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reviving its push to repeal obamacare? we'll talk to hhs secretary silvia burwell, all that plus our must see interview with one of america's great he linlgious leaders, bishop t.j. jakes. >> i'm dealing with the most part right here and now, what is your destination in life on this side? >> from rockefeller center in new york city, this is "politics nation" with al sharpton. >> good morning. the gop is in revolt. later today key players from the republican campaigns are meeting to talk about the ways to fix what they consider a broken debate process, and on friday, the rnc suspended a debate early

next year sponsored by nbc and telemundo. it's all part of the fallout from last week's controversial gop debate, held by cnbc. the candidate most in trouble after that debate? jeb bush. an nbc news poll conducted by survey monkey showed 38% of republicans think bush did the worst job. but bush says he'll do better. >> a conference call you said you're going to get better at this. what are you going to do? >> we'll have eight more debates. ily avery to do what other candidates do, rudely interrupt, not answer the questions that are asked and hopefully the debate moderators will ask more substantive questions as well. it's going fine. >> are you having any fun? >> oh, yes, you saw it. having lots of fun. >> bush has shaken up some of

his staff, and is now taking aim at marco rubio. leaked bush campaign memo includes the claim that "those who have looked into marco's background have been concerned with what they have found." one man who's not surprised is donald trump. >> and remember what i said about rubio. okay? everyone said oh no you're wrong mr. trump. i get no credit for this stuff. i said they don't like each other. last night, the heat came out. and i even said, i don't know, i told you, i announced that last -- i told you. lot of anger there, a lot of hatred. lot of hatred between those two. >> joining me now is our panel. msnbc political analyst jonathan alter, president of voto latino,

maria teresa kumar, and amy holmes of "the blaze." thank you all for being here. >> thank you, reverend. >> amy, gop campaigns in revolt against the media debate structure, meeting later tonight. what gives here? >> what gives are a series of questions that the republican candidates didn't like, including the opening question asking donald trump if he is running a comic book campaign, sort of the when did you stop beating your wife type of questions and i also think as nbc has been reporting that some of the candidates who are not doing very well in the debates certainly have a motivation to have fewer of them. you just ran that clip of jeb bush being asked if he's having any fun with his tight grin, yes, i'm having fun. i think it's been a very grim affair for mr. bush. >> jonathan, do you get the right to really say what kind of questions you want? i mean, i ran for president. they asked tough questions of all of us, and some that we

considered frivolous. do you run into the danger of being able to kind of censor in some view what can and cannot be considered debate moderate proper questions? >> sure. today ted cruz said he wants to debate where the moderators are sean hannity, rush limbaugh and mark levin. >> oh an objective crew. >> you'll get a different debate. you can go that's bad for the country because they won't get any tough questions. it's really bad for the republican party because if they have a kind of closed party where they're just talking to each other, instead of losing five of the last six presidential elections in the popular vote, they'll lose nine out of ten presidential elections. they can't just be talking to each other. they have to go out there, and engage with the larger electorate and also, if they just get their own jokers asking questions they won't be able to

play off the press. right now they're scoring points against the press. >> you're absolutely right. it's not like cnbc is not part of the concern in many ways they cater to business so these are individuals that are republican leaning for the most part, tuning in as well and the moderators for the most part come from an outfit of the business segment. it's not like they went in -- >> but trump is saying during the debate that one of the moderators had supported his economic policy, so what are you saying on one hand you're quoting one of the moderators saying he's supporting what you're saying. on the other hand, you're going to slap on the wrist those that may have asked you something that you didn't think were it shall it >> going into the debate, conservatives were criticizing the mod rah raters, john harwood leading the pack and what appeared to be pro-hillary clinton tweeting and reporting. this was already something conservatives were concerned about in terms of the debate and i actually would agree with ted cruz not necessarily with his line-up of moderators, but there

is so much diversity of opinion on the right that if you had conservative moderators who understand where the fracture lines are, where the debates you could have a much more illuminating discussion. >> but talking about diversity, let's not talk about the fact that people of color have not moderated these debates. but jonathan, let me ask you this. is jeb bush really in trouble? >> yes. he's in deep trouble. >> how deep? >> very deep. he's indicated that he's not dropping out any time soon, but -- >> he says he has the most money, best organization. >> sure, john connolly had a lot of money in 1980, he got one delegate. phil graham -- >> who? >> that's right. who was in the car with jfk in dallas. another guy phil graham raised the most money of anybody in i believe it was the '92 campaign,

and he said money is the mother's milk of politics, the person with the most money wins. that is true often in senate and gubernatorial races but not for president. momentum is more important. >> not even there. ask meg whitman. >> you're the conservative here. can jeb bush hang on and come back. >> he can hang on, whether or not he comes back with the big question for his campaign and not because he doesn't do withal in these debates. he may not be the man for the time that if you look at the candidates who are doing well, they are outsiders. what is jeb bush's last name? that was always going to be a problem. >> maria, let me ask you this, looking at the bigger picture as jonathan said, what does it do when they say they're not going to do telemundo's debate, which is the latino network, and they're already having serious problems with latino voters. >> it goes back to what jonathan was saying. they are closing in the tent and

talking to themselves. they can't get to the white house. the fact this they had already basically said we're not going to do univision. univision is not on the table. this was their opportunity to talk to the broader audience and they have a lot of explaining to do right now to the latino community and i think this was an opportunity and instead of embracing it they'll double down saying we don't need to talk to you? we sort of have to. >> how do you deal with voters, you have this perception of whether one accepts that it's justified or not, that you have taken positions against the interests of the latino community, and have some of your leading candidates being perceived as anti-latino. >> it's the language, not anti-. when you have folks saying mexicans are rapists, so on and so forth. >> one particular candidate, donald trump. and chris christie he's put out hey look he has been supported by latino voters in new jersey,

much higher percentages than the other candidates on the stage so i don't think it's fair to use this broad brush. i agree that it is a missed opportunity for these candidates to speak to the latino voting community and there might be candidates on the stage who agree with you as well. marco rubio, ted cruz, jeb bush, who all tried to do outreach to this constituency. >> i think it puts it at a difficult spot for the rnc because the rnc inked a deal with donald trump saying -- >> who is not invited to tonight's meeting, the rnc. >> right. so basically the fact by them inking a deal with donald trump when he was saying mexican every single american latino knew he was talking about us clearly. they inked the deal and said we're not going to talk to your audience that makes it difficult for them. >> jonathan, you've covered a lot of presidential campaigns and seen people unlikely people rise, likely people rise. is it in your opinion really

some evidence of truth in that we're seeing marco rubio begin to rise? that was the takeaway a lot of commentators and journalists had. >> yes and you see a lot of money and establishment support that is moving to him and you could say it's bad for the establishment, but he also represents the future. he's young. you could argue that bush's real problem is not that he's a bad debater. it's that he's a candidate of the past, and these presidential elections are often about the future. people don't care that much about experience. they elected barack obama with very little experience. bill clinton was a governor of arkansas. people didn't care. >> the leading candidate ben carson has never held office. >> on the democratic side you have hillary clinton, and you have bernie sanders, both with a lot of experience. so you can't say that's the rule. awhen you say establishment they are running for president of the united states. you can't get more established

than that. >> you know this better than anybody having been in the show, there are no rules. these rules are all made to be broken which is part what have makes it really fun to watch, but there are certain kind of mathematical issues that the republicans are up against now, and one of them that i think is very clear, and i'd be interested in maria's thoughtsen on this, if they can't get at least 40% of the latino vote, they will not retake the white house, and so the question is, if they nominate rubio, does he have enough appeal among mexican americans and other latinos beyond cuban-americans to get up over that 40% threshold. >> does he? >> when you look at florida he had 48% of the cuban vote and less than 38% of the latino vote because he flip-flops. he says one day i don't believe in speaking spanish and when his polls are down he starts to run psas and campaign ads in

spanish. >> at 40% i say it's a little bit high. >> back to when we say the republicans have all their top candidates are outside candidates. this is what they built. when you have a media outlet and you have folks saying you can't trust the outside, i mean sorry, you can't trust washington, you can't trust politicians and piping it in for 15 years their base starts believing that and who do they start electing? they start identifying with the carson, the trump and a fiorina. >> they also start taking over governorships and capitals across the country and when you look at the democratic side of the field we're seeing a weak field. you don't have ten, 17 people competing for the democratic nomination. you have bernie sanders, a senator from vermont, and self-described democratic socialist and hillary clinton. >> we'll talk about the democrats later. i'm not sure, you have more people on the stage that means you have higher quality. quantity does not always lead to

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policing in america. events this past week show it's an issue that's not going away. the nation was stunned by this video showing a south carolina officer dragging a student in school. the officer was fired, but the

student faces a charge of disrupting class. also in south carolina, prosecutors announced that this officer would not face charge for shooting an unarmed teenager during a drug arrest. his parents say they're still seeking justice. and in florida, a funeral held this weekend for cory jones, the church musician shot by a police officer after his car broke down. president obama addressed the issue in a speech to law enforcement. >> with today's technology, if just one of your officers does something irresponsible, the whole world knows about it moments later. and the countless incidents of effective police work rarely make it on the evening news. we have departments to honestly and fairly address it and not just simply close ranks or stand down. >> but the president said we must also recognize that most

officers are good people doing their jobs, working in a system that is stacked against them and the communities they serve. >> too often law enforcement get scapegoated for the broader failures of our society and criminal justice system. it is easier for a lot of young people in this city and in some of your communities to buy a gun than buy a book. easier in some communities to find a gun that it is to find fresh vegetables. and a supermarket. >> and this week in new york, a reminder of the dangers that police face, the funeral of officer randolph holder, killed in the line of duty. jing mow is congressman bobby scott, democrat from virginia, a cospoon sore of a key reform bill in the house and

rog time critic of our criminal justice system. thank you for coming on with us this morning, congressman >> reverend al, good to be with you. >> let me ask you, there are those that are critical of the idea that police need reforming in this country. i mean, when you look at the fact that even fbi director james comey and president obama have two different views on the ferguson effect, let me show them to you and get your response. >> in today's youtube world, our officers are reluctant to get out of their cars and dot work that controls violent crime. some part of the explanation is a chill wind that has blown through law enforcement over the last year. >> overall, violent crime rates across the nation appear to be nearly as low as they were last year. we have to stick with the facts. what we can't do is cherry-pick data or use anecdotal evidence to drive policy.

>> this whole feeling that there's no need for reform and the talk of reform gives a chilling effect on police, how do you feel about that kind of rhetoric that's put out apparently by the fbi director? >> there was one police officer i saw on television saying they're going to, because of the ferguson effect, they're not going to, they're only going to arrest people when necessary. well you wonder what was going on before the ferguson effect. they should only be arresting people when necessary but i think if you had better police training and that costs money and that's available in the safe justice act. you provide better training we can get past the rhetoric and get to better police officers, body cameras to get the facts out. i don't think we need to get into debate whether this is a pergson effect. better police training will

address the problem. >> do police belong in schools? we saw this tape of this young lady being dealt with by this sheriff's officer in south carolina. do police belong in the schools and should disruptive behavior even be a crime? >> there's a lot of evidence that police officers in schools are actually counterproductive. they end up policing the children rather than protecting the children. problems that should have been resolved in the principal's office are now in the court system and that's a downhill slide for the young people that get caught up in the criminal justice system. lot of evidence you'd be better off spending the money instead of having a police officer additional guidance counselors, school psychologists and things like that, rather than police officers and there's a lot of evidence that suggests it's actually counterproductive to have police officers in the schools. >> some people have tried to say that calls for police reform,

calls to try and deal with the training you're talking about, and the sensitivities are anti-police. i went through it in new york, even showing that we stood with police, when one was slain and there was resistance even when some members of the family said hit them come in and be part of the funeral program. how do we address the fact that calling for police reform is not anti-police. it's really supporting good policing. >> well i think that's where police training comes in. what is in the training can be subject to a lot of discussion. what was necessary to be in it, but i think it's hard to argue against better policing, and we don't pay the police enough. we should be paying them more, but better training would certainly help and eliminate a lot of the problems of unnecessary arrests, profiling and a lot of other problems unnecessary use of force, a lot of things that can be cured with

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because i really want people to not be subjected to misinformation. >> you can't talk about the premiums without financial assistance and that financial assistance is extremely important to the populations we're talking about and that assistance we know seven in ten of the folks that are currently in the marketplace, if they come back and shop and shop with the rates that are currently this year's rates, that 75%, seven out of ten of them can find a plan for $75 or less, and in terms of the rates, the rates vary all over the country, the actual average increase of the benchmark plan that everybody measures against is 7.5%. but when you look at the markets, the 30 top markets where people are eligible, that number is about 6.3. and because markets differ all over the country there are markets who have lower increases than that. so that's a very important part

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>> bernie sanders and hillary clinton this week both addressing a key issue in the democratic party as our nbc poll shows clinton building her lead. we're back with our panel, jonathan alter, maria teresa kumar and amy holmes. death penalty. clinton wants to fix it. sanders wants to ban it. jonathan, this contrast as the nation deals with a variety of criminal justice matters, this contrast between sanders and clinton politically, does it work for him, and how do their contrasts speak to this whole fervor that many of us have been trying to build for years around criminal justice matters? >> i think it does work for sande sanders, not enough to get him the nomination but it will work for him. the beth penalty is in transition, kind of the way gay marriage was, used to be. you were in trouble politically

if you were for gay marriage. now you're in trouble politically particularly as a democrat if you're against it. the death penalty clinton bill clinton in 1992 had to be for the death penalty he felt to get elected. he returned to arkansas to preside over the execution of a mentally -- >> lobotomized -- i helped raise some of the questions. >> i remember. hillary says she wants to quick the death penalty. if you listen to justice john paul stevens really one of the great men to serve on the supreme court in the last 50 years, appointed by a republican, he's been writing lately you can't fix it. it's not fixable. and justice briar has been saying it says in the constitution no cruel and unusual punishment, because we're now one of only a few nations in the entire world who use the death penalty, it's now unusual punishment and unconstitutional.

>> maria, what is maybe to your advantage in the primaries, what happens in the general election. >> that's the question. >> and the general election, does miss clinton have to try -- >> she's started to thread the needle and bernie sanders has a name recognition problem among the community and this allows him to have direct conversations with the communities that he otherwise doesn't know how to have and hillary recognizes she has to, if she becomes the nominee she has to bring in more of the right so she's trying to thread that needle in a way that is talking about not only her base, but also acknowledging that if she is one to be the party nominee she has to be able to talk about this. >> but the problem, amy, is the question of the death penalty, police reform, the racial profiling, mass incarceration, the president spoke this week to black concerns about policing, while defending police.

this weekend we dealt with corey jones' case in florida, i was part of eulogizing him. how do you deal with this, and then keep your eye on if i'm the nominee, i've got to deal with the general election that may have a broader and different leaning in terms of voters? >> right, well i think you have to stick to the truth, and the truth of these cases and i think we're right -- >> the truth of the case or the truth of how you really feel as a candidate? >> both, and hopefully they'll be working in concert and not against one another. i think maria you're right, hillary clinton, she is trying to sort of walk the fine line of pleasing the left of the democratic party by saying she wants the death penalty to be rare, and only applied in very narrow circumstances but also appeal to the broader electorate that believes the death penalty is appropriate for some heinous crimes, but when it comes to criminal justice reform, one of her, you know, vulnerabilities

on that issue that bernie sanders can exploit is getting back to the flip-flopping and the trustworthiness, is what she's saying today is very different from what she said yesterday, when bill clinton, her own husband, was enacting a lot of the tough on crime poll is i policies. >> he's vulnerable on guns. that came out in their debate and she's going to use that to hammer him in future debates because it worked for her and his answer which is first of all stop shouting which is a little peculiar since he shouts on other issues, his other answer is vermont, that's a weak answer. i voted against the gun safety measures because i'm from vermont. >> let toe go to something else. >> in general it makes a lot of sense. >> the biden meeting with bernie sanders has of course they've said as i said they talked about education and so forth, but a lot of people think that this

was set up for other reasons. how do you read this? >> it's sending almost by extension that the administration itself may not be all in with hillary and they're basically using as vice president biden as a proxy to sander, and i think i really believe that's what they're trying do. >> i totally disagree with that and i think they are absolutely all in with hillary clinton, but imagine the way this probably played out. senator sandsanders, a colleagu joe biden for many years, calls up and says mr. vice president, i'd like to come over and talk to you. what is biden supposed to say, no? >> from the right, how do you read? >> how i read it is that this is a piece of joe biden needling hillary clinton. we saw that he talked about how you have to be friends with republicans on the other side, and not call them enemies, that he has taken opportunities to, you know, take a little skin off of hillary clinton's nose and this is just another circumstance. >> that doesn't mean they're not

going to end up supporting her. >> we have a lot to talk about but we won't be doing it this morning. thank you so much. enjoy the rest of your weekend. we'll be right back with bi bishop t.d. jakes. esurance was born online and built to save dollars. so, what will your dollars do? will they turn your daily coffee from a small...to a large? will they turn your night in... into a night out? or will they turn a 32 inch screen...into a 55 inch?

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. bishop t.d. jakes is one of america's foremost religious leaders. he's the founder and senior pastor of a church with 30,000 members. over the years he's become a counselor to american presidents from president obama to former president george w. bush, and former president bill clinton. he has strong opinions about faith in america. the spiritual challenges facing ordinary people and also national politics. and he doesn't hold back. joining me now is the one and

only bishop t.d. jakes, who most recently put out his book "destiny: step into your purpose." thanks for being here, bishop. >> thanks for having me. it's a pleasure. >> i want to get into the book but i need to ask you, you have convened in the last year while we've seen a lot of social issues around criminal justice, and policing. in fact, you came to ferguson for the funeral and met with some of the people trying to counsel them in terms of being calm, but at the same time firm. but you convened something no one else could, that is the major religious leaders in the country, including those that are considered far right, the dominant pastors in this country, explain to me why did you that and what you think the results are. >> i don't think that with we are agetting to resolve what

we're trying to get resolved as long as it is purely defined as a black issue. i'm trying to get us to understand it is an american issue and we need the white leaders to buy in and to cry out when there's injustice in our community and we want to hold them accountable. i wanted to explain and demystify some of the things i knew they don't understand about our community and then charge them and challenge them not only to speak up not in the traditional ways that we do, thoel they're welcome to do that but they have the judges in their churches. they have the senators in their churns and they've got to put racism back on the radar of white america. >> you came out with a new book "destiny: step into your purpose" and as you've traveled with this book now, it's been out a couple of weeks, and it's doing very well, are you finding the people that you talk to, that come out are lost in terms of why they're on the planet, why was i born, what is my life purpose? >> more than you' havei've ever

before. i think there's an economic component to it. i think there's the loss of the industrial age. people have had to downsize, change jobs, working beneath their qualifications, having to create businesses, trying to reinvent themselves. i've got a chapter in the book dealing with rebooting yourself, what do you do when what you were riding in has completely broke down and you have to reboot yourself and take a detour on the road to destiny. but you may be delayed. it doesn't mean that you have to be denied. there are all kinds of talents that are marketable. one of the things that i think we're really missing out on in the community, most of us are hired into jobs and companies who hire to us build their brand and we do that from whatever post we work. but we don't build a brand for ourselves. so when the company is through with us, we are back to ground level zero, because we have not used social media or anything else to establish who we are. we have took all of our energies and placed it into someone else. >> the finding of your destiny, is your destiny something that emanates from you or is your

destiny something that is there and you have to discover that you already have a preordered life? >> from a theological perspective there is a notion of predestination that those god did know he did also predestnate but that's in eternal life and thereafter. i'm dealing for the most part here and now, what is your destination in life on this side, and understanding how important it is. you know when you get into a car the first thing you do when you use a gps you're not there but it wants to know your destination, then it routes to you get to that destination. if you get off court it reroutes you. so is life. if you know where you're going, then you also know when you get off course. getting off course isn't the openend of the world. paul said i have finished my course. there is a course that god has for every one of us. >> where do you think we are in this country in terms of setting the national course and do we

need some real clear defined leadership that understands their destiny in this next election, whomever it be? >> you know, i have never seen -- i don't know whether it's my age or the times but i'm really worried. i'm really honestly worried. i don't see much hope either way i look to the left or to the right. because i don't think changing the chef fixes the oven. we keep changing the chef every four, eight years, we fight over who is going to be the best chef but the problem is the whole system has become toxic in some ways and needs to be, i'm not talking about totally abolished but we need to admit we need to make some changes, education and justice are the terms of our congress and our body and the gridlooking that keeps happening so we can do common sense things that need to be done. it's troubling for me. >> bishop t.d. jakes thank you for your time. the new book is "destiny: step into your purpose." >> thank you.

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