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ten candidates from the 2016 field descended on des moines for the party's first ever growth and opportunity party gop. the event is the last cattle call before the iowa caucuses. the festival had games and free cotton candy and featured candidate booths where potential voters could stop by for a chat. the main event was on the big stage where each candidate made their own pitch. >> what makes america special is that here there are millions of people that may not be rich, but through hard work and perseverance they achieve happiness. and now this generation has called to preserve it and expand it. that is the chance we have, and that is why this election is a generational choice. >> i know i can do this because i had the chance to do it in the largest swing state in the united states, and i have a servant's heart and i'm going to campaign the way i would govern, with my arms wide open with a hopeful, optimistic message. >> which of the ten people do you want on the stage in september of 2016 prosecuting

the case against hillary clinton and her failed leadership and her failed vision for america? who is going to be strong enough to stand up to her? i am ready to beat hillary clinton. >> and when you get rid of all of the complicated returns, all of the deductions, all of the depreciation schedules, all of the rules and regulations, then we can abolish the irs. >> we are joined by kathy o'bratovich, from "the des moines register" political columnist at that event. you had a lot of folks to listen to. >> yes. >> which candidate of all did at least that were there loved what was being said? >> okay, well first of all, richard, the two stop running candidates, ben carson and donald trump were not there. that gave everybody else a chance to shine. i think most people and myself included thought that ted cruz had the most enthusiastic audience, fired people up, he

was one of the first speakers in the brorng, clear people were there to see him. he got mobbed at his booth signing autographs, et cetera. so he was very, very well received. if i had to pick a winner for the day it would be ted cruz. >> what did he say that resonated, kathy? >> well first of all, he has made a lot of hay off of the last debate in going after the media, and he continued to do that on saturday. the republican crowd eats that up. he did not go after his fellow republican candidates, but really talking about the last debate and talking about the media was a big deal. he also got i think into a lot more detail than i've heard him on his tax plan, promoting a flat tax, you heard in the clip talking about getting rid of the irs. so i think people heard more detail on that than they have before from ted cruz, and that kind of thing was resonating

with the crowd. >> and after last week's debate, a lot of eyes were on marco rubio certainly as well as jeb bush. jeb bush happened to show energy in a clip we showed, saw him give a little bit more oomph, how does marco rubio do? >> he's on the rise in iowa, moving up in the polls. people are looking at him as possibly the mainstream alternative candidate, and also i think that they're looking at him as an up and comer in the party. he did well. he had a big enthusiastic cheering section, again, tons of people stood in line to shake his hand. he gave what i thought was a pretty standard stump speech, with thaun t if you heard him i iowa, he was well received. jeb bush on the other hand came with new remarks and new energy and i thought that he might have gotten a second look from the crowd. >> all right, kathy, i want to bring in today's panel,

president of the brooklyn chapter of the naacp, ella joy williams, good morning. republican strategist o'brien murray and political scientist and professor genie zaino. there they were, last cattle call as kathy was saying. two of the front-runners did not show up there and messages that had to be gotten out at least when i mentioned marco rubio as well as jeb bush, based on what we saw of the debate last week. what do you make of them not being there? >> if you look at the history, the previous two winners in the iowa caucuses, huckabee and santorum speaks to what the front-runners have too do in the future anyway possibly. iowa is very important. you have to shake every hand you can and attend the cattle calls but the end of the day there are opportunities beyond iowa, you have new hampshire, the debates, south carolina, nevada and others. i think them not being there speaks to some of their strength possibly. i think ted cruz is really the opportunity to win in iowa. i don't know where it getsz him after that. that's why he's there.

>> is ted cruz the one to watch? >> i think ted cruz. i think ted cruz could possibly win iowa. i was surprised by ben carson's absence. i think iowa is an important state for ben carson. let's consider if he comes in second, third, if he doesn't win iowa, you're hard pressed to imagine how he moves forward to new hampshire, then maybe down to south carolina, so i was a little surprised by his absence. donald trump has been falling behind carson a little bit, so i wasn't as surprised he wasn't there. i think ted cruz is somebody to watch. iowa is perfectly situated made for a ben carson and ted cruz. i think those are the two we'll see battling it out there. >> i was surprised about ben carson not being there and certainly trying to build momentum that he can actually win election. remembe remember, he's never been in elected office before, not a politician which is something that people love about him. but certainly he still has more to prove in that instance from an election standpoint.

>> iowa as we know is, being in a caucus is about organization. ted cruz everyone says has the organization right now. i don't know if trump has that capability. he has to write a big check to get the ground troops out. >> we've been asking that question for a while about donald trump and about his organizing the actual campaign. >> very true. >> certainly he benefits the most because of his media attention, because he says certain things, but the organization of the campaign has he written you a check yet? >> no. he hasn't. or vice versa. neither way. >> but about donald trump, and one of the things that if you watched his remarks yesterday in virginia was that he was a little bit more on script, right? he was reading off of his talking points more than we've seen in the past. so is he now trying to move farther center or at least become more, if you will, established? >> he's becoming a better candidate which happens over time. everybody that runs for any office will tell you the first speech you give compared to the

last speech the day before the election, night and day and you always improve. part of that is staying on message and stript. i think what he'd use the opportunity in virginia to deliver a message about the v.a. >> part of what people are attracted to donald trump he's not a typical politician. he goes off script and says things other people can't say so i wonder how much this moving on script which i understand why it's happening, how much of it is going to help him or actually hurt him in the end. >> i don't think that's something that just knowing donald trump as long as we have and someone in the beginning of this process certainly did not want to take him seriously, but i don't think staying on message for a long period of time is something donald trump is going to do. so that messaging of him maybe reading now today, but tomorrow he'll be off script again. >> kathy, last word here, jeb bush speaking yesterday and i just want to finish with that. he said he needed to be a better candidate. did you get that sense? >> yes, he actually is a better, he was a better candidate on

saturday than we've seen. he was a lot more forceful in his comments. he does a good job with retail politics, which is important in iowa, meeting people one on one, shaking hands, et cetera. i have to tell you, though, chris christie took questions the entire time that he was allotted from stage. that is really what retail politics is all about and jeb bush could take a lesson from that. >> kathy obradovic, thank you for joining us, as well as chatting witheur panel today, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> the developing story in egypt we've been covering, an investigation into what caused a russian airliner to crash in the sinai peninsula yesterday morning killing all 224 people on board. this hour there's a growing makeshift memorial at russia's airport in st. petersburg. it's a day of mourning as russian officials begin their investigation at that crash site. according to egyptian officials search and rescue teams recovered 163 bodies so far. joining us from cairo is nbc's

bill neely. bill, what are officials saying about the claims the crash may have been terror related at this hour? >> reporter: good morning, richard. they are dismissing it, russian and egyptian officials say the militants who operate in that area of egypt don't have the missiles that could down a plane flying at an altitude of 31,000 feet. it's not known that any terror group in the mideast has that kind of equipment. they have shoulder-fired missiles but not those more powerful missiles that would be required to down an aircraft, but that hasn't stopped the speculation, the lingering suspicion in russia that maybe russia's air campaign in syria has got something to do with this crash. really until there's a fast examination of those black box flight recorders, those suspicion also linger. investigators are now working on those black box recorders slowly gathering the clues and also here in cairo slowly bringing

the dead to the mortuaries. from the tangled wreckage nearly 200 bodies and two black box flight recorders have been removed. russian investigators joining egyptians examining the fuselage for evidence. the 18-year-old airbus was 23 minutes into its flight when it slowed and dropped dramatically. most of those on board were russian tourists, 25 were children. their bodies brought to a morgue in the country where they'd just finished a vacation, nearly 200 already. russian forensic experts here, too. most of the dead have been brought here to be identified, many of them only through dna samples. it is grim work. identifying the exact cause of the crash that killed them may take longer. among the dead, yuri sshelna he his 3-year-old daughter

photographed by their mom ready to bod. human error wasn't to blame. investigators will look the everything. >> the weather, the way the airplane was fueled, the cargo, everything about it. >> reporter: the plane crashed in an area where militants are fighting egypt's army. allies of isis claim they shot down the plane. officials dismissed that, saying the militants don't have the missiles to do it. the airline metrojet has been grounded by russian authorities who have had serious concerns about its maintenance record. the crew reporting engine trouble several times recently. the wife of the co-pilot revealing her husband had complained about the plane's condition. ♪ russia today is in shock. it's a day of national mourning, after a tragedy they will not forget. so investigators now working on those black boxes, listening to the last words and sounds from the cockpit. some airlines now have security worries. remember, there is no evidence

that this plane was shot down, but half a dozen airlines, including one of the world's biggest emirates are now choosing not to fly over this area, just to be on the safe side. richard? >> nbc's bill neely, thank you for that report. let's bring in jay rollins, former american airlines pilot. we have another day here of data, jay. we've got another day of thinking. the question still remains here, we have an a321, a very popular plane, very safe by the statistics at least, and we have it decreasing in speed by 85%, just within a moment, as well as falling from the sky at a rate of 6,000 feet per minute. what do you think could have caused this with the data we've got right now? >> well, good morning, richard. thank you for having me on. this is going to be one of those perplexing type crashes until we get those black boxes. they have them now. they're reading them out, and

that will be our real clear evidence of what happened. right now, there's a lot of confusion out there. for one thing, they are indicating this dramatic reduction in speed and then the drop. we don't know if that's the case. that's come from flight aware, which is not, not like the radar from egypt. so that information is a little bit suspect, and we also have conflicting reports from the russians and from the egyptians, whether the pilot actually radioed that there was a problem or not. that makes a big difference, and then there's a question about the tail detaching. could that have been maybe not from a surface to air missile but possibly someone on board that set off a detonation device of some sort. so there are a lot of things out there that it could be. >> right. >> it could be a number of things. >> what is your thought here and they have fairly quick to move here on the ground in the sinai

peninsula, and that is that they're saying there is nothing to indicate at this moment that there is a terror related link to what may have happened, despite some claims by certain terror groups which have been discredited by most government sources. what's your thought about that possibility? >> well, they say there is no terrorist connection based on the fact that they don't think a surface-to-air missile was fired but they haven't discussed the possibility of there being a device already on board the aircraft. >> okay, jay kohl rollins, thank you so much for your time today. i appreciate it. still ahead, obama care celebrates a milestone. we'll take stock of the health care law three years in. republican presidential campaigns will meet later today to debate about debating. that's next. what if one sit-up could prevent heart disease? one. wishful thinking, right? but there is one step you can take

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he. the republican presidential campaigns will be spending sunday trying to influence and reshape the party's debate process. you recall that the party and many of its candidates are unhappy with how things went in this week's debate that aired on cnbc. well the chairman of the republican party accused in a statement that "cnbc's moderators engaged in a series of gotcha questions, petty and mean-spirited in tone, and designed to embarrass our candidates." cnbc is a sister network to msnbc and nbc news, and nbc news responded to the rnc's letter saying "this is a disappointing development, however, along with our debate broadcast partners at telemundo we will work in good faith to resolve this matter with republican party." earlier in the week, cnbc responded to the initial criticism by saying "people who want to be president of the united states should be able to answer tough questions." so today, as we mentioned the campaigns are gathering in

washington without party leaders in an effort to affect change, at least one of the candidates making it clear to kasie hunt that it's not something he likes to complain about. take a listen. >> i am not one of the guys to complain about this. if you can't take it on the stage, no matter whether it's fair or unfair and i thought there was a lot of unfair stuff the other night but if you can't take it, how will you take running against hillary clinton and negotiating for america around the world? i'm not one of the whiners answer complainers about it. i think they're doing the best they can and it's our job to perform no what theer what the circumstances are. >> reporter: do you think nbc should have its debate with telemundo? >> it's up to the rnc, anyone that is organizing it. any debate i'll show up. >> chris christie will no doubt show up knowing who he is. i want to get into some of the proposed direct changes and your feedback. ben carson is saying he would like when it comes to these debates, he wants it broadcasted over the internet, not

television. he would like less moderator questions and shorter ones at that. he'd like to reduce the number of debates as well. and those are consistent with what are the broader suggestions coming from not only the campaigns but also the rnc, fewer debates, longer opening and closing statements, candidates drawing straws for equally sized debates and veto power for instance brought in for overmoderators. >> this has been a long time problem. the second debate chris christie said these are not the issues we want or should talk about and corrected the moderators in that debate. newt gingrich last cycle did the same thing asked about a personal question if that's what you want to ask about this isn't the place to do it and you're out of line to do it. it's a common thing to pick a fight with a moderator in certain fashions. >> that has become the fashion if we look at the last three cycles and the debates used to be. >> that's correct but i have been a big proponent from day one the win we had so many

fantastic republican candidates which is how strong the republican bench unlike the democratic bench that has nobody on its bench now we should have put everybody in so to speak drawing straws and had two debates just like what other people have been talking about. i talked about that back in august with ben ginsburg, running the meeting tonight with people down in washington. >> i have a couple of things to say. number one is the realistic logistics of this as mentioned there are ten candidates so any instance where you have multiple candidates particularly that large amount of candidates is difficult to do a debate. this is not a debate. they're forums. debate is against one or two opponents and you guys asking each other questions to challenge that. so that's number one. the other issue is as you mentioned what you're supportive of. i don't think, i think trading between moderators, having voters actually submit questions that they want to hear from

candidates, and the differences they want of candidates. i think there's a forum or debate style to make that better. one thing i will say, this may get me killed from liberal friends is that people mentioning that they probably want republican voters or moderators. i don't see a problem with that. this is a primary debate. it is a primary process. while there are still open primaries in certain states, having people who will vote for them. i don't think there's a big problem with that. i think the logistics are a problem. regarding the democratic binge, the other piece i would say about that is just being my republican self for a hot minute. >> your republican self. i like that. >> o'brien is like who is this? >> hang on. >> the media and sort of the media attention in the polls contribute to who defines the bench. there are more than hillary

clinton running on the democratic side, and so even though there are candidates polling at 1% in other things they have just as bit every right as a ben carson or somebody else being on the stage to debate issues. >> could we take a step back for a minute and look at the big picture. we have candidates complaining all the time. they're not going to be happy no matter if it's the greatest debate. was ted cruz complaining there wasn't enough substance yet he was responding to a question about his opposition to the debt ceiling which he refused to answer. that has not -- obi, just a minute you got your turn. that has not been stated clearly. these republicans did not want to engage in full throttle debate on the substance. why? the economy is not their strong suit. it is much better now than it was when barack obama took office. >> absolutely. >> what are they going to run on? they don't want to note the biggest problem with obama's economy is the inequality in

constant and they don't have an answer to it. just a minute. so we have to look at the substance of this and to say all of these changes that they're going to get together and talk about tonight front-runners are not going to do the same thing, a lindsey graham or chris christie wants to do. so this is going to be a very interesting debate. they are not going to be satisfied either way unless it's to beat up on the media. >> in any debate, you answer the question you wanted asked, not the one that was act. ted cruz with ten people on the stage and very few opportunities to speak, that was the first chance he had after a period of time to step up and question the moderator on the tone of what was going on and it had to be done by somebody. chris christie did it in the previous debate. once he answered that and went on the monologue for a moment then it became a question i'll answer your question and got cut off and moved on. >> the real problem was not the tone. they were surprised that they were under attack. they should have been more prepared for that, but if you look at it, some of the questions, you can kick itter

about some of the tones. >> we can sit here and talk that. i got to respectfully disagree. >> for you to say ted, his argument is he wants a more subtannive debate. that is not what you're going to get as a result of the meeting. >> we have a great preview of what will be discussed maybe today about how to hand 8 the debates so thank you, panel. that was a great discussion on that and of course we'll return to topics of similar issue no doubt later in the hour. still ahead a report card for obamacare. dr. zeke emmanuel will rate the health care law as it enters its fourth year. and the latest details on yesterday's shooting in colorado springs. we have that as well. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul?

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police. leighanne greg joins us live from colorado springs. what are officials saying happened and do we know at this moment anything about the gunman, the suspect in. >> reporter: they have not released the gunman's name for anything about him. today they spend their time trying to determine what may have nomotivated him to walk through a quiet neighborhood in colorado springs and open fire. it started with a report of shots fired in the neighborhood. also reports of a fire in a basement. police responded, the first victim was found. then witnesses say the gunman walked to the street and came face to face with a woman who was leaving her house, a cyclist, just happened to come between them. witnesses say the gunman opened fire then on the guy on the bicycle, killing him. he walked down the street where he shot a third person and killed them. eventually authorities caught up with the man here, that's where gunfire was exchanged. they said he was heavily armed.

he was taken to the hospital after he was shot and later died. again today, they say they're spending all of their resources trying to talk to anyone who was at those three locations. they're trying to determine the background of this man, who his mental state might have been, how he got the weapons, anything on social media that might have given them some clues as to what caused this event. richard? >> thank you, nbc's leanne gregg with the latest in colorado springs. still ahead for you on this sunday, one presidential candidate went door to door yesterday, but this time he wasn't collecting votes. next, diagnosing at fordable care act, three years in, on its birthday, dr. zeke emmanuel is with us right here. looks like some folks have had it with their airline credit card miles. sometimes those seats cost a ridiculous number of miles... or there's a fee to use them. i know. it's so frustrating.

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this trip comes as pressure mounts between police forces nationwide and the communities that they protect. kristen welker is live at the white house with that. hey, kristen. >> good morning. the president's trip will include a viszit to a treatment facility that helps adults get back on their feet and a roundtable at rutgers university. criminal justice reform is increasingly a central focus for president obama and a contentious issue across the country. prison reform will be his rallying cry, getting ex-cons back to work. the president arguing in his weekly address having millions of ex-offenders out of work is bad for the country and the economy. >> everyone has a role to play from businesses that are hiring ex-offenders to philanthropies that are supporting education and training programs. >> reporter: today more than 2 million people are behind bars in the u.s. costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars. >> that's not a sustainable situation. >> reporter: this past week the

president spoke to police officers in his hometown of chicago, about reduced mandatory prison sentences for non-violent offenders. >> it is possible for us to come up with strategies that effectively reduce the damage of the drug trade without relying solely on incarceration. >> reporter: he also praised bipartisan legislation moving through congress that would decrease sentences. earlier this year mr. obama became the first sitting president to visit a prison, talking to inmates as part of a special that aired on hbo. >> i did a lot of stupid stuff when i was young but i've said this before, i was just in an environment where you could afford to make some mistakes. >> reporter: last year the president established my brother's keeper, that is an initiative making sure young men of color have more opportunities, clearly a key legacy issue for this president whose time in office is of course winding down. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. to a big milestone for what

is arguably the signature piece of legislation and reform of the obama presidency. the affordable care act unofficially turning 3 years old with the start of the third open enrollment period for the health care law. republicans claiming credit this week for repealing a section of that law, as part of the current budget deal. it's a section that requires large employers to enroll employees in their health plans automatically. although as t"the huffington post" pointed out it was one few people knew about and supported passionately. here to discuss where it needs to be tweaked msnbc contributor and chair of medical ethics and health policy at the university of pennsylvania dr. zeke emmanuel. good to see you in new york here for the moarathon i guess. >> yes. >> what is the grade? >> first of all we passed it five and a half years ago and a lot of stuff went into effect almost immediately in 2010. it's the third year anniversary of the exchanges opening and

expanding the medicaid. >> which ever remembers. >> i was recently asked what was the most surprising thing about the aca, the fact that it's been so successful. whatever your metric is, whether it's access in covering people, cost control, quality, the effect on the medicare trust fund, the effect on employment, it succeeded on all of those metrics and that's got to be a real problem for republicans by and large who still want to repeal it but don't have a replacement that makes sense. >> i think somebody sitting at the table will have a question for you on that shortly. i want to get to one of the issues related to this, because we look back to the exchange and of course three years ago -- >> disaster. >> it was a big sore shall we say. another one that i was looking at and it was something that was covered in a special on pbs, the success or lack of success with co-ops, the on the ground need to happen clinics across the country up to half it was said are not going to succeed. >> first of all, they were an

effort to provide insurance, opportunities and options especially in states that did have a lot of insurers competing in the market. >> right. >> the government seeded them with some money and now five years later we're seeing that some of them are failing. look, when you start businesses in america at the fifth year, half of the businesses have closed. so the idea that some of these co-ones are going to work and some are should be expected. that's what business is about. the idea 100% will succeed is a false metric we don't hold the private sector to. the second thing is the rules have changed repeatedly. congress altered the rules how much they'd give the co-opps to start and second of all the risk corridor, so how they were going to protect them in the era when you start an insurance company and don't know who will sign up for you. both changed in the process. it's no surprise when you change the marketplace some will fail but some will succeed. >> i have to let the crowds in

here. >> i think when you talk about obamacare as a whole there's parts you can look at that are good but the cost part is one that's not. i got a letter from my insurance company my insurance rates went up 15% this year, last year 16%, on top of that a deductible i have to pay before i can use it. the end of the day the cost is going up and on taxpayers in new york a co-op costing the taxpayers millions of dollars. if you go into business why are the taxpayers in new york responsible paying for that at this point? that is where it becomes unfair from a cost standpoint. >> from the cost standpoint, historic lows over the last five years, that doesn't predict what the future is, but it has been historic lows that your insurance is going up may be because you were in a very favorable pool, taking advantage of certain situations like they weren't insuring people with predisting conditions so they could give you a very select group a better rate. when we put everyone into a

pool, everyone benefits. the second thing is, a lot of the cost increases over the last year are directly attributable to drug increases. 14% on the drugs, everything else has been pretty low. the last thing i would say s i agree with you. cost control is one of the things you have to be on every day of the week. i would flip it back to you. what is the republican proposal exactly on cost control? president obama -- >> you asked a question, tort reform, buying insurance across state borders are two things that will bring cost down and more competition. >> tort reform the cbo looked at tort reform over and over again as a measure of how much it's going to reduce cost. it's negligible, 1% most. second of all buying across state lines you can now do that and it hasn't made a difference because state insurance commissioners don't want buying across state lines. 'not going to happen. you can't legislate it from the federal government. the fact is the only real cost control is going to change how we deliver care to keep people

healthy. that is one thing the obama administration has been focusing on for the last couple of years and it's going to be the key going forward. the real optimism i have about the future is you go out off the lights, tremendous amount of innovation happening out there. some of it is going to succeed, some of it will fail and that's where we're going to reform the system. >> three years in on aca and we shall see no doubt. thank you so much, dr. zeke emmanuel for being here as well. >> nice to be here. still ahead what president obama said to john boehner the day the former speaker announced his retirement. >> and next, who is ben carson? getting to know the new front-runner.

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different. trump was a star long before he launched his campaign, but many americans are meeting ben carson for the first time again and again. at claimed neurosurgeon came on to the national scene after a very publicized speech at the 2013 national prayer breakfast and evangelicals are giving ben carson a boost especially in iowa. which may explain why donald trump was the first to question dr. carson's seventh day adventist faith. >> i'm presbyteriapresbyterian. boy, that's down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. i mean, seventh day adventist, i don't know about. >> so how will the broader public relate to ben carson and who he is? to our panel, i was talking with our executive producer and senior producer today and i was like, that question, who is ben carson, we're in a bunch of months on this so far and we've watched him go up and down in the polls, mostly up. you have to ask that question, who is ben carson? >> and i think we haven't got. a good answer yet and a lot of

people are still trying to get to know him. in part i think when it comes to this issue of religion i think donald trump is reflecting a sense that people have out there. there's not a lot of people that are that familiar with the seventh day adventist church and so it is a question, but the way in which he frames it made it seem like there was, you know, something maybe a little bit sinister or something, you know, so that to me was a little bit troubling, but i will say i think they are a lot more similar personalities aside, i think they are both populist from the right. they have populists on the left they are speaking. people out on the stump with ben carson it is like a revival. so much energy and support for him out there, like a religious movement out there. i think of a williams jennings bryant thing, this is how he comes across and people really, really do feel connected to him in that way. >> but is it religious conservatism standing out giving him his boost in the national polls? we really want to talk about iowa at the moment.

>> i think one thing as a person of faith i cringed when donald trump said this. . >> the presbyteriapresbyterian. >> i'm a table flipping christian, right, so i cringed because it was framed in a way in which that we should be concerned or leery of someone's faith and sort of what does that mean who they are. our faith influences who we are and that's partly has been the reason why ben carson gained so much support among certain populations because his faith completely influences who he is and he tells that compelling story dr. carson does. >> as we all know it's how we talk about our faith, if you're faithful it's not just saying it. >> right. >> as we sit here on sunday morning, people have church they're going to today at some point or went yesterday. the reality is, it was a talking point he brought up. i don't think it's a narrative. if you look at what happens in iowa with evangelicals voting

and where they go it's a segment of the voters at this point. the average voter is not going to make or break donald trump talking about religion. the biggest request he for ben carson how he speaks at a revival meeting almost to some extent, he is like that. i hosted him a couple years ago in new york and had 300 people and he had them eating out of his hand. >> what stood out at that time? >> his attack of obama and frankly a black man attacking a black president. >> and that's where we are. >> when you talk about it years ago, remember he stood in front of the president and he made his bona fide originally attacking the president face to face at a prayer breakfast mind you. >> even -- >> more so than that, i think -- >> this is where we are. >> shall -- the fact that he's a black man attacking the president he's beloved across the board for what he has done. he brought himself up from nothing. there is something about that and ella joy talking about faith is so much a part of who we are,

it's an aspirational story for people. people would love to see ourselves and other americans do what he's done. >> wait, wait. so one you're right, dr. carson's story is one in which those who knew him which i am among them, knew of his inspirational story. it was something communicated all the time. but you mentioned something really posh. the really important thing of people supporting him because it's, oh, there's another black man commenting or -- negatively against the president and i don't feel comfortable in doing so. because of the race factor. so here's someone who can do it that kind of -- >> not at all. >> the question was what was he doing. he was attacking the president and he was going after him in such a way that was very well pointed out where the issues were with the president with obamacare and other things. given his narrative and history and his bio, which is fantastic -- >> in terms of having the

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there's a lot going on this morning. some of the other headlines making news, i've got like eight of them. we're going do get to two or three of them as pipe in as you always do. bernie sanders getting involved in a little candy collecting with his grandchildren in new hampshire. the senator from vermont dressed -- well, as bernie sanders. one of his grandsons, greyson, 9, was the abominable snowman. riley, 10, sonic, the hedgehog. sonny, 12, was the witch.

when he arrived at this house, marion screamed with joy, ran, got her "bernie bear," quote, unquote, bernie called that an experience of a lifetime. as we know, bernie sanders not a baby kissing candidate. >> was that bernie or larry david? >> it's good to see him out there. >> imagine if he came to your door and knocked on your door. i would scream. that's exciting. >> you think it's dairy davr la. so president obama, when john boehner, house speaker, said he was going to resign, they did have a little bit of an exit interview evidently and this is what we hear was said to fox news on his way out of congress yesterday. >> president called me the day i announced my retirement and we had a nice conversation. at one point he said, boehner, man, i'm going to miss you. i said, yes, you are, mr.

president. yes, you are. >> how true. you see his eyebrows? oh, yeah. >> you don't know what's coming. >> eyebrows. >> i think -- listen, they worked together for a number of years. any time you work with a co-worker even though you didn't like their smelly lunch, you still said i'm going to miss you here. >> every republican and democrat will say it across the board be with he doesn't do well with others all the time. now he has time to try to do well with paul ryan. we'll see how that goes. >> i wanted to get to the miami/duke game. it's a great video. but instead, we'll eat doughnuts. here's the play. eight latlaterals. reminds me of the big game in california since i'm a berkeley guy. fantastic play. eight laterals. if you like saturday football, this was one to see. chuck todd's a happy man right now. >> chuck todd's smiling all the way to the bank. thank you all so much. too many good times today.

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this morning, my question -- just how notorious is rbg? plus, the gop establishment strikes back. and, playing politics with the police. but first, president obama refutes the so-called ferguson effect. ♪ good morning, i'm melissa har rris perry. it is a decade-long trend that's brafaffled's reernlsear a attempts to explain it. during 1998 the crime rates started to fall, dropping by almost half. but what