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i'm going to protect the whole country. i went to an ivy league school. i was a very good student. i'm like an intelligent person. i know when to speak and when to be politically correct. it has not been easy for me. my father gave me a small loan of $1 million and i had to pay him back with interest. biden on hillary. the vice president insists he wasn't taking shots at hillary when he said don't treat republicans as enemies. >> was that a reference to a comment she made? >> that was a reference to washington. and democrats on winning. the leaders of the pack competing in iowa, the state that catapulted barack obama to his white house run. >> it's not enough just to rail against the republicans or the billionaires. we actually have to win this election. >> about eight years ago, all of the political experts talked about how another democratic candidate for president just couldn't win.

i think we are going to prove the pundits wrong again. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. new polling this hour shows ben carson now has a double digit lead over donald trump in iowa. trump was on the "today" show in new hampshire going on offense against carson, against jeb bush and hillary clinton. trump was taking no prisoners but still trying to appeal to undecided voters. >> the way i see it is your campaign has gained you a lot of recognition for calling it how it is but it's been based more on talking points than substance. so my question is, do you have a specific plan for how to bring our economy back, or should middle class voters just elect you because your name's trump? >> i think they should because i built a great company. everybody agrees on that. i built a great company.

i employ thousands of people. i have employed tens of thousands of people. and you know, i have done a good job and i have some of the great projects. he knows many of them. i have some of the great projects in the world. and frankly, that is a part of my resume. in all fairness. if i didn't -- if i didn't have this great success, i don't think i would be here right now. i mean, to a certain extent -- i tell people do me a favor, don't worry about it. but the fact is i have carl icahn, i have some of the greatest business people in the world all lined up, they are so anxious. these are very wealthy people. they don't want money. to help us with our trade deals. our trade deals are killing our country. we are losing $400 billion a year with china. >> jump back in. >> do you have a specific plan for how you plan on doing all this? >> i'm telling you i'm going to renegotiate our trade deals, i'm going to bring our jobs back, i'm going to bring our manufacturing back. >> but how? >> i will give you an example. you can't say how. we have to negotiate the trade deals. look, mexico took a ford plant, i have been very tough on ford, you heard me talking about ford.

i heard last night that ford is moving back to the united states. they may not do that deal. i should get credit for that. somebody wrote last night can you imagine what he could do if he was president. ford was going to build this massive plant. i brought it up at so many speeches and frankly, i think i embarrassed them. but ford now is going to build a big massive plant in the united states and everybody, even my harshest critics, gave me credit for that. >> was it mark? >> brian. >> brian brings up an interesting point. it does seem that on a lot of issues, mr. trump, you are asking people to say believe me that i can accomplish these things and fix them because i'm donald trump. >> you know what? i am asking for that. i'm also saying i'm very specific. >> i'm very specific. joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor, founder of the "washington post" fix blog, "usa today" washington bureau chief susan page and nbc's katy tur live in new hampshire. katy, you have been following

him on the campaign and again, this young college student saying give me the specifics and trump saying basically trust me, because my name is trump and i built a great company. >> reporter: you know, his supporters are derided on this when you speak to them. a lot of them say i do trust him implicitly, that he does know who to hire and doesn't need to be an expert in all areas but he will put the right people in position. those tend to skew older, those people who just trust him. the younger people in the crowd do say and do tell me they want more detail, and they are waiting for him to give more detail. some of them say that their vote is dependent on that. others say that even if he doesn't give detail, they are still going to vote for him. just who the donald trump supporter is and how much they are going to support him once the voting season begins, that still remains to be seen. this is a really different and interesting environment for donald trump. it wasn't one of his big raucous rallies that he's used to where hundreds or thousands of people show up. this was a small intimate gathering where voters were really allowed to press him on the issues. remember, we are in new

hampshire where voters expect a lot from their candidates. they go to a number of rallies before they make their decision. they expect to hear policy details. they expect to get information from their candidates. it was interesting to see him interact with the voters in such a small setting. he dodged and weaved the questions he didn't like, almost like a prize fighter in the ring, dodging out of the way of the harder hits. that is what's remarkable about donald trump. behind the scenes i will tell you that it was a much different atmosphere than what it came off on television i was very quiet, very subdued, very controlled. but on camera, he really lights up. you can see his ability to really read a room and to really read a camera in contrast there during this event. new hampshire is becoming increasingly important for donald trump, as we have been talking about. now a third poll showing him behind in iowa which means that new hampshire is going to be more important as he goes along. it will be interesting to see if he focuses more on new hampshire

and less on iowa in the coming weeks. we have about 100 days until iowa caucuses and new hampshire primaries. but historically, as you know, republicans who have won very conservative iowa have not gone on to win more moderate new hampshire. donald trump might be the benefit of that. we'll have to see as time goes on. but again, a very interesting and very different donald trump and different event for him this morning on the "today" show with matt lauer. >> indeed it was. but susan page, there has been fact-checking by katy and others. ford motor company saying there's nothing new in their plans for mexico. so that entirely incorrect. he also, going after ben carson on his religion, denying that he was going after him on his religion, saying seventh day adventist, i don't even know what that is, then just saying i don't know what that is trying to get out from the legitimate criticism that he was slamming ben carson for his religion.

>> i think he was trying to raise questions about seventh day adventists, who are they, what do they believe in. that was clearly directed at evangelical voters in iowa. evangelicals make up 57% of republican caucus goers in iowa. if trump can succeed in raising questions about evangelicals, about what it is that ben carson believes, that could rebound to the benefit of donald trump or mike huckabee or rick santorum or someone else but it can cost ben carson what has been the core of his surge in iowa. >> if anyone were to doubt his conservative credentials for the evangelicals, chris cillizza, let's take a look at ben carson discussing abortion with chuck on "meet the press." >> that means all abortions, illegal, or is there still an exception that you would have? >> i'm a reasonable person and if people can come up with a reasonable explanation of why they would like to kill a baby,

i'll listen. >> life and health of the mother? >> again, that's an extraordinarily rare situation. but if that very rare situation occurred i believe there's room to discuss that. >> rape and incest? >> rape and incest, i would not be in favor of killing a baby because the baby came about in that way. >> and he said he's in favor of overturn roe v wade. bernie sanders rising in iowa and taking a very strong line -- i should say, ben carson. thinking ahead to bernie sanders, who was just on "the view." we will show you a little bit of that. >> look, unlike trump, who doesn't fit sort of the modern candidate that wins iowa on the republican side, ben carson in a lot of ways does. remember the last two winners were mike huckabee in 2008, rick santorum in 2012.

both ran with social conservativism on the front burner. he makes more sense for iowa. trump always seemed like a little bit of a phenomenon. i can see it a little more in new hampshire. there is an element of rebellious outsider. the mccain appeal, to a certain extent of trump up in new hampshire. but iowa always seemed more like a carson or i would keep an eye on ted cruz as well. i still think he has a lot of potential in that state. i don't know that trump was ever going to last in iowa. the one thing i will say, though, we are in a different place now. donald trump has always been able to say the polls have me ahead, i'm winning, and be right. he was always right. but this morning, matt asked him about iowa. he said i think i'm winning iowa. we now have lots of data that suggest he is not in fact winning iowa. what happens to a candidate who is more focused on polling than pollsters or reporters? what happens when your whole argument at least in that state, let's see what happens

elsewhere, is undermined by the actual polls. what do you say, what do you do? >> and exactly that. susan page, let's talk about bernie sanders on "the view" which was a moment. let's play a little bit of it. >> bernie, i have to ask, you know, i'm a huge larry david fan, beyond, and he impersonated you on "snl." a lot of people are claiming they have never seen you and him together in the same room at the same time. so i'm wondering if you can clearly the air for us. are you larry david? are you him? >> really, i have to tell? you realize this will destroy my entire campaign. it's true. i am. i've got to be honest about these things. >> bernie sanders and larry david. >> who knew? huge vote getter. if they're not the same person, maybe they can campaign separately, cover twice the

territory. >> and on a serious point, hillary clinton and today is her birthday, hillary clinton on friday sat down with rachel maddow and she gave an explanation for her husband signing the defense of marriage act which raised a few eyebrows among those of us old enough to remember what happened back in the '90s. this was the sequence and bernie sanders jumping all over it. it was the first time he really went after her. that was first on saturday night in iowa. >> on defense of marriage, i think what my husband believed and there was certainly evidence to support it, is that there was enough political momentum to amend the constitution of the united states of america, and that there had to be some way to stop that, and there wasn't any rational argument because i was in on some of those discussions

on both don't ask, don't tell and on doma where the president, his advisors and occasionally i would chime in and talk about you can't be serious, you can't be serious. but they were, and so in a lot of ways, doma was a line that was drawn that was to prevent going further. >> it was a defensive action? >> it was a defensive action. >> now today, some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. that's not the case. there was a small minority in the house opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters and i am proud that i was one of those members. >> susan and chris, you were both covering at the time. susan, first to you. clearly, when bill clinton for the '96 campaign was triangu

lating and moving to the center, this had nothing to do with defending a constitutional amendment. >> it was politically helpful for him at the time to sign the defense of marriage act. i think bernie sanders is able to make a pretty strong case that on a series of issues, he was in a certain position from the very start. his instincts took him some place. hillary clinton has switched to this position on trade, on the defense of marriage act, on gay marriage, on some other issues. mostly in this campaign. and so bernie sanders in a way can claim a great victory, it seems to me, in providing the impetus for hillary clinton to change to the position that he held from the start. but i did think that was an explanation of why bill clinton signed the defense of marriage act that probably will not stand up to fact-checking. >> susan page and chris cillizza, thank you so much. katy tur in new hampshire. now we have very sad breaking news. the death toll rising, continuing to climb after a 7.5

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i'll be very blunt. if i thought we could have put together the campaign that our supporters deserved and our contributors deserved, i would have gone ahead and done it. >> were you disappointed or were you relieved? >> no, i think i was disappointed. i thought joe would be a great president. >> the bidens with norah o'donnell on "60 minutes" explaining why he decided not to run and how the timing was governed by the emotional roller coaster for his family after his son beau's death. >> at one point, late summer, i

thought well, you know, i think we can do this. don't forget, my little granddaughter, we're down by the swimming pool, mom says time for dinner, everybody, and everybody goes up and she's lying between my legs with her head on my chest and turns around and puts her arms around me, starts sobbing. she says pop, i see daddy all the time. i see daddy all the time. pop, you smell like daddy. you're not going to leave me, are you, pop? >> nbc white house correspondent kristen welker joins me now. we have both been watching this so closely and you more than anyone have been talking to people inside all along, and he also expressed, you know, gentle distress with the way we in the media were all speculating, is he or isn't he, and how that became so difficult for them. >> reporter: it's a really good point. this was such a revealing interview. the vice president saying that he did have all of these external pressures, the media being one of them, really

forcing him to come to a decision and he talked about the fact that when you're grieving, you're just not governed by these time lines. the timelines of a traditional campaign. what we really learned is when he looked at the broader picture, he just didn't see a path to winning the nomination and that is consistent with all of our reporting, that he essentially looked at the numbers, looked at the figures, took stock of secretary hillary clinton and thought that his path to winning was very narrow, if he had entered the race a lot of folks thought he would have had to really go after hillary clinton aggressively. that's not the campaign he wanted to run. interesting to hear him say he wanted to run. ultimately he didn't think he could win given these time constrictions. >> very interesting to hear joe biden say she's disappointed because she thought he would have been the best candidate in general election to keep the obama/biden, if you will, legacy going. so there's clearly an implication about hillary clinton's flaws in their mind and how they were better positioned, that he was better

experienced. i was also very struck by him trying to fix the record at least from his point of view now about what beau wanted. he made it clear that beau and hunter both have been his closest political advisors and long wanted him to run for president, but he's saying there was no deathbed wish. let's watch that. >> beau all along thought that i should run and i could win but there was not what is sort of made out as kind of this hollywood-esque thing that at the last moment, beau grabbed my hand and said dad, you've got to run, like win one for the gipper. wasn't anything like that. >> you could see the picture that the white house has now made available of the president and biden just before they came out into the rose garden. what are you hearing from the white house people? there has to be some relief that the president doesn't have to get caught in the middle between

joe biden and hillary clinton. >> reporter: i think there is, to some extent. we saw that the president was being put in an increasingly awkward position as the vice president got closer to making this decision. there were all sorts of questions being asked of his press secretary during the briefing, for example, even going back to the raid against osama bin laden. but i think what's so revealing about that picture, what we learned from the vice president is that it was president obama's idea apparently, according to the vice president, to stand next to vice president biden and it underscores the fact these two men have a very close relationship and the president's mandate all along to the officials here at the white house was give the vice president the time he needs to make this decision. >> kristen welker, thank you so much. after a break, we'll have the latest, what we're now learning about the tragic accident that left four people dead in oklahoma and what we are learning about the driver.

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the woman who crashed her car into a homecoming crowd at oklahoma state university is going to be arraigned and charged with four counts of second degree murder later this afternoon. four people died, including a 2-year-old boy. 47 people were also injured in the tragedy. six remain hospitalized. three on the critical list. adacia chambers was arrested for driving while under the influence. toxicology tests will not resolve whether that is the case for several days, but on the "today" show her attorney says that mental illness could have been a factor. >> one of the questions i did ask her was had she inquired about whether or not anyone was injured or killed, and she said that she asked, however, that information was not provided to her at the time when she was being interviewed by police. when i in fact informed her that four people had indeed perished, the reaction that i got was one

that again, confirmed what i believed from the very beginning that she was lacking in capacity or was under some other influence, if you will, other than drug or alcohol. >> nbc's sara doff is in stillwater, oklahoma. what do we know about the victims in this tragedy? >> reporter: we are learning a lot more about the victims in this case. i'm going to get to them in a moment. first this arraignment. adacia chambers is going to appear via video in the courtroom in about two hours for her initial arraignment. this will be the first time the community has had the opportunity to hear from the wom woman accused in this terrible accident. her attorneys say her memories of the crash are fragmented, she doesn't remember the immediate impact, only the immediate aftermath. she's being held on a suicide watch.

meanwhile, the community continues to grieve for the four people killed in the accident. you can see this makeshift memorial behind me at the scene of the accident, people stopping by to pay their respects. it includes stuffed animals, candles, a heartwrenching message there. the dead include a university professor and his wife, a master student from mumbai, india and a 2-year-old little boy named nash. his day care posted on facebook saying they are in disbelief they will never get to see his cute little smile or bright red hair ever again. it puts a very human face on a community's collective loss. back to you. >> thank you so much. in british columbia, search efforts today continuing for one passenger still missing after a whale watching boat capsized sunday off the coast of vancouver island. five passengers died, all british nationals. canadian military and a fleet of volunteers rescued 21 survivors from the frigid waters. at least 18 people were sent to the hospital. officials are investigating what

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at his favorite punching bag, jeb bush. a candidate that seems to be collapsing under the weight of big political expectations. former new hampshire governor jon sununu served as chief of staff for president bush. thank you for joining us. >> happy monday. >> happy monday to you. what is happening to jeb bush's campaign? >> well, as you know, i haven't endorsed anybody yet but i think jeb bush is just making a midcourse correction. i think this has been a very different campaign than most people anticipated. primarily because the media has chosen to cover the entertainment side. you like the outrageous statements that come from donald trump. you seem to enjoy the divisive effort he's made to really attack some of the candidates. he's already gone after ben carson for his religion. that seems to be the formula that he has found allows him to

get on just about every show whenever he wants. the other candidates are now finding that in order to fight that, they have to spend more money on television than they anticipated and i think jeb bush is cutting back on personnel to make more money available for tv ads. >> well, fair criticism. i take that as a collective "you" since we haven't been wall-to-wall donald trump. but governor, let me just play for you a little bit of jeb bush in south carolina and tell me if you think this is an effective way to respond to this midcourse correction as pyou put it. >> if this election is about how we are going to fight to get nothing done, then i don't want any part of it. i don't want to be elected president to sit around and see gridlock just become so dominant that people literally are in decline in their lives. that is not my motivation. i got a lot of really cool things that i can do other than sit around being miserable

listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >> is that a great way to explain himself to people? >> no. look, the message was right, the tone was not. sometimes candidates get a little bit tight. look, this is the important message. if republicans go on to nominate someone that can govern the country in a way they want and make the policies they want, they ought to pay attention to the issues. trump is in favor of single payer government-funded health care. that's absolutely something that republicans hate. trump likes eminent domain. most republican candidates can't stand that. they have to start looking at issues so that they don't get frustrated by the results of winning, perhaps, and getting somebody who is just as bad as obama on the issues they care

about. >> george herbert walker bush is reportedly very engaged in this, is ignoring some of his favorite tv shows to stay up and watch the debates. they are having meetings in houston today, bush 43, bush 41, barbara. you know everyone there as well with jeb. we have seen midcourse corrections before. we saw john mccain cut back staff and ended up as the nominee. is it still possible for jeb bush to get his mojo back? >> oh, i think it's possible for any of the serious republican candidates to come in and win this thing. either jeb or kasich or rubio or even christie. but it really depends on the republican electorate waking up to the fact that issues are important. i saw president bush and mrs. bush a week ago in houston. i went to their points of light event. and believe it or not, everybody was really upbeat. there were a lot of funders there that are probably at the

meeting this week. and they were upbeat. so i think the idea that the tone of this meeting is so downbeat is not quite correct. i think it is a midcourse correction and it's the probably appropriate thing to do as the campaign has turned out with a different tone than most people expected. >> do you think trump can win new hampshire? >> i think trump can win anywhere if the electorate doesn't wake up. but it may not be the best thing for the party or the country. >> thank you so much, governor jon sununu, former chief of staff to bush 41. i know you have not endorsed anyone. your son, former senator, is involved with john kasich's campaign. we will be talking to you. we will head to the republican debate and talk to you on the other side. thank you again. >> thanks, andrea. nice being on with you. coming up, the mother of one of the four americans who died in benghazi talks to us about her impression after hillary clinton's important testimony.

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after that marathon benghazi committee hearing, democrats are arguing that the republican-led panel should be disbanded. elijah cummings, the ranking democrat on the committee, explained why to chuck on "meet the press." >> in many instances, we found ourselves having to not defend secretary clinton, but to make sure that the record was complete. when the families came in, many of them with tears in their eyes, they asked us to only do three things. make sure that we made sure that this did not happen again, they wanted us to look for the facts, more facts than we already had, and they asked us for one final thing. they asked us to make sure that we did not turn this into a political football. so all we were trying to do is make sure that we defended the truth.

>> i'm joined by patricia smith, mother of sean smith, one of the four americans who died on that fateful day. mrs. smith, thank you very much for joining us, and i just wanted to express our condolences to you for your terrible loss, and thank you for being willing to share your thoughts about this these years later. first of all, did you watch the hearing? >> i watched every minute. >> interesting. and what was your impression? >> that hillary didn't answer the questions. i'm still waiting, oh, my main -- one of the main questions, if the ambassador cabled that he needed more people, more security, this cable, according to hillary, it did not reach her. who did it reach and what was done? so that my son wouldn't be murdered like he was?

this has never been answered. if this was hillary's department, she should have known what was going on, yet she claims she didn't and my son died along with the ambassador and two other wonderful people. i would like an answer to this. >> and in fact, when did you last speak with your son? >> the night before this happened, he called me and we chatted for a minute. he says he saw people running around there taking pictures and he knew there was something big going to be happening. so the february 17th people were taking pictures, whoever they are, and this is what happened. they were casing the place. >> this was the libyan, the radicals, the militias. >> he told me february 17th. i don't know who they are. >> yeah. that was the name, in fact, of that libyan radical group. tell me, so he had a foreboding.

he was concerned about security. we know there were so many communications, in fact, from the ambassador, and they didn't reach hillary clinton's level. i wanted to play a little bit of the exchange between susan brooks, one of the republican congress members, and clinton from the other day and ask for you to react on the other side. >> we have no record that you had any conversations with the ambassador after you swore him in, and before he died, and you were his boss. >> i was the boss of ambassadors in 270 countries. i am very well aware of the dangers that are faced by our diplomats and our development professionals. there was never a recommendation from chris stevens or anyone else to close benghazi. >> her defense is that diplomats, people like your son,

make terrible sacrifices, your son, the ultimate sacrifice, in defense of diplomacy and american values and that we can't retreat from these front lines. what is your reaction to that? >> i think they should have covered his back. all of those people that were there, every one of them that worked for our government, worked for our government because they wanted to. they wanted to do the right thing and they did what they were supposed to, knowing that our government would have their back. they did not and i'm still waiting for an explanation as to why my son died, the contractors that were there was told that -- they were told to stand down three times. hillary has denied this. i don't know why. she won't give me an explanation. they won't tell me why this happened. but nobody came to help him. and there were people that were available. the guys from the security

department was ready to go. they were told to stand down and they finally went on their own. they said they could have saved the ambassador's life and my son's life if they would have been allowed to go. now, please tell me why weren't they allowed to go? >> i know there's been a lot of dispute about that, but the fact is that the closest military were hours and hours away, and that the command has now been moved a lot closer. that's one of the so-called reforms afterwards. >> it would take nine hours for this thing to be over. during that time, somebody should be able to go there and help. even a drone. and i understand there was a drone. they were watching. what were they watching? if nothing was happening? >> and mrs. smith, before i let you go, i wanted to ask you to share a little bit more about sean smith. we know his military background but tell me more about the man he was. >> he was a guy that just loved

his computer and he loved playing video games, one particular video game, we get on there all the time and play around with it. he was like -- he was like a pixie with a computer. he was a wonderful guy. he loved kids. he loved -- animals liked him. everybody liked him. he did wonderful things on this video game that he played. he was known as a master of some kind which i don't understand. so he was a good guy. they sacrificed him as they sacrificed the ambassador and the two guys that got murdered because nobody sent help. i want to know why. why wasn't there any help? >> patricia smith, i am so sorry for your loss. >> you can't understand. you just can't understand. my only child was murdered and nobody will tell me why.

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the un's world health organization today says your favorite breakfast food could cause cancer. in a long-awaited determination, a w.h.o. group says processed meats, like sausage and bacon, are causing cancer and all red meats are probably causing cancer, too. joining me is dr. natalie azar to sort this out. are we talking about hot dogs,

ham, corned beef? what quantities are we talking about the hot dog i had at the stadium yesterday? >> i know. that's going to be everyone's take-home and everyone is going to be hearing that buzzword, what did i eat last week, is that a problem. so specifically, as you stated, they did categorize processed foods as causing cancer and i should say this iarc, this subgroup or affiliate of the w.h.o. does have certain classification system and designation they will give to certain foods and products in terms of how likely they are to cause cancer. processed foods did get the worst label and worthat include anything, any kind of food that is either salted, smoked or cured to increase its preservability. obviously we know it can also have added preservatives that increase the shelf life. we have been maintaining for a number of years that people should limit their intake of processed foods. this is not new news.

it is simply new that they have now formally declared the foods to be cancer-causing. on a different note, which i think is even more important, people know that but do they know so much about the red meat issue and that is with beef and pork and veal and lamb, for example, we have also had literature over the years that has suggested these foods could also be harmful to our health and therefore, we have recommended limiting them. but i think it's very important to remind people that lean meats are still part of a healthy diet. they contain iron, they contain b-12. i certainly think that our meat industry in this country is going to react not surprisingly that they don't agree with the report on those specific items. >> and basically, what about fish? is that still preferable? what about chicken? >> absolutely. all the things that we always talk about that are incorporated into the mediterranean diet, for example, like fish and poultry

and whole grains and vegetables, still make up the bulk of a normal healthy diet. again, if you have red meat occasionally, that's fine. it should also be part of a healthy lifestyle which includes, you know, controlling for sugar and not, you know, not being obese and being physically active and i should mention that remember, now, the iarc put processed meats up there with smoking. not that the risk is equivalent to smoking but that the certainty that it causes cancer is up there with smoking. so again, it's an independent group, an affiliate of the w.h. o o. they don't necessarily represent the w.h.o. exclusively. nonetheless, headline making for sure today. >> indeed. now on to lunch. thank you very much. that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online on facebook and twitter. thomas roberts joins me with what's coming up next on "msnbc live."

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