good morning, i'm melissa harris pairy. we've got a lot to get to this morning. first, hurricane patricia hit land. the storm was still firmly within category 5 range when it made landfall last night, packing winds of up to 165 miles per hour. as the center of the storm now drags across mexico, patricia is rapidly weakening. it is now a tropical storm. the heavy rain still poses some danger to parts of mexico and even south texas. joining me now, msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider. what lies ahead today? >> we're watching the threat of flooding. it will still bring some rainfall through central mexico. and of course the risk for mudslides, landslides, because of all that water coming down. there's still another threat we need to talk about happening now. look at these red boxes. these indicate the flash flood warnings. we already had record rainfall

in many locations. it still continues to rain, heavy rain through austin. the next stop for all this rain is actually houston. when we zoom into the area where we've seen the heaviest rain like corsicana. there's houston getting some light to moderate rain. with the energy from patricia as well as moisture from the gulf, we still have a stalled front, it works together to bring this. 6.3 inches expected over the next three days. in houston, texas. but we're also looking at a threat for southwest louisiana as well and all the way around there. we're going to see a lot of rain in these areas where it's been dry for a while, melissa. that's why it's so dangerous to get all this rain at once really will make for some treasury flooding. >> we're going to check in with you a little later in the program. still to come, we'll have highlights of rachel maddow's interview with hillary clinton

and our guest will be hereby to explain why the supreme court may be take being crucial cases on abortion access. wednesday brought the highly anticipated news. >> as my family and i have worked through the breeding process, i've said all along what i've said time and again to others. that it may very well be that that process, by the time we get through it, closes the window on mounting a realistic campaign for president. that is might close. i've concluded it has closed. >> with that, vice president biden publicly announced he would not seek the democratic nomination for the presidency. for weeks, the question of whether the vp would run animated political observer media and even with many voters

counting the days until his announcement. despite the anticipation, we knew it was going to take a while. because the vice president and family have been hurting since the loss of their beloved son beau biden. an incomprehensible loss that could strip anyone of the emotional resources needed to carry on, let alone run for president. mr. biden warned us his emotional capacity in the wake of beau's death might keep him from running. >> i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be president and, two, they can look at folk, out there and say, promise you, you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy and my passion to do this. and i'd be lying if i said that i knew i was there. >> but wednesday, the vice

president told us he thankfully was there emotionally and that his family was there with him. he told us it was not a matter of grief, it was a matter of time. >> unfortunately, i believe we're out of time. the time necessary to mount a winning campaign for the nomination. >> so there will be no joe. and i for one am disappointed. okay, maybe not like lesley nope disappointed, but i did want the vice president to run. i wanted joe biden to really want to be president. let me say it a little differently. this is about more than mr. biden. i want the vice president in a successful two-term presidency to want to seek the oval office. i know mr. biden and his family have been grieving a tremendous loss. i know it's almost impossible to see how he would win. i wanted him to want it anyway. because it's the american presidency. and it is a nearly unfathomable

privilege to be anywhere within the stratosphere of being able to compete for that office. admit it, political nerds, you have at some point supported one of those candidates who threw her hat into the ring with little name recognition and even fewer dollars. or maybe you support the him even if he couldn't win because he had such a vision for what he could do as a school board member or city councilman or even a president. but you bought in to. i'm not suggesting for example lost causes are somehow more authentic than carefully strategized campaigns. there is something about the willingness to just do it, to run, that is necessary for feeding this american project in self-government. it is worth pointing out that sometimes very long-shot candidates do indeed win. in this year's republican race, currently shaping up to be one of the most expectation exploding elections in recent memory. i think senator sanders is surprised to find himself running as strongly as he has

thus far. we're hearing politicians like congressman paul ryan decide to pursue top level leadership only if victory is a foregone conclusion. on thursday, ryan did officially announce his bid for the speakership but only after all three major factions of house republicans endorsed him. i guess that's good for him. but i'm worried about our system when the certainty of victory is a precondition for getting in the race. so even if he didn't think he could win, i needed vice president to want it. because being the president is a really big deal. and here's the thing, i kind of think the vice president is predisposed to thinking the same way. because i want you to listen to him telling the american people that he's not running. >> i believe the huge sums of unlimited and often secret money pouring into our politics is a fundamental threat to our democracy. we need as the president's proposed to triple the child

care tax credit. that alone will lead to dramatic increase in the number of women able to be in the workforce. if i could be anything, i would have wanted to be the president that ended cancer. because it's possible. >> no, sir, i like you mr. vice president, but this is just money. you cannot tell me you are not running for president and then send out an agenda of curing cancer, restoring optimism that would have happened if you had been elected. that is like flirting with me at the party all night long, refusing to ask me out on a date and then telling me how cute our kids would have been. no, no. no one can forget and no one should underestimate the gravity of the loss that vice president has suffered. but watching the vice president run from a successful administration outline what would be his presidential agenda and decline to run. say what you want about the gop

choices, but at least a lot of republicans want to be president. over on the democratic side, it's easy to get the sense that many party leaders looked at that really cool house over on 1600 pennsylvania avenue and shrugged their shoulders. largely because they didn't think they had the funding to get through the doors. if the only people who respond to the call to run are those who can assuredly win the office what are we left with? members of wealthy families. maybe political dynasties exclusively dominating the race for the office. not the stuff of a thriving democratic system. former vermont governor howard dean also the former national committee chair. afonz o aguler. amy meredith cox, author of a really great book which we didn't put the title in there. it's fantastic.

and aaron, who is the senior fellow at media matters for america. sorry, amy, we're going to plug the book later. >> that's okay. >> mr. dean, i want to come to you. what are your thoughts? am i wrong on this? >> i think we're in better shape than you think as a democracy. i do agree with joe on citizens united. it's a total disaster. it's demoralizing to 80% of the american people who don't think anything they do counts. look, joe, joe's run twice. he coach anytidefinitely has th it. the problem is, he's at 20% of the polls. he hasn't started campaigning yet. so that's his ceiling. he at some point you don't do this because -- it's too much to put your family through. and hillary is an incredible candidate. >> i hear you. i do. particularly on the family part. when you don't see a clear pathway to victory. that said, you know this maybe better than anyone else. for democrats to win in the general, we got to have big turnout. what happened in '08, all that

anxiety about that hard-fought, very long primary, actually ended up being really good for democrats. i wonder, with mr. biden choosing not to get in, if democrats had now lost that. >> there's another issue. and it's one -- i mean, i had decided to support hillary a long time ago so it wasn't an issue for me. if i wanted to run now, i wouldn't, because bernie's got my slot essentially, the insurgent. he's doing great. so there's a lot of things that go into this. it's not -- having done it once, having found a candidate that i thought would be a better president than i, why would you do it? just for the sake of doing it? i thought that hillary would be the best president -- the only people who are running so far. >> i got you. if he'd opted out, the vice president opted out and said i'm out because i'm looking at hillary clinton and i say to myself, but that ain't what he did. he dug a little hole. he planted a little shade tree.

and i was, like, excuse me, sir, again. if your not running -- this is tough for me. >> his heart said to do it. but he listened to his head. >> i gave the republicans a lot of credit here by saying there is a robust group that are running on the republican side. but when you look at the leaders, they actually -- the current folks leading in the polls. they actually around offien't o holders. there's one part that makes me say, okay, democracy's good on the republican side because folks who aren't -- who aren't even currently in office are willing to jump in. it makes me concerned when mr. ryan is eschewing leadership a little bit and the folks on the republican side who may be best positioned aren't running. >> on the republican side, the message voters are sending right now is they're frustrated with washington. we have a republican congress. and they're not governing. they're not legislating. i think they sent them there to do something different. to advance certain principles.

they can't agree among themselves. in terms of paul ryan, look, he knows why john boehner went through. he doesn't want to go through that. he wants to make sure if they elect him speaker, they're at least going to respect him. not just going to go against him every time he proposes something. let me just say one thing about joe biden. as a republican, i would have loved to see joe biden in the race. i think he would have challenged hillary. he would have made those debates certainly much more interesting. i mean, the last debate was so boring, everybody was in agreement. and certainly would have been a great contrast. i think will be a great contrast with hillary. >> that was some shade you're planting over there too. let me -- i want to play one little thing. i just want to play our current president. president obama, way back in 2007, at the dinner in iowa, talking about why he was getting in the race. >> i am not in this race to fulfill some long-held ambitions

or because i believe it's somehow owed to me. i never expected to be here. i always knew this journey was improbable. i've never been on a journey that wasn't. i am running in this race because of what dr. king called the fierce urgency of now. >> we're going to talk about the idea of the fierce urgency of now and whether or not it still exists in the democratic party. and here's the other thing that happened on wednesday. even as he told us that he would not run the vice president did take a dig at the person running and that's next. on prescriptions. we found lower co-pays... ...and a free wellness visit. new plan...same doctor. i'm happy. it's medicare open enrollment. have you compared plans yet? it's easy at medicare.gov. or you can call

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i believe we have to end the divisive partisan politics. it's mean-spirited. it's petsy. it's gone on for much too long. i don't believe, like some do, it's naive to talk to republicans. i don't think we should look at republicans as our enemy. they are opposition. they're not our enemies. >> that was vice president biden on wednesday taking a not so veiled swipe at the democratic front-runner hillary clinton for the pride she ex-expressioned in the first democratic debate for making enemies of republicans. is that fair? if you're not getting in, do you get to plant the shade tree over the one most viable candidate left in the race? what do you think? >> is it fair? i think it's part of our democracy. that sort of conflict and debate and tension is what makes a good sort of democratic citizenry.

i don't think it's about not playing by the rules. i think in fact these are the rulings of the game. i am disappointed biden didn't run as well. part of that is in fact when you showed the clip of obama in 2007, i wish we had a clip of shirley chisolm. i'm thinking about the most improbable candidate possible. that spirit, that urgent spirit of wanting to throw your hat in because you have something to say, because you have a community to stand in front of. because you believe so deeply in the democracy. so i wanted to see biden run because i feel like there was a space that's missing. there's a space between hillary clinton, which some people feel is just more of the same, and bernie sanders, who many people feel is maybe too far to the left. i think biden could have created some of the excitement that i feel is missing that we saw with the first run of obama. i think we're missing that sense of urgency. of a new possibility.

of something perhaps being different than the way it's been done. >> even your point here that there's a thing missing. one of the things that's missing is, again, we had a two-term democratic president who is still quite popular. who sort of mentioned if he ran again, he'd probably win again. i think that may be true of president clinton. but talk to me then about what happened when there's nobody who is sort of running on that record in the race. >> we, i think if joe biden saw hillary clinton wasn't really running on president obama's record, he would have been i think even more urgent to run. she's been pretty clear. i mean, yes, there's a couple keystone things here and there. it's pretty hard to find a ton of daylight between hillary clinton and barack obama. she seems to be proud of her time in the administration. very proud of barack obama's accomplishments. so, again, i think joe biden, it's interesting because, you know, he didn't really -- he didn't really have a group he was going to represent. i think bernie felt that

urgency. he had to get in there. and i think part of the problem with joe biden was there wasn't a natural consistency. one other quick point was that, you know, i don't think the president really covered this with the whole what if game. >> we're trying to get a little enthusiasm here, it's an election! >> possible campaign got four times as much coverage as bernie's actual campaign. >> i hear you. but i think that also is indicative to me of what was the kind of missing piece here right? so you talk about bernie is in my spot, the insurgent spot. the fact is, there's something about the fact that the vice president. because i hear you. it's not a natural consistency. the people we elect to be president are vice presidents, governors and senators. he isn't nearly as much of a long shot as say for example --

>> the problem is that's on paper. the problem is you have a candidate with a resume that's probably the most extraordinary resume i can remember as a candidate for president of the united states, hillary clinton. as i talked about the other day, which i get some push back on, there are a lot of people who would walk through walls for hillary clinton. a lot of people would walk through walls for sanders. i haven't met many people who would walk through walls for biden. good by, they like him a lot. >> let me ask one more push on this. there's a little bit of a leadership anxiety i have. for me, i still have angst about the fact that plmrs. clinton didn't run in 2004. i felt like the democratic party needed her to step up. she chose to wait until 2008. i think there were real consequences for that. one of the things i have always appreciated about president obama even when i've disagreed with him is even when there's

the clinton '08 inevitability, he nonetheless made that choice to run. there is something about supporting the candidate who throws the -- who just does it, who goes for it. i feel like that's part of what the bernie sanders surge is. i want to ask, is that fair, or should we not be kind of making a leadership judgment based on the willingness to get in, in a tough spot? >> i don't know what to say about that. lots of people have gotten in in tough spots and hadn't gone anywhere. >> sure that's right. but you made a difference and then -- >> i did make a difference. >> and took leadership of the party when, heck, nobody wanted that job. >> right, right. >> i think this is your point about shirley, she wasn't going to win but she altered the system in ways that aloud barack obama to win all those years later. >> well, look, bill clinton wouldn't have been president, george bush sr. everybody thought mario cuomo -- >> to be fair to joe biden -- i can't believe i'm defending --

>> do it. >> i think we can't underestimate what he's saying about timing. i think governor dinos this well. running a presidential campaign is a great enterprise. at this time to raise the money, to -- >> yes, ing get it. >> the infrastructure in states like iowa, new hampshire, it's tough. >> i get it. it's undoubtedly not a personal dig at vice president biden who i both like and respect as a candidate. although i don't know him. what i will say is it's concerning to me. just from, again, the health of the party overall. but one more thing, the party is going to be running an actual election. there is a race. the race right now is mostly a two-person race between sanders and clinton. and guess what's going to get hot tonight? iowa. we'll go there to talk about what's in a name when we come back. plaque psoriasis...

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this morning, we're counting down to the iowa democratic party's annual dinner. the biggest fund-raising event of the year. during the election years, the dinner offers a chance to rally supporters and donors. increase enthusiasm and really step into that star power just ahead of the first caucus in the nation. in iowa, do you remember back in '07 when the dinner brought us this iconic turning point? and then senator barack obama's then underdog campaign. >> doesn't just offer change as a slogan. but real meaningful change. change that america can believe in. that's why i'm in this race. that's why i'm running. for the presidency of the united states of america.

to offer change that we can believe in. >> i just love the young president. the dinner is a really big deal. and since its inception almost a century ago, it's honored the party's founders, tom jefferson, who penned these words. we hold these truths to be self-evidence that all persons are created equal. and andrew jackson, the president often credited with popularizing populism. we also know that both jefferson and jackson held and traded human beings as property. jackson also signed the quote indian removal act and initiated the trail of tears. because those legacies are at odds with the party's values and the self-evidence truths written in the declaration of independence, the iowa democratic party voted in august to change the name of the jefferson jackson dinner after tonight's event. growing list of state parties to vote those names down. joining us, the chief political

correspondent at slate magazine. jamal, i don't know what to make over the cleansing of thomas jefferson and andrew jackson. what are your thoughts about that? >> i'm conflicted too. for jefferson, jefferson the slave owner, jefferson's relationship with sally hemmings, lots of controversy, lots of ugly things in jackson's history. at the same time, probably the most eloquent defender of the young american republic. was a democratic theorist along with james madison who still influences people today. i think that's a legacy worth holding on to. andrew jackson is a little different, right? no one -- andrew jackson wrecking the american economy by imposing a national bank. i think it's fair to want to excise jackson from recognition in the modern and democratic party. i think there are more appropriate figures to try to link together the party's past

and its present. jackson is a tough case. because he does have those ugly parts of his history. he's also a vital person in our history. >> yes, the declaration of independence is sort of a big deal. i'm just not down for removing that out of our story. let me back up here. how important is this dinner, in this kind of race? i mean, at this point, with vice president biden bowing out, we have a situation where it looks like hillary clinton has a pretty clear pathway to the nomination. is this still critical? >> yes, it is. you showed the speech obama gave. at this point eight years ago, he was exactly where bernie sanders was really. down 20 or 30 points in the national polls. he turned it around if you start looking at the polls. the question is, is bernie sanders going to be able to do what barack obama did or is bernie sanders going to be more of a bill bradley situation? >> let's be really clear about how barack obama won in iowa. the speech was great. he won by having a better

organization than any body's ever had before or since. we had that recommend turnout in iowa. in obama's year, they doubled it. all the people i know in iowa who go to the caucus say we got there and three quarters of the people we've never seen before. that's what convinced me obama could win and be president. if you can organize like that, i thought, wow, this guy could do it. >> so this is not a small point that, you know, we in the media tend to focus on the speeches or the moments. but it's actually that ground game. and this is actually a lesson that the gop learned -- >> i want to hear because -- >> yeah, gop has been doing on the ground, organizing in a powerful way. >> trump may be able to be on top of the polls but can they get that ground game going? >> well, part of it was ironically citizens united. it has activated grassroots activists like never before. we're seeing in the republican side people, regular people, participating actively.

i've seen it in iowa like never before. regular people participating. that were not part of the republican establishment. participating of the process and supporting candidates who are clearly -- don't have a record in politics. they're supporting people like trump, supporting people like carson. that's how they -- candidates like that can actually win a republican caucus in iowa. so i think citizens united has actually activated organizations that recruit the base and make regular citizens active participants of our democracy. >> jamal, i want to -- i want to come back to you on this. is that generally your impression of the impact of citizens united? >> i actually have not heard that take. because it doesn't appear to me super pac money is really going towards that kind of organization. it's one thing to have people

excited about a candidate. something very different to have people come out to a caucus, right, to come out and actually participate for a long time in the process of voting. and in deciding. so it's unclear to me whether the kind of money by citizens united and superpacs would actually go to that purpose. so who knows. >> it's pretty quiet there behind you. do you have a sense it's going to be a big night? >> yes, so behind me, there's a setup for the hillary clinton and katy perry event. but just a couple blocks down, there's a gaggle of hillary clinton supporters cheering every car that comes by. you can't hear them but i can hear them pretty clearly at this point. >> i like the idea maybe what we'll do is have it called the jefferson and whoever the headliner is. the jefferson/katy perry dinner for this year. >> i like roosevelt really. like jefferson roosevelt. >> i'm down for that, yeah.

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it's been called hillary clinton's best week ever. wednesday was big when vice president biden declared he would not run. but thursday was even bigger. as the former secretary of state sat in the hot seat for an 11-hour spectacle. with the house committee investigating the 2012 attacks in benghazi libya. killed four americans. >> did you ever talk to ambassador stevens when all of this was going on in the hotbed of libya? >> well -- >> that is a yes or no question, madam secretary, i'm sorry. did you ever personally speak to ambassador stevens -- we don't know the answer. did you ever personally speak to

him after you swore him in, in may? yes or no please. >> yes, i believe i did. >> it was the show the gop had been waiting for. th likely democratic presidential nominee getting grilled on the security failure that occurred during her watch. after 11 hours, what exactly did we learn? the committee chairman, republican trey gowdy of south carolina, has that answer. >> one of the important new things you learned today? >> i think some of jimmy jordan's questioning. when you say knew today, we knew some of that already. in terms of her testimony, i don't know she testified that much differently today than she has previous times she testified so i'd have to go back and look at the transcript. >> after 11 hours, the preparation, the committee chair's response was i don't know. last night, in her first

interview since thursday, secretary clinton reacted to chairman gowdy's comment on msnbc's the rachel maddow show. >> does that make you glad you did it or does that make you feel like it was a waste of time? >> i said i would do it. and i did it because if there is anything new, which is unlikely after the eight prior investigations that have been held, we should know about it because the point is what are we going to do to honor the people we lost and try to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> our guest, the senior spokesperson for hillary clinton 2016. your candidate had a big week. >> we did have a big week. it was a good week. thursday i think was so important for a number of reasons. i think people saw a president sitting at that table. who else could sit there for 11 hours. i mean, just her command of the information. she was calm, cool, collected throughout all of it. took all the questions.

we're talking about events that happened quite a while ago. very meticulous detail. talking about, you know, the security measures. talking about what happened. talking about sort of the relationships between this country and what was going on at the time in libya. so i think the republicans were disappointed because the truth is they didn't ask much that was new. i think it was quite obviously -- you've got gowdy on the campaign trail with jeb bush. if that doesn't tell you what was political, don't know what else will. >> we talked about the idea that americans are feeling distressed about government in general and the republican base is feeling distressed about what the republican party may be doing in congress. i feel like what happened on thursday ups the ante on both of those. >> i agree. i think the clinton campaign's probably going to hire now trey gowdy because that was a gift to hillary. look, it was a colossal waste of

time. >> and not just time, taxpayer money. >> oh, absolutely. they want republicans to focus on the issues of the day, the concerns of regular americans. i think in terms of benghazi, the damage is done. people i think realize that the administration, that secretary clinton was not truthful. to do another hearing, to repeat the same questions, and trey gowdy says, we have no new information. i mean, the damage is done. why do it. so in politics, you can't get too greedy. >> it may be your opinion you don't believe what they said, but as hillary said, you may not like the answer, but that -- >> doesn't matter -- >> political strategy -- let me just suggest, not adjudicating her truthfulness, right, i think there may be a point to be made that whatever damage there was, whatever drip, drip, drip has been caused suddenly got reversed on thursday. >> look, she testified 33 months ago. she answered a lot of these

questions 33 months ago. media matters has a list of not only all the questions she was asked, all of them have been answered. we have been debunking this for three years. >> i actually wonder if you guys are sad that it seems to be over now -- >> look if they're going to keep throwing misinformation at us, we'll just keep fact-checking it. hillary at the debate, hillary at the hearing, where was the phony calculating inauthentic hillary clinton the press has been depicting? she has been under a barrage of e endlessly negative coverage -- >> i consistently see in hillary clinton over the years she -- so candidates are good and bad at different things. she's particularly good when attacked, right. so it is sort of her sweet spot about when she suddenly really -- like it's kind of focusing for her. >> i think this is not a small

point. if we think about what happened here. if we think about it as a witch-hunt. it's theater, public theater. this was completely incompetent. i think it damaged the republican party. >> i just want to add something. i think part of it is what you also saw on thursday was someone who this is who she is. she takes the job very seriously. she knows the facts. she knew the information. that's all her leadership style and part of who she is as a human being. by the way what we did not see on thursday was anything that told us anything about how we make sure we don't lose more americans. instead, you've got republicans in congress, by the way, fighting over whether or not to fund a training center that could actually help prevent what happened. i want to listen to secretary clinton talking about exactly that point.

>> it is deeply unfortunate that something as serious as what happened in benghazi could ever be used for partisan political purposes. and i'm hoping that we can move forward together. we can start working together. >> i mean, on the pure politics, she took it and she flipped it. >> days before she had said that republicans were her big -- she wants to -- >> i'm sorry, what did you see there on thursday? were they friendly? >> absolutely. i told you, it was a terrible -- it was terrible theater. but a week doesn't make a campaign. >> i don't disagree -- >> there are many statements where she contradicts herself. where she said, what does it matter? look at her credibility --

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than feeling like it was a deep seriousness, instead what it ended up feeling like was theatrical. one of best moments of theater came from representative cummings. i want to play a little bit. >> i don't know what we want from you. do we want to badger you over and over again until you get tired, until we do get the gotcha moment he's talking about? we're better than that. we're so much better. we're a better country. and we're better than using taxpayer dollars. to try to destroy a campaign. that's not what america is all about. >> are we better than that? >> we should be. i mean, you know, i think that was hour nine or something. i don't think representative cummings has ever been on a committee that spent $5 million to hold four hearings. this is all -- they just threw everything out the window because they thought they had

hillary in their sights. they thought this was going to be their theater. this was going to be their propaganda. this was the fox news hearing that was going to, you know, damage hillary clinton. after the debate a week before, i'm sure trey gowdy was thinking, how do we cancel this. >> let me back p a little bit on where damage may still have been done. i heard cummings say we're better than that. as i watched those 11 hours, i kept thinking about sonia sotomayor, you know, being grilled in this way that was often rude, even around her name, her ethnicity, while sitting there with a cast on her foot. i was remembering joe biden's less than spectacular moment with anita hill during the clarence thomas senate confirmation hearings. i thought, actually, we might not be better than this. especially for young women thinking about some day running. are they watching this spectacle and thinking this is going to be the price i will have to pay if i ever want to go to the --

>> i hope if they do, if they were watching that and they watch hillary clinton what they came away with is, if it happens, i can handle it. as women, we can do it. i saw this woman get up there and do it and answer the questions. part of the reason we didn't see or hear new information and part of the reason you got some of those faces is because the whole investigation has been a sham. if they'd really been doing their work and come up with new lines of questioning instead of did you call this person or did you call that person or how come sid blumenthal e-mails you -- >> i think it is fair to ask the questions about the ambassador -- >> but they've been asked seven -- >> but to say that the entire investigation is a sham, i mean, that's ridiculous -- >> what did you get for your $5 million? >> no, no, no, let me talk. you talked. look, i agree that this hearing was unnecessary. having said that, was the investigation necessary? i think so. the american public need to

know. are there going to be criminal charges? i don't think so. let the american public judge for themselves. i believe the administration, secretary clinton, were not truthful. they told us at the very beginning this was the product of a video produced here in the united states and it turns out it wasn't that -- >> all right, so -- >> the american people -- we have four people, four americans dead. i think we need to have this it's discussion -- [ all speaking ] >> we're going to get out the light sabres. we're going to let these two -- >> hold on, i know -- you got to let me respond to that, i mean -- >> i can't though because of the commercial thing. hold on, just don't go away. coming up, congressman paul ryan is ready to be the next speaker but he has a list of demands. i take prilosec otc each morning

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we're going to turn to one of the biggest political stories of the week and one that won't be fully resolved until next week. the house of representatives needs a new speaker. someone to take on that powerful office third in line for the presidency. the charge of everything that happens on the house floor. most republicans want their new speaker to be congressman paul ryan. they believe only he can unite the warring factions. only he can guide them out of ca chaos and into glory. sorry, that's hunger games, sorry. you may remember paul ryan as mitt romney's running mate in 2012. his fellow republicans want him to run for the speaker's gavel. who wouldn't want that? well, paul ryan. he says now he is, quote, ready and eager to be speaker. he didn't seem to want the job in the first place.

help said it over and over again. he said it over and over again. it was finally this week he relented and then only if his demands were met. he wanted support from all the caucuses that helped boot john boehner and demanded one more thing. >> i cannot and will not give up my family time. i considered to do this with reluctance. i mean that in the most personal of ways. like many of you, jenna and i have children who are in the formative foundational year, of their lives. i generally worry about the consequences that my agreeing to serve will have on them. >> yes, congressman ryan will only deign to become one of the most powerful men in the country, yes, his fellow republicans guarantee him weekends off to spend with his family who live in wisconsin. congress is only in session 137 days a year. about 100 days less than your average full-time worker.

speaker boehner, for one, spent most of his off time on the road. in the first half of this year, he hosted more than 100 events for lawmakers and candidates according to politico and raised $28 million. paul ryan does not want to do that. some think that is to be applauded including facebook coo sheryl sandburg who declared ryan had won the lean-in award of the day. saying we need work to work for parents and having leaders who weigh responsibilities as fathers as much as their responsibilities to their jobs shows all of us what is possible, #leanin. also, cheering the counselman was ann marie slaughter who famously wrote the atlantic cover story why women still can't have it all. >> this will help women as well as men. because this will say that you can be committed to your family and still be committed to your career. and that's a very important statement. >> if only there was some other way that a congressman and the

chair of the powerful ways and means committee could help women as well as men. maybe like voting for policies that help women and families. like the federal employees paid parental leave act. congressman ryan did vote on that bill. he voted no. maybe he could help women by using the committee he runs to advance policy reforms. like create a national paid leave insurance program within social security. that bill is collecting dust in the ways and means committee which ryan chairs. paul ryan certainly talks a lot about helping people, especially poor people. >> we want a healthy economy. and a big part of that is having a safety net that is strong. both for those who cannot help themselves and for those who need a helping hand to get up and going in life. i want to talk about how we can repair the safety net and help

families get ahead. >> it's a nice conversation but congressman has literally done the opposite. plans that would cut hundreds billions of dollars from programs like food stamps and pell grants and medicaid. ryan also wants to reform welfare again by increasing and expanding work requirements. even though work requirements by definition for struggling parents, especially single parents, to spend less time with their kids. you know what's good for the goose? well, it's just good for the goose. joining me now, the director of the women's economic policy center -- at the center for american programesprogress. amy meredith cox, fordham university. and eric valette who is the seeni senior fellow at american matters media.

>> one thing that always irritates me is we seem to be shocked any time a man says he wants to spend time with his family. i think that's insulting to all of the men who would love to have more time to spend with their kids. >> i hear you. >> we know 75% of men say they want to spend more time with their children but their jobs prevent them from doing so. we know that more than 90% of men say if they were considering a new job, they would think about how it would impact their time with their kids. so this isn't actually a new conversation or a new issue, it's just being given new voice because someone who's in an incredible position of power and privilege is talking about it. so in that sense, i'm glad. i'm glad we're on the show talking about it. this is a conversation we need to keep happening. but it is really problematic to keep talking about this in very individual ways. this is something we need to deal with at the national level through public policy, knew through individual negotiations. >> you're shaking your head, i presume not because you don't think fathers love their kids. >> no, kids here today -- >> exactly. >> let me tell you something, i

think it was such an awesome statement to make. we have to make it more. i think president obama has made the importance of parenthood. government is not going to make us good parents, mothers or fathers. it's individuals. we have to take responsibility. i don't think he was asking, to be fair, any special treatment. he was just talking about the exaggerated expectations that sometimes the republican party puts on speakers. >> so let me just say, i hear you, government can't make an individual a good parent. government can, through a set of policies, make -- facilitate the capacity to parent. let me give you one example. weekends brought to you by the american labor movement which provides you with two days a week when your children are not at school and you are not at work. the demands that ryan was making are the kinds of demands that male and female workers have been able to make through the labor music. >> i agree. at some point, we have to understand that government can't

continue spending. imposing new requirements on business does have an impact on business that affects individuals. the best social program a person can have -- >> cannot have it all, all the same way, all at the same time. so either we believe that especially for young children that parenting is critical and therefore it is worth investing in as a country. so things sometimes cost a little money. like our military. we actually think it is highly valuable for parents, fathers, mothers, to be able to be present and to do that. we also have some optionings that cost zero dollars. such as doing what he has done. right to reflect flexibility. there is legislation. the schedules that work act. that would enable people to make reasonable requests to their

employees. can i have a permanent schedule that's not shifting every week. or can i change my work hours slightly so i can care for my children or care for my aging parents. zero dollar price tag on this. that would be doing exactly what ryan has done. providing that right for every worker. yet he and his party have not stood up for this idea. >> folks don't always recognize if you're not an hourly worker, you may not know if you have a retail job or restaurant job, sometimes you don't even know until that day whether or not you're working. how can you begin to provide child care. before we go to break, an update on patricia. as it pushes across mexico. it was one of the strongest hurricanes to make landfall in the western hemisphere. the effects of heavy rain already soaking south texas. this video is where a freight train ran into high water and overturned. two train workers have been rescued. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed.

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the left is making a big mistake here. what they're offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul. the american people want more than that. people don't just want a life of comfort. they want a life of dignity. they want a life of self-determination. >> and that was the likely next speaker of the house, congressman paul ryan, last year, in a nutshell, outlying his ideology. >> i think what is so fascinating to me is the way that ryan steps to the mic as a martyr. like i'll reluctantly come to this position if i can have these concessions. the privilege of being able to make those demands. to be able to claim your family, the family/work life balance in ways that totally obscure what's happening to the majority of americans. even when we think of paul ryan's -- bringing his family to

the table, and i will take this position if this can happen. some people might say, this is really great, right? this shows we can finally this have this conversation in ways that's impacting women. but i would say that's not actually true. what women are we talking about and who are we talking about when we talk about the privilege to demand you can have balance in your life when there are so many of us who are struggling just to hold on to what we have. foerp get about finding the balance or being able to juggle. and that individual, sort of that individual mentality, is -- majority of the basis for the republican party. pull yourself up by your individual boot straps. without understanding the very real constraints that prevent the large majority of americans from being able to be self-determined. >> right, right, i'm not mad at wanting to spend time with your children in the formative years. that's great. but then i want to say then for all. >> right. it's interesting, as you

mentioned, speaker of the house has about 100 days off -- more 100 days than the average worker. john boehner used to brag he golfled 100 rounds a year. this is a very unique position. i don't get the sense. it would also be kind of fascinating what the media conversation would be if this is nancy pelosi. if i win, we have new rules. impressive about that. >> there is for me a bit of a tandem on this point, which is a little separate than the family work leaves point. i also get your kids and -- they come first. there's also extraordinary privilege in this opportunity. that gives me a little -- sarah palin for all of my disagreements, when her country called, despite the fact she had a 4-month-old, she was fine. like, okay, maybe not the best time to be vice president but

i'm going to try. sometimes it is a big enough opportunity for leadership that you go ahead and step in. >> nobody wants it -- >> but mr. ryan is a catfish noodler. which is basically the same thing. you go catch the catfish with your hands. i think that's the same thing as trying to wrangle the current republican party into line. >> let's be fair. if there's somebody who is a hard worker. he knows very well i work on immigration issue. paul ryan is somebody who has reported immigration reform. has to work with somebody like luis gutierrez. very respectful. speaks highly of paul ryan. this is somebody who's trying to govern. >> i feel you. i just want to pause on one thing. because i don't disagree with you that i actually think mr. ryan is a great choice for this role. i want us to be supercareful when we use the language "hard worker." because i actually keep an image

of folks working in cotton fields on my office wall. because it is a reminder about what hard work looks like. i feel you that he's a hard worker. i do. in the context of relative privilege, and i just want to point out, when you talk about work life balance and being a hard worker, the moms who don't have health care who are working -- >> i understand that -- >> but we don't call them hard workers. call them failures, people who are sucking off the system -- >> no, no, no -- >> that's true. >> that is very unfair. i think we cannot generalize -- >> not all republicans, that is certainly true. >> -- did a terrible job about -- >> i don't even think -- >> -- connecting with the middle class. if paul ryan -- he understands we need a growing economy to create good paying jobs -- >> i'm also not talking about the middle class -- [ all speaking ] >> in the last eight years, the median household -- has gone

down $10,000 a year -- >> yes, absolutely -- >> -- under obama's economy, you can't blame bush now so no, lets an be fash, at some point, you have to own the economy. you cannot resolve the problems of the middle class with government benefits. you do it with a growing economy and good paying jobs. >> just don't think there's any sort of economic measure, alfonso, that would not demonstrate a growing economy under president obama. i agree with you it has not been felt all the way down. there's also no question it has been growing. thank you to sara, jane, eric, also alfonso and amy meredith who are sticking around. up next an update on the tropical storm patricia. the case that can lead the security to rule on abortion for the first time in nearly a decade. when a wildfire raged through elkhorn ranch, the sudden loss of pasture became a serious problem for a family business. faced with horses that needed feeding and a texas drought that sent hay prices soaring,

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cop founding the effects of heavy rain soaking texas. a freight train ran into high water and overturned. two train workers were rescued. msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider has been tracking the storm. bonnie, how much rainfall should texans be expecting this afternoon? >> we're going to be seeing a lot of rain. not just for this afternoon but for the next few days. so even into sunday. the latest information with tropical depression now patricia. it's been weakening very rapidly. hard to believe less than 24 hours ago, we're talking about a category 5 hurricane. here's what's left of it. the remnants working their way into texas. that's what we're anticipating. that will only enhance what's going on now. it's a dangerous situation, especially right here. that's east of austin. this is the county sounds familiar because we've had the wildfires burninging there. with all that scarred area, the rains coming down. so naturally flooding a huge concern for this part of texas.

we head to houston. this is where we're watching large amounts of rain accumulating. you can see it from the southwest. really, the moisture from the gulf of mexico and only enhanced by patricia. it's a recipe for a lot of rain. you have to realize looking back that texas overall, over the past six months, has been pretty dry. when you're getting all this rain in at once, it's going to make for a lot of flooding. 6 inches expected into houston in addition to what we're already seeing. and then look at arthur, on the border with louisiana. we're talking about rain into lake charles. beaumont, all these places looking at a lot of rain? we're certainly looking at substantial rain into texas well into louisiana as well. so this is the forecast over the next few days. we're watching it. we have all that moisture coming in from patricia. the rain has already falling. that's why it's looking like a tough situation for texas. >> i want to go back to that train derailment in navarro county. we have new details.

the 64 car union pacific train was carrying cement when several cars were knocked off the track by the water. no passengers were on board the train. an emergency management team was able to rescue the conductor and engineer without any injuries. joining me now by phone is the spokesperson for union pacific. jeff, are you there? what can you tell us about the rescue this morning? >> well, we're very glad to report that our two crew members were rescued without injury by the navarro county water rescue team. they were able to evacuate and swim to some higher ground where they were able to wait for the rescue team. they are safe and secure. >> what are going to be the next steps for securing the actual train?

>> we have the back end of the train. that are still on the track. that will pull those cars out and move them northward to clear the area. the rest of the cars and the locomotives are over on their sides. we have to wait until the floodwaters start to recede. so a little mother nature to give us a window here. >> i'm just so happy that the crew is okay. and they were able to be evacuated without injury it i'd also like to bring in correspondent charles hadlock in texas. what's the situation where you are now? >> i'm along the banks of the

train did trinity river. normally the river is at 30 feet just beyond those trees. today it's at 35 feet. it's expected to climb another two feet. even though this is a dramatic shot, this is what it's supposed to do. this is a flood way. it's supposed to flood here. the rain we're getting is very be welcome. we've been in a drought. the last significant rainfall was back on july 4. so this rain is welcome. we just don't need so much of it. other parts of texas are sketching too much. down around where the train derailment was. and as that hurricane continues to break apart over mexico, the remnants will move across the mountains, across the coastal plains of texas. that's what has so many people concerned. we're already having bad weather here because of another storm system. you bring in the remnants of

patricia. it would be even more rain, especially along the gulf coast. that's why the city of houston is on high alert, watching out for what's coming from the southwest. >> thank you to nbc's charles hadlock in dallas. up next, you know we're going to talk about the supreme court. how that court could soon make access to abortion much harder. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.

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means that texas 39 planned parenthood providers will lose money to cover health care services for women. texas democrats has tested the legality of the decision, calling for a federal investigation into the state's reasoning for cutting the funds. planned parenthood was also under fire in louisiana where a similar attempt by governor jindal to cut funding was blocked temporarily by a federal judge. even as the dispute over planned parenthood continues, the supreme court is poised to take up a larger fight with national implication for access to abortion. in the coming weeks, the court will decide if it will hear a case brought by it ttexas abort providers. the providers are asking the supreme court to overturn an appeals court ruling that upheld the law and if allowed to stand could leave the entire state of texas with only ten remaining abortion clinics out of the 40

in operation before the law passed. should the state allow the case to move forward, the decision will be its first major ruling on abortion since 2007. joining the table now are president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights and professor of constitutional law at nyu. what can you tell us about what to expect in terms of the supreme court decision? >> the standard is always a place to start, right? the standard they're going to apply is from the 1992 planned parenthood case. the question is whether or not these restrictions place an undue burden on a woman's right to choose. undue burden is defined as having a purpose or an effect that places a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking a abortion. the so-called trap provisions. there's this notion that -- which is targeted. one set says you have to have admitting privileges to a

hospital that's more than 30 miles from the abortion clinic. the other provision says your abortion clinic has to be up to code with regard to -- comparable to ambulatory surgical center. essentially like a hospital grade kind of environment. both of these are incredibly hon onerous. before this law, was 31. now it could be down to 10. >> this question of access feels like the next frontier or the existing frontier around reproductive justice. that roe stands, right. this isn't going to overturn whether there is an essential right to privacy and to seek an abortion but it could make it impossible to access it. >> this case is very much about the viability of that right to abortion. as he was saying, the stakes here are about the reality of women's constitutional rights to

access abortion. what the texas politicians have done is try to sneak around those rulings. on false pretenses of health and safety. to pass laws they knew would have the effect they have so far. half the clinics have closed. we're down to to clinics in the state of texas. they're trying to make an end-run around the constitution. they're trying to disrespect the rulings that are there. it is really critical the court do. they have not seen any kind of case like this in all the years since roe versus wade. there's never been a law like taxes that has had the effect of actual blocking access to services in the state. and so that's why it's critically important for the women in texas but not just there, for the women in other states, the united states, to make sure that their ability to get care in their communities continues. as we're thinking about how the court is going to make the decision.

they haven't seen anything this enormous since roe. how much will medical expertise testimony in the form of amicus brief and others matter here. the main pushback tends to be, look, these rules sound like, oh, they're about protecting health and safety when in fact they're not. so how much will the court need to hear from medical professionals? >> the ama and the leading organizations have been really clear, this is nothing to do with the health of women. in fact, it would impinge on the capacity of women to get through safe and healthy abortions. this is completely what's being put forward. the number of regularly performed abortions, most commonly performed type of abortions in texas leading to medical complications is .05 percent nationally. so this kind of health rational,

though it sounds very good, if you just sort of scratch a little bit under the surface, you see it's a complete pretext. >> i'm also wondering, the court is meant to be insulated from politics. i wonder how much the conversation about those planned parenthood videos will, in fact, enter in to the conversation that the justices themselves have. >> well, i think what links the planned parenthood deceptive underhand videos in this case is the extreme ways in which those who want to block access to safe and legal abortion will take any means even underhanded means. so that's what links the two. and the underhanded nature, to build on what ken was saying, if you close down, all but ten clinics in texas, the drive from el paso, texas, to san antonio, 15 hours round trip. so the notion that you are helping women's health care when

you take it out of their communities is patently absurd. >> this is the question of undue burden. will the catholicism of the court impact this decision? there are a disproportionate number of catholics. >> right, two of the five who put the freeze on this opinion, until we decide whether or not we're going to review it or not. and so, you know, i think it's a little bit up in the air with regard to that. i think it is again going to come down to justice kennedy and how he feels about undue burden. from my perspective, it's like justice kennedy would have a lot of explaining to do after writing the opinion where he set out the undue burden.

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but investigations into the practices like the 2006 government report have found they are at best ambiguous about their explicit anti-abortion agenda and at worst deceive women with misleading information to deter them from accessing an abortion until the pregnancies have advanced too far for determination. the centers, most of which have christian affiliations, receive millions of dollars in state and federal funds. and they are often located in close proximity to reproductive health centers which can make it easy for a women seeking an abortion to accidentally end up at a presidentignancy crisis ce instead. in jackson mississippi, it's only minutes away from the last remaining abortion clinic in the state. here's what the director of the center told msnbc. >> there are those that come and they may not call or whatever.

and they would think they're going to get an abortion here. i'm try to think over the years. we have had those, you know. sometimes people hear what they want to hear. i'm really a firm believer that abortion goes against the basic nature of a woman. a mother, a woman is made to guard and protect her baby. and to defend it at the cost of her own life. an abortion asks us to take the life of the baby for the sake of the mother. i just feel like it's so anti-woman. and so anti-our nature. >> we're going to take a quick commercial break. when we come back, i'm going to let my panel respond. or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. of course, how you plan is up to you.

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talking about crisis pregnancy centers. >> when we hear the words care, protection safety as it relates to the abortion debate, we have to be really careful about who's care, protection and safety we're talking about. increasingly, it's clear we're not talking about low income women. if we are talking about anti-abortion, right, so the desire to not encourage young women to get abortions, that's one thing. but when you are deceiving young women, when you're giving them misinformation, when you're not giving them the scientific facts that can keep them safe and protect them physically, that is unconscionable. >> just talking about a political debate here, we're talking about allowing people to have information to take care of themes. >> it really is misleading. i don't want to -- it really is misleading information, which is to say medically inaccurate information given about sort of the effects of abortion which simply -- there simply is no

research -- >> which is different from not agreeing with abortion, that's very different. this level of deception is dangerous. >> so this point i think is an important one. i do think abortion is a relevant important social moshl political topic that deserves conversation in the public sn r sphere. but for primary health care that occurs at planned parenthoods. at the same type, using the abstinence only education federal dollars to help support the crisis pregnancy clinics the kind of unfairness these clinics actually get tax dollars. >> i think abortion clinics still outnumber by a wide margin -- >> they do not, no, they certainly do not. there's only one in all of mississippi. whereas there are many crisis pregnant centers --

>> you're arguing really that all the crisis pregnancy centers are deceiving, look -- >> yes, because i think people think crisis pregnant center means a place i can go and get an abortion -- >> look, to say that abortion is the law of the land, i can admit that, that's the legal perspective. to say that abortion is objectively science based, i reject that totally. that's an opinion. and -- >> well, it's a medical procedure -- >> well, it's a medical procedure like euthanasia could be a medical procedure as well, yes. you kill a baby, it's dead. you kill a older -- an elderly person, it's dead. but we have to talk about the ethics and the morality about it. it's the law of the law. we live in a society where we have to respect freedom of religion. we have churches. we have people of faith that run clinics. that provides all sorts of services. we have to protect their right -- >> sure -- >> people against their -- >> sure, sure, sure. that is very different than giving tax --

>> we're talking only -- >> that is very different than giving tax dollars to support one side while snatching it from the other -- >> we are giving tax dollars to planned parenthood. they're deceiving. how they go deceiving. the hispanic community go to the places to have an abortion and then they are forced to have an abortion. >> no, no, nobody is forced to have an abortion. >> come on. >> and now, the protections of the state, california just did it to step in, because the crisis pregnancy centers are are so misleading and require them to be clear to women about the fact that they don't provide reproductive health services, and you know, women are at the center of this, and they need to be able to make their decisions for themselves. and we have to respect women in making those decisions, and that is not what the practice is at the crisis pregnancy centers do. >> it is a beautiful argument, but in tend it is a strategy of intolerance. and let me finish, ifcan

finish, and i'm the only token differing opinion on the show today. and what i am trying to say here, i believe in the democracy, but i am opposed imposing the religious dogma and i'm opposed imposing the secular dogma and to tell the center that they are providing abortions -- >> well, if you receive federal dollars and the fact that you give medically inaccurate -- and let me say in the state of north carolina, and for example n the state of north carolina, in our sex ed for students, you have are to give medically inaccurate information and i will give you the example of what it is. people who teach it are told that they have tole the the students that having an abortion will affect your ability for later fertility which is not true, and yet, you have to do this and so we do have the government stepping in and only on one side. i want to say thank you to nancy northrup and the rest of the

panel, and i want to switch to a slightly different subject of what chicago is facing, hunger striking parents about the southeast school to open, and former scandals involving the public chief who took many of the no-bid contracts to an employer for serious kickbacks to itself while the district, itself, faces fiscal problems. and in the wake of the shooting in oregon the president in pre united states accepted the education director arne duncan's resignation. and while there is violence and disrupti disruption, there our foot soldiers are are working to make

it less disruptive. the kids at the chicago high school know her as the peace king, and that is because she runs one of the amosha's six peace room, and safe place where the students and the faculty can come together to work out the environment in friendly environment. she is seeing results since it started at sullivan, suspension rates have dropped exponentially and the school's environment is a much more friendly place. she joins me now from chicago. nice to have you. >> hi. thank you so much for having me. >> and tell me more about the peace rooms, and how exactly do they work? >> well, the peace room, it is a safe place at sullivan where where students and staff come to solve interpersonal conflicts they are dealing with one another. and we do a lot of the relationship building and community building in the peaceroom, too. >> and so this idea of restorative justice and restorative justice for young people is gaining traction in the public sphere and talk to me why it is important.

>> yes, so restorative jus the tis is important, because it gives the students the opportunity to come together and talk about conflict and harm when it happens. oftentimes in the schools when students do something wrong, there is a suspension that happens or a punitive discipline, and so restorative justice in the peaceroom gives the students the space to resolve the issues to stay in school and stay in class >> sometimes we have talked about the strategy whether it is curricular or co-curricular as the peacerooms are, and we talked about the rereality of the kids not having enough food to eat before school or after school hours and the challenges they are face ing ing in the communities and the neighborhoods before and after school hours, and how does the peace rooms address those issues? >> well, it is a space where people can open up and talk about what they are dealing with in the moment or the night before, because often the conflict that takes place is not actually something that is between the two people, but maybe they were hungry the night before and maybe they had a bad

conversation with their mother before they left their house. so the peace room will give students the chance to open up and talk about those issues so we can get at the underlying conflict and provide the supp t supports that we need for the students. >> and what are the teachers and the the administrators say about the process? >> so the teachers and administra administrators at sullivan are very pro-restorative justice. we have the principal at sullivan who lives and breathes this work. he believes that students should learn math, english and also leave school learning the skills they need to resolve conflicts and i will not lie, it take as while for the teachers to get upon board, but at sullivan they have, because they see that it works. >> and brielle, i have a question for you and i don't know if a peace room might help me and my guest alphonso aguilar to make peace about the big political differences that we have? >> yes. we could, and we have to do some norm set manage the beginning and talk about a respective to

each other, and talk some peace, but i would love to help with that >> and i will get alphonso into the peace room lateer and find some restorative justice. [ laughter ] >> i want to say thank to brielle siskin in chicago and thank you for being our foot so soldier this week. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for watching at home, and we will be back tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. ea eastern, and i expect to see you here and tomorrow we will talk about the dnc's invitation to host a social racial justice forum at the town hall and i are will talk to people from black lives matter and also representatives of campaign z e zero. but first, it is a time for the preview of alex witt. >> i have found the 1250ud owe to be a little bit of the peace room, haven't you? >> not so much. >> all right. >> we will be tuning in tomorrow, and keep the peace for sure. okay. everyone, hurricane patricia is coming to shore and a tropical force but weakens to a tropical

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