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follow "lockup" producers 22:00:13 and crews as they go behind the 22:00:14 walls of america's prisons and 22:00:16 jails for the scenes you've 22:00:17 never seen. most of the inmates we meet inside county jails are only accused of crimes and are awaiting trial at the resolution
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of their cases, but others are convicted and awaiting 22:00:41 prison. he was awaiting sentencing for the brutal strangulation murder of his former girlfriend. he held little back when he described the murder in cold-blooded terms. >> apparent suicide attempt. >> he is one of the most
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dangerous inmates we dealt with here.
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>> new bar of soap. boom, there's the reveal of a razor blade in this bar of soap.
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>> somebody acted stupid. i wasn't going to use it on myself. >> what do you mean? >> fight with someone. you do that. easily put it on the end of a spoon. it's not hard. that's it. the razor is going to other. >> it looked perfect. >> i had a lot of time. i dug into it.
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>> for me, i felt responsible. he was upset with me. i explained. i's not going to let you hurt somebody else or hurt yourself in a bad moment. in david's case, it's an admitted murderer. obviously, i would not keep that secret. >> because officers did not see the razor blade prior to him
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flushing it -- jail administrators did not take further action against him but said they would check his soap and other items more frequently. goodell was not done surprising us. >> 7:00. >> thank you. >> david and i are friends. i'm kind of like a mother to him. i see him almost like a son. i see a very different david than the david who committed the crime. >> coming up -- the woman who took david goodell under her wing at first. >> i noticed the door open. one of my best friends from high school mother walked in. his brother walked in right after. >> covering the sentencing of a convicted murderer, a field team member discovers a shock personal connection to the case.
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>> some of the most difficult stories are those involving inmates who committed murder. we are very careful how we tell these stories. being sensitive to the friends and families of the victims. >> we were surprised to encounter one particular surprising family member of a murder victim. >> two years i got a call from the coroner's office telling me my brother passed away.
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i decided against that. >> near the end of our shoot in
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louisville, officer bishop would get a sense of justice when he and his family appeared in court for hall's sentencing. that moment a member of our production crew realized he had a personal connection to the bishop family. >> a very dear childhood friend of his happened to be the son of dennis hall's murder victim.
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>> jeffrey bishop's sons were two of my really good friends. >> this has never happened before to us. we've seen other connections between inmates and staff and what have you. to have a member of our crew connected to a murderer we've been profiling through the victim's family was shocking to me. they walked in and my heart sank. >> he didn't make the connection
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it was his friend's family related to one of his close friends growing up. officer bishop remembered jeremy growing up. being a part of their lives. >> jeremy was there. >> i knew we had more to tim. he assured me he was fine. he was great, very professional.
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>> really nice. good people. they treat you like a human being instead of an inmate. >> what's going on with the cancer? >> i think it's going away. i used to have a big knot. it's all gone. >> what treatment would you have on the street versus here? >> i don't know. i don't know they would have treated me or not. if they would have took me as a patient with no money. >> had he not come to jail, he could very well have died from this cancer.
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it was only because he was in jail he could have gotten treatment. the irony is dennis hall took a life and that saved his life. >> maybe it did save my life coming to jail. we'll see. >> in hackensack, new jersey, the story of an another convicted murderer would take unexpected terms. that coo lead to pretty compelling stories on the
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inside. david goodell was no exception. >> she was in a car. that was 23 days before the homicide. >> david kept pictures in his cell of the woman he admitted to tormenting and strangling to death, his former girlfriend viviana. >> sometimes if i get a messed-up daughter, i would like to remember her in a happier sense. you know? i miss her, but you know, what happened happened. that's what it is. >> goodell never expressed remorse in any of our interviews with him. another roommate was broken up over the murder. he was supposed to have seen viviana the night she was killed. >> the only thing i have left is in prayer card. i went to the wake.
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it was pretty upsetting to me. i couldn't even go in the whole way. i was in far in the back of the line. when i seen her face, i broke down in tears. i ran out of there. every time i look at it, i feel like i want to cry. i hold it in and i pray. my exact saying to her was you still want to chill tonight? she said, i can't. i'm not around with a sad face. i didn't ask, are you all right or what was going on. that's why i kind of felt like it was my fault. i felt like i should have asked. i didn't think nothing of it. >> word spreads fast in the jail. people know who we are feeling. i'm sure word got back we are feeling david goodell. he showed us the prayer card.
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proved to us they did have a real personal relationship. not everybody would have a prayer card inside a cell. you're allowed so few things. it must have meant a lot to him. >> he says he never met good request he'll and they were housed in separate units. he did once see goodell in the jail from a distance. >> the way viviana described david to me, he was a big tough guy. he didn't seem as tough a guy to me. i didn't see him hurting nothing, not even a fly. he was like a mouse to an elephant. david is a coward. he's a piece of [ bleep ]. he was wrong for what he did. >> not everyone would agree with his description of goodell. coming up, david goodell gets a visit from the mother of a former girlfriend. >> swung on me and we got in a
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fight. picked up a hammer and hit him six times in the head. >> a chilling account of murder and the woman who falls in love with him. sure, tv has evolved over the years.
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the first day inside a jail prison is daunting. >> we are the msnbc "lock-up" show. perhaps you heard of us. >> they are tasked finding stories and issues to cover. often from among thousands of inmates. >> 34-year-old ryan miller stood out from the crowd. we like to film people's tattoos. brian asked if we can do a tattoo tour? >> i've got a lot of clowns.
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my back represents the lion's fearless. >> ryan was a big guy. a really big guy. he was very pleasant with us. always smiling. there was a softness about him despite his large frame. how long did it take to get all that? >> a few weeks total. about three weeks. >> miller was facing serious charges. including aggravated murder, robbery and offenses against a human corpse. he spoke openly about the grisly manner in which he took another man's life. >> the second he told me a hammer was used as a murder weapon, i thought this is going to be an interesting story. >> miller says he acted in self-defense when he and a friend got into an argument over money. >> he swung on me.
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we got to a fight. hit him about six times in the head. i didn't feel or think anything at the time. just hit him. bang, bang, bang. it was just like, that was it. >> how did a human being get to a point to commit an act that atrocious and not seem remorse about it? >> there was a hell in the top of his head about the size of a grapefruit. like the skull went in the blood, like it turned into liquid. it was weird. just like the movies. no different from the movies, you know? if that helps any. >> it's hard not to visualize
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that moment and wonder what that man suffered and how he suffered. on the other hand, i want to understand, this person is of my species. what could drive somebody to a point i personally can't imagine. it happens and happens with great frequency. >> i clean up the blood and put him in the truck and parked it. that's when i went to stay with my son's mother. >> i look at the truck. my son's mom and my son walking into school. i look at it. >> the fact he is pass buying the decomposing body of his
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victim on a daily basis, how that didn't drive him insane, i'll never know. that was intriguing to me. >> police track miller to the home of a friend where he had been staying. >> i took him to the car. we got to the car. he said where's the body? in the back seat. >> to try to prevent it in the four-on-t future. what would prevent you from doing it again. >> it's fascinating you have no remorse from taking a life. what about his family. people who love him or care about him? >> i mean, sorry about the blood.
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>> miller developed a relationship with someone he had known from the outside. >> i'm involved with a woman. she helps me keep my spirits up. keep a smile on my face. she puts money on my books to help me. that way i cannot go without. >> these are cards my girl sends me. i read it and put it up along here. just get to look at them all the time. that way i know somebody thinking about me. somebody loves me. judge, we were interested to meet the woman. a short time later we would when deanna was booked in the jail. >> knew nobody would talk to him because of his charges. i knew he was pretty much alone. i started writing to him. he was writing back. i don't know. we fell in love.
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like instantly. >> ain't nothing going to happen to that relationship. that's my baby. whether i get life. >> just thinking of you always, my sweet lady. he's not a mean person. he's like a teddy bear. i know what his charges are and i imagine what people think about him. i know that's not him. what happened, it was like a fight that went too far. the guy ended up dying from it. next thing i know, ryan's in jail. i only know what he tells me. >> is that what he told you? >> for the most part, yes. yeah. i read his court docket. i know what they say happened. i believe him. >> turner says she's been to
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jail more than a dozen times for crimes she committed to support a heroin addiction. she was back in jail violating probation on prior quicks of forgery and receiving stolen property. she turned herself into police at miller's urgeurge e eurgerin. >> he told me you need too get it taken care of. go do it. i took him about two weeks to talk me into it. i finally agreed. i saw him one last time. i turned myself in after that. if it wasn't for ryan, i would not be sitting in jail. i'd be running. i would not have turned myself in and not have stopped using. i did it for him. for ryan. >> turner was eligible for up to 18 months in state prison violating probation. if found guilty, miller is facing the prospect of life in
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pris prison. he held out hope for the relationship. >> came this far. knowing what's going to happen. >> i would probably be heartbroken if he got life without parole because i know then he would never come home. ever. but i still love him. >> for emotional reasons, financial reasons, psychological reasons, it's always to an inmate's advantage to have an outside connection this woman was not going anywhere. she made it clear she was going to stand by his side. that's something i'm sure appealed to him. >> i never felt like this about anybody before. i can't get him out of my mind. he's constantly, i think about him all -- 24/7. i want to see him. he's right here.
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so much floors up. i still can't see him. it's driving me nuts. >> ryan miller was later found guilty and sentenced to 37 years to life. deanna turner returned to prison for seven months for her probation violation and was released. 2 1/2 years after our final shoot with turner, she was out of prison and told us her relationship was continuing and they planned to marry. coming up -- >> nobody understands. >> they never will. that's okay. >> the woman who made a special connection with david goodell. the dog who made a special connection with our production team. no. in the basement. why can't we just get in the running car? are you crazy? let's hide behind the chainsaws. smart. yeah. ok. if you're in a horror movie, you make poor decisions. it's what you do.
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during our extended stay shoot in hackensack, new jersey. david goodell was considered a dangerous and manipulative inmate. the only time he showed any regret killing his 21-year-old former girlfriend was when he was meeting with the case manager to prepare for his sentencing hearing in which he was facing anywhere from 30 to that years in prison. >> even then he admitted it was all for show. >> my plea is open from 35 to 45. if there is any way i can weesle my way out of a year or two? it's worth it. if it doesn't work out, i tried. >> we met someone else with an entirely different opinion of david. judy is the mother of a woman goodell used to date.
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>> i've become his advocate/surrogate mother. i'm here to visit him. what did you do to yourself? >> what due mean? >> you have no hair. you look different. >> you look good. >> thank you. i try to come every week. he'll call me sometimes more than once a day when he's freaking out about something. i can talk him down easily. >> what happened with your face? >> i had a beard. >> now you're bald. not very becoming. don't do the bald thing again. >> all right. >> makes you look more like a criminal. >> really? >> because i knew david from filming with him, and i truly felt he was not only an insincere person, he was, remained a dangerous person. i was really eager to try to figure out what judy saw in
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david to allow for this friendship? she is unwavering in her support. >> he briefly dated her daughter. when she heard about the murder and his arrest, she had a deep emotional reaction. >> i did not know why this was happening. what is not close to david. the end result was i determined i was meant to get in contact with him, which is what i did. >> first, judy wrote to goodell, then began to visit. >> my daughter is not approving of my relationship with david. it has caused much discourse between us. i know what he did. i don't condone it. i don't accept it. it's just part of him that i don't know. david and i have a connection. i don't know how it got there. i can't begin to explain it.
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there is a spiritual connection between david and i. i am very spiritual and have a deep faith. that brought me to david. i will not turn back on my faith nor turn my back on david. >> like my best friend. like a mother/friend figure. she is a lot older than me. her presence with me is comforting. >> nobody understands us. >> nobody. whatever. >> they never will. that's okay. judge, most people don't understand themselves. i haven't had a relationship like that. it's good. healthy. it works for me. >> no more tattoos on your face. >> two. >> no. come on, david. you look like a freak. >> she's been there from day one. some of my own friends haven't been there because of the severity of the crime. they knew my girlfriend. people got excuses. >> goodell told judy about his interviews with lock-up. >> what is honest about the
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situation and how i felt about it. it's like, what am i going to do? you want me to lie to you? not going to do that. there is nothing nice about murder. >> no. there is a lot of nice about you, david. you could have shown those parts. he told me very explicitly what happened. almost too explicitly. i told him, enough. i don't want to hear the specifics. >> he qualifies a as a sociopath. >> that's interesting. to me, i see compassion in him. i'm not denying his acts make him appear that way. i give him commissary money, maybe $200 a month. i'll put money on the phone, maybe $50. it's not a hardship for me. i's what i'll do as long as i'm able to do it. >> when you look at yourself,
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who do you see? who do you see? >> i see a guy -- i see a good person with a [ bleep ] background. i went through a lot of [ bleep ]. am i happy with who i am? absolutely. did i do something i shouldn't have done? of course. >> you can justify it in your head. you do. >> absolutely. is that normal? no. >> that's the part we will never, ever come to agreement on. i can't understand that. >> that's part of the street life, the loyalty thing. >> we are from different worlds. i can never accept that. i can't accept what you did unconditionally. >> i know that. >> a lot of the women i meet with these relationships with inmates, i see another side of
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him. i can see that tough exterior. they always feel they told that special key, that certain key to that person's real heart, which they feel is a good heart. but inevitably, i think, that person will show his real self. in the case of david goodell, even though he told us and said on camera, i'm a good person, he's not. that doesn't mean he might not have a couple of good qualities. at the end of the day he calculated a murder and committed a murder and still feels justified in that murder. i believe he would do it again, frankly, if he were out. >> do i love her? absolutely. got a lot of love for her. >> loved ones in your life paid a high price for how you perceived your trust to be portrayed, right? did anything bad happen to judy?
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>> never. never. she's never done anything but be there for me. >> yet. if something changed in her life and she was unable to maintain this relationship, would it be a betrayal to you? >> no. whatever she does, i would trust she does for a good reason. she's never shown me anything different. there is a different set of rules for people in the street and good law-abiding citizens. like some old lady witnesses a crime out her window. she is not in the streets. she is not snitches, that doesn't apply to her. somebody else in that life and knows about that life and know what they're into, it's a whole different set of rules. >> i extremely believe i will be here with david in some way until the day i die. >> you are going to call me later? all right. i won't see you till next week. all right.
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bye-bye. >> bye. >> do you love david? >> yes. i would have to say on some level, yes, i do love david. more from a, i guess more of a maternal love than anything else. >> coming up, in the bleak world of jail, a very different sort of relationship forms. one between a cameraman and a canine. amerivest selects the funds and manages your portfolio.
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some of lockup's most compelling stories revolve around the relationships that form both inside and outside the walls. in order to capture them, our field team develops relationships as well. and for director of photography brian kelly, some of those have a way of following him home. chatham county detention center in georgia.
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the in you hope program allows inmates with no violent charges to work with animals from the humane society at risk of being euthanized. for 30 days, they live with and train the dogs to become fit for adoption. >> good boy. good boy. >> good girl. >> reporter: it was interesting to me to watch these inmates working with these dogs. and seeing the satisfaction that they were getting from being part of this program. >> you know, just makes the time go easier. someone to play with, train. >> my opinion, therapeutically, i think it was incredibly valuable. because it's like they're giving back. it's their -- they're worth something. it was something that was fun to shoot. it wasn't like being in, you know, one of the units, where people are yelling and complaining. it was actually quite the opposite. it was people, you know,
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speaking in very high-pitched voices to dogs. >> one of the biggest challenges for me as the field producer was to kind of corral my crew and get everybody together. because everybody wanted to go and pet the dogs, or play with the dogs. and i can't tell you how many times i looked over and saw brian's camera on the ground, and he's over there petting the dog instead of filming the dog. >> everybody, attention. >> good job. >> jake was just as guilty as the rest of us. he questioned my professionalism, doing my job. by putting the camera down? that doesn't happen. >> a beautiful dog. >> oh, yes. >> right away, brian seemed to start a relationship with one of the dogs. >> it started off as a joke,
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given the fact that you adopt a cat from a prison. >> in alabama, we told the story of fluffy. a stray cat the inmates fed, and the officers continually tried to remove from the grounds. fluffy had a litter of kittens at the prison. and brian decided to take one home to his family in california. he named it doc, an acronym for the department of corrections. in savannah, a mixed breed puppy was being trained by darrell. and before long, truvy had brian thinking about adopting a big sister for doc. >> why do you like this dog so much? >> i don't know. i have no idea. >> there was a connection, when i would come into the housing unit. she would come up to me. >> see the camera looking at you? >> it wasn't long into our time at the dog program where it
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became clear that brian was going to adopt trudy. he really bonded with her. i don't think there was any question in their minds that she was coming home with us on one of the flights. >> my family and i absolutely talked about getting a dog at one point. so i sent them some photos, and described the dog to a tee. and they ended up trusting me. >> when i told darrell that i was going to adopt truvy, he was happy to see her get adopted out, for sure. >> how can i help y'all? >> i'm here to adopt truvy. >> excellent. >> i adopted this dog, truvy, are soon to be changed to, possibly ruby. >> did you know right away that you were going to adopt this dog? >> no. no. i actually tried to talk myself out of it quite a bit, actually. but she seems like a really, really good dog.
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>> i wish i could adopt you. >> i'm not really nervous. i mean, not nervous. but just a little apprehensive, because it's a big commitment, you know? hey, there she is. what's up? >> are you surprised that a member of the crew is adopting one of the dogs? >> i mean, i am surprised. i didn't actually think he was going to do it, that's for sure. >> she's going to california. >> who wouldn't like california. >> true. >> truvy was a pretty well-behaved dog, so she wasn't an issue of packing up or anything. more of the issue was the airline and figuring out how to deal with all of the equipment
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on top of this animal that we were bringing back with us. truvy was pretty chill throughout the whole thing. >> we actually renamed truvy for ruby, for ruby tuesday after the rolling stones song. she's been an outstanding dog. but doc is a prison cat. doc kind of rules the house, for sure. he doesn't have a lot of patience for ruby. ruby loves to play. ruby wants to get in doc's face, and just kind of rough house with doc. but doc wants nothing to do with her. doc just -- you can tell on his face, he just doesn't have time. he doesn't have time for this dog, you know? but ruby is an amazing dog. and, you know, from the minute i met her, i kind of felt like, you know, she would be a good fit for the family.
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