movie endures, that we can all change your destiny at any moment. >> still resonates? >> it does. >> great to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. ♪ >> if it's wednesday, vice president biden wanted to run but simply said he's out of time to make a 2016 bid. but he also makes it clear he wants to keep hillary clinton in check. this is a busy "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ three giant stories in the world of politics. benghazi tomorrow, joe biden, paul ryan. we're trying to get to it all. we got a lot to get to, and we'll start with the veep's home state governor. steve schmidt, the man who

steered jaohn mccain's presidential bid and whether paul ryan can usher in some unity. and what's at stake for the party when hey grill hillary clinton on the hill tomorrow? and i'll also talk to one of the republicans on the benghazi committee, as well as one of the few democrats in the house who voted in favor of starting the benghazi committee in the first place. his senate campaign is now calling that decision a circus. we'll get into that. but we start with the big news of the day, biden's announcement. today ends 82 days of speculation about his presidential ambitions. in fact, here's a timeline of the twists and turns. august 1, maureen publishes a column suggesting biden might run because of his son beau's dying wish. three weeks later, biden meets with elizabeth warren at his residence. four days later, he tells dnc members on a conference call that his heart and soul are pretty well banged up, but he left a hint he was thinking

about it. september 3, in a speech to atlanta synagog, biden cites the emotional energy of his family as the most relevant factor in his decision. four days after that, he attends a pittsburgh labor day president with richard trump ka by his side and sounded all the bit of a candidate. few days later, he throws cold water on a run with late show host stephen colbert, saying that his grief sometimes overwhelms him. on august 16th, he spoke with the president of the international association of firefighters, strongly suggesting that a possible white house run was on the horizon. and yet, that brings us today, at the white house, with his wife jill, and president obama at his side, the vice president announced his decision not to run. >> good morning, folks. please, please. as my family and i have worked through the grieving process, i've said all along what i've said time and again to others.

that it may very well be that that process, by the time we get through it, closes the window on mounting a realistic campaign for president, that it might close. i've concluded it has closed. >> well, he's right. biden said that they had worked through the grieving process, but the infrastructure for a full campaign just wasn't present. but he also plans, at least he said he was, to be a loud voice during the 2016 campaign. >> while i will not be a candidate, i will not be silent. i intend to speak sought clearly and forcefully to influence as much as i can where we stand as a party and where we need to go as a nation. >> at age 72, vice president biden may have closed the door to any future presidential bid, but he remains eager to campaign for the middle class. senator bernie sanders

underscored that sentiment in his reaction late this afternoon. >> joe biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service, and to the well-being of working families and the middle class. he made a difficult decision based on the needs of his family and his view of his future, and i respect the decision that he made. >> nobody's campaign may have been hurt more than bernie sanders, by the way. hillary clinton said she was inspired by joe biden's optimism. clinton's poll numbers look very different with biden out of the race. our nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows clinton leads by 20 points in the race. without him, the lead jumps to 25. kristin welker joins me live from the white house. so, how close was he to running? how close to a "yes" was this?

would this have been a "yes" if the timeline had been moved up three weeks? >> i think you would have seen it get to "yes." i think at so many times he had gotten to "yes," but the problem, he just couldn't stay there. i was told by multiple sources he was leaning toward getting into the race before the first democratic debate. those pushing him to run said let's take a look at the numbers, we believe there's a path to winning the nomination there. he did that. you saw a flurry of phone calls over the past weekend, including the vice president giving him the indication he was leaning toward running, and the vice president and his inner circle reached out to a number of his closest supporters, saying that he would have a final decision by monday. lot of folks thought he was going to announce. when that didn't happen, chuck, that was when a lot of his supporters started to realize, this might just not happen. that he was never going to stay

at "yes." chuck? >> that's for sure. kristin welker, you're all over the story, and by the way, 48 hours, there you go. thank you, kristin. >> thanks, chuck. the big speech to say he won't run, gave us a pretty good idea of what his announcement speech would have sounded like. he gave us a taste. >> i believe that president obama has led this nation from crisis to recovery and we're now on the cusp of resurgence. i'm proud to have played a part in that. this party, our nation, will be making a tragic mistake if he walk away or attempt to undo the obama legacy. i believe we have to end the divisive partisan politics that is ripping this country apart. i think we can. it's mean-spirited. it's petty. and it's gone on for much too long. >> joining me now, the governor of delaware, jack markel, who was ready to support the vice president if he ran.

welcome to "meet the press daily." >> thank you. >> how disappointed are you? >> you know, for us, everybody in delaware is with the biden family, we have so much respect for vice president biden. and we would have done everything we possibly could have had he decided to run. but this was a personal decision, and obviously we support whatsoever decision he made. but incredibly grateful for the contributions he has made, and he still has a lot of work to do. >> is this a way to unite -- does he end up uniting the democratic candidacy have dividd the party? >> it's hard to know. he's a uniter, he runs with a positive message, as you just reported. and i think that's how he's always run in delaware. i think that's how he ran as vice president, and that's -- i'm sure what he would have done running for president. but i think you'll see a lot of coalescing behind secretary clinton for sure. >> speaking of co-alessing, do

you have your endorsement letter ready to go for secretary clinton, or are you going to look at sanders? >> i'm going to support clinton. i would have been behind biden, but with him not running, i think she has the strongest case for winning a general election, which is important. and also just the strongest case for being an effective president. so i'll do everything i can. >> what does she have to do? one of the things driving democrats into wanting biden in the race, the vice president was stronger in match-ups than secretary clinton was. what does she have to do to achieve the strength that vice president biden has? >> she really needs to continue to talk about issues of importance to the american people. as we get past the benghazi. if she focuses on how we can make things better for the middle class, everything from college education to workforce

development and all the issues that she's been trying to get out there, i think people will find it very compelling. so, you know, i'm hopeful that she will continue to articulate that message. i think it's a compelling one. i think she'll be successful with it. >> so you said you're with hillary clinton because of general election. is that your only concern with senator sanders? is that why you're not supporting him? if he could win a general election, could you support him? >> no, what i said, i think she's in the strongest position to win in a general election, but also because i think she's in the strongest position to be a good president. and probably in reverse order. because at the end, you go through all the politics, because you want somebody to be effective in office. i think she would be. she surrounds herself with good people. she's got extraordinary experience in foreign policy and she spent a lifetime focused on creating opportunity for the people of the country. so i think she'd be a great president. she'd also be in the strongest position to win the general election and it's that

combination of factors. >> all right, governor jack markel, who was ready to be a very familiar face as a surrogate for the vice president. now you sound like you're already ready to sign up for secretary clinton's campaign. thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me. turning now to capitol hill, where paul ryan may be one of the few people who didn't get the news that biden was out. take a look. >> what did he do? >> he's out. >> oh, i didn't know. i've been so busy doing this stuff. he's out? >> he's out. >> it happened during the ways and means lunch. >> really? what did he say? >> it's clear ryan's been making the rounds meeting with leaders and constituency groups inside the house all day today and he's going to need their backing, and by his own directive, a few concessions from them if he runs. he's also set to meet with the house freedom caucus at the center of the chaos. meanwhile speaker boehner said house speaker elections will be next week.

a vote a week from today and a full vote on the house floor next thursday. joining me now, nbc's luke russert. luke, are things any better today with the house freedom caucus? because we heard from labrador and hill's camps. they're not in yet. where does the rest of the caucus stand? >> no, they're not, chuck. and i think this is a very important part of this story. in fact, this is the entire story now, this is the entire game. as i speak to you, paul ryan is about 25 feet away from me, in his hide-away room, right off the floor of the house of representatives chamber, talking to dozens of these freedom caucus members. and we expect them to come out in a short time and say how the meeting went. they have three concerns. number one, can paul ryan really do the job if he takes the weekends off like he said he will for his family? number two, his comprehensive immigration reform, and number three, perhaps the biggest

stickler for them, his desire to change the conference rules, but not as far as they would like, specifically the idea of the motion to vacate the chair, which is the tool they used against john boehner to try and depose him. they didn't go forward on it, but they used it as a threat. there's been talk about changing the threshold on that, but ryan's going to have to sell them. i spoke to david brat, who knocked off eric kanter. i said, are you guys going to hold steady on the 80% threshold, meaning anybody who they would support or endorse, would have to get 80% support from them? he said that's a by law, we'll stand by it. what if they don't get to 80, but they don't endorse somebody else and they cut loose, would ryan do it then? his office said no, he wants their endorsement. but i have a hard time believing if he had 75% of them that he'd walk away from the speaker's gavel. >> we'll see. you got to do some more chasing, you're getting plenty of steps

today. >> how about this, a pennsylvania avenue joe biden irish catholic guy, big decision. paul ryan, irish catholic guy, with big decisions. get excited, chuck. >> fair enough. thank you, luke. so what will ryan's demands mean for unity in the gop and what about a plan b if those demands can't be met? well, don't ask speaker boehner. >> what if he doesn't decide to get in? >> don't know. >> joined by republican strategist and an msnbc contributor, steve let's talk about this a minute. what if the freedom caucus sticks to their guns and says, we're not going to sign on to your demands on this, and he walks? then what? >> chaos. pure and simple. great damage to the republican party at a presidential level and dispositive of the fact that maybe the party can't govern, can't even accomplish the most

basic ministerial functions, which is the first business of a majority of course, choosing a speaker. but the question is, with regard to the freedom caucus and ryan, who's going to back down? because both sides are asserting conditions. >> right. >> the conditions that were imposed on kevin mccarthy led him to exit the speaker's race. he simply said, i'm not going to surrender control of the speaker's authority with regard to appointments, from the rules committee on down. he wasn't going it be a conditional speaker of the house. so he stepped aside. the question is now, will paul ryan be able to back them down? will he be the one who imposes the conditions? or will they be imposed on him? but someone's anything to impose conditions here over the next 24 hours. >> well, as you know, with the freedom caucus, you could argue there ids are talk radio. listen to rush limbaugh today on talk radio.

>> what are we to do with this? i mean, we also have to take note that harry reid, very happy about it, has endorse the him. imss, it makes me nervous. so i'm not interested in bipartisanship and crossing the aisle with these people. and then you add to it that paul ryan has publicly stated his support for comprehensive immigration reform, which includes amnesty, so it becomes problematic. >> that's who the freedom caucus's constituents are listening to. that's driving this message, you and i both know it. >> 100%. talk radio, some of the most shrill voices of the talk radio universe exert enormous influence over these members of congress. if you think about the freedom caucus, it has concentric rings of influence outside of its core. >> right. >> and there's a c group, you

have 10, 15 members at the core, then another 20 that are influenced, and maybe another 50 that are influenced by rush limbaugh, influenced by the message coming out of that core group. and, look, at the end of the day, if paul ryan is not conservative enough, we have to understand that our propensity as a party now to engage in this, as opposed to inviting people in, will have a devastating electoral consequence. because politics is a game of addition, not subtraction. and if paul ryan is a rino, with -- all it does is point to the profoundest part of the republican party let go in recent years. >> does the republican primary voter change how they think about the republican primary

based on the idea that hillary clinton looks like she is now more assured of the democratic nomination? does it have any influence on -- does -- i can tell you this. two of the establishment campaigns are telling me they think this could make the republican electorate, more pragmatic. could it, or do they see hillary clinton more vulnerable that it actually makes them gravitate more to the conservatives? >> i understand why they would say it, but i think it's delusional. if you listen to what rush limbaugh just said about paul ryan, we are victims now of magical thinking. we are divorced completely from pragmatic thinking. we are divorced completely from reality, where paul ryan is no longer sufficiently conservative. the nominee, one of the intellectual architects of a 21st century conservative agenda. the republican base is extremely angry, they're upset, they hold the congress and the political establishment and the leadership of the party in contempt. and the notion that all of a

sudden, they're going to accommodate these candidates they hold in contempt, because they view hillary clinton as politically strengthened by the exit of joe biden, represents washington political machinations that have no influence on how these people think and react. >> that's what i'm assuming as well, but i thought i'd get your take on it. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, hillary clinton heads to the hill for perhaps the most unprecedented presidential candidate testimony in american history. we'll talk to republican benghazi committee member peter roskum and one of just a handful of democrats in the house who voted to create the committee in the first place and is now taking hits for it in his senate race, florida democrat patrick murphy. and later, the donald keeps trumping the rest of the field. a live report from the field as trump does iowa. you have two choices; the easy way or the hard way. you could choose a card that

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accusations. seven separate investigations. thousands of pages of e-mails. and tomorrow it's a high-stakes public showdown between hillary clinton and the house benghazi committee. clinton and the democrats are charging that the committee is politically motivated, with the purpose of bringing down her presidential campaign. they've not been shy about using the words of kevin mccarthy who linked the panel to a fall in clinton's panel numbers. trey gowdy said the panel is not a witch-hunt and has one goal only in mind -- the truth. coming up, i'll talk to a republican member of the committee and a democrat who voted to create it, but now is calling for it to be shut down. ? fight it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine used to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. are you getting this?! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. oh, epic moves, big j!

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than the white house at stake. it all comes to a head tomorrow as the house benghazi committee grills hillary clinton. i'm joined now by republican congressman peter roskam. congressman, welcome to "meet the press daily." >> thank you very much. >> let me start with a question that i asked congressman p mama on sunday. that is, there were a lot of people that were involved in decisions that were made that night that have yet to be called in front of your committee. i'm talking about the general in charge of africon. i'm talking about david petraeus. plenty of people at the defense department. my question is, why haven't those folks been called? and don't you worry that that has helped create this atmosphere that somehow you guys are only focused on hillary clinton? >> well, i think there's a couple of things that are going on. number one, the investigation is ongoing. so in all likelihood, those

individuals are going to be called. and here's an important point, though, at the very beginning of this hearing process, trey gowdy, the chairman of the committee, went to elijah cummings, the ranking democrat, and he made this offer. he said, elijah, you reach out to the clinton campaign, you choose the date she comes in. all we ask is the documents we've requested and 30 days to review them. because it was obvious she was going to run for president and also it would be inconvenient for everybody if she's in the midst of a presidential campaign. so where does the fault lie for the timing of this? it lies at the state department, who only 36 hours ago has released some of ambassador stevens' e-mails, that no congressional committee has ever seen. so the timing is not convenient for anybody. and i take your larger point, but this is an ongoing investigation. >> what don't you know that you feel like should be known by now? we've had the arb, which is the

state department investigation, plenty of full-time committees have done their own investigations. what do you feel like we still don't know that you think you're going to get to the bottom of? >> well, i don't think we know the totality of the situation. here's what i do know, that every congressional committee that has looked at this, has only looked at it in a fairly trunkated manner. the intelligence committee looked at the intelligence community. the armed services committee looked at the military. but nobody looked at this in totality. don't you think it's important, we do, that the number one diplomat of the united states of america at the time come and offer testimony to the committee who is charged with the totality of the situation? so i think we'll find out what was secretary clinton's state of mind, how was she interacting, what was the prelude to these events? what was she doing at the time

of these events and subsequent to that? these are all things that no congressional committee has ever had. and are there other documents that haven't been produced that we don't have yet? >> do you feel as though you can ask her all the proper questions without having -- being able to grill david petraeus. we're talking about a potential cia compound at the time. it just seems odd to me that you wouldn't have at least called him by now before you spoke to the secretary? >> well, i think those are tactics. but that really begs the question, doesn't the secretary need to come in? and also f you had to have general petraeus in, then you're delaying secretary clinton even further. so let's have the secretary in. i think a lot of things sort of burn off as it relates to just having her in, to ask questions and to answer questions, and then we can focus in on those and ultimately come to a

conclusion as a committee. >> how much has it stung, that it was two house republicans, mccarthy and hanna, how much has it stung you, that they have helped create this atmosphere that has called the committee's credibility into question? >> well, look, everybody's familiar with different misstatements and mischaracterizations and oops moments. so hillary clinton's no stranger to this. she said, we came, we saw, he died. or her testimony in the senate side that was mischaracterized frankly when she said, what difference does it make? so that's the nature of politics. is it helpful when someone characterizes it as political? no. but my point, all of that stuff is chatter and chaff that burns away. and that tomorrow we'll be focused in on what was the secretary's involvement, what did she know and then the conversation shifts.

>> are you wasupporting paul ry for speaker? >> i am. i think he'd be a great speaker. >> if he backs out, what does it mean for your party? >> here's where we are -- i've heard these things were characterized as demands that paul ryan was making, but in the meeting itself, i characterize it as an invitation, this is an invitation to house republicans to say, let's move forward in this way. i propose that -- i'm speaking as ryan, -- i propose this, and now he's negotiating and it is my hope and expectation that we're able to rally around ryan as speaker. if we're not, look the sun will come up. it's difficult, but we'll churn through it somehow. >> the sun will come up, very nice. peter roskam, illinois republican on the benghazi committee. we'll see you tomorrow. thanks for coming on. >> thank you very much. up next, one of the few house democrats who actually

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this committee might be a good idea? >> to me, it was a matter of vindicating the secretary. like anything in life, if you show everything, and there's nothing there to hide, then there's nothing to hide. and as i said in my original press release, let's make sure all the facts -- let's make sure everything is out, let's make sure all the hearings and questions are answered. i think there is nothing to hide. i think that's been more than proven, but i also warned, let's not turn this into some sort of political circus. and based on what we've heard in the last weeks from mccarthy, to the whistle blower, to hanna coming out and admitting it's a political witch-hunt. i think it's past time we disband this committee. >> regardless of whether you think it's a witch-hunt, why not ask straightforward questions if you're the democrats? why just walk away, because isn't that playing the same politics that you're accusing the republicans of playing?

>> i'm not sure who's walking away. i guess there are some people talking about walking away. i think it's important that the democrats make sure that they ask the tough questions, but i think at this point -- >> so you don't advocate, i don't mean to interrupt you. adam shift and some are advocating that they resign the committee en masse. >> i don't. i'm following the lead of congressman cummings who said he'll be there with other members to make sure to fight and protect and stand up. and i'm sure there will be many tough questions asked to both sides of the aisle. but i'll follow the lead of congressman cummings on this one, and he's going to be there. >> the american public is basically split right down the middle on this. we asked, do they think the rauns in congress and this investigation has been fair and impartial, unfair and too partisan, and a plurality picked unfair and too partisan. at the same time, we asked whether folks have been satisfied with whether they have everything from hillary clinton regarding what happened that night? and a plurality again, 44% said

they were not satisfied. 27% were satisfied. what does hillary clinton need to do tomorrow to make a majority of the country satisfied that we have the full story? >> well, i think an important part of tomorrow's hearing is for her not to be defensive, for her to talk about everything that happened leading up to this. but focus on really the core issue here. and another part of why i voted for this, and why she's going to be there tomorrow is to ensure this doesn't happen again. this was a tragedy for america. there was an ambassador, and multiple american lives lost. that's the focus, how do we prevent that from happening again? and to me, this frustrates many americans. if you look at that poll, people are fed up, they want answers, they want to know what happened, but they want to make sure this doesn't happen again. and so many things in american politics nowadays are becoming politicized and that's what's so frustrating to so many people. so i hope it doesn't become a

circus tomorrow. i hope it's just about the facts, but more importantly, how do we prevent it from happening again? >> do you stand by your vote? >> no, i stand by it, because it's more than proven, there was nothing to hide there. >> when your opponent in the senate race says he stood on the side of hillary clinton and you didn't, what do you say to that? >> look, i was proud to support hillary clinton back in may. you know, i came out publicly to support her. and i've been proud to stand by her. and told her early on about this vote and many folks, that i was doing it, because i believe that it has and would vindicate her from any wrongdoing. if you start hiding and saying, oh, i i don't want to do a hearing, i don't want to go in public, people raise a red flag and wonder why are you doing that. so, further, this has shown with the eighth heerg naring now, th there's nothing to hide. there's nothing else out there, they've gone through all the e-mails and there's nothing

there. let's move on. >> congressman patrick murphy, thanks for coming on "meet the press daily." >> thank you. msnbc will have special coverage all day long of secretary clinton's testimony starting at 9:00 a.m. eastern and make sure to tune in friday night when hillary clinton will be rachel maddow's special guest at 9:00 p.m. eastern, on friday. still ahead, an update from the campaign trail. we'll catch up with the trump campaign in iowa today as he hits more new highs in more new polls. but first the cnbc market wrap. >> thanks, chuck. we had early gains fading. the dow falling by 48 points after being up about a hundred during the session. the s&p was off by 11. the nasdaq shedding 40 points. a winning session for ferrari in its first day of trading. the stock trading under the r.a.c.e., rallied 6%.

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a little bit of a lull on the campaign trail earlier part of this week, but we're starting to see candidates back on the trail this week. to iowa, donald trump is set to hold a campaign rally in just a few hours. he's been enjoying a steady spot at the top of the republican pack again. it's now going on months. here's the latest abc news/washington post poll. looks very familiar. when asked which candidate has the best chance to win the

general? he got 43%. republicans are starting to come to grips with the idea that trump may be their nominee. this comes as trump is mobilizing a ground game for voters in the state of iowa. let's go to katy tur who is out there with the campaign. katy, the last time you were in iowa, you noticed they suddenly looked like a presidential campaign. gathering names and trying to make sure the people that show up become precinct captains the next time they come to iowa. are you seeing the same set-up today? >> they seem to be continuing that at this event here in burlington, iowa. they say they have volunteers going into the crowd and explaining to them, how they should go about caucusing. we haven't seen the same posters we saw in waterloo, but this is a bigger event. they do tell me now they have caucus leaders in all 99 counties, but that they're really focusing on 1,700 precincts. chuck, there's a man on staff

named chuck laud ner, nicknamed chuck the truck, famous for getting rick santorum roobed the state in 2012. santorum won this state probably because he was able to get to all 99 counties. i will say one thing about this crowd. it's an older crowd, the type of crowd that would attend a caucus, less the type of carbon dioxide that are just coming out to see a celebrity. >> that would tell you that chuck is having more influence on where to hold the events and that may say we are in phase two of trump turning into a real operation on the ground in iowa. katy tur on the road in burlington, thank you very much. up next, politics and pop culture collide at 88 miles per hour. politicians are in to using "back to the future" day to pitch their policies, but the idea is actually a blast from

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why be prepared for television. back here with the lid. i have two people that never really care about when we get started and how television works. thank you both. you bring a little bit of 3 morning joe chaos. >> we run a tight ship here. >> you don't care about that. >> we are rude. >> we have two stories to get to. biden and bush v rubio. when is biden going to regret this decision or does he already regret it? >> i think he is the kind of guy who lives with regret and relief. i think he is in a sense relieved that the burden of having to make the decision is off of his shoulders and will

always live with the regret of not being president of the united states especially he is so close. >> he know s he had a path. >> it was helping burn ewernie early. >> let me ask the question. does the fact that she is now the nominee in waiting, no offense to bernie sanders but it's hard to imagine how she is dislodged does it change the way primary voters think? >> i think republican primary voters are overstimulated by what is happening on our side. i think that republican primary voters probably weren't that conversant in the ways of bernie sanders. i think republican primary voters think our nominee would

be again s a clinton machine. >> the stronger she looks the tougher she looks the better it is for the establishment wing of the party. >> each side cares more than they should about what is going to happen on the other side. our side has to get our ducks in a row and this robust competition, if you can call it that, some people have other words for it, but it will serve the eventual nominee well. the country is evenly divided about people who care a lot. she is going to inherit about 42% of the country. our side will hopefully have the same sflmpt kw same. i want to go to the republican side. mike murphy is a terrific interview and got him on the record about all things in the

superpac. he asked this about rubio. he is asked about the potential strength of marco rubio and says i think he has been in the position of promising i'm going to be great eventually and not held to anything. rubio can be up or down. murphy's complaint is he thinks rubio is getting a free ride. >> i don't know that he is getting a free ride because there is so much focus on jeb bush's weaknesses and the tornado that is at the top of these polls on the republican side. i mean, trump and ben carson. so i think rubio along with a couple of others, christie, kasich are getting very little look by the media because the focus is on those two big stories. >> it's fascinating to me that a memo went out in bush world that said we have to take down rubio. do you buy that in. >> i think they were really irritated last week when the fundraising numbers came out and

rubio seemed to fudge his by conflating two pockets of money. when he is following the rules you are being judged by the media for following the rules and a guy who doesn't follow the rules is jumged more favorably than you it gets under your skin. i think the dynamic is more personal than it is. >> is he the main obstacle? you believe there are two lanes. murphy was outlining the two lane strategy. >> i'm not a lane girl. i'm a roller derby girl. if you can't take out the guy. >> so is trump. >> if you can't take out the girl who is rolling around the derby with, you know, oozies in his hand you are nowhere. i hope they are not sitting around trying to figure out how to beat rubio and kasich. i hope they are trying to figure out how to do something about trump's extraordinary dominance in the polls. >> what about trying to figure

out what to do to get jeb appear to have more energy. >> i work for him. he works all the time. >> i understand that. >> you don't see the fire. anecdotally. >> he shows more fire when the family is hit. he shows more fire when trump hits him personally. >> these fights are great for him. i saw him respond with fire, if you will, to the attack on his brother being to blame for 9/11. i don't think he should let any attack from utrump stand. >> no one has laid a glove on ben carson. what happens when they do? >> i don't think he'll care. he's totally unflappable. i don't know how much flexibility is in his numbers. are they going to go up and down? or do you just love ben carson because you love ben carson? >> if you look at the cross tabs they look -- >> they are not going to go

down. i think when people start voting i would be surprised if everyone doesn't pick a little bit from the ben carson pile. >> if we in the media focus on what he says and when he says it it only helps him. >> that's what proved the last three weeks. we went over. >> i'll blame joe in the morning. richard wolf picks up our coverage, 59 minutes of it right now. we're out of time. the time necessary to mount a winning campaign. >> right now on msnbc, why did joe biden decide he is not running for president? also ahead will republicans unite behind paul ryan. ryan says he will be house speake b