e. by the way carson is so low. he is lower energy than bush. i don't know what is going on. we're going to talk about the fact that for the first time in 1 hyundais, i had a poll that said that i am in second place in iowa. don't worry only in iowa. the rest we're killing. i think halloween is come canning. we have the senator john and political writer for the times and former governor of vermont

and then committee howard dean is doing this and then washington gop and author of the selfie and anderson. good to have you on board. >> talk about popcorn popping. >> yeah, with the top off. >> yeah, going after carson and we saved the toughest for him when we talked about him firing everybody and the energy. what's going on there. >> talked about his mommy and daddy. seems like once again bush is getting out of his game where he sounds like listen, i have just had about enough of this. if you want to elect him, i have better things to do.

i don't get it. is trump bringing out campers. >> if you're mark and -- >> you ran for office and asked people to vote for you you. >> you hated it a year in. >> so you just ran to be president. >> there's a famous parallel there. it's the barack obama parallel. >> another man that hated the senate when he arrived. >> the political profile as far were as it obtains to running and operating in the state and being big man on campus. big fish in a little pond. immediately harry reid comes and says you hate this place, are why don't you run for president and get out of here. that's what he said. >> now, you're jumping the gun on my newscast. >> that should be fair. should be fair to both of them.

you would probably hate it too if you were there. >> i don't think so. well, i am not saying that i would like it anymore than the next person. it's an honor and when i look back and look at things, it was not a balance budget or the welfare reform. they have people coming up to me saying my dad was about to lose his farm because the irs kept a four year investigation. you said arrest him or get off the form. working with the agency and you actually -- helping people. you get things done. if it's not just about being a young man in a hurry. >> well, i never called the irs. >> you know what i am saying. i am not picking on the irs.

it could have been a social security check or were a va problem. you can pick up the phone, and i found for me that they were responsible. the investigation has been going on song. that's really rewarding stuff. >> when i hear people saying that it sucks because i cannot be king of the world with 100 other kings of the world, i roll my eyes and say that he does not know how that works. >> it's unusual to complain on the senate when running for senator. >> yeah, in the first term. >> yeah, and he has been running for four. like barack bam. >> so any of these elected offices and the bottom line is that it's not about you marc o.o

>> everybody seems unhappy all of the time. if you're mark, the first policy was the immigration bill that tanked. if you're a guy that want toss go and make a difference, it's frustrating. >> if you expect to make a difference the first year, you're going to be disappointed. that's the thing. that's the the biggest challenge for the republican party. everybody that's worth anything that get elected seems to want to run for president the third day that they get there. the senate used to work because you had people that wanted to be there and were institutional and understood how to work with each other. if they have time to sit down -- >> like governors. that's the exception and not the rule. >> we are 1 hyundais fr00 days y

caucus. >> donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. we in formed ben, but he was sleeping. ben carson is super low energy. he is super low. super low energy. >> by the way the new polls showed a tighter race there and just trump trancing everybody else there. he knew that the polls were coming but used it -- >> he made attention for the excepts this florida where had questioned carson's religious. he is a member of the seventh

day adventure church. >> i don't have to say it. can anybody believe it. i am presbyterian. that's down the middle of the road in all fairness. seven day i just don't know about. >> some are saying that they're not christian, are you sending that to the them because ben carson is beating you? >> no, not at all. i think that i am beating ben by that. i don't know about that religion. >> ben carson has asked for an apolo apolo apology. are you going give it? >> well, i did not say anything bad. >> donald sounded calm because

you know why, the more that george kept ongoing and the more that he kept on asking for an apology, donald could hear the numbers going up. he is like what did i say. what? >> if you believe that trump was doing what george is accusing him of doing and sending a dog whistle, he has george doing that on his behalf. >> that's what i am saying. >> and making the point that he has to make and not making it himself. >> yeah, he is sitting there in georgia and saying no, i don't know. he should have said that i did not hear the question. can you repeat that again three times? i don't understand it. i don't understand it. >> meanwhile it was a rocky eke end for the presidential campaign of jeb bush. on friday they said that they're cutting the payroll by 40 percent and down sizing the

miami headquarters. some staffers work withing on a volunteer basis. one fundraiser said that it feels like a death spiral and breaks my heart. i don't know anyone that wants to invest now. >> it may not even -- >> blah blah blah blah. >> you know what they're saying. >> that's my answer. blah blah blah. watch it. president cane was winning and clinton was up against a guy named obama eight years ago. i think that another president was ledding the field and then you look at the race. october is not when you elect people. it's february. >> bush's trouble comes the new

report of his father's frustration with the primary. according to new york sometimes he is baffled by the dominance of donald trump and friends saying he said i am getting old at the same time. the state of the race at a town hall in south carolina. >> people are literally claiming their lives. that's not the motivation and me feeling kcompelled to demon nie

them. >> here is a guy that wants to run our country, and he cannot run his own campaign, so bush has no money and cut him and meeting today with mommy and daddy, and they're working on the campaign. okay. they're working. >> first of all, we have so much of the 15-20 seconds and howard you were stunned by what you heard from jeb bush. >> cannot say that. i don't care who you are. >> mark rubio and jeb bush. >> now, it appears that he might. that's the moment that you will see when there's other things to do. >> no, you don't. >> he and marco was lined up. he has had had enough of this stuff. >> no, no. i just said that i had enough of

this. it's tough stuff and running for president of the united states. let's talk about two things and jeb bush and the response to that. >> yeah, one is that people have to remember at the beginning when he started on this and the journey. he said that he wanted to run joyfully. >> yeah. >> that's just about the least joyful picture and that's the thing in terms of being aenti joyfuljo joyfulful and the extended prize fight with trump now, that's the tko right now when you stand up and say -- it's like if you want that guy, take him. >> i actually think that we have a one two punch there. i thought there was brutal, and i thought that the mommy and

daddy line cut about as close to the bone that you could cut when you have a situation where his biggest knock is. >> yeah, that's what he did. he gave up with that. that's the thing, if you sur come to him, what are you going to do when putin -- >> talking about mommy and daddy. >> yeah, it's one thing. >> you know that just enrages him, and then it alerts voters to the fact that this guy is writing on the coat tails of his family. it's back to back clips. >> i got the sense of the whole family in agony. the voters are saying no. all of the money in the world is not making a difference. this guy and angry guy that's attacking us is winning over

voters. >> we have sort of buried the lead of what came out yesterday because friday there was a poll or two and i predicted and iowa is a case on to itself. >> it is. >> it always has been and ask mike and whomever and all polls show donald trump is trancing. >> in a new online survey trump is tied with carson in iowa. 27 percent to 27 percent. senator ted cruz is in third place at 12. way ahead in new hampshire. the third place finish er is only -- >> i mean you can look at the

numbers. in new hampshire in the cbs poll donald trump 38 percent and carson next at 12. >> online poll. >> then you have jeb bush at eight. >> so let me just show you south carolina the republican pry primary. they're only two candidates and double digit and rub owe one point behind. kristina a lot to talk about her. >> this can cannot be where jeb bush or a number of these other candidates thought that they would be heading into halloween. i think that a lot thought by the time we hit halloween, it's a costume and not the front runner. it's frustrating to look at how he has responded to this that he is not in first place in iowa. he is not acting well. he tweeted something nasty and

then backtracked. you never see him backtracked, and it was an intern that did it. now he is clearly going after carson. donald trump when he is not a winner, that under cuts him. if he is not ahead in iowa and explain what a donald trump looks like when he is losing, that's the next chapter. how does he handle not being the front runner everywhere. >> that's the question. here say guy that quit frankly you can tell that he is new to pol politics. >> yeah, if you're ahead in iowa it's like i hope that they enjoy talking about winning iowa. >> you look at the numbers and in south carolina and it's not just this poll, but trump is in the 40s now.

he is in the 40s in south carolina, nevada, 40s in massachusetts and almost at 50 percent, and i saw a poll this weekend where 70 percent of republicans think -- over 70 percent of republicans think that he is the most likely to win, and let you look at the online polls. the money polls and the bedding and then the republican establishment. there's a massive disconnect wh twheen t between the reality. >> yeah, those are really important. the first thing that we saw was a period of time when everyone said there was a large number of people that said that they would never vote for trump. that's now changed. those numbers flipped around and in a will the of the polls you have voters saying that they believe trump is the likely nominee and in terms of how the psychology works, whether or not you support someone, when you

start to think that person is the likely nominee, it makes you more person to supporting them. it's the predictive thing and that's important and the one thing that i want to add that we should sthnot forget is that th whole bush family is meeting. if there's one room in america that you would want to be right now, it's in that room where 41 and 43 and all of them are gath gathered and the woel thihole t coming apart. >> yeah, together. >> let me ask this. it follows up on donald trump rough jab. if any entire knock for three years going into a race was that i am running on the coat tails of my father that i love dearly and brother, and my campaign was at the low point.

the last place that i would go to be protected as donald said very rough stuff. i would not let anybody go to mommy and daddy. i had to call my mom and say stop calling the local radio shows. they're saying that i am a kid and too young to be in congress. did you want help when you call the radio stations. here you have at jeb's low point, it looks like an act of desperation and feeds into the stereotype. >> well, it's a sign of disconnect. when those two guys are out, it's bush and marco. the other two guys are i can

canning butt all of the time. >> nobody sees that. was there a point in your campaign -- i remember on "meet the press" you were at 23w0 percen two percent. >> yeah. >> where was the point in the string and summer where it was just a massive -- and what the voters thought. >> it's not clear. kind of in august and i think that's what gets the attention in washington is the money. that you were able to do. i think that this whole thing is fascinating. i think that we ought to play

one cautionary though the and you i have been wrong with with trump. iowa does have an affect on what happened. ben carson could win and beat trump. i think that john is absolutely right. the most likely person that you think is going to win, is a big deal. after iowa, it's a big deal. that's going to affect him in the future states. looking at the numbers is fun in october, but cannot -- do not really know what that means until that happens in iowa. biden opens up why he is not running for president. also two others on set from the other side. plus he maybe putin's enemy number one. retired chess champion gary steps out from the exile to take what he calls a slide back into

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rocks and bricks and baseball hammers and many people know the story when i was 14 and tried to stab someone, and fortunately my life has been changed, and i am a very different person now. >> so here is the truth. >> he is not low energy. he is the incredible hulk. >> oh my god. >> no no no. i have plenty of energy. >> you don't me to use irrelevant. that's what he is saying. >> i like that he said hammers. >> he is like rocks, sticks and hammer hammers. >> of course the time that i tried to stab the guy. >> i am sure that it's out of

conte context. we're going to look deeper into that. we will reveal. i am just -- >> seems that he was a hellion. >> i don't know what to say. i am going to move on and vice president biden spoke about the motivation not to run for president. the announcement is a speech in the roaded and a relationship with the front runner as well. >> is it that you think that you could not win, or did not want to win. >> could not win. if i thought that we could have put together the campaign that our supporters deserve and the c contribute ers to do it, i would have done it. >> why did it take thank to figure out? >> it took us that long to decide as a family. dealing with the loss of beau any parent listening that's lost

a child knows that you can't -- it does not follow schedules of primaries and caucuses and the light. everybody grieves at a different pace. >> you did not mention hillary clinton at all, but seemed to be referring to her. i don't think that we should look at republicans to enemies. >> that was not directed to hillary. that was a reference to washington. all of washington. >> she called them enemy in the debate. >> i think she was being more humorous than direct about that. i don't take it that's her view. i do know that's the view of many people. for chamexample when i made the statement it's like why is biden naive?

>> and peggy newman writes two departures and a grilling. joe bidens decision not to run for president made me sad. he has always reminded me of what democrats were like as a kid. they did not spend their time endlessly accusing people of being sexist and they would have thought that impolite. i cannot imagine him needing a imhang consul at that particular time to be himself as if he had a choice. a great line. >> yeah, if had he had a choice. >> yeah. >> he wanted to run. just saying. >> he is what he is. joe biden is what he is. that's why those of us that know him and a will the of people that know him better, love the guy. >> i think that would have been refreshing. the favoritables are high in

most polls that you look at. he is correct that it's a little late in the game to build a campaign operation that withstood "on the recor withstood on slot with the clintons. >> his name would have been drug through the mud and opposition research would have been brought up. it would have been a threat to his legacy. by not running, i share peggy's sadness that he is not in the race. i understand why he does not want to with be on the receiving end of what would get thrown to him on the tour. >> the first part of her quote is very challenging in moving forward and talking about a political biden with was a

democrat and also the type when you took over the part, you said we're not going to give up the 50 states. people are talking about we're going to go and fight in middle america and then build a national party. we don't get them and you succeeded. >> yeah, to a certain extent, we did. we had some great election cycles, and i think that some of this is dressing this up. everybody loves joe biden in the party, and a lot of people love him. the problem was that the clintons were going to beat them up, cannot run a campaign in october and he never got above 20 percent in the polls with 100 % name recognition. he made the right decision. i gave him credit for that. i don't think that it was because he was afraid to get in the rough and tumble of things. he did that before and he knows who he is.

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i am reading this thing about chris christie is kicked off out of the quiet car. everybody is going crazy and the new york orthottimes puts it upe website. then a reporter that was seated in the same car as him. they said that this person said that it was an absolute joke. that was not the case. christy was on the phone, and then he asked the guy is this a quiet car? he said yes. he closes up and people on the train say that he is polite. it's grown up in the massive. >> in fairness the quiet car is a church -- >> highly police chase. >> well, all i am saying is that for those of us -- >> i was not happy.

>> here is a great thing. the woman was -- somebody actually gave her a first class ticket. >> and i sat next to her. good job. >> you can sit up in first class, she was so rude that she decide today go with it. >> she was rude to the person that i was traveling with, and that makes it worse. we had a great time. i curled up a lot of people. >> i don't know what you will of all are doing on amtrak. >> so i was not on the car on this train, but i did run into the governor in the cafe car. he was enjoying the lovely ride and we had a perfectly nice chat. this is one of those things that there's major -- >> urban legend. the whole thing. >> it was blown out of proportion. the spokesperson said that the governor took a seat on amtraks

quit car and seriously after breaking the cardinal rule, the governor broke the rule and noticed the severe nature of the set. >> i don't think that anybody outside of the north corridor care for this. >> quiet car people are not right. >> i used to be a quiet car. >> i am totally a quiet car. >> he turns around and says she is not with me. >> you're allowed to talk, just not a loud voice. >> you're not allowed to use the cell phones. >> i did not realize that that my friends that go home on metro-north and going to connecticut. i will skpaul they will say i can't talk right now. when i am taking the train into the city at random times, i hear everything that's happening from like bridgeport.

>> the swelling will go down. >> what do i do with this. you call in rush hour for people outside and say how is it going. >> i can't talk right now. >> okay. i am going go a protest against the car. >> these are all powerful reasons. >> i cannot believe how mean the woman is. mike, let's talk train. from where i am, you know that you're going to be in the city in an hour. if you do not take the train, it could be two and a half hours. >> that's right. nothing works. >> you read the paper and the guys have the hats. looks like a cool thing to do. i on the other hand am in my sweats and look homeless and people leave me alone. >> i8 would. >> yeah, 18 million people in the metro area that leave me alone. must read pages daily beast and

this is by mike. the true victims of playing war politics. by the time this that they finish the remarks, josh was dead in iraq. they were in iraq because of a deeply flawed and failed strategy set in place 12 years ago. mrs. clinton was in washington testifying and four dead americans because of a deedly flaud american was four years ago. across the weekend both sides involved in the hearing spun the stories and hoping for political advantage. on saturday largely unnoticed master were sergeant josh wheeler's body was return today the united states of america. his home and land of his birth. it's an old story. >> jonathan? >> sergeant wheeler came home largely unnoticed.

one of the things that came largely unnoticed and people need to remember that only about one percent of the american public is involved in the military or has a member of the family that's a member of the military. when you have this disconnect of the people of america and the people that defend america, sergeant wheeler is out there in a raid that he gets killed, and we're going about our daily lives as nothing is happening. you have the spectacle on thursday and 11 hours of nonsense. it does no t get to any real answers or any real questions on what happened in benghazi. >> yeah there's a lot for those that had a chance to go after hillary clinton on the policy of

libya and benghazi. why we did what we did there in the fist place. that lead to all of this, but instead everybody was looking for the smoking gun. >> yeah, there was a little bit of that from the beginning from peter that focused on the policy and trying to frame it as someone that made the decisions for. to follow up on your point, it's not just the american public that's engaged in the military. the lawmakers are not fuelling the consequences of it. if you remember what they were like 20 years ago, it was funded of world war ii and people that had a stake were involved in the national security. that's not really the case anymore. >> it's another example of where you you actually have people that would be punished if they went back home and talked about the policy without laying a glove on hillary clinton. it's so jerry and you get the most extreme on the left and

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i am struck with how relaxed everything appears. it's always been a secular city a mix of muslims and others. while these were the images before the crisis, i did not expect them now in the middle of a brutal war. >> that's a documentary showing the differences of government controlled areas in syria and the rest of the war torn

country. joining us now is frontline correspondent and producer martin smith. >> martin it's surprising the images. i told the story a couple of times on the show i had a friend that worked for the cia and saying we should fly over jordan and dry up to the mosques. he goes they love us there it's an incredible city. i cannot believe it then, and i can though the believe the images that we're seeing here. >> i have covered the middle east and spent a lot of time over there but never had i seen a place like this. ten or 12 minute drive from where the scenes were taken, you have the war. >> is that the center of the city? >> yeah, that area looks

relatively like it's looked. although there's a big in flux coming from internally people and coming from all over the country. you're only 12 minute dloorive m the frontline and then dropping the barrels and then the more tornados a mers are coming into the city. >> yeah, i was going ask why that looks untouched. >> yeah, the last day they throw up three and just outside of my window, he was there. >> this looks an incredible piece of work. i see that the regime has launch aid campaign. a social media campaign called summer in syria. when i read that, it's like springtime in germany. is that -- does that work? does that not see the height of

that. they looked at the situation in the country and people are leaving. the country is hemorrhaging, and they wanted to give people something to do over the summer. they launched the tam pacampaig they ran the festivals and fashion shows and new reports and whatnot. they expected people -- >> an article that i read in the early 1980s and talking of it was the paris of middle east. >> like holiday and held. >> they showed the gutted out buildings but young people living there's a position, and it's a bit tone death. what happened was that they asked people to tweet their experiences and all sorts of people sent in the images of war and said enjoying the view from my balcony and then a totally

bombed out city. >> you spent three weeks there and shooting this, did you get a chance that everything is close to falling apart. all of the scenes that we saw looked very very normal by americans and has people shopping and the stores. did it get a sense that they're close to everything collapsing? >> i did not get the sense of that. being practical has decided to pull back the soldiers and out try to take the places in the northeast and open desert and count erring isis or other rebels that are out there but pull back and defend what he can with the army that he has left. i did not get the sense that he is going down. now of course he has the russians coming in and helping him. they have always been there and now running the direct air strikes. i don't think this he is going anywhere. there's a sense in the white

house that this guy is going to be around fair while, and perhaps we should rethink the demand. the goal is reducing the death and flood. not winning. if you can stabilize the situation, that's a more hue you ma humane way. >> thank you martin. >> thank you. >> coming up to cooling off the washington post robert could jo on the changing relationship of ben carson and trump trump. and we're stunned by the clips of jeb bush that we saw. >> something has happened. >> we will be showing that. >> yeah, something's happened and we will be talking about that on the other side. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you,

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warm up act for katie perry. there's been a lot of talk about breaking the glass ceiling. i want to talk about one that's not broken. i want you to support hillary also. >> well come back to "morning joe." still with us we have john, and new york times nicholas and form former governor of vermont and gop kristina and anderson and joining the conversation the washington post robert costa. a lot to talk about. >> why don't we just throw the scripts out. >> i want to say one thing quickly. the clinton and katy perry thing this weekend was incredible and

included one of the best moments that he said i have one more thing to say. he then went 17 minutes after that. >> i am sure that the crowd absolutely loved it. now you on saturday and it's a rocky week. >> yeah, he is you cutting payroll for the staff by one percent and one told bush and that's a quote, it feels like a death spiral. it breaks my heart, and i don't know anyone that wants to reinvest now. bush was talking about these changes and adjustments that he was making and the money cuts. take a look. >> if this election was about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then i don't want any part of it. i don't want to be elected president to be grid lock and be

dominant that people are in a decline in their life. that's not my motivation. i have aa lot of cool thing toss do other than sit around and being miserable and hearing people demonize me and me do them. elect trump if you want to do that. >> during the break i thought, and i hate to say this but it was you won't have nixon to kick around anymore gentlemen. >> yeah. >> shocking. >> totally stunning. >> i need to ask exactly how low did it go. how has he been demonized? what did i miss? >> he is called low energy. that was the attack. >> the problem is that not what people have said about him, but how he is feeling about the campaign. >> yeah, but do they call him another name. >> yeah, this is a good point.

i hate to say that because of how much respect that i have for jeb bush, but my god. he has not been attacked personally. i mean all of us that have ran for office on any level have been accused of the worsz thit things. it's part of the game. i know that howard, there's so many nasty attacks. we could go back through all of the attacks in the past and that's my point. jeb has not been attacked. he is the worst thing that's been said is that he is a low energy candidate. i hate to say it, but if he cannot handle that, if that's him being demonized, he is in the wrong business. he should go to that really cool stuff.

>> i think that he is reflecting his own, and being asked to respond. you saw in the quote his adviser saying in his ear that the donors want to see you attack back and swing back. >> my point is that the problem is that he has not had any gloves laid on him. not personal attacks. i could show you a thousand that everyone has said. jeb is one thing and low energy and freaking out about that. if you cannot handle donald trump calling you a low energy candidate, how are you going to handle putin? >> think about the things that were said about clin on the as a an candidate and president. think of the things -- >> let's stop right there with bill clinton. bill was kuzed accused by one o most powerful people and

murdering six or seven people in jerry's clinton chronicles. it was repeated by those that worked for jeb bush now and worked for the father and in jeb bush's republican party and et cetera et cetera. let me just say that jeb bush's was accused by a lot of -- by some people in the democratic congressional caucus of running drugs and dumping them in south central la to predict black young men to crack. that was in the main stream of liberal left wing political talk, and was part of this extreme. now let's talk about obama. >> we could do this all day long, and you could go back to the 2000 race where the forces were running and george w bush's

campaign did john mccain kas in ways. this is hard ball, right in. >> yeah. >> and jeb and handle it? >> no. here is donald trump. take a look. >> here say guy that wants to run the country, and he cannot run his own campaign. so bush has no money. he is kucutting. he is meeting today with mommy and daddy. they're working on the campaign. that's serious demonizing. >> nick -- >> he is being very mean. >> help me. >> kristin, this is not hard

ball. it's pockiking and playing. >> it calls to jeb bush if you want the office or not. he told you that he does not really want it. >> that's been the question about beb bush from tjeb bush f beginning. did he really juwant it. >> i have no doubt that jeb bush wants to be president of the united states, but i think that he does not like running approximate for the president of the united states. that's two separate jobs and cereal dpagss. it is not in any race what he hoped to run. it was let's run a positive campaign and make this about the future. i will talk about my record, and it's great. did snot see that he was going to be losing in the polls to someone that regular erie says crazy things on the stump and that jeb bush is struggling to

fight an enemy that most do not understand because he is a great entertain er and tapping into a frustration that a lot of folks did not realize how spread it is. they feel helpless to help him. he is finding out that the match is not lined up the way that he thought about it. >> because he is being called to go to his mommy and daddy. >> i will tell you what's tough. your dad running drugs to addict young black men on crack. that's tough. ful being called low energy, that's a schoolyard taunt. fascinating time saying that bush does not get it and then getting old at the same time. we have to go back and forth on the star wars things.

he was like tom hanks in big. i don't get it. >> yeah. >> they're talking about getting republican voters any minimum. >> that's the problem. that is. that's the problem. the priorities are so different than if i try to analyze it, i am making it up. >> the republicans have lied. >> it's not only that, but the republicans are supporting trump a lot of them are the same that put us in power in 1994. they're conservative, but they're populace too. they're not kay street republicans. they're like me. yes, i like businesses. i am almost -- i don't know where hedge fund ers get a 14 percent rate and others

payi paying 28 percent. if you don't agree with every free trade agreement that the chamber of congress puts on the floor of the house of representatives, then you're a socialist. we don't need to leader saying that you have to support this or you're a communist or else you're a communist. no, we can pick and choose and that's what this establish. does not understand. >> the most interesting thing is in poland this weekend the far rights or the rights swept the elections and they are running on a right wing program and promise to lower the air and it's the dammest thing that you saw zbli think that donald trump

is not -- this is a world turned upside down. it's probably somebody that plays spoons, but weird things are happening out there. donald was so focused on one poll or two out of ohio and new polls from cbs news and ugov. unbelievable numbers. carson has 27 and trump has 27 and cruz is third place with 12 percent and rue owe abio and-

south carolina trump major victory. 40 percent to carson's 23 percent. gain, cruz at eight percent and everybody else in single digit. bob you know this past weekend may have been perhaps the weekend that we're going to look back on as a weekend that this campaign turned on the axis. you look at donald trump talking about mommy and daddy, and we're all stunned by jeb bush and saying i have better things to do than this. what's happening behind the scenes and what can you tell snus. >> well, it's a long strange trip and just two years ago carson moved to west palm beach and they got tot for dinner and never clicked. it felt like a production and

not a great meeting. two years later they're doing the race and trump is skiddish and going at him and talking about the relib john in public. with bush, i have a different take. they say that it was a warning from bush that he would get out of the race. that he wants to be president, but it's a warning that to party that it's late october, and they have to make a decision. >> so the warning is to the party that they need to step up. they need to unify and get behind him or else he will walk? that's good leverage. i am not criticizing jeb if that's the leverage. if it's sort of eric screw you you guys i am out of here and going home, i am with good with that. are you getting reporting and

that's the case. >> bush is fighting a two front battle. if it comes down to them, he wants to beat them at the same time he is trying to say to the party really things seriously are in the third debate now. it's late october, ask this is not so long. the summer is over. long over. >> we're going keep on talk about this, but we have trump trump speaking in new hampshire right now. let's go. >> they want your money, base, country. i mean they want everything. we need the right people. you need someone with the right temperament. they're not going to be dealing. you take low key people. low key people -- bush said i don't like mr. trump's tone. we have people's with who is heads are being chopped off in the middle east, and he is

worried about town. >> we need it over there. it's time. it's time. >> so bush you have seen what's happened. burke is a they did skrup the middle east. when you look at that, the whole thing is a disaster. bush is cutting salaries by 40 and 50 percent. he had one person that worked for him and got paid $1.3 million. i want that job. everybody in the room wants this job. think of it. the persons did not do a good job. he is losing and getting killed. i say if you can can cut 40 to

50 percent if they take it now, they will take it again. so he is meeting with mom and dad. no, it's true. he needs counsel. he was very songly over the weekend he said if this is going to be this nasty, let them have trump. putin is nastier than me. the i highest ratings that i have had for song. tvrs it was a blew out. we were on 60 minutes together, but if he does not like my tone, how is he going to do it in the middle east. you talk about product, and in this case it's all military product. they take the best homv's and

rockets and one bullet is shot in the air, and we run. >> yeah, we dipped in at the right time. those are devastating lines. if this is freaking him out, how is he going to handle pew snin. >> now know what that is? >> what. >> a sign of a shark that sends a bunch of water. that's a chart. >> i was telling charlie that he was being too tough and then had

a chance to beat him in a political battle. he said when it's dying, you put the shovel in. i know that it sounds hash, but that's what he is doing. he knows that ben car cson cann beat him. he knows at this point jeb bush is the only money that's beat him. >> yeah, the thing that he said was that i pay attention to trump's language because it's so important. you're careful what he says. >> by the way before we laugh at this, this is the case. there's a reason -- i hate to go there, but he is doing this to get -- he calls himself soft. he say that is he is the low

key. >> low key. >> you have been predicting that this is what he has been doing all along. now it's low energy and low and soft. >> so the other thing is that he is going back to mom and dad. he needs counsel. >> he needs counsel. >> yeah, just very close to counseling. >> this has everything of of being not emotional and having your act together. it's just -- he really picks his words very carefully. >> why is trump trudonald trump? he knows they want strength. he is. >> i can imagine a nanny show.

if he does that to all of them, it's going to be devastating. >> the thing is that he does not have to do that to all of them. he has to do that to jeb bush. as he says he tells blood in the water cannot talk to voters and say that if you vote for me, i am going home. cannot say that to voters. >> accept the reason that i think that bob is right is because there's a sense of entitlement. >> speaking of. >> that's a delike i am doing you a favor. i am going fest your ball and go home if things do can not get easier for me and people don't stop calling me. >> one more item and three words that are damaging the way that you look at it. he hates it and that's what a

long time friend told washington post ability rubeios attitude of being in the senate. he told the post that he was frustrated. the washington report says that he has the worstest record in this year. he missed 44 percent of votes in april. report. >> i can nel you in the history of politics, when they're running for them in the senate, they miss voting. >> but this many votes? >> this is lower than the other ones. >> a lot of these are not going to pass. >> he said that i am only going to do the boats that are mean g

meaningful. he has a low key segment. >> it's stunning. this is a guy that wants to be president and he cannot handle being in the senate. >> this is an open secret and when he nuanced that he was running for president and not going to seek the seat and ran after paul. the explanation was that he just does not really like it. i think that you were talking about on the show and to a certain extent, it's generational. there's a lot of frustration on those that are around the age in 40 or 30 and close to my age. they show up and peel like therefor at the bottom and

cannot get anything done. that's what you're hearing in the express. >> yeah, it's not a fireworks show. e have been here three days, so pass my bonus. >> yeah, i have been and pass me my three days. john, we have to go break and there's 100 questions for you if you can stick around. >> i have a couple. >> thank you. stale head on "morning joe" he represents 33 percent of the field and former governor governor joins us. plus he is not buying donald trump's foreign policy. in just a moment to talk about syria and the 2016 race.

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why do you so easily go to nazi metaphors? a lot of the times the minute that you talk about them, you talk about the holocaust, people stop listening. >> interestingly enough i have heard from many people in the jewish community including rabbis that said that you're spot on. you're exactly right. i think it's -- some of the people in your business that try to stir things up and try to make this into a big horrible thing if i say something about something that we don't want to become, and we never want to get close to it, then i am comparing it and saying that we're there. that's what they do. of course for people that are

not really thinking deeply that resinates. joining us now. >> and now to lindsey graham. >> yeah, he served the senate for 12 years. do you hate it? >> i love it. >> sis it horrible? >> we're done by 6:00. everybody goes home. the best job that i ever had. the average age is 85, so i feel like a young guy. >> yeah e it's like hard work, isn't it? >> patience is a virtue. >> obama did not get that. >> yeah, young men in a hurry. >> you you serve with both of them. are they not both just alike in that respect? >> well, most people -- >> sure. sure. the senate is a wonderful place. look at joe biden. he made a life out of it.

i enjoyed it. >> i don't get the words. >> let me ask you following upton ben carson interview. have you ever stabbed anybody? >> or yesterday? >> can i give you the take on the race? >> yes. please. >> you have two front runners and the number two went o the soviet union on the honeymoon, and i don't think that he came back. >> physically he did not. >> the leader felt that she was flat broke after her husband was president. then you have the number two guy tried to kill someone at 14 and the number one is high energy and crazy as held. how am i losing to these people? look at donald trump is what i

the campaign? >> you're campaigning with him. >> he changes and says that he would leave them alone and let the russian's deal with them. >> by the way let me read you -- this is a fascinating story. they failed to imply in syria. russian war plans and it's such a rate. nearly one-third attack and half of it is transport and it's grounded. they don't work. >> well, the russian military has been in decline and putin has a pair of twos. we have a full house and the guy playing the hand back baobama i playing it well. to trump him for obama what's

the difference. what's the difference in any of the candidates and obama? >> i want to go back to your analysis senator, and you talk about ben carson and trump. they're the top in every poll. number one and two. in my polls they consume, and i ask you apart of krcriticizing them, what does it say about the party that the guys are the consistent top tier at this point in the late republican contest? >> well, i think that you nailed it. it's so bad that we have to get someone by the process. here is what i think is that it will matter the closer that we get. does it matter if there's an experience to be commander in chief. ben carson said that he would have declared energy of the reactions of 9/11. that's different. i mean bhul horn out here and i

declare energy and that's not what i am looking for. bush got it right and that's a fine man. the foreign policy is hard to follow. >> yeah, let me ask you a question. >> you will be there for a while. >> yeah, i have that and i am very interested in the no fly zone and because i think if i had one that worked, we would maybe be able to help the crisis in europe. how old you construct it? >> you have to get turkey on board. you have to stop the flow of the fight ers. that's where turkey can help us. if you want to shut down the reason that they leave, find a place where nobody can kill them. if you cross the line, you will have to shoot them down.

they don't have an air force, but they will come after the folks. you have to defend it from the ground and the air. >> that's the problem because the american people are gun shy about that. >> i don't think that. >> can you do that with the kurds? >> no, the ppk are different in iraq. you're not going convince them to arm them. they want to separate from turkey. >> now to bob in washington. >> senator graham, what's the took on bush's tone and campaign trail and remarks on donald trump? how do you interpret that? >> it comes across whiny. for all of us if we don't step up the game and start to challenge these guys more

affectively and relate to go the cause donald trump will get killed in an election. hillary clinton will mop up the floor with this guy. >> you know nothing about it and we can write a book about it. >> this is nothing. he has not been touched. >> not at all. >> yet, he is angry in south carolina and talking about t getting out of the race. i was stunned. >> if you want to win the race, we have two problems. hispanics and young woman. donald trump's position is hateful and illogical. there's a reason 75 percent of hispanics days preerisapprove o guy. if you give a darn about

winning, pick someone else. >> you well, now to mark rubio. >> no. >> and ben carson just came out and said -- >> i don't think that you're going to be president of the united states. your pro life? i am pro life. i would tell a woman that they have to carry a baby of a rapest. if you would veto the bill for rape or incest, i appreciate your passion for the pro life issue, but you're outside of the main steam and anybody with that position will get creamed. >> politically disqualify. >> i think that you lose the votes. other than that, things are going great. >> how do you answer the question when someone asks you a week before the election on a

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i spoke to armstrong over the ek woo end and he is the top con -- >> i spoke to lou the campaign manager and trump is ready go go at carson. think that this war is only going to rage. >> what do you hear from the iowa voters on the seventh day? i grew up in a church and pretty well read. this is a faith that escapes me. i have not run into many. what can you tell snus. >> well, many are familiar with carson's faith but the little readings of the bible that has some raising questionings, i don't think that this is a huge factor, but he has put out there and in carson's strongest state, it's an issue. >> thank you bob.

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is former worchess champion. >> yeah, howard and i need to get pictures. >> yeah, i was a high school chess player. >> my dad loves chess. your new book winter is coming is quit an interview and revealing. >> you say that there's less hope today than under the sov y sov yets as bad as that was. >> listen. i remember in the 70s and 80s therefrom some change and i remember the late ages and then in 1990 and 1991, there were bik big expectations and it looked 99 to one that we were half way there. >> what happened? >> read the book. >> what about putin? >> yes, think that there are

many mistakes made inside and outside of russia. there was a huge complacency to the west. he correctly reflected all of us. we won, celebrate and i think that everyone mistakes an anticipating mode in russia and of -- there was a lack of the comprehensive policy by united states and the free world. the big decisions and that harry had was required in offer the road to the future. >> yeah, it was tough for us. i can remember everybody rushing in to take advantage of the private stuff. i don't know what we could have done, but we could have done something differently. >> yeah, in 1995 when the issue

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by the way, carson is super law, i don't understand the whole deal. carson is lower energy than bush. i don't understand what's going on because we're going to talk about the fact that for the first time in a hundred days i had a poll that said i'm m second place in iowa. oh, don't worry, don't worry, only in iowa, the rest we're killing. >> oh, my. good morning, it's monday, october 26th. i think halloween is coming.

>> doesn't seem that happy. >> with have with us john heilemann, former governor of vermont, howard dean and author of "the selfie vote" kristy eddison. >> i think he saved the toughest jabs for jeb bush, he talked about his energy, talked about his mommy and daddy coming to the rescue. >> he sounded angry.

>> he said if you want to elect him, elect him, i've got better things to do. >> and you have marco rubio saying he hates the senate. >> if you're marco rubio -- >> you ran for the senate, you asked people to vote for you and you hate it. >> so you just ran to be president. >> there's a famous parallel here. >> it's the barack obama parallel. >> another man who hated the senate when he arrived. >> his political profile as far as it pertains to running and operating in the state, big fish in a little pond and he gets up to washington and immediately harry reed says to barack obama says you hate this place, why don't you just run for president and get out of here. which is what he said.

>> you're jumping the gun on my newscast. >> it should be fair to both of them. you'd probably pretty much hate the senate, too, if you were there. >> i don't think so. >> you're into t-- you think yod like it? >> what i found in the house and howard found in the governorship, it was an honor. it was the welfare reform, it wasn't all the battles, i still had people coming up to me on planes coming up to me, my dad was about to lose his farm because of this four-year investigation and you pick up the phone and you say you either arrest him or get the hell off his farm.

you get things down. you help people. >> i didn't have to call the irs. >> it doesn't have to be the irs, it could be the v.a. or something else. people respond to you. you pick up the phone and they say, sorry, i'll look into it, i'll look into it and see where the caseworker is on it. >> what is he's been in the senate for five years now? >> yeah, and he's been running for four just like barack obama.

>> the bottom line is it's not about you, marco. >> like being house speaker is now a terrible job. being president is a terrible job. if you're marco rubio, your first big foray into politics is the immigration bill, which has ha tanked. if you're a guy who wants to make a big difference, you're frustrated. >> if you expect to make a big difference the first year that you're there, you're going to be disappointed. that's the biggest challenge for the republican party. be in who wants to do anything seems to want to run for president as soon as they get in there. now they're zipping in, their 12

phones. if they have time to sit down and get work done -- >> like governors? >> like governors. >> two polls show ben carson opening up a big lead over donald trump. the billionaire took the gloves off against the neurosurgeon with this report. >> we have a breaking story. donald trump has fallen to second place behind ben carson. we informed ben but he was sleeping. ben carson is super low energy, right? it's super. he's super low energy. >> by the way, there are new polls out that show he tied the race there but trounced

everybody everywhere else. >> trump on saturday appeared to question carson's religious denomination. carson is a member of the seventh day adventist church. >> look, i don't have to say it. i'm presbyterian. can you believe it? i'm presbyterian. boy, that's down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. i mean, seventh day adventist i just don't know about. >> some conservatives say the seventh day adventists are not christians. >> no, not at all. i just doesn't know about that particular religion. >> ben carson has asked for an apology. >> well, i didn't say anything

bad about it. all i said was i didn't know anything about it. >> do you know why he sounded calm? >> because the more george stephanopoulos kept going, the more he kept asking for an apology, the more donald could hear the numbers kept ticking up. >> if donald trump did something that that he was accused of doing, the more george asked him, the more -- >> that's what i'm saying. that's what i'm saying. >> meanwhile, it was a rocky weekend for the presidential

campaign of jeb bush. his campaign revealed he's cutting its payroll by 40%, slashing its budget and downsizing its headquarters. one anonymous fund-raiser said, "it feels very much like a death spiral." >> you know what they're saying. >> blah, blah, blah, blah. >> you know what they're saying. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, that's my answer. >> i think president giuliani was leading the field for a brief time more or less this same time and so you look at the

race, october is not when you elect people, it's february. >> bush's trouble comes amid new reporting on his father's frustration with the republican primary. former president george h.w. bush has been participating in the regular conference call jeb bush holds for top supporters and according to reports saying he's baffled about the race. >> if this election is how we're going to fight about getting nothing done, then i don't want any part of it. i don't want to see gridlock. that's not what i want to do.

i don't want to sit around listening to people demonize me. i got a lot to do. that's a joke. elect trump if that's what you want. >> here's a guy who wants to run the country, he can't even run his campaign. here's a guy who has no money, he's meeting with mommy and daddy and -- >> you can't do that. >> you basically can't say i got other things i got to do. you're running for president of the united states, you cannot say that, i don't care who they are. >> if he loses, and it appears he might and he's the guy i thought would win easily.

>> you can't say i have better things to do. >> he and marco, sounds like they've given up. it's tough stuff running for president of the united states. >> people have to remember about jeb bush when he started he said he wanted to run joyfully. that is about the least joyful picture. he has not looked particularly joyful flout his campaign but that is the least joyful. if you realize he's been in an extended prize fight with donald trump when you stand up and sap if that's what you want, you want ngin

want, that guy that i've been fighting with, take him. >> we have a one-too punch. i thought that was brutal. and then the mommy/daddy line, that's -- >> if you succumb to donald trump, what are you going to do when vladimir putin is in front of you. >> the thing about mommy and daddy, you know it just enrages him and it also alerts voters to the fact that, hey, wait a second, this guy is riding on the coattails of his entire family. those were to brutal back-to-back -- >> i see the family in agony.

we put all money up, athe voter are saying no, it isn't good enough and the guy attacking us is winning. >> joe biden tries to dispel rumor of why he didn't run against hillary clinton. it's still an uphill climb for martin o'malley. >> now lincoln chafee is out of the race. >> there's no feeling the chafe anymore. >> i invested in all these t-shirts. >> i'm sure you can -- >> what, chafing or badd i investment? >> let's move on, chafing.

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do you think people mistaken your soft spokenness with lack of energy? >> i think so. i have plenty of energy. i am soft spoken. i do have a tendency to be relaxed. i wasn't always like that. there was a time when i was very

volatile but i changed. >> when was that? >> as a teen-ager. i would go after people with rocks and bricks and baseball bats and hammers and of course many people know the story when i was 14 and i tried to stab someone. you know, fortunately my life has been changed and i'm a very different person now. >> so, he's not low energy. >> oh, my god! >> he tried to kill somebody? >> i guarantee in brooklyn, they're going to store all this stuff -- >> no, he was wrong. i once tried to stab a man. >> i have plenty of energy but you don't want to see me use it. >> when he said hammers, rocks

and bricks and hammers. and i'm sure you know i tried to stab a guy. >> i'm sure it's out of context. we'll look deeper into that and review. >> seems like he might have been kind of a hellian as a youth. >> i guess. >> i'm going to move on to the interview last night on 60 minutes. vice president biden spoke about his reasons not to run for president. >> is it that you think you couldn't win or didn't want to run? >> couldn't win. i'll be very blunt, if i thought we could have put together the campaign that our supporters deserved and contributor deserved, i would have gone ahead and done it. >> but why did it take you till tuesday to figure it out? >> because it took that long for to us decide as a family.

look, dealing with the loss of beau, any parent listening who has lost a child, it doesn't follow schedules of caucuses and contributors and the like and grieves at their own pace. >> you didn't reference hillary clinton, you said we shouldn't see republicans as enemies. >> it wasn't talking to hillary. when i made the statement there were two big statements saying why is biden so naive, these people are my enemy, some

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as if he could say who that is. >> i think he knew that being on the receiving end of the clinton treatment, his name would have been drug through the mud. opposition research about his past votes would have been brought up. it would have potentially been a threat to his legacy. i share peggy noonan's sadness he's not in the race but i completely understand why he i don't not want to be on the receiving end of what he would get thrown at him i'm sure. >> and nearly half of democrats doesn't know enough about martin

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field. everybody's dropping like flies. >> how about that, joe. we have firmly secured third place in one week and we're moving up. >> boom! >> so what's it look like? how do you gain traction? >> i think this race has changed in many, many ways. weep had the first debate, we had the j.j. in iowa and in between two candidates dropped out and the differences that i am going to be able to make now between two candidates that have been in washington for about 40 years, neither one of whom have gotten much done and a new generation -- >> there's the dynamics also of having three people up on the stage. you're going to have hillary, bern bernie, yourself. it's kind of hard to ignore you. they got to ask you questions. in the first debate they said 80% of the questions are going to the front-runners, if you have something to say, you

should jump in. but in the next round, there will be three of us on stage. i think the contrasts will be clear. >> you weren't as aggressive in the first couple of debates. don't have you to get tougher and show clear distinctions between hillary clinton and yourself? >> yes. but i didn't get into this race because i dislike or want to attack hillary clinton or bernie sanders. >> if she can't make up her mind or bernie can't make up his mind on guns -- >> that's exactly what i said at the j.j. i did say that a weathervane shifts its position in the wind, leaders do not. i was against the transpacific partnership eight months ago. hillary clinton has change ld her position on virtually of

defining interview in this race except for one, to protect the big banks on wall street and go along with business as usual. i have the independence, the back bone to stand up for what our nation needs. that's what people are going to see now that this is a three-person race. >> is that what separates you between the other two candidates? what do you think the biggest differential is. >> let take the nra, he pushed through a bill that gave immunity to gun -- >> why did he do that? >> i don't know. pat leahy, senator, didn't do that. i don't know. we developed such a broad-based support within the public after that they didn't dare to send to referendum and overturn it.

that's leadership. thomas jefferson once said in matters of fashion one should swim with the tide but on matters of principle, one should stand like a rock. >> but, governor, it not just policy positions. of all the people on the stage in laz marriage equality, you put some skin in the game. gun control, passed and signed legislation. up raised the minimum wage with all these issues where the democratic is, you haven't just talked about it, you've done it. so were why are you in third place and none we were late for

starting our debates. but we're making up for that ground. we had record in the first debate. we can't be satisfied where most of us are working hard are and getting ahead and think that a resort to old names or old ideologies are going to move us forward. i believe this race just given. we have beenin dorzed about. that's what the purpose has to do who emerges and caucus night. >> governor, it seems to me like you've got a difficult situation with the three of you where you have an establishment front-runner, you've got a have.

>> how do you find a way -- when you've got a progressive alternative and main street establishment frun exwhat's the path for the third choice there? >> the path is to talk to our country's future and where you're going. they expect leaders that be p are very clear on their principles. >> let me press you on that for one quick. you are a generation or more young are than bernie sanders, yet bernie sanders has why is that? were are you not making the generational connection? >> we actually are now, now that

roof by the way, i believe they are really checked into this election. i don't believe they've checked out. like on climate change. that connects with young people. young people are hitting the refresh button, i believe, in this election and they are looking for somebody that's actually speaking to their generation, for desire, to the passion, who understand that diversity is our strength and we're all in in together. i'm seeing larger and larger crowds of young people and they want a candidate that will bring us together with a national purpose to make this country a better place and o save plan et. it's an urge entime and they

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>> that's the goal. it's not ben carson. it's to finish off jeb bush and it looks like jeb's kind of willing to let him do it. it was a stunny week in politics. there's going to be a lot more throughout the days. >> we have a debate on wednesday. boom! >> if it's way too early, stick around. "msnbc live" is coming up next. and good morning. right now on msnbc, the race for president is getting more intense by the day. republican donald trump just finishing a town hall meeting in new hampshire and he's on the attack. he's taking on ben carson who is on the hot seat this morning for new