to do. this is not debating. >> i understand. >> it's certainly not debating. i can complete a sentence. >> defending his political life, jeb bush saying he can still be the republican nominee for president. did his words in a new interview help or hurt him? the debate over the debate. we'll tell you what you need to know about a gop meeting to figure out how to move forward. it remains a puzzle for police today. what is it that drove a man to march down the streets of colorado springs on a killing spree? to the rescue, dramatic pictures of a team of scientists trying to untangle a whale from fishing lines. how that ended. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." i'm richard lui in for alex on thus sunday. new and potentially significant developments out of russia and egypt. both countries today are mourning the loss of 224 people

who died when a russian plane crashed saturday morning. investigators are scouring the crash site for clues as to what brought down the airbus a321. the flight recorders have been recovered and are being evaluated. the plane coming down in an area that's seen fighting between egyptian forces and islamist insurgents. they say militants lacked the weapons to do that. nevertheless, three major airlines, air france, lufthansa and emlirates all announcing they'd halt flights over sinai for the time being. germany issued a warning for flight routes in the southeast sinai. bill neily is in cairo for us at this hour. what are we hearing in terms of why they have decided to stop flying over this area? >> well, it's an abundance of caution, really, richard.

the claim by isis that they shot down the plane has been widely discounted by both russian and egyptian ministers because it's simply not thought isis or any group has the missile capable of shooting a plane down at 31,000 feet. what it all hinges on is the investigation at the crash site and investigation of those black boxes. those are the two ways investigators can learn. and at the crash site a russian aviation official who visited that site has said that the plane broke up in midair. he didn't give any great evidence for that but it's clear from the fact that the tail of the plane was three miles from the nose of the plane that something catastrophic happened high up. also the bodies were strewn across 12 square miles. as for the black boxes, they've been opened here in cairo, and the examination has begun. they've been listening to the last words and sounds from the

cockpit. no word as to what they may have discovered from those black boxes. they are slowly gathering the clues that might tell us what happened to this plane and also they are slowly, here in cairo, gathering the dead. >> from the tangled wreckage nearly 200 bodies and two black box flight recorders have been removed. russian investigators joining egyptians, examining the fuselage for evidence. the 18-year-old airbus was 23 minutes into its flight when it slowed and dropped dramatically. most were rush knran tourists. 25 were children. their bodies brought to a morgue in the country where they just finished a vacation. nearly 200 already russian forensic experts here, too. most of the dead have been brought here to be identified. many of them only through dna samples. it is grim work. identifying e exact cause of the crash that killed them may

take longer. among the dead, yuri and his 3-year-old daughter anastasia photographed by her mom ready to board. the airline says the plane was in working order. the pilot experienced human error wasn't to blame. investigators will look at everything. >> the weather, the way it was fueled, the cargo, everything about it. >> reporter: it crashed in an area where militants are fig fighting an army. officials dismissed that saying they don't have the missiles to do. the metrojet has been grounded by authorities who have had serious concerns about its mant nance records. the crew reporting engine trouble several times recently. the wife of the co-pilot revealing her husband complained about the plane's condition. russia today is in shock. it's a day of national mourning after a tragedy they will not

forget. so as you said, richard, half a dozen airlines have now decided not to fly over that area of egypt until the exact cause of this crash has been established. egypt's president says that could take months, and he's cautioning against jumping to conclusions. the investigation of the black boxes here will continue tonight and tomorrow. it may, however, be some time before the egyptians or russians reveal what exactly they show. back to you, richard. >> live early evening there in egypt. thank you, nbc's bill neely. in just hours, top campaign advisers will be meeting for the republicans. those who hope to be president will gather in washington. privately powwowing about the latest debate controversy. in advance of the next debate, november 10th campaign aides will be strategizing about the cnbc debate that drew criticism. they slammed moderators for

so-called gotcha questions. the rnc boycotting future nbc-sponsored debates. dr. carson weighed in on that. >> we should have moderators interested in disseminating the information about the candidates as opposed to, you know, gotcha. you did this and you defend yourself on that. >> new jersey governor chris christie is slamming his party and his peers, though. christie saying if you put up a debate, he'll show up. tonight it's unclear what will go on behind closed doors when campaign advisers meet. one candidate is making its own behind the scenes adjustments. jeb bush is going to up the ante. >> i've got to get better doing the debate. and i am a grinder. when i see i'm not doing something well, then i reset and i get better. >> jeremy peters is a politic reporter for "the new york

times." we'll get to jeb bush in a minute. the big powwow coming in just hours, what's do you think is going to happen here specific from the meetings and representatives from all these campaigns? >> i think there are some legitimate grievances that the campaigns and candidates have about the way that some of these debaits have been conducts, especially with the cnbc debate. there was a certain cattiness to a lot of the questions that were inappropriate. that's, i would say, a legitimate gripe. however if you listen to someone like ben carson say, we just want to have the chance to get up there and talk and the moderators can disseminate information about us like it's an infomercial. i don't think that's the way to go. i don't think the networks will stand for that or a lot of the campaigns want that. the reason ben carson is saying that is because he's not as good on the debate stage as a lot of these other guys he's competing against. >> those who supported the

moderators say if you're up there you have to answer the tough questions. i know you're alluding to some of ben carson's suggestions. one of which you're intimating is he wants to do all of the debates or many of the debates strictly online. he'd like to reduce the number of debates overall. have fewer moderator questions. the rnc collective suggestions include veto power over moderators. do any of these you think stick as they move forward either with nbc telemundo or any other group? >> this beef that campaigns have with the way that networks conduct debates is nothing new. and this seems to happen every four years. it's gotten a lot worse as the prevalence and the importance of debates in the campaign process has become more central and more defining. let's not forget the republicans are still angry at candy crowley for the debate that cnn

conducted in 2012 between romney and obama. this is nothing new. i think what you will see going forward is kind of a more sensitivity on the network's part to not asking -- i'm not talking about gotcha questions. i hate that phrase. it doesn't really -- >> sorry, jeremy. >> -- solve what the problem is here. it's the candidates. it's not really a gotcha question to put someone on the spot and ask them something tough. it's more about the tone of the questions and perceived pettiness. >> it will be interesting to see what the effect might be if any. is this going to hurt those criticizing the process? those who might view it i'm talking about voters, as being petty by asking too much and bringing too much attention to themselves, although we've seen donald trump, ben carson, the two leaders here being able to effect this process. that may be the difference we're

seeing at this stage of the game. they've made the agreements with the rnc and these networks to put forth these debates and now, hang on a second. we're not quite as satisfied as we thought we would be. >> that's exactly right. the rnc's gripe from the very beginning was, this is our process. this is our party's process in selecting our nominee. and we shouldn't be subject to questions and grilling from modalators who we think are out to get us. this goes back to george stephanopoulos' involvement with the republican debate when it was revealed he donated money to the clinton foundation. this is a longstanding beef that the republicans have with this process. i don't think it's going to be settled after one meeting. >> one of the representatives there will be from jeb bush. we were playing a little bit of the sound earlier. he said he needs to up the ante. can he make the change?

is he capable? what's your thought? >> i think it comes down to a question of, as one of marco rubio's advisers put it the other day. is exposure jeb bush's friend? there's no doubt that the more marco rube knrio is exposed to s on national television, the more ha peel grows. with jeb, what you see is the opposite. fundamentally, is it in his nature to be the kind of politician that he says he can be, that he says he needs to be? i don't know. we haven't seen any signs of great improvement from him despite the fact his campaign insisted they push the reset button. >> jeremy, thank you for stopping by. appreciate your time. later, we'll talk about which gop candidate the democrats are afraid of the most at this stage of the campaign. a deadly scene in colorado splings.

a shooting spree killed three people halloween morning. the gunman died in a confrontation with police. leann gregg is there. walk us through what happened just yesterday. >> reporter: richard, this is the location where that violent scene ended on a busy saturday morning near downtown. investigators are trying to figure out what caused the gunman to open fire in at least three different locations. the suspect began his murderous path down the street of a quiet colorado springs neighborhood saturday morning. >> i heard four gunshots louder than any i'd ever heard. >> reporter: police received reports of gunshots and a basement fire in a nearby home where the first victim was found. witnesses say the suspect made his way from the house to the street where he came face-to-face with a woman. out of nowhere, a young man on a bicycle came between them. >> she told me that he had actually saved her life. she had just come out of her house and the gunman was --

looked her dead in the eye. >> reporter: balances say the gunman instead shot the cyclist multiple times killing him. the suspect then shot and killed a third victim before police cornered him a half mile away. >> i saw someone coming from around the corner being chased by the police. that's when they yelled put the gun down. he turned around and that's when they shot him. >> reporter: police say the heavily armed gunman fired several rounds, one shooting out the back wind iow of a police cruiser. officers returned fire, hitting the gunman who later died at the hospital. one neighbor said she never would have expected this. >> he waved and said hello. i would have said hi. i never would have thought there's anything wrong with that man. >> reporter: police are trying to piece together what set this deadly chain in motion. >> we're going to be looking at all pieces of evidence, interviewing multiple witnesses to see what led up to these

events. >> reporter: identities of the victims and of the gunman have not been released. the officers involved in the shooting have been placed on administrative leave. that's a part of the department protocol while the sheriff's department takes over that aspect of the investigation. richard? >> leann, a day later, it just happened in the last 24 hours. has any more pieces of information come about about who this suspect is? >> they are not revealing that. that is what they are working on intensely trying to figure out anyone that knew him, his social networking, any parts of his family, what poessibly could hae caused this. >> leann gregg in colorado springs, thanks. the latest efforts by the u.s. to fight isis. could new infusion of money into that country help more than it did before? it's more than a network.

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new developments in the u.s.-led efforts to fight isis. the u.s. is pledging nearly $100 million in new aid to support syria's opposition. the deputy secretary of state made that announcement at a security conference saturday. and says funding will go towards services like education for syrian children and access to electricity and water. it coincides with peace talks in vienna and a day after the administration's decision to send special ops forces to fight isis in syria. joining me is the former u.s. ambassador to russia. so the latest piece of information here because we were talking about special ops yesterday is this new $100 million in aid. put those two together for us and what it means. >> i think what the administration is trying to signal to the world and to our partners in syria is that we're engaged still in this fight that there's been a lot of attention given to russia lately.

i think they want people to know that we're still trying to support those on the ground that are closer to us, and we're going to continue to fight isis. >> so the $100 million, how will that affect what their plans are when we look at the strategic objectives of the special ops team. the additional 50, if you will, pairs of boots on the ground coupled with that? >> there are two different things. it appears that the special ops will be with the kurds and will be there to try to help them be more effective on the ground. my colleagues in the administration tell me the kurds have been the best fighting forces we've been with, whereas other groups we've supported have not been so effective. the $100 million is more broader spts for largely the arab communities inside syria. the opposition that's trying to control territory on the ground. it will be targeted to different groups. we're trying to support all of those who are against isis and

those against assad as well. >> it's multifactorial in terms of objectives. >> the talks ended without a clear plan. bashar al assad, does he step down and need to sign a peace proposal? where is his role in this? what is this saying of the u.s./russia -- the diplomatic strategy and how well they are working together to get a solution here. >> i always think it's a good idea to engage and to talk and at least know what your interlocketers think. listening to the press conference yesterday we're still very far away from the russians in terms of what a political solution might be. it's the same issue when i was ambassador. geneva one and geneva two with the russians, it's about the fate of assad. russia has intervened in syria to prop up assad. we believe that assad must go.

that's a pretty big gap. one good piece of news. discussion about a cease-fire between assad and moderate opposition forces. if that comes to fruition and happens in a couple of weeks, that would be good for us and people that we're supporting on the ground. >> your experienced eyes on that part of the world as we see russian military there involved and now special ops from the united states. perhaps some sort of conflict resulting from that since they're both in the same arena? would you see an unintended conflict? >> i know people in the obama administration were very worried about that. some of the initial attacks from russian aircraft were against those that we supported. not kurds. i want to be clear about that. they were arab forces but they are the very people we were supporting and there's just no way we can stand by and let that happen and i think that's why you have seen both upping the ante with boots on the ground with our kurdish partners but

also this push for a cease-fire which, in effect is saying, we can no longer bomb the people we're supporting in syria. you have to go after isis in your military campaign. >> going after isis. "the new york times" are saying we're starting to see the impact of russia's military intervention to go to this map. that the governor gains. you can see in the south and east of aleppo. however, isis as you can also see gaining territory in the north, as well, along a road that supplies government fighters. that was on that map there. at what point from your perspeblperspec perspective might these isis gains we're watching, might cause russia to come closer to the united states objectives and to work close with the united states to take care of isis? >> it's hard to say because we don't know what they talked about in vienna. i was struck by the fact that they talked about a cease-fire.

if you go back a couple of weeks earlier, russian aircraft were targeting those folks that we were supporting and the people that were taking advantage of that was isis. not assad. assad in some cases but isis in others. so i think to be cautiously optimistic that maybe secretary kerry and levrov agreed we cannot allow this to happen. there has to be a cease-fire between those forces and, therefore, all fighting has to be focused on isis. so far the russians haven't really been taking the fight to isis yet. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you. i appreciate your time today. >> thanks for having me. a humpback whale tangled in hundreds of feet of rope. coming up, dramatuc pictures as rescuers try to set it free. you can't breathed. through your nose.

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know that this is the bumpy time of a campaign. this is the process. i totally understand it and i'm more than prepared to fight on. >> joining me now is a democratic strat justice and former virginia republican congressman tom davis. congressman, i'll start with you on this. when is it too late for jeb bush to change these optics, whether or not he's able to change himself or the ante as he's been saying? >> there's still a long way to go. you have another debate in ten days. there will be other debates before that. iowa is probably not his bailiwick. he has to turn this around in new hampshire. that's his do or die date. also the march 15th date where he and rubio are head-to-head in florida. winner take all, the second largest chunk of delegates for the republican convention. he's got time. >> he's got time, you're saying. does he have time? let's say he does. let's put that out there. does he have the capability? does he have the skills?

does he have the desire to do this? >> well, he has the financial back chicago is probably the second most important aspect. the congressman is more adept to talk about republicans than i am. he's the candidate i believe as a democrat we fear the most. this guy is qualified. he connects with people. he's good on the stump. he hasn't been performing well but traditionally has done well connecting with folks, particularly on the hispanic side. if he can fight through this process and still have the resources, he'll be formidable when it comes on florida. >> before when he was running for governor, it's a different skill-set. it's gubernatorial as you understand. was the skill set he developed in florida not the same he's been able to jmp out and be national again. big fish, little pond. now little fish, big pond. >> he hadn't been on the ballot in like 13 years or -- i think 2002 was the last time he ran. the base of the republican party has changed.

it's much more blue collar base than it was at that point. i think he's a good general election candidate, but trying to weave through the republican primary at this point, it's a different world for him. and a different world than it was for his brother. he has not made that adaptation yet. you have to get nominated before you can get elected. on friday, on the democratic sides, there were several black lives matters activists that interrupted hillary clinton at an event in south carolina. when we look at that, which candidate there on the left is addressing the black lives matters demands and desires here for their candidates for president? >> i think all candidates have a responsibility to address this organization just as other organizations. i don't think it's surprising or inappropriate for them to heckle hillary clinton because they are not a subsection of her organization. so if they are truly believing

their message, they should stand up and protest at her receptions, her events, at bernie sanders, ao'mallt o'mall and everyone's. if they weren't heckling her, i wouldn't think they were true to their cause. they should get their voices out and make sure every candidate and all the republicans and democrats are addressing the issues that matter. >> which is doing best here, morris? >> i think it's too early to tell. frankly, i think this is a process. what you say ooh the congressman knows this. if you can look at obama. what you say on a campaign trail does not mean the reality of what you'll do in office. i think whoever becomes the nominee, that's when they really need to sit down and get some concrete commitments from them. as a cand daylight, you are just a candidate. when you become a nominee you start to committee and when you become president you have to follow through. >> that does address what we're seeing with the question about

jeb bush. can he be all of those different characters, if you will, all the different requirements that you must take on based on the stages of the candidacy. i also want to stay on the black lives matter for a succeecond h. i want to play chris christie's comment oz the black lives matter movement. >> there's lawlessness. the president encourages thus lawlessness. >> how? >> by his own rhetoric. he does not support the police. he doesn't back up the police. he justifies black lives matter. >> black lives matter shouldn't be justified at all? >> i don't believe that movement should be justified when they are calling for the murder of police officers. >> congressman, what do you think? >> i think for the republican electorate that they're playing with in iowa at this point, new hampshire n otherwise, that's probably a sound rhetoric. the republican nomination process is just not going to include a lot of african-americans. african-americans are basically aligned with the democratic party. general election, it's far different because it's a part of the turnout model.

democrats need a high turnout. republicans don't want to give any reason to empower these folks to come out like they did for obama. they'll have to address this issue. but in a republican nomination process, they are just not relevant and a pretty good target at this point with some of the extreme elements of that group and some of the things they are saying. >> so you agree with chris christie in he saying the president is encouraging this environment? >> i'm not agreeing with chris christie. i'm saying what he's saying is probably smart politics for the nomination process. >> morris? >> chris christie say governor from new jersey. a significant african-american population. he knows better than to say some of the things he's saying. i bill not, and he should not stoop this low. we're talking about primary politics. and that's the problem, frankly with primary process on the right and left. you have to go too far to appeal to the base that controls the basis. chris christie knows better than

this. he's been a good governor of new jersey and has addressed african-americans in that state. i would suspect he'll be automobile to debe able to deal with this. >> thank you both so much. in our next hour, the new focus for president obama this week as he pushes to change the criminal justice system all across the country. for the same price. so five more gigs for the same price? yea, allow me to demonstrate. you like that pretzel? yea. 50% more data for the same price. i like this metaphor. oh, it's even better with funnel cakes. but very sticky. get 15 gigs for the price of 10. and now get $300 credit for every line you switch. now at at&t get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs.

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much people hated them. president obama's plan to send special operations forces to syria got some surprising support today from republican candidate ben carson. >> i think that's a move in the right direction. we clearly need to have those special ops in lots of different areas but certainly in terms of helping to guide what the air force is doing. i think it's a good idea. i actually agree with that. but i think that's only a small part of it. we need to have a much bigger plan when it comes to battling the global jihadists. >> the white house insisted the bulk of u.s. military involvement will continue to be through air activity and insists the mission for the fewer than 50 ground troops to be advise and to assist. let's bring in kevin barron, national security and military analyst and executive editor at defense one. thanks for being with us. i am going to start with this. is the white house using words here, playing a semantic game

because you look at the troops here, in many cases they'll be facing combat situations. >> well, yes, when it comes to is this combat or not combat. the pentagon press corps was relentless with the secretary of defense when they've moved past this. they are already saying this is combat. the last raid that -- in which master sergeant josh wheeler was killed, he was killed in combat. at the white house, they were still dancing around this a little bit. we've not heard from the president yet to say that this is combat. >> why do these semantics matter? >> a couple of reasons. there's a base legal reason. if it's combat, then do we need a new authorization for the use of military force out of congress? also, because i think it's more of the politics of it. the president sold this -- the reinvolvement in iraq and whatever the u.s. is going to do in syria as this -- with no boots on the ground.

that's what he said poll clearly, there are boots on the grond. there always were. this goes back to the original iraq war when combat operations, as they said, were stopped, but there were still thousands of troops there for an entire year under a whole new mission name and they changed the entire brigades from combat action brigades to advise and assist brigades. so this kind of -- these monikers, these names have always been troublesome. finally we're getting to a place we might see the white house and all of the military leaders and national security leaders in this country just get beyond it. >> if we go beyond that here, kevin, and we look at the actual action that's happening on the ground there, russians have already been there militarily for a month. the united states now adding these 50 more special ops, the concern might be here, how do you avoid -- how do you put the rules in place so that there's no unintended conflict as they try to achieve their stated

objectives? although they may be aiming at that, they may have some conflict, unintended or not? >> i think a couple of things. it's only less than 50 guys. that's so small. so it shouldn't be very hard for the russians to stay away from them. i think if any greater confluct, it's if these 50 or less are supposed to be watching over kurds and syrian fighters going after daesh, isis. somehow the locals get in tloubl, the americans are there to help out and are fully within their mission to start fighting. that's the real chance of are they going to get into a fight or not? i think thus group of 50, it's important. it's a new step, but it's not a humongous change of strategy. and it's a little shiny bunny when we already have officials acknowledging that raids like we saw have happened. the secretary of defense said

they will continue. so to me, follow those guys but pay more attention to the fact this is a continuing war on terrorism where special operations forces and secretive missions are very frequent. i'm curious how much we're going to hear about them. how much the administration is going to defend this way of warfare and explain it to the american people. >> how are the optics different to the american people to those in syria and russia? >> well, the optics, it depends who you are. if you are a critic of the administration and you want a much more robust american preference in the middle east, this does nothing. this doesn't come close to what you think america needs. if you are a follower of lindsey graham or someone who has called for 20,000 additional troops, that's what it would take. a full occupation of syria to get back to something new. if you are on the other side, obama or farther left like the bernie sanders crowd perhaps, this is even too much. the fact the u.s. made the

mistake before of getting involved in the middle east and thinking that it was the united states' problem to solve, that it was a military problem and worth american lives and money and influence to be expended. it depends who you are. it doesn't -- i think we'll see the larger outcome will just have to be, when does peace in syria come, and how does it happen? >> so to all of those constituencies, is there a single clear objective that you believe that has been communicated well? >> i think the only thing in common everybody wants is peace in syria. and some sort of settling of the con conflict. that leads to stability. the pentagon only cares most about stability. no matter how you get there dictator or not. right now that's the end state goal. we're seeing a bit of a dual track thing happen with vienna and secretary kerry where diplomatical lie finding a solution that leads to political negotiating table where assad probably has to go, something else happens and takes power.

the other side, the military, they are focusing on isirs, al qaeda, the fight. that's more than syria and iraq. that's the entire middle east, the global war on terror. these are two separate things happening right now. it's -- we're at a hell of a crossroads. >> part of the crossroads, and i mentioned this earlier, that's russian forces being on the ground for about a month. what is not being said about this topic right now? we're looking at what the administration is saying. we're looking at what the russians are saying. is this part of that? just that fact that the russian forces have been here in the syrian conflict before the united states and that's why we're stepping up? >> i think some think the russians forced the hand of the u.s. at some point the u.s. had to say and the obama administration had to say they were doing more than they said before. again, special operations forces operating in the region is not new. this is really more of an admission of what's already happening. but they did have to say,

especially, i should say, after last week, secretary of defense carter said the raids like we saw would continue. you should expect to see more of them. the white house got behind his own leaders. they had to catch up and came up with this statement. debating a way forward in syria. they are waiting for a bigger way forward to come from the administration. the command in baghdad has already sent up the chain their advice for different ways forward. we're waiting to see what happens there. so, yes, russia being there, forces this administration to rethink what it's going to do and what it's going to talk about. >> kerf kevin baron, thank you your time on this sunday. >> you, too. jeb bush on "meet the press" this morning. he promised tock a better candidate. what he can do to actually improve. te to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic...

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new details on the final moments of the russian airliner as the maintenance record of the airline comes under heavy scrutiny. the future of the debates. as the gop prepares for tonight's debate powwow a new format that could take them off tv altogether. >> it's about public service, fixing broken things that i know how to do. >> is he mr. fix-it? jeb bush setting out with a new tour with a new slogan. will it make any difference. from halloween to ho, ho, ho, major retailers swing into the next season and it may pay for you to join them. good sunday to you. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." i'm richard lui in for alex. here's what's happening this hour. to politics and what could be an eventful day in the race for the white house. top campaign advisers for

republicans hoping to be president will gather in washington to discuss the latest debate controversy. dr. ben carson weighed in and offered his alternative. >> i think we should have moderators who are interested in disseminating the information about the candidates as opposed to, you know, gotcha. you did this and you -- defend yourself on that. >> meanwhile, one candidate is making his own behind the scenes adjustment ss. jeb bush is promising voters he's going to up the ante and speaking about how much he admires his father. >> i will be better. and, look, i know i got to get better during the debate. and i am a grinder. i'm going to do what you have to do. this is not debating. whatever it's called. it's certainly not debating. because i can complete a sentence in the english language pretty well, and i have ideas that will lift people up. my focus, and in the debate, i

will change the whole conversation. someone asked me about fantasy football next time, i'll talk about the people i've met that are really worried that they have declining income. they're worried about their children having more opportunities. i love my dad. i'd kill for him. i'd go to prison for him. >> joining me now is heidi pre enter bolla and bob kuzak. heidi, there was clearly the love that jobe bush was showing for his father here. he also promised to be a better candidate. can he be better? he keeps saying he will be. yet we see at least in his debate performances he doesn't seem like he's capable of it. is he? >> the problem for jeb is that he keeps saying these things but fundamentally, the things voters want don't come naturally to him. let me just say, let's all go back. jeb bush, everybody says jeb bush had to go into this debate

and show more fire in the belly and attack. it blew up in his face because it doesn't come naturally to him. he also made a classic miscake of when you attack, be prepared for how the attackee might respond. he wasn't prepared for that. we see this over and over again throughout the campaign. jeb just doesn't fit the profile right now of what the gop voter is looking for. look who is leading in the polls? donald trump. he's the antithesis of jeb bush. jeb bush is more of a wonky, some might say nerdy kind of guy. he's not the bravado-type republican that a lot of gop voters are looking for. he's trying and doing all the things voters say they want to see in their candidates but it doesn't come natural to him. >> bob is it just the wrong tone for right now that maybe the tone that he's talking about,

that he's ready to kill for his father, and i want to ask you about that. did that interview help him in terms of what he needed to say right now? is he saying the wrong things at the right times? >> he has a lot going against him. jeb bush is a conventional candidate in a very unconventional cycle. that doesn't mean he can't win. he's done very poorly in these three debates and wasn't ready for the counter. you have to think that rubio was going to say something and defend himself. he did it very well. rubio and bush are competing in the establishment type of candidate lane. jeb bush was helped maybe by this interview on "meet the press" but overall has a lot of work to do. he's got to be better thinking on his feet. overall, it's been a struggle. it's been a tough summer and tough fall for him. >> i was reading "the hill" this weekend, and you had an article on mary madeleine, the famous conservative strategist and we

equate her with being with the bush family. she said he did very poorly. she actually said i think ted cruz is the right guy right now. so the question might be, has the train already left for jeb bush here, bob? >> it's awfully close. ted cruz has done very well. he's going to definitely win some states in the republican primaries. you can see easily in the first four states, different republicans winning each of them. whether that's rubio, trump, carson, cruz and jeb right now if you look at the polls, he's not doing well. he knows he's not doing well. it's a defining moment for jeb bush. is he done? if he doesn't have a good november, he's definitely done. >> november is what you're putting the line at. i want to move on to what we were talking about earlier. ben carson's statement about his feelings of the past debate and what he'd like to see in the future. he's offering several alternatives. you look at some of those. these are three of the ideas

he's got. what impact will it have on republicans' chances to win the races. he wants it over the internet, not on television, these debates. >> that particular point that you point to there is like a classic request of someone who is a front-runner right now. okay. i'm leading the polls. leet take everything offline. not only will the broader field not respect that, but the media wouldn't as well. i don't think these specific proposals are realistic. what i think this is about, especially the meeting tonight of all the campaigns is to try to get some kind of leverage from the networks going forward. maybe insert a more conservative, like avowedly conservative commentator. but i don't think in terms of carson a specific request that we're going to see that come out of it. remember, the nbc debate isn't necessarily canceled. it's just suspended. what they are doing is using the leverage they got out of the

post-debate coverage where many news articles kind of came in agreement that the gop field kind of turned that debate back around on the moderators. >> bob, what do you think? we've heard heidi's analysis. so much has been said of what might come of tonight's meeting as they try to say this is what we want from our debates. could there be some whiplash here? could, in the end, they look not so well because of them asking for these changes now, bob? >> yeah, i definitely agree with heidi. they have some leverage but they have to watch it about how far they are going to go. these are debates, life is not fair. not everyone gets the same amount of time. you have to deal with reporters. and there are tough questions. i don't think they want to get into a situation where they complain. as far as opening and closing statements, candidates like that. as a journalist, those opening and closing statements are a waste of time because they don't make any news. front-runners don't want a lot

of debates. they are on the top. it's the people toward the bottom that want the debate. >> they don't want to be asked that question that might change that narrative they've been building up. chris christie, let's get his thought in terms of the types of questions that were asked in the last debate and i'll get your reaction. let's listen. >> i'm not one of those guys that's going to sit around and complain about it. if you can't take it on the stage, whether it's fair or inn fair. i thought theres but a lot of unfair stuff. if you can't take it, how are you going to take running against hillary clinton and negotiating for america around the world. i'm not one of the whiners and complainers. it's our job to go up there and perform no matters what the circumstances are. >> do you think nbc should have its debate? >> i think that's up to the rnc. they are the ones organizing this. any debate they put oi'll show up. >> chris christie not at the top so he might show up to any debate. he said you better be ready for

anything. >> there were some inartfully asked questions? yes. were they unfair? no. if you look at previous debates, hillary clinton was asked, will you do anything to get elected. bernie sanders was asked if he himself gives the material for the attack ads. these weren't the questions that you wanted to start out with, but, quite frankly, the one big mistake was the moderators didn't have some of the material to respond back to the candidates. the candidates saw blood in the water and the whole debate went on from there where we saw some very substantive questions, frankly, being skirted by the candidates because the dynamic and the power differential had shifted due to ted cruz's full throated assault on the moderators. so i don't think the questions themselves were necessarily unfair. it was just, when they were asked and it was also that the

candidates all kind of banded together, which we haven't seen in many previous debaits. >> impromptu collusion at that time. bob, to you on this. the democratic strategist last hour saying it's jeb bush the democrats fear the most from the right. who is that candidate that might be feared by the democrats the most? >> well, i think it's jeb bush definitely and it's also marco rubio. we polled a lot of democratic insiders. they says bush number one, rubio number two. so they are nervous about rubio's rise. they're not scared of trump or carson. maybe they should be, but at the moment, they are most scared about marco rubio because he is on top of jeb bush, and he's a young and upcoming star. that hurts him on the republican side because jeb bush portrayed him as a republican obama. >> they may be scared of that republican billionaire standing behind rubio right now.

potentially significant developments out of russia and egypt. both countries are mourning the loss of 224 people who died when a russian plane crashed in egypt's sinai peninsula saturday. investigators are scouring the crash site for clues as to what brought down the airbus a321. the flight data recorders have been recovered and are being evaluated. bill neely is in cairo for us. what have investigators learned so far? >> good afternoon. 224 dead, no survivors, and nobody knows why. the investigators are looking for clues in two ways. number one at the crash site. the big news today was that a russian aviation expert who was at that site said that the plane undoubtedly broke up in midair. the tail was found three miles from the nose. many of the bodies were strewn around a huge area. a 3-year-old girl was found four miles from the main wreckage.

nobody survived. the second way they will gain clues is from the two black box flight recorders that were recovered from the debris and here in cairo today, those flight recorders which are in good condition were opened up and the analysis of those has begun. no word on any of the clues that they might yield. the search at the site has been widened. there are now more than 70 russian investigators searching for clues amid the debris and searching for bodies. also involved are the ntsb from the united states because the engines were made in america. also french investigators because the plane was manufactured by airbus. german investigators involved as well. so this is a multinational operation. egypt's president says it will take a long time, maybe months, before this complicated investigation reaches any conclusions. in russia, it's a day of

national mourning. it's national tragedy. many russians have lingering suspicions that maybe this plane was shot down. there is absolutely no evidence of that at the moment. none of the militant group or terrorist groups operating in egypt have the capability of shooting down a plane at 31,000 feet. in russia, suspicion remains. here in cairo, no clues yet as to why the plane came down and why 224 people died. back to you, richard. >> just after 8:00 p.m. in cairo. bill neely, thanks for the latest on that. u.s. boots on the ground in syria. secretary of state john kerry says special ops will only fight isis here but will not rule out future u.s. involvement? bill richardson joins us on that. t i really love it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals,

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money and troops all headed overseas to fight isis. the u.s. this week pledging nearly $100 million to support syria's opposition forces. the announcement yesterday came on the heels of news that the government will also send special op forces to fight isis in syria. this morning presidential hopefuls like carly fiorina were quick to pounce on the administration's announcement. >> it's a bit too little, too late. all of us who know anything about it have known you cannot have a successful bombing campaign unless you have special operations troops on the ground helping to direct that campaign. president obama hasn't been willing to do that for political purposes. it's also true that hie has no strategy in syria. >> joining me is former new mexico governor bill richardson. also former ambassador to the u.n. and msnbc contributor. thank you for being here as always, governor. you heard carly fiorina's response here. what's your thought? >> well, my thought is that she

doesn't know national security. those that want a coherent strategy, what that means for them is troops on the ground. american troops on the ground. look what tony blair said about the invasion in iraq. it might have created isis. the american people don't want troops on the ground. you have to adjust to a rapidly changing situation. i agree the administration is right. put a limited tactical force of 50 trainers, concentrate on northern syria, help the rebel fighters that are good fighters like the kurds. admittedly, the rebel training that happened where we put all that money did not work. and you're adjusting to a very rapidly changing situation. the russians weren't involved before isis is moving around. the turks are all over the place. i think the administration's strategy targeted tactical makes sense right now. >> tactical and then let's talk

about the $100 million pledged. when you look at the hearts and minds that are definitely parts of the battle on the ground in syria as well as around the world, what do you make of that infusion of all of that money? >> well, i think it's a sign to our allies, especially the saudis. those that have been doubtful about the iran deal that we made, that have enormous stakes in the region, that were serious about going after isis, that we are also, like the saudis, serious about want assad out, although that may be very difficult. so it's also for resources that are needed but it's also symbolic for the gulf states, for the turks that we are serious. that we're putting ground troops that simply train. that's it. we have 3500 iraqi trainers, american men and women that are

there. so we're serious with our commitment. and so it's an effort to broaden the coalition which is 65 countries. we want the saudis and others to help with the combat operations more than they have. so i think it's the right move. i personally think that eventually we're going to need a no-fly zone but i think the administration right now is hesitant on that because of the potential of the russian confligeration with them. but i think we've got to recognize this is a rapidly evolving tactical change that makes sense. and that's all you can do. >> how would you see this no fly zone working? >> well, i think you have to be very careful, obviously. the good thing is that the russians are participating right now in negotiations. you can't always trust them, but i think that makes sense. i think the saudis, i saw the

saudi foreign minister make a supportive statement of the 50 trainers and also the $100 million. obviously, we've got to coordinate with our allies in the region to make sure it works. but it is risky. this is a risky operation. but i think eventually what the administration is doing is looking where the results are working. if they don't work like these rebel forces train, they admitted it, you move on to the trainers. move on to more resources. you shift the northern syria where i think the problem is, and you try to help the kurds. they're the best fighters there. >> as a former ambassador to the u.n., you understand the negotiations, which you are just alluding to and the coordination that must happen. do you have any concern given your experience that there may be some unintended conflict between the russian forces which have been there for at least a month and the new u.s. forces that's will be on the ground?

>> well, yeah. there's a concern there. but this is why you have to coordinate. i think the good news is iran, and i don't trust the iranians. i had reservations about this iranian deal. they're going to participate in the syrian negotiations. now, they're not on our side. but if we're going to get rid of assad or move him to a transition government, you need the syrians, you need the turks. you need the americans. you need the coalition partners. you need a whole range of players. russia and iran. bo otherwise, it's not going to work. they are a risk but eventually a peaceful settlement, a transition, negotiated by the turks by the syrians, by the united states, by all the players involved is the ultimate best solution to downgrade isis and to bring some kind of stability to the region. and admittedly, that's not going

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when they arrived to that scene, they exchanged gunfire with the gunman and then killed him. leann gregg is in colorado springs with the latest for us. what do we know? >> reporter: richard, they are investigating today any possible connections to the gunman. they're talking to witnesses trying to figure out what they have been the motive. they want to know if he knew any of his victims. a lot of work in that regard. it started with reports of shots fired at a home and a report of a fire in the basement of that home early saturday morning. authorities found the first victim there. a second victim was in the street. witnesses say it was a young man, possibly even a teenager on a bicycle. the witness said the gunman turned around and shot the boy and that he asked him why are you doing this? then he was shot three more times and was killed. the gunman moved on. a couple of blocks farther and claimed his third victim, a

woman, before he ended up in this location where authorities cornered him. a witness described what happened. >> i saw someone come from around the corner being chased by the police and that's when they yelled put the gun down. and he turned around and that's when they shot him. >> the gunman died later at a hospital. his identity has not been revealed. the names of the victims also have not been released. richard? >> leann, were they able to put together any commonality in who the victims were? >> that has not been revealed yet. they have said very little about this case. and no news conferences planned for today. in fact, they want to perform the autopsy on the gunman before his name is even released. and that likely won't happen today as well. leanne gregg, thank you in colorado springs with the latest -- that tragedy.

new here theories on what happened to that russian airliner that crashed on the sinai peninsula. all 224 died in that crash. they are scouring the scene for clues. the plane's flight recorders have been recovered. let's bring in aviation jay rollins. jay, what we have today that we didn't have yesterday, at least for us in the public, not involved in the investigation, we've got the pictures. we have the understanding of how wide the debris field is. and it could be 12 square miles or even more. what are your impressions from what we've learned in the last 24 hours? >> well, mostly that we don't know enough. i'm looking forward to what the black boxes tell us. thankfully they found them both. this was flat terrain where they didn't have to search and hunt and go under water. we have them. they are reading them out, and

we will get answers from that. because so far we've been relying on sort of secondary information like the information from the consumer site flight aware that gives you some notion of speed and telemetry but it's not precise enough. >> but if we had a square -- going back to the debris field for a second, if i can. if it's 12 square miles or more versus one square mile, what might that be telling investigators at this very early stage? >> well, just as much as how large the debris field is would be, does it go in one direction, or is it pretty rounded? when it tends to be rounded, you suppose the aircraft came fairly straight down. when it spread across in a certain direction, then that indicates the plane came in at something of an angle. so that will tell a lot about whether it came down in pieces

or whether it was actually flying as it approached the ground. >> seen the reports that the pilot radioed and said that there were some technical difficulties. asked for clearance to land before controllers lost contact with that plane. there's that communication, which we'll find out more as investigators look into the black boxes, and then those black boxes also having hundreds of key data points. what are you looking for in those data recorders that you were describing earlier? >> before we leave the subject of the investigation, saying that they are getting this information off of the telemetry, the flight aware information only gives limited information. that would be speed, but it doesn't tell us if the aircraft came apart in flight. the business about whether the pilot actually called in, that's even in debate. i've read that the prime

minister or civil aviation director is saying there was no such call. so we've got to hear the tapes. we need to see the egyptian radar to find out what that aircraft was doing, whether it was whole or not. >> thankfully they found them, quickly, and this is good for the families as they try to move to closure. jay rollins, thanks for your time. tomorrow the president hits the road to make his case that the criminal justice system is broken. kristen welker has more on that from the white house. good to see you. where is the president taking his message? >> the president is heading to newark, new jersey, and his trip will include a visit to a treatment facility that helps adults get back on their feet and also a roundtable at rutgers university. criminal justice is increasingly a central focus for president obama and a contentious issue across the country. president obama visits newark, new jersey, tomorrow. prison reform will be his

rallying cry. getting ex-cons back to work. the president arguing in his wookly address having millions of ex-offenders out of work is bad for the country and the economy. >> everyone has a role to play from businesses that are hiring ex-offenders to philanthropies supporting education and training programs. >> reporter: today more than 2 million people are behind bars costing tens of billions of dollars. >> that's not a sustainable situation. >> reporter: this past beak the president spoke to police officers in his hometown of chicago about reduced mandatory accompliceon sentences for nonviolent offenders. >> it's possible for us to come up with strategies that effectively reduce the damage of the drug trade without relying solely on incarceration. >> reporter: he also praised bipartisan legislation moving through congress that would decrease sentences. earlier this year, mr. obama became the first sitting president to visit a prison, talking to inmates as part of a

slice special that aired on hbo. >> i did a lot of stupid stuff when i was young. i was just in an environment where you could afford to make some mistakes. >> reporter: the president speaking very personally there. last year the president established my brother's keeper. that's an initiative aimed at making sure young men of color have more opportunities. this is clearly a key legacy issue for this president and white house officials say continue expect him to continue working on this once he leaves office. richard? >> kristen welker at the white house, thanks. suddenly it's looking, don't get mad at me for saying this. it's looking a lot more like christmas. i'm saying christmas. probably the furst time you've heard it. christmas. creep accelerate, next. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪

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that and feel that vulnerability. >> it's difficult to watch for many. as we are showing earlier for context. we had a guest yesterday talking about this, mark, from an organization that trains school officers across the country. i want you to listen to what she said and i want to get your reaction. >> on average, 1% of officer recruit time in the academy is spent on training officers how to deal with juveniles. and about 90% of that time, in other words, less than six hours, is spent on juvenile law, not on how to communicate effectively with youth or how to de-escalate situations or avoid use of force. >> what's your thought on the issue of training and what she says. what needs to change? >> i believe and our organization firmly believes there needs to be a review. it's significant we deal with the standards in the profession

of law enforcement, and that includes, of course, really revamping and modernizing training manages and tactics in a lot of the subject matter that law enforcement agencies, police in particular, are trained on. it's time to move into the 21st century and to clearly define what law enforcement model will lead us forward. will it be community policing which has been abandoned in large part or a stronger enforcement, more militarized confrontational style of law enforcement, and to examine one of those two options and determine what will be best moving forward. i think we can't continue to continue this path of just super hyperaggressiveness and what's really sad, it seems the civilian population, those outside of law enforcement, have gotten to the point where they expect it accept it and condone a lot of activity that should be considered unprofessional and below professional standards for law enforcement. >> mark claxton, thank you so much, director with black law

enforcement alliance. appreciate your time today. believe it or not, the holiday shopping rush is on already. starting today, places like walmart are continuing the trend of an early season sales kickoff. kristen dahlgren has that story for us. >> reporter: halloween. it's so yesterday. today the nation's largest retailers are moving on. all the way to christmas. it may only be november 1st, but they are making no apologies. walmart putting out these online ads to show halloween is over and the christmas shopping season has officially begun. in stores, sales start today. walmart offering discounts on thousands of items like toys and electronics. target taking aim at walmart planning on online price matching and free shipping and returns. as well as its own holiday marketing movie. >> let me holidays begin.

>> reporter: the whole nature of shopping has changed. the earlier they start, the more they'll be able to get those people in the stores and online shopping. >> the next two months account for 20% of the retail industry's annual sales. getting those dollars drives competition into high gear. some stores are also offering in-store pick-up, even curbside service for merchandise bought online. whatever it takes to get shoppers to spend. how do shoppers feel about christmas in november? for some, it's a gift. >> i think that when you start early, people come out early and it's less people in the streets closer to christmas. >> reporter: but for others -- >> november 1st? that's absolutely madness. how many people are you shopping for? luke a whole platoon? >> reporter: the christmas creep has them just a little creeped out. >> it's too early to think about what i want for christmas. >> so now you have heard christmas for the first time this year. that was kristen dahlgren

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well just a few hours away from a closed-door meeting scheduled to take place in washington, top campaign aides of gop campaign hopefuls dissecting the debate. meanwhile, jeb bush is looking to help his flounderings campaign. >> reporter: fresh off a cattle call in iowa, fed up campaigns will meet in washington today to air complaints about their deba debates. the frustration, now a new talking point on the trail. >> what a train wreck. >> if you have never voted in a republican primary in your life, you don't get to moderate a republican primary debate. >> reporter: and while ted cruz

is on the hunt in iowa, it's jeb bush aiming to hit his next target -- a better standing in this race, looking newly fired up, focusing on the positive. >> we need to unite not just conservatives but all of us around the belief that we can fix these things. >> set to start a "jeb can fix it tour," he remains dogged by questions about whether he can fix his campaign after stagnating at single digits. now, in an exclusive sit-down with chuck todd, he denies having seen the leaked memo circulated by his staff that included attacks against marco rubi rubio. >> you don't know this memo? >> i read about it when it was leaked for sure. >> is this something you want your campaign involved with? >> i want them to focus on winning new hampshire, winning south carolina, winning iowa, winning nevada. that's our first mission. i'm campaigning here. >> reporter: bush, far behind front-runners trump and carson and trailing rubio, too, who's riding high, swarmed by supporters after his

well-received debate performance. two fellow floridians hoping to build more momentum and the candidate who says he can fix it now fighting for it. nbc news, des moines, iowa. >> joining us now is larry sabato, director of the university of virginia center for politics. we spent a lot of time there talking about jeb bush. arguably, as you know so well, having the bona fides in terms of political names, in terms of recognition coming into this race he had the large war chest earlier on, then we see this very large freefall. when you look at his pathway back, is there one and is there somebody that you would look back in recent history that has been able to do that? >> [ muted ] after all, a third bush within a very limited time period is unprecedented in american history. so this is kind of a special case and we'll all find out together but the bad news for bush is that in every single

republican debate so far he's done between poorly and horribly. the good news for jeb bush is there are loads more debates and i suppose he can improve his performance. i'm sure they're working on it. so that's really the situation with jeb bush. it's clear he's got a steep uphill climb if he is, in fact, going to end up as the nominee. >> do you believe when we watch at least those who are moving, and one is paul singer over the week end that is behind marco rubio not going for jeb bush, that's a big deal because he being a billionaire out of new york city, also we showed allison talking about going for marco rubio. we're looking at trouble economically when we look at the budgets and bank accounts for the jeb bush campaign and you have mary matalin who one might think as a conservative strategist and, if you will, a friend of the bush family and the two earlier administrations saying i can't believe what jeb

bush did during that debate. he is not knshowing what i thin will be a winner and she's moving her chips into a marco rubio/ted cruz space. is he losing the talent, too? is he not only losing the money and at least in the polls the support for him and how key is a that talent loss? >> if you ever doubt debates matter, at least with a certain elite like donor, just remember paul singer who's not just wealthy, it's the fact that he's got a network of people who will give with him, will give hard dollars to the campaign and those dollars that are hard are so much more valuable than the money the super pac has. how did he decide. he has been waivering and i think leaning to bush at one point he'd been going back and forth, the bush people thought they had a good chance to get him. he watched the debate, that's how he made up his mind. so that last performance by jeb bush was very, very costly in lots of ways. >> who's in position, you

believe, that could be able to go all the way? >> well, you know, you have to say that with trump and carson they've continued to do far better than almost all of the leaders in the republican party had predicted privately. many of us talked to them to see what they're thinking and they thought by now trump and carson would have faded. they haven't. but if you're going to look beyond them, you have to look at marco rubio and ted cruz probably more than anyone else. but we'll see. there's a debate every month, every couple of weeks something happens so it's a crazy process and there's a long way to go. >> 15 seconds, what do you think of the internet air debates that ben carson wants? way to go or not? >> it's not going to happen. the republican candidates can't agree on what they want and that will be their problem. >> larry sabato, thank you. >> thanks, richard. that wraps up this sunday edition of "weekends with alex

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