here's the playoff pitch on the way and it's in there. strike three. the mets win the pennant. the new york mets have won the national league pennant. >> oh wow. welcome to morning joe. it's thursday, october 22nd. did you see that, joe? you stayed up late to watch, right? >> i sure did. in between watching back to the future on back to the future day with my children, we were flipping over. it was really just unbelievable what the new york mets were able to accomplish and who knew mike

barnical that they babe ruth on their team? >> never done before in playoff history. absolutely amazing. the mets absolutely turn that crowd right around in the first inning. with their pitching, joe, i would have to say they are the odds on favorite to be the next world series champion. >> willy, where did this come from? >> the manager said they never let them up for air. two months ago they were a five under team and this pitching turned out, one home run away from tying barry bonds. we still got a whole world series to go. >> one of the keys here is the general manager of the new york

mets pulled off a series of trade july 31st that absolutely transit formed that team as willie just indicated literally overnight. >> that's why he's so smart. hey mika, let me ask you about your reaction. a big shocker yesterday, certainly for us. joe biden not running. he wanted to run. he dreesperately wanted to run.

yesterday vice president joe biden diddo that. his wife jill and president obama, he bowed out of the 2016 race for the white house but not before framing the vision of the campaign had he chosen to run. >> as my family and i have worked through the grieving process, i've said all along what i said time and time again to others. it might close. i've concluded it has closed. i know from previous experience that there's no timetable for this process.

the process doesn't respect or much care about things like filing dead lines or debates and primary ris and caucuses. i also know that i couldn't do this if the family was not ready. the good news is the family has reached that point. bo was our inspiration. unfortunately, i think we're out of time to mount a winning campaign for the nomination. while i will not be a candidate, i will not be silent. i intent to speak out clearly and forcefully to influence as much as i can where we stand as a party and where we need to go as a nation. this party, our nation, will be making a tragic mistake if we walk away for a tempt to undo

the obama legacy. the american people have worked too hard and we've come too far for that. democrats should not only defend this record and protect this order, they should run on the record. >> as the new york times reports today things we all know, joe biden did not like hillary clinton and the thought of him stepping aside and letting her get the nomination was galling. >> he thinks he would be a stronger general election candidate and i promise you he

thinks he would be a better president than she would be. the thing she said in her debate about republicans represents what he thinks between the two of them. it's showed us how quickly the world has moved on from his announcement. i listened to cbs radio this morning at 5:00 a.m. no mention of joe biden's decision there. this is a big personal decision for him. for those who are fans of him, it's a huge loss but i'll say finally, there's a lot of people out there who are very relieved today who saw in him someone who wouldn't potentially be president and face a hunl uphill climb and not the tens of millions of followers than the two democrats whose trying to see have now. >> right. mike barnical, the clinton team

saying major donors are reaching out to them. >> the amounts of money the clintons have raised over the past years bothered him in terms of what he was doing to the political process and the whole idea of oceans of money. there is a picture. if we could get a close were picture. there's a picture on the front page of the vice president and if you look at that picture and he looks at his wife, you can see in that picture a combination of relief and regret that was involved in this decision and it's so clear words are not needed to describe the

vice president's emotions when you see that picture. it was a combination of relief and regret. >> it was also a little bit of sadness. this is a man who effectively, his political career is over. a guy whose served 40 years and ran for president several times and now he effectively has 15 months left in his political career and that's on his faith as well. >> let me ask, inside the white house, there's a lot of fans of joe biden and there's also those close to the clinton campaign. what were the dynamics close to the white house? >> this has been emotional for everybody. joe biden has been the good

soldier. we know throughout the course of this process that's dragged on for three months now, probably the person inside that he talked most to outside of his family was president obama. having said that, you're right. these are folks who ran against hillary clinton and folks close to people in the white house. jen and paul who have gone on to work for hillary clinton. this is why it's an awkward nomination. >> i think there's a small door open. he did not endorse. he did this with the president by his side. he did not say he doesn't want to run, can't run but he's run out of time.

i don't know. clinton and sander's support has grown. clinton by five points and sanders by six points. iowa democrats do not care clinton has been forth coming about her home e-mail server. 81% saying it doesn't bother them. 18% saying it makes them less supportive. they've expressed concern she's delayed or flip flopped on key decisions 81% saying he does not

care he describes himself that way. >> yes, it is not your father's republican party and it is not your father's democratic party. a resent pole showing, national pole that showed more democrats are comfortable with socialism than capitolism. mark, we look at the poles out of iowa and new hampshire. we also hear candidates talking about a strategy beyond iowa and new hampshire. somewhere in the midst of april when they go to the big states. now, this is juliannie thinking from 2008, it never works. iowa and new hampshire are going to frame the battle. with that being the reality, this democratic race is still up in the air. >> it is. the pole shows both sanders and clinton are well liked.

the vice president not running. not much an an impact in iowa. the socialism thing doesn't hurt sanders if you look at the pole. the gun issue does hurt him the pole suggests and it's going to be interesting to see his campaign let word out. they're going on the air with television adds. they haven't been on the air, hillary clinton has. it's a huge battle and while bernie sanders is thinking about stakes beyond the first two, no doubt he needs victories in one or both of these and hillary could be the nominee by mid-february. >> nicole wallace, i want to follow up on it. a lot of people scratching their heads going how can a socialist be doing so well in a democratic party. why aren't the republicans like 0 years ago? why aren't they like ike?

then why wasn't he like calvin coolage and then it's god, we sure miss mckinley. the extremism is shocked on both sides. >> the heart candidates. it's more of the passionate progressives in the democratic

party. there's a strain on it on both sides. it's a surprise that a lot of democratic primary voters are completely comfortable with a gun loving socialist but it is interesting. >> in a few short hours clinton -- what some are calling a make or break moment in the race for the white house. secretary clinton has been off the campaign trail at her washington home preparing for what is slated to be eight hours of testimony. let's bring in casey hunt with a look at how we got here. >> good morning. that testimony starts at 10:00 a.m. and expected to go potentially into the evening. to give you a sense of just how high stakes that is, that preparation she's been doing, if she really makes just one

mistake in all of those hours of testimony it's leekly to be the one thing the country remembers out of this already months long saga. conservatives demand a probe to say whether the reactions are just terrorism. >> the fact is we have four dead americans because of a protest or guys out for a walk? what difference does it make? >> that line is already in conservative attack adds. it's something else that the committee discovered that's shaken clinton's campaign. >> i did it for convenience and i'm sorry this has been confusing to people. that was a mistake.

i'm sorry about that. i take responsibility. >> clinton's top aids have been called in to testify behind closed doors. >> what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. whatever they might have thought they were doing they ended up becoming a partisan arm with the republican national committee. >> i have told my own republican colleagues and friends shut up talking about things you don't know anything about. >> when clinton goes before the committee today she'll sit in the first room she sat as a lawmaker. >> i'm here as a mother, a wife. >> this time becoming the first woman presidential candidate to

testify before congress. >> even if her performance today is flawless, willie, she probably isn't going to be done with at the mail story. this department has several more e-mails to release between now and january. >> casey hunt on capitol hill. thanks, casey. hillary clinton has answered many questions on benghazi before. what are you looking for new? >> i don't know if there is anything new. this has been investigated. we had an internal review. obviously, the big outlier, a lot of e-mails that past investigators didn't get. this is the kind of story that turns people away from politics.

in the ways both democrats and republicans -- no compromise. very uncivil. he eased the word petty. he struck a cord when he said four more years of this kind of pitch battle may be more than this country can take. he was warning. >> the republicans are not our enemies. chris, back to benghazi for a minute. hillary and her people feel like they've answered everything. how is the committee viewing

this? the question is how much will hillary back off and how combative will she be and how much will she allow democrats to take over that roll for her? there's that balance. she has to do two things here. the people watching and the sound bites that will come up and you don't want that kind of piece of sound going out there again. what difference does it make? on the other hand there's a true legal aspect to this. that's why she's been held up in her house with her husband and advisers over the last week studying up on this and getting ready for this hearing. >> we'll talk more about this and biden's announcement coming up. still ahead we'll preview the

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we have brought out in this campaign over 250,000 people to meetings. we have 650,000 individuals that have contributed to our campaign. our job is not just to defeat republicans. our job is to revitalize american democracy. >> 25 past the hour. we have a new pole from massachusetts showing donald trump receiving nearly half of the vote in the republican primary. the pole taking up friday to sunday of last week found trump with 48% among the 11 listed

candidates. ben carson is 34 points behind at 14% with marco rubio at 12, joe. >> up 17 points since july at 48% when is this a tko? people coming on the show saying the plateau. >> it's a very political place. it is still the case that someone has to step forward to stop him in some of these places

if these numbers don't take a serious hit before february he's going to win a lot of delegates. i think there's a possibility now that those who have said as voters start to focus, you're going to see a lot of republicans. there's two in the wall street journal today. you're going to see a lot of focus, television adds, red rick that says this man can't be our nominee. it's going to be a huge face off and right now, 50% of massachusetts republicans say half the establishment were with trump. >> they already know donald trump's background. they know his background, they know he gave money to hillary clinton. he's already said yeah, i did it. as a business man i had to work all sides. you got a problem with that? they know he's flip flopped on aborti abortion. there's nothing that the republican establishment, wall street can throw at trump voters

don't already know. >> you made that candidate in a crowded field that far up in every corner of the republican primary. >> his dominance is unprecede unprecedented. >> that's her only opportunity and unwillingness and lack of

focus on doing that is unstartling to me. i thought jeb had a good fight with him on 911 this weekend. the fact -- you'll see how that works out. the only way to sort of, people may still choose donald trump. the only chance, i think he borders on 911. >> the conversation, jeb was the one that was suppose to sort of carry this party to the nomination. i was just watching some event he did, he was talking about super girl or something and he

just seems off on every level. >> he's a very serious guy. that's not where the country is. the elector loves what donald trump is selling. >> just compared to donald trump he's looking thrown off. >> at his best moments. >> at his best moments jeb bush would be a finalist against trump and could beat him. in his worst moments not even close. >> super kwirl looked pretty hot. i don't know what channel it was

on but i'm looking forward to that. >> yeah. >> mika, here's the deal. you got to be who you are. you got to be authentic. one of the most maddening things in 1987 and 1988 was he wanted us to think he's a country guy that listened to country music while driving around eating beef jerky and every time he tried to be something other than the statesman, the great statesman he was, he embarrassed himself. jeb bush has to go full on serious. he has to start each speech by saying you know what, i'm a dark. i'll admit it. i don't may not want me to hang

out with you and your friends over the weekend because i'm going to slip off to my laptop and figure out how to fix the mess. that's who i am. i'm a dork. i'm boring. i am like my father, a quiet man, but i hear the quiet people when they speak. >> okay. >> he's got to be himself. >> he's not. >> when he talks about super girl, he's not and it's embarrassing. >> if i could just say when you're on the campaign trail for 16 hours a day and he feels questions all day long, i think he is getting the short end of both sticks here. donald trump says more stupid things in 15 minutes than jeb bush says in a month. nobody cares. >> it isn't that it's unfair. >> why? donald trump is tapping into the inpolite truths. my point isn't that the campaign should complain about coverage. the campaign should adjust.

the campaign should adjust and engage donald trump and willing to dirty him up. people can't hold him to a standard that isn't realistic. >> i think what joe just described is realistic. >> i didn't see the whole event. i assume he was asked something about that. who knows. >> let's go back. >> he's not at 7% because of super girl. >> i'm sure there were context. mark is right, as the establishment accepts that donald trump could be the nominee, you'll see negative adds coming and a question of negative negative blt. they'll say you might like donald trump but if you want a republican in the white house, he's not the way to go. you talk a lot about i need to, what bush has to do and rubio and the candidates, what's your

o our responsibility with trump? that question has been answered. yes, he could win the nomination and be the president. let's start asking whether he should be the nominee and whether he should be the president. let's start betting this guy like a real presidential candidate. let's test him and make him squirm. let's challenge him. let's put him through the ri gor he puts other candidates through. let's stop this can he, can he not be the nominee. of course, he can be the nominee. he could be our president. >> all right. on tomorrow's show we're going to have a special round table discussion with presidential

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>> urging to pass the nondiscriminational act. that's part of his documentary on show time. compared to what? the journey of barney frank. he joins us with bill crystal as well. a lot to talk about including that, joe. the massachusetts pole as well. but bill crystal just set on the set and said everything is going according to planned. everything. >> you know, that's the emperor telling darth vader as they stroll on to the death star it is all proceeding as i've seen. barney frank, first of all, i want to talk about what we're seeing in your documentary and i want to ask about your fellow slo voters in massachusetts. first the documentary.

>> tip o'neal's action coming out of the room. >> coming out of the wound. is that how he put it? tip needed some counselling about this and mike was the recipient. >> tell that story. that sounds awkward. >> we were golfing on a saturday morning, he had just seen barney in washington and we pulled the golf cart over and i went out and got his club from him and got out of the car and he comes up to me and says i forgot to tell you, barney came to see me yesterday and he's all done in politics. i said what are you talking

about? he said he's all done and going to announce he's coming out of the room. >> it was always wonderfully sympathetic. he's one of the least -- of any kind. that's a great story. i love it. i want to show you something, bill crystal. you're always so -- on these things. look at this massachusetts pole. ben carson at 14 and down the line candidates you might see yourself reporting.

>> i don't know what's going on in massachusetts. i think things are going as plan. now this is going on. he did okay in the poles for a while. he's not going to be the nominee. we'll be fine. i want you to calm down. the establishment hasn't totally ignored trump. four months ago i said take trump seriously. now he's in total pan ek and there's a few poles that show

28%. >> show loved saying oh, you guys are all underestimating trump. do you think he's going to be the nominee? >> we can show you a clip after clip after clip after clip of your incorrect predictions about donald trump and your prediction of its imminent collapse. everybody's waking up to the fact he could win this thing. >> he's not going to win. >> we don't know whether he is or not. that's the mistake the media is making and the mistake you've been making. maybe he does or doesn't. we don't know. what does the republican establishment do at this point to stop donald trump. a man who has 48% is massachusetts whose running away with it in oklahoma, whose running away with it in nevada. south carolina and connecticut in all demographic groups. how does the republican establishment come together and

stop that? >> you and i agree on this. most of what they do try to help him. they should. >> you think they should be taking him on. let that stand? >> it's fine if people want to put up adds. >> not adds put should they be engaging him in the meeting? >> if you heard anything, not policy but a vision for america. why did trump hit a nerve? they don't, bill. that's why he might win. >> if all the other candidates remain as pathetic as they've been so far, i suppose. >> there you go. mike barnical. >> this is the business you use to be in. >> i miss my friends but it's fun to watch. >> yeah.

>> the massachusetts republican party has become influential. people have left the party. as a result of that, the individual popular guys think they can win and the democrats win. what you're seeing is hard core primary electorate. biden did the right thing. he's a very able man.

i did, it was a little regretful. you go back and it's clinton. there's always this tension and no, i don't think the candidate. it will be you can do whatever he did. when you look at the house of representatives, the way it's gone with republicans. i know the republican party seems to be almost out of control in terms of leadership. you've served under tip o'neal has speaker and there as jim wright was there as speaker. >> first, i think it's time to

recognize nancy's great strength. >> exactly. >> wow. >> if you look at jim wright getting beat for re-election. nancy stands out as probably the most successful, maybe the only successful speaker since tip. i agree she's a soft spoken elegant woman and under valued. secondly, i think the republicans have this problem in the presidential race. trump is not going to be the nominee. as long as he's there and says those things and carson as well. >> joe. >> i think the republicans have made this mistake over the past years against obama. they have not just had public policy. they have persuaded so many of their voters having trouble. >> joe. >> so barney, let me ask you about nancy. every time things aren't going

well for those who adore the president, they say the presidency has become too big we hear the same thing about the speaker, speaker of the house, there's all these free agents because of the internet. you look at nancy. she was as tough and as good and effective of a speak were for her party, her views and values as anybody. so that wasn't back in the 1950s. that wasn't back in the 1970s. that wasn't in the age of right or rayburn. if you're teaching a course in politics, what's the key? what should paul ryan learn on just basic leadership and running the house? what does nancy do so effectively running a very desperate caucus?

>> great question. i don't want to take it away from nancy. the best leader in the world needs good followers. i disagreed once with nancy over who should be the majority leader if i was afraid she should get mad at me. i learned something. i'm not afraid of my leader, i'm afraid of my followers. what she then did was knew the caucus and knew the important issues. by the way, i am desueded of paul ryan becoming speaker. i have never seen that relationship between the speaker and any chairman. nancy had a major role in health care as a speaker. part of the problem is she went to catholic school. the nones have shaped hermaner.

she had a great political brain. >> bill crystal, stay with us, if you can. barney frank thank you for being with us. the documentary compared to what aired tomorrow night. >> it's a quote from penny. >> exactly. i rov it. thank you very much for being on. we'll be right back with much more morning joe.

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introduce it to your children and they have the same look on their face as you had as a kid. i have to say it's so good to see michael jay fox given what he's dealt with for 30 years and how good he looks. >> the great sense of humor. >> the timing is so perfect. >> as we look into 2015, back with us on set this hour we have former white house communication adviser nicole wallace, the weekly standards bill crystal and joining the conversation nbc political analyst steve smidt. very good to have you on board. let's start with this, james. vice president joe biden announces he will not be waging a third bid for the white house. here's what he had to say yesterday alongside his wife jill and president obama. >> as my family and i have worked through the grieving process, i've said all along

what i've said time and again to others. it may very well be that process by the time we get through it closes the window on a realistic campaign for president. it might close. i've concluded it has closed. i don't believe like some do that it's naive to talk to republicans. i don't think we should look at republicans as our enemy. they are opposition. they're not our enemies. for the sake of the country, we have to work together. four more years of this kind of pitch battle may be more than this country can take. we have to change it. we have to change it. >> quiet an endorsement. soon after biden's announcement, reaction from the cross the political sphere began pouring in. some expressing their

disappointment. >> he told sam he would have kicked her, that, and you got it all. joe, i'm going to let you take it from here. i'm surprised he didn't endorse hillary clinton. what do you make of that? >> obviously, there's a lot of bad blood. james, you shouldn't read that too much into anything. that happens in politics. you find people that work closely with each other, being competitive with each other for 30 years. sometimes they have to get off the basketball court before they can sit down and enjoy each other's accompany. that's the gaeme, right. >> i hate to agree but that's true. these people have been 30 years have been politics a long time and i think he really wanted to

run for president. i think he concluded that it wasn't there and he's probably disappointed about it. >> and if it's really not there, why wouldn't he get behind the front running democrat. because he didn't say i don't want to run. i can't run. he said i've run out of time. >> well, first of all, he announced he was not running. i doubt there would be a day that was a little bit raw. there's plenty of time for him to endorse. i've taken a different view. i thought she, the campaign hates this view. i thought she would have been better off if he would have run. she would have been looked stronger. she could have run from the changed side of biden to the moderate side of sanders. >> joe, do you agree with that? >> i hate to agree with an lsu guy even though we're going to beat them in a couple of weeks but i agree with that. competition is always best.

all these people that want to run against weak candidates pay for it in the fall. hillary would have been better with joe biden in there. if i were joe biden it would be hard for me to endorse somebody that got in my line. he's vice president. he's been loyal to barack obama. he sees himself as successor to barack obama. that didn't happen. he is a little raw about it. give the guy some time. >> i'm totally sorry. hold on. i'm going to go to willie. i totally disagree with both you. i don't think he cares about whether or not his feelings are hurt about not running. i think he's had bigger things to deal with. i'm sorry. i don't think he's sitting here thinking if he truly thought hillary clinton should be the front runner, he should have endorsed her yesterday. i think there's something else going on. i think he's watching. >> announcing he's not running for president, he's not. >> sitting there disappointed

and so hurt he can't get behind her. >> yes. >> this is one day in the presidential campaign. >> i completely disagree. james, i know we talked to a lot of people around hillary clinton. now that the biden threat is behind them, what can you tell us about how worried they were? >> i think that they were, you know, obviously, politics if somebody doesn't run against you, the general reaction is that's a good thing. joe and i have a different take. look, you know, kind of unofficial slogan in a hillary campaign. the dogs bark, the caravan rolls. and that's pretty much what it

is. they found trump with 48% behind. three hours is ridiculous and it was being used for ratings. at least he got what he wanted out of this was to let everyone get off the damn stage after two hours, joe. >> yeah, trump wins again.

so steve, we hear certain campaigns talking about how they may not do well in the first two or three or four states but after that they're going to do well in the midwest. we both know iowa and new hampshire always have a multiplying effect. if you're doing well, the numbers explode. alabama all four corners of the country. if he does well in iowa and new hampshire, you just can't make a case anybody can catch him. >> this isn't so different than an nfl season. when you have a team that's suppose to do well opens up 0-4, 0-5, they lose their momentum and doesn't look like they're headed for the playoffs.

you have to win and you have to win early. i'm going to win a little bit later. one of the very, very few people in public lives and even after the error of the obama presidency is one that's going to leave after eight years. that's no small thing. that's testimony to that man's goodness. >> his legacy is during some of the most con ten, moments.

>> for the past couple of days, what have i been saying about ben carson in iowa? we don't get it but ben carson is setting himself up to actually take iowa. i've said that. if you want to figure out how to knock donald trump off, ben carson wins iowa, somebody else wins new hampshire. there's a new pole out this morning, a shocking pole. it just crossed and it is out of iowa and it confirms what we've been saying around the table. ben carson up eight points in iowa over donald trump. 28%. it is obvious, mika, trump people saw this coming because we had news breaking last night they were doubling down on their operations in iowa and just what we suspected starting last week, momentum for ben carson in iowa. this is a lightning bolt across the republican party field.

it may not change anything. it may be one pole. but it does underline what we've been sensing that carson has momentum in iowa. >> he has momentum and real grass roots support. more in iowa know his life story. there's a significant number of home schoolers in iowa. they teach his story. there's, it's amazing. i mean, this is one narrative or sort of store try that's brought it up here we missed as us, joe, when we sort of understand the policy of trying to figure out where everything is going. this came out of nowhere. >> i tell you what, when you look steve, at what we started looking at last week, mark helped us dig into this. we started talking to people in iowa more closely. we found out he has an amazing home school network there. his story is taught in home

school. a lot of home school curriculum. >> the presidential candidates don't win both iowa and new hampshire, there's always a split there on the republican

side. if donald trump comes out of the iowa caucuses in second place, dond trump isn't in a bad position heading into those states. >> and bill chris tag, he's doing well but so did rick sanatorium last time around. this can be an isolated

phenomen phenomenon. > >> the way you do it is like all these other candidates that don't have staying power and then you find somebody to knock him off in new hampshire and suddenly, being able to bill donald trump and all these huge poles all across the nation evaporate. >> i totally agree. >> we can end coming together. just the first block in the second hour. >> we can't. we can pretend we do. >> we can predend. bill crystal, thank you very much. james and steve, thank you both very much as well. are you leaving? we still have a lot to talk about. still ahead on morning joe, our political round table continues with chuck todd and andrea

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advantage going into this. that said, these are going to be tough questions. more than a thousand pages of e-mails just in the last couple of days from chris stevens, the ambassador and that is a real unknown to them. they don't know what kinds of questions, how many warnings he actually delivered. she's prepared to say the warnings were responded to and there's also the nonpartisan independent state commission report back in 2013 which concluded they did ignore a lot. her claim has been they didn't rise to her level but that's a legitimate question. why wasn't she if she was in charge. there's a lot of potential minds

in this mind field today for both sides. >> james, you've been in rare like 1990s era like aging in reverse. >> does anybody think this is not politically motivated? can i finish? what a delight. that's all he did. he set around and was ability to get hillary. tray said on fox the e-mail didn't have anything to do with benghazi. just a seskt or eighth committee invested benghazi.

>> let me tell you something, that is political. does it make it untrue fbi is looking at the server? >> so we agree that it's a totally political operation. this is a political operation. >> joe, take your show back. >> let me bring in andrea mitchell, if i can, for a second. andrea, i heard you talking about warnings being ignores and international red cross had left. there's a lot of evident they did ignore the warnings. following up on what james just sai said. what are we going to learn today that we haven't learned in the past eight or nine

investigations? >> there are e-mails that had just been sought from the committ committee. this is a test of the debate. this is a it's of her ability to handle a lot of hostile questioning. a test for the committee, of course, in their demeanor and how she handles this. this is going to be intensive and a pretty important moment for her political campaign. i'm not sure we're going to learn a whole lot more about benghazi itself but now that we're here, it's a moment to see how she handles herself under fire. this could go eight, nine, ten hours with a couple of breaks in between. there's an interesting point that amy brought up in today's new york times which i had frankly forgotten.

she's going to be in the committee where she testified on her health care plan and being on such a stage, think back to then and now and all that she's been through, this is an experience political figure and let's see how she does. >> let's bring in a member of the benghazi republican congresswoman of alabama. i guess the first question is what do you hope to get out of clinton today? what are you looking for? >> first and foremost, we hope to secretary clinton will show as candor and answer our questions and be straight forward there's new information we want to ask her about. my hope is she'll answer our questions and be straight forward and honest with us and

the american people. >> what is that new information we're going to see today that we haven't seen in the past eight or nine hearings. >> this committee has never talked to secretary clinton and the administration has never been forth right all along. we've asked for documents to be produced and for many other witnesses on the ground or involved in some way. we have a lot of ground to cover. we think there's releasing pieces and diplomat security aa great example of that. >> thank you very much. >> i would assume you agree this is a tad bit plit sized. >> absolutely.

hillary clinton decided to run for president and had high pole numbers. everything hillary clinton has done has been focussed on this one witness. >> do you say the same thing of the fbe investigation? we've had clinton laughing at it. we've had the president drawing conclusions that angered the fbi. do you think the active investigation into hillary clinton and the use of e-mail is a legitimate investigation? is it something the fbi needs to continue?

>> first of all, it's not an investigation of hillary clinton. it's looking into whether materials were classified at the time, if they were not classified, whether they should have been any steps need to be taken. >> don't try to change the subject. i'm asking you a simple question. we've been friends for a long time. answer my simple question. do you think this fbi investigation is legitimate? >> absolutely, i think it's legitimate for the justice department to look into the classification and whether any steps need to be taken. that's perfectly appropriate. what's not appropriate is to make the suggestion she's under investigation. that's not the truth. >> i didn't make the suggestion. >> joe, you were adding she was

under criminal investigation. she's not under criminal investigation based on my sources that are actually inside the justice department government. they are very concerned that some very sensitive information may have gotten out there. i don't think any of us know how this is going to conclude and we should sit back and let the fbi do their job. >> i agree completely. i have a very particular interest in making sure our intelligence is well protected. let's look at how this investigation of our committee has been conducted. last week the chairman issued a 13 page letter saying that hillary clinton risked national security by discussing a classified cia source in her private e-mail on her private se server. we learned from the cia is source isn't classified and that was a terrible misleading allegation leaked by the

committee and that's how the committee has operated. yes, it's the job of the justice department proper classification along with the intelligence committee. it's not their job to damage hillary clinton and that's how they've operated. >> we look forward to see rg you again soon. chuck, i find it hard to belief anything is going to come out today that hasn't come out over the past eight or nine hearings that's been conducted. conducted by republicans as well as democrats. you look at some of the poles here, nbc news pole is interesting. more americans than not unsatisfied with hillary's response to the benghazi attack. i'm expecting a big tune out factor with the benghazi

hearings. >> if joe biden announced he was running, there would be a different set of eye balls. there's two serious inquiries that are worth asking the secretary about. number one is this issue of embassy security. there was the exact same recommendations essentially given in 1998. 1999 after the embassy attacks that took place in east africa. so none of them, four secretaries of state failed to do this. you could start with al bright through powell, rice and clinton on that front. and the second is libya policy. the decision going in the first place. if the republicans concentrate on that, that's where there's legitimate questions, legitimate vulnerability on the sec very tear's part. overall, anybody who thinks

hillary is going to go in and lie is going to lie. the entire thing was political. >> i think what's so interesting is the clinton campaign is showing how prepared they are for attacks. >> this is a tremendous thing. >> unbelievable. >> you've got an idea of how prepared. we're going to look back in july from the debate to biden to today and then jay jay on saturday which is by the way yet four huge tests for her or you

know, huge hurdles. she may clear them all and we'll look back and say that's where she won the nomination. >> chuck todd, thank you very much. >> all for it. look at you. coming up, paul ryan is demanding that family time on the weekends be built into his possible role as house speaker and that is not going over too well with some people. interesting. ann marie slaughter joins us with her take on that and we'll ask her about her e-mails being made public as part of the benghazi investigation. all next on morning joe.

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joining us now former director for the state department. ann marie slaughter. she's the author of the new book. i love the this book. women, men, work, family. she's back here. great timing. we can talk about the book and politics. it's all so fascinating. paul ryan. yesterday there was a lot of

buzz, tweets, a lot of people, i was really support i have of his statement he's not going to give up his family time. can you imagine a woman saying that without getting burned at the stake. let me stop. nobody would do that to her. can you imagine a woman letting herself say that? >> no. the way you want to think about it is if nancy said that she wouldn't let herself. >> five kids. >> that said, it's great that he did. it's absolutely great. in fact, we've seen two men talking about family. obviously, paul ryan and vice president biden by talking about his grieving, his family and we need men to do that, to really move forward. we need men saying my family is important and we're going to make this job work so it can work. >> family is not just important. it's a fundamental part of the fabric of what we bring to the table. if you're serving this country and you're running a business

and can't keep your family in order or surging ahead in your career and can't keep your family in order, that should be a fundamental part of the equation. not well, obviously, he's giving the middle finger to america. that was the reaction he didn't want to do his job because he wouldn't put down his family. >> is it ironic it's going to take a man to change the conversation. do you think there's any weakness that here we are talking about the fact a man said what we've been dealing with more generations. >> it is ironic and frustrating. what i argue in the book is to go forward we have to make this not a women's issue. we have to make this not about everybody. the question is whether paul ryan is going to go further and help make the changes and let everybody see their family. >> i know. >> where can feel this reality

you're talking about here? where did you feel it most? >> two teenagers which was critical. >> oh my gosh. that's when it really hits the family. >> that's what i wrote about in the article. my oldest son had a rocky addlessens. i had to choose. i hit a tipping point and had to choose. i did it for two years. that was important to me and i was the first woman to hold a job and i was going to do it for two years. after two years i realized i had to go home. >> did you feel responsible for your son's rocky addlessens? >> no. my husband was home doing his best and i don't think we were responsible. it happens. >> i feel responsible. everyone tells me, i have one with a rocky road and we've been struggling and it's, i remember

actually when you came here with a cover story and i broke down into tears because i was going through the same thing and i made a different decision and who knows. >> that's right. >> do you think women feel this kind of guilt more than men do or husbands do? >> i walk around wearing it and it's the worst thing for the kids. it's better to have what she's having because she doesn't take the blame for it and she's arowaro allowed the reality to be what it is. it's taken me so long to understand i cannot wear this guilt. it's worse for the kids. they play it. they respond. >> but this is where i've changed in the sense that men wrote to me after the article. not as many as women but a lot of men wrote to me and they said i actually feel incredibly pulled to. i wish i could be home more. exactly what they're saying. society expects me to be in this role as a breadwinner and i don't have choices either. i think it's true women are

expected to be the care givers. society imposes more guilt on us and we feel it. there are an awful lot of men out there who want to be more involved with families. >> let me ask you about some of the e-mails, hillary clinton up on the hill talking about the committee to benghazi. what is your feeling about what will happen today? will the dynamic be changed at all about what's asked and answered in that room? >> i don't think the dynamics are going to change. i think people have made up their minds whether or not this is about her and something she did wrong verses what is a global problem. diplomatic security hasz been a problem for decades. it's something -- you agree to be the author and that's something that's written also we had to engage people on the ground. i don't think these hearings are

going to change. >> do you think there's a an outpost? there's a constant tension between doing what we have to do diplomatically which is not to be in fortress. the embassy looks like a bunker and i think this is not this country. this is not what it's about. she was trying to strike that balance the way all secretaries of state has and it's been a progressive problem as we're subject to the terrorist attack. >> the book is unfinished business. thank you so much. in our next hour, we're going to be joined by senator clair -- that should be fun and a reminder that our know your value movement takes over boston tomorrow. we have an incredible line up. we have samantha power, merideth, teen that brown just to name a few. we are sold out in boston. there are still tickets for orlando which is a month off. this has been a remarkable journey. we'll be right back.

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brother-in-law and we were taking this crazy idea around as secret class of explorers. as a fan of the same old stories we used to love, he sparked to it pretty quickly. >> what is the story line? >> do the pitch. >> well, it's war war i and there's a secret society of explorers canvassing the globe looking for a missing city called shambala. it's critical that it be found by the right people and it's just as critical to keep the wrong people away. >> and what attracted indiana costner? >> when he first explained it to me, he was babbling like he is now and i was having a hard time following the story.

i liked the long format of going around the world and i liked the period, sometimes when we followed our heros back then, they didn't have a secret weapon that got them out of it, a lot time it was their fists, their wit, their sense of resourcefulness. i like these kind of stories. we keep reaching back to last century to get these. who's writing them this century? often times those dpies who wrote the stories were on the yukon, in the jungles. now people get their ideas off video games and it's really not that dangerous. they don't really have that hands-on, life experience. >> how often does it strike you, given the beneficial that's been your life, just that fact, the powerful story, the real story, human being, a beginning, a

middle and an end, a wow story, have now taken a back seat it seems to these cartoonish, huge, epic movies? >> you know, i love -- i miss those. for a while there i thought i would read "moby dick" to my children at the dinner table. after about three nights -- the thing that i wanted for them to stay at the table, it was kind of putting them to sleep. not because melville put them to sleep. but it's heavy slogging, heavy duty reading. but i so yearn for that kind of story and those kind of men. >> i like it. i think everybody does. and the graphic novel, too, is capturing a whole new generation of readers, right? talk about that. >> the two sort of minor books i've done today have always had some graphic component in them. we have a top artist in rick ross.

>> i can tell that. >> a guy of this talent, i wasn't going to be shy about deploying him. it goes in and out of a panelled structure and more traditional blocks of texts. >> oh, here we go. >> that's a little arrogant. that's a little bit out over our skis, are we really going to do another one? we we we have another. people naturally attach me to the movie of this. and the one thing that we wanted to make sure was that we didn't write a book that you could see the movie coming, that's here's the sign post. we really took our time. we developed our characters and made sure that whether this is -- maybe this is never a movie. we need to stand alone. i like the idea of this taking its place next to kipling and those kind of people, jules verne. will it?

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the framing of it, the optics of it, the location of it, it was all really interesting. it bears a bigger conversation. with us we have former communications director for president george w. bush, nicole wallace, managing editor mark halperin, chris jansing and ron fournier. yesterday vice president biden ended months of speculation in a hastily called news conference in the rose garden, flanked by his wife jill and president obama. he bowed out of the race for the white house but not before he gave the vision of his campaign had he decided to run.

>> i said all along that it may very well be that process by the time we get through it closes the window on mounting a realistic campaign for president, that it might close. i've concluded it has closed. i know from previous experience that there is no timetable for this process. the process doesn't respect or much care about things like filing deadlines or debates and primaries and caucuses, but i also know that i could do this if -- i couldn't do this if the family wasn't ready. the good news is the family has reached that point. beau is our inspiration. unfortunately i believe we're out of time, the time necessary to mount a winning campaign for

the nomination. but while i will not be a candidate, i will not be silent. i intend to speak out clearly and forcefully to influence as much as i can where we stand as a party and where we need to go as a nation. this party, our nation, will be making a tragic mistake if we walk away or attempt to undo the obama legacy. the american people have worked too hard and we've come too far for that. democrats should not on defend this record and protect this record, they should run on the record. >> joe. >> we actually found out yesterday some of the other reasons why he really wanted to run, why he'd been poking hillary clinton. mark halperin, we've all known it around the table, certainly those that know some of the players in this story.

but as the new york city reports today, again things that we all know, there was quite a rivalry. joe biden did not like hillary clinton and the thought of him stepping aside and allowing her to get many nomination was galling to him. >> he thinks he's the rightful heir to what he views as a successful presidency, he thinks he'd be a stronger candidate and promise you he thinks he'd be a better president. it's in his craw. the last 18 hours have shown us the best of joe biden and it showed the special place he has in the lives of a lot of people, but it's also showed us just how quickly the world has moved on from his announcement. i listened to cbs radio this morning, their newscast on the hour, no mention of joe biden's decision there. this is a big personal decision for him, for those who are fans

for him it's a huge loss, but i'll say there are a lot of people around him who are very relieved today, who saw for him someone who would potentially be a great president and faced a huge uphill climb and not the tens of thousands of followers that those run having now. >> and we've seen the outreach of huge donors since joe biden willntering the race. >> one of the key ingredients is the amounts of money that the clinton machine has raised over the past year or so, it bothered him in terms of what he thought it was doing to the political process, the whole idea of oceans of money.

there is a picture on the front page. joe, if we can get a close-up picture. there's a picture in the paper of the vice president. as you look at that picture, as he looks at his wife, you can see a combination of relief and regret that is involved in this decision. it is so clear. words are not needed to describe the vice president's emotions when you see that picture. i think it was a combination of relief and regret at the end of the day. >> there's also a little bit of a sadness, if you take this decision out of it. this man who effectively his political career is over. he's a guy who has served for 40 years, has run for president several times, well liked among his colleagues in washington and now he effectively has 15 months in his political career. >> the wall street journal editor iial --

>> let me ask chris jansing inside the white house. there are a lot of fans of joe biden and then those close to the hillary clinton campaign. >> this has been a long process and emotionally frustraaught. he's been the good soldier. we know probably the person inside that he talked most to outside of his family was president obama, that every step of the way he was doing the political sounding board for joe biden, two men who have become very close over the course of his presidency. having said that, you're absolutely right. i mean, these are folks in some cases who ran against hillary clinton, some who are strong supporters of the vice president but also you have people who are very close to people still in

the white house, john podesta, those who have gone on to work for hillary clinton. this avoids an awkward position in the white house and a lot of senate democrats as well. >> i think there's a small door open. i see that he did this at the white house with the president by his side. he did not say that he didn't want to run, that he can't run, that he's run out of time. i don't know. we have brand new polls out of iowa that shows more voters are deciding that hillary clinton and bernie sanders are still locked in a tight race. the "des moines register" has clinton leading sanders by 7 points, 48% to 41%. both clinton and sanders' support have grown, clinton by 5 points, sanders by 6 points.

81% saying that hillary has not been forthcoming about her e-mail, 81% saying it does not bother them, 18% are less supportive. and nor does bernie sanders describing himself as a democratic socialist bother like live caucus-goer. 81% of peopling saying he-theth not care he describes himself that way. >> it is not your father's democratic party. we look at the polls out of iowa, new hampshire. we also hear candidates talking about a strategy beyond iowa and new hampshire, somewhere in the midst of april when they go to

the big states. this is rudy giuliani thinking back from 2008 it never works. iowa and new hampshire going to frame the democratic battle and the republican battle whether people in the bush camp or other camps like it or not. and would that be the reality, this democratic race is still up in the air? >> it is. the poll shows that both sanders and clinton are well liked. the vice president not running doesn't have much of an impact in iowa. the socialism thing doesn't change the polls, the gun thing does hurt the polls. they're going on the air with television ad, in iowa and new hampshire. while bernie sanders is thinking about states beyond the first two, there is no doubt he needs victories in one or both of those or hillary clinton could

be the nominee by mid february. >> nicole wallace, a lot of people have been scratching their heads saying how could a socialist be doing so well in the democratic party? we have had to read stories over the past 50 years about how this republican party has become so extreme, why aren't they like the republicans are 30 years ago? why aren't they like reagan? when reagan was there, it was like why isn't he like ike? and when ike was there, it was like why isn't he like coolidge and when coolidge was there it was like, god, why isn't he look mckinley? you realize the extremism has split on both sides, even if the press never wants to talk about how much more liberal. like, for instance, the

democratic caucus is today than it was ten years ago or how liberal this democratic prime rich voter is that's going to determine who the next democratic nominee is. >> and biden is the most recent one to disappoint sort of the heart candidates, elizabeth warren not running disappointed a lot of the passionate progressives in the democratic party. what's interesting to me is there's a strain -- i mean, occupy wall street is a movement that captured this anti-capitalism. it's part of this rejection and distrust of all institutions. so it's not surprising a lot of democratic primary voters are completely comfortable with a gun loving socialist but it is interesting. >> in just a few short hours, former secretary of state hillary clinton is scheduled to appear before the house select committee on benghazi on what some are calling a make-or-break

moment for the white house. she has been at home preparing for what is to be eight hours of testimony. good morning kasie. >> reporter: that testimony is expected to start at 10 a.m. and is expected to go potentially into the evening. to give you a sense of how high stakes this is, that preparation she's been doing, if she really makes just one mistake in all of those hours of testimony, it likely to be the one thing that the country remembers out of this already months-long saga. it one of the longest special congressional investigations in history. for 75 weeks congressman trey gowdy's committee has been investigating attacks in benghazi that killed four americans. >> the american people deserve the truth about what happened period. >> reporter: conservatives demanded the probe after the administration struggled to say whether the attacks were terrorism or just reaction to an

anti-muslim video. >> the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night he decided they'd go kill americans. what difference does it make? >> it's shaken clinton's cam n campaign. >> that was a mistake. i'm sorry about that. >> reporter: the justice department is now investigating clinton's server, but in the last few weeks, republicans may have overplayed their hand. kevin mccarthy helped sink his own ship today for speaker. >> what are her numbers doing?

they're dropping. >> i have told my own republican colleagues and friends shut up talking about things that you don't know anything about. >> reporter: when clinton goes before gowdy's committee today, she'll sit in the same room where she first faced lawmakers as first lady talking about health care. >> i'm here as a mother, a wife. >> reporter: this time becoming the first woman presidential candidate to testify before congress. even if her testimony is flawless, this story is not over. she still has several more rounds of e-mails to release. >> you have also made substantial number of public statements regarding secretary clinton's, quote, reckless disregard, and wanton disregard, quote, for security. if we're going to unilaterally

cherry pick information out of a closed investigation and make it public, it important the public have context. >> if you were serious about working with me, you'd have talked to me privately instead of politicizing this. >> senator claire mccaskill took aim at her republican counterpart during an unrelated hearing yesterday. she joins us just ahead on "morning joe." are you ready, joe? i'm ready. >> claire does that. she's known to just come on and lambaste friends without talking to them first without the air. >> i just call her honest. i like it. i'm ready. >> yeah, okay.

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14%. trump has done a couple of events in massachusetts. he's gotten a lot of boston media coverage and the boston media is typically all over him. it's the case that someone has to step forward to stop him. if he's numbers don't take a serious hit before february, he's going to win a lot of delegates. i know the numbers don't bear this out but i think there's a possibility now that those who said as voters start to focus, you'll see a lot of republicans -- two op-eds in the wall street journal today, you'll see a lot of television ads, rhetorics saying this man can't be the nominee. right now 50% of massachusetts republicans say f the establishment, we're with trump. >> they already know donald trump's background, nicole. they know he gave money to hillary clinton. he already said, yeah, i did it

because i was a businessman and i had to work all sides. up got a problem with that? they know he's flip flopped on abortion. there's another the establishment they can throw at donald trump that voters don't already know. i can't remember a republican candidate this early in a political process that was up by that much in massachusetts and oklahoma and alabama and connecticut and nevada and south carolina, you name it, geographically, ideologically, you name that candidate in a crowded field that was that far up in every corner of the nation in the republican primary. >> you know, his dominance is unprecedented and the unwillingness of the rest of the field to have a singular focus

on trying to reveal what the wall street journal does today in the two pieces mark pointed out of sort of the shallowness of some of his knowledge base, that's their only opportunity. and the unwillingness and lack of focus to doing that is startling to me. i thought jeb had a good fight with him on policy of 9/11 this morning but the fact that he's returned to rolling out policy, you'll see how that works out. i think the only way to sort of -- and people may still choose donald trump, but the only chance is to reveal -- i think he borders on trutherism when it comes to 9/11. but unless you're willing to engage him and fight with him and reveal things and let the voters decide if they're still into him at those kind of numbers, there's no chance of poppeling him. >> well, ron fournier jump.

i feel like the conversations i've heard over dinner tables has been what's going on? jeb was the one that was supposed to carry the nomination. i was watching some event he did and he was talking about super girl and he just seems off on every level, even emotionally. >> i don't think that's fair. he's a very cerebral, very wonky guy. he engages everybody and answers questions. that's just not where the country is. the electorate loves what donald trump is selling and that's the -- >> nicole, the electorate might love what donald trump is selling, just compared to donald trump, he's looking thrown off his game. i'm sorry, that's the optics. >> at his best moments jeb bush would be a finalist against trump and i think could beat him. at his worst moments, which have come too often, not even close. >> here's what i'm talking about, the sound bite.

just take a look. >> i saw super girl was on tv, she was working out this morning. there was an ad about super girl. she looked pretty hot. i don't know what channel that's on but i'm looking forward to that. >> mika, you didn't love that? >> yes. >> here's the deal, all right? you've got to be who you are. >> okay. >> you've got to be authentic. >> i've learned that. >> one of the most maddening things about george h.w. bush in 1987 and 1988 is he wanted us to think he was a country guy that listened to country music while driving around d.c. eating beef jerky, and every time he tried to be something other than the great statesman that he was, he embarrassed himself. jeb bush has to go full on serious. he's got to be himself. he's got to start each speech by

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31 past the hour. the white house says president obama will veto a sweeping defense spending bill later today because of how the measure was funded. the administration is opposed to any increase in military spending if it doesn't also come with an increase in domestic spending. the bill circumvents the cap on military spending by adding billions to a separate war fighting account. the white house called it a,

quote, funding gimmick. joining us chairman of the house homeland security committee, mike mccall. good to have you on board, sir. >> good morning. >> let's check off the list. first of all, do you support paul ryan for speaker? >> you know, i do. we're getting ready to meet with him after this. he's gained the support of the moderate, the conservative and this freedom caucus as they call themselves. i think he got that support last night. so i think he's in a strong position to move forward and i think he played it right because he didn't want to do this unless he had the full support of all the member of our conference. >> let me ask you about hillary clinton's benghazi testimony that we're looking at today. you said, if i'm correct, in 2013 benghazi will haunt clinton

if she runs again. do you think that's true? >> i think it is. i was one of the last ones to question her. there are too many agencies involved and too many different committees. we'll see today what her testimony is. i think the bottom line is we just want to know what happened that day, what her role was and what we can learn to prevent that from happening in the future. you have four dead americans, including an american ambassador. we don't want that to happen given. >> mike barnicle. >> is there a central point you'd like to see answered at the end of this day with the security or lack of security at the consulate in benghazi? is there a central point you'd like to see answered? >> the question i'd like to see answered and i asked it when i questioned her last time is with so many -- there were so many warnings prior to 9/11 on the benghazi attack and we knew that

the terrorists were there, we knew the ambassadors going to benghazi on 9/11 opposed the council outpost and why wasn't more security provided when there was a cable sent to the state department and that cry for help went unheeded and unfortunately resulted in this tragedy. who knew about this emergency cable. did she know about it and if she did, why didn't they ask for help? help me, give me your best comeback or your best swat down of that accusation because i know congressman gowdy's histories is as a prosecutor, he

has been a fact seeking mission but i feel the democrats have gained the upper hand as tainting their work. what do you of that? >> i agree. talked to trey gowdy. he's like me, a former federal prosecutor. you don't play politics with something like this. what you want to do is make it a fair and impartial hearing and if you don't do that, you lose credibility. i did the same thing when i conducted the wrangle trial on the ethics matter. the best thing they could do is keep this fair and impartial. any partisanship, you start to lose credibility.

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some of your supporters say you're not electable. they say you're too hold, they say you're too far left, they say you don't bother to brush your hair. how do you respond to certainly like that? >> it turns out that in many of the polls i am doing better than hillary is against donald trump. we're doing better. number two, when republicans

win, god forbid -- [ cheers and applause ] when they win, voter turnout is very low. we got millions of people really discouraged and have given up on the political process. we have brought out in this campaign over 250,000 people to meetings, we have 650,000 individuals have contributed to our campaign. our job is not just to defeat republicans, our job is to revitalize american democracy, bring people who have given up on the political system back into the system and create a government which represents them rather than large campaign donors. >> joining us now from capitol hill, member of the armed services committee, democratic senator claire mccaskill from missouri and pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post" kathleen

parker. good to you have both on board. claire, how are you doing? >> i'm great, mika, how are you? >> i'm really, really good. listen, nicole wanted to talk to you -- >> i just wanted to clear the air. you two are like the democratic ticket should be mccaskill, mika mccaskill. hillary clinton was the topic we were all on together. is it better now with clinton feeling her mojo with her debate performance? are you going better these days? >> i have a very bad habit in my job of saying exactly what i think. >> it's a good habit. that's why everybody loves you. >> mika and i -- i never would have gone there if it weren't for our friendship and even that

guy joe scarborough. >> i appreciate your transparency. i think it was a really fascinating conversation. >> it made me sweat. >> you were sweating but from out there in the twittersphere, i got it from all sides. i like it when you call things out and i think there is a little bit of confusion on exactly where some people stand about hillary clinton, who i think can be an amazing candidate when she's allowed to be herself. today what do you think the land mines are for hillary clinton in these hearings? >> i think it's an opportunity for her to show how prepared she is running for president. i wonder how many candidates could withstand the partisan attacks she's going to go through today for eight or nine

hours, people who want nothing but for her to fail. that's quite a challenge for her. i think she'll do very well. by the way, this is i think the 33rd hearing on this. i believe there have been 11 published reports on this, there have been eight different committees investigating. mccall said he wanted to know what happened that night. has he read the 11 published reports? because all of this information is out in the public. there has been no finding of wrongdoing by secretary of state on that night of that terrible tragedy that we lost four brave americans. >> so kathleen parker, for the allegations, accusations that this has been politicized, the republican party has not helped themselves -- >> they certainly haven't. of course kevin mccarthy's blunder, saying essentially this was a committee to bring down hillary clinton was, you know,

basically inoculates hillary clinton against almost anything point they try to make today, unless there's some big surprise that we can't and haven't anticipated. but i actually think that today -- i'd love to hear senator mccaskill's thoughts on this, i think today is a bigger risk for the republicans than it is for hillary clinton. she's got the wind in her sails from the debate performance that was quite remarkable. everything they ask her is going to be studied as whether it politically motivated or whether there's some substance there. senator, what do you think about that? >> i do think there is a risk for the republicans. i think they've already exposed the truth and there's a lot of different ways can you prove the truth that this has turned into a partisan exercise. but keep in mind that americans won't watch all of it, and the media is going to decide what is relevant. so all she has to do is make one small mistake, to have one small

slip and that will get amplified way out of proportion. that's why this remains still a very challenging day for her. it is an incredible amount of pressure. i do think it is going to be exhibit a why she's the most qualified to be commander in chief. >> ron johnson has also weighed into this conversation, if you will, and i think there's been some sharp criticism of him. is anyone questioning hillary clinton -- >> as a former prosecutor and auditor, i have done dozens of investigations in the senate. there's a way to do investigations and there's a way not to do investigations. the problem the republicans have is they have been irresponsible, they have leaked information, they have released information out of context that distorts the facts. and when you do that, then your

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i've been saying this for the past couple days. if this campaign continues to go in the direction it's been going in, you got to look at ben carson as a possibility of showing very strongly in iowa, possibly winning iowa. >> that was joe scarborough the past few days with his take on ben carson's chances on iowa. cue this morning's new iowa poll, ben carson has opened up an 8-point lead over donald trump. carson has a 20-point lead over caucus going, carson takes a third of the republican women vote. trump is still viewed as the strongest among key issues by all american iowa voters, 20

points on taxes, those marco rubio barely edges him on foreign policy, 18% to 17%. i am virtually clueless about what's going on with ben carson in the republican party so i turn to nicole wallace. you tell me. >> ben carson has been building an army of supporters and activists for years, much outside of the view of the mainstream media. but he's a regular figure on the fox news broadcasts in primetime and he's got a large number of support that's read his book. i think there was a movie made about him, about his past as a surgeon. he's someone that evangelicals and the huckabee/santorum wing of the party has always liked, right? >> oh, yeah, there's definitely a lot to that. he does appeal to the evangelicals more than drom would.

and then the other point is i'm surprised at how many people just really love him. when i'm traveling and i'm out of washington, you no, people say what about ben carson, i really like ben carson. for the older generation, he has this sort of marcus welby appeal. he's the good doctor, they trust him and they have confidence by virtue of his record. i think it's going to wear better over the long haul. >> kathleen, i like my primary care physician. i don't want him to be president of the united states. everybody says ben carson is so likable. i guess he is likable but listen to some of the things he's says. i'm going to ask you again, president ben carson, really? nicole sh. >> i don't see it because when you ask him about the debates that we're having -- i mean, he has beautiful things to say about black lives matter, he

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