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>> a defection was about to shake jonestown to its core. deborah leyton blakey, 25-year-old member of the temple's innermost circle, had escaped from guyana and she was going public. >> it took me six weeks to plan it. i told nobody, not even the embassy, until the day i knew i was to leave. you can't trust anybody at that point. >> he said she's going to spread lies. the next thing you know, the fbi, cia, all of them will be here on us. and my god, they will treat us worse than they did the jews in the concentration camps. >> jim had a pathological obsession with anybody being taken away from his fold. it made him completely crazy. so when debbie defected she brought jim to a new place of complete and total paranoia. >> blakey had sworn out a

stunning 11-page affidavit testifying to temple abuses. and she took it to the press. >> she was alleging very serious things about conditions in jonestown, about guns being in jonestown and about mass suicide rehearsals. and that was taking the story to another level. >> everyone stood in a line, went up and drank this red, you know, it was kind of a -- tasted like that thing, the drink little children drink but you have to put a lot of sugar in it first. >> kool-aid. >> kool-aid but without sugar. that's what it was. i don't know. it had a horrible taste initially. you kind of think, well, maybe there is something in there. people would file up, get the drink and get on the other side. >> you are telling me this man took 1,100 people and gathered them together. >> well, he does every day. yeah.

>> and he said, drink this poison. >> yeah. >> and they drank it? >> that's right. >> you drank it? >> yeah. >> that story was what kind of got a lot of the families of the members, that got them really alarmed. they were concerned about this kind of, well, borderline mad stuff that got people concerned back here. >> we wanted to see for ourselves because we had been receiving conflicting accounts of what life was like in jonestown. >> california congressman leo ryan was one of those following the story with an intense personal interest. >> a lot of constituents came to congressman ryan and were legitimately outraged and anguished and wanted something to be done. and frankly, that's what government is supposed to do. >> ryan had a reputation, very

tempestuous. i want to see it for myself. larger-than-life character. and he had spent some time in the state prison to sort of see conditions firsthand. >> what he had was this unquenchable desire to seek truth out. and if someone said everything's okay, it was reason for him to say everything isn't okay. >> so he -- he pulled a group together, he met with a bunch of people including reporters at various newspapers including myself and he sort of said, i'm going to go down to jonestown and i'm going to see firsthand what it's like in there. >> i was the nbc correspondent responsible for latin america. and about a week before they went down, ten days before they went down, i was called by the foreign editor in new york and said, "we're going to send you to jonestown with congressman leo ryan." i had just come back from a lot of fighting in nicaragua and i said, "well, i'll pass."

>> in place of fred francis nbc sends correspondent don harris, cameraman bob brown, producer bob flick and sound man steve sung to san francisco to cover the story. >> we were at the san francisco airport in a room and it was don harris, bob brown -- you will never meet up with another man like jim jones. i'm telling you the truth. and you know, you -- i'm just saying -- >> are you ready for us to roll. we're going to go ahead and roll. i'm asking her. are you aware we're rolling? >> no. i just want to tell you right now. i'm telling you, you say there's a lot of this and you can't believe that. i'm telling you, you have never met up with a man like jim jones. in the middle of the interview i said i want you to know, there's a possibility you could get killed down there. the next thing i know is the

cameras were shut down and they said we don't want to talk about that. and i said, okay, whatever. you know. >> five days later, congressman ryan heads off to guyana, with the nbc crew, his assistant jackie speier, print reporters time ryderman and charles krause, photographer greg robinson and more than a dozen concerned relatives. >> here comes this man into our community. we face them coming in secretly, some of them coming in, that we know of, on a commercial plane. it will be easy to handle. >> the only interest the united states government had in jonestown is americans were being held against their will. which is why i don't understand why jones adopted the only strategy that would bring the united states government to our doorstep. >> they say we are communists. we are degenerates. we are against christ.

if we have to kill some of them or provoke them to kill each other, we will do that. they come here with that full knowledge. >> i remember thinking, this is dangerous. i was in the process of purchasing a condominium in arlington at the time and i made the purchase contingent on my surviving the trip. because i didn't want my parents to be saddled with the responsibility if i didn't live. >> i've had no direct response from the peoples temple of any kind so far. none. zero. none. >> it was made very clear to us that we weren't guaranteed an invitation to come and visit jonestown. that the embassy couldn't guarantee us that opportunity. so we were, you know, we were taking a chance by making the trip. >> i haven't seen my brothers and sisters in four years. they can tell me right to my face they are happy. >> the situation was

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>> congressman leo ryan's entourage flies out to the jungle even though jim jones still hasn't agreed to let them into jonestown. negotiations continue on the remote airstrip at ft. kaituma. >> i'm congressman ryan. and you are? >> corporal rudder. >> how are you, corporal? nice to meet you. we are here from the united states government to inquire into the health and welfare of the american citizens who are here. that is our only intention. >> before i give permission to go in there i would have to get instruction from my chief inspector. >> jones' instructions were not to let the congressman in. there was a loose meeting of me and eight or nine other people. it wasn't like we were some -- it was very informal. it just happened to be who was there. marcy was there and some others

and said, why should we not let them in? they are expecting to be turned away. and we have nothing to hide. the congressman was allowed to come in. that was against jones' orders. jones wasn't even up -- he wasn't even around at this time. he was too drugged up in his cottage. he didn't show up until like 8:00 that night. >> the wrangling finally ends. the congressman, the press and a number of relatives are going in. >> and it was a jungle and this dump truck that we were on was carrying us through the jungle and then all of a sudden you saw a sign that said, you know, jonestown. and you look to the left and there were crops growing. and i thought to myself, wow, this is something. out of a jungle they have carved a very viable community in which

to live. >> there were people there, black, white, men, women, children. >> it looked a little bit like summer camp i went to when i was a kid. >> you walked through the facilities and had to be impressed. they had log cabins that people were living in and a medical clinic and a child care center. in a short period of time they had made a viable home for themselves. >> jonestown looked really good. most of the work that had been done in the last couple of months had been done on aesthetics and trying to beautify it. and actually, it was. it was very pretty. >> are you happy here? >> i should say i am. i never been any happier in my life. >> you want to stay? >> definitely. >> it was very well organized. >> what do you think? >> i like it here.

i don't want to go back for nothing in the world. >> i had people who had been assigned to me, and they stayed by my side and made sure that i went where they wanted me to go and talked only with those people they wanted me to talk with. >> i remember jones sitting in a chair at the end of a table and all of us started asking questions and it became very clear very quickly that jim jones was unstable. >> he was sweating profusely. i don't know if he was on drugs or whether he was sick. but he was already, i think, on the verge. >> on the other hand, the people seemed to be well-clothed, well-fed, didn't seem to be particularly unhappy. there was no evidence that they were being held there against

their will. >> a few conversations i have had with some of the folks here this evening, whatever the comments are, there are some people here that believe this is the best thing that ever happened to them in their whole lives. [ cheers & applause ] >> the fact that this ovation would go on as long as it did, you know, when things happen and you get kind of uncomfortable, it doesn't feel right. i mean, that's how i felt. and to think even the kind of, the chuckle, the laughter that congressman ryan showed was -- there was a nervousness to it. and we didn't know then that there were people that wanted to leave. but we did know it wasn't adding up. >> let me say thank you on behalf of my staff, on behalf of the press and relatives that are in here now, for hosting us here this evening. we really appreciate it.

>> then jon harris was smoking a cigarette and walking around the perimeter of the pavilion and two members of the peoples temple independently slipped him notes basically saying i want to get out of here. that was confirmation. our greatest fears had been realized and then we knew that people were being held there against their will. >> so all of a sudden we were aware that the next day the facade was going to begin to crumble because some of the people from the peoples temple in jonestown were going to try to leave with the congressman. ar from virtually anywhere. it's been smashed, dropped and driven. it's perceptive enough to detect other vehicles on the road. it's been shaken, rattled and pummeled. it's innovative enough to brake by itself, park itself and help you steer. it's been in the rain...

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it appears to be going well. on his first night in jonestown california congressman leo ryan is enjoying what looks to be a healthy, happy place. >> we came there knowing that we were going to see a show. the question was, was anyone going to be brave enough to come forward? were we going to be able to see any cracks? >> and then the cracks come when two temple members separately pass notes to nbc's don harris pleading to get out. >> then we knew the people were being held there against their will. so we kept that confidential overnight.

and it was nerve-racking. i don't know that i slept a wink. >> the atmosphere was very different when we got back the next morning because now we all had hard proof that jonestown was more like a concentration camp than a kind of summer camp and that made a huge difference in the atmosphere and the tone of the questions and of the situation. >> i'm going to need an oral affidavit from you. >> the next morning i asked to speak to each of them and then got oral affidavits from them of their desire to leave and escorted them to their cabins to get their belongings. >> i didn't know anybody that thought that the correct policy was to make people stay there.

what i was hoping was let people leave that want to leave. great. more room for us and less hassles. >> jones was licking his lips nervously. he was sucking his cheeks in and out. he was at one point asking for some medication. >> there is only one thing to be explored and that's this question of -- >> a lot to be explored. >> for us, the thing of fear. this is a good example. last night someone came and passed me this note. >> well, that's who we are talking about. he wants to leave his son here. jonestown is such a bad place, why does he want to leave his son here? he is the one i'm talking about. this is the man who wants to leave his son here. >> does it concern you, though,

that this man, for whatever reason, one of the people in your group -- >> people play games, friend. they lie. they lie. what can i do about liars? are you people going -- leave us. i just beg you. please leave us. we won't bother anybody. if anybody wants to get out of here, get out of here. we have no problem getting out of here. they come and go all the time. i don't know what kind of game -- people like -- people like publicity. some people do. i don't. some people like publicity. if it is so damn bad why is he leaving his son here? can you give me a good reason for that? i'd take my son. i'd take my son with me. >> it was very humiliating to jim jones to have to say on camera that people wanted to leave. and moments after that interview something had happened there that was eerie and unexpected. >> it was about 2:00 in the

afternoon. congressman ryan and the media were literally on the truck and leaving jonestown, seven people or eight people out of all his population. it seemed like, wow, cool, we're going to get through this. this is going to be okay. it looks like we're not going to be disintegrated. and i'm talking about from the outside. the sky turned black. this wind came up. and it just went -- it almost became night. just torrential rain. it felt like evil itself flew into jonestown. that's what it felt like. it was a physical feeling. everything changed. >> then all hell broke loose. then more and more people wanted to leave. so the tension grew. the sense of indignation by jim jones, why are you leaving me

was sort of his rant. and i think at that point he knew that it was over. the charade was over. >> not that i don't think what you are doing here is wonderful because i do. but i want to go home. >> just know we have a place for you. >> okay. >> always a place. there's always a place for you. >> i know. i know there's always a place for me. >> i have no problem -- even some that have lied, they've come back. i think i pretty well proved. >> so originally it was seven people that were leaving. by the time that rainstorm was over, it was up to 16 or 17 people that were leaving. >> jim jones walked away and was standing by himself and i went over to him and i said, how do you feel right now, now that

people say they want to leave? and he said, we are being destroyed from within. >> then there was anguished visions that i still have in my mind where one parent wanted to leave and was pulling the child one way -- >> get back here! you bring him back! don't you take my kids! >> the other parent wanted to stay. was pulling the arm of a child in the other direction. there were custody battles breaking out in front of us. it was very explosive, very emotionally charged. every time i escorted another member of peoples temple who wanted to leave to their cabin, there were gunmen standing around. and you know, you didn't know

whether or not they were going to take a shot or not. >> and the numbers kept on growing, the number of people that were leaving. families, literally families were being ripped apart. >> so many more people wanted to leave that we didn't have enough planes. so it was agreed to that i would escort the first airlift out and congressman ryan would stay back with probably another 40 or 50 people that wanted to leave. >> all of a sudden those of us in the truck heard some screaming from the pavilion. and i remember jumping down from the truck, as did a number of the other journalists. running towards the pavilion to see what was happening. then we see congressman ryan and his -- and a couple of other

people coming towards us from the pavilion. his shirt had blood all over it. he said, don't worry. i'm all right. let's just get back in the truck and let's go. >> what happened? >> i stood up and was -- had been talking with the two attorneys for the temple and suddenly the knife was around my neck and i was in danger. and i pushed the hand away, fell back against him, others grabbed him and pulled him off me. that's where we are. >> who grabbed him? >> everybody did. >> suddenly the situation had kind of come to a point where everyone understood that almost anything could happen. my whole world dissolved in that moment because all of a sudden i had been playing peace and love

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gathers his group and leaves jonestown with 15 defectors from peoples temple. two planes are waiting to take them from this remote airstrip back to georgetown. >> i actually thought we had dodged a bullet. i thought we got out of there. we exposed the peoples temple for what it was, we've saved some people's lives and we got out just in the nick of time. >> all of a sudden this tractor-trailer appeared at the end of the runway. the tractor-trailer started moving down the runway toward the planes and i heard pop, pop, pop, pop. they were coming at us. and they were shooting people. >> i didn't even realize they were gunshots at first. the smart people dove into the

bush. congressman ryan ran under the plane and i ran under the plane, followed suit. i hid behind one wheel. >> one of the bullets suddenly hit my side. it was amazing impact. and i thought i was going to die. i mean, they were still -- it was -- i just thought, okay, this is it. >> the gunfire continued. then there was silence. then there were some deliberate shots. >> someone shot the congressman point blank to make sure he was dead. then went around and i think shot don harris to make sure that he was dead. and as i recall, one more bullet was fired in that -- in those moments. >> i was lying there with my head down trying to pretend that

i was dead. and i was shot down the whole right-hand side of my body. >> i saw that the photographer with me, greg robinson, congressman ryan, bob brown, don harris of nbc and patricia parks who is one of the defectors were all dead. >> i thought, oh, my god. this is it. i'm 28 years old. i'm not going to live to be in my 80s. i'm not going to have the opportunity to get married and have children. it's over.

and my then 86-year-old grandmother sort of flashed in my mind. i thought, i'm not going to have her live through my funeral if i can avoid it. so i dragged my body to the plane. >> jackie was literally hanging on to the side of the plane. her body was covered in blood. and i remember trying to help her get into the plane, but then it became clear that that plane had been disabled, the engine had been shot. >> then i was pulled out of there and placed on the side of the airstrip. so i was on that airstrip for 22 hours without medical attention and kind of got through the night by drinking guyanese rum.

>> when they called the meeting on that last day after the congressman left, we had meetings all the time. it was hardly a stretch to go up there. my wife gloria said, "i should probably go get diapers and a bottle, it's probably going to be a long meeting." >> a handful of our people, with their lives, have made our life impossible. there is no way to detach ourselves from what's happened today. we are sitting here waiting on a powder keg. >> the pavilion is completely filled and is surrounded by armed guards. there's nobody else walking around. >> a congressman was nearly killed here. but you can't steal people's children. you can't take off with people's children without expecting a violent reaction. if we can't live in peace, let us die in peace. >> my heart is up in my throat, oh, my god. they're talking about dying.

>> we are not committing suicide. it's a revolutionary act. we can't go back and there's no way we can survive. >> inside i was trying to find out, is he really going to do this. a part of me said he is going to kill everybody including me. and another pat of me said, this is not happening. this makes no sense. you don't do this. it doesn't make any sense. >> anybody who has any dissenting opinion, please speak. yes, christine. >> i think what i feel, and i think we all have a right to our own destiny as individuals. >> right. >> and i think i have a right to choose mine and everybody else has a right to choose theirs. >> that's what plenty people said today with their lives. >> i think i still have a right to my own opinion. >> i'm not taking it from you. i'm not taking it from you. >> christine, you are only standing here because he was here in the first place. i don't know what you're talking about having an individual life. your life has been extended to the day that you're standing

there because of him. >> the congressman has been murdered. >> it's all over. >> it's all over, all over. >> the congressman is dead. patty parks is dead. please get us some medication. it's simple. no convulsions with it, just simple. please get it. before it's too late. the gdf will be here. i tell you, get moving, get moving, get moving. if these people land they'll torture our children, they'll torture our people. they'll torture our seniors. we cannot have this. >> jones had this habit of always taking things to the edge. for years he had been like this. he took things to the edge and then would step back. >> please, can we hasten with that medication. we have to move. >> we have to move and the people that are standing there in the aisle, everybody get behind the table and back this way, okay? there's nothing to worry about. everybody keep calm and try to keep your children calm. >> i'm trying to find a way out to save my wife and son and to

get out of here. when i got up to the back of the stage and looked to the right, gloria was holding my son, tears streaming down her face. she looked trapped. she had no choice. that was the look in her face. agony was on her face. a woman named sharon cobb, the pediatric nurse practitioner, there was a syringe in malcolm's mouth. >> mother, mother, mother, mother, please, mother, please, please, please, put down your life with your child. >> malcolm was already dead. gloria was dying. i held her in my arms. i kept on sobbing, i love you so much. i love you so much. i love you so much. as if the force of my love could somehow make things better for her and she knew how sorry i was that she was in that situation

and she, i felt her spirit leaving her body in my arms. and that point in time the world was just black. it was just dark. there was nothing. >> seven miles away on the jungle airstrip it takes another 20 hours before rescue and recovery come to the dead, wounded and stranded from the attack on congressman ryan's mission. >> when they did airlift us out around 1:00 in the afternoon, 2:00, there was a u.s. medevac plane waiting for us. when they took me and lifted me into that plane, i felt like i had just been wrapped in the american flag.

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they made it through. so we took a night off and went to see a movie. it was "tora, tora, tora." >> we were watching a movie and an usher came down as the japanese pilots are strafing pearl harbor. >> the message was, we've been ordered to get revenge. of course, right away, i knew things had gone very badly. >> the folks in georgetown have no idea how very badly it has gone. both in jonestown and back at the house where staff member sharon amos has received jones' suicide order. she gathers her children in the upstairs bathroom and slits their throats and hers. >> when we came back, the guyanese defense force was there. they said, everybody come up into the living room. we went and sat in the living room upstairs, about 50 of us in a circle, and they brought out

body bags. sharon had killed herself and her three kids while we had been gone. so -- >> on that night when it all went down, before i laid my head down, i just said, you know, to as many people as i could, don't do anything stupid. if you are feeling like hurting yourself, talk to someone. and as i drifted off in this maddening coma, i looked at blood dripping from the ceiling because we were below where sharon and her children had died. >> good evening. in one of the strangest cases of mass suicide and murder ever recorded the government of guyana said the bodies of 383 men, women and children have been found at jonestown. >> and so the body count begins. changing every day. >> nobody knew for sure what had happened. nobody knew how many people had

died and my mother seemed to think that my sisters were alive. and, in fact, my younger sister annie led a group of children to safety in venezuela. she was in total denial. i knew my sisters were dead from the get-go because they were true believers, they were absolutely committed. there was no way they were going to abandon the cause. >> the way we finally found out, at least i found out, someone called us from the stateside and read the list to us of the folks -- of the people who had died. i saw my mother's name written on a piece of paper as this person on the phone wrote down the names they were told. my mother, my brothers, my sisters, my girlfriend, my friends. my world. my community. watched them written down on a piece of paper. >> the first radio broadcast was only 300 people died, so we tried to make a list of who we thought had survived, who might

have survived. it might be the kids or the seniors. we tried to come up with a list hoping that it was wrong and it was misinformation. so we worked on that and as the reports came in more and more they said, no, everybody is dead in jonestown. >> i saw it on tv. the first thing i did was throw up. i was horrified. i was sick. i was very happy jim was dead. i didn't have one qualm about that. but as the body counts came in and it was more and more of my friends were found dead. i just cried and grieved and cried and grieved for months.

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hell on earth, where 909 people "drank the kool-aid." where parents, after seeing their children fed poison after being told they were hopelessly under attack were given a deadly potion as the solution to

despair. where seniors too old to defend themselves were injected or forced at gun point to drink it. suicide? murder? blind allegiance? all true. but none by itself sufficient to explain it. >> it was such a horrific thing to see, to see those little babies, to see those people stacked up like cordwood. today, 30 years later, when people ask me what is the biggest story you ever covered, i tell them it was jonestown. it was the most traumatic thing i ever saw, i ever experienced. in 30 years with nbc news i have seen an awful lot of carnage, an awful lot of death but nothing that even approaches that. >> cult is a four-letter word. it's not informative. it's judgmental. and i think that as soon as we call any religious group a cult we have dismissed it. we don't have to take them seriously. we don't have to examine or investigate what they believe.

we already know everything we need to know about that group. the fact is, it's a real human being that died as opposed to this dehumanized mass of rotting flesh. >> the people in guyana were the best people you would ever meet. they were the most dedicated. they were not people who were bought out by fancy cars. they were not people who wanted the fanciest trappings in the world around them. really we were people who wanted to work and do whatever it took. >> the truth is, you know, your average joe american could get caught up in something of a closed community if his or her needs were right and the opportunity presented itself. particularly for anyone who is disenfranchised. >> it's like, okay, what do i do to remove some of that guilt or some of the filth that is

collected by dealing with this for decades? you help people. you become involved in your community. you become involved in your city. you try to be an asset to society rather than a deficit. you do the same things that you were taught before, set the example. and that's all you can do.

i cannot believe i really was in colombia. not only 18, i wasn't even thinking about you're going smuggle drugs. i'm going literally have it in my bra and in my underwear. >> get me out of here! >> i realized i was set up. so now i'm suspicious of