post-traumatic stress, but still something we really have to take seriously. >> keir simmons, out of the london bureau, making a quick trip across the pond to washington. thanks so much. >> that does it for us. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. ♪ >> if it's wednesday, it's desperation time for some republican 2016 hopefuls. and tonight's key debate could deliver a rocky mountain high, or a runaway boulder that smashes them flat. this is "mtp daily." we're live from boulder, colorado, and it starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> hello from boulder, it is one of those days in colorado that reminds you why people that live here never leave here. just an hour away from the

four-person undercard debate, and then we have the ten-candidate main event which follows at 8:00 p.m. eastern tonight. on our sister station, cnbc. republican national committee chairman reince priebus will be here. we'll also talk to cory gardner. and what lessons the eventual nominee could learn from his upset win in 2014. all of that coming up on a packed "mtp daily." but first, let's hit a press box filled with presidential debate maneuvering. kasie hunt, katy tur, and hallie jackson joining us. and then we'll go to washington and luke russert who is there, following the paul ryan official nomination. he'll be on track to be the next speaker of the house. but let's start right in colorado with jeb bush. you could argue no one is under more pressure to perform than the former florida governor. polling mostly in single digits

right now, both nationally and in key primary states. that's despite the fact that his campaign and the super pac backing him are spending more on tv than any other republican campaign. he let his frustration show during a weekend campaign event in south carolina. and a big gathering in houston spawned stories about a few anxious donors and a frustrated bush family. by the way, this is bush's first debate since his campaign slashed payroll for some of its staffers. kasie hunt has been following the campaign and joins me now. kasie, we have raised the pressure in the media on jeb bush. but does jeb feel as if the pressure's been raised on him? >> they're putting pressure on themselves, and yes, he absolutely does. i talked to donors and family friends who were at the forum in houston. that was originally conceived as a pep rally. with the way things have been going, it turned into a way to calm people down and soothe them. what came out of that was a lot

more calming than what we were hearing going into it some of the feathers do seem to have been calmed. >> what's the goal tonight? >> he has to show he has some fight in him, the capacity to step up and be the front-runner. people told me he performed in front of that crowd in houston in a way that gave them confidence. >> is it about a fight or about looking presidential? >> i think it's a combination of the two. i think it's looking as though he is the person who can step into this void. the establishment, there's still such a void there. everybody has flaws. these donors can't seem to find a person to bet the farm on. he's got to perform tonight, or they're going to start looking for another horse. >> turning now to donald trump, tonight he faces a new debate dynamic. poll numbers that are falling a

bit. >> in most polls, i'm number one. now, until iowa came along, i said every poll. and then iowa -- what the hell are you people doing to me? please do me a favor, let me win iowa, and then i'm going to win. i'm telling you. >> ben carson leads of course in the latest national poll, in the top spot in, i think we're up to three new iowa polls. lately carson hasn't even been technically campaigning. he's been taking a break of sorts for his book tour. our very own chris jansing caught up with carson moments ago here in boulder. >> you have a reputation for being so cool, calm, and collected. any nerves at all? >> not yet. >> meaning maybe soon? >> maybe if a tiger comes out on the stage, maybe. >> could his name be donald trump? >> i don't think that would be. >> what do you want to accomplish tonight, dr. carson? >> give the american people an opportunity to know more about me and to find out that doctors

actually do know something about economics. >> well, so what is donald trump going to do about ben carson tonight? i'm joined by katy tur. katy, trump seems perplexed and begging iowa to support him. i'll give him this, at least he was joyful about it. >> he was. >> he had a sense of humor. he's acknowledging that he's behind. he was in denial three days ago. >> i'm not sure he's as joyful today. i think there's turmoil behind the scenes about these polls. i think they've really gotten under his skin, much in the way he's been getting under other candidates' skin in the past. how he presents himself on stage will be very interesting. will he be poised, and present himself as the business leader, the man who can fix the economy and create jobs? or will he come out angry and defensive and fighting? i find that if he fights with ben carson, it might get under his skin the way he got under jeb bush's skin. because carson refuses to fight

back. and donald trump doesn't know how to handle that. >> does he understand that he really needs to dominate tonight because of the subject matter? he's said he's mr. businessman, mr. job creator. this debate is the economic debate. >> i think his campaign has told him that, that he really does need to shine tonight. he needs to prove that he is the man for the job. he keeps saying that he's going to be the best negotiator, he's got to get on the stage and show that he has the breadth of knowledge behind him to be that man and to convince voters. i think voters have seen him now so much because he's been on live tv. we've covered him so often. he's heard his stump speech. they want to get details from him. will he do it? remains to be seen. >> our pals over there, they're going to have detailed question. >> this is cnbc. it's not his first rodeo with cnbc. he knows how to works over there. i think it behooves him because he's familiar with the players, he's familiar with how things go with cnbc. but they are going to get detailed and donald trump does

not get sknot details. >> katy, you'll be following that and seeing him in the post debate spin room. now let's turn to marco rubio, a favorite focus right now for establishment types looking for an alternative to maybe carson or trump, as well as for folks in bush world who sound eager to knock him these days. right to rise, the super pac that supports jeb bush, started a new twitter handle today that bashes rubio for missing votes in congress. back home in florida, the editorial board of the sun sentinel, which backed rubio's senate bid in 2010, is calling for him to resign in light of his low attendance record and his complaints about the senate themselves in that washington post article earlier this week. rubio has had solid debate performances so far. but will the rest of the field use this new tact to knock him down a peg or two? hallie jackson has been on the rubio story. so hallie, are the rubio folks ready for this senate hit?

because i think this feels as if it's going to be a bigger part perhaps in this debate than they even thought 48 hours ago. >> i don't think it's going anywhere. not sure team rubio is overly concerned. he's made the point himself when you're running for president, this is what happens. you can't be in the senate for every vote. this is what we've seen in past cycles when sitting senators have run as well. the sun sentinel endorsed other candidates who were senators and were also missing votes. will people care that he's missing veets? >> it's saying what he said, that he was so frustrated with the senate, he's like, i throw up my hands. that's different than missing votes, though. >> but why is that a bad thing for a campaign in a cycle in which outsiders are ruling, in which there's an anti-washington movement happening? for team rubio, this may actually be -- the other way to spin it, as somebody who's not doing his job and that's the

point the sun sentinel was making tonight. >> i think it's something to watch, because i think it's not just jeb that goes after rubio on this. >> watch kasich, yeah. >> trail blazers on the campaign, thank you. turning now to capitol hill where the republicans got their house in order. literally. they finally have a nominee for speaker. somebody we knew was going to be the nominee. couple of hours ago, republicans met behind closed doors to officially choose paul ryan to be their next speaker of the house. ran against daniel webster. ryan was short of the 218 he'll need when the full vote goes forward tomorrow. here's what ryan said after the vote. >> tomorrow, we are turning the page. we are not going to have a house that looked like it looked the last two years. we are going to move forward. we are going to unify. our party has lost its vision, and we are going to replace it with a vision. we believe that the country is

on the wrong track. we think the country's headed in the wrong direction, and we have an obligation here in the people's house to do the people's business. >> let's bring in luke russert. luke, was that speech a rebuke of john boehner? >> yeah, that's what stood out to me, chuck. because the fact that ryan went out of his way to thank boehner a little bit at the beginning and say we're not going to have a repeat of the last two years, we're going to turn the page, it very much was a way for ryan to position himself differently than boehner and sort of an overture, i would say, to the more conservatives in the conference that, look, your voices are going to be heard. i'm going to operate things differently. interestingly enough, while he delivered that message, who was behind him? kevin mccarthy, steve scalise, kathie mcmorris rogers, people who are part of the leadership

with john boehner. so it will be interesting to see what ryan does. i expect you'll see changes within the way the house operates, with their steering committees and what not about who can move more forward in the leadership and who has more say. >> and we should remind folks, paul ryan reluctantly came out for the compromise budget deal earlier this morning. perhaps that's the reason he ended up with 200 and not 218. >> and they're voting on that right now. and he voted for it. 56 republican votes, it should be fine with democratic support now. >> all right, luke russert, keep watching it. thank you, sir. >> john boehner's resignation and the budget deal with democrats are among the signs that perhaps the gop establishment has decided it's time to stand up to its conservative tea party wing. the non-tea party wing of the party teamed up with democrats to force a vote on the export/import ban. and tonight's debate comes as establishment candidates seem to

be venting their frustration at their conservative wing like never before. jeb bush on saturday saying this. >> if this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then i don't want any part of it. i got a lot of really cool things that i could do other than sit around, being miserable, listening to people demonize me, and me feeling compelled to demonize them. that is a joke. elect trump if you want that. >> then came john kasich's debate send-off yesterday. when he issued a candidate by candidate takedown, without naming names, in an exasperated rant. >> do you know how crazy this election is? let me tell you something. i've about had it with these people. what has happened to our party? what has happened to the conservative movement? i want you to know i'm fed up. >> joining me now in boulder is the chairman of the republican national committee reince

prieb priebus. welcome to boulder. >> happy to be here, thanks for having me. >> i look at what's going on inside the party and i ask you, is this a friendly family fight, which i'm sure is what you want it to be. this feels a little bit like a civil war inside the party. >> i don't know about that. >> what do you say to it? >> i think if you look at the last couple debates, i think you see some jabs here and there, but you don't see any sucker punches and things like that. >> forget the debates, but throw it all together, what happened in the house, there seems to be a real split in the party. >> i don't know about that, i think paul ryan has an opportunity to be the unifying figure. i certainly agree there was a split that was forming and one of the reasons paul ryan stepped up and said, if i can unify this party in the house, i will. >> this is to prevent a civil war in your mind? >> right. and congressman jordan said this afternoon, we gave the votes to webster today just because we gave him our word but we'll be with paul ryan tomorrow. but having jordan, mulvaney, the

freedom caucus, paul ryan, saying, we're going to do things differently. just knowing paul, he's a builder. he's not interested in dividing and cutting people up. he won't do it. >> tonight's debate, there's the sense that it's split into two. you have the outsiders, and you have the insiders. by its nature, that's not a healthy debate short-term. what do you do to heal the party once this is over? >> well, for one thing, you're going to have a lot of time between the time you have a nominee and the convention. at least that's the -- >> you still believe that? you're hanging your hat on this? >> i do. >> that this thing is over in march? >> by the end of march or beginning of april is what i've said. but if you look at the distribution of delegates, you have 20% thresholds in a lot of states, where this is not the case, where if you get 5% in oklahoma and 5% in texas, you're getting 5% of the deldelegates.

you're not. i know i'm getting in the weeds, but this is no different than a lot of other years where we have an insurgency in the party. even pat bucannon won in 1992 against a sitting president. >> but you didn't win and the image of the party took a hit with swing voters. >> you know, i think it depends on the nominee. i think -- look, mitt romney would admit that he said some things himself that came back to haunt him. but he wasn't haunted by the words of someone else. it was mitt romney's mouth that was being tested in the general election. >> let me ask you very quickly about obviously the people in the undercard debate believe they want to be in the upper tier. some in the upper tier believe there's too many candidates. is it time to start winnowing the field or not yet? >> i think we'll know it when it happens. we got to work with the networks

on this. it's their call. obviously we talked to them about it. so i'm not going to say we don't. but they decide in the end. i think there's going to be some attrition naturally. if you look at the hard dollars. >> in the next five, six weeks? >> i would say it's likely. but i don't get to obviously make the call. >> all right, reince priebus, i'll leave it there. the next time we want to see victory in colorado has to do with green bay. >> you bet. coming up, boulder is unfamiliar territory for republicans. we'll look at how the colorado town became the hot spot for tonight's debate. and later, colorado senator cory gardner will join me. he's somebody that will be on a short list for vp regardless of who the nominee is. we'll be right back. surprise!!!!! we heard you got a job as a developer! its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines

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a packed gop field will take the stage here in boulder tonight. the undercard debate begins in 40 minutes and they do so in unfamiliar territory. in boulder, registered democrats outnumber republicans 5-1. it's a place where president obama took 2/3 of the vote in 2012. a place that has just a single republican on its city council.

the last time boulder voted for a republican, ronald reagan was ushered into his second territorial arterm in office. and there's a scarcity of tickets for tonight's debates. >> it's a disappointment to me personally that when there are young people actively seeking engagement and rallying together with over 1100 folks to come to this event today, saying, we want to bed included, we want our voices to be heard, and we want to be engaged in the political process equally as to every other american citizen, that the rnc is not really responding to that in a way that's meaningful. >> joining us for more on this, kusi political reporter brandon and nbc's senior political editor mark murray. thank you both. brandon, you guys have been covering this story and it's a bit awkward for us, it's in the nbc family, because i think there's finger pointing

everywhere about the ticket allocation. bottom line, only 150 students at the largest university in the state get an opportunity to go to the debate tonight. >> that is the reality. the other reality is, though, it's a television show. as you know. and that's primarily what the organizers are concerned about. certainly there are those who would like to see more students allowed inside. but at the end of the day, they've got to do that, they got to make a television show go off without a hitch. there's a viewing party on campus for a thousand people. but certainly there's been an outpouring. >> and the allocation was going to be 50, but was upped to 150 after his protest. >> certainly there was a vocal outcry for more seats and they got them. >> two things, march 1st is going to be the colorado caucuses, we'll get into the quirkyness of the republican side in a minute, but mark, this is also probably one of the three most important swing

states in the country. tonight, when they talk about immigration, what does that mean for colorado? >> it means republicans need to be able to put colorado and perform a lot better. they got a good break in 2014 when kor cory gardner won. but the republicans have pretty much been shut out in state-wide races. when democrats are basically winning and putting colorado on the map, 2008, 2012, it puts the republican party on the defensive. for us to see the health of the republican party, all of a sudden when republicans have taken colorado off the map and are playing places like pennsylvania, you see the political pendulum shift. >> i'm curious here. gun control has become a big issue in the democratic primary fight. colorado is a state where democrats have been hesitant about dealing with the gun issue. >> it passed some --

>> and then it got recalled. is that something democrats have to be careful of? >> no doubt it's a liability for democrats in some parts of the state. and one of the recalls you mentioned was in pueblo. a democratic area, but blue collar -- >> pro-gun, economic, liberal populist area. >> absolutely. do i know that rises to the top of mind for democrats all over the state? i don't think so. but it would cause issues in some parts of colorado. >> colorado is a caucus state march 1st. democratic side, these caucuses, bernie sanders, can he play the role of barack obama in these things? >> that's the goal. the question is, is bernie sanders barack obama? does he have the organization? and we'll get our first state in iowa. and colorado is still a couple of months after that. but if hillary clinton has a better organization in iowa, all of a sudden we've seen a lot of state senators and reps who are now backing her. to me, it was a very big sign on

her organization. someone like sherry brown on the progressive side, endorsing her. >> brandon, the republicans are not going to vote for president on march 1st, the first super tuesday. >> we're fifth in the nation and they decided not to have a straw poll. they had a straw poll before. they'll meet to pick delegates to go do the convention and they're allowed to bind themselves if they want, but what we won't have is any kind of result. >> so march 1st -- >> in churches and schools all across the state and we will report no results. that's what's going to happen. >> of all the gin joints and all the states, it's beyond me. but we could get into the mess that's been the state party before. gotta run. good to see you. mark, we got work to do. >> looking forward to it. up next, economic issues will take center stage tonight. the center for a responsible

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little breaking news, that budget compromise that speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell struck with president obama and the white house has officially passed the house, 266 votes. we know, we're pretty sure it was a majority of democrats there. we'll get more word on that as we get that data in. but it's passed the house, which means it will pass the senate and it's a nice segue for our next segment. this republican debate is going to be about front and center issues like the economy and the budget. it's billed as a your money, your vote. and it's supposed to hit every presidential candidate and their tax plans and their economic plans, and what they're going to say. i think we'll see more detail than we ever had. so we'll see tonight after the candidates take the stage, after

the federal reserve voted to leave interest rates at zero for a seventh year. so, normally policy takes a back seat on the trail, but it's safe to say it's supposed to be front and center tonight and i know our next guests are hoping it's front and center. joining me now, the president of the center for responsible federal budget and former wyoming senator who just yesterday officially endorsed jeb bush. welcome to you both. quickly in the news, you didn't support this house/white house compromise. we don't get compromises very often, and two year certain eight to budget deals. >> when we do get compromise, it's usually bipartisan, because they're adding to the debt. that's what they did again. they had to increase the debt ceiling. messing around with that has been damaging, costly and cannot happen. but they also replaced a portion of the sequester which we should

replace, because it's not smart policy. but half of what they replaced it with was budget gimmicks and more spending, instead of replacing bad policies with better policies and that's a real lost opportunity. >> senator, part of me just wants to turn it over to you to rant a little bit. but it's been funny to watch speaker boehner and president obama brag about deficit reduction over the last three years, because what did it is what neither one of them wanted. spending cuts and tax increases. is this a reminder that really the only way we tackle the debt and deficit spending cuts and probably some tax increases? >> there's no other way to do it. but you can do a lot when you dig in to the tax code. when we got into that baby and found over 180 tax expenditures which cost 100 billion bucks, and that was exactly the amount of money that came into the treasury in 2010 when we were

doing our work. one trillion, one hundred billion bucks. the thing on automatic pilot is health care and social security. they're not dealing with -- with all this grand bargaining, they're not getting to the real nub, which is health care, and social security reform. so it's a myth. >> i am curious, though, can you actually -- is there any way one party can deal with entitlements? or you almost have to have the divided government if you're ever going to have a conversation about social security? >> no, it has to be the grand bargain. it has to be the bipartisan bargain. because all of this stuff, whether it's entitlement reform or raising revenues, which i completely agree, both of them have to be part of getting this fixed. all of them are so easy to run political ads against. and unless we have members

telling the truth, which is, we have to do both of these, we cannot delay on fixing social security. it's only going to make it worse for the people who depend on the program. unless we have republicans and democrats acknowledging that, saying they'll work together, whoever does a deal on their own gets held responsible and probably gets pushed out of office, they'll lose and the lesson will be, we have to hold hands, jump off the cliff together. compromise is what's going to make this work. >> i think some republicans are going to regret eye think president obama was willing to mess around with social security. and they never called his bluff. >> he was, because he talked about cpi, which is what we talked about. he talked about it, we talked about it, the aarp and others tore him to shreds. >> why did you endorse jeb bush over the rest of this field? >> because i'm tired of guys who

are part-time guys who run for president and after three years here, or four years there, have become wizards. i don't care what party. i'll take a guy that's done the work for eight years in a tough state where he really did honest things to make a government work. the optic, you may not like him, i don't care what you think about him. but he's the only guy in the passa seeia of guys who has done something for eight years that worked. why not pick a guy like that? >> mr. pragmatic, i think jeb would like you have you on the stump a lot more. >> i've stumped a lot of people. i've got him on the witness protection. >> always good to have you both here. still ahead, colorado senator cory gardner on the critical role his state will play in 2016. but first, kate rogers have the cnbc market wrap. >> thanks, chuck.

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colorado senator cory gardner is known as the kind of mainstream conservative who can win in a swing state. he's best known most recently for edging out democrat mark udall in last year's very expensive senate race. a big win for the gop. but did he enact a bloodless coup in the primary?

gardner persuaded three rivals to drop out, running unopposed and avoiding the blood letting we're seeing in the gop presidential race. it's a strategy some republican candidates would love to consider, but it doesn't always work. how important was it for you to avoid a primary and the type of internal family fights that you have in a primary? >> we fully anticipated a primary. when i had made the decision to run, we expected to have a primary and we did have a primary. and we felt that we could win. but obviously when you can have a team that's pulling together, instead of pulling away from each other, it does certainly bode well for november. >> how concerned are you right now as a republican watching this presidential race, where this is the week it feels like it's getting personal. all the candidates are feeling the frustration, desperate, whatever you want to call it, but it's getting personal. it's not good for the overall brand. >> but if you look what happened, 25 million people watched the first republican debate. you have a dozen candidates who

want to achieve the highest office in the united states. all with ideas of how to make this country a better place to live. so i think it's actually a sign of strength. it's a sign that we do have a big tent. it's a sign of the diversity of our party that we can have so many views. are they going to attack each other? yeah. is that good? not if it gets too far. >> can you have a big tent if everybody's punching each other in the face? >> i think that's the strength of the republican party that you can have internal discussions and fights if you want to call them that, and survive to the point where we have a nominee going forward to ultimately win the white house. look at colorado, for example, talking about who can win this state, there are great opportunities in colorado for a republican nominee. somebody who's on the stage tonight. >> but can you win the state of colorado with the rhetoric that donald trump has said about hispanics? >> if you look at trump's language, he's got to focus on, as all the candidates do, a language that talks about the

point of respect, the value of immigration, and i think that's the kind of candidate that can win. if the candidates embrace that, which many have already, then you'll see a successful opportunity. >> is, though, if you were to look at the republican's chance of winning colorado, if they fix colorado, it will fix its problems in a lot of states. but immigration, is that the hurdle? >> there's a number of hurdles. it's not just immigration. when we reached out to the latino community in colorado, we didn't just talk about immigration. we talked about education, we talked about the economy. we talked about values that we share, entrepreneurship, innovati innovation. and no child should be stuck in a failing school system. and we talked about the need to find a solution for immigration. there is no one right way or one only way to have immigration reform. you don't have to just agree with the president or simply agree to the senate bill. but you do have to recognize as every american does, that we have a broken immigration

system. when we talk about a plan respectfully, talk about addressing it, we can win. >> doesn't seem like if somebody uses the a word, then you can have a conversation. >> in the four years i was in the house, we held over a hundred town meetings and talked about immigration reform. i would have the activists in the room. when i talked about starting with border security, and a meaningful program, talking about e-verify system, talking about the other elements of what it would look like, everybody in the room, including the anti-immigration reform were shaking their head yes, we should do that. >> but that argument gets lost? >> we got to continue the fight. >> a lot of the candidates are going to come out against a deal that your leader in the senate, and the house leader, outgoing leader, speaker boehner, two republicans cut with the white house. a, what do you think of this?

>> we're still trying to figure out what some of the pay-fors mean, and the cuts in the future. i have a proposal that talks about reducing the regulatory burden on the economy. the only way to get out of the deficit debt spiral that we're in is to grow the economy. if we reduce the regular tore burden couple it with meaningful reforms, we can do that. >> doesn't sound like you're for the deal? >> i want to understand what it does. i think there are lot of people in the same shoes i am. what does it mean, how does it get us to where we should be and are we meeting the obligations we ran on? >> we'll have one candidate who wants to filibust er, would you support those efforts? >> again, i don't know what he's going to do. i'd like to see the policies that i put forward go forward,

so we'll see what happens. >> got to leave it there. >> thank you very much. >> will tonight decide who you're going to support in the presidential? >> this will be a big part of it. i hope they talk about some western issues, but it's great to have everybody in colorado a state that believes the better days are ahead of us and which believes in the rocky mountain optimism which has made us so great. >> all right, we'll be watching. and before we go to break, want to update you on the developing story. we're awaiting new pictures of that u.s. military aerostat. that's the blimp-like aircraft that came loose in maryland earlier today and made its way to pennsylvania, hitting power lines along the way. norad reports the blimp landed in montour county, pennsylvania, the tail section broke off and fell to the ground. no injuries were reported. the rest of the blimp deflated and settled to the ground. as soon as we get you pictures, we'll bring them to you right here on msnbc.

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and we're back with more mtp daily live. time for the lid minutes from the debate. executive director of american principles project and former michigan senior adviser for correct the record, a superpack supporting hillary clinton's presidential bid. what are you watching for? >> i'm watching to see how does ben carson hold up. he is front and center. he is standing next to donald trump. how are they going to interact? how is he going to respond to detailed questions about the economy? >> there was big protests led by former bush administration officials. when it came to the issue of

immigration and the rhetoric going on inside this republican party you have been outspoken. >> if donald trump is the gop nominee we are not going to support him. we don't believe he will have the support of latino voters. if he is the gop candidate republicans will lose the white house. we have been criticizing democrats and hillary clinton about generalizing republicans saying they are all like donald trump. we issued a warning to some other candidates saying if you embrace trump, if you embrace some of his policies we are going to call you out. we are giving them a chance. we'll see what happens in the next few weeks and months. there are candidates like jeb bush and marco rubio that are very good on immigration. >> let's find out from a clinton supporter.

i look at just that issue alone and onpaper jeb bush and marco rubio could have a conversation with hispanic voters that many other candidates cannot have. >> when it comes to a path to citizenship and focusing on issues i think latino voters care about i went back and looked at this whole issue of who has created the most jobs since jfk, 1961, 56 years. democrats have controlled the white house for one year less than republicans. there have been 89 million jobs created. if you look at that time you think the republicans would have created more jobs because they created that brand. 57 million were created under democrats and 32 under republicans. >> i appreciate the try, wishful thinking. >> look at latino's households.

medium income has gone down for every group. the past eight years median household income for latinoes has gone down $10,000 a year. thereat is incredible under this administration. more democratic policies -- >> in all fairness, this is to me the heart of this debate between both parties. who will have the credibility with a middle class who feels as if wages have stagnated. alphonso makes a fair argument about this administration. look what was recovered. this to me is the essential economic argument. >> there is a churning in the economy and you have to talk about net job creation. you can talk about job creation but there is also job losses. the growing income disparity is really a critical issue for democracy for this country. that is the test that these candidates ought to be held to. they need to answer questions about who is going to deal with

the middle class that does have stagnating wages. >> they are not happy with either party. >> when you have one party opposing things like raising minimum wage and making sure there are parental leave policies or investing in work force training. that party will not be putting solutions. i'm interested to see the solutions. today hillary clinton was talking about small businesses and small business creation. gl the problem is the middle class doesn't want to see government benefits. republicans want to show we can create jobs. they have to show that their policies help the middle class. >> trickle down economics and taxes that raise wages on the lower and cut on the higher -- >> we can't have an economy that grows at over 4%. we can create better paying jobs

for americans. >> i'm going to get a question for all of you. andrea, after ben carson, next story you are watching? >> donald trump. his whole campaign has been i'm the winner, huge, leading in the polls. how does he handle being second place and jeb bush. >> obviously. >> it's a survival issue. >> if you hear hillary clinton's name a lot tonight do you take that as a good thing? if you don't do you take it as a good thing? >> i am certain that -- there are bingo cards being created all over america. i'm sure she will be spoken about a lot. >> an asset? >> that means they are threatened by her. >> besides immigration issue what is of concern to you tonight? >> i go back to jobs. if you look at every single poll of american voters the number one issue is jobs. this is the challenge.

if you are going to talk about lowering corporate taxes you have to say how that leads to increased wages for american workers. >> you have identified an issue that both parties have struggled with. >> great to be here. >> we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. a lot of debate wrapup. steve kornacki picks up our coverage right now. right now on msnbc, debate night. ben carson takes the stage as the new front runner in at least one poll and it's make or break time for many of the other candidates. a guilty plea from former house speaker dennis haster leaves more questions than answers. why did he withdraw more than a million dollars in cash and who did it go to and why? >> a sheriff's deputy caught on camera body slamming a stupidity in class is fired