down. i think when people start voting i would be surprised if everyone doesn't pick a little bit from the ben carson pile. >> if we in the media focus on what he says and when he says it it only helps him. >> that's what proved the last three weeks. we went over. >> i'll blame joe in the morning. richard wolf picks up our coverage, 59 minutes of it right now. we're out of time. the time necessary to mount a winning campaign. >> right now on msnbc, why did joe biden decide he is not running for president? also ahead will republicans unite behind paul ryan. ryan says he will be house speaker but only if his party

meets his five conditions. hillary clinton prepares to testify in front of the house benghazi committee. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> i'm richard wolffe. we begin with vice president joe biden ending months of speculation announcing after the death of his son beau he will not run for president. >> as my family and i have worked through the grieving process i have said all along what i have said time and again to others that it may be that that process by the time we get through it closes the window on mounting a realistic campaign for president. that it might close. i have concluded it has closed. >> and with those words the

democratic primary is essentially down to two people, hillary clinton and bernie sanders. clinton's campaign says she talked to the vice president after his speech today. she also tweeted the vice president is a good friend and a great man today and always i am inspired by his optimism and commitment to change the world for the better. sanders was also full of praise. >> joe biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the well being of working families and the middle class. i want to thank joe biden and president obama for the work that they have done over the last seven years in making very significant improvements to our economy. >> even the republican front runner was complimentary at least to biden. donald trump tweeting i think joe biden made the correct decision for him and his family.

personally i would rather run against hillary because her record is so bad. but biden made it clear he isn't going away just yet. >> while i will not be a candidate, i will not be silent. i intend to speak out clearly and forcefully to influence as much as i can where we stand as a party and where we need to go as a nation. >> with me now is steve kornacki. good evening. >> how are you? >> i'm great. i'm just trying to look at the poll numbers. biden in and out of the race. the recent wall street journal poll has hillary at 49, bernie at 29 with biden in the race. take biden out and she gets above and he gets a bump. 58 to 33. it's a 20 to 25 point difference there. is that bump going to continue?

>> i think the real significant thing here is in the early states in iowa and new hampshire and recently bernie sanders had taken the lead over hillary in new hampshire. i know a few polls show her reclaiming the lead. a very close race. her advantage over bernie sanders has been single digits. the threat that biden posed immediately was if nothing else he was taking more support from hillary clinton than he was from bernie sanders. so you look in the early states where hillary clinton was already struggling, if you add joe biden to the mix it threatened the possibility that it could lead to a sanders victory in iowa and maybe in new hampshire and maybe a sanders victory in both first two states. you try to imagine what the political world would look like if hillary clinton who entered the israce as the biggest front runner ever. if she was to get tripped up in the first two states by bernie sanders that would create chaos and the story line of her camin

pacru -- campaign crumbling apart. i think the most significant thing this does immediately is this improves her standing in the key first two states where she has been having trouble. >> do you think biden would have changed the tone of the race? >> it's interesting. the last two days when people started to say maybe he is serious about this what was he talking about? i'm somebody who can reach across the aisle and work with republicans. i don't see republicans as my enemy. in a way it would be a curious way to enter a democratic primary bay saying i'm more friendly with the other side than these guys. that seemed to be a contrast interested with hillary clinton who had talked about being proud to have republicans as an enemy. if that was a theme that would have been an interesting dynam to the campaign. >> steve kornacki, thank you. that brings us to today's bing pulse question for you to

tell us what you think. do you think this was a good day or a bad day for vice president biden. please weigh in and keep voting through the show because we are checking on the results as we go along. i want to bring in former chief economist to vice president biden. matthew litman, former speech writer for senator biden and e.j. deon of the washington post. welcome to you all. >> thank you. >> we have a lot to talk about. i want to give each of you 30 seconds, just 30 seconds to say whether you think it was a good day or bad day for joe biden. let's start with jared. 30 seconds. >> i'm off. i think it was a good day for joe biden and his family. and for the party. i think he made the right call and i think if you think you are not going to see a lot of joe biden in the next few months you

are not paying attention. when he says he will play a role in this campaign i believe him. this is a scrappy kid from scranton, pennsylvania who pulled himself up 40 plus years in politics based on wit and raw intelligence. he ain't going anywhere. >> off the stage, though. i'm going to hand it to matthew. you beat the buzzer. 30 seconds for you. good day or bad day? >> i will cheat. it is a bad day for america. joe biden was exactly the kind of public servant that people want. in time joe biden is not going to be involved in public life and public service that much anymore and for that that is a big loss. i have to say today is a bad day. >> bad day for biden and america. is that your point? >> yeah. >> jennifer, 30 seconds for you. good or bad? >> it's a great day for joe biden because it is joe biden's decision. joe biden in his gracious announcement talked about the issues that he wants to speak

loudly about. on behalf of the democratic family who didn't want to see our family fight inside of each other we are all kind of happy about this because nobody wants to have to choose. the issues identified are issues that hillary clinton is speaking about whether it is child care, whether it is the middle class, jobs. she issued a longer statement which was a very gracious statement talking about his role in the auto industry. good day. >> time's up. you can vote at home. e.j. you get the last 30 seconds. >> good day. if he wanted to get in he had to get in before the last debate. the last debate hillary clinton sort of recaptured the heart of the party. people were very glad about that. kevin mccarthy helped unite democrats. if he had gotten in it would have been a very personal race because there aren't big issue differences and made a promise we know he will keep. he said i will not be silent.

thank god joe biden can't be silent. >> great point. three goods, one bad and the voting pulse suggests that most of the people agree. let's see if we can move this a little bit. i want to play you some sound of joe biden making some criticisms here of hillary clinton for the quip of that republican debate. >> i don't believe like some do that it is naive to talk to republicans. i don't think we should look at republicans as our enemies. they are opposition. they are not our enemies. and for the sake of the country we have to work together. >> you said this was a good day, but joe biden is not going to control the political debate moving forward. how can that actually be a good day for joe biden? >> well, first of all, i was thinking of joe biden and his family. i was thinking about the democratic primary that is ongoing. if anybody thinks when he says i'm not going to be quiet that

that means he will sit in the background and quietly applaud all of the candidates no matter what they say that is wrong. he has very strongly held views and he will make them known. i think the question what you heard is that i have been dealing with republicans in this town for a while now and part of the time working for joe biden. and it is not your grandfather's congress, your grandfather's house or senate and working with the opposition is very tough these days. it's not just i want to work with you because we agree to compromise. >> i have another sound byte here about the kind of regret that the vice president talked about, what he would have accomplished as president. let's take a listen to that. >> i believe we need a moon shot in the country to cure cancer. it's personal. i know we can do this. if i can be anything i would have wanted to be the president that ended cancer because it's

possible. >> i would have wanted to be that kind of president. come on, matthew. there is a regret dripping from all of this announcement. people who think it is a good day for joe biden, he may look good to us but he doesn't sound like he is feeling good right now. >> joe biden wants to be president and he is not going to be president. for joe biden this is not a great day but the good news for joe biden is he is going to be -- we all love joe biden. he has been a leader in the senate for over 40 years and the vice president and exemplified what you are supposed to do in the senate. 29 years old he is elected to the senate. he wasn't a rich business person like a lot of people are. he did it for the right reasons and we romanticize biden a little bit because he is what we want our elected officials to be. >> governor you have run for office yourself successfully. i want to play something from a

debate where biden was talking about foreign policy back in 2008 when running for president. let's listen to what he said then. >> senator biden would you pledge that iron would not build a nuclear bomb on your watch? >> i pledge to keep america safe. presidents make wise decisions informed not by a vacuum, but by the situation they find themselves yt world y. will do my power to stop iran from getting a nuclear weapon but i will never take my eye off the ball sgrm ball. >> when you are running for office you imagine yourself in that office. this has got to be a difficult proposition for joe biden to accept today. >> although i would say even respecting that clip, working with the president to get the iran deal he has fulfilled what he pledged way back then.

and what he had said today was that he will continue to speak out. i just have to emphasize this. hillary clinton in her statement said history is not done with joe biden. he's not finished. just because he announced this does not mean he is going to go away. he is still going to serve in this administration. who knows what is in the future? all i can say is i believe joe biden will continue to serve in some way to fulfill the ends that he has always wanted to achieve. >> e.j., last round for you. recent polling pennsylvania put him in head to heads against all of the republican candidates and he beats them all. in that hard core scranton scrappy rust belt type of world that joe biden knows so well he does better than actually hillary clinton on all of these matchups. that has to have been eating at him today and the last few days. >> i think this was eating at him. i think this was a terribly hard

decision. i really do think the death of beau had such a not despair but despondency for such a long time. i still think that colbert clip explains where he is coming from. he still would like to be president. i hope that hillary clinton listens to him on issues related to blue collar americans because he has always had a feel for them that he has never been comfortable with an elitest liberalism. he has always been a labor kind of liberal. that is the kind more likely to win the election. >> a powerful day from a special politician. thank you to the panel for being such good sports. let's take a quick look at the results so far of the bing pulse question. a good or bad day for vice president joe biden.

77% say good day. 23% say bad day. please keep voting. we'll be checking results as we go through the show. coming up the social media reaction to joe biden's big aun announceme announcement. and a pivotal day ahead. former secretary of state is set to go head to head with the benghazi committee tomorrow. and developing news. congressman paul ryan met with members of the freedom caucus a short while ago. can he win their support to become speaker of the house? stay with us. the cold truth is... [coughing]

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i haven't met anybody who cares who the speaker is going to be. what they really care about is what they are going to do when they get a new speaker. >> that was the back of new jersey governor chris christie today talking earlier at a town hall. in recent weeks it appears he is

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secretary of state hillary clinton will likely be wrapping up one of the defining moments of her campaign to date. she will testify before the select benghazi committee. when she walks into the room for the eight hour ordeal she will be on with new momentum. in recent weeks newspapers across the country including the "new york times" have called for this committee to be shut down. senate democrats want the gop to pay back the money spent to run the committee. those calls come after two house republicans conceded that the committee was set up to bring down clinton and her poll numbers, too. and then there is this. a brand new poll found 59% of americans are sick and tired of hearing about the clinton e-mail story. but at the same time it is not plain sailing. 48% of americans think she has not been honest about how she

handled her e-mail. joining me now is political reporter for the "new york times." i want to start out with how hillary is going to play this tomorrow. let's listen to how she did it last time, the kind of tone she adopted. >> the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest or guys out for a walk who decided to kill americans? what difference at this point does it make? >> can she afford to do this kind of thing tomorrow? >> i think the goal is to come out with no news or progress or change having been made. the public is confused about what the point of inquiry is and why it is still on the e-mails. if she inchanges the narrative it's bad for her. if she can steer clear of that it is good for her. >> this is the same poll asking people what they thought of the committee itself.

32% said the committee was learning the facts. 52% said it was going after hillary clinton. how does she get to that public perception that this committee is just about going after her? >> at this rate sit back and wait for more republicans to talk about it. her greatest advantage has been people not on the committee talking about the committee which is a headache for trey gowd k gowdy who is running it. >> he goes out and says stuff which doesn't make him sound like he has it all under control. let's take a listen to what he said. >> thursday is about the three times of benghazi, before, during and after. i get there is a presidential campaign going on. i have told people to shut up talking about things you don't know about. he has a problem here in how he

controls his committee. >> i think had izgoal is keep it focused on the substance. get real answers about the preparedness of american forces in benghazi. if there are questions he wants to ask about e-mails or business interest of friends i'm sure he will get there. i think the public is waiting to see how it relates back. >> is it about benghazi or the e-mails? stick to the substance but what is the substance? >> i think they want to know about the failure of security and whether anything could have been done or prevented. so far it is hard to articulate what they have found that hillary clinton should be blamed for. where was she at fault and what failure could be laid at her door. they have to be careful about presenting it in a way that seems credible. >> an ad from her superpac about her credentials as secretary of

state. >> as secretary of state she stood strong for america traveling almost a million miles never backing down. now republicans are playing politics over benghazi grmpt sh never backing down. if she is not going to get in front of them and say i'm going to fight this then her supporters will. >> it allows her to be on the straight and narrow and stay away from the politics. that is what super pacs are for. as a second superpac attacking her with ads showing pictures of dead americans in benghazi which sn is not going to go over well for the average person. >> be sure to watch clinton's testimony tomorrow special coverage at 9:00 a.m. eastern here on msnbc.

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president. i can understand why he didn't. >> i think it is hillary's time to shine. >> he has done so much good as just the different offices that he has had. in the other hand i think he would have made a wonderful president. >> people in delaware reacting to the news that he will not run for president in 2016. with me now to talk about the big online reaction we saw. >> there is lots of chatter about biden today. there are about 220,000 tweets. this timeline is from 9:00 to about 5:30 today. you see a big spike around noon and 12:30 which is when the news started to break and everyone was tweeting reactions. a huge spike there. >> the orange, the big orange means more tweets. >> the orange is the orange doubt is actually around donald trump's tweets. that's the time when he posted his reaction when he said

hillary will be easier to run against. >> his one was bigger than joe biden's in terms of impact? >> it got a lot of engagement and retweets. more tweets in the moment that biden made his announcement but trump's tweet got a lot of reactions of its own. >> let's switch to google. >> there was a spike in google searches about biden. the top question was how old is joe biden. it indicates that many people are thinking that he might be too old to be running for president. he has run for president before many times. a couple other questions that people were searching is why isn't joe biden running for president? the number five most googled question is has joe biden run for president before. >> pretty basic information but tells you what the voters are

looking for on google. >> want to pull up one tweet from a famous actor who worked in the white house that caught our attention. >> this is a tweet by kal penn and tweeted reconsider with a broken heart emoji and posted a gif of him fist bumping biden. it was a cute moment showing his support for biden in kind of a fun way. >> wearing his joe biden aviators. >> that's great. thank you. let's check today's bing pulse. was it a good day or bad day for joe biden? 75% of you said a good day. 25% said bad day. keep on voting. we will check it out through the show. still ahead thrks rocky road to becoming speaker of the house. paul ryan says he will run for the job if jop agrees to a list

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him. they have until friday to make their decision but may vote whether to indoers him to tonight. the man he may replace, house speaker john boehner says he thinks ryan will get the support he needs. >> i think paul ryan would make a great speaker but this decision is up to the members. i think paul is going to get the support that he is looking for that he laid out a very clear vision of how he would run the speakership and i thought the members responded well to him. >> joining me now are republican strategist rory cooper and dana millback of the washington post. thanks for being here. >> how are you? >> rory, i would like to start with you here about how hard it's going to be for ryan to win over his hard liners. we got sound from two members of the freedom caucus talking about the speaker's race. >> i think it is pretty presumptious to think paul ryan

is the only person to win this. there are really good members of congress that could make a huge difference and make this place work a lot more evffectively. >> this is a big job not to be taken lightly. i don't think we should rush through this. it might take longer than friday. >> rory pretty presumptuous. >> listen, it's a hard job and paul ryan knows it's a hard job and that is why he wanted to spend time focusing on tax reform. he selflessly stepped up. some of the members who are saying these things right now whether or not paul is the right guy are same people cheer leading the decision by mitt romney to make him his running mate. there is a question of if not paul ryan who? paul ryan right now is the absolute best messenger and best leader. the fact he is stepping up and willing to be the communicator willing to unite the conference

is something that should be applauded. if the members don't get behind it they need to say this is what we proposed because so far we haven't heard that after boehner sat down. if it's not paul ryan they need to start coming up with answers. >> they say they want a weak speaker and got lots of people in the wings who want to do this thing. >> the problem with a weak speaker is you have a weak majority. right now we have a historic majority that leaders have helped push through by going out there on the road doing the hard work, building a consensus policy agenda in the house that is popular among american voters. that is the kind of thing that leadership does. if you have a speaker that nobody has heard of and is not there uniting the conference you have a harder time building this historically large majority which has been built under president obama's failed agenda. >> i would like to list paul

ryan's demands here so we can all see them because this is what strong leadership apparently needs to get into place. divided party must unite behind him. update house rules, party of proposition and not opposition and no sacrifice of family time. that family time thing that gets to the fundraising job that the house speaker has. if paul ryan is not going to raise money how will he exercise power with this caucus? >> that is another element. he is saying he will take the job if these hard liners forego their ability to challenge him. you give up what is called this motion to vacate the chair so therefore they can't do what they have been doing to boehner and what they were going to do to mccarthy which is threaten to kick him out of his job. if he can secure that and is not at all clear that he can he will be a strong speaker. now, he can be the speaker right

now if he would give up those kinds of demands and do whatever the hard liners want. he knows he will just be in trouble a few weeks from now when he gets to a tough vote. i think he is playing this very smart in saying he needs to have these guarantees that he will actually have control over the caucus. so i think that is the really big issue here. they can deal with that in doing the fundraising and have somebody else do that. >> i want to come back to something you said about if not paul ryan then who? friends at nbc's first read spelled out some kascenarios saying it could start an all out civil war and some deciding not to run for re-election because the house is so ungovernable. if you thought kevin mccarthy pulling out of speaker's race was chaotic just think about -- are you afraid of all-out civil

war if paul ryan does rnt take this? >> i think the state of play in the house is at its peak. i don't think you see members fleeing their house seats because of this decision or any other right now because they know that there is a long game. to the family point which dpoez to the same question which is paul ryan might not be on the road as much as many past speakers but the point is to raise money. what other member of the house republican conference is able to bring in that type of fundraising better than paul ryan can? he can do it remotely in a way other members haven't because people are excited about the ideas he talks about and his leadership. i would rather have him on the road less and happily spending time with his family and someone having a hard time being a draw to a fundraiser or donor. >> i want to pick up on the family argument again. i fully respect the desire and

need. we couldn't let this pass without looking at how ryan has voted on issues related to american families during his tenure in the house. he voted against the bill to get paid paternity leave to federal employees and voted to cut child care subsidies. family time is important for him but apparently he doesn't think it is a budget demand or priority for him when it comes to his votes. >> that's pretty cheeky of you. he didn't say he cares about everybody's family. he cares about his family. he has to get up there to wisconsin on the weekends to be with them. that's the whole crazy irony of this thing of these conservative hard liners going after paul ryan is some sort of squishy moderate. this is a guy who wants to privatize and dismantle much of the entitlement system talking about social security and medicare and medicaid.

so this is always a political battle when you have people preaching family values and what they are doing in terms of spending. i'm sure paul ryan's defenders perhaps will say that he thinks he is doing what is in the best interest of american families. he was only saying he wants to do what is in the best interest of his family. >> maybe he will vote differently now. last thing nbc news poll asked republican voters how they feel if ryan was speaker. 63% said comfortable and 28% said skeptical and uncertain. there is a lot of consensus there. >> if you look at poll that just produced in new hampshire you had two-thirds of republican voters who are looking for a leader who is leading the conference and willing to compromise. just like at the conference level between members you see different results with different polls. and the polls have to reflect

what the consequences of not finding unity and compromise are which our poll showed people don't want the dysfunction that they have been seeing in washington between republicans and democrats. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you. and our sister network cnbc has announced the lineup for its primetime republican debate ensz wednesday. donald trump, ben carson, marco rubio, jeb bush, carly fiorina, mike huckabee, ted cruz, kasich and rand paul. that leaves four candidates in the earlier debate, rick santorum, bobby jindal and senator lindsey graham. still ahead, how the state of texas treats women when it comes to reproductive rights. only ten abortion clinics are left in the lone star state. a different war in hollywood. how actresses of a certain age

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funds. senator ted cruz applauded the move saying i encourage every state to follow texas lead in stopping taxpayer funds from going to planned parenthood. i will continue to lead the fight in the united states senate to defund planned parenthood. only ten clinics remain open in texas. laws recently passed that could force many more toclose. even though clinics are challenging laws in federal court is it only a matter of time before the rest of the country starts to look a lot like texas? joining me now national reporter writing about the people on the front lines of this battle in a special feature called shuttered on msnbc.com. welcome. >> thank you. >> the great thing that the it brings together the voices of the people engaged in this. i want to play sound.

>> i realize that at some point there is only so much i can do in my life and so much control over it. and my fear of safety took a back seat and i said if i'm providing abortions in texas and helping other people i am okay with that. >> even if i die tomorrow. this is a doctor talking about his every day job. >> this is a man he is 30 years old. every week he travels hundreds of miles within texas, three different cities across this vast state to provide these services to women who need it. it is these doctors that are center of restrictions passed in states across the country and may reach the supreme court. the doctors that do this are risking their lives. other abortion providers have in been murdered and facing a series of hurdles that may put them well out of business and make them unable to serve women

who come to them. >> life is hard for them and the women seeking out this kind of health care. how far do they have to ravel? >> in texas the situation is that half of the clinics have already closed and half may close yet again. the cumulative impact being 75% of abortion clinics in texas closing if the supreme court allows the full force of the law to go into effect. texas already did not have a ton of abortion providers. you are talking about it being common for women to wait 20 days for an appointment. they need to wait 24 hours and listen to state mandated counseling and have an ultrasound and have to look at it. for some women talking about traveling 250 miles each way. >> there is a map tracking past and possible closures in texas and beyond. in 2011 a total of 75 clinics. in 2015 only 42 left if those restrictions are upheld 20 clinics will remain.

it's stunning that change over such a fast pace of time. >> these states we focused on in particular in the project on shuttered. the reason we focused on these states is because they have been real laboratories for conservative policy whether in voting rights or abortion rights, access to contraception and cumulative impact is that for women seeking health care including abortion many barriers remain and with their told you can go to the next state. look what is happening at the states around. >> thank you as you heard if you want to read the full report hear more interviews go to msnbc.com/shuttered. coming up -- happy 59th birthday carry fisher. the actress has a lot to celebrate including looking her age in one of the most anticipated films of the year.

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by now we have all seen the brilliant new "star wars" trailer that had die hard fans breathless. the film reunited original cast members in a brand new story. one particular shot has everyone talking because it is shining a spot light on one of the uglier truths of being a woman in hollywood. wh what struck many people is that somewhere in a galaxy far, far away women are allowed to look their age. fisher was 20 years old when the first film was released. she turns 59 today at a time when hollywood has fewer and fewer options for older women. liz plank is a senior editor. >> how are you? >> i want to start with a personal hero who had this to

say when was asked about maggie gyllenhaal 37 years old told she was too old to play the lover of a 55-year-old man. >> that's ridiculous. honestly. so annoying. so annoying. and we all sat there watching james bond having sort of as james bond got more geriatric. >> is it worse than it used to be or is it the same? >> it's telling of our society that we give ourselves a pat on the back for letting a woman age. it's amazing what t"star wars" s

doing. it's ashame it is the exception and not the rule. women still peak at age about 34 in hollywood whereas for men it is much later, they are 55 years old. women are being pushed out of roles much more than men. it's not just a representation issue. it's an economic issue, too. >> let's talk about someone in that range, ann hath away who talked about the age and gender bias like this. when i was in my early 20s parts would be written for women in their 50s and i would get them. now i'm like why did that 24 year old get that part. i can't be upset about it. it's the way things are. do people really have to be this resigned to it? it is crazy that ann hathaway is considered old. how did we get to this position and why do great actors like

anne hathaway say i have to accept it? >> it is absolutely outrageous a woman at age 32 is considered too old for certain roles. it's ridiculous. the reason is that we value looks over other things a lot in hollywood, but it's particularly relevant or salient when it comes to women. women whether it is in hollywood or anywhere else are much more valued based on looks than anything else. we see them not as valued and you have the love interest of someone who is 60 like denzel washington none of the love interests are over the age of 35. harrison ford is 15 years older than carey fisher. this is great but still not perfect. >> let's not give them too much of a high five. the age difference is real. >> that is a gap between 59-year-old woman and 72-year-old man.

>> absolutely. we see this having effects in the real world. what we see in hollywood effects the way we relate to people in politics and other realms of society. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you for your insight. >> thank you so much. >> and thank you for watching msnbc live. i'm richard wolffe. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. >> no more biden his time. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. joe biden wants to run for president and made clear he wants to challenge hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. what is stopping him is not the commitment but the timing. >> as my family and i have worked through the grieving process iav