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from rockefeller center in new york city, this is "politics nation" with al sharpton. >> good morning. we could be at the turning point for both parties in the race for 2016. ben carson is surging past donald trump in iowa. it's a big warning sign for the trump campaign, and hillary clinton had one of her best weeks after a tough summer. she saw the decision from joe biden not to run. then she went into the benghazi hearing and came out stronger, at least politically. republicans didn't get the smoking gun moment they had hoped for and clinton took everything they threw at her. the big question, what happens

now? joining me now is congressman jim clyburn, the third highest ranking democrat in the house of representatives. thank you, congressman, for joining us. >> well, thank you so much for having me. >> you've been critical from the beginning of the benghazi hearings. now that it has happened this week with former secretary clinton, what's your opinion of what happened? >> well, thank you so much for having me once again. you know, i think the american people got a chance to see that what many of us were saying back in the beginning, that it's true, that this was a witch hunt. this was a way for the american people to finance a political process, because there's something to be found here, and now the american people have gotten a chance to see it. so i must congratulate the

chair, the democrat leader elijah cummings for doing what i thought was a magnificent job pointing to the hypocrisy in all of this. >> congressman, how do you think this will impact if at all the 201 race of secretary clinton? >> well, i think this might have capped off a very good week or ten days for secretary clinton. i think that she acquitted herself very well during this process. the american people got a chance to see what she would be like under fire, and so i think she's in pretty good shape now joe biden, who i love like a brother, deciding not to get into this. you know -- >> i've got to stop you there, because politico says that your statements to them are saying that he should not run with one of the deciding factors in his

not running, and not only do you love him as a brother, you carry a lot of weight particularly in south carolina. i know that as a former candidate for president myself. and for you to say he shouldn't run and that's the third primary, well the second primary and third in the process, that's like putting up a huge red sign, so i don't know how objective you could be about his withdrawal. >> well, look, i have two brothers, biological brothers. sometimes they ask for my advice. other times i offer it. in this instance, joe is one of several political brothers that i have. i offered my advice. i did not want to see him get into this process at this point because i thought it was a bit late in the day, and i thought that he would not contribute in a positive way to his own

healing from his second great tragedy in his life and so i said my advice to him would be not to get in. that's the kind of advice that i would give to a biological brother, if that's the way i felt about his future. >> have you endorsed anyone yet? >> no, i have not. it's been my practice not to endorse in front of the south carolina primary, because what you are saying now and some other people have said shows why i don't do that, because i want all of the candidates to come to south carolina, to participate. i don't want any of them saying i'm not coming because jim clyburn has already taken sides so i'm going to stay away. i don't want to cheapen our process. i want everybody to come. i want all of my constituents to get an opportunity to size up the candidates and after the south carolina primary you'll

see me get pretty active in this process. >> congressman jim clyburn thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you so much for having me. joining me now for our "politics nation" panel, joan walsh, democratic strategist tara dow-dell and republican strategist jessica proud. thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> well, by everyone's estimation, big week for hillary clinton. do you agree, jessica? >> it was. i think anyone -- >> you do? good. >> it was. but it was a stark contrast to the horrible summer that she had. i would not be claiming victory just yet. she has a challenging road ahead of her. i thought she did acquit herself in the hearings. the fbi is still investigating her, they were watching her testimony very closely, and that's going to be a factor going forward so she's not out of the woods by any stretch.

>> the fbi is still investigating her, joan, but trey gowdy, he talked to reporters. >> right. >> right after the hearing. he's the one that wanted this special benghazi committee, chaired it. he has prosecutorial skills. nothing. nothing happened. let me show you what he said. >> what are the most important new things you learned today? >> i think some of jimmy jordan's questioning -- when you say new today, we knew some of that already. we knew about the e-mails. >> i mean, he couldn't come up with anything new. 11 hours, he wanted this showdown and you get nothing new even pi his admission? >> $5 million of taxpayer dollars that was totally unnecessary. we don't know what the fbi is investigating. i don't know it's accurate to say they're investigating her. there are inner agency justice department interest in the way

things were or were not classified. if they were investigating her, i'll be honest as a democrat, i am a democrat, i was a little nervous about exactly what they might know about there are still classification questions. they got nothing. 11 hours they got nothing. they mentioned sydney blumenthal 82 times. they really were dragging the bottom of the barrel. at the very end of the questioning, there are questions about our libya policy that are going forward and i would love to see a democratic debate just on foreign policy. i'm sure we'll get one next october or november before the election. that's important but they did not lay a finger on her in 11 hours. >> tara, the other problem politically because we don't know what's going on with the fbi investigation or even to what degree they're looking at just mrs. clinton, but politically, 44% had said they were not satisfied with

clinton's response to the benghazi attack. this was beforeghazi hearing this week. 27% said they were. do you think, after the hearing, that begins to turn around? because 44% going in was a significant number. do you think that she's turned a lot of that around? >> i think she's absolutely turned a lot of that around because prior to this, there were nonstop attacks. this has been a politically orchestrated effort to hurt her, and it's been well funded. it looks legitimate because it's coming from congress, so the coverage it receives is reflective of that, but the reality is, you had the majority leader of congress saying that to a republican host that basically this hearing, these hearings were all designed to hurt her, to hurt her poll numbers and so you've had that

admission. you had a whistle-blower who identified as a conservative. i think of course that had an impact on how she was perceived in the public because of the nature of this but she stood there or sat there for 11 hours and she answered questions and she did so gracefully. she did so calmly, and she did so articulately and made the case. they had reals reams of paper. where is the evidence? >> is the public expecting too much? did they raise the bar higher than they could have achieved and do they need to rethink their strategy? >> look, there's not some smoking gun per se but the fact remains -- >> there wasn't even a gun. >> the fact remains it's indisputabl indisputable. there are two major problems for her. one is the fact that multiple requests for additional security were denied and sorry, the buck stops with her, and those

hearings revealed that she didn't even have any contact with him. she laid out the whole initial part of the testimony was how much she wanted him on the ground there, how much she trusted in his judgment and his knowledge of libya, and then you're going to, it doesn't comport with the fact that when he's calling for additional security saying we have a dangerous situation here, that those requests were denied. >> but she said about the budgets and the denying, we can go on and on. >> the budget, but safety and they lied -- >> we already knew that had been charged. >> it's not new but she still hasn't effectively answered the question. >> i think she has. >> the larger one is the fact she, susan rice and president obama lied about the cause of the attack. >> whoa. >> that was confirmed by those two e-mails yesterday. >> well it was 11 hours this week. >> they did not lie. >> clearly they did not establish that yesterday but

let's go to other news of the week. joe biden announcing that he was not going to run, which according to all polls, it shifted a lot of support to mrs. clinton. how do you read that, tara? >> well, i think that clearly a lot of joe biden's support more people who were not supporting hillary clinton and who were not supporting bernie sanders. he has drawn from the obama base, the people who are in the obama coalition who still have issues with both hillary clinton and bernie sanders, but those people skew towards hillary clinton and so just to go back to the benghazi hearing and this is all relevant, when you look at that hearing yesterday, you have folks who were still soft on hillary clinton, the same people drawn to joe biden. those hearings yesterday drew them to hillary clinton. they rallied around her because of the unfairness of the hearings. >> i want to stay with biden a minute because of the fact of the matter is donald trump,

jessica said, that biden would have been a tougher opponent. is that just him trying to set up if he is the nominee? because he's having his problems and we'll talk about that later. is he trying to make a weaker picture on mrs. clinton or is there some truth to that? >> no. look, i think the reason so many people were looking to biden in at first place is because hillary is a flawed kaept. the party although wanting to coordinate her in the beginning were finding the horrible summer she h the missteps, the server gate, all of these reasons were what compelled him to consider it, otherwise he would have, if this was a planned thing he would have been out way earlier. >> i don't think that's true. that's just not true. i'm very sad to say that the sickness and death of his son really got in the way of making a decision. >> he wasn't talking about running publicly before that. >> neve ruled it out. >> let me call a hold here.

everyone stay with me. we have a lot more ahead and jessica is still swinging. she hasn't given an inch. i like that. coming up, president obama talks about being profiled by police. also, is ben carson the next donald trump. and what does neil degrass tyson think about the science of "star wars"? you're watching "politics nation" with al sharpton. y to "♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪

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population. but now signs of progress. in congress, a key senate committee just approved a new bipartisan bill on sentencing reform, and the president renewed his push for criminal justice reform. meeting with law enforcement leaders in a roundtable this week at the white house, and he sat down with the marshall project's bill kel keller, the moderator of the roundtable. he got candid about his own experiences with the criminal justice system. i'm joined by bill keller, former executive editor for the "new york times" and current editor-in-chief at the marshall project. thanks for being here this morning. >> thanks for inviting me. >> the conversation, the dialogue you had with the president, one of the things is he talked about his own personal experiences with being racially profiled. >> like most african-american

men in our society, there have been occasions in which it was pretty clear profiling or stereotyping taking place. there have been times where i've been stopped and it wasn't clear why. there have been a couple of times where i was not issued a ticket and it raises the question as to why i was stopped. >> one of the things that's become more and more clear is that he does see this issue through the eyes of somebody who grew up an african-american, who worked in the south side of chicago as an organizer, and a lot of what he had to say was very clearly from that p perspecti perspective. >> does it give the sensitivity differently than we've seen in the past in terms of the occupant of the oval office to these issues of criminal justice both in terms of mass incarceration, racial profiling, police reform, and other things

that you discussed yesterday? >> i think it gives them a couple things. first of all it gives them a level of sophistication about the issue, and the other panelists and i were talking afterwards about how well briefed he is and how deeply he understands these issues. it also gives him a kind of credibility that a president without his experience wouldn't have, not with everybody, obviously there's some people who are against whatever he's for. but he does bring a certain life experience that adds to his arguments. glt death penalty came up and the president came very close to, in my observation, saying he was against the death penalty. let me play that. >> i have not traditionally been opposed to the death penalty in theory, but in practice, it's deeply troubling. i think at a time when we're spending a lot of time thinking about how to make the system

more fair, more just, that we have to include an examination of the death penalty. >> do you feel that somewhere between now and the end of his term, he may be the first president to come out forthright and say i'm opposed to the death penalty? >> i would not be surprised. he tiptoed right up to the edge of it. he talked rather forcefully about the racial disparities in the death penalty, the number of death row inmates exonerated at the last minute, about the sort of botched executions that we've seen in the past year. it's hard to imagine somebody who voices those concerns isn't going to declare his opposition to the death penalty and eric heeleder, his first attorney general, made it very clear he was personally against the death penalty. >> will we see legislation this year passed in time? >> there's a reasonably good chance. it won't be a dramatic reformation of criminal justice system.

there's a big decision among the advocates of criminal justice reform between people who say this is the moment that anything short of a victory is defeat and the president's in the second camp who say let's take the best we can get and push forward to get more next time. >> well we need to get something done. i grew up in a movement where they said demonstration without legislation will lead to more frustration. so i hope we see this move forward. bill keller, thank you for being on this morning. >> you're welcome. ahead, will ben carson bring down donald trump? and can paul ryan tame the right? also, our conversation with superstar scientist neil degrass tyson. ...isn't it time to let the... ...real you shine... ...through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection, or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently.

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proud. carson is surging. is he a real threat to trump, jessica? is trump's act wearing thin? >> i think so. carson has this great way with people and i think people find him very genuine and they both come from that outsider status, but he's much more palatable and when you look at the iowa numbers, there's over 40% of the candidates they'd most like to see get out of the race is trch trmp. they couldn't be more night and day personality wise. >> though some of carson's statements are dinkind of out te when you turn up the volume a little, it's like wow. >> well that outsider appeal that clearly is resonating with voters right now. >> well -- >> but you see at the same time, you've been involved in politics and political strategies, tara. at the same time jeb bush is

really, really sinking. he's cutting salaries. he says he's focusing on early states. his family is holding a two-day retreat to reassure donors and let me share what jeb bush is talking about, trying to discipline in his downsizing the campaign. >> this means lean and mean and means that i have the ability to adapt. every dollar we can save in overhead is a dollar that goes on television, goes on radio, goes on media, goes on voter outreach. >> is he going lean and mean or about to be pushed out of the seat? >> he is seen as inauthentic. he's hemorrhaging money because he's losing and having to spend more money to try to stay afloat, to try to keep from going lower than he already sank. when you look at a ben carson, he does say really extreme,

crazy things, but at the same time there is a part of the gop base that agrees with those very things that he's saying. donald trump saying really extreme, really terrible things but there's a part of the gop base that agrees with what he is saying as well. >> joan, what happens in a general? if you have a ben carson who talked about slif eslavery and affordable air contaafford able care act. >> if only the jews had guns we wouldn't have a holocaust. >> how do you sell that to the general election voter? >> you can't. the thing people need to understand about ben carson, iowa is the great state because of evangelical christians. when donald trump said he never had to ask god to forgive him and communion, didn't he call it a cracker, everybody thought then that would hurt him but it didn't immediately. i think in general it has. the other thing about ben carson

people don't really know is he is a product of a kind of christian evangelical lecture circuit, book circuit, radio circuit that some of us are not necessarily plugged in. that's not my circuit but i think he has a constituency before the campaign which enabled him to raise the money he's raised and have the profile he's had, when many of us barely heard of him. >> jessica, back to you on this. paul ryan, him becoming just about now the speaker, is that a win for the gop establishment? >> i think so. he obviously reluctantly came to the table on this but i think he will make a fantastic speaker. he is someone that can unite all the factions of the party. he's a policy wonk with you also very personable. it's a thankless job, clearly we saw that play out but if anybody can do it, paul ryan can. >> joan, why will he be more

successful than his predecessor in dealing with that freedom caucus? >> i don't think it's a done deal. daniel webster is sill till in race. this republican party, this leadership has been surprised before, consistently surprised about their inability to get the number of votes they need and now paul ryan said i don't just want 218. i want 235 or 240. i don't know if if he gets them. if he doesn't get them, does he say i toebt' want to have to live with these people and we have to lift the debt ceiling. >> the problem, tara, dealing with the debt ceiling and serious things. let me show you what paul ryan said about the gop. >> we need to move from an opposition party to being a proposition party. because we think the nation is on the wrong path, we have a duty to show the right one. we have become the problem. if my colleagues entrust me to be the speaker, i want us to

become the solution. >> how do you become a proposition party if the party's decided on what they're proposing? >> that's exactly right. you look at the freedom caucus, when you look at them, they will say they'd rather not do anything than to give one tiny inch to the president of the united states. that's the position they staked out. they're mad at john boehner because he compromised with democrats, because he compromised with the president. those issues have not gone away. that is their position. they're okay with shutting down government. they're okay with burning down the house, and so he's going to go into a party that has a large portion of it who wants to do not anything involved with compromise. >> has the far hard right hurt the presidential race in terms of the image of the republican party voters? >> they can't hold the entire

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maybe you've seen him at the white house with bill nye the science guy and president obama. or maybe you heard him hitting opponents with something they can't handle -- facts. >> all i'm saying is, when different experiments give you the same result, it is no longer subject to your opinion. that's the good thing about science. it's true whether or not you believe in it. that's why it works. i don't want to lose to "duck dynasty." i don't know what that would mean if the "cosmos" lost to duck people. >> this is this week's "national review" and there you are on the cover. >> there appears to be some jealousy that the nerd set, the geek set tends to vote democrat and i think they want some of those geeks. >> now he's back with a new season of his show "star talk." he talks to actors, comedians, and even politicians about

science. >> in your childhood, k through 12, did that leave a good or bad taste in your mouth with regard to math and science? >> good. >> good, that means you had some good teachers? >> i did have some good teachers. i liked chemistry. i had a good chemistry teacher in high school but i figured out sometime in my late teens that an enormous part of the future, even the lives of ordinary americans were shaped by these breathtaking advances in science and technology, and would have enormous practical implications. >> not everybody thinks that way and i'm trying to figure out why not. >> joining me now is neil degrass tyson. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> good to see you. >> great to timely meet you. >> let me ask you, do people really appreciate how science affects their lives?

>> no, i don't think so. well, you don't have to appreciate it. just don't assume it's not there. there's a lot that you can just take for granted, your car can tell you when to turn left to visit grandma. there are satellites communicating coordinates on earth, corrected for general relativistic effects and all this is going on in grandma's house is right down the street. so i don't require. i think that you embrace it, but if you run around saying i don't need science, you are clueless about what role science and technology plays in civilization. >> when you see things that are there, i mean, you even have presidential candidates denying climate change. what are your thoughts on that? >> i try not to concern -- this sounds crazy but i try not to concern myself with presidential candidates, because they're representing an electorate, so the issue for me at least as an educator is not beating candidates over the head but to educate an electorate so they understand the consequences of

action or inaction of one kind of a decision or another on the future of our, of the nation's health, wealth and security, and then it's they who then decide who leads them. it's like a cottage industry beating up the heads of candidates. if they're ahead of the polls it's because people want them there. so it's about the people. it's never really about the candidates. >> you know i'm a minister, i have to ask this. where does faith and religion fit into the cosmos? >> historically there was a time when our only understanding of the world came to us via books, so for example in biblical genesis, there's a whole discussion of the plants, the animals, when they came, what sequence the university was created in six days and people didn't have any other ways to think about those questions until the methods and tools of science arose and that began basically around the year 1600, when the telescope and the

microscope came on the scene, and once that happened, we start revealing things about the universe that nobody's religious text was providing, and so at that point, you start seeing a rift between things that are methods and tools tell us about the natural world and things your religious book might have told you, and so whenever there's a conflict, it is almost always because you have an understanding of the universe that differs from that of scientists, but there are plenty of religious scientists, you say i will use the science to understand the world and use my religious text to understand my spiritual relationship to it. and then they have harmonized the two in that way. >> or that i use my religion to say how all of this came together in a scientific methodical way. >> so there's a hybridization of that, where people would say the catholic church has done this, they've accepted evolution but asserted at some point god

breathed a soul into the primates. >> they had to evolve from something. >> so the ways people have cobbled this together, i'm saying when there's a conflict it's because the religious person is trying to say something about the physical world that we have differing evidence from our methods and tools. otherwise it's not really, if you want to keep it spiritual, no one is going to argue that. >> what is the most exciting thing about your new show? you're so passionate about this. >> what i like about it is what we did was invert what might have been you think is the typical example of what a science interview would be. you might think it's a journalist interviewing a scientist. i said okay if you tune in to that you probably already like science and so how about the people who don't like science or don't know that they like science. do we have anything for them? in "star talk" my guests are hardly ever scientists, they're

performers, singers, politicians. in my conversation with them, i try to reveal all the ways science has impacted their lives and their livelihoods, and often what happens in there, they reveal a kind of a geek underside where they can, with pride say yes. >> that they were never able to talk about. >> there's no other occasion for it to come up and proudly speak of pretending they have a light saber in a bar or something. it allows the public to see how ubiquitous it is. >> you said, i want to read a quote from you, you said "the fact that i wanted to be a skype 'tis and astrophysicist was, hands down, the path of most resistance. teachers would say, don't you want to be an athlete?"

you made that statement and it made me think about you as an african-american pursuing something that others saw you in a different part and the second part of that is, does that put pressure on you since you've become this very famous scientist to be a role model for african-americans? >> it's a great, great point. early on, i wanted to be an astrophysicist and athletic. people had a blind side to the intellectual part. the only examples they've seen african-americans are athletes. i understand the bias but it was kind of interfered with my own ambitions but i stayed with it. that took some effort but i stayed with it. in terms of role model, i think the concept of role model is overrated in the following sense. had i required a black ast astrophysicist who grew up in

the bronx, i would have never been an astrophysicist. i stapled together pieces of different material and assembled my role model ala company cart. there was parents with the moral fib fiber, i had an athletic role model but i didn't want to be them. i wanted to be myself but with the talents they exhibited and in that way you're not restricted to finding the person who came and stepped before you. >> i think i did a similar thing and i didn't even know science. neil stay with me for a moment. >> i will do. >> when we come back we'll talk about the science of "star wars." cannot be controlled. when a wildfire raged through elkhorn ranch, the sudden loss of pasture became a serious problem for a family business. faced with horses that needed feeding and a texas drought that sent hay prices soaring, the owners had to act fast. thankfully, mary miller banks with chase for business.

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>> "star wars" everyone is going nuts about it, but even if the force is strong, can you trust the science? back with me is a man who knows, kneel degrasse tyson. let me ask you. i want to check the science here. light sabers, possible? >> so "star wars" is not the movie franchise you want to sit there and analyze the science. the fantasy overrides -- there's no science officer or engineers like in "star trek." given that fact we can talk about the light saber. i actually got into a twitter dust-up with a colleague of mine, brian cox, he's a physicist in england and i tweeted, i said light sabers can cut through things but if it's just light, it's like two flashlights the light will pass through one another. it can't have a swashbuckling contest. he came back and said if you have high enough energy photons

that can interact and he convinced me. gamma ray high energy photons, another set of gamma rays trying to cross them will interact with one another and prevent the blades from crossing. you can hit them off of one another but otherwise, you can easily make an energetic beam that can decapitate things and that's easy. that's the easy part. it's the swashbuckler and by the way i still don't understand why they use these things when you can shoot them at a distance with a gun. >> yeah, you're from the bronx. let me ask you, can ships go at light speed? >> i got to hand it to "star wars" for giving the first visualization what it is to hit warp speed, light speed, when the stars -- now everybody's doing that. they set that standard back in the '70s. hats off to them. can you go light -- we know of no way to accomplish that so you give it to them because it's

science fiction, but otherwise even, by the way, even if we could travel at light speed it would still take longer than your lifetime to cross the galaxy. so it's, so we have to do much better than just light speed. you have to go like 1,000 times faster than light if you want to get anywhere. >> can you destroy an entire planet with one laser? >> if it's a powerful enough laser but i keep asking, why do you want to explode the whole planet? if you don't like the people living on the surface of the planet, get rid of them and keep the plannette when you're done. keep the planet after you're done. why turn it into rubble? i never quite understood the military motivation of that. >> how do all the aliens look like humans? >> so that one, if you look at life on earth, and we all have common dna at some level, life on earth, we have oak trees and

lady bugs and worms and jellyfish and humans, line them all up, they'd look like they come from different planets except we all come from earth. if you get life from actual other planet, i would think that they would look more different from life on earth than life on earth looks from itself. so i'm disappointed with the lack of imagination of hollywood coming up with what aliens will woo look like. >> are droids a real isn't it. >> we practically have these now. makes me wonder if that far in the future in a gallaxy far, fa away, could they have done better. it's a cute little thing, will probably sell well in the aftermarket of kids' toys. but i want one. give me one. >> neil degrasse tyson, thank you for your time. catch the season premiere of his

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