift there by saying that. >> jeremy peters, always good to talk with you. developing now, new fighting in the west bank. today dozens of israelis were removed from josephjoseph's tom biblical shrine after clashing with palestinians. the site was torched on friday by palestinian assailants in the first attack on a religious site during this month of deadly conflict.

this follows an incident which left all five assailants dead. john kerry will be meeting with benjamin netanyahu and mahmoud abbas later this week. he had this to say about the ongoing efforts to defuse tensions. >> we are as deeply engaged as i can ever remember in trying to help resolve some of these very complicated explosions of sectarianism and violent extremism. >> joining me from jerusalem, amman moha dean. how do you think john kerry meetings will help ease these tensions? is it possible they will have a positive outcome? >> well, it certainly can have a positive outcome. the united states has a tremendous amount of influence over both parties if they can find some kind of process to defuse the situation.

this is a race against time between what's happening on the ground and what's happening at a political and diplomatic level. we've seen in the past and also in this case diplomatic effort takes a long time to trickle down to the streets. at the street level this is far from being resoflved. they are setting up barriers further creating a sense of division taking place here in the street. that's going to anger the palestinians. israel says it has to do so to prevent palestinians from delivering attacks. but you can see from the palestinian authority the language that is coming out is saying this is going to fuel further anger, resentment. they've also condemned what they are saying is israel's summary execution of many of these palestinian attackers. so the situation on the ground and diplomatic level, a big, wide distance between those two. and it's going to be a matter of time as to whether or not there can be some kind of agreement

that can de-escalate this. you listed the examples of these attacks taking place against israeli settlers, some israeli soldiers there as well and also here in jerusalem. >> you have been on the ground there for a while. i'm curious what your sense is when you talk to both sides. do they expect these clashes to continue for some time unabated? >> it's really difficult to answer that because it depends on who you ask. the one i've heard over and over from both sides, there's a tremendous amount of frustration and tremendous amount of blame leveled on the other side. when you speak to israelis, there's a tremendous amount of frustration that they believe, israelis believe, palestinians are not genuine about peace. they're intent on trying to kill jews. that's created in the minds and sentiment among israelis. they blame the palestinian authority for incitement.

it's about the humiliation they've been enduring for the past several decades. their lives have become increasingly worse. when you talk to palestinians, thus situation begins and ends with the occupation. right now they're not talking to each other on the diplomatic front to ease the tension. so many big issues but also a lot of distrust. >> ayman, thank you. let's get some other news in. deadly violence at a zombie festival. police are searching for a suspect who shot one person dead and wounded four others at zombiecon in ft. myers, florida. they ran through the streets as the gunshots rang out. the annual gathering was expected to draw more than 20,000 fans. look at this scary scene in houston when a massive scaffolding collapsed. six people working on a construction site were injured. so far all but one has left the hospital.

there's still no word on what caused that collapse. two are dead after a powerful typhoon came ashore in the philippines. army troops have been deployed to help residents trapped in villages. flooding remains a big concern. a cold snap is gripping much of the country today. some places even saw snow. some kwlaiareas in michigan got than two inches of it. the weather channel's reynolds wolf has this chilly forecast. >> bewe've got a crazy story fo you. it's going to be what millions of people will feel. it's the cool air locked in place for much of the east and ohio valley and mid-mississippi valley. we've got all kinds of alerts in terms of freeze warnings and watches, including the nation's capital. chilly times we'll be dealing with. across the northeast and port kwlon ions of the great lakes. new york, 49 degrees the

expected high. as we wake our way out to the west we see scattered rain showers coming through. it's fall but a taste of winter-like weather. some rainfall in pennsylvania mixed in with frozen precipitation. out to the west, the great basin and four corners, rain there, too. could cause flooding in races. also being very careful watching an area of potential development into the yucatan peninsula. could be affecting the gulf coast in the coming week. >> that chill, reynolds, thank you. the u.s. extends its goal of building a self-reliant afghanistan. how long will it take, and what what cost? we'll talk with a decorated marine corps veteran about obama's extension to america's longest war. and is vice president joe biden ready to run? we'll tell you which major union leader he consulted about jumping into the race. you can with t citi double cash® card.

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developing news today, the pentagon announced an air strike in northwest syria has killed sanafi al nasra, the highest ranking member of the khorasan group. he was an expert in funneling money and fighters. president obama's decision to significantly scale back the afghanistan draw down means the next u.s. president will now inherit america's longest war. members of congress and afghanistan and iraq veterans spoke about what they want to see going forward. >> i think it's important, though, as we see some u.s. troops remaining there that we know exactly what their mission is. their mission is not to nation build and to create a mini america in afghanistan.

>> we're going to stay until the afghan government can stand on its own and not necessarily artificial numbers. >> any reason to think that's any time soon? >> no, it's probably not. we're probably going to be there for a while. >> joining me is elliott ackerman, a decorated marine corps veteran who served multiple tours. he's a writer based in the middle east and the writer of "green on blue." elliott, welcome. good to see you. you are the perfect person to talk to about this given your vast experience. when you look at the situation on the ground, the state of the afghan army and state of al qaeda and now isis, is this the right move? >> i think at this juncture it's the right move but we as a nation are in a space where we're having to redefine what have been our classical conceptions of war and peace. in 2015 the afghan war was still going on. five u.s. service members were killed in afghanistan this year. that's five too many, but it's a

far cry from the height of the war. as we look forward, is the u.s. presence in afghanistan going to be the u.s. at war in afghanistan, or is it more akin to a peacekeeping force or occupation we've seen in korea? i think the withdrawal of all troops from afghanistan at this point would really, both afghanistan and our foreign policy at risk of seeing events emerge there similar to what we've seen in iraq. >> how much do you think can really be accomplished by 5500 troops whose mandate is limited. it's just a training in counterterrorism operations. >> it's less exactly what those 5500 troops are going to be doing. it's not as if they'll be holding some line against taliban aggression but what they represent. they represent that afghanistan continues to have the u.s. as a partner for security. afghanistan is still a country under u.s. influence and when the u.s. pulls out like we saw in iraq, and the message is sent

this is a country no longer under our influence, a vacuum is created. and what comes into that vacuum, the u.s. has very little control over. it's a real risk and you can be a situation where you're putting more troops back in to do more dangerous mission whereas where we left a residual force there we may not be in that position. >> you mentioned the korean confluct. that was the 1950. how long are we talking? >> it's challenging our conventional notions of this binary sense of you are either at war or at peace. in afghanistan, we want to bring all the troops home so that we as americans can be at peace. but we as americans are also extended in the world. a country like korea, which has been squarely under the influence of the united states since the 1950s, it's been in that position because you've had this residual force. same thing that happened after the second world war.

we still have tens of thousands of troops based in europe and korea. are those troops that are going to be in afghanistan going to be fighting the type of very violent war that i saw when i was there or are they going to be doing more training missions. to that point the training mandate you fought closely with the afghans. you were the combat adviser. what are the biggest hurdles to them being able to operate successfully on their own? >> i'm sort of skeptical of this rational. we just need to give them more time to get trained. we've been training afghans for a long time. to me it's more of the afghan, the afghan army, afghan government needs support, not so much in terms of weapons, training, finances, which they do need, but they need a partner, a country that's going to leverage their muscles so other nations don't take up

those roles like the pakistanis or chinese. it's more about keeping them under the atmosphere of influence. you do that by leaving some troops there, giving their military a partnership. >> what does success look like in afghanistan? and how does this war for the u.s. at least actually end? or is it open ended? will we have half a century of troops like we had in korea? >> i think what we could potentially see in afghanistan is a situation where you still have u.s. troops there. those u.s. troops are not fighting and dying in the provinces of afghanistan. the afghan army still has a lot of work to do. if you look at a conflict like what happened in columbia. fighting the farc. that conflict went on for 50 years and the u.s. participated with advisers and support. its but the colombians fight. we could hope and it's realistic to believe we'd be in a situation where we have troops in afghanistan. they're not actively engaged in

the fighting but supporting the afghan government that is actively engaged in the fighting. to pull all the plugs and go home, it's an enormous rusk and it's going to leave a vacuum. the question is, who fills that vacuum? >> elliott ackerman, thank you. donald trump is sticking to his guns insisting if he'd been president, 9/11 never would have happened. we've got your round-up of political headline flps. and larry david's impression of bernie sanders last night on "snl." >> i'm the only candidate up here who is not a billionaire. i don't have a superpac. i don't even have a backpack. i carry my stuff around loose in my arms like a professional, you know, between classes. i own one pair of underwear. that's it. but demand for our cocktail bitters was huge. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us.

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dreamwalk. at 31 past, welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." new details fueling speculation that vice president joe biden will be running for president. kelly o'donnell is at the stakeout where mr. biden is back at home today. what are you hearing? >> well, in the moment, alex, it's all quiet. so will he run? is this decision weekend for vice president biden? the speculation is particularly hot because of accounts over the last several days where the vice president has reached out to major names in the labor movement which would be a core part of his base if he were to run. as it had been during his senate career. and we're getting that sense of the seriousness based on sources who were familiar with those phone calls indicating the way the vice president talked about

his decision-making process. in addition to that, he is kind of at home. it's a quiet day in his personal residence neighborhood in wilmington, delaware. yesterday he was in new york city receiving a prestigious award from the greek orthodox church, a humanitarian award and spoke about religious freedom and faith and personal stories he likes to weave into his public remarks. and that was fitting for the event but also the question, is there a message in his speech that gives us an idea of which way he will go? in his remarks, the answer would be, no, not really. but at the end of his presentation there were those in the audience as we've watched. i've heard the run, joe, run from people who are in the audience watching him. there's a lot of build-up, a lot of questions and issues related to the timing. we're in mid-october. earlier in the year, the vice president said he'd probably

make up his mind by the end of summer or into september. the state of the race may be another thing he's considering with hillary clinton and bernie sanders doing well in the first debate we've seen from democrats so far. is this the weekend where he has that gut check moment and decides, will he let us know when? it's really the big question that's hanging on the democratic side of the race. we're here waiting to see if there are any signs. we expect him to go back to washington tonight to be in place for his monday. back to work monday for the vice president. >> i tell you, i can't believe i haven't e-mailed you about this. the e-mails and texts are flying back and forth about all of this. it is the question. let us know if you find out anything. slice president biden stays quiet. donald trump will not, cannot do the same. in a new interview this morning, the republican presidential front runner addressed his fight

with jeb bush over 9/11. >> i'm not blaming anybody but the world trade center came down. we lost 3,000 people. it was one of the greatest catastrophe ever in this country. if you think about it right? >> what would you have done? >> i would have been much different. somebody says wouldn't have been any different. >> i am extremely, extremely tough on illegal immigration. i'm extremely tough on people coming into this country. i believe that if i were running things, i doubt those families -- i doubt those people would have been in the country. there's a good chance those people would not have been in our country. >> joining me, former vermont governor and dnc chairman howard dean and mercedes schlatt who was previously a spokesperson for george w. bush. good to see you. >> thanks. >> mercedes, can you tell me what's gained by having the party relitigate 9/11? does anyone come out on top? >> i think 9/11, obviously, was

an incredibly tragic day in american history. is but actually kind of -- i shouldn't say i was shocked because this is very trump-like to go ahead and basically put the blame on, for example, 9/11 on president george w. bush, but i think you saw governor jeb bush came out. he responded. basically said my brother kept us safe. he united the country during a very difficult moment. and i think that's the important message that has to be said there. we can start pointing fingers. but for trump to really go after president george w. bush is just a cheap shot. >> okay. we're going to move on here. governor dean, i want to get back to the biden question. how should the clinton campaign adjust its strategy, if and when he enters the race? >> i don't think they really have to adjust the strategy. the polls show not only behind secretary clinton but also behind senator sanders. this will be up to joe if he gets in to try to convince

people that he should be ahead of those, too. it's going to be a tough job for him. he's at 100% name recognition. everybody loves him. done a great job as vice president. very sympathetic to his personal situation and 22% of the polls. explain how he's going to go up. so if he gets in, it's good for hillary because i think the more significant field that she beats on her way to the nomination, the more shots she'll have going into the general election. but it's his decision. he's going to do what he wants. and i think it's a little tough for him right now. >> do you want to give me a gut check as to whether or not he does? jeremy peters said he doesn't think he's going to. >> what i've said is, if he does this with his head he won't. if he does it with his heart, he might. >> mercedes, what would be a republican strategy against a

biden candidate if it happens? >> joe biden is incredibly likable. he's worked across the aisle with senator mitch mcconnell. he is someone as a politician, unlike hillary clinton, that they like. they like uncle joe. for republicans they'd have to change their strategy in the sense of saying, look, do we want a third term of president obama. and are -- are we doing much better than we were six or seven years ago? and so i think those would be the questions they'd bring up against joe biden and do we really want to have another term? a third term of president obama. that's where they'd go. >> mercedes, at long last, hillary clinton will be testifying on thursday before the house benghazi committee. committee members went back and forth on this morning's "meet the press." here's part of that. >> what's taken us so long is that the democrats on the committee and this administration have played hide the ball and have denied us records that the american people

deserve and that our committee needs to complete our investigation. >> the answer about why we haven't brought in the defense secretary as they said they would or the cia director, or any of these witnesses for a hearing is because they aren't running for president. >> mercedes, what can committee members do, the leaders do, at this point to not make thursday look like a partisan witch hunt? >> for congressman pompeio and gowdy, they have a responsibility to get the facts. this has become an issue where the state department, the obama administration, the reason why it's taken so long is because of the fact that they haven't released so many of these e-mails. so i think that for the committee not only just to focus on the private server and e-mails of secretary clinton and the fact she deleted 30,000 e-mails but try to get down to the nitty-gritty of what happened that night in benghazi that resulted in the death of our ambassador and three other americans. >> governor, you've been very

vocal on this show and elsewhere in your dismissal of the committee. does the image alone of your presidential candidate sitting before congress likely being grilled for hours, does that cast appall that can't be dismissed, whether legitimate or not? >> this is the ninth or tenth investigation. $16 million expense worth of taxpayers money, and basically these people are a punch of partisan stumblebums. i think hillary clinton is going to wipe the floor with them. if i were them, i'd cancel the hearing. >> i want to get to this, the president's announcement on the military draw down. when you look at the leading gop candidates, do you see a war time president among them? >> a lot of them have vast experience on foreign policy. you look at senator marco rubio who has served on the foreign relations committee. governor jeb bush has a very strong in-depth information on what's happening abroad.

i think for these -- again, we need to be looking at what are the characteristics of these candidates? and it's about leadership, making firm decisions and being able to determine that we don't want to follow president obama's foreign policy that we've seen it's been a disaster with syria. the middle east is more volatile now than it's ever been before. and i think that that's what we're going to be looking at for these gop candidates. that foreign policy issue, in addition to the economy, they're going to be critical issues for 2016. >> governor dean, if president obama was not able to get the u.s. completely out of afghanistan, why would your candidate, hillary clinton, be able to accomplish it? >> actually very interesting analysis of this on the bbc this morning which is true. we have troops all over the place. troops in south korea and europe. the model for maintaining democracies and america's strength is to keep small

consinco contingents of troops like this from filling the power vacuum. this may be a new paradigm for us. i don't think we should have troops in every country in the world or in places incredibly unstable, but where we are very much up against it with the authoritarian, whether they be islamic jihadist or whether they be the russians, it may be that one of the models we'll have to look at is to keep small detachments in certain key areas. >> your description there an accepted new norm. thank you howard dean and mercedes. accidental discovery or act of god? a 400-year-old notebook turns out to be the oldest handwritten draft of the king james bible. coming up, i'll talk to the professor who uncovered the find of a lifetime. before we go to break, you've just got to see larry david. he does a spot-on impression of bernie sanders. he made a cameo appearance during the opening of the show poking fun at the senator's mannerisms and those damn

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university. i wish people could hear our conversation during the commercial. tell us what happened and how you discovered this treasure. >> thanks for having me on. i was asked to write an essay about one of the men we know was involved in tlansalating the king james bible which is the most enduring translation of the bible of all time and most read work of literature of all time. i was asked to write an essay about samuel ward, what things he was interested in. he went on to be the -- i went over to research a lot of his manu script notebooks and papers and see what sort of things was he interested in and doing. >> you're digging around in archives? >> well, they have an archivist there named nicholas rogers. they have a library catalog. you tell them, i would like you -- can i please see this

particular notebook or this particular notebook. this had been cataloged as containing a biblical commentary. it was in looking at that and trying to piece together which part of the bible he was commenting on that i realized he wasn't commenting on it but drafting it. >> it's a very unassuming object. it's about the size of a small paperback book n just one of these little notebooks this man used throughout the course of his life. there are numerous notebooks that look a lot like this. >> how does something like this go unnoticed for four centuries plus? >> in a lot of ways. partly because there are, in fact, new discoveries to be made all the time. lots of objects neglected in archives. it had been commented -- it was cataloged as something it wasn't quite. a commentary. if it had been cataloged as a draft of the king james bible,

somebody would have probably found it sooner. it also challenges what we expect a draft of the king james bible to look like. that's probably why. >> and the collaborative nature in which the king james bible was translated. you had hebrew, greek and latin. it reflects the era of the time. you can make a conversation about william shakespeare and the extent to which he was the singular writer of his work or not. >> certainly i think a lot of the conspiracy theories was shakespeare. he was, himss, the man who wrote hamlet. that being said, theater is anyone engaged in theater today would know it's a collaborative undertaking. and i think one of the things about the drafting of the king james bible is it was this collaborative undertaking. different teams of translators. two in oxford. >> two in cambridge and westminster. you have some of the best, most thoughtful, most intelligent people of all time really

engaged in this monumental undertaking that will go on to become one of the great monuments and of the language itself. it shapes the language we speak today. >> i wish we could talk forever. i just love this kind of stuff. i may have to come and take one of your courses. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> congratulations. what an exciting fund. how zelda and pokemon are saving the symphony orchestra. want bladder leak underwear that moves like you do?

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a growing trend among symphony orchestras is attracting a different kind of audience and may just save the industry. symphony performances based on popular video games are drawing thousands of gamers, many who dress up in character to concert halls and music venues. more than 5,000 video game enthusers packed into brooklyn's barclays center to see the "legend of zelda" in concert. it also performod the late show with stephen colbert.

let's take a listen. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> well, the move, too peel to gamers has been helping to offset a decline in orchestra ticket sales. jonning me is tony pierce, the senior vice president for the colorado symphony. tony, thank you for joining me. this is creative. we know orchestras have seen ticket sales drop by 2.8% over the last decade. what are you seeing happening here? how are these video game performances helping boost the bottom line? >> well, alex, it's not a magic bullet. it's important to remember that orchestras, the best performing

orchestras generate less than half their revenue from ticket sales. but what it really is is an efective audience development tool. it brings new people to our concert experience. the video game music is where many of the most exciting living composers are earning their living today and plying their trade. it shows off the orchestra and these audiences are very enthusiastic, to say the least. >> how much then is derived from sales of things like cds or in one case i read about a woman attending a concert performance in portland who picked up the $20 pokemon doll because she heard a pokemon influenced symphony there. >> we sell a lot of merch at these shows. we performed at red rocks this summer which is our iconic venue outdoors here in colorado. they sold a lot of merch. the orchestras don't always participate in that revenue

stream. we get a percentage. red rocks is also a city-owned venue. the city gets some of that support. >> i want to talk about this scene because they describe it as some people come and dress up in costume. this is radically different than what we experience simp ghee orchestras with people coming off to hear a magnificent rachmaninof or tchaikovsky performance. >> it's a much large ear it extends beyond video games. they are a very important part but we do a lot of sci-fi music. a tribute to comic-con for the last several years. and people come in costume. it's everything from storm troopers to harry potter and it's a very enthusiastic audience. a lot of the antiquated culture of the concert is relevant. people clap when they want and stand up and hoot and holler.

>> this is permanent? this is not just a trend? >> it's a huge cultural trend. i believe the denver comic-con festival is the second largest in the country. it really shows off what the orchestra can do. this is big, exciting work for the orchestra. and it's really part of though more broad innovation category for us. we've been collaborating with even our local sports teams recently. last season we recorded original music for the colorado rockies that was used at all of their home games. we also performed with the denver broncos, many of their players conducted their college fight songs. it's all about audience engagement and engaging new people and bringing them to the live symphonic experience. >> i'm a lover of symphony orchestra music. this is very, very cool. congratulations and keep up the good work, tony pierce with

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from donald trump and jeb bush over trump's 9/11 comments. >> i don't know why he keeps bringing this up. it doesn't show that he's a serious person as it relates to being commander in chief and being the architect of a foreign policy. across the spectrum of foreign policy, mr. trump talks about things that as though he is still on "the apprentice." >> i'm extremely tough on people coming into this country. i doubt those families -- i doubt those people would have been in the country. with that being said, i'm not blaming george bush but i don't want jeb bush to say my brother kept us safe because september 11th was one of the worst days in the history of this country. >> hillary clinton returns to capitol hill thursday to testify in a public hearing before the benghazi committees. this will come a week after huma abedin, her longtime aide sat down with committee members. congressman trey gowdy addressed

accusations from both sides of the aisle that the committee was set up to go after hillary clinton. >> there's no evidence. there are three people who don't have any idea what they're talking about. two of my colleagues, the two republican members of the congress, have never asked for an update on our economy. they couldn't name three witnesses we've talked to. they couldn't tell you a single document production we've received. and the former staffer left in june. he has no idea what we've done since june and his allegation about secretary clinton, he never said until he sat down with somebody in your profession. >> and on the election front, it's the question that keeps getting asked. >> if you look on paper, politically, there's not much space in this race. joe biden has his own history of running for president and failing. yet he's telling people he wants to do this. >> speculation continues. >> joe biden certainly believes he's got more time. does he? >> well, new details fueling speculations that a decision may

come soon about whether vice president joe biden will run for president. biden made no mention at an event last night. but a phone call with a major labor leader is raising suspicions an announcement may be coming soon. nbc's kristen welker has been following this story and joins us from the white house. so what are you hearing, my friend? >> it is the great mystery of washington. according to a source familiar with that call you mentioned, the vice president left the union leader with the impression he's likely going to run. today biden supporters say a decision is imminent. accepting a human rights award in bhan hmanhattan. >> this may be the greatest honor i've ever received in my public life. >> joe biden made no mention of his future plans but paid tribute to his late son beau who encouraged him to run for president. >> as my son beau used to say, just keep moving forward. >> and while a few supporters

cried run, joe, run. biden stayed on message. this comes as the vice president gave the clearest sign yet he's leaning toward yes calling the president of the powerful international association of firefighters. it would be a key endorsement if biden runs. biden spoke at one of the union's events earlier this year. according to a source familiar with the call, biden and shakeberger spoke for about 20 minutes discussing strategy, infrastructure and fund-raising. this source says biden's message to the labor leader, he knows he can get the political pieces in place. now he just has to make a final gut decision. secretary hillary clinton has heavily courted unions but the iaff is not planning to endorse her. still clinton is capping one of her strongest weeks yes with a post-debate bump in the polls. on saturday she tried to build on that momentum in alabama promising to work for voting rights and slamming the

republican front-runner. >> when the election comes around, donald trump and the koch brothers for all their money, they only get one vote each just like everybody else. >> biden spends the day in delaware, as secretary clinton takes a break from the trail to prepare for that critical test. her testimony before the benghazi committee. the benghazi attack and her e-mails will be a major focus. biden watching all of it as he inches closer to a final decision. >> kristen welker, thank you. for more analysis on biden's 2016 plans, let's bring in highsyhighs heidi prezbolla. heidi, we're hearing from several sources that joe biden is leaning towards making the announcement he is running. it could come soon. does that sync up with what you are hearing, and how does his phone call to the president of

the firefighters union and that e-mail that a friend of his sent to the supporters friday, how does all that play into these unconfirmed reports? >> i don't doubt that very much the vice president still wants to keep the word out that he is still very seriously considering this. in the end, i'm going to be very surprised if he actually goes forward with it just because if you go back to the beginning of the -- all of the speculation about joe biden running, it was all in the context of the potential at the time for hillary clinton to really implode. that narrative is changing. it's changed with the debate. it's changed with mccarthy comments. i think it's just going to be -- when you look at the differences between the two of them in terms of the substance, there's not a whole lot different. they occupy a lot of the same space except she has this massive advantage that she's been in this race for a long time and has all the organization and historic aspect of being potentially the first

woman president. does joe biden want to go down on the record as being the guy that brought down the potent knrial for the first woman president to serve. >> i will say that i spoke with jerry peters of "the new york times" last hour. his gut tells him he's not going to run. and governor howard dean said if he listens to his head, he won't run. if he listens to his heart, he just might. what do you think about all these smoke signals, josh? >> that's a good case for why he probably ought not to run and why he'd likely not win if he ran. joe biden has run for president twice before. he got into those races objectively. it was clear he wasn't going to win. he did very badly in the 2008 primaries and really wanted to be product. it's john mccain's line that everybody in the senate wants to be president and the only cure

for that is embalming fluid. if there's any hope he can win the race, he's very tempted to get into it. hillary clinton did very well and it showed she's a stronger candidate than people have been saying, but the other thing is that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. if joe biden was going to have a successful run it was him peeling off donors and supporters and staff, who are worried that hillary clinton is going to implode. people are much less worried about that after the debate than they were before. that makes his late entry that much harder. if he gets in, it's not likely he's going to get very far. if he's going to make a decision to get in he has to do it soon because the filing deadlines for when you have to declare your intention are happening next month. >> georgia is a week from thursday, if i'm not mistaken. maybe a week from friday. and then all the west of them next month. heidi, it's not just hillary clinton who could face a serious

challenge if biden runs. so could barry sanders. let's take a listen to this part. >> i'm an outsider, anderson. i'm the only candidate up here who is not a billionaire. i don't have a super pac. i don't even have a backpack. i carry my stuff around loose in my arms like between classes. i own one pair of underwear. that's it. some of these billionaires got three, four pairs. i have to put my clothes on the radiator. so who do you want as president? one of these washington insiders or a guy who has one pair of clean underwear that he dries on a radiator? >> before i go any further, i think you'll laugh if you know that bernie sanders has reached out and said, hey, why don't you come out and campaign with me,

larry david. so he's got a good sport attitude about what happened last night on "snl." the socialist label. how will that continue to play out for bernie sanders especially if biden throws his hat in? >> i think this is may be -- this may be a bit of a turning point for the word socialist, which is always in the past been equated as a very negative label. but i don't see that actually hurt him with democratic primary voters. obviously, bernie sanders were to get into a general election, that would be like the number one sound baite used against hi. looking at bernie sanders message which is kind of speaking very much against the excess of money and corruption in washington, that fits into it. and i don't think it hurts him with the democratic voters who, for them, this is such a

passionate issue and there's so much anger right now. and also on the right, too. to draw the parallel to donald trump. he's a candidate on the right who has people angry about the same things in terms of money in washington and corruption. flocking to him. for right now i don't think it's going to have that huge of an impact. >> how about on the republican side because we are finding it pretty interesting that ben carson and ted cruz have refrained from attacking donald trump on his most recent statements. and listen to the recent takes they've given out on him. here's that. >> i think donald's campaign has been immensely beneficial for our campaign. and the reason is, he's framed the central issue of this republican primary as who will stand up to washington? >> why would you be a better president than donald trump? >> i don't necessarily want to compare myself with anyone but i can tell you i've had lots of

experience doing a whole host of things. >> donald trump suggested that george w. bush has to share in the blame for 9/11 because it happened on his watch. what do you make of that? >> i would probably ask him what he meant by that. i seriously doubt that he's saying that george w. bush is to blame for it. >> josh, do you think the way they're framing their answers is part of their individual strategies or you think it's out of some sort of a genuine connection with donald trump? what's your read on this? >> i think that they think they're going after the same voters. ted cruz's explicit strategy has been to avoid attacking donald trump. he did a campaign event with donald trump. ted cruz, everybody think s donald trump is eventually going to implode. people thought he was going to implode months ago. ted cruz wants to be there to scoop up donald trump's voters when he does implode and sees no advantage in taking him. with the exception of carly

fiorina, nobody seems to have gotten mileage out of getting into fights with donald trump. i don't know what there is for ben carson to say. you can talk about how donald trump is not a serious person to be president but if donald trump isn't serious enough, why is ben carson serious enough? you have the more establishment candidates saying he doesn't have the depth of policy knowledge that i do. that hasn't work forward jeb bush in making his appeal. i see no particular advantage to ben carson in attacking donald trump after this. why give in the fight when you can stand on the sideline? >> thanks so much. coming up, the fallout from irresponsible gun ownership. when toddlers get their hands on a gun. reach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic

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breaking news out of israel. just moments ago an attack at a

central bus station in beersheva. it injured five with at least one gunman killed as well. israel's national emergency medical services reporting the gunfire is right now under way. this attack is coming just hours after an announcement by the u.s. secretary of state john kerry that he'll be meeting individually with benjamin netanyahu and mahmoud abbas later this week. joining me from jerusalem, ayman. >> there's certainly a stepped up diplomatic effort from the u.s. part. secretary of state john kerry announcing he's going to meet the palestinian and israeli leadership within 24 hours of each other. that's going to create some momentum to calm the situation. on the street level here, a very different situation. it's been a deadly few days for both palestinians and israelis.

but also we are seeing today the israeli police announcing they are setting up barriers in some palestinian neighborhoods across occupied east jerusalem. we've seen they've already set up some concrete barriers around one neighborhood in east jerusalem. and that's going to anger many palestinians who see their quality of life has continuously deteriorating. they're under a tremendous amount of pressure and humiliation. that creates more of a sense of frustration. israel says it has to do this to prevent palestinian attackers from continuing their wave of knife attacks on civilians and soldiers. there were several incidents that took place on saturday and friday that led to the death of at least five palestinians. there's growing concern that protests taking place in some areas of the occupied west bank could continue to grow if there's not a diplomatic effort to try and defuse the situation. both sides continuing to blame each other. for now the israeli cabinet has

rejected a proposal by the french government at the united nations to bring in international observers to the al aqsa compound in the old city. israel says it's the sole guaranteer of religious rights and freedoms in the old city. they are welcoming efforts to bring international observers. they are concerned israel is trying to change a decades-old agreement that controls and provides guidance as to who can come in and out of holy sites in the old city. alex, back to you. >> joining me now, nbc news special correspondent martin fletcher who spent nearly three decades covering the middle east for nbc. he's also the author of "the war reporter." we're so happy to have you here. >> thank you, alex. >> first of all, are we looking at the birth of a third intefadeh? >> it's hard to say. the first intefadeh was stones and rocks and the second was bombs and suicide bombs and guns. now today there's a gun attack.

boys it's been knives. we'll have to see. the key reason the first two went on so long was yasser arafat under the table supported the uprising. abu mazen is different. he's against violence but he's losing control on the streets. >> did you get a sense that anything, the public comments from either leaders is either fueling or helping to quell the situation? >> the israelis accuse the palestinian leader of inciting. one has to say certain of his comments do that. he talked about the jews going to pray in the holy sites, the jews call -- he talked about the jews going there with their filthy feet. that didn't help matters. it's very unhelpful language, obviously. >> all right. let's get to some really great language. this is in the form of your book which i want to congratulate you on. it's a mix of history and fiction to a degree. it's the story of a famous

american war correspondent covering the bosnian war back in the early '90s. there's a tragic incident. then he later returns in search of a woman he has loved, an interpreter. he was always in love with this woman. also he's looking for the real-life serbian general indictindic indicted on war crimes. where did the inspration come from? >> the fact that vladic was not caught for years. but the emotional core of the book began with this boy i met in serejevo who had been in hospital for two years. his parents brought him in for an operation and then they went home to their village and the siege began and they couldn't get back in. this kid hadn't been visited for two years. i met that kid. and i always wanted to write about -- it was very sad to see him there. >> these kinds of things stayed

with you as a foreign correspondent. is this a cathartic measure for you, to some degree? >> maybe. i don't really know. it was a story i wanted to tell. i wanted to make this book as authentic as possible, both about what it's like to work as a war reporter and also the post-traumatic stress that my character developed. so i did a lot of research speaking to friends of mine who have suffered this way. i wanted it to be an authentic thriller and love story. >> some great anecdotes about life as a foreign correspondent. you talk about parties in bombed out cities. the universal hatred, shall we say, of all the bosses back in new york saying do this, do this. even skimming a little off the top when it comes to expenses. that saul fiction. but you seemed to have fun with this book. >> part of it is dark and part of it is light. that is really the life of a

foreign correspondent. i did have a lot of fun writing it. i was laughing a lot while writing it and there were elements i put in. this is going to -- i better take this out. >> what about the really beautiful parts of the book where you talk about the children that you've seen and you tell these stories. you told the one of the 4-year-old boy. that's tragic to think he was taken to a hospital to get surgery and could not see his parents because war broke out. was that something -- those stories are the ones you want to tell because they're often the unsung stories. >> they got me in my career. the book begins with a story of this boy and ends with the story of another little boy. i guess so. i made a career of middle easting peop-- meeting people oe worst day of their life. a lot of the drama and emotion stayed inside me and i think it comes out in this book. you mentioned the general who evaded capture despite the war

crimes. you talk about no one really looking for him and there's a conspiracy theory that you bring up in this book. share that. >> i went to belgrade to research the question as myself. so martin fletcher, the real journalist, was doing the work of the functional journalist. i came up with a theory which i've got one guy, a serb colonel. there was a deal done by the americans to allow the serb army to go into srebrenica in order to chase the muslims out to ethnically cleanse the area. they didn't realize mladic would massacre the muslim men and women. that wasn't the plan. that was half of the theory i came up to. but that was just a fictional theory for the book. then three months ago, documents were released. that's exactly what happened, only it was the british, french

and americans who had a plan to -- the reason they did this, the reason they allowed him into that area was they thought in the future negotiating a peace agreement, it will be easier to do that if those muslims are no longer there. and at the same time a serb minority in the muslim area would be chased out. that's in my book and i haven't yet proven that. >> martin fletcher appropriately named this book "the war reporter." a young child embarks on a remarkable journey to live a dream. that's ahead.

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talk to your doctor or pharmacist about you and your family getting a whooping cough vaccination today. welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." let's go back to politics where we're seeing the first post-debate bump for hillary clinton. she's virtually tied with bernie sanders. sknro joining me now is larry. good to see you. >> good to see you, too. >> what do you make of this bump for hillary clinton, and do you think it reflects her performance in the debate? >> it certainly reflects her performance in the debate. she did very, very well. some of the bernie sanders supporters are suggesting their guy won. he also did well. really the reason everybody graded hillary as strongly as they did is because she broke some of the stereotypes that

have developed about her this year. she couldn't be relaxed and normal and give convincing answers. she did all that. and she reinforced the support of her own backers. they were the ones who were nervous. not just her donors but people working for her in the field. that's why she was a big winner. it's temporary. these bumps don't last very long and there's more debates to come. >> thursday, benghazi, all of it. what about other takeaways from the debate. what did you pick up? >> with all due respect to the three minor candidates, right now this is just a race between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. of course, the ghost of joe biden is still hovering over that stage. and it's now obvious, i think, that biden wasn't influenced in the least by the good grades hillary got in the debate. he is operating according to the

publisher's clearinghouse principle of politics. you can't win if you don't enter. he's entered twice as an underdog. this is his last shot. i think he'd love to do it if he can be find a way to do it though he'd be a clear underdog. >> any sense of how long o'malley, webb and chafee stay in this race? >> in the old days we used to say until the money ran out, candidates stay in. now it's until twitter shuts down. apparently that's all you need to maintain a presidential candidacy. free media, which those three really don't have much of and a twitter account. so we'll see. i think the hand dwriting is on the wall. >> i mentioned the benghazi house hearing on thursday. as hillary clinton prepares for that, what are your expectations since she's been answering questions about the attacks for months now?

>> the chairman of that committee, congressman gowdy from south carolina, claimed today that the committee has uncovered important new facts. well, of course we don't know what the facts are, and we don't know whether they're relevant or important. we'll find out on thursday. that's why it's an important day for hillary clinton. she's going to come up against some pretty tough individuals who are, it's obvious by now, determined to bring her down to the extent they can in a committee hearing. now either she will stumble, maybe because of these new facts, or she will get an opportunity to rebut in a very strong way that more or less puts that issue to rest. we won't know until we see it. that's why we all watch. >> mitt romney's former campaign strategist wrote an op ed titled "how to get better at running for president." and he says it takes tremendous confidence to run for president. but to be successful, that confidence must be matched with

a realistic self-criticism. as the campaign unfolds, watch your favorite candidate for signs of improvement, and if you don't see it, you're probably pulling for a loser. are there any candidates which come to mind that are doing that, reflecting that self-criticism that he's writing about? >> well, let's remember, it's still very early. this has been an intense fall of the year previous to the election. i think much more so than four years ago. and maybe even eight years ago. but it's early. and they haven't had a chance to improve as much as i assume they will. individual candidates, look, donald trump, obviously, sdnts have any kind of self-confidence problem. even he's improved as a candidate. you can see in the way he approaches things and the way he handles speeches. it's inevitable candidates will improve. stewart stevens candidate mitt

romney did improve substantially. remember, he won the first debate in the fall of 2012 but didn't improve fast enough. and even if he had, he might still have lost because of the basic demographics of the country. >> larry sabato, thanks. one of the big issues of this campaign is gun policy. here's what the 2016 democratic presidential candidates said at tuesday night's debate. >> we have to look at the fact that we lose 90 people a day from gun violence. this has gone on too long, and it's time the entire country stood up against the nra. >> all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want. and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns. >> it's time to stand up and pass comprehensive gun safety legislation. >> now there's this new statistic, there has been an accidental shooting caused by a toddler with access to a gun every single week this year.

joining me now is a reporter for "the washington post," christopher ingram who wrote about the incidental accidental shootings by young children here. welcome to you. how does this happen? are people just leaving their guns out unprotected? >> that seems to be the case most of the time. you have adults with guns in their house. they come home late at night, leave their gun on the counter or you have people like in this case in south carolina early this year where a woman drove her 2-year-old grandson around. he was sitting in the back seat. a loaded handgun in the pocket in the back seat behind him and grabbed it and shot the person in the seat in front of him. guns being left out and toddlers being naturally curious just exploring them and these things going off. >> are there any stats that show this is an increasing phenomenon? >> that i'm not sure of. we just looked back through this past year. we're pretty surprised to see it

happening as frequently as it did. through wednesday, 43 separate cases, a number of those cases that toddlers actually shot themselves. we're talking just about toddlers. 1, 2 and 3-year-olds. thises omitts 4, 5 or 6-year-ol shooting a gun. i reported the story on wednesday. by friday they were already obsolete when a 2-year-old in west virginia found a gun and shot a 53--year-old woman in the hip with it. that gives you a sense of how frequently this is happening. >> how much do you find with your research is preventable? >> probably most of it. i know that some gun control advocacy groups say that something like two-thirds of accidental child shootings can be prevented with just some common sense measures like locking up your guns at home. some people argue if there were better laws in place at the

state and federal level to protect and make sure guns are being stored properly at home this would take a big chunk out of those incidents. we're a country with 300-some-odd million people. we have more firearms than people in this country. when you have a gun culture where a lot of people are very -- they base their identity around guns. guns are saturated in so many aspects of our lives. these things are going to happen and it's important to understand this is happening and to figure out what that means for us as a society. >> what then needs to change? you talk about some advocating for more gun laws and the like. how much is implementing common sense. wouldn't that go a long way to preventing childhood violence like this? >> that's what a lot of gun rights proponents say. this is on the parents. the parents need to step up and be responsible. 2-year-old and 3-year-olds aren't going to act responsibly around these things. there may be a case for better,

smarter gun legislation here. if you look at the map of these things which we made and i want to stress we're looking at just a small number of cases. it's tough to draw any conclusions. but you do see in california is the most populous state in the nation. they haven't had a single one of these instances this year. you have a state like missouri, middle of the pack populationwiese and they're leading with five cases so far this year where toddlers have shot people. are state of policies play a role here? policies are relatively strict in california. what we want to do is take a look at a number of years of data and see what is happening there. >> it's an important conversation that you bring for which i thank you. christopher ingram, thanks so much. from finances to football. safety precautions can actually be dangerous. the author of the new book "fool proof" explains next. cocktail bitters was huge. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us.

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both of us came to the conclusion we wanted sam to have as normal a life for as long as possible even if it went he was taken from us sooner. it was more important he lived life while he could. we're relatively unvigilant. he wrestles with his brother all the time. anything he wants to do -- >> yes. >> yeah. >> he sounds like he wins every once in a while. >> yes, i do. >> you do. and make a wish is making a huge dream come true. sending you to austin, texas, for this formula one grand prix. he's going to get to cruise around the whole racetrack with a driver. >> they're takings us down there. we get the tour and they'll take us to a track and sam is going to get to zoom around at high speed which is what he loves. >> can we get a look at sam's face. you were so excited about this, aren't you? is this the best thing that's ever happened? >> yeah. >> that is wonderful. well, i think you're pretty blessed to have such a wonderful family. thank you so much for sharing

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