i did not ask for this. >> i did. a thousand times. for my 47 boys. >> michigan state was hurt. anyhow. here we are. >> did we see the paper last night? >> didn't see it yet. >> i have to suffer through this. >> here we go. >> yeah. what is this? >> turn it up. ♪ >> the dark side. the jedi.

the rail. >> the force. it's calling to you. just let it in. >> just let it in, willie. just let it in. that's some heavy stuff. >> now we got to wait two months. >> we got to wait two months. they have a scene with harrison ford and they ask is it real? oh, it's real. >> i cannot believe it. i just can't stand it. >> unbelievable chills. >> so stupid. >> stop, stop. you're banned from this set. >> i am not. >> i'm super excited. >> super excited. >> costumes and weird people.

>> is the bible stupid? >> just stop it. >> "grapes of wrath." >> i said you don't understand. it's shakespeare. she said shakespeare is kind of stupid too. >> i did not. >> there are certain elements of shakespeare that's stupid. good morning, everyone. >> i wonder what it s-actually. >> tuesday, october 20th. >> such a part of our lives that when i hear the music rising there at the end and i hear hans solo voice, it's the biggest movie ever. i get chills. it is such a part other than the brzezinski on their polish hillbilly farm, this is such -- i'm dead serious. let me finish and i'll let you

say what you want to say later. >> at 10:30. >> this is an important fabric of our culture and life. >> the fun part is watching with your kids. bring all six of them and they love it too. now when he hears the music he goes on itunes, the song he puts on is dark vader's march. it's passed on to generations. you're worried a little bit based on the last movie but in j.j. abrams hands this will be good. >> then you wonder why things are the way it is. so as you can see we have the political writer for "new york times." nicholas in washington. and associate editor of "the washington post" and political analyst eugene robinson. >> i'm excited about the trailer. how amazing.

>> how strong with the force gene is. >> you're excited too. you're excited because you got a couple of boys and you guys grew up watching this. and my boys grew up watching this. we get-together this weekend, my 7-year-old, my 27-year-old, my 24-year-old, all the boys. what are we talking about? all weekend, "star wars." >> are we good? can we do the news? that would being a great. >> got something better than "star wars." >> how about hillary clinton doing a southern accent. did you see that yesterday? >> we got that. >> unbelievable. you feel like saying mama, give me some flap jacks. we'll play it later. she goes it wasn't a recession, it was almost a depression. >> okay. unbelievable.

she's veep. >> i suggest you don't say that and i suggest you just show it, okay -- >> i'll let it speak. >> donald trump has led in every major election poll of the republican primary for the last 99 days and yesterday he hit a new high. >> it's over. >> he should consider stepping out. i bet nick thinks its time. in the nbc/wall street journal poll, 25% of republican primary voters back trump. oh, my god, nick it's over. ben carson is at 22% within margin of error. marco rubio is at 13% and senator ted crews is at 9%. jeb bush is at 8%. carly fiorina drops to sixth with 7%. >> first all donald trump

highest number he's ever been at. hasn't plateaued. ben carson stick it out again. proving once again the media knows nothing. on the tail of a couple of horrific marco rubio stories that said the end is here from marco rubio. marco rubio now starting to jump in front in quite a few polls. i haven't seen it statewide. that's when you can tell it means something. but marco rubio is now starting to distance himself as the establishment front-runner. >> the interesting thing for rubio, unlike his establishment competitors, jeb bush, john kasich, part of the reason he has potential, so much potential is he actually plays in both lanes. he has establishment support and using the original creature of the tea party in florida. he can play the establishment game. a lot of people are looking at him as the guy who could emerge

as the anti-trump, anti-carson whatever you want to call it. >> there's some great stuff to get to as well but these polls are interesting. three quarters say they can see themselves supporting ben carson in the race. trump gained enormous ground since he got in the race in june when only 32% of republicans could see themselves supporting himself and 66% said they could not. on the flip side jeb bush has seen a decline in support slipping from his june high of 75% saying they could support him to 51%. >> the bush team just, they've got to be asking themselves, what the hell is going on out there. >> when you showed that number and the previous overall number what else can you say about trump and carson? they are both a phenomenon. marco's rise and jeb bush sitting right there and we have another poll in the state of

florida where he was a governor, effective governor, he's in fourth place in florida at 9% behind trump, carson and marco rubio, of course the senator there. for jeb bush florida has got to be his country. >> jeb bush, i'll say it again, gene robinson in the state of florida, when jeb bush was governor, people are sick and tired of me saying it, he was the strongest governor. i had four guest from the state of florida at my house a couple of weeks ago. i asked all four of them. a focus group. not political people. who are you voting for. trump. trump. trump. and then the fourth i think said carson. i said what about marco. not thinking about him. what about jeb. he was your governor. you loved jeb. they all say the same thing. he's not the same guy he was. >> well that's what i'm hearing too. friends of mine in florida were

big jeb supporters and told me before the race how jeb was going to come in, take the whole thing, he was going to be terrific. in fact, he hasn't been terrific. and people who knew him back then in florida are puzzled and disappointed built resigned at this point that it ain't happening. >> i want to do a little self-promotion because anybody who is interested in politics must going to bloombergpolitics.com and read an interview that sasha did with mike murphy. mike has been a close adviser to jeb bush and running jeb bush's super p.a.c. he speaks at length about the theory of the case as to why jeb is in fine shape. mike murphy. it's more than mike has spoken on the record in all of 2015. >> we like mike. but do you buy it? >> i leave it to everybody to

read and make a determination. it is the case, the best version of the case they can make. joe, this quote is for you. for you and mika both. what he says of trump, he's dead politically. he'll never be president of the united states ever. by definition i don't think you can be a front-runner if you're totallily unelectable. i think there's an a-priori logic problem in that. >> did he say that six months ago or saying it now? >> last week. last week. this is an interview in the last few days. >> mike murphy if he's saying that is that japanese soldier in 1952 on an isolated island in his own republican party, the most powerful, the most influential, most insightful republicans in the past generation are saying to me privately on the phone, oh, my

god, donald trump could not only win this thing, we don't know how to stop him from winning this thing. if i were mike i would be saying the same thing too, but he's alone and isolated in that opinion. in the republican party. >> in that poll, right? there's information that shows trump is becoming seen more as a possible actual front-runner and candidate and nominee. >> i will tell you this, jeb bush has a problem. and jeb bush's problem please, i love you guys in bush land. jeb bush has a problem. jeb bush's problem is not donald trump. jeb bush's problem is jeb bush. you all need to do 7,000 word interviews on why jeb bush is mad as hell at the republican establishment and what he's going to do to change it. it's not trump that's in his way it's jeb that's in his way. >> with all that as the

backdrop, donald trump continued his feud with jeb bush yesterday over the 9/11 terror attacks. yesterday morning trump tweeted quote, jeb is fighting to defend a catastrophic event. i'm fighting to make sure it doesn't happen again. jeb is too soft. we need tougher and sharper. bush responded last night. >> his view of history is just wrong. the simple fact is that when we were attacked my brother created an environment wherefore 2,600 days we were safe. nobody attacked us again. he changed laws. united the country and kept us safe. a tip of hat to that and moving on to what the threats are today is what we should focus on. >> what's your take on that? >> donald trump has proven time and time again he's gotten under jeb bush's skin. in october of 2015, the way jeb

bush and these people think the way to win is litigating the question of george w. bush and 9/11. it's not a world where i can understand how where jeb bush wants to be. >> this is the new debate and if you looked at news last night, you had one channel taking one side, one channel taking another on whether george w. bush made us safe. >> right. i think the argument is that it did happen on his watch. this is nothing untruthful about that. and that taking us into two wars and one that is endless and still going on now is not making us safer. that's the argument. that's the brilliance of going there, whether it's nasty or not. buzz feed dug up an old quote from donald trump talking about

a large scale terror attack 19 months before 9/11. in its 2000 book the america we deserve trump wrote i really am convinced we're in danger of the terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the 1993 trade center look like little kids playing with firecrackers. trump mentioned the mastermind of the attack. writing quote one day we're told shadowy figure with no fixed addressed named osama bin laden is public enemy number one and jet fighters lay waste to his camp in afghanistan. he escapes back to under a rock and a few news cycle later it's on to a new enemy and new crisis. >> itwait, wait. is this really trump before 9/11? did you make this up? nick tell us it's over. >> will you stop. god. >> it's over.

>> what's the rage. >> it's cute. >> so, willie, that was 2000. >> a book he wrote in 2000. >> he could have written it in 1999. >> he predicted basically the attacks from osama bin laden. >> we've had the world trade bombings in '93. the embassy bombing in '98. the cole as well. osama bin laden was in the atmosphere and he wrote about it in the book. >> so, you know, we could debate and everybody is debating did he make us safer or not? the fact, though, nick, i want to follow up on what john and willie have been saying, the fact we're debating this in october with iowa right around the corner is such bad news for jeb bush, and i got to say

politically, i think seriously it may be donald trump's most brilliant move in pulling jeb bush back in to having to defend a disastrous war in iraq, and eight years of foreign policy that is a weakness for george w. in his own party. >> look, it's three months out from the first caucus, and bush's campaign is a long running defense of his brother's administration. it's not about the future. it's not about florida. his whole point is i'm a proven leader, i cut taxes in florida. not hearing about any of that. we're hearing about 9/11. >> godzilla just got jolted with some more electricity. what do you think? >> bad move to jolt him with electricity. he gets stronger. you know there are other polls

coming out today showing him way ahead. he's really a phenomenon and i think this -- i agree with you that it's absolutely brilliant for him to have taken us back to 9/11 and to not just because he's getting under jeb bush's skin because he frankly raises important questions as mika said. what about the stuff george w. bush did. for republicans it brings back the whole list of reasons why a lot of conservatives didn't like george w. bush that much because guess what? those wars cost a trillion dollars. >> we're still in them. >> and money that we didn't have that was done off the books, wasn't honestly accounted for and contributed to the deficit problem we have now. so, it's really smart, and once again here he goes. >> willie it cuts the republican

party right in half. the neo-cons versus the traditional republicans who have always been about restraint in foreign policy. certainly we were in the 1990s and you had people certainly from 2005, 2006, george will, whether it's george will or -- i don't know. i could name five others. i want to name some other people before i name myself. there were a lot of us that were talking about the military venturism certainly after 2005 or so and the party literally was split down the middle. >> criticism from trump to jeb bush got under the skin of a lot of bush people. they say he's pedaling michael moore conspiracy theories. yes there were intelligent failures for a decade before. you can put it on bill clinton. but there's no denying as donald trump found this weakness that george wish was the one in

office when 9/11 happened and that people see that and hear that, they respond to it. again it brings jeb bush back to a time where he doesn't want to be. he would love to get out from his name and his brother. >> a democrat would make this argument ten years ago. donald trump is winning saying this. >> i didn't articulate myself very clearly. what makes this doubly difficult for jeb bush is it's tea party types, rand paul types, ted crews types, from my wing of the party types on foreign policy. the very people that do not want to vote for a bush, that this message appeals to which is sort of the anti-neo-con. >> i think there was a glib assessment by a lot of people who said jeb bush's last name, his association with his brother, the whole thing, that would be a problem for him if he got to a general election. it wouldn't be a problem for him

in the republican primary because, you know, george bush popular among republicans still. if he can get the nomination he'll deal with that next year and it's turned out not just now but throughout from the very beginning when he was asked that question about whether, if we knew then what we know now, would he have invade iraq and he stufbled around that. that was six months ago. six months later still having this conversation and it's in a republican primary. >> you know what he can't say. you know what his biggest problem is. i was at an event the other day and sitting there talking and talking about a book and a guy asks me, you know, why do you think that trump and carson are leading in your party? he was seeing me as this bastion of the republican establishment. i said because the republican party in washington, d.c. has lied to its base for 20 years now and the chickens are coming home to roost.

we're sick and tired of them lying to us. we're sick and tired that they are going to cut our taxes. we're sick and tired of them telling us they will balance the budget. we're tired of being lied to and we don't trust anybody in washington. you know what they say? you're exactly right. now, the reason i said that is because jeb can't say that about his own brother. he's like even tangled up trying to defend his own brother on easy stuff. but the republican establishment in washington, d.c. has lied to the base for 20 years. jeb unfortunately is tied up in that. >> this is where we are today. nick, i picked on you. what's your assessment of donald trump -- >> is this an olive branch. >> it's an olive branch. if you're writing the story today -- just because i think

you had -- he's winning in the polls and you laughed in a scoffing way. >> i disagree with you about the handling of that one question. i said on this show and i said before look he's the front-runner. you can't lose by losing if you're a different candidate. i'm fascinated by ben carson. the ben carson phenomenon is even more exciting and interesting. he doesn't have the personality of a donald trump. >> he's not as famous. >> what is the source of his appeal and his strength in this primary? he's doing very well. raising a lot of money from grassroot supporters. >> the more i learn about ben carson the more impressed i am by his ability to actually win an early primary state. this is something that we talk about. name a state marco wins. that's hard to do.

i can tell you right now and donald won't like this, if the election is held today it's even money between donald trump and ben carson in iowa. i can't say anybody else would be close to donald trump. you look at carson's organization. iowa right now, history, ben carson has a great chance. they are doing stuff on the ground, doing stuff with micro targeting. got more contributors. you look at the fundamentals of blocking and tackling of politics. it's hard to find anybody in the republican party that in iowa, at least, has blocking and tackling. with carson, one of the great irony, trump and carson, these two wild cards are building organizations in iowa. >> we have to end this discussion. we have to look at pete winter's piece today in the "new york times" on ben carson. on the nazi rhetoric. must discuss. >> some of the things he said,

willie, about nazis and americans -- >> must discuss. >> really nails it. >> no question he continues as trump does to confound beltway people. you look at these polls 74% of republicans think he's electable as president. >> let's continue to be confounded after the break. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i'm confounded not only how rude you are to nick and yoda. >> "star wars" is stupidity beyond -- >> oh, my god, mika. >> we have a real problem. we'll take it up and see if there's any way that the police can arrest mika for saying such things in manhattan and we'll talk to new york city police commissioner mike bratton. i hope he's a "star wars" fan. hugh hewitt will discuss what's

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>> i have a rabbit in the living room. >> you have 47 cats. i read stories about you on drudge. >> okay. so let's move on. hillary clinton spent some time in hoover, alabama over the weekend where she reconnected with her southern roots. >> there is a pattern of republicans getting us into economic messes and democratic presidents having to come in and clean them up. now i know these are inconvenient facts for your republican friends and neighbors, but the truth is president obama doesn't get the credit he deserves for saving the american economy from falling into a great depression. i'm also running for president because i think every child deserves a world class early childhood education. my mission as president will be to make sure we create more good jobs and we start raising incomes for hard-working folks

in america again. >> all right. new polling suggests hillary clinton's lead in the democratic field is slightly up following last week's debate. our new nbc/wall street journal poll shows clinton up seven points since september. she's now ahead of bernie sanders 29-49%. joe biden is far back in third. 38% of democratic primary voters would prefer the vice president didn't run while just 30% say he should. meanwhile when biden is removed as an option, clinton claims a clear majority and her lead over sanders goes from 20 points to 25. >> what's your latest reporting on joe biden? >> i've given up. >> you can't guess. >> at this point all the conversation -- i don't believe in the reporting i read. i don't think -- at this point it's down to him in a deeply personal, deeply psychological emotionally fraught way. all the political arguments have

been made. it doesn't matter. how hillary did in the debates matter. how she does in the hearings on thursday doesn't matter. you have toultly do the final gut check. if he called me this morning and say i'll get into at noon i wouldn't believe him because by noon he would change his mind. >> based on the reporting he's telling people he's getting into the race. at the firefighters union he's getting into trees. we heard joe biden calling and saying i'm going to get in the race. i'm with you, john. >> until the moment i hear him announce it, not that i don't believe reports the of him saying these things are true, i think he's been so emotionally wraugt for the last couple of months and people say he's gone back and forth repeatedly for the last eight weeks. so -- >> which actually goes to what we heard in the bloomberg news. if he can't make up his mind he shouldn't run.

>> up look at that poll, 30% of democrats think he should get into trees. that's a pretty telling number. hillary clinton who was up slightly, she's up seven points since the debate. bernie is down six. that's a 13-point jump against bernie sanders. she's shown now after the defwiet be a strong front runner. joe biden sees only 30% of democrats wants him in the race. it's personal. we've seen these stories for weeks. a congressman came out yesterday saying i have it on good authority he's getting in the race. >> all the politics going on with it and if he decides not to run he's effectively saying my career is now over. that's a very hard thing for anyone to ever say and for anyone to say who has been doing nothing but run for office since 1972. >> since she was 29 years old. lifestyle wise i don't see how he doesn't do it. >> yeah. >> lifestyle wise, knowing -- >> he doesn't know how to do

anything but run. >> how does he go back home to the ranch and watch his kids soccer games. >> 2013 says the same thing. he's thinking of running might get in. been a very long time he's been thinking about it. >> once he makes that decision not to run, the door closes. and you're there. i mean he wants to be with his kids and grandkids. if what's you do, you're exactly right. if this is what you do, like we said yesterday, why your father gets on planes to mongolia by himself at 87 years of age, why he goes to china, why he's going -- >> why my mother works with a chain saw -- >> what's your mother, 82. >> 83. >> 83 years old. >> travels around. huge sculptures. seriously. >> it's what we do. by the way, greatest ad over the past six months has been that

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because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. well, joining us for the must read opinion pages, amy holmes. welcome back. >> so this is what john was talking about. >> this is why ben carson is not seeing analogies matter. self-government requires more of people than pounding sand. there is vital work that needs to be done because these things are hard. doesn't mean we can give up. and we certainly don't need conspiracy-minded amateurs like mr. carson and mr. trump distracting our attention from them. politics isn't meant to be a catharsis. i get that it may be emotionally satisfying to cheer on rhetoric

like give me liberty or give me death and stating that america under barack obama is like germany under adolf hitler. but it is also intellectually discrediting, politically self-defeating and unworthy of those who are citizens of a great republic. >> to say america is very much like a nazi germany is a special kind of libel. he goes down to america is nazi germany -- that's what i'm saying. this is about ben carson. that is almost disqualifying in and itself to me. >> should me. >> speet a very serious guy and commentator.org they have been writing very consistently against donald trump and now more so against ben carson and nazi analogy and david fromm has

been all over ben carson. i don't think ben carson is saying president obama is hitler, the comparison he was trying to make when it comes to the second amendment had to do with guns and gun ownership and it's something you see a lot. >> he's been saying things like this for some time. united states is very much like nazi germany. he compared obamacare which i opposed from the very beginning and still oppose and think it's genuinely bad for this country, he compared to it slavery. he said it's the worse thing that's happened in this nation since slavery. >> when asked specifically how to understand what is happening to america in the obama era he says you should read mein comp. >> this is obnoxious and crazy talk is what is it.

i think it's disqualifying for ben carson because if he really thinks that, if he thinks this is nazi germany we're living in, then that's a huge problem. why is this resonating with people? why aren't people just rejecting him out of hand because of this? icon fess-- i confess i don't k. i get my head around the donald trump phenomenon. difficult for me to understand the ben carson phenomenon given the stuff he says. when you bring out the nazi analogies and slavery analogies, there's something wrong. >> i agree that it's wild and irresponsible but to say you don't understand why it's resonating, that there's a group of voters that are, you know, putting their support behind donald trump and ben carson who do feel the state is working against them. who do feel that the state is taking over private decisions like health care, like gun

ownership and that's what ben carson are tapping into. we can all say it's wild, irresponsible, it should be disqualifying. >> it is wild. >> why isn't there an establishment figure that's intellectually nimble enough to make arguments going to crude third insults. >> you guys were discussing marco rubio he makes similar analysis without all of the wild crude as you would say metaphors. >> let's be clear when you invoke nazi germany you're invoke a regime that slaughtered 6 million jews. that's what people hear when they hear nazi, when you compare america to nazi germany. there's no place, no reality that we live in in which america is anything like a country which 6 million jews were sent to the gas chambers. i think that's the objectionable

part about this. to say yes, of course, many people in america think government is too big. >> it goes well beyond that. >> that's fine. but if there's any american who thinks president obama is analogous to adolf hitler that person is out to lunch. >> or for that matter, analogous to slavery. that's not obamacare. that's crazy. >> you know what else is crazy? >> what else? >> we haven't even talked about canada's elections. >> up next -- >> you don't want to talk about that. >> former president george w. bush is calling out a republican candidate by name and it's not the one bringing up 9/11. mike allen explained which gop contender doesn't sit well with the former commander-in-chief. we'll being right back with more

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tell us about george w. bush's feud with one of his brother's republican rivals. you would think it would be donald trump. >> it's not. this is juicy. remember when they were hiding george w. bush. now he's done four fundraisers for his brother in less than a month. one of them was sunday night in denver and politico found out what the president said. he said that the candidate who really gets under his skin, who he thinks is a threat to jeb in texas and the south and really bugs him is someone who used to work for him. ted cruz used to work on the bush campaign. george w. bush told these donors i just don't like the guy and seemed to be opportunistic and judged his brother running in continuing the family history of service. and he said it really annoys him he's made an alliance when trump

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the battle fronts showing that iran is really getting involved in damascus and all along syria along with russia. this is a state basically being run or at least protected by russia and iran. what's the impact of that hugh? >> well, he has shown up in a propaganda blitz orchestrated by teheran in syria and lebanon and of course in iran. he went to russia to meet with putin and there's a concern growing even within iran that he's becoming a cut of a personality and rallying a big front across the shia world against the sunni world with israel standing off on the side saying what in the world is going on here and our sunni friends becoming deeply concerned. >> you know, i think though hugh if you look at it, talk about law of unintended consequences, i actually think the longer barrack obama is in office the more he deserves that noble

peace prize because he has done more to bring israel and arabs together than any other president since jimmy carter because you talk whether you talk to leaders in egypt or saudi arabia or the uae or anywhere in the gulf they tell you they have to align with israel because of what barrack obama and iran agreed to. >> they are in either cold or lukewarm alliance with israel now against the shia offensive that russia is a part of. so i wouldn't give him the noble peace prize for doing that joe because it's bringing two mega alliances into direct conflict but it's very charismatic very competent leader. >> let's get to politics. donald trump has lead in every major national poll of the republican primary for the last

99 days and yesterday he hit a new high in the nbc news wall street journal poll. 25% of republican primary voters backed trump while ben carson is at 22% within the margin of error. senator marco rubio is in third place at 13% with senator ted cruz up four points to 9%. jeb bush remains in 5th place at 8%. >> there's another poll this morning from cnn that shows almost identical numbers there. it has marco not doing quite as well there. as you look at these numbers, as you look at the staying power of donald trump and ben carson, what's your reaction? >> in the wall street journal nbc poll there's an amazing graph. only four candidates have gone up every month. month to month in that poll. donald trump, ben carson, ted cruz and marco rubio. they have each increased month to month over the last four months.

other people have gone up and down. carly went up and fell back a little bit. kasich has gone up and fell back a little bit but those four have each climbed a step on the stairs each month. that tells me that's where the momentum is and debate coming up next week. i'll be back for the december 15th debate on cnn. there's a lot going on but those four managed to put together the runs which people should be looking at. >> you look at what we just showed, the graphic for people driving in their car or listening to sirius xm donald trump has been on top for 99 days. >> it gives to many people's comments along the way that this was a summer fling or the anlage with hermann cain or michelle bauchmann. they did occupy for periods of time but usually for a month and they fell back away. donald trump, whatever he is

whether he's ultimately the nominee or not, he's not hermann cain or michelle bauchmann. >> here's what you brought up last hour. in a rare interview, mike murphy t head of jeb bush's super pack tells bloomberg politics he's looking ahead into the late winter to pull ahead. he cited the timing of ohio, florida, illinois, north carolina and in the interview he said they never wanted front runner status calling it a paper crown. >> oh, good lord. >> he added they take a bunch of meaningless polls and if donald trump or a kardashian or whatever jumps in and they say now you're not the front runner. he said trump has created a false zombie front runner. he's dead politically. he'll never be president of the united states ever. by definition i don't think you can be a front runner if you're totally un-electable.

>> we have all heard people saying this. i said last hour mike murphy, he is alone in the republican establishment believing that donald trump cannot win because everybody i talk to in the republican establish now fear that donald trump may, in fact, win. should this be a concern if he really believes this? that jeb bush and his team still don't understand the threat of a guy in first place for 99 days? >> everyone should read steven harper this morning. the people are never wrong. and if you have been in office for ten years and you have an old name, the people of canada just showed us that hillary clinton and jeb bush have the same problem that steven harper did which is people get bored with folks that have been around for a long time. everyone should take notice. donald trump, ben carson, ted cruz and marco rubio are new

names and they're the ones rising and david brooks this morning says say hello to president cruz because what david is doing is looking at the rule set when are each primary held and how cruz is building his momentum very carefully to the sec primary. john kasich is going to win ohio on march 15th and probably michigan on march 8th. this will go a long time. but michael murphy is putting on a false bravato there. they have to be worried in bush hand. >> i guess he has to do that. we were talking last hour also bob costa about i think it's ironic you have these two outciders, ben carson and donald trump seen as these wildcards and we're used to them shooting to the top for a couple of weeks and getting a lot of press and not having roots built in. tell us about ben carson and

donald trump and how they're building -- i can't believe what kind of operation ben carson is building out in iowa. they are building established campaign apparatus aren't they? >> it'ss a sounding. you see a huge difference because carson has a grass roots network in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina that's so enthusiastic about him. not really coordinated from the carson campaign. trump has the same thing. rick santorum's advisor going around the state trying to get people to sign up in a grass roots day. they don't need to sustain the momentum like the others did when they got their burst. >> the feud continues and that's over the issue of the 9/11 terror attacks.

yesterday morning trump tweeted this, jeff is fighting to defend a catastrophic event. i'm fighting to make sure that it doesn't happen again. jeb is too soft. we need tougher and sharper. bush responded last night. >> his view of history is just wrong. the simple fact is that when we were attacked by brother created an environment where for 2,600 days we were safe. no one attacked us again and he changed the laws and did everything necessary and united the country and kept us safe and just a tip of a hat to that and moving on to the threats today is what we ought to be focused on. >> he's hurting himself. >> no, the low energy candidate is again -- trump defining somebody -- whether trump wins or loses or goes out tomorrow or not campaign consul tanlts will be looking at what donald trump has done to jeb bush.

he has debound him. he's called him the low energy candidate. jeb made the foolish mistake of responding. now he's saying jeb is too soft. jeb is responding to that. at some point they're going to get it but they may get it when it's too late. it's amazing trump knows how to get under jeb's skin and jeb always takes the bait. >> he's a great needler. >> but he's needling -- >> but with jeb he found that soft spot -- i don't want to say soft spot but he found the place where he just gets right in there and jeb goes after him. mike murphy to go back to an earlier topic, mike murphy had one little quote in the washington post where he said he is not our problem. he's somebody else's problem. we'll worry about donald trump down the line. that message seemed to me that

he was trying to send a message to miami to say don't worry about trump. we'll get to trump later if he's stl around. he just can't not rise to the bait and it's not to his advantage to be having this argument about his brother's legacy in october of 2015. >> it pains his critics to admit it. he's really smart and he's a good strategist and he knows what he's doing. he finds a weakness and hammers it. whether it's low energy or you sweat too much or your brother. >> jeb is too soft. that's his argument. >> suspend the fall talking about his record. >> jeb's campaign. >> as a conservative governor with a real record and instead we're talking about something that happened 15 years ago in his brothers administration. >> his brother took the bait.

if his brother hadn't taken the bait we wouldn't talk about it but bob costa, jump always knows how to make jeb take the bait. >> i sat down with trump's campaign manager and trump six months ago and he said our number one rival we have to take out is jeb bush. this isn't just fun for trump. this is the core of his strategy. he wanted a man to man race against bush and before he became the favorite. >> you pick your enemy in campaigns. people hate when i talk about the first time i ran, i wasn't supposed to win. nobody knew who i was. republican hadn't opinion elected in the district since 1873. i didn't focus on my republican opponent or democratic incoup incumbent. everything went back to clinton. i never mentioned my opponent's

name once. and that's exactly what trump has brilliantly decided to do with jeb bush and i have said it, has politically deboned jeb bush and bush's people won't tell him to stop taking the bait. >> on friday there will be a moment to do for any republican what you did in your first race. the day after the benghazi hearing which we should talk about all the republicans are going -- all the lawyers are going to be very careful about that. the day after bush and every other republican should be focused on the former secretary of state, they ought to shift from donald trump on friday and focus on hillary clinton. >> hugh, here's the problem with that. jeb bush's response makes things

worse. he should have said something like there wasn't an attack since 9/11. my brother prevented another attack. something more accurate but he kept us safe is debatable as we sit here still at war. >> that's why we should change the subject. >> i cringed for him when he said it. >> that's the one thing he never does. it's easy to do a dismissive remark and tell i don't you and bin laden you guys believe that so you go off in the corner and talk about that. we'll talk about how to keep america safe for the next ten years and you just go on. he's going to flip it off and then move forward but he can't do it. i don't know why. it's maddening. >> buzz feed dug up an old quote from donald trump. it's worth mentioning talking about a large scale terror attack. in his 2000 book the america we

deserve trump wrote i'm convinced we're in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the 1993 world trade center look like kids playing with fire crackers. trump also mentioned the mastermind of the attack wieting one day we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named osama bin laden is public enemy number one and he escapes back under some rock and a few news cycles later it's on to a new enemy and a new crisis. trump reacted saying see the attack very possibly could have been stopped. we need real leadership and vision. >> while that's debatable on whether the attack could have been stopped and we don't know, pretty remarkable prediction by donald trump. >> that's pretty amazing i don't know who meped trump with that

book. we should look that up. >> stop that. you're just super charging godzilla even more. >> people can't help themselves. >> i came out with that anlage. >> i know you are. >> but one thing he said there was wrong. if you want to go into could george w. bush have stopped 9/11? the prn to blame for that is the hijackers and the people to blame are the terroristsened not the public official who is are trying to keep us safe so 9/11 did happen on his watch. rather than the officials trying their best whether they succeeded or failed. >> by the way, again -- >> same with benghazi by the

way. let's blame the terrorists that killed our ambassador and not the secretary of state that tried to prevent it. >> we are debating this morning because jeb bush responded to donald trump's attacks. >> my brother kept us safe. >> pulled jeb bush off of his game. you have reporting on what's happening with paul ryan. obviously the republican caucus in washington d.c. in disarray. but what is your reporting? is paul ryan going to do it? >> it's been a quite week over the recess. the republicans return to the capital tonight. a special conference meeting. no staff allowed and ryan is said to signal he's inclined to do it but she wants his conservatives with him. he only wants to do it if everyone is with him on the

floor vote. >> any reporting on what the freedom caucus is thinking about doing? >> they're with daniel webster from florida but they're open to having discussion with ryan. ryan doesn't want to make too many promises. he wants to lead in his own way and set his own agenda without constantly worrying about the right flank. >> thank you very much. >> paul ryan is playing this so smart. he is going to end up being speaker and there's a chance he won't but i think the likelihood is he will be and the way that he's done this with this reluctance and making the caucus come to him, if he ends up as speaker it will be on terms that will allow him to get a lot of work done. >> and hugh hewitt i don't want to speak for you but i would guess knowing everything i know about you this is about as good as it gets for speaker. >> best news we could possibly have tonight coming out of that

meeting that they reported on is that paul ryan got a standing ovation that he will be the replace lt for john boehner in a week. >> that would be great. >> still ahead, new york police commissioner will be here on set. plus jeff daniels with his new film on the life of steve jobs. up next, there's trouble to care for american veterans continues as does the fight in afghanistan. joe kline is here with his new book about the heros that brought their mission home. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back.

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about veterans and post-traumatic stress and suicides. that's part of the story. those stories are real but i saw our troops governing these towns, especially in afghanistan and i had the sense that they were going to come back with a new skill set and pointed toward public service and so charlie mike is the story of two guys we know pretty well that have been on this show, eric from the mission continues and jake wood from team rubicon that were united by a strategy which was the suicide of clay hunt who was jake's best friend and both eric and jake came back and started great public service organizations that are doing real good throughout this country and i think that they're emotions b part of a larger group of kids that will come into american

politics and be real leaders. the contrast between these guys and howell put together they are and some of the folks who are running for president right now couldn't be more stark. >> so joe, obviously when the vets return after the war they obviously changed this country forever. what is happening though with the men and women coming back who at 26, 27 years old were running cities in iraq and afghanistan? are those skill sets, those remarkable skill sets of running a down under the worse of circumstances. >> it's amazing. >> is that translating? or do we have success stories of this translating to board rooms? translating to city councils. >> they're becoming a huge presence on wall street and they're very entrepreneurial these kids. the marine captain won his seat for congress north of boston.

eric who we all know has been on this show is running for governor of missouri as a republican. as a pro gay rights pro immigration reform republican. these guys are coming into the system and their impact is going to be pretty dramatic i think. >> let me ask you a question which is not about your book which looks incredible. >> thank you. >> let me ask you about the benghazi hearing on thursday. hillary clinton is going to get up there, put aside the question of the e-mail and the e-mails, is there any question about benghazi that you as a foreign policy and national security expert as a journalist want to see answered. is there any unanswered question? >> no, there's a larger issue of howdy employee mats and my son is a diplomat. he's a friend of chris stevens, how how diplomats are protected and it's important for them to be

able to be out among the people. benghazi, most of the questions have been answered. i think that we haven't heard enough about the fact that this was a cia station there. not so much a conciliate and those guys should be able to protect themselves in most circumstances. >> so then what is your 30 second summary of what happened in benghazi? >> what happened in benghazi is a couple of things joined. one was the video which was affecting the entire islamic world. riots across the entire islamic world. why should libya be different and you had a street gang that called itself a militia that was heavily armed that chose that moment to attack our facilities there and, you know, this is something that does not rise to the level of a -- of the secretary of state for sure. there's other people that should be questioned.

david was the cia director at that point and he had a significant role in how this thing was roled out after it happened but you have to remember that diplomats get killed in every administration. >> this is the first ambassador killed since '79. >> but there's a lot of diplomats killed. you can talk to probably our greatest middle east diplomat and he was digging his colleagues out of the rubble in lebanon. >> you studied the clintons as closely as anybody. talk about, you wrote a great book about bill clinton called the natural. hilary, what is the opposite of the natural. >> the unnatural. >> talk about the unnatural and how badly she has politically -- we'll let the fbi draw it's conclusions on whether laws were broken or not or national security was compromised but

politically how has hillary clinton handled this? >> it's the same old story. this is how she handled white water in the 1990s. a number of people wanted to have the all encompassing press conference and bring it all out and she vetoed it then and this time same thing. she is not getting very good advice and her primary interest is to protect herself. having said that, boy it's looking to me more and more like -- i was speaking to a republican we all know yesterday and he said if it's a choice between donald trump and hilary i'm actually going to have to vote for hilary. more and more i hear republicans thinking that donald trump is going to be around and may well be the nominee. >> do you think bernie sanders can win the democratic nomination? >> no. >> do you think joe bide within win? >> we what he's doing is

waiting around to see if more stuff is going to emerge. i think when it comes to the general election, the activities of the clinton foundation are going to be far more damaging to her than these e-mails. i think that that is the bain capital of "the cycle." bain didn't hurt romney during the primaries but it killed him during the general. i think that the clinton foundation, the fact that he gave 12 speeches for more than $500,000 and nine of them were given while she was secretary of state, i think we're going to hear more about that. >> were those speeches for other countries that she was dealing with? >> yes. >> i don't know how that happens. >> really quickly, we have to go to break. the most important question. >> yeah. >> what are you listening to right now? been to any concerts lately? >> i haven't been to any concerts lately. and you know what i'm listening to? channel 30 on sir yis xm, loft,

has the greatest, most eclectic mix, all blues, all rock and roll, new stuff. you know, all country. what about you? >> i'm an old man. i go on sirius from the '70s to the bridge but then i listen to sirius xmu, a lot of great indy stuff. i am now starting even though our hours are horrific i am starting to go out to concerts. ours was with steely dan at the beacon. >> not inaugural. >> neil young. i missed peter fram tpton up in connecticut. >> i was going to call you up to see if you wanted to go to see alabama shakes and drive by truckers in forest hills. >> i would love to. so i'm back on the horse again. let's go out. >> trying to bring this in for a

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in the mac, john. what's your resume? >> you're insubordinate, you make people miserable. top engineers are fleeing to sun, dell, wall street doesn't know who's driving the bus, we've lost hundreds and millions of apple and i'm the ceo of apple, steve, that's my resume. >> i sat in a garage with wozniak and invented the future because they asked for a show of hands. >> well, this guy's out of control. i'm perfectly willing to hand in my resignation tonight, but if you want me to stay, you can't have steve. settle him out. >> boy, that was a clip from the movie "steve jobs." >> such a good movie. >> pioneering founder of apple. >> yeah. >> now a man who obviously hates cheeses. >> wow. >> because he said that he watched the "star wars" trailer and felt nothing at all. >> hates teases. >> the two go together. >> do they? >> seriously, jeff, these guys are a bunch of trekkies. >> it's mutually exclusive.

>> whatever. it's all the same. >> "star trek"er, not the same thing just to be clear. >> i don't think you can hate jesus and like "star wars" at the same time. i think that's in leviticus. >> is that the old testament? >> yes. >> you love michigan? >> i hope you're a michigan state fan. >> my kids went to state, yeah. >> okay. so were you watching the game? >> i was. yeah, i was watching the game. >> could you believe that ending? >> i just -- my kids went to state so let me fref fapreface everything. the cuts to the michigan students. there are people all around ann arbor laughing hard. >> oh, my gosh, that was an incredible play. >> you can't write it. you really can't. how's the state doing? how's detroit doing? >> we love detroit. we have a special place in our heart for detroit. you've been out there talking about it. how's it doing? >> well, i -- i'm just an actor who lives 60 miles from there.

that's what i know, and -- but i think it's -- >> boy, that is a vote of confidence. >> no, he's actually -- >> i don't have the answers except we need to reinvent ourselves. we're not the car capital anymore. all our jobs went away. let's stop pretending that it's going to come back and let's do something else with detroit over the next 20 years. that's what i'm waiting for. like green, something, anything. >> so you basically played the bad guy -- well, actually, steve jobs might have been the bad guy. you were the guy who fired steve jobs in this movie. talk about -- >> well, according to steve's version of it, and that's one of the things john scully in real life and in the movie fights against, that kind of labeling. scully went from, i mean, the ceo corporate genius, marketing rock star with pepsi -- >> right. >> -- goes with this young guy, bites into we're going to change the world and then it's a shakespearean fall for scully. and aaron sorkin wrote this

wonderful three scene dissent into ruining your reputation and then in the end trying to get it back. >> it was a really zero sum game for scully, wasn't it? the higher steve job's star went the lower scully's went. >> he made a decision about the apple 2 to stay with the apple 2 versus pursuing the mac. >> i'm just saying the guy that didn't sign the beatles because he said bands with guitars are on their way out, he can sit down and talk to john scully. >> yeah. yeah. scully hates jesus, too. >> does he really? >> there you go. >> he's not a fan either? >> no. he's a good guy that got caught in a bad situation. he went in for the right reasons. he wasn't just pushing a product. >> right. >> he was changing the world and then it turned on him. it took him a long time to get over it. >> you obviously, jeff, worked with aaron on "newsroom." what is the genius of aaron sorkin? how do you articulate that? when we watch dialogue we know

it's a sorkin movie or tv show. how do you put it into words? >> without getting too crafty about it, there's structure. there's three act structure. the great writers hide it. the bad writers, the movies that are written by studio executives and junior executives who got their note in, they're all formula. they're all and then, and then the plot changes. aaron hides all of that. he hides all of that so that by the time a story point changes where the story's going, you're pulled with it instead of anticipating it. >> that's one of the things he does. >> you have some experience with the alternative it sounds like. >> watching that clip that we did in the middle of that soliloquy that you do reminded me of the northwestern speech from "the newsroom" which in a lot of ways changed your career. >> reinvented it. >> one speech. >> one speech. won the emmy for that speech. that was the episode we

submitted. that speech, like it or not, and we'll take both reactions, will outlive me. whatever youtube does 50 years from now it will be up there. >> you told me it bought you ten more years in your career? >> yeah, i have nine years to go. it does. things like that do that. "dumb and dumber" suddenly you're in the game again for about five to ten years. you get every stupid comedy in the world, but at least you're back in the game. "newsroom" put me in the game. >> and led to this part? >> led to "rich scott." aaron said, do you want to play scully in the third season of "newsroom." >> i love what you said about "dumb and dumber." i'm not going to look down on that because i have so many guys coming up to me that maybe served in the military or somewhere. that's how they relate to me. that's how they talk to me. it was important to them so it's important to me. >> i went to walter reed hospital a couple times. they're not stupid people, they're just people who are

hurt. and every one of them wanted to talk about "dumb and dumber" not because they identified -- just make me laugh. just make me laugh. do anything with your trip here, let's close some lines. good enough for me. >> thrilled to be able to do that. >> how's the purple rose theater? >> it's our 25th anniversary. celebrating right now. >> chelsea, michigan. >> chelsea, michigan. we're still there. i go on tour with my son's band, the ben daniels band friday for five weeks. that'll make you young. >> that will make you very young. >> exciting. >> guitar has always been a creative outlet for you, right? >> best friend. >> and a best friend. >> take it everywhere. >> sitting in your apartment way back when and the phone doesn't ring for three weeks. you reach for that. >> could you come back and play us something? >> i could. >> if you guys come this way, i'm dead serious -- >> bring your son's band and

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>> first of all, tell us about the play. >> well, before i tell you about the play, i want to thank commissioner bratton for his bold iempt. she is a very courageous man.

world leaders, as you know, are reluctant to go near that subject. the r word. well, the commissioner is doing more than that. they're taking action. >> they anything history obviously. >> well, there are two people everyone knows. one more familiar than the other. there are two teen martyrs who lived in societies that couldn't protect them. anne frank. most people are familiar with anne frank, the young jewish girl who perished in the hallow kansas state. fewer know about emmitt till. he was brutally killed for allegedly whistling at a white woman. his murder changed history. these two teenagers lived in societies couldn't protect them. they have a meeting in a place

called memory. there in this place they see their differences, they're obvious. she's a white 15-year-old jewish girl living in nazi europe. he's a black 14-year-old christian boy living in apartheid america, jim crow america, and on this day you see the human drama of their discovering the differences but their commonalties. they decide to take action against hatred because hatred kills. >> it's about an absence of justice obviously in not only this society but all societies. talk about what touched you about this play and why you made the decision that you made. >> i lived a lot of it. i think that's why it touched me. i grew up in the 50s in boston, very segregated city at that time. i didn't interact with blacks in any large numbers until i joined the boston police force. as a young 23-year-old white kid i was patrolling on foot in a black neighborhood.

that experience was, as you might imagine, quite an awakening. and jenna talks about the idea of a society that didn't protect them, but these were two societies that actually persecuted them. nazi germany persecuting the jews and let's face it for a couple of hundred years of our history we persecuted blacks. when i saw the play last year here in new york i was very moved by it and we're trying to reimagine the training and experience of our new officers from top to bottom, start to finish. this seemed to me a way of introducing my police recruits into the reality of racism, the roo he at of religious persecution. it's going to be a very exciting experience. >> the recruits have not yet seen this, right? >> that's correct. i would be willing to bet most have not seen a live drama production, 23, 24 years old. >> this is happening tomorrow and thursday reaction been among recruits when they've been told, hey, this is part of your

training. >> we're going to do some focus groups with them afterwards because my intention is if this works, i think it will, to incorporate this into the re-imagine training. the idea of -- i'm going to introduce it to my colleagues. my colleagues. i'm off to the chiefs conference and based on this week i'll be taking that experience. this is the hot button issue today. we need to find new ways to look at it. you've heard me use that expression that we see you. this resonates with janet. she sees this as a way of -- >> janet, what do you see from this. >> i want nypd and all law enforcement to see the diverse communities they serve. i talked to some of the recruits and cadets when i visited the

police academy and talked to them about the concept of the play and many are them are eager to see it. it's a very exciting time for us. i think this is something that, one, we need to see live theater on the stage and the human emotions can connect with the audience and maybe we can make a difference in the play. i have the actor delivering a call to action. i'm doing the same thing for your audience, a call to action. we can't sit by as silent witnesses pretending these things aren't happening. we know what happened in nazi europe. those who pretended they didn't see anything and the result of that. >> the play is "anne & emmett." thank you so much for coming on this show. >> thank you, thank you. >> you brought a friend along with you. >> my husband, my husband!

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i did not ask for this. >> did you guys see the trailer yet? >> i didn't see it yet. >> i can't believe this. i had to suffer through this growing up. what is this? >> turn it up. ♪ >> the dark side. the jedi. the force. it's calling to you.

>> just let it in. >> just let it in, willie, just let it in. that's some heavy stuff right there. >> now we got to wait two months. >> that is just -- >> oh, it's real. >> i cannot believe it. i just can't stand it. it's so stupid. it's so stupid. >> no. >> stop, stop. you are banned from this set. >> i am not. i can't stand "star wars." the costume and the -- >> is the bible stupid? >> just stop it. >> is moby dick stupid? >> i said to her you don't understand. it's shakespeare. she said, well, shakespeare's

kind of stupid, too. >> it was actually an intelligent conversation. good morning, everyone. tuesday, october 20th. >> when i hear the music rising there at the end and i hear hans solo voice, this is going to be extraordinary, i do, i get chills. it is such a part other than the brzezinskis under polish hill billy form -- let me finish and i will let you say what you want to say later. >> at like 10:30. >> this is such an important fabric and culture of our lives. >> you know what's fun?

watching it with the kids. when he hears it on itunes. >> you wonder why america is the way it is today. >> no jar, no jar. >> caas can you see we have joh heilemann here and -- >> the force is wrong with this one. >> and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. >> also very excited, very excited about the "star wars" trailer. how amazing. how amazing. >> pulitzer prize winner he is. >> you got a couple boys and you guys grew up watching this and we grew up watching this and

we'll get together this weekend, what are we talking about? all "star wars." >> she's a buzz kill. >> how about hillary clinton doing a southern accent? did you all see that yesterday? >> no. >> did you see that? >> it's unbelievable. >> you feel like saying, mama, can you give me some flapjacks? i swear to god, we play it later. she goes, "it wasn't a re-session, it was almost a de-pregs." she is veep. julia dreyfuss -- >> donald trump has led in every

republican poll for the last 99 days. >> it's over. >> he really should make a stepping out. i bet nick thinks it's time, right? in the nbc news/wall street journal poll, 25% back donald trump while ben carson is within the margin of error. jeb bush remains in fifth place at 8% while carly fiorina drops into sixth with 7%. >> donald trump highest number he's ever been at, he's plus 4. ben carson sticking out there. proving once again the media knows nothing, on the tale of a

horrific couple of marco rubio stories this weekend, marco rubio starting to jump in front of quite a few polls. i haven't seen it statewide. that's when you'll really tell that is means something but marco rubio is starting to distance himself as the establishment front-runner. >> unlike his establishment competitors, part of the reason he has so much potential is that he actually plays in both lanes. he's got establishment support and he's an original creator of the tea party and he can play the anti-establishment game and i think a lot of people are looking at him as the guy who could emerge as the anti-trump/carson. >> almost three quarters say they could see themselves supporting ben carson.

trump gained enormous ground when he got into the race in june when only 33% could see themselves supporting him and 66% said they could not. on the flip side, jeb bush slipping from his june high saying they could see themselves supporting him 75%. >> the thing that jumped out on me was marco's rise and jeb bush. he's in fourth place in florida behind trump, carson and rubio. for jeb bush, florida's got to be his country and he's in fourth place. >> jeb bush, i'll say it again.

gene robinson, when job bush was governor, people were sick and tired of me saying it, he was the strongest governor. i had four guests from my house in the state of florida, i asked all four of them who are you voting for? visiting me from florida. trump, trump, trump and i think the fourth said carson. i said what about marco? they said no. i said what about jeb? they all say the same thing, he's not the same guy he was. >> friends of mine from florida told me before the race how jeb was going to come in and take the whole thing, was going to be terrific, the whole nation and in fact he hasn't been terrific and people who knew him back then in florida are puzzled and disappointed but resigned at this point that it ain't

happening. >> i want to do a little plug, a little self-promotion. anybody who is interested in politics must read a column by mike murphy, he's now running job bush's super pac and he speaks at extraordinary length with sasha as to why jeb bush is still in fine shape. >> we all know mike, we all like mike but do you buy it? >> again, i leave it to everybody to read and make a determination. it is the best version of the case they can make. this quote is for you and mika. you'll enjoy this quote in which he says of trump, "he's dead politically, he'll never be president of the united states

ever. by definition i don't think you can be a front-runner if you're totally unelectable. i think there's an a-priori logic problem with that. >> did he say that six monthsing a or -- >> last week. this interview that's within the last few days. >> mike is that japanese soldier in 1952 on an isolated island because i can tell you the most powerful, influential, inciteful republicans are now all saying to me privately on the phone, oh, my god, donald trump could not only win this thing, we don't know how to stop him. if i were mike i would be saying the same thing, too, but he is alone and isolated in that

opinion. >> in that poll, right? >> i will tell you this. jeb bush has a problem. jeb bush's problem is not donald trump. jeb bush's problem is jeb bush. you need to do articles on why he's mad at the establishment. >> yesterday morning trump tweeted "jeb is fighting to defend a catastrophic event. i'm fighting to make sure it doesn't happen again. jeb is too soft.

we need tough and sharper." bush responded last night. >> his view of history is just wrong. the simple fact is when we were attacked my brother created an environment where we were safe and no one attacked us again. he changed the law and united the country and we were safe. moving on to the threats today is what we ought to be focused on. >> what's your take on that, john heilemann? >> donald trump has proved over and over again he is so good in getting under the skin of jeb bush. >> they're not in a world where i can understand where jeb bush wants to be on october 20th. >> mika, this is the new debate.

and if you looked at news last night, you had one channel taking one side, one channel taking another on whether george w. bush made us safe. >> right. and i think the argument is that it did happen on his watch, there's nothing untruthful about that, and that taking us into two wars and one that is endless and still going on now is not making us safer. that's the argument and that's the brilliance, quite frankly, of going there, whether it's nasty or not. but let me show you something else. "buzz feed" found an old quote by trump: "i really am convinced we're in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the

1993 trade center look like kids playing with firecrackers. one day we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named osama bin-laden is public enemy number one and u.s. jet fighters lay waste to his camp in afghanistan. he escape back under some rock and a few new cycles later, it's on to a new one. >> is this over? what's the range here? >> i think it's cute. >> will you stop? >> he predicted -- basically predicted the attacks from osama

bin laden. >> we had the world trade bombing in '93, the embassy bombing in '98 and osama bin laden was in the atmosphere and he wrote about it in the book. >> we can debate, everybody is debating, did he make us safer or not. i want to follow up with what john and willie are saying, the fact that we are debating this in october with iowa right around the corner is such bad news for jeb bush and i've got to say politically it may be donald trump's most brilliant move in pulling him back in to having to defend a disastrous war in iraq and eight years of

foreign policy that is a weakness for george w. and his own party. >> bush's campaign has a long-running defense over his brother's record. it's not about the future -- >> it's not about florida. we're not hearing about any of that, we're hearing about 9/11. >> gene robinson, godzilla just got -- >> bad news to jolt him with electricity. he gets stronger. there are other polls today that show him way ahead. he is really a phenomenon. i agree with you. that is absolutely brilliant for him to have taken us back to 9/11 and to not just because he's getting under jeb bush's skin because he, frankly, raises

important questions, as mika said. are we safer? what about all the stuff george w. bush did? and by the way, for a lot of republicans, it brings back the whole list of reasons why a lot of conservatives didn't like george w. bush that much. that was done off the books. wasn't honestly accounted for and contributed to the deficit problem we have now. and it's really smart and once again here he goes. >> and willie, it cuts the republican party right in half than versus the traditional republicans who have always been about restraint and foreign policy. certainly we were in the 1990s and you had people certainly from 2005/2006 on george will -- whether it's george will or -- i

don't know. i could name five others. i want to name somebody else before i name myself. but there were a lot of us that were talking about the military venturism, certainly after 2005 or so. and the party literally was split down the middle. >> it's criticism from trump of jeb bush has gotten under the skin of a lot of bush people. they say he's pedaling michael moore as he found this weakness, george bush was in the oval office. it brings jeb bush to where he doesn't want to be. >> it was hard to find a democrat ten years ago who would

say this and now donald trump is winning saying this. >> it's tea party types, rand paul types, ted cruz types, from my wing of the party types on foreign policy. the very people that do not want to vote for a bush that this message appeals to, which is sort of the anti-neocon. >> i think there was a grib assessme menmen menmen menmen m that his last name would be a problem for him if he got to an election. it wouldn't be a problem in the primary. he's relatively popular. if he gets to the nomination, he'll deal with that next year. >> from, if he knew then what he

knows now, would he have invaded iraq. now that was six months ago. >> i was at an event the other day and we were sitting there talking about a book and a guy asks me, he goes, "why do you think that trump and carson are leading in your party?" . he was seeing me as this bastion of the republican party. i said because the republican party in washington, d.c. has lied to its base for 20 years now and the chickens are coming home to roost. we're sick and tired of them lying to us, we're sick and tired of them telling they're going to cut our taxes, balance our budgets, that we're going to have a humble foreign policy. we're tired of being lied to and

the only reason i said that is jeb can't say that about his own brother. he's tangled trying to defend his brother on easy stuff. but the establishment has lied to the base for 20 years and jeb unfortunately is tied up in that. >> this is part of where we are today. >> still ahead on morning joe, how much of the markets are watching the turmoil on capitol hill. and mark warner is backing hillary clinton so what does he make of joe biden. we'll be back. or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. how you plan is up to you. take healthcare. make sure you're covered for more than what just medicare pays... consider an aarp medicare

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hillary clinton spent some time in hoover, alabama over the weekend where she reconnected with her southern roots. >> there is a pattern of republicans getting us into economic messes and democratic presidents having to come in and clean them up. now, i know these are inconvenient facts for your republican friend and neighbors but the truth is president obama doesn't get the credit he deserves for saving american economy from falling in to a great depression. i'm also running for president because i think every child deserves a world class early childhood education. my mission as president will be to make sure we create more good jobs and we start raising incomes for hard working folks in america again. >> all right. new polling suggests hillary

clinton's lead in the democratic field is slightly up following last week's debate. our new nbc/wall street journal poll shows clinton up 7 points in september. she's now ahead of best 49% to 9%. and the poll found 30% of democratic voters would prefer the vice president didn't run, when 30% said he should. when biden is removed from the poll, clinton claims a clear majority. >> john heilemann, what's your latest opinion on joe biden? >> i give up. i don't believe any of the reporting that i read. it down to him in a deeply emotional way. all the political arguments have been made. i don't think it matters. i don't think how she did in the

debate matters or how she does in the benghazi hearing matters for him. he has to do the ultimate gut check to do. if he called me today at noon and said he was getting in the race, i wouldn't believe him. >> we've heard unequivocally joe biden calling saying i'm going to get into the race but i'm with you, john -- >> until the moment i hear him announce it -- not that i doesn't believe the reports of him saying these things are true. i just think he's been so emotionally wrought over the last couple of months and everything eye heard from those who have talked to him, he's gone back and forth for the last eight weeks. >> if he can't make up his mind, he shouldn't run. >> 30% of democrats think he

should get into the race . hillary clinton is up 7 points. she's shown now after the debate to be a strong front-runner and joe biden looks and sees only 30% of the democrats want him in the race. again, it is personal and we've seen these stories for weeks. a congressman came out yesterday and said i have it on good authority he's getting in the race. when i see it, i'll believe it. >> the other thing is. >> he's done nothing but run for office sin 1972. >> since 29 years old from a lifestyle-wise, i don't see how he doesn't do it. >> he doesn't know how to do anything but run. >> i don't know how he goes home to the ranch and watches his

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done, for instance, like raising the debt ceiling? >> i certainly hope so because the alternative would be a disaster. if we go past the debt ceiling and we had a potential downgrade of our debt, cost the taxpayers billions of dollars, i think we've seen with paul ryan very conservative but somebody who also understands you need to get stuff done. the reason we've had two years' time-out is because paul ryan and patty murphy came to an agreement. >> give me a balanced plan first. what happens is these debt ceiling showdowns come up every two, three years and nothing ever changes. there's never any structural reform, there a's never any budgetary reform. what is so hard with congress

saying, for instance, we'll balance the budget in ten years. >> well, let's break this down. first of all, on the debt ceiling, we're talking about money we've already expect and whether we're going to honor our commitment to pay it. there's nothing conservative about the idea i'm going to run out on the bill and put the full faith and credit of the united states in jeopardy. >> there's also nothing conservative about raising the debt ceiling. you condition come to me two years from now and say we've already spent this money. let's be responsible for once. >> if you look for a moment on discretionary spending, the stuff that we fight about day in, pass out, it's at an all-point low. we're cutting education in half, infrastructure in half, research and development in half.

i was a business guy longer than ephs a politician, that's not a good business plan for america. >> how do you erase the $450 billion deficit that we have? because there was a $250 billion deficit which shocked americans. now there's a $450 billion deficit. >> i agree with you, joe, there's no place in the world people would high five when we say we only ran $450 billion in the hole this year. >> so how do you balance it? >> i stood everywhere i could and said let's take the simpson bowls plan, let entitlements. and let's look at a way to make it more efficient and unless you put more revenues in the pocket, you're never going to get there. >> bianna. >> let me talk turn to ittpp.

a lot of concern about the pressure and pressure to china to force their hand. what is your response to economists who say it may not have been worth the political fight as far as results here at home? >> we're talking 40% of the world's population and where most of the growth is coming from asia. who's going to set the rules? are we going to set the rules or china? looking back at tpp, i think. >> i think it will create jobs and, pand our influence in that terribly important area, asia. and it's the one area where there's still bipartisan consensus and vast majority mainstream economists say left to right it's in our country's best interest.

>> do you find it at all strange or inconsistent that secretary clinton, who was a big booster of tpp while she was secretary of state has now come out against it? >> listen, i understand that a lot of folks on the democratic side who look back and say nafta 20 years ago, oh, my gosh, there were downturns. i think about the job losses particularly in furniture and other areas of manufacturing in my state. but net-net when when you're looking now whether we're going to have a trade policy what is basically set up and rules of america of tpp -- >> i'm just asking. >> i think long-term expanded trade is in our country's best interest but we have o make sure -- >> senator, should joe biden jump into the race? >> i know that's been the subject for the last couple of

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looks like i could not mess at that up. looks like you put a whole lot of olive oil on some eggs and bread. >> you pope them in the olive oil and put them -- >> it's much better than butter. >> the butter is good, too. >> so why a book on brunch? i love brunch. i kind of thought it was a thing of the past. >> it's growing in popularity. when i was a kid in new york, my mother would take my to brunch, sort of all you can eat sort of thing, comes with a mim owes a. people look forward to it at the end of the week, it has a good,

rear lacksed attitude to and it always starts with a cocktail and that's a good thing. >> brunch has become such a phenomenon that it's become a huge pain. every major place in new york if you want to go to brunch, you have to wait. >> what is your favorite? is it eating breakfast food for lunch? do you look down on people that order a salad? >> no, no, no, no. if i go out to brunch or if i'm making brunch at home, i usually eat some savory dish that i'm going to eat but i always have something look french toast and waffles for the table. >> to share. >> yes. and to me that's the great thing about brunch.

blackber blackberry. >> would you agree if there's no eggs involved, brunch is worthless? >> you got to have eggs. >> you go for a run before brunch, which is very key i think. >> you have a big,er size and get in there and let all hell break loose. >> you can't go running after brunch. >> you can't? >> not after six drinks you can't. >> people like to play around with cool butters and jams. they want to slowly work their way into it. it's not a meal where it's like appetizer, entree, dessert.

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come back. if it's way too early, it's time for "morning joe." but right now it's time for msnbc live. have a great day, everybody. right now live on msnbc, from here at the white house, all eyes on the vice president from joe biden. he's about to make some remarks live. and wall street journal poll numbers. they' they're. what do democrats think joe biden should do? that may be and first up this morning, is a decision imminent. honoringer mondale this morning.