this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ ♪ hi, everybody, i'm steve kornacki sitting in for chuck todd. a lot more to come tonight on our new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll that was released just a minute ago. it's a poll showing that nearly half of all republican voters are backing either donald trump or ben carson. plus, sources say the clock is ticking and the wait could soon be over as vice president joe biden may be just hours away now from deciding on a 2016 run. also tonight, alabama republican congressman mo brooks, a member of the benghazi committee, who is already floating impeachment for hillary clinton if she wins the white house, all of that coming up tonight as well as a special report from chuck on how detroit is jump-starting its economy. but first, let's hit the press

box, kristin welker is tracking the veep at the white house. carrie dan has much more on the big new poll. katy tur is with the trump campaign down in south carolina, and luke russert is on capitol hill with the latest on the race for speaker of the house. but let's start with how close the vice president may be to a decision. sources telling nbc news that we could hear something within the next two days. several of biden's self-imposed deadlines for jumping into the race, of course, have already come and gone, and that could happen again here. questions loom over how strong the vp's backing would be if he gets in the race. over the weekend, he spoke with the president of a major firefighters union. if biden does reach a decision by thursday, it will come just as hillary clinton sits down in the extreme spotlight of testifying to the house benghazi committee. a democratic congressman from pennsylvania, meanwhile, said today that his sources say that biden will join the race. that's not just any democratic

congressman, by the way. that's the guy who beat chelsea clinton's mother-in-law in the 2014 democratic primary. of course as those closest to the vp are still saying, only joe biden knows for sure what he's thinking right now. so for more, let's go to kristin welker, live at the white house. so, kristin, the anticipation builds. we hear about this 48-hour deadline. maybe. we also hear about deadlines in the past that have come and gone. what's your expectation for the next two days? and how long can he keep doing this? >> that's a great point, steve. i think the vice president's supporters are getting frustrated with the indecision. so that's part of what is driving the sense that he needs to make a decision soon. i now have three separate sources who have said that he will likely make a decision within the next two days. and they are anxiously awaiting what that decision will be. but he's indicated to people

that he's leaning toward yes. the president of the international association of firefighters, the two spoke for 20 minutes on friday, according to a source familiar with the conversation, it was a very detailed conversation. the vice president talking about strategy, ground game, fund-raising. however, he ultimately said he has to make a final gut decision. so it's anticipated that is what the vice president is doing right now. our kasie hunt reporting that dr. jill biden is making phone calls as well today, reaching out to associates in delaware as the vice president prepares to make a final decision about whether he's in or whether he's out. steve? >> and we should note that congressman from philadelphia, he says, i know joe biden's getting in this race. that's what the sources say. he was also saying, look in 1992, bill clinton waited until october 3rd '91 so there's time. if you know the full history of the 1992 campaign, you would know there was no campaign activity for about six months that year thanks to the gulf war. so slightly different circumstances. what's your sense about how much

time joe biden has here to put together a real organization? can it still be done? >> well, he thinks it can still be done, according to the folks he's been reaching out to. however, this is a reality here. both in terms of the calendar, the first filing deadline, on october 29th, that's georgia. and then a lot of states follow that and as you point out, a lot of people have already said they're with hillary clinton. so if he wants to get in, he's got to do it soon. because the window is closing. but he and his supporters say, look, he's the vice president, the minute he gets in, there will be a robust campaign that will take shape fairly quickly. steve? >> all right, kristin welker, on biden watch. thank you for that. now to the republican side of the race, and those brand new numbers on the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll and they speak volumes on where the gop horse race stands right now. donald trump, still the first choice. the gop front-runner at 25%. his numbers have only grown since last month. he and ben carson are the only

candidates breaking 20% support. you see carson right behind there at 22%. ted cruz also seeing a four-point bump from september. carly fiorina, she has dropped four points since that post debate surge she experienced last month. but this may be the most striking statistic in the poll. while trump may lead, it's carson who boasts the highest support. 74% of voters say they could see themselves supporting carson with just 20% saying they couldn't. this from a candidate who has taken time away from his campaign to go on a book tour. joining us for a deeper look inside the numbers now is nbc news political editor carrie dan. lots of interesting numbers here. at 25%, this is the highest donald trump has been in our polls. last month saw a lot of talk about maybe trump is peaking, maybe he's starting to slide. not seeing that in this poll. the other numbers that jump out at me, this is interesting, not

only is ben carson doing so well, 74% of republicans saying they could see themselves supporting him. donald trump's not doing as bad on that as he used to. 59%, nearly 60% of the republicans now say they could see themselves supporting donald trump. and i note, that's almost ten points higher than the number for jeb bush. >> well, that's exactly right, steve. this is a really interesting question that we asked our respondents to our polls, even from early in the political cycle. sometimes they can be as informative as the top-line numbers of who's ahead. can you picture yourself supporting this person? ben carson, 3/4 of republican primary voters say, i can imagine a scenario in which i support ben carson for the republican nomination. the second best person on that measure is marco rubio, who is throughout this primary process shown a lot of potential upside both with conservatives and moderates. as you point out for trump, this number is at 59% of republicans

who can imagine supporting donald trump. he was deeply under water during the summer, and is up nearly ten points since we last polled this same measure last month. so more and more republican primary voters are saying even if donald trump isn't my first choice, i can imagine supporting him to be the republican nominee. that's a big movement and it's something that can be very worrying to somebody like a jeb bush, who's coming in below marco rubio, his chief rival, and a lot of republicans not coming within top three or four of that measure. >> also ted cruz jumping up a little bit there as well. but lots of interesting new numbers. should get a lot of attention. carrie, thank you for joining us. as donald trump basks from the glow of the new poll numbers, he's also fanning the flames on a feud with jeb bush. >> jeb said, we were safe with my brother. we were safe.

well, the world trade center just fell down. am i trying to blame him? i'm not blaming anybody. but the world trade center just came down. that's not safe. >> my brother responded to a crisis and he did it as you hope a president would do. he united our country, organized the country and kept us safe. >> unclear who could get the upper hand on this battle over 9/11, but trump is standing firm. he's saying his immigration proposals would have stopped the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks from even reaching the u.s. in the first place. >> somebody said, well, it wouldn't have been any different. it would have been. i'm extremely tough on illegal immigration. i'm extremely tough on people coming into this country. i believe that if i were running things, i doubt those families would have -- i doubt those people would have been in the country. >> trump is using that talking point to bash jeb bush again. while jeb bush is trying to use the spat to raise money.

katy tur is live with us now. donald trump started this fight, a lot of people didn't expect him to go down this road. he's made a habit of breaking what he think of as the iron laws of politics and getting away with it. one of the iron laws of politics is you don't go after george w. bush on 9/11 if you're a republican. is this something you expect him to keep talking about? >> reporter: absolutely, i do expect him to hit that again tonight. he's really fanned the flames of this, in the past few days. i don't think he intended for this to be something that would take off. i think it was an off-the-cuff remark to bloomberg news on friday. but it's really taken on, he hit it again on the sunday shows and he's tweeting about it again today. and i think he'll continue to do so to get under jeb bush's skin. i think he reffels in any fight he can get into with jeb. who was once the presumptive nominee. i think he enjoys needling him.

it wasn't a surprising move to go after bush, he's been going after the invasion of iraq and how he thought it was a bad idea for the duration of this campaign so far. continuing to say that he was against the iraq invasion in 2004, even citing an article that he was quoted on, of saying he was against the invasion in 2004. it's interesting, because the invasion started in 2003. >> interesting timing on that history. katy tur, thank you for that report. and let's go to capitol hill right now, where we might get a new speaker of the house any day now. the official race is effectively frozen in place until congressman and 2012 vp nominee paul ryan makes his decision. and that decision may come as soon as tomorrow. as our own luke russert reports, house republicans have scheduled an additional conference meeting as soon as they get back into town. still no word on whether ryan will run for speaker, though. but having spent the last week in wisconsin, with his family, it's safe to say, ryan has probably been mulling over the

possibility. in our latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, 6 out of 10 republicans in the poll say they favor a speaker ryan, feeling comfortable with the gavel in his hands. but ryan would have to come to that decision as soon as congress gets back from its recess. and the original vote comes up on october 29th. for more from capitol hill, luke russert. this meeting scheduled for tomorrow, do we know if the subject is the speaker's race and is there any expectation that paul ryan will have something to tell his colleagues? >> well, if the subject is not the speaker's race, consider me shocked, because that's all the house gop members and their staffs are talking about, as well as having to raise the debt limit come november 3rd. paul ryan, i'm told, over the course of the week, spent a lot of time in wisconsin, thinking about the job. there's a sense of god and country that's been pulling at him. but also the sense of reality, which is, is there a path way forward on the house floor,

which would enable to give him a mandate? we all talked about how boehner and mccarthy were trying to get the 220 votes on the house floor, if paul ryan is to go, he wants somewhere in the neighborhood of 235. he wants to take the gavel with the backing of the majority of the conference, he doesn't want to tread water similar to what boehner and mccarthy had to do while they were in power. that's the question. the meeting tomorrow will be interesting, giving ryan an opportunity to hear from people who support him and from his detractors. they have a meeting at 9:00 a.m. on wednesday, and this will be put up or shut-up time for paul ryan. he can't keep in a holding pattern. if he says no, then all bets are off the table, and chaos ensues. we'll get committee chairmen, back benchers, people we may never have heard of, throwing their hats in the ring.

so we'll see. what will ryan do? i go back and forth every hour. i hear great arguments for and great arguments against. it's up with of these questions. at what point does ryan say is my future better for doing this? i can tell you, though, the amount of pressure that he is getting from the party, to say, paul, if you don't do this, we are really in dire straits, is enormous. i suspect that will play into his thinking. there's also the catholic guilt suspect there too. we'll see how that plays. >> i know a little something about the guilt complex that comes with that. luke russert, appreciate that. before we go from this segment, some breaking news, this just in to msnbc, jim webb, currently nning for the democratic nomination for president is now considering an independent run for president. he is scheduled to hold a press conference tomorrow afternoon to discuss his candidacy. the campaign, in his views of the political parties in the current election cycle.

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and you're looking live at the senate judiciary committee. that's jeff sessions of alabama, who is holding court right now. they are holding a hearing on a bill that could overhaul parts of the criminal justice system in this country. it's aimed at mandatory minimum laws, in reducing federal prison time for low-level drug offenders. it would also create new mandatory penalties for certain terrorism and domestic violence crimes. what's unusual about the bill is bipartisan support in a congress that rarely has members crossing party lines these days. republicans such as chuck grassley, and john cornen are partnering with dick durban and cory booker on this legislation. my colleague, ari melber, spoke with mike lee of utah, and said this is an issue that transcends

party lines. >> i think this bill could pass. i think it should pass. and i hope that it will pass. this is an issue that's neither republican or democratic. it's neither liberal, nor conservative. it's an american issue, it involves justice, and it also involves looking very critically and honestly at a federal sentencing system that's exploded. we've come up with some reasons why and some ways to improve it. >> i'll speak to senator cory booker, one of the democrats co-sponsoring that bill tomorrow here on "mtp daily." coming up, we'll dig deeper into that new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. stay with us. this bale of hay cannot be controlled. when a wildfire raged through elkhorn ranch, the sudden loss of pasture

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weekend over blame for the 9/11 attacks in jeb's brother, former president george w. bush, trump calling bush too soft, pathetic and much more all on his twitter page, sparking a response from team bush, including the release of a video questioning trump's readiness to be commander in chief, complete with carnival music. >> donald trump is causing a race toward the bottom. >> it's delusional. mr. trump did not have a firm grasp of what was really going on. >> i will be so good at the military, your head will spin. >> let me tell you, i'm a really smart guy. >> and this is just the latest feud in a race that's already put plenty of the republican party's internal issues into the spotlight. joining me now, senior editor for the national review magazine, and columnist for "the washington post". i said this earlier in the show, seems like donald trump has made a habit of breaking what we think of as the iron laws of

politics and not only getting away with it, but only getting stronger because of it. so here we go abandgain. if you're a republican, you do not attack george w. bush over 9/11. he's now doing that. do you think he's going to get away with it and maybe get stronger because of it? >> well, this certainly is a test of that theory, because this is a line of attack on george w. bush that the democratic left was not successful with, let alone other republicans. and for trump to essentially suggest, even though he's claiming he's not, that george w. bush is somehow to blame for 9/11 and get away with that, would be an amazing occurrence. the jeb bush folks, i don't have any inside information, although my wife does work for bush. they're beating george w. bush is popular among republicans and this is a good fight for them to have. >> we have this new poll and i always add the numbers, trump,

carson, fiorina, throw cruz in there too. you're over 60% of the republican electorate right now is flocking to a candidate who has never held office, or is explicitly running against washington like ted cruz is. it does seem like there's an appetite where -- i don't know if going after bush on 9/11 is too far, but going after the sacred cows of the republican party, there may be good business in there for a candidate. >> it depends on how jeb bush handles it. the problem has been, he's let trump get under his skin and the real argument is that this is an argument of the left, and more importantly that the 9/11 commission itself put much of the blame on the clinton administration, just as republicans argue that clinton is responsible, for example, for the chaos ensuing in libya after the invasion. what he's doing is, rather than attack the real opponents, which are the republicans in this case, i realize he's been a

democrat for some of his years, rather than attacking the democrats, he's attacking sort of standard fare and giving up arguments he may need. whether this makes a difference or not, who knows at this point. i do think the poll numbers are interesting, in that you see carly fiorina floating back down, and you see marco rubio floating upward. i think he's one of the candidates who has a potential to unify the party. conservatives like him. main line moderates like him. he does well with evangelicals as well. so i would keep my eye on that number. he's up, i believe, 10.3% now in your latest poll. he may benefit from this, as the two of them squabble. >> let me follow-up on that. you raised the idea and ramesh did too, that he's using with bush an argument that you would usually hear from the left. it's not the first time that's happened. in a debate, he talked about single-payer health care working well in other countries. there's videotape of him talking about abortion 15 years ago,

talking about taxing the wealthy. all sorts of things you would never hear a republican say. why to this point has that not resonated with a republican base that we hear all the time is only getting more conservative? >> i think it's because his voters aren't all that conservative. if you look at the composition, there are a lot of liberal republicans, moderate republicans. right now, people are associating with him because of his sort of ethos, his language, his rhetoric, his demeanor. and the candidates keep saying, as soon as he finds out that the voters are conservative and the voters figure out that he's not one of them, there will be trouble. they haven't done a very good job of it yet. we'll see whether jeb bush can do this. in the debate, the conversation with the exception of carly fiorina has not been that sharply directed towards him. so it's a question of whether, number one, the candidates themselves take him on directly, making your argument exactly. or whether, for example, some of of the super pacs start running

negative ads against trump. that would be a sign they're very much concerned. >> i want to switch gear and talk about the second-place candidate, ben carson. three points behind trump, very interesting if you add up the first and second choice, we asked people who is the second choice, carson leads trump then. 44-39. and then there's that number. could you see yourself supporting this candidate? ben carson much more popular on that front than any of these other candidates. 3/4 of republicans say, yeah, i could see myself under some circumstance backing ben carson. there's a bit of a mystery about where that strong appeal, where that strong attachment is coming from. i wonder what you think of it. how deep is that support for ben carson? and what is it that he's tapping into? >> well, i think ben carson is a much more traditionally conservative candidate than donald trump is, that he has the same sort of slots that in previous election cycles has been filled by men such as mike huckabee and herman cain and

rick santorum. i think he's got a very strong appeal to evangelical conservatives who admire him as a good man, with a strong christian faith, and who are not necessarily into the usual metrics of executive experience, or having won office as evidenced by some of the other people they've backed in the past. pat robertson being an example. michele bachmann being an example. i don't know if that's the kind of resume that can get you to the finish line of the nomination, but it's certainly possible to have a strong showing in some of these primaries. >> all right, thank you both for joining us. next, we'll get you caught up on the who, what, where, when, and why in today's headlines. including when canadians will find out the future of their government. and later, from bankrupt, to boomtown, chuck checks in with the mayor of detroit to see how that city is recovering from financial crisis. stay tuned. nouncer ] if you don't think "i've still got it"

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involves joe biden. if the vp runs, this will be his third time seeking the presidency. it's a 28-year gap between campaigns. as for the why, that's the longest such period, 28 years, in modern politics, assuming that california governor jerry brown doesn't decide to jump in the race this time around. biden balked at 1984 and 2004, potentially because he always thought he had one more chance down the line. but at age 72 today, 2016 is probably his last chance. up next, we'll get to a how. how republicans are hoping there is more than politics on display during hillary clinton's testimony this thursday, to the house benghazi committee. congressman mo brooks will be here on that, as well as whether paul ryan can unite republicans in the house. but first, hampton pearson with the cnbc market wrap. >> thanks, steve.

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democratic members of the house benghazi committee say the last 17 months of the committee's investigation have been a waste. in a new report le released

today, summarizing 54 interviews and depositions, democrats claim clinton should be exonerated. the report comes ahead of hillary clinton's testimony and just a day after the heads of the committee had these words to say. >> we made a commitment to the families. the families came in with tears in their eyes literally and said please do not make this a political football. that's exactly what's happened. >> we already talk to 50 people not claimed clinton. we'll talk to another docouple dozen people not named clinton. >> one of the members to which gowdy's comments do not pertain, mo brooks of alabama, a member of the house benghazi committee. he joins us now. in the last few weeks, you had kevin mccarthy making those comments about hillary clinton's poll numbers. you had richard hanna, a republican colleague from new york, saying this seems to be about hillary clinton. you have the former committee staffer saying this is targeted

towards hillary clinton. is there so much of a cloud over this investigation right now that you guys are not going to be able to -- whatever you come up with, there will be questions about? >> i'm sure that no matter what comes out, there will be questions with it, because whoever is adversely affected by the truth is always going to try to obfuscate and dodge that truth. it may be that hillary clinton is exonerated, it may be that she's not exonerated. i don't think hillary clinton is the prime minister focus of the investigati -- is the primary focus of the investigation. the focus is what were the americans killed and what can be done to prevent that in the future. we'll see their conclusions, but also the hard evidence that supports the conclusions they reach. >> so you're saying hillary is not the primary focus, but this

recent radio interview, is getting attention. you said, in my judgment, with respect to hillary clinton, shee will be a unique president if elected, because the day she's worn in is the day she's subject to impeachment because of high crimes. talking about benghazi. it sounds from that comment that this is about hillary clinton. >> my comment does not reference benghazi. my comment references the mishandling of top secret information that is designed to better educate our policy-makers on the one hand and it's classified because we don't want our foes to have access to it. that's risking american lives. i come from a community, a district that has a significant number of military commands that involve highly sensitive classified information. and to a person, the people that i've spoken to in my congressional district, whether it be on the government side or the private sector side that handles the classified

documents, tells me that if they had done what hillary clinton has done, they would be fired on the spot and subject to prosecution. so that's what we're talking about, that's not benghazi. that's the failure to properly take care of classified documents -- [ all speak at once ] >> let's be clear. i just want to be clear then on what you're saying. are you saying that she has already in your judgment, committed what would be, if she became president, an impeachable offense? >> in my opinion, yes, sir. the mishandling of these classified documents that put american lives at risk, that put our intelligence sources, whether they be american or foreign, at risk of losing their lives. absolutely. red stone arsenal, huntsville, alabama, we handle classified materials on a regular basis. and what hillary clinton did, that subjected enumerable americans to loss of life -- >> what specifically are you referring to when you're saying the mishandling and exposing americans to the risk of their

lives? what specifically are you saying she did then? >> every single document that she possessed on that computer that was not properly protected, on a private e-mail server, that classified information, the mere existence of it, in an unclassified setting, by definition, subjects people to risk of loss of life. that is why it's classified. it might be in a military setting where we're trying to protect our weapons information so that we have a competitive advantage over our foes should a military conflict break out. it might be the sources of that information where you have spies, for example, that we want to protect. it might be our satellite capabilities. all these things are classified for a very important reason. it's because it's so important that we cannot allow our geo-political foes to get their hands on it, or else a risk of life result. and loss of life results. [ all speak at once ] >> i'm curious, the defense,

thop, th though, that you hear from the clinton side, that things were subsequentlily classified, this will happen in the intelligence world all the time, something is not initially classified and then months or years later, it's marked as classified. >> there's plenty of information that's come out, that did not come through the benghazi committee, whether it came from the fbi, or the executive branch of the white house, i can't say. but there's plenty of information that has reached the public that establishes that a significant number of the documen documents she mishandled were classified. there's no question that she mishandled classified documents and she did so intentionally and that's a criminal offense under the united states code. >> so if she is elected president next year, do you anticipate republicans would take steps to impeach here as soon as she takes office? >> i can't answer that.

if past history is any guide, i would suggest probably the answer is no. inasmuch as president obama has also violated many laws, particularly with respect to immigration, and there have been no impeachment proceedings initiated against barack obama. nor has there been any kind of trial or conviction proceedings in the united states senate. so i would anticipate, and keeping in mind that the filing of articles of impeachment, while it's a legal process, is also a political process, and i suspect that the house of representatives would not act even if someone is subject to impeachment because of high krimz and misdemeanors. that's the way our system has worked in the past and i anticipate that's the way it would work in the future. >> that you for your tink you f. ahead, chuck steps in to check in on the condition of detroit. you're watching "mtp daily."

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back with more "mtp daily," i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. the motor city is trying to get back in gear. more than two years after detroit became the largest city in american history to file for bankruptcy, today michigan's governor took what he is hoping is another step in bringing detroit back from the brink. >> detroit's making a tremendous comeback today. we want to see that continue. and it's important to sustain it for the long-term, to have successful education within the city of detroit. >> the governor said he will ask for $70 million more every year to combat low enrollment, poor achievement and rising debt which are plaguing detroit's schools. it also allows for the closing of low-performing schools. chuck recently took a trip to detroit to see the city's

progress and to talk to some of the people trying to restore the motor city to its former glory. >> detroit, michigan, once seen as the hub of american industry and cultural innovation. spent the second half of the 20th century in a downward trajectory, with a abandoned properties blighting the city, and the population plummeting 25%. finally hitting rock bottom in the summer of 2013. the motor city stalled. detroit becomes the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in u.s. history. now the new mayor, not yet two years into his first term says detroit is on the rebound, and ready to turn the lights back on. literally. >> when you look at your first three promises, picking up the trash, getting lights put in, dealing with blight. give yourself your report card right now. >> yeah, we put up 52,000 street lights in the last year and a half. i think people in this town feel

very good about that. we have sold hundreds of vacant houses on our website, building detroit.org. we moved families in and stabilized neighborhoods. and as of this week, the buses are running on full schedule, which for the people who don't have a car, it's essential to their independence. so i think what's happening, detroit is on the upswing. within two miles of here, it's a six-month wait list to get an apartment or condo. that's never happened in my lifetime. i think a big part of the reason people are coming back, there's opportunity. >> why did it take going over the cliff before every said, let's ban together and do this? >> i'm not a guy who spends a lot of time looking back, so i don't know whether it took going over the cliff, or whether it took a feeling that if i go in there, it's going to succeed. but right now, there's confidence that if you invest in

detroit you're going to be successful. >> in a way, david marin is one of the people investing in detroit. the pulitzer prize winning journalist from "the washington post" to its knees. >> this is about a period in the early 1960s from the fall of '62 to the spring of '64 when detroit was magical. it was when motown was booming. the first motortown review left from right here that fall the same week that the detroit auto show introduced the 1963 cars that sold more than ever before. so you have the middle class, labor, civil rights, cars, and you have motown all coming out of here. at that moment you can see the shadows. >> everybody is in this together. your book feels like a part of that trying to shine this light

on this city. why did it take detroit going over the cliff for everybody to wake up? >> for a lot of different reasons having to do with race and feelings about urban america and people caring a lot about it and blaming it for its own problems. i think that somewhere in the last year, it's gone from being the symbol of the city of ruin to the symbol of the city of hope. and that's -- you know, there's a lot of intractable problems here. even as they are redeveloping parts of detroit, there's nuances to how you do that and how it deals with the people left behind. you always, you have to bring everybody along in the city to make it really work. i think that's the central lesson of detroit which the leaders now are trying to deal with, as difficult as that is. >> mayor mike duggan does have a difficult task. >> i ran for office and fighting with everybody was poor strategy. it was the mayor against the

governor, the mayor against the legislature, city council, unions and that conflict was taking detroit down. people elected me feeling i could build partnerships. i've got a partnership not just with the governor but republican leadership in the house and senate and city council. i don't spend a lot of time on the issues that divide us. i spend my time on the issues where we have common ground and have been able to pass major pieces of legislation. >> there are signs detroit actually is on the rebound. unemployment rate has fallen to 6.2% and population loss is actually starting to slow. property values, going up in areas where the city tackled blight. people are rooting for detroit, including vice president joe biden who visited last month. >> this is a city that innovated, a city with the most reliable workers in the world. a city that helped build america. you are about to start a new era

doing that again. >> the motor city is slowly starting to rev its engines again. >> in the lid we are going to cap off the day's political headlines including which candidates are spending the most cash on the campaign trail. stay tuned.

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iowa and sent shock waves around the race for his policies. people said his burn rate may have been to blame. he spent 87% of what he brought in a, according to a report from "the new york times." third quarter numbers are out for the candidates left in the race. we see how the finances stack up. huge numbers aren't always translating in the polls. nick, you follow this stuff closely. want to put the republican numbers on the screen. this is how much they spent over the last three months, july, august, september. this is all the candidates including hillary clinton. what jumps out at me here though is jeb bush. jeb bush on the republican side, the money is so interesting because he came into this race with this promise of shock and awe. they were going to raise so much money it was going to be like his brother in 2000. we look at these numbers from the third quarter.

he spent what he took in and is in fourth place on the republican side in terms how much he has left. >> that's right. the burn rates across the board were very high. what is striking about this list, scott walker's burn rate was not much higher than hillary clinton or marco rubio or jeb bush. hillary clinton can probably keep raising that money. scott walker couldn't and jeb bush and marco rubio are showing signs of con distribution on their cash flow. if you can't keep up with the overhead, it's dangerous. if they can't bring those numbers back up next quarter, they are going to be out of business financially. >> on the democratic side, you've got hillary clinton right now sitting on $30 million. bernie sanders sitting on $30 million and joe biden is sitting on the sidelines. do i get in this race or not. what is his potential? what would he need to raise to be competitive with them, and can he do that? >> you think both those numbers, the two $30 million would be

enough to keep him out. joe biden does not have a national fund-raising base. he never did he was elected to the senate from delaware, a teeny state. always huge margins. it was never required to build out that infrastructure. he's run for president a couple of times before. once seriously in 2008 and lesser 20 years earlier, he never developed those ties. that's one huge reason for joe biden not to get in at this point. we are hearing he is still seriously considering it though. no bets are off. he could figure out a way to raise enough to keep him in the game. he is the vice president of the united states. >> bush has that super pac, rubio has the big super pac. are we reassessing how big a role they are going to play? >> to some extent. you have to have some cash in your own account. you can't outsource everything in the super pac. they are very important. i think we'll see just how important in the months ahead as they fund air barrages and gets

dirtier and anger. how much money do you have to have? you have to have some of your own and it's got to be like $10 million to $12 million a quarter. >> thanks for joining us. we are going to be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." richard wolffe picks up our coverage next. right now on msnbc live, donald trump versus jeb bush. the back and forth over 9/11. george w. bush, america's national security and which candidate has the temperament to be commander in chief? joe biden could decide whether he's in or out in the next 48 hours. that's just hours before hillary clinton testifies before the benghazi committee. awkward timing? just maybe. and voters to the north heading to the polls today. will canada keep a leader called anti-muslim and a climate change denier? hello, i am richard wolffe. we start with